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Health Is Wealth: John Hope Bryant & Dr. Sanjay Gupta On The Science Of Living Better · Money And Wealth With John Hope Bryant

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Speaker 1: Welcome The Money in Wealth with John hob Bryant, a
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Speaker 1: John Hope Bryant, And this is the Money in Wealth
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Speaker 2: And when most of you.
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Speaker 1: Know I ramble on every week myself sorted my ministry
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Speaker 1: of finance, trying to dump mine into your head and
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Speaker 1: then your body and your soul to get you positioned
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Speaker 1: from the streets to the suites, and to help to
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Speaker 1: understand the suites that they need the streets, and that
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Speaker 1: we are in a ecosystem. This is my new book,
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Speaker 1: Capitalism for All that depends on everybody getting the memo.
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Speaker 1: When I bring a guest on, you can count on
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Speaker 1: the fact that they're extraordinary, singular and special. That is
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Speaker 1: certainly the case today with my dear friend, doctor Sanjay Gupta.
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Speaker 1: Now most of you would know that name and know
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Speaker 1: his face. For those who get to watch this on
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Speaker 1: replay on line. You would know him from CNN. You
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Speaker 1: know him from documentaries and even television shows. You would
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Speaker 1: know him from public speaking. You know him as really
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Speaker 1: the moral voice for health and wellness and the medical profession.
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, I met Sign Jay formally at dinner.
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Speaker 1: We had run across each other before, but we read
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Speaker 1: formally at dinner through a mutual friend, Tony Wrestler, and
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Speaker 1: hit it off instantly, and or at least I did,
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Speaker 1: and he sort of stuck with me.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And I call Sign Jay one of my brothers from
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Speaker 1: other mothers. So let me formally read something I prepared
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Speaker 1: around his credentials because I think it deserves that, and
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something personal about him, and then we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get into a conversation I would only have with
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Speaker 1: one other person other than Signjay, which is my wife Shaeitra,
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Speaker 1: who is a registered dietitian who is a wellness expert.
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Speaker 1: We talk about health and wealth and why they're connected,
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Speaker 1: how they're connected. She has helped to transform my well
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Speaker 1: being in wellness. The person who she would agree is
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Speaker 1: a step above that is doctor Sanjay Gupta. He is, well,
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Speaker 1: let me get into who he is. He's one of
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Speaker 1: the most trusted voices in medicine in America, and America
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Speaker 1: is the largest economy and the soul superpower in the world.
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Speaker 1: So this is a big deal. But more importantly, he's
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Speaker 1: become a translator between science and everyday life. He's a
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Speaker 1: practicing neurosurgeon. That sounds so dangne cool to say. By
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Speaker 1: the way, that just talking about a brother making smart
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Speaker 1: sexy as my brother Sonjay Gupta. He's a practicing So
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Speaker 1: he's not an influencer. He's not. He's not somebody out
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Speaker 1: here marketing or talking about something.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: It's not what these guys said, Oh yeah, I'm an
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Speaker 1: expert in trucking I learned at our drive on YouTube. No,
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Speaker 1: that's not him. He's a practicing neurosurgeon at Emory University,
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Speaker 1: high one of the best platforms in the world. A
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Speaker 1: multiple Emmy Award winning Chief Medical correspondent for CNN see
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Speaker 1: that transition.
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Speaker 2: Brilliant, best selling author, brilliant.
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Speaker 1: He does a new book that just came out recently,
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Speaker 1: by the way, and some which we have it in
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Speaker 1: our house. And someone who has spent decades helping Americans
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Speaker 1: make sense of health, wellness, crisis, stress, longevity, which we're
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Speaker 1: all interested in in the future of the human condition.
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Speaker 1: But what makes doctor Gupta especially important in this moment
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Speaker 1: is that he doesn't just talk about medicine. He talks
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Speaker 1: about humanity. He understands that health is connected to mindset.
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Speaker 1: You know my obsession with mindset, community, economics, opportunity, and
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Speaker 1: how we live our lives every single day. From reporting
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Speaker 1: on the front lines of war zones and global pandemics
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Speaker 1: to helping millions navigate COVID. He was our big brother,
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Speaker 1: booked big you know, our uncle during COVID, mental health,
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Speaker 1: brain health, and aging. He has earned credibility across political
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Speaker 1: lines and across generations. Today's conversation is not just about
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Speaker 1: health care, okay, It's about how we build healthier lives,
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Speaker 1: healthier communities, and ultimately a healthier America and the world.
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Speaker 2: And health is wealth. It doesn't make any sense for
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Speaker 2: you to build.
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Speaker 1: All this wealth, make all this money, be achieved his success,
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Speaker 1: and then you're basically broken down by the time you
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Speaker 1: get there. You have no quality of life. It's not fun,
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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. I want you to help me give
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Speaker 1: a warm welcome for my friend doctor Sanjay Gupta. Now,
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Speaker 1: Sanjay did something really special at our whole global form.
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Speaker 1: He's spoken in a couple of them. He pushed personally
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Speaker 1: to get clearance to be there, which I appreciate. He
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Speaker 1: came at a CEO dinner meeting and we had had
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Speaker 1: three days of strong programming. At this last form, it's
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Speaker 1: maybe our best we've had ever. And it was a
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Speaker 1: private session of CEOs, some of the best of the best,
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Speaker 1: top of the top in this room, from the mayor
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Speaker 1: to Bishop TD Jakes, I mean, just everybody there, Charlemagne,
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Speaker 1: that God, Jess, hilarious, Killer Mike So, hip hop stars, Ti,
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Speaker 1: the mayor, political politicians, and bastard Andrew Young. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was unbelievable. And of course CEOs are some of
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Speaker 1: the biggest companies and Sonjay blew them away. I mean,
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Speaker 1: is it with our question? Kevin Bouche told me rated
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Speaker 1: one of the top sessions of the entire form. And
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Speaker 1: it's the genius and the brilliance.
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Speaker 2: Of what he does.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but car through with his humanity, with his decency,
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Speaker 1: with his warmness, with his humility, with his heart. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you I'm a fan boy. Now let me welcome you
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Speaker 1: to my friend. Welcome my friend. And he's used to
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Speaker 1: you doctor sand.
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Speaker 3: Wow, John, I don't even know how to respond to that.
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Speaker 3: That's uh, that's you know, so meaningful, obviously in particular
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Speaker 3: coming from you. I have just so much respect for you,
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Speaker 3: and as I as I've told you, you know, we
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Speaker 3: did hit it off right away. I remember that dinner well.
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Speaker 3: But also you know, I you're one of these guys
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Speaker 3: who's taught me a lot, not just by what you say,
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Speaker 3: but how you act and how you interact with people.
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Speaker 3: And you know, part of the reason I always want
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Speaker 3: to come to your forums is because you know, as
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Speaker 3: far as communicators go, you're the guy. You're You're able
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Speaker 3: to do things and and talk to people in ways
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Speaker 3: that I'm trying to emulate. So I'm really honored to
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Speaker 3: be here. I've been looking forward to this. Thanks so
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Speaker 3: much for having me.
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Speaker 1: No, it's my honor and and and uh we were
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Speaker 1: talking offline about how we share a uniqueness and I
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Speaker 1: hope others emulate this. I don't know of another friend.
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Speaker 1: There may be one, so I'm not trying to offend.
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Speaker 1: Maybe Michael Milkin would qualify in this actually, but I
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Speaker 1: have very few friends that have a platform for doing
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Speaker 1: well and a platform for doing good, not like a
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Speaker 1: you know, an aspiration or gee volunteer sometime. Either our
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Speaker 1: friends are all just committed to doing good running nonprofits,
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Speaker 1: et cetera, or the committed to doing well personal wealth
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Speaker 1: creation and all that stuff. But Sonjay and I both
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Speaker 1: have platforms and our friend Michael Milkin for doing well
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Speaker 1: and doing good at scale. And I think that that's
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Speaker 1: the new model. And that's certainly what I reflected in
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Speaker 1: my new book, Capitalism for All. By the way, the
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Speaker 1: audiobooks out today, and so what's your newest book that's out.
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Speaker 3: It's called it Doesn't Have to Hurt. It's It's all
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Speaker 3: about the chronic pain epidemic in this country.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's get into that, because that's sort of indirectly
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Speaker 1: what I want to talk about. We have modeled we
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Speaker 1: have we have modeled every operation Hope. We we have
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Speaker 1: modeled every zip code in America by credit score. It's
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Speaker 1: called the Hope Financial Wellness Index and are the nominker
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Speaker 1: the the AKA is a HOPE seven credit score index
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Speaker 1: and TransUnion and Experience gave us the data along with
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Speaker 1: censes et cetera. And we found something shocking. In urban cities.
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Speaker 1: You live approximately twenty years longer in a seven hundred
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Speaker 1: credit score neighborhood then you live in a five hundred
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Speaker 1: credit score neighborhood. In a five hundred credit score neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: Sign Jay, the data shows you live to about sixty
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Speaker 1: one years of age. And by the way, I'm happy
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Speaker 1: to give you all of this data offline if it's
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Speaker 1: useful to you. You probably already know it. And for
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Speaker 1: every fifty point increase in credit score, you actually end
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Speaker 1: up living another five years. And I say to people,
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Speaker 1: it's not about the credit score, It's about the trending
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Speaker 1: indicators of hope, well being, believe, confidence, faith, joy. As
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Speaker 1: a stress comes off of you and you go from
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Speaker 1: a surviving mindset. I'm saying this, but I want your
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Speaker 1: opinion about whether I'm right or not, because you're the expert,
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Speaker 1: to a thriving mindset, to a winning mindset. You go
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Speaker 1: from five hundred credit score, you just got too much
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Speaker 1: month at end of your money, You're stressed out, you
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Speaker 1: know the weight of the world's on your shoulder. You're
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Speaker 1: maybe you feel resentful, maybe you're depressed, maybe you're angry
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Speaker 1: at the world because where it's not treat truck treated
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Speaker 1: you fairly. And then you go to a thriving middle
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Speaker 1: class environment, let's say six fifty credit score, six eighty,
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Speaker 1: and then you get the seven hundred and seven to
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Speaker 1: fifty credit score, parks, two, print, households, restaurants, quality, medical services, whatever.
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Speaker 1: It's a completely different state of mind. And I think
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Speaker 1: state of being. Am I onto something here or am
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Speaker 1: I got the data data in my assumptions and presumptions incorrect?
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Speaker 3: No, you're spot on. I mean I think the way
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Speaker 3: that I sometimes frame it with my own students, and
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Speaker 3: it's a bit jarring to hear, is that your zip
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Speaker 3: code is now a bigger predictor of both your lifespan
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Speaker 3: and your health span than your genetic code. Wow, which
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Speaker 3: is quite a remarkable thing. You know, this raises all
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Speaker 3: these discussions about nature versus nurture, and you know how
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Speaker 3: much of our lifespan is sort of programmed into our DNA,
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Speaker 3: but zip code is a bigger predictor. And I'll just
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Speaker 3: tell you, John, I think what's fascinating is someone who's
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Speaker 3: been you know, thinking about this, reporting on this for
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Speaker 3: a quarter century. Now there was this famous study that
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Speaker 3: came out a while ago called the China Study, And
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Speaker 3: the China Study was a study that for the first
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Speaker 3: time sort of showed that poor Chinese farmers were actually
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Speaker 3: doing better from a health standpoint than wealthy Hong Kong businessmen.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 3: That surprised everybody at the time because the idea was,
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Speaker 3: you know, wealth buys health. But that China study showed that, look,
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Speaker 3: people who were poorer, they were eating a less processed diet,
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Speaker 3: they were more at they had more connection with people.
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Speaker 3: All the things that we know now make a difference.
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Speaker 3: But what has happened over the last quarter century, as
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Speaker 3: you outlined, is that people who are poorer in the
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Speaker 3: United States, people who live in these zip codes that
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Speaker 3: you're talking about, with poorer credit scores and things like that,
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Speaker 3: they just don't have access to basic things, including healthy diets.
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Speaker 3: There was a study that came out of the Clinton
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Speaker 3: Foundation years ago, and I don't want to over exaggerate this,
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Speaker 3: but they said in some of these zip codes, it
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Speaker 3: was easier to find a weapon, for example, versus a
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Speaker 3: healthy produce, which was which was very jarring basic fruits
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Speaker 3: and vegetables. For basic fruits and vegetables. But this point
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Speaker 3: you made at the end is something that I really
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Speaker 3: tried to dig into, which is to quantify the impact
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Speaker 3: of living in a stressful environment, living in an environment
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Speaker 3: where you have a lot of disparity in terms of wealth, Like,
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Speaker 3: we know that's not good. But what we've been able
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Speaker 3: to see now over the last you know, ten twenty
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Speaker 3: years is an objective measurement of that. So fifteen years,
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Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty years. You mentioned shorter lifespan by virtue
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Speaker 3: of the fact that you live in a certain zip code.
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Speaker 3: That means you don't see your grandkids grow up, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, just to put it in some
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Speaker 3: context for people, it means something in terms of what
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Speaker 3: the end of your life's going to look like. But
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Speaker 3: what we now know is that during your life, the
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Speaker 3: impact of that stress, you live a less healthy lifestyle.
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Speaker 3: So even if you we know you don't live as long,
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Speaker 3: but even during the year as you do live, it's
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Speaker 3: a fundamentally different life, different quality of life. And you know,
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Speaker 3: the wealth disparity in the United States, John, nobody knows
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Speaker 3: this better than you. But it is similar that there's
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Speaker 3: a thing called the Jinny coefficient, which is basically a
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Speaker 3: measure of disparity. Are any coefficient in the United States
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Speaker 3: is on par with Sudan. So while the wealth countries
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Speaker 3: in the world, and there's a lot to celebrate in
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Speaker 3: terms of what happens in the United States, but that
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Speaker 3: disparity is on par with some of the countries that
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Speaker 3: we think of as models of disparity, and that affects everybody,
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Speaker 3: and that certainly leads to many of the things that
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Speaker 3: you just you just mentioned.
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Speaker 1: So of course, let me ask us jarring question as
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Speaker 1: you gave you this jarring stat why. I think I
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Speaker 1: know the why, But you're the medical and expert here.
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Speaker 1: You bring it all together. Why is it on par
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Speaker 1: Then I have a follow up question.
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Speaker 3: Well, I you know, in terms of the wealth disparity
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Speaker 3: part of it, I mean, we get a better sense
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Speaker 3: of the impact of that.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I did this documentary years ago called One Nation under Stress.
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Speaker 3: We did this for HBO, and and the question we
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Speaker 3: were trying to answer there was how does a country
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Speaker 3: that's spending four trillion dollars a year on healthcare? Why
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Speaker 3: do we have some of the worst outcomes in terms
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Speaker 3: of overall mord morbidity and mortality in the world, certainly
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Speaker 3: among the developed nations, and it's it's complicated to say
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Speaker 3: the least. But I think one thing that sort of
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Speaker 3: came out of this was there was this there was
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Speaker 3: this experiment and just stick with me for a second,
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Speaker 3: but there was this experiment of monkeys where they basically
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Speaker 3: had these two monkeys in cages where they could see
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Speaker 3: each other. So there are glass cages, they could see
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Speaker 3: each other, they could see the examiner, and they would
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Speaker 3: do what are called these task oriented expires. So monkey
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Speaker 3: does a task and they're given some sort of reward
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Speaker 3: for that, and in this case, they were given a
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Speaker 3: piece of cucumber, which is considered a very desirable reward.
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Speaker 3: Do the experiment, do the task, which was to hand
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Speaker 3: the examiner a pebble, get cucumber back and forth, dude,
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Speaker 3: And they did it twenty five times in a row.
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Speaker 3: No problem. Then they go to the next capution monkey
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Speaker 3: and they do the same experiment, except this time they
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Speaker 3: give that monkey a piece of grape. Okay, a grape
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Speaker 3: is considered a much more desirable reward. So what do
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Speaker 3: you think happens here? Monkey on the left, cucumber receiving
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Speaker 3: monkey sees the other monkey and says, wait a second,
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Speaker 3: I just did the same exact thing, and that monkey
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Speaker 3: is getting a better reward than me. So then how
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Speaker 3: they go back to the cucumber monkey and they say, okay,
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Speaker 3: give give the pebble and you get your reward. And
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Speaker 3: they give cucumber again, and this monkey, John you should
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Speaker 3: look at this on YouTube, literally chucks the cucumber back
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Speaker 3: out of the cage at the exact Yeah. And during
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Speaker 3: the entire higher experiment, they're measuring stress levels, okay, and
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Speaker 3: they measure the stress levels, and what do you think happens?
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Speaker 3: The stress levels go through the roof, the monkey's literally
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Speaker 3: rattling the cage, and high cortisol levels associated with heart disease,
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Speaker 3: associated with a stroke, it fuel some types of cancers,
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Speaker 3: all these things coming about from the stress. But here's
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Speaker 3: the thing that I think surprised a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: Monkey on the right, great perceiving monkey, stress levels also
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Speaker 3: go way up. Okay, So whether you are a have
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Speaker 3: or a have not, whether you're wealthy or poor. Obviously
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Speaker 3: being wealthy that offers all sorts of advantages in terms
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Speaker 3: of health care, but living in an environment where there's
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Speaker 3: a significant disparity regardless of where you sit on the spectrum.
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Speaker 3: It's stressful for everybody. We live in a highly stressful environment.
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Speaker 3: Cortisol levels are through the roof, and there's all kinds
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Speaker 3: of reasons for that.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: There's wars going on, hunt of ice risks, you know.
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Speaker 3: But this disparity in a society has all sorts of ramifications.
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Speaker 3: We see that around the world, but we especially see
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Speaker 3: it here in the United States.
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Speaker 1: This might become one of the most important interviews I've
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Speaker 1: ever done, because as I'm listening to you, you're bringing
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Speaker 1: together scientifically something that I just know aspirationally and can
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Speaker 1: just talk from the subjective aspect of my life and
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Speaker 1: our experience of clients and Operation Hope. But it's not scientific.
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Speaker 1: So let me bring a couple of important things together.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna throw some stuff at you as you were talking.
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Speaker 1: It just these items just jump out at me. The
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Speaker 1: some of my friends, when I wrote this book Capitalism
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Speaker 1: for All, they would say, oh, John, you know my
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Speaker 1: family they all hate rich people.
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Speaker 2: Responses, No, you don't know. They don't.
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Speaker 1: They hate rich people until they become rich. What they
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Speaker 1: hate is a game system. What they hate is a
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Speaker 1: system that, no matter how hard they work. They can't
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Speaker 1: seem to get ahead, and they see somebody else, the great,
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Speaker 1: the monkey with the great, see somebody else who's working,
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Speaker 1: they believe half as hard with who's a half wit
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Speaker 1: who's not very bright, and they're getting all the benefits,
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Speaker 1: and they're chilling on a yacht somewhere, and this family
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Speaker 1: is struggling. And now they resent, They resent the person
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Speaker 1: and the system that is on the other side of
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Speaker 1: that fence, versus saying, let me aspire to be that person.
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Speaker 1: Because the ladder does not go any down to the
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Speaker 1: ground anymore. They can't find the ladder or the levers
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Speaker 1: to come up themselves, and so they resent. And somebody
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Speaker 1: just asked me this yesterday, like, what about you know
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Speaker 1: people who these young people by the way of all races,
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Speaker 1: particularly wealthy white young people, who are now talking about socialism,
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Speaker 1: they don't like capitalism. And I've got to remind them,
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Speaker 1: you know, even if you want to destribute money like
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Speaker 1: a socialist, you got a first collected like a capitalist.
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Speaker 1: But excuse me for being rational, I said. I understand
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Speaker 1: their frustrations because for them, the cost of everything's going
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Speaker 1: up once again. Here I just gave you an urban
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Speaker 1: example of resentment. And here's a wealthy, sort of white
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Speaker 1: young person. Example, I can't buy a house. They're saying,
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Speaker 1: my student loans are killing me. The affordability is not
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Speaker 1: an issue. I mean, it is ridiculous, and so they
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Speaker 1: resent just like the poor person resents. And this, I
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Speaker 1: imagine creates internal stress. Am I am my own point.
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Speaker 3: I think this is this is Look, this is a
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Speaker 3: profound conversation we're having, John, because I think I think
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Speaker 3: most people sort of get to square one, square two
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Speaker 3: of this conversation where they say, Okay, look, capitalism on
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Speaker 3: one side, socialism on one side. We're obviously looking at
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Speaker 3: this from a from a health perspective. But first of all,
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Speaker 3: I would say, you know, as a physician, as a neurosurgeon,
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Speaker 3: as a as a community member, you know, a neighbor
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Speaker 3: of yours, capitalism has done amazing things for this country.
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Speaker 3: It certainly has done amazing things in the medical sphere.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason why we have had some
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Speaker 3: of the most explosive and wonderful scientific developments in the
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Speaker 3: world coming out of the United States. We're not even
21:29
Speaker 3: five percent of the world's population. You look at the
21:32
Speaker 3: outsized contribution they've had on. You know, medical advancements all
21:37
Speaker 3: over the world, save lives, improve lives all over the world.
21:40
Speaker 3: But at the same time, this this other, this other
21:43
Speaker 3: thing that you're you're raising the the idea that there's
21:47
Speaker 3: an inherent stress of living in a society where there
21:51
Speaker 3: is a lot of disparity. And again, regardless of where
21:55
Speaker 3: you sit on that spectrum, have or have not wealthy
21:57
Speaker 3: or poor. Obviously you have all sorts of different advantages
22:02
Speaker 3: if you're someone who has resources. But you know, I
22:05
Speaker 3: think what what I see and I have you know,
22:07
Speaker 3: I have kids now in the early twenties, and I
22:10
Speaker 3: talked to them a lot, and I talked to their
22:11
Speaker 3: friends a lot, maybe some of the same age people
22:13
Speaker 3: that you're you're referring to. There is this there is
22:17
Speaker 3: this unease. I think a little bit sometimes with the
22:21
Speaker 3: idea that there is so much disparity. When I travel
22:24
Speaker 3: around the world, I see that. You know, you go
22:25
Speaker 3: to India, there's there's you know, a growing middle class now,
22:29
Speaker 3: but thirty years ago there was hardly any middle class.
22:31
Speaker 3: It was either very make sure, it was very poor.
22:33
Speaker 3: And look, it felt unsettling at times when you sort
22:36
Speaker 3: of walk through that environment or you here like, you know,
22:41
Speaker 3: in the same week we heard that we may have
22:43
Speaker 3: the world's first trillionaire. We also heard that as a
22:47
Speaker 3: result of USAID cuts, there may be six hundred thousand
22:52
Speaker 3: people who would die. Four hundred thousand are children. Look,
22:55
Speaker 3: I think I think most people in the United States
22:57
Speaker 3: would say that they are capitalists. But to what degree
23:00
Speaker 3: I mean that does that sound right to you? That
23:02
Speaker 3: a trillionaire and six hundred thousand people dying, those two
23:06
Speaker 3: things would happen in the same week. I'm not saying
23:09
Speaker 3: six hundred thousand people died in one week, That's all
23:10
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But I'm saying that that's what protections were
23:13
Speaker 3: as a result of the USA I D cuts. So,
23:16
Speaker 3: you know, I think this is what a lot of
23:18
Speaker 3: people in terms of their overall views of society, but
23:22
Speaker 3: also again the impact on their health, the the invisible
23:26
Speaker 3: impacts on health, the invisible impacts of that stress living
23:29
Speaker 3: in that sort of environment. Even those guys that you're
23:32
Speaker 3: talking about chilling on their yachts, maybe they still feel
23:36
Speaker 3: the stress of that. You know, I don't know, I
23:38
Speaker 3: don't know what yeah saying, maybe they still feel the
23:41
Speaker 3: stress of that sort of that sort of lifestyle.
23:44
Speaker 1: I was at I'll just say it, I was at
23:47
Speaker 1: the Milk and Global conference last week, and I was
23:49
Speaker 1: at a private dinner in a one hundred million dollar
23:53
Speaker 1: home and in the Milk House, or it wasn't Mike House,
24:00
Speaker 1: one of his boys, one of his friends. And the
24:06
Speaker 1: constant conversation amongst the wealthies of the wealthiest was their
24:11
Speaker 1: stress around this uneven system and is not sustainable, and
24:18
Speaker 1: they were concerned for their safety, their parent their their
24:20
Speaker 1: children and wives safety. There the people seem seeming to
24:25
Speaker 1: again want to choose an alternate system other than capitalism,
24:28
Speaker 1: and I told them, well, look, you need to do
24:31
Speaker 1: more because capitalism has done a crappy job of marketing
24:34
Speaker 1: itself and making itself available to the least of these
24:38
Speaker 1: God's children like it did one hundred years ago. You know,
24:40
Speaker 1: Sam Walton was a had a high school education and
24:45
Speaker 1: a pickup truck in a storefront, and at forty four
24:48
Speaker 1: years of age created Walmart. Well, the landlord took his
24:53
Speaker 1: idea the first time. People don't know that and try
24:57
Speaker 1: to steal it, and he had enough mindset and fortitude
25:01
Speaker 1: whatever in the resilience to say I'm gonna do it again.
25:03
Speaker 1: He ended up in Bittonville by accident. Benville was just
25:06
Speaker 1: a second Bennville, Arkansas, which is where Walmart is now headquartered,
25:09
Speaker 1: now the largest retailer in the world. That was a
25:12
Speaker 1: booby prize. That was where he went to open his
25:14
Speaker 1: second location. And and and But we're not telling young
25:18
Speaker 1: people or middle and age people trying to reset themselves
25:22
Speaker 1: in an ai world that you can go and do that.
25:25
Speaker 1: And here's how you do that. Don't resent success, Let's
25:28
Speaker 1: become it. Let's us gain the system that has to
25:32
Speaker 1: reduce the stress once once that light comes on. That's
25:36
Speaker 1: been our experience at Operation Hope that it has to
25:38
Speaker 1: reduce the stress and increase the joy. Another thing, again,
25:42
Speaker 1: there's so many questions my team had given me, prepared
25:45
Speaker 1: questions for you. I've not asked you one because I'm
25:47
Speaker 1: so passionate about it. I mean, so I'm gonna just
25:53
Speaker 1: throw stuff at you because people want to say to me, oh, John,
25:56
Speaker 1: you're different, special, No, I'm not. My mother told me
25:59
Speaker 1: she loved me every day my life that mattered.
26:02
Speaker 2: Here.
26:02
Speaker 1: I can't guarantee you that being optimistic is going to
26:05
Speaker 1: make you a success, but I absolutely guarantee you that
26:08
Speaker 1: being negative is going to make you fail.
26:10
Speaker 2: That the glasses not half not empty.
26:15
Speaker 1: Well, whether the glasses have empty or half full depends
26:17
Speaker 1: on who's looking at the glass and whether you believe
26:20
Speaker 1: you can or whether you believe you can't. You're absolutely right.
26:24
Speaker 1: So we're talking about mindset here, right, And if we
26:28
Speaker 1: can get peoples to be optimistic and aspirational, I think
26:33
Speaker 1: it kicks off. The right side of the brain opens up,
26:35
Speaker 1: the right side of the brain where creativity, hope, well
26:37
Speaker 1: being believed, confidence joy sits and it allows you to
26:41
Speaker 1: transition over to the left side of the brain, where
26:43
Speaker 1: logic sits. And I think a lot of places where
26:46
Speaker 1: you and I care about, whether it's poor white in
26:50
Speaker 1: West Virginia or whether it's black and brown urban in
26:54
Speaker 1: Detroit or wherever, or in Atlanta, that they're sitting in
26:59
Speaker 1: this environ struggling and struct and trying to survive whether
27:04
Speaker 1: right side of their brain. Other than going to a
27:06
Speaker 1: concert or something to relieve themselves, it's shut down. Primarily
27:10
Speaker 1: they can't get to the left side of the brain
27:11
Speaker 1: as logical. I mean, is there anything I'm saying is
27:15
Speaker 1: making any sense? And it please on real time just
27:18
Speaker 1: disagree with me. So we can give you a good information,
27:21
Speaker 1: but I really want to get to the heart of
27:23
Speaker 1: this mental health and depression issue.
27:27
Speaker 3: Well, you know, part of the reason, I'll just say
27:30
Speaker 3: this headline first and then we can sort of retro
27:32
Speaker 3: engineer it. But I think part of the reason I
27:34
Speaker 3: want to be on your podcast first of all, because
27:37
Speaker 3: this point you're making about optimism versus negativity and the
27:41
Speaker 3: impacts those things have on your mental health and your
27:44
Speaker 3: overall health. To be quite honest, I totally agree with you.
27:47
Speaker 3: I do feel like a lot of people feel that
27:50
Speaker 3: the system is rigged against them. So as optimistic as
27:53
Speaker 3: they may be, they still live in that zip code
27:57
Speaker 3: and they still like are going to have fifteen years.
28:00
Speaker 3: There's a shorter life expectancy as a result of that,
28:03
Speaker 3: and stressful life. But what you do with financial literacy, Like,
28:08
Speaker 3: I think people they fear things they don't understand, and
28:11
Speaker 3: knowledge is power. I think when it comes to financial literacy,
28:15
Speaker 3: I think so many people they don't have it. They
28:19
Speaker 3: you know, look, even as a doctor myself, I wasn't
28:21
Speaker 3: taught anything about financial literacy. I know nothing about this,
28:25
Speaker 3: and so many times I feared it, or I certainly didn't.
28:28
Speaker 3: I probably wasn't as most as logical as I could
28:31
Speaker 3: have been, as rational as I could have been when
28:33
Speaker 3: thinking about that. So the idea that you arm people,
28:37
Speaker 3: So if the enemy is this idea that people feel
28:41
Speaker 3: like the system is rigged, I don't understand the financial system.
28:44
Speaker 3: The idea that you teach that to people, you offer
28:47
Speaker 3: that to people, I think is so critically important and
28:49
Speaker 3: frankly I think it should be taught in middle schools
28:51
Speaker 3: and high schools. Again, our good friend, common friend, Tony Wrestler,
28:55
Speaker 3: he's someone who talks about that as well. I think
28:57
Speaker 3: that's important. But right now, I think again, for the
29:02
Speaker 3: next generation, people who are twenty five to thirty years
29:04
Speaker 3: younger than us, what do we What is the message
29:09
Speaker 3: we send to them? We have to send that message
29:12
Speaker 3: of hope and optimism because and make it true, but
29:16
Speaker 3: also recognize that there are rewards to that that maybe
29:19
Speaker 3: they don't fully appreciate in terms of the impact on
29:22
Speaker 3: their physical and mental health. Simply by looking at the
29:27
Speaker 3: world in a more favorable way is healing? I think
29:32
Speaker 3: is healing. I think hope is healing. You know you
29:36
Speaker 3: you are John Hope. You know the idea that people
29:38
Speaker 3: often think of hope and healing as sort of two
29:41
Speaker 3: forces that may be at odds with each other. Oh, hope,
29:43
Speaker 3: Hope is not a strategy this and the other thing.
29:46
Speaker 3: And yet we know that if you are hopeful that
29:49
Speaker 3: all these other things they start to become more common,
29:52
Speaker 3: more likely in your life, including the impact on health.
29:55
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's powerful. I mean, as a physician,
30:01
Speaker 3: I take pair of patients who have tough problems, you know,
30:04
Speaker 3: as a neurosurgeon, brain tumors, you know, spinal cord injuries,
30:07
Speaker 3: things like that. I'm always hopeful with them, John, Not
30:12
Speaker 3: because I'm some person who just wants to give false
30:15
Speaker 3: promises and things like that, but because I believe hope
30:18
Speaker 3: can be healing in and of itself. Hope is a construct,
30:22
Speaker 3: can be healing in and of itself. And now we've
30:24
Speaker 3: got to figure out how to democratize that across the
30:26
Speaker 3: generation at a time when there's this incredible wealth disparity
30:30
Speaker 3: and all the other things, the wars and the pandemics
30:33
Speaker 3: and all these other things. You know, when I grew up, John,
30:35
Speaker 3: I was born in nineteen sixty eight, Vietnam War was
30:39
Speaker 3: basically ending. There was no new war horizon. We probably
30:44
Speaker 3: should have been talking about climate change more. We really weren't.
30:46
Speaker 3: There was certainly no pandemics that we, you know, were
30:49
Speaker 3: in our lifetime. My kids were born into two wars,
30:52
Speaker 3: my kids into a pandemic. They were born into a
30:56
Speaker 3: constant conversation about climate change. Never once considered the end
31:02
Speaker 3: of the world. I couldn't think about that, like the
31:05
Speaker 3: world ending, Like wait, well it just philosophically, you know, logically,
31:11
Speaker 3: there was nothing about it that made sense. Mike contemplated
31:16
Speaker 3: the end of the world. It's a very different environment,
31:19
Speaker 3: and I think that's why what you do, and to
31:21
Speaker 3: some extent, what I do, trying to provide that hope
31:24
Speaker 3: has never been more important.
31:29
Speaker 1: I think again, I'm gonna underscore it. I'm gonna encourage
31:32
Speaker 1: everybody listening to this podcast. Out of the three seasons
31:36
Speaker 1: that I've done this, I need you to take this
31:39
Speaker 1: one and share it with your friends and take a
31:42
Speaker 1: five or ten minute piece of it and unpack it.
31:44
Speaker 1: Because of a lot we've concentrated here, just in the
31:47
Speaker 1: thirty minutes we've been on all so far already, that
31:50
Speaker 1: we could change your entire life. Yes, whether you believe
31:53
Speaker 1: you can, whether you believe you can't. You're absolutely right, right,
31:58
Speaker 1: And mindset matters. In fact, Uh, mindset is everything, not everything,
32:03
Speaker 1: but most everything. Because and this is a spiritual statement
32:06
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna make that I don't I'm not attributing
32:09
Speaker 1: to doctor Gupta. We're not human beings having a spiritual experience.
32:15
Speaker 1: We're spiritual beings having a human experience. And energy matters. So, uh,
32:23
Speaker 1: if you walk into a room with an attitude, people
32:25
Speaker 1: are gonna feel that, they're gonna vibe that.
32:28
Speaker 2: If you're angry at the world.
32:32
Speaker 1: People are gonna feel that they're not gonna want to
32:33
Speaker 1: do business with you. And so it becomes a self
32:35
Speaker 1: manifesting destiny. If you think the world is racist, and
32:38
Speaker 1: you think the world stacked against you, and you think
32:41
Speaker 1: that everybody's you know whatever, every capitalist is bad or
32:44
Speaker 1: whatever the thing is, and you walk into an interview
32:46
Speaker 1: or you meet somebody and you got that energy hanging
32:49
Speaker 1: on you. You don't think they can feel that. You don't
32:52
Speaker 1: think that they're not They're like, WHOA, I don't know
32:53
Speaker 1: what that is, but keep it away from me.
32:56
Speaker 2: You can be the hardest person in the world, but
32:58
Speaker 2: no one wants to deal with you, So.
33:01
Speaker 1: You may not listen to me, because you think I'm
33:07
Speaker 1: some of some kind of Martian aberration or something.
33:11
Speaker 2: But listen to doctor Gupta.
33:12
Speaker 1: He's given you hard science, hard facts that says this
33:16
Speaker 1: is no this is global, it's universal, and it tracks
33:20
Speaker 1: with human development and science over time. And you've heard
33:25
Speaker 1: me now on camera. Now be willing to be embarrassed.
33:29
Speaker 1: I've told him my philosophy right here, willing to have
33:31
Speaker 1: it shut down. And so take this podcast and share
33:37
Speaker 1: it with everybody you know, and start a conversation in
33:40
Speaker 1: your living room amongst your fraternities and sororities. We want
33:44
Speaker 1: you to live, not just a longer life. We want
33:46
Speaker 1: you to live a better life, a better quality life.
33:49
Speaker 1: Don't get to sixty one and drop dead or sixty
33:52
Speaker 1: five and you're so fractured and torn that you can't
33:55
Speaker 1: even benefit from your You know you, And I know
33:59
Speaker 1: Ambassador Andrew Young who is ninety four years young, and
34:04
Speaker 1: he's still giving two speeches a day. And I really
34:09
Speaker 1: believe that. And I'm not for anybody who wants to retire.
34:11
Speaker 2: You go ahead and do it.
34:13
Speaker 1: I'm not, but understand retirement was a political creation in
34:19
Speaker 1: the early twentieth century America's trying to create jobs. The
34:23
Speaker 1: president was they looked at a European model where they
34:26
Speaker 1: encouraged older people to stop working. They called it retirement
34:31
Speaker 1: so that young so they could create jobs for eighteen
34:33
Speaker 1: year olds. It was a replacement of jobstra they're not
34:36
Speaker 1: ever growing economy, so they replace jobs. That's where retirement
34:39
Speaker 1: came from. We look at that now that somehow it's
34:41
Speaker 1: something written in the Bible or something that at sixty
34:44
Speaker 1: five year out of gas and you're no longer useful,
34:47
Speaker 1: and I just disagree with that. I say, don't retire, rewire,
34:51
Speaker 1: go do whatever you want, whenever you want, but have
34:53
Speaker 1: a purpose in a life. And most of them Bass
34:55
Speaker 1: Young's friends. Every week he tells me to going to
34:57
Speaker 1: a funeral. They're dropping dead. They want to go play
35:00
Speaker 1: golf and sit down and knowing, you know whatever, the
35:03
Speaker 1: light of aspiration turned off. And I think that something
35:06
Speaker 1: turned off inside of them. He's turned on all the time,
35:10
Speaker 1: and I think that that's consistent with how he's lived
35:13
Speaker 1: and continues to live a long energy in case life,
35:17
Speaker 1: you and I talked to him, he's ninety four. It's
35:19
Speaker 1: like I talked to a fifty year old. Mentally, when
35:23
Speaker 1: I was in high school. I'll tell you just a
35:25
Speaker 1: quick thing. We had a field trip that we took.
35:27
Speaker 1: I was living in Michigan at the time.
35:29
Speaker 3: We came to Atlanta and the reason we came to
35:31
Speaker 3: Atlanta was to hear Andrew Young speak. And I'll tell
35:36
Speaker 3: you what that was sort of a life changing thing
35:38
Speaker 3: for me. By the way, you're like this as well, John,
35:41
Speaker 3: But I was a high school student of sixteen seventeen
35:44
Speaker 3: years old, and I watched this guy speak and it
35:47
Speaker 3: was like the best rock concert I'd ever been to.
35:49
Speaker 3: Right the place was just just totally vibing with him.
35:52
Speaker 2: And by the way, look at this. Look at this.
35:54
Speaker 2: This is crazy. Look at this. Look who's calling?
35:57
Speaker 3: Come on? Really? You got he can't leave the ambassador.
36:02
Speaker 1: Hanging Ambassador Andrew Young, you're alive on a podcast. I
36:08
Speaker 1: think I just missed him. I'll call him back. But
36:10
Speaker 1: that's a great Ange Young quote. Coincidence is God's way
36:14
Speaker 1: of remaining anonymous. Okay, anyway, so.
36:17
Speaker 3: Funny, I'll tell you there's an energy out.
36:19
Speaker 2: There, isn't there There's an energy, man, So this just.
36:23
Speaker 3: Can't be random events. They campaign that he calls you
36:26
Speaker 3: that exact that's unbelievable.
36:30
Speaker 2: And he was calling it.
36:31
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was calling about something about changing the
36:33
Speaker 1: world or what we're gonna He was just only on
36:35
Speaker 1: the phone me last night.
36:37
Speaker 2: You know what.
36:37
Speaker 1: There we going to the Obama Library because they're naming
36:40
Speaker 1: a room after him, the area after him in the library,
36:43
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, I mean he's on the move,
36:46
Speaker 1: he's on the run all the time, but he's got purpose.
36:50
Speaker 1: He's leaning into meaningfulness.
36:53
Speaker 2: All the time.
36:54
Speaker 1: You're your reach out, your reach should exceed your grasp.
36:59
Speaker 2: I let me ask you a question.
37:03
Speaker 1: When you hear the phrase financial stress, and I'm gonna
37:08
Speaker 1: go to the we're over at Hope. Let's go back
37:10
Speaker 1: to where a lot of people are sitting right now.
37:11
Speaker 1: Because the last factoy that I'm gonna throw in here,
37:16
Speaker 1: I was in a hotel and coming out of a
37:18
Speaker 1: hotel in New York and the bellman who's also an artist,
37:23
Speaker 1: and we bought some of his art. I asked him
37:26
Speaker 1: how the art was doing and he said not good.
37:28
Speaker 1: I said, well, I don't understand. Are your clients working classes?
37:32
Speaker 1: You know they're all wealthy. And I said, well, I
37:35
Speaker 1: don't understand the stock markets at record highs and economy
37:39
Speaker 1: is booming, even though I think it's not sustainable in
37:42
Speaker 1: the way it's structured. And he said people by art,
37:46
Speaker 1: he said, based on how they're feeling. So yes, they
37:50
Speaker 1: economics have to be doing well, but they're not feeling
37:53
Speaker 1: good about the world or the country or their lives.
37:56
Speaker 1: They don't buy art. It's an emotional purchase. Tie to
37:59
Speaker 1: how they're feeling. They have to be asked race And
38:01
Speaker 1: I thought that was extraordinary insight and I hadn't thought
38:04
Speaker 1: about it. But it's not just that they got the money,
38:07
Speaker 1: but they have to feel inspired something in their I
38:12
Speaker 1: guess the right side. Their brain has to be popping
38:15
Speaker 1: in a way that they are in you know, mentally
38:19
Speaker 1: want to buy by art. I'm gonna tie that to
38:25
Speaker 1: the next question. Now we're about wealthy people here, Let's
38:28
Speaker 1: go all the way over to folks who've got too
38:30
Speaker 1: much month at the end of their money and help
38:34
Speaker 1: them understand how financial stress what that does inside please
38:38
Speaker 1: the body and the brain.
38:42
Speaker 3: I think a core ingredient here that maybe in some
38:44
Speaker 3: ways ties this together, including the health angle of this
38:49
Speaker 3: as well, is uncertainty. What does uncertainty do to someone's
38:56
Speaker 3: mental and physical health? You know, there's this great quote
38:59
Speaker 3: that I always come back to. It was from the
39:01
Speaker 3: eighteenth century Kant, and I'm not going to get it
39:04
Speaker 3: exactly right, but he basically says something like his greatest
39:08
Speaker 3: concern for society was a false confidence, bred from the
39:12
Speaker 3: ignorance that we live in an inherently probabilistic world. That
39:17
Speaker 3: people want to see black and white where they should
39:20
Speaker 3: rightly seek gray. And I think, you know, I think
39:24
Speaker 3: about this all the time. Every time I walk into
39:26
Speaker 3: a patient's room. People want certainty, Like I'm going to
39:31
Speaker 3: talk about their brain tumor or their spinal cord, whatever
39:34
Speaker 3: it may be. They want certainty. And I think for
39:37
Speaker 3: a lot of people, the temptation is, let me inject
39:40
Speaker 3: certainty into this. So I'm one hundred percent confident xyz.
39:43
Speaker 3: But I think what we've sort of missed in that
39:46
Speaker 3: whole thing was the idea of not necessarily trying to
39:50
Speaker 3: be certain in an uncertain world, but teaching people how
39:53
Speaker 3: to be more comfortable with uncertainty, teaching people how to
39:58
Speaker 3: understand risk better, you know, And I mean you do
40:02
Speaker 3: that so well, John, I mean, and I think the
40:04
Speaker 3: financial world is the best example of it. It's so tangible,
40:08
Speaker 3: so objective. But I do think that probably with your
40:11
Speaker 3: friend that you're talking about in New York, you know,
40:13
Speaker 3: walking out of that hotel, if things feel uncertain for people,
40:19
Speaker 3: maybe their spending habits change as a result of that.
40:22
Speaker 3: I think it's certainly true in the health world people
40:24
Speaker 3: behave differently when they feel a lot of uncertainty. So
40:28
Speaker 3: this gets back to what you do again. And I'm
40:30
Speaker 3: not just trying to compliment you over and over again,
40:33
Speaker 3: but it is true that you know, teaching people financial literacy,
40:36
Speaker 3: you're teaching them as an objective thing, but I think
40:39
Speaker 3: maybe one of the more fundamental things you're doing is
40:41
Speaker 3: teaching them how to deal with risk and the uncertainty
40:44
Speaker 3: that comes with risk. And that's that's healing again, that
40:49
Speaker 3: it's just so important. So you can't inject certainty into
40:53
Speaker 3: an uncertain world and we live in a probabilistic world,
40:57
Speaker 3: but you can get people more comfortable living in that
40:59
Speaker 3: world world and dealing with uncertainty.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy goes back to Hope with a business plan.
41:05
Speaker 1: Yes, faith is what you do when you don't have
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Speaker 1: all the facts right right.
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Speaker 3: I love that I got I gotta write these down.
41:13
Speaker 2: I go.
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Speaker 3: And write down the gym Hope quotes.
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Speaker 1: So, so what does living in a constant state of
41:22
Speaker 1: barely making it due to the nervous system over time?
41:26
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a couple of these at the same time.
41:28
Speaker 1: From a medical standpoint, how harmful is shame, especially around money, debt,
41:35
Speaker 1: weight as in personal weight, physical weight, pain, addiction, or
41:39
Speaker 1: mental health? How do we talk to people about behavioral
41:44
Speaker 1: change without making them feel blamed? Are there some hacks
41:48
Speaker 1: that we can do give to people listening to this.
41:53
Speaker 3: That that that's such a great question, and there's a
41:56
Speaker 3: lot in there. Let me give you one example which
41:59
Speaker 3: I think maybe sort of speaks to this at least.
42:02
Speaker 3: And this has to do with something that I think
42:04
Speaker 3: a lot of people have heard about over the last
42:06
Speaker 3: few years, which are these GLP drugs tempic Monjarro, you know,
42:11
Speaker 3: w Goovi, all those drugs. And I've been doing a
42:14
Speaker 3: lot of reporting on this, and I traveled to Denmark
42:17
Speaker 3: where these drugs were originally developed, and I spoke to
42:19
Speaker 3: the scientists and everybody who was involved with that not
42:23
Speaker 3: only from a science perspective, but from a social perspective.
42:26
Speaker 3: They didn't want to release these drugs initially because yeah,
42:29
Speaker 3: because there was this idea that hey, look, obesity is
42:34
Speaker 3: a failure of will. Why are we medicalizing it? Right?
42:39
Speaker 3: And what I think change there? And I'll tie this together,
42:43
Speaker 3: but I think what change there? Was this notion that
42:46
Speaker 3: for some people who are overweight or obese, they simply
42:51
Speaker 3: never get a message to their brain after they've eaten
42:54
Speaker 3: that they're full. Okay, So the signaling is off. The
42:58
Speaker 3: brain doesn't signal that, hey, you've just eaten, you don't
43:01
Speaker 3: need to eat anymore. They don't feel full, they don't
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Speaker 3: feel what is known as satiation satiety. Now, if you
43:07
Speaker 3: think of it that way instead of just thinking, oh,
43:09
Speaker 3: this guy just eats too much, he can't stop eating,
43:12
Speaker 3: if you think about it as a failure to do this,
43:14
Speaker 3: which we now know as a result of these studies
43:17
Speaker 3: that came out around these drugs, I think your whole
43:19
Speaker 3: way of looking at someone that you see on the
43:21
Speaker 3: street who's obese or overweight may change. You may think
43:26
Speaker 3: of them more from a diabetes sort of model. They're
43:28
Speaker 3: not making enough insulin in this case, they're not making
43:31
Speaker 3: enough of this particular glucagon like pepti GLP, and their
43:36
Speaker 3: brain isn't working as well. And the reason I bring
43:38
Speaker 3: that up is to say, under knowledge is power with
43:43
Speaker 3: regard to if you feel shame from something like obesity
43:48
Speaker 3: or something like that, then listen to what I've just
43:50
Speaker 3: said and understand that not for everybody, nothing is absolute
43:54
Speaker 3: or one hundred percent, but for a lot of people
43:56
Speaker 3: out there, this isn't a shame issue. Just like you
43:59
Speaker 3: shouldn't be shamed aimed that you've got cancer or something
44:02
Speaker 3: like that. These are medical issues that as we learn
44:05
Speaker 3: more and more about them, we can explain them. Addiction
44:08
Speaker 3: you mentioned, I mean, even over my twenty five year career, John,
44:11
Speaker 3: I think the understanding of what happens in the brain
44:14
Speaker 3: for someone who's an addict has changed. You can line
44:17
Speaker 3: up ten people, you give all ten of them an
44:19
Speaker 3: opioate for eight of them, nine of them they may say, Okay,
44:22
Speaker 3: well that was interesting. I don't really ever care if
44:24
Speaker 3: I do that again. But for one of them it
44:28
Speaker 3: was a euphoric, profound experience and they can't live without it. Wow,
44:32
Speaker 3: Okay why because their dopamine hit was just surge so
44:36
Speaker 3: much that it became something they craved and they had
44:39
Speaker 3: to have. So when people say addiction is a brain disease.
44:44
Speaker 3: That's kind of fundamentally what they're talking about. And I'm
44:47
Speaker 3: just using these examples to say, hey, look, shame should
44:50
Speaker 3: not be the first thing that you should go to
44:52
Speaker 3: if you're thinking about issues like this, it should be
44:56
Speaker 3: a greater understanding what exactly is happening in your body
44:58
Speaker 3: and your brain. And once you under stand that, I
45:00
Speaker 3: think it helps mitigate a lot of the shame and
45:03
Speaker 3: despair that people feel around these things.
45:10
Speaker 1: Again, we're gonna fortunately, we're gonna wrap up here a second.
45:13
Speaker 1: You's gotta go do surgery and a bunch of other stuff.
45:16
Speaker 1: But my God, has been so amazing When you just
45:18
Speaker 1: said the thing about shame and addiction would trigger in me.
45:25
Speaker 1: I will often say, non scientifically clearly that an addiction
45:31
Speaker 1: is a response to an emotion you can't handle.
45:35
Speaker 2: That.
45:36
Speaker 1: We have a bunch of ings in our life, shopping, drinking, drugging, oversleeping, sexting, texting,
45:48
Speaker 1: and not dealing, not healing that if you don't do
45:54
Speaker 1: these things, then you're you're like I got cup with
45:57
Speaker 1: a hole in the bottom of it. No matter how
45:59
Speaker 1: much you or in that cup is coming out the bottom.
46:02
Speaker 1: It may be slowly coming out, but it's coming out,
46:04
Speaker 1: and so you need more of the same hit to
46:07
Speaker 1: give you the same buzz, and after a while you
46:10
Speaker 1: become addicted. This stuff literally kills you in many cases.
46:15
Speaker 1: And now that was my non scientific, non anything translation
46:20
Speaker 1: of what I think you just said. And so you
46:22
Speaker 1: don't blame somebody for that, whatever that that is. You say, Look,
46:28
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the knock on effects, that's the reaction.
46:32
Speaker 1: Let's deal what you need is the one I g
46:34
Speaker 1: is positive. Let's deal with.
46:36
Speaker 3: Healing absolutely absolutely and understanding you know I understanding. Yeah,
46:44
Speaker 3: that knowledge is power. I mean, I think we make
46:47
Speaker 3: so many assumptions about people. You know, you're going back
46:50
Speaker 3: to the example of somebody that you say walks into
46:53
Speaker 3: a meeting with obviously negative energy. I mean, I think
46:56
Speaker 3: you and I are both evolved enough individuals to take
46:59
Speaker 3: a beaty, Hey, what could be going on in that
47:03
Speaker 3: person's life? Right, you know, what's what's going on there?
47:06
Speaker 3: As opposed to just falling into the same trap that
47:09
Speaker 3: they fell into, which was to make assumptions about you
47:11
Speaker 3: maybe or to make assumptions about the situation. You and
47:15
Speaker 3: I don't do that, and you know it's it's it's
47:17
Speaker 3: why I love you, John, it really is. You said
47:20
Speaker 3: all those nice things about me at the top, and
47:22
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. But I and I don't do
47:24
Speaker 3: this often, but but I want to reciprocate that to
47:27
Speaker 3: you because you were you were one of those individuals
47:30
Speaker 3: who is a bright ray of light for us and
47:34
Speaker 3: and I feel I feel better when I get to
47:36
Speaker 3: spend time with you. But you do that for so
47:37
Speaker 3: many people. And you know, you know, I'm a doctor,
47:42
Speaker 3: You're a healer. You're a healer, and so you get
47:45
Speaker 3: to you know, it's good, good combination. I think you and.
47:47
Speaker 1: I it's good juju uh. I would love for us
47:51
Speaker 1: to do this again, schedule permits. I think this has
47:55
Speaker 1: been powerful. I I I knew it would be strong.
47:59
Speaker 1: I did know it would be transformational because a lot
48:04
Speaker 1: of I want to gallup initially twenty years ago with
48:06
Speaker 1: my concept of hope because people would roll their eyes
48:09
Speaker 1: with me back then Oh here comes John Brian again
48:11
Speaker 1: with financial literacy and hope and okay, but you know,
48:15
Speaker 1: and I wanted to prove that hope could be measured,
48:19
Speaker 1: and so they helped me do that. And you have
48:22
Speaker 1: just helped to prove that mindset matters. And and that
48:27
Speaker 1: that also that it's changeable, like there's things that you
48:30
Speaker 1: can change with a change of the mindset and with
48:33
Speaker 1: understanding and healing scientifically. I'm gonna leave you with a question,
48:39
Speaker 1: one last questions. I want to mess up your whole
48:41
Speaker 1: schedule today. This has been powerful, and then maybe when
48:43
Speaker 1: pick it up again in the next session, and any
48:45
Speaker 1: of whatever else you want to add as we close?
48:48
Speaker 1: What is the difference? So people talk about longevity today
48:54
Speaker 1: and I guess what do they often misunderstand about that?
48:56
Speaker 2: And let me give you an example.
48:58
Speaker 1: What's the difference between lifespan and.
49:01
Speaker 2: And health span? Yeah? Right?
49:04
Speaker 1: And how much of longevity is genetics? And how much
49:08
Speaker 1: is behavior, environment, stress, access and daily choices? And I
49:12
Speaker 1: guess the drop the mic is if somebody's listening to
49:15
Speaker 1: this and going, okay, this has transformed my thinking, how
49:18
Speaker 1: do I transform my life? What can doctor Sandia group
49:22
Speaker 1: to leave with me, leave with the audience that they
49:25
Speaker 1: can work on tomorrow.
49:28
Speaker 3: Well, the way I would sort of think about lifespan
49:32
Speaker 3: versus health span is a simple one. And I always
49:35
Speaker 3: try not to sound too euphemistic or too simplistic, but
49:38
Speaker 3: it is. It is years of life versus life in
49:41
Speaker 3: your years. I mean, you know, for years you live.
49:46
Speaker 3: Obviously that has importance for a lot of the reasons
49:49
Speaker 3: we talked about the top of the podcast, you know,
49:51
Speaker 3: seeing people in your life grow up and all those things.
49:54
Speaker 3: But the life in your years, I think is what
49:56
Speaker 3: we all sort of want, and I think with health
49:59
Speaker 3: span and to put a more of a punctuation mark
50:03
Speaker 3: on it, because you know, I'm in my late fifties now,
50:05
Speaker 3: so I think about things maybe a little different than
50:07
Speaker 3: I did twenty years ago, but when I'm in my
50:10
Speaker 3: mid sixties and mid seventies, to be as functional as
50:15
Speaker 3: I can possibly be, but also sort of warding off
50:18
Speaker 3: what some people call the horsemen of aging, you know,
50:22
Speaker 3: cardiovascular risk, stroke risk, cancer risk, dementia risks, things like that.
50:26
Speaker 3: So that's what I consider health span, the life in
50:29
Speaker 3: my years, but also being able to ward off some
50:32
Speaker 3: of the biggest predictors of mortality later on in life.
50:36
Speaker 3: Biggest thing I would say, you know, and again I
50:40
Speaker 3: very careful about not being too reductionist here. We should
50:44
Speaker 3: all be eating right, we should be exercising, we should
50:46
Speaker 3: be doing all those things. Social connections with people I
50:49
Speaker 3: know are very important. You create hormones in your body
50:53
Speaker 3: that are very healing hormones just by spending time with people,
50:56
Speaker 3: are having conversations like we are. It's really important if
50:59
Speaker 3: you are retiring, don't go buy a nice house somewhere
51:01
Speaker 3: that is isolated from everybody just because it has a
51:04
Speaker 3: nice view. You need to be interacting with humans on
51:06
Speaker 3: a regular basis. So let me give you a very
51:08
Speaker 3: specific thing and that and just because I think it's
51:13
Speaker 3: a little surprising, but bone density is probably one of
51:17
Speaker 3: the biggest predictors overall of your long term health span
51:21
Speaker 3: because so much, so many things built into bone density. Fractures.
51:27
Speaker 3: Having a fall and having a fracture something later on
51:29
Speaker 3: in life that can be a terrible event that could
51:33
Speaker 3: potentially be the beginning of the end of your life.
51:37
Speaker 3: So my mother, right, and and I think we talked
51:41
Speaker 3: about this. My mom also fell, she had a fraction
51:43
Speaker 3: in her back, and it's she told me that she
51:46
Speaker 3: didn't want to live anymore. I mean, which is a
51:48
Speaker 3: very hard thing to hear from your from your from
51:50
Speaker 3: your mom or anybody, but from your mom. So do
51:54
Speaker 3: the things that you know that you should be doing
51:57
Speaker 3: in terms of a better life, you know, sort of
52:01
Speaker 3: healthy diet and exercise and all that, but really start focusing,
52:05
Speaker 3: especially when you get into your late fifties and early sixties,
52:07
Speaker 3: on bone mass and muscle mass and things like that.
52:10
Speaker 3: So if you were an aerobics person like John, you're
52:13
Speaker 3: you're a very fit guy. And my guess is you
52:15
Speaker 3: do a lot of resistance training and things like that.
52:18
Speaker 3: That's those are very predictive things for your health span
52:23
Speaker 3: later on in life.
52:27
Speaker 1: This has been extraordinary, Sanjay, thank you, and it's been
52:32
Speaker 1: a healing and I just want to you are a
52:37
Speaker 1: gift man and you have literally made my day just
52:40
Speaker 1: by spending time with you. You are a light. Talk about me.
52:43
Speaker 1: You're a light in the world. And now you're going
52:45
Speaker 1: to go heal people with not just theory, but you're
52:48
Speaker 1: going to do surgery. You're going to get people their
52:51
Speaker 1: life back. You're going to make sure the lights can
52:54
Speaker 1: continue to come on with all the receptors in their brain.
52:57
Speaker 1: It is transformationally important what you do. Somebody just called me.
53:01
Speaker 1: I don't want to mention their name because they're a
53:02
Speaker 1: public figure. It just called me. Three days ago. I
53:06
Speaker 1: was in Turks and Kekos getting some more sun and
53:10
Speaker 1: energy back in my life in the water, also trying
53:13
Speaker 1: to work on my resistance, and they called me and
53:16
Speaker 1: out of the blue they said, you know what Sanjay
53:19
Speaker 1: said blah blah blah back at that December session, I'm
53:23
Speaker 1: now acting on in a very meaningful way that in
53:27
Speaker 1: other words, it literally got them thinking about something that
53:29
Speaker 1: changed their life trajectory. This is one of the most
53:33
Speaker 1: important people in the world, So you never know the
53:35
Speaker 1: impact you're having, but just know you're having an impact
53:39
Speaker 1: even though you don't know.
53:41
Speaker 2: And all my.
53:42
Speaker 1: Own requests for you is that we spend more time
53:43
Speaker 1: together as friends, the four of us, and that our
53:47
Speaker 1: wives and that personally asking for professionally if you come
53:51
Speaker 1: back at some point when you're free to do a
53:53
Speaker 1: part two of this podcast, because I think as we
53:56
Speaker 1: think about this, more things going to come up. Wow,
54:00
Speaker 1: should have talked about this and that, and this competition
54:02
Speaker 1: is just not happening. So thank you anytime.
54:06
Speaker 2: John.
54:06
Speaker 3: I love our conversations and I really value our friendship.
54:10
Speaker 3: I really do, so thank you. Stay clean, stay pure,
54:13
Speaker 3: stay stay stay you John, and and and best of
54:17
Speaker 3: Chai as well. You know Chi has become a close
54:19
Speaker 3: friend as well. You should listen to her caring you.
54:24
Speaker 1: I will let her know that you send your love
54:26
Speaker 1: and care. God bless you, ladies and gentlemen. This has
54:29
Speaker 1: been Money and Wealth on the Black Effect Network on
54:32
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio with none other than doctor legendary Doctor Sonjay Google.
54:41
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
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