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1991's Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, Movie
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  talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our shelf,
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  presents it to the other and discusses it at length.
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  This week we've got coming off of Dave's Shelf, 1991's Robin
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  Hood, Prince of Thieves, directed by Kevin Reynolds,
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  starring Kevin Costner, Mary Elizabeth, Master Antonio.
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  Very good. Yeah.
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  They just struggle with that. No, no, no, she's great.
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  Scarface. The abyss.
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  The abyss. That's limbo.
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  She was with Ed Harris. That's right.
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  Here's your connected tissue that you.
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  Color of Money with Tom Cruise. She's wonderful actor.
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  And we've got the late, great Alan Rickman.
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  Also Michael Wincott, who doesn't get enough credit as far
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  as I'm concerned. Not nearly enough.
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  Who's that again? He's his cousin.
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  Great voice. Kinda looks like Guy Pierce,
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  actually. A little bit sure.
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  Just a little bit sure. Kevin Reynolds directed The
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  Count of Monte Cristo a few years after this movie.
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  And Guy Pierce in that movie, just for the record.
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  You're welcome. And Jim Caviezel.
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  Yeah. Jimmy.
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  Yeah, wonderful. Here we are, David.
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  It's another week. I have to ask you.
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  I must. It's contractually obligated.
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  Why this movie? Why now?
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  I'm fine, I don't care. It's mostly because you brought
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  off Kevin Costner, Field of Dreams recently and I felt it
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  was my turn to bring Kevin a few weeks later and this was a
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  household favorite. Oh, lovely.
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  OK. It was one of the top hits of my
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  home, the multi rental, you know where it comes home every, you
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  know, few months, what have you. I don't know the exact numbers
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  on it, but it's up there with Die Hard, Back to the Future.
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  Wow, that esteem. I feel like it was, I could be
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  wrong. I mean, I didn't have the toy,
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  so obviously didn't impact us that much.
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  But 91, I mean, that's just a great year for me.
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  Things were really happening. I was coming into my own.
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  You know, teenager. Yeah.
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  Puberty, I think. Yeah, Yeah.
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  And this was really an outlet for me, this movie, to really
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  run away to the forest. Yeah, I wondered if you're
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  because of your country background.
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  I think it was filmed, actually. Yeah.
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  I wondered. If if this looked anything like
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  your backyard, did you come anywhere near the Sherwood
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  Forest? And some days, yeah, if you
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  didn't trim it, that's right. That's right.
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  Well, I think of like blank, empty fields.
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  And then I thought, well, maybe you've got a big forest behind
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  you. Who's to say?
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  I am to say there was not a forest directly behind me, there
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  was a field. OK.
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  Corn possibly, I imagine. Field, Field of Dreams even
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  might have been. But I could see forests like not
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  sure you know, far off into. Distance.
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  We have forests near where I grew up and we spent a lot of
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  time playing in there. So no.
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  Did you play like Robin Hood? Like, I don't know that
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  specifically. I remember playing a lot of 18,
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  probably a lot of guns back in the no arrows days.
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  No arrows, no a lot of guns. What have I got you?
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  No, you didn't. OK, then the honor system till
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  laser. Tag.
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  Then there was a. You could prove it.
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  Speaking of honor, it is that to be here.
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  I don't use that term often, no or lightly, and I don't have
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  any. But it is that to be here with
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  you and your wonderful new couch, that's very nice.
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  I like the color. Wonderful.
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  Yeah, it's not too blue, but it's blue enough.
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  I think that's what we're. Looking for, right, The sweet
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  spot, my friend. I want to throw it back to you,
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  if I may. What is your history with the
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  movie? It's easy to say that you've
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  seen it, but I want to know, did Phil at the age of, whatever,
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  12? Yeah.
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  Go to the theaters for this one. No, I don't remember seeing in
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  the theater. It's possible, but I don't have
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  any memory of it. I would suggest at that very
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  young age it was more video rental and the box.
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  I was going to say, this is probably on your precious.
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  Black Box, yeah, 100 percent, 100%.
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  But yeah, I didn't really start. I don't have a lot of memory of
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  going to movies like often until a little bit a few years later.
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  Yeah, I may, I I may have. But the movies came out to our
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  theater a little later. So I think in 91 we were getting
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  Star Wars, which was not called A New Hope at that point.
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  Actually, by then it might have been.
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  The original 77. It might have been a New Hope by
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  the time it got to us. Sure, packed our but.
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  Okay, yeah, it's a movie that I did not see in the theater.
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  However, I loved this movie when I was younger.
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  It was similar to what you're saying.
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  Real crowd, favorite family. Really liked it.
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  We bought it. We owned a lot of VHS back in
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  the day. As you can imagine, we're a a
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  family of physical media consumers.
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  I assumed you guys had beta as well but.
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  They did, but not, you know, before I was born.
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  So. They did.
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  They did. They did.
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  The folks. But yeah, so it was a movie I
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  loved. I remember really just enjoying
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  it. I I remember I didn't own the
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  toys, but remember the the commercials very well.
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  And I remember that the music video was on much music all the
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  time. The Bryan Adams everything I do
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  I Canadian you Canadian sure absolutely still is still.
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  He doesn't love that I don't think no, he lives in England.
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  He's got issues with CAN, con and.
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  He's always been a little bit reckless.
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  Yeah, that's right. Ever since the fateful summer of
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  69. That being said, I haven't seen
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  this movie in at least 20 years. That was actually my next
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  question. Yeah, Was the when was the last
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  time you ever saw? Because like yourself, I would
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  say that it's probably been minimum minimum over a decade.
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  Yeah, I would say maybe 20 years.
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  It's been a very long time. I think my brother owned the
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  DVD. He's got the flap.
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  The flap. Well this was the extended of
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  two flaps, so now it's like 2. Long flaps.
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  All right. Well, la di da.
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  But I don't, I never owned this movie.
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  I don't think I don't have any memory of ever owning in this
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  movie. Well, I would.
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  Maybe recommend it if it's, I don't know, maybe there's an
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  upgrade out there, Phillip. There Well, certainly from
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  nothing there's an upgrade to what I to what I don't have, I
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  think to having it I. Think we can get I think we can
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  get you at least the Blu-ray. I haven't seen a 4K copy of it
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  yet which I'm I'm surprised, but as we're in the movie there is a
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  couple of scenes that 4K might be not be too friendly.
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  To this to this. Movie, but we'll get to that as
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  it come. Morgan Creek iconic Ace Ventura
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  is a memory with that because I watched it so many times.
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  Totally. Correct me if I'm wrong, this
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  intro music is connected to something else which came first
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  or am I wrong? This was a Morgan Creek movie
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  with a Michael Cayman score. OK, that.
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  Is one of the most fantastic music scores and Morgan Creek
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  just went I'll take that and we'll use it as our as our title
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  theme. Can't blame them.
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  No, it's can't blame them. Perfect piece of music, so.
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  It's it's it's amazing and that's one thing this movie is
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  well known for. Is it soundtrack and it it's
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  right away. It's like, oh God, I love this
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  movie. It gives you.
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  I think I love this movie. It gets you.
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  Pumped right away and it gives you this real like soundscape.
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  It's almost like an overture because we're not getting, it's
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  not visuals, they're just like a tapestries and other things.
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  So you're locked into what the score is.
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  And from the opening note throughout, it's just
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  captivating and invigorating and exciting.
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  Like it's, it's an incredible piece of music.
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  It does as much as it can with Tapestry, Absolutely.
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  And this might be our first Tapestry intro, yeah.
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  Certainly, considering it's tapestry.
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  Did I say? Did I?
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  What did I say? Tapestry a couple of times.
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  It's come on. Well, that one's like notably
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  wrong. I have to correct that one.
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  Tapestry doesn't. I want to get my my incorrect
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  word out early on in the episode.
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  So, you know, little Easter eggs for the audience. 1194 AD Yeah,
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  that's where we are. Hell of a year.
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  Where were you? I was not in Gulag but appears
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  that Robin was and his good friend.
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  Azim, I'm not going to give you the whole name.
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  I don't. Remember, no, no, no, his actual
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  friend in there with him, Peter. Pete.
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  Yeah, yeah, I was. I was giving it to you while I
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  thought of the name, and luckily it came to me and not
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  fortunately, someone stole some bread.
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  That's where. But that's what brings us here
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  to this gulag or gulag. Have you ever stolen bread?
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  I think we need to get that out of the way.
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  No, but I did steal trunkle bars.
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  Yeah, we know about that. Bubble gum.
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  Actually. Not junk bars.
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  Bubble gum. Yeah, I admit it.
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  And you stole. You would steal little toy
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  parts. Oh, so you need a Yeah, for
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  sure. Yeah, yeah.
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  Junk your dog's chain. Roddy Piper's kilt.
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  Absolutely. What do you think about the the
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  the way they deal with crime back then?
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  Do you want to bring it back or it's a little harsh?
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  Well, now that my law breaking days are over, I think yeah.
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  No problem, bring it. Back.
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  Go ahead. Yeah.
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  Yeah. You know, chopping off a limb is
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  a little extreme. Maybe half a finger, yeah.
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  You know, fingers you can get around.
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  But just reminds you of brutal things were probably back in the
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  11th 12 hundreds, sure, absolutely dark ages.
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  Maybe, I don't know, my history is a little bit, you know, not
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  great. Well, it definitely was dark.
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  The movie and the caverns were definitely dark.
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  We get a nice little action scene to kind of kick off the
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  movie, yeah. You don't really know how he
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  gets out of this little predicament.
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  It kind of happens, kind of. Fast the geography of the movie,
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  at least in these kinds of scenes, they don't really hold
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  up. I, I was going to ask you
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  because at the beginning, once they just get out, I'm thinking,
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  did they give all the money to Bryan Adams and couldn't afford
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  a really good set? Because it was very like, this
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  is a set. Sure.
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  And I was, I didn't remember that as a kid.
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  I'm thinking that this is like really looks good for, you know,
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  91. Sure, sure.
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  But I could tell it was kind of built.
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  It was a couple of scenes for sure, that look.
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  I was out. Spoiler alert.
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  But yeah, no, it quickly, quickly passed.
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  Yeah, noticeable. It's just, it's an interesting
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  thing. You know, right off the bat I'll
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  say generally speaking, this movie is a let down.
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  Well, you're you're gonna say that.
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  Now I'm coming out and. That's not a hot take, just a
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  regular. Take it's a regular take and
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  it's not that the movie is bad, it's just that I maybe
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  remembered it being something else, or more specifically, I
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  watched the extended cut. Oh, don't do that.
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  And I think that there's, I think it's got some pacing
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  problems. How long is the extended cut for
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  those who don't know, including myself?
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  There's 23 extra minutes. OK, I believe you.
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  That's fine. I just so it seems like this I
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  was like, it's a lifeless action scene with geography.
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  That's a little bit messed up. Now this is different.
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  I'm watching this movie more as a, you know, 40 year old man as
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  opposed to a 12 year old boy. You're not 4.
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  So. But yeah, yeah, I agree.
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  So those things maybe didn't factor in or the stuff that I
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  thought was really great when I was young was enough to kind of
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  cover some of the stuff. I didn't think that was that
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  great. But I thought in watching this
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  time, it was a little less great than I remembered.
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  But in starting with this kind of early scene, I was sort of
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  that just as we described. I've wondered why there was such
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  flash and he was all of a sudden escaped and everybody's free and
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  they're just going, you know, just felt like, where's the
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  tension? It was tension free.
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  Yeah, other than losing the arm. And I have a question for you.
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  You've you've been known. You've been on the record for
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  forgiving some pretty terrible accent work over the years.
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  Yeah, I guess I have. Where do you think?
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  Zone. Yes, I was there.
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  Do you think that it's better or worse that Costner more or less
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  keeps his regular accent more or less?
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  Because he does not sometimes. He can come across as I need to
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  be good looking to be accepted in this role.
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  Sure, because he just talks to normal.
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  Like, he's like, pretty flat. Casual.
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  Flat. Yeah, a little too casual for
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  this role, sure, But I'm happy that he didn't really make an
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  attempt. Every once in a while, you'll
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  see it or you'll hear it. Sort of questionable.
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  Yeah. When he says, did you give
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  yourself this name? When he is finding out that
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  Azeem's name is a great one. It's funny, though.
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  It's a great, it's a funny line, but it's also like that's he.
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  That's like the first time in the movie when he sits down.
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  His first line in the movie is pretty close to being.
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  This is English courage. When he puts his hand on the you
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  know. American English courage.
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  Yeah, I was sort. Of thinking like, what a funny
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  choice to have is his first line delivered in such an American
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  accent. Now, I don't typically care
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  about things like this because similar to a movie like Hunt for
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  Red October, which we watched, Yes.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  We're going to get a little Russia in there, Russian in
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  there. They did it a new way and that.
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  Totally. But I don't care that Russian,
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  Soviet, Lithuanian commander is actually Scottish Sean Connery.
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  That doesn't bother me enough to Take Me Out of the movie.
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  I just thought this one at the time was such a a bit of a buzz
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  and it made me remember Robin Hood Men in Tights.
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  If you recall that movie, I haven't seen it spoof and I just
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  remember the trailer in particular.
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  I've seen the movie, but I remember the trailer in
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  particular where someone looks up and says, well, why should we
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  trust you and Carrie? Elwis says.
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  Because unlike other Robin Hood's, I speak in an English
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  accent. So it was a dig, it was a thing
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  in the air that he was not sort of the proper Englishman.
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  No, I'm OK with that. I mean, I do have a soft spot
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  for Kevy. Sure.
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  Wow. We've done some great films of
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  his. Yeah, one we did.
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  Untouchables. Thank you very much.
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  You let me finish. I was just counting on my
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  fingers, all right. Yeah, well, he's great.
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  I think he's great and I think he's good in this.
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  He has, he has, he does have presence.
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  Yeah, like on screen presence. Let's move away a little bit, if
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  you could, from Kevin for a moment.
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  And this that's Fast forward, if you're OK with this, of course,
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  four months, 4-4 months. Yes, later escaped with Azim.
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  Can't shake him. He can't shake him.
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  You wish you could. Well, he owes a life debt.
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  Yeah, we've seen this before in a movie.
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  I assume you don't know which one, but he hired the guys to
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  kind of, like, kill him, basically.
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  Or at least deter him from keeping with them.
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  And that fails, and then they're buddies.
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  Basically, yes. I wondered that scene, why that
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  just it's so quick. These things happen.
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  It's like they turn on him and they're dispatched so quickly
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  that there's no drama, there's no tension.
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  I remember this being a little bit more impactful when I was.
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  Yeah, and like, I thought there was a moment and there isn't,
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  and now they're buddies without any real reason for it other
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  than I'm your servant, like I'm your guy.
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  I tried, yeah. That's what he says.
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  Well, I had to try. Yeah, that's it.
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  OK. He's doing Snow angels in the
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  Water coster to me, who is an actor I really like, as we've
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  talked about, is really a weak link in this movie.
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  Now that's not just a regular. Take No, it's at least.
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  Warm. And there's a couple of these
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  early scenes where I'm just like, I'm not feeling with this
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  guy later. I think he granted, grows into
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  it. But these early scenes, I'm just
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  like, I don't, I don't know this guy as this character.
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  I think I'm forced to agree with.
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  And he's supposed to play younger.
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  I think he's like I. Mean he's only 32 in this I
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  believe. I don't know, there's something
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  that's sort of off from his performance, I think.
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  Yeah, again, I am. I do agree with you to a certain
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  degree. I want to hear your thoughts.
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  In the meantime, this may have already happened.
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  His dad, he's writing a letter wondering about where his son
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  is. If you recall, he's doing a bit
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  of a voice over. If you recall, he's having inner
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  thought. Is it the king?
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  Yeah, it's the king. Well, it's his.
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  King, I guess. Yeah.
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  Not King Richard though. No, no, Later, Later, later.
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  He's off. But what I'm listening to him do
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  is little inner thoughts voice over.
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  Writing, so it's a narration. Of narration.
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  Sorry. Thank you, Phillip.
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  It sounds like you're calling Moviefone a little bit.
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  That voice is very much like, yeah, let me look at this.
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  Why don't you just tell me what's going on with my son?
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  That's right. I like the visual of this scene.
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  OK. Good.
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  Like coming out, being lured out.
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  I like the betrayal. You like betrayal?
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  Just in general, this era, this is like that.
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  How that goes. One of the things I liked about
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  a show like ATV show like the Game of Thrones or whatnot, is.
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  That I haven't seen it. The Betrayal and the behind the
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  the kind of inner workings of these families and how they're
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  trying to all struggling for power and scrambling for
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  different ways in or out a lot of.
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  That going on. Yeah, and it's really, it's a
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  great show for the first few years and this I liked.
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  So luring them in, coming out to the row of of enemies and
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  introduction of Mr. Rickman. Allen.
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  Allen Rickman as the sheriff. Yeah, pulling down the master I
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  remember vividly from the trailer, and the King just rides
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  in on his horse basically to get mauled.
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  It's really a poor strategy, like kamikaze.
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  I feel that Rickman, not him himself, because he's reading
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  the script, he's doing his job and he has a well, as we know,
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  still a line from Darth Vader, you know, same line.
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  Join us or die. Is it the Luke I believe?
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  OK, I wouldn't say that to my son.
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  I. Wouldn't say he said die though.
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  Join us or die. Something like that.
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  I'll look into it at The Empire Strikes Back, I believe when
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  just before he cuts off his hand.
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  Kind of Dark Ages and and the Empire, sure.
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  Sure, a long time ago. The second time I watched this
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  movie, though, I made sure to make eye contact with Duncan.
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  Because we're not going to see. Those eyes.
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  No. You want to take them in while
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  you can? Yeah, I do.
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  It's. Only a moment where you can
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  Really. Kind of.
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  I paused it. Yeah.
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  Let me look at your eyes. Gazed.
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  For a moment, yeah. Poor guy, Poor guy.
• 17:31
  Yeah, the King is racing overrun and and Duncan, we assume,
• 17:35
  survives. Well, I don't.
• 17:36
  I didn't assume that the first time Mom watched it when I was a
• 17:39
  young lad. Assumed he perished.
• 17:41
  Actually. I was pleasantly surprised when
• 17:43
  he came up a little while later. Wishes he were dead.
• 17:46
  Yeah, I bet he yes, he's a funny character.
• 17:49
  We get and we get Michael Wincott, who you don't have any
• 17:52
  record election of. Should I?
• 17:54
  I mean, I think I love this guy's voice.
• 17:56
  I've always loved his voice most specifically from this movie at
• 17:58
  first, but he was in the crow couple years later he was an
• 18:01
  alien resurrection. More recently was in a movie
• 18:04
  called Nope, Jordan Peele movie. He plays cinematographer.
• 18:08
  He was fantastic in that. He just got a great voice.
• 18:10
  I really love him. He he was also in a movie called
• 18:14
  Strange Days, may or may not remember.
• 18:19
  It's coming off the shelf early next year.
• 18:23
  Yeah, early next year. It might be.
• 18:24
  It might kick things off 2026. So but yeah, anyway, a great
• 18:30
  actor. I really like him and and he's
• 18:32
  in this chasing after a young boy Wolf, they call him he's.
• 18:35
  A deer killer. Sure, as he should be.
• 18:37
  As he, as most people should be. You know hate deer.
• 18:40
  This is the old days, you know, and eat, got to eat.
• 18:43
  Got what I don't really understand.
• 18:46
  Again, as a kid I just like this character a lot but in watching
• 18:48
  it this time he sucks. Not the actor, the character.
• 18:52
  Characters like he doesn't succeed one time.
• 18:54
  No. He he fails on every mission he
• 18:56
  ever goes out on. All of his men die with ease.
• 19:00
  He's. Never a threat.
• 19:01
  He's the cousin though. He just.
• 19:03
  He got the job because he's the. Cousin, right?
• 19:04
  He knows a guy. Yeah.
• 19:05
  When I think about this movie, when I think about remembering
• 19:08
  what happened, I remember Michael Wincott and like this
• 19:10
  cool character and this he's. Like the Roscoe?
• 19:13
  He's nothing in this. It's crazy to me that how
• 19:17
  inferior his character is. Yeah, he looks evil and he and
• 19:21
  he has demeanors. He's.
• 19:22
  Got the voice. Yeah, he's great.
• 19:24
  And I kind of enjoyed the Azeem's part of this where he's.
• 19:29
  Got to pray. Yeah.
• 19:31
  So he's got to pray and he's checks out, by the way, just so
• 19:34
  you know, that's correct. It's very good, very good.
• 19:37
  And we have a moment where Costner Locksley Robin is, you
• 19:41
  know, like, hey, you said you were going to save my life and
• 19:43
  he says I'll do it when I'm ready.
• 19:45
  It's kind of defeats the purpose a little bit.
• 19:46
  And here you are alive. So obviously he's fine.
• 19:49
  But anyway, it's. Trying to be funny.
• 19:50
  It is funny. It is funny.
• 19:51
  You think? Here's a good question is that
• 19:53
  does this movie's reliance on comedy help or hinder the movie,
• 19:58
  in your opinion? I would say it balances the
• 20:02
  sheets. OK.
• 20:03
  Whatever that means, I know. It's someone who's married doing
• 20:07
  a. I know, I know.
• 20:08
  I don't think it. I don't think it hurts.
• 20:09
  I don't know how much it helps, but I certainly don't mind that
• 20:12
  it's there and I have a bit of a a giggle or a chuckle, but.
• 20:16
  Yeah, I think my maybe my issue is that it's not funny.
• 20:18
  It's not like the the things that it wants to be funny, like
• 20:21
  a line like did you give yourself this name?
• 20:23
  That's funny. That's probably the funny, but
• 20:24
  that's maybe the funniest line in the whole movie.
• 20:26
  And yet there's three or four other times where they'll have a
• 20:28
  little witticism or whatever else and I'll just, it falls
• 20:31
  flat to me. And at certain times the tone,
• 20:34
  then it gets a little bit off as far as I'm concerned.
• 20:37
  Comedy and age well in this movie.
• 20:39
  It's funny though when you bring it up.
• 20:40
  We both really enjoyed it younger.
• 20:42
  I think part of it is you remember the parts you like and
• 20:45
  then you don't remember the other parts because it's
• 20:47
  obviously I'm sort of already waiting for.
• 20:49
  Later, you're always rushing. Yeah, you're always racing for
• 20:53
  that. Thing can't live in the now.
• 20:56
  No, I got a real problem with that.
• 20:57
  What I don't have a problem with is with witches.
• 21:00
  No, you're, you're a witch guy I.
• 21:01
  Think they're just misunderstood.
• 21:03
  I enjoy Shannen Doherty and charm.
• 21:05
  I enjoy Rose McGowan and. You definitely Rose McGowan, Guy
• 21:10
  A. 100% absolutely in 96 or five, whenever watching Scream,
• 21:16
  this was the greatest, this is the peak.
• 21:18
  Not my type, I actually didn't watch charm, just so you know.
• 21:19
  And I actually do have a problem with witches.
• 21:21
  Okay, well, Charmed also stars Holly Marie Combs, who you may
• 21:25
  remember from the poker game in Ocean's 11.
• 21:28
  Oh yes, visually, their face. That's we talked about that one
• 21:31
  Alyssa Milano as well and then. I you may have a my brother had
• 21:36
  many a poster of Alyssa Milano. He's 3 year old, three years
• 21:39
  older than me. So we're talking, you know, for
• 21:41
  him prime time. But I partook.
• 21:43
  Yeah. I watched that Poison Ivy or
• 21:45
  whatever. Was that a two?
• 21:47
  Yeah, it was. A2 OK, yeah, yeah.
• 21:48
  Well, that be ones with Drew Barrymore.
• 21:50
  Yes, that's right. Edgy, but it's back to the
• 21:54
  witch. Are you OK that she's a bit of a
• 21:56
  predictor of the future? Is that?
• 21:59
  Yeah, I think that that's the world they're living in this era
• 22:01
  is. That a witch?
• 22:02
  Thing though, I guess, well, I think if you can foresee the
• 22:04
  future, you'd be considered a witch whether you are actually a
• 22:06
  witch or not. The egg in the blood.
• 22:09
  Did that kind of gross you out? No, no, the spit later, that's
• 22:13
  what grows. She's a Hawker.
• 22:14
  She's a Hawker. She's a Hawker.
• 22:16
  I don't like hawkers. No, You know, people walking
• 22:18
  down the street and like, you know.
• 22:20
  No, come on. Disgusting.
• 22:21
  Do that at. Privacy your own home, please.
• 22:23
  People at best, at best, or not at all.
• 22:26
  Yeah, but we'll get more of her a little bit later because she's
• 22:29
  going to have some big scenes. Yeah, she's big.
• 22:31
  She ends up becoming a pretty strong focal point of the to the
• 22:35
  turning point of this movie, The plot.
• 22:36
  Yeah, problematic. Dad's dead.
• 22:39
  Dad is dead. You know, I like movies with
• 22:41
  daddy issues. Yeah, this is unresolved.
• 22:45
  It is right. Costner once again doesn't know,
• 22:48
  doesn't his relationship with his father where he left it,
• 22:50
  that's true. It doesn't concile the two very.
• 22:53
  Similar to FOD. That's right, doesn't believe
• 22:56
  that he was a devil worshipper. No, check the tape there.
• 23:00
  Question about best. But he's coming back and he sees
• 23:03
  that. He's obviously, I say obviously
• 23:05
  because the shot doesn't really do a lot of.
• 23:07
  This movie keeps it pretty clean.
• 23:09
  Yeah, there's a lot of screen. I know you would.
• 23:11
  I. Would like to see a little more
• 23:12
  of the. Gross, I know you're sick.
• 23:13
  But he wonders why Duncan didn't bring and cut him down.
• 23:16
  Yes, why have you left him here? I think he's got a pretty valid
• 23:20
  excuse. Yep, it's the one time you get
• 23:22
  the write off. Hey, I can't see like, come on.
• 23:24
  Work with me here. Yes, I like this Duncan
• 23:27
  character. What are your thoughts?
• 23:28
  As a sidekick, because he's really just there as a bit of a
• 23:30
  sidekick. Yeah.
• 23:31
  No, I I have. Believe me.
• 23:32
  I have no issues with Duncan. Yeah, not at all.
• 23:34
  Name close. I thought generally speaking,
• 23:37
  the makeup looked, well, like looked good throughout the whole
• 23:39
  movie. I felt bad.
• 23:40
  I mean, I really felt bad for the guy.
• 23:42
  Nice old guy. Yeah, very.
• 23:43
  What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?
• 23:45
  Oil. Right, that's all you can hope
• 23:46
  for. That's all you can hope for.
• 23:55
  Robin's an honorable man, seemingly he takes the ring from
• 23:59
  the guy in the prison, he says. Say his name.
• 24:01
  Give this Peter. Peter comes and says here, get
• 24:05
  this to Marian. They're brother and sister Peter
• 24:07
  and Marian, just so you know. Gotcha.
• 24:09
  So what does Robin do when his father is dead and he figures
• 24:13
  out I need something to do with my life?
• 24:15
  Goes to see Marian fulfills the oath.
• 24:17
  I respect that. I knew.
• 24:19
  I knew you would. And.
• 24:21
  It's a it's a nice. I like this scene overall.
• 24:23
  Like the introduction of Marian and her doppel.
• 24:25
  Not sorry I was going to say doppelganger but they do not
• 24:27
  look like not quite. I remember being fooled, I
• 24:29
  think. The first time.
• 24:31
  Why wouldn't I be? You know I'm an idiot.
• 24:34
  Still am. I just happened to have seen the
• 24:35
  movie. That's right.
• 24:36
  That's right. I, I thought it was really kind
• 24:38
  of, that's a clever scene. Generally speaking, I thought
• 24:40
  his performance is really good in that this is one of those
• 24:42
  it's not really like hilarious, but it's the way it's played.
• 24:45
  I thought for laughs is really smart and he gets to act a
• 24:49
  little like perform right, like the years have been kind to you
• 24:52
  right exactly playing it up and then and then obviously Marion
• 24:56
  attacking from the side and they get.
• 24:58
  Into a little move. Good move.
• 24:59
  I thought this was a pretty great scene, generally speaking.
• 25:02
  I thought it was like engaging in performances and it was a
• 25:04
  great introduction of Marion, who unfortunately, it does a
• 25:08
  disservice to her character throughout the rest of the movie
• 25:12
  because as an introduction, strong, I'm thinking assertive,
• 25:15
  strong, deceptive when needed, clever, ahead of the game.
• 25:20
  They have a system in place, so this and that good system.
• 25:23
  And then what ends up happening is almost immediately, once
• 25:25
  Robin shows up, she's either not on screen for a big chunk of it,
• 25:31
  yeah. Or when she is on screen, she's
• 25:34
  really just the side, you know, just have any weight.
• 25:37
  Doesn't have a real character side, babe.
• 25:39
  Yeah. Doesn't really have any any
• 25:42
  merit, right? In some weird ways.
• 25:44
  Well, watch the Abyss because she gets back into a more.
• 25:47
  Yeah, she's great. The Abyss.
• 25:48
  So that's, you know, been a long time since I watched that, which
• 25:51
  does have a 4K upgrade, I believe.
• 25:52
  Yeah, it's right there. OK, there it is.
• 25:54
  As he points to his galactic shelf.
• 25:59
  You're laughing as we get to another funny moment.
• 26:02
  Yeah. Yes.
• 26:04
  Azim, if I can call him that. He wants you to.
• 26:07
  Yeah, that's true. Has.
• 26:09
  What do you call those things? Telescope.
• 26:11
  Telescope. Yeah.
• 26:12
  Or like a single binocular. 1A1 eyed binocular.
• 26:15
  Yes. That's the original name.
• 26:17
  Yeah. Hands it to Robin and Robin
• 26:19
  looks in it. Then he starts swinging his
• 26:21
  sword as if they're right in front of them.
• 26:22
  Yeah. And Azim pokes a little bit of
• 26:24
  fun at him because he's an idiot.
• 26:26
  He's Tom. Exactly.
• 26:28
  I'm not sure what year it was invented, so maybe there's
• 26:30
  justification to be calling him an idiot.
• 26:33
  My note is funny, but a tone problem.
• 26:36
  Like I was like, does the movie have a tone problem now?
• 26:39
  And I don't think it does as the rest of the movie goes.
• 26:41
  But a couple of these jokes I have come at times where I'm
• 26:44
  thinking, where's the drama? It's it's a challenge because my
• 26:48
  memory is, I think if you'd asked me would be an A
• 26:50
  rollicking action movie with some romance thrown in because I
• 26:53
  know that song so well. Yes, of course.
• 26:55
  And then I think that. 'D be would be fair for someone
• 26:57
  to say. When I watched it, started to
• 27:00
  watch it, I would think drama and less action than I
• 27:06
  remembered, but then the humor I had no memory of.
• 27:11
  None of the jokes stuck out all these years later.
• 27:13
  Yeah, you didn't get it. So now I was like, OK, well, is
• 27:15
  the drama being undercut by this kind of mediocre comedy?
• 27:18
  So something like this, where we've watched people die, lose
• 27:23
  their hands, fight, kill. Let's Dad's dead.
• 27:26
  Let's lighten the mood. I guess, but it just feels
• 27:28
  totally a little off. OK, but well, I thought it was
• 27:32
  kind of funny still. OK, well, I'm glad it didn't
• 27:34
  take you all the way out. We got you right back in because
• 27:37
  we are on. The way the forest.
• 27:40
  That's right, right? Yep.
• 27:41
  Sherwood Forest. Sherwood Forest.
• 27:43
  For those who don't know the name, love the Sherwood Forest
• 27:46
  playset. Yeah.
• 27:47
  Did you have it? You didn't.
• 27:48
  Have it that didn't have it. But I love watching the
• 27:49
  commercial forest. This is great.
• 27:51
  And actually, in watching this movie, I'm thinking this would
• 27:53
  make a great toy. Yeah, it's a great stage, a
• 27:56
  great set. Sorry, it's unavailable on
• 27:58
  Amazon. Who knows?
• 27:59
  Sure. Everyone's afraid to go into
• 28:01
  this Sherwood Forest, but that's really their only option because
• 28:05
  we got, we got a wounded horse, a blind guy.
• 28:08
  Yeah. And they're being chase.
• 28:10
  Yep. So they're going to go in.
• 28:12
  They're going into the forest. Going in, going in deep.
• 28:15
  And it's. Dangerous, is it?
• 28:17
  And there's nothing more dangerous than Christian Slater.
• 28:20
  Well, I mean, it was my birthday recently, as I mentioned, so I
• 28:23
  got to watch Star Trek 6 was my choice.
• 28:26
  Nice. Nice.
• 28:27
  Christian Slater in that, Yeah. We talked about it available in
• 28:29
  the archives. Yeah, yeah, it's nice little
• 28:31
  tree. Shows up in The West Wing as
• 28:33
  well randomly in season 3 I think.
• 28:35
  Yeah. Who knows why had him in
• 28:36
  Windtalker where he he loses his head.
• 28:39
  Yes, he literally. Yeah, he does.
• 28:40
  That's great. Literally, yeah.
• 28:42
  He sucks. He sucks.
• 28:44
  I like I I love Broken Arrow. Pump up the volume, OK, Like I
• 28:48
  fucking love pump up the volume. OK.
• 28:51
  I I would love to see that movie again.
• 28:53
  No. One's stopping you.
• 28:55
  But I pump up, the volume is amazing and he's great in it.
• 28:58
  What year did that come out? Probably the same 94934
• 29:01
  somewhere in that region. Yeah, he was.
• 29:04
  He was a thing. He's.
• 29:05
  A. A thing.
• 29:06
  He was a thing. He was in mobster, he was in a
• 29:07
  movie called Untamed Heart, which the original working title
• 29:11
  of it was Baboon Heart. Would you go see a movie called
• 29:14
  Baboon Heart? No, I mean, you can't get me in
• 29:17
  the theater. That's.
• 29:18
  True, you know, can't even see something you want to see, so
• 29:20
  that's fair. That's fair.
• 29:21
  Nonetheless, he is the first guy I think we see.
• 29:24
  Yeah. Drips him.
• 29:25
  Yeah, Does he does drip? Him tells a tail does a joke.
• 29:27
  Oh yeah, he I wrote down. He can.
• 29:29
  He can rhyme. Yes, he falls in the river and
• 29:31
  now watch him shiver. Yeah, that's good.
• 29:33
  Clever there. We go now and then we have
• 29:36
  Little John. Yes, and I assumed it was a.
• 29:38
  Penis thing, of course, but you're a sicko.
• 29:43
  But only assume. Yeah, this Sherwood Forest scene
• 29:46
  again, I just remembered it being more so if trips right
• 29:49
  away and then he gets his ass kicked for the next 7 minutes. 3
• 29:53
  minutes. TA.
• 29:54
  And he wins basically one of these battles, if you can call
• 29:59
  it that. Yeah, if it was the best of
• 30:00
  three, he's not winning. I don't know what.
• 30:02
  And all of a sudden it's like, OK, well, you beat me once.
• 30:05
  Yeah. Little John loses one time.
• 30:07
  Exactly. He has to.
• 30:08
  And he's got a yield. He gives the thing back.
• 30:10
  He's he's now I. Just want your name.
• 30:12
  Right, like I was like, this is not and the action sequence it
• 30:16
  again, it's 1991 and come on, I'll give a little bit of
• 30:19
  credit, but this is a see, this is post die hard post predator.
• 30:24
  I think, I guess that man, the budget mostly went to Bryan
• 30:26
  Adams. Let's be let's be honest,
• 30:28
  between Kevin and Brian, not a whole lot of bread left.
• 30:32
  I guess. OK, yeah.
• 30:34
  Anyway, I just, I, I like the introduction of, of the sort of
• 30:37
  merry men, as it were. I just felt let down a little
• 30:40
  bit by that and the joke of do yield, do yield.
• 30:44
  And he's like, I can't swim. And he's like, well, now you can
• 30:47
  stand up cuz he was, it's like 2 feet of like water.
• 30:50
  I think that. It's a weak.
• 30:53
  It's a weak. Scene What are we doing?
• 30:54
  Is he? What are we doing here?
• 30:56
  Well, John, yeah, like you see that he's not.
• 30:58
  I get the impression this group of people maybe didn't go to.
• 31:00
  School, I'm very smart, but at the same time, water, I mean the
• 31:03
  ground, you know, I just feel like you've got some sense of.
• 31:06
  You would think they wouldn't be, maybe smart speaking wise,
• 31:09
  but they're resourceful because they're in a situation where you
• 31:12
  have to survive. So I'm saying if I'm standing
• 31:14
  next to you and you're standing in the water next to me and
• 31:19
  sometimes and it goes up to your knee, I think on the balance of
• 31:23
  probabilities I could probably stand up in the water next to
• 31:28
  you and have the water go up to my knee.
• 31:30
  When people are in water, the problem that occurs is a panic.
• 31:34
  Yeah, Little John is panicking, sure, and I think he should be a
• 31:37
  little more sensitive towards water panic.
• 31:49
  They're all buddies now, yes. Oh, that's Will Scarlett.
• 31:52
  Don't mind him. Yeah, he's just your
• 31:56
  run-of-the-mill pup. Whelp.
• 31:58
  And I do want to back you up on the fact that Robin Hood, played
• 32:02
  by the great Kevin Costner, is a man of honor and all those good
• 32:06
  things because they're sharing a beverage, I believe.
• 32:10
  Mead. Mead.
• 32:11
  Is that what it is? That's beer, basically.
• 32:13
  OK, OK, OK. And they weren't including
• 32:16
  Morgan Freeman. As he's a Moore, he's a I don't
• 32:19
  like him, I don't like him. He's a savage.
• 32:21
  He's a painted man, they say. Yeah.
• 32:23
  And then Robin's like we're all savages.
• 32:26
  All right, Yeah, take a minute. Aren't we all really think about
• 32:30
  it? Yeah, but.
• 32:31
  Azim is Muslim and he will not drink.
• 32:33
  So that's they they stay true to that.
• 32:34
  So that is a moment. So you.
• 32:36
  Know they got the East and they got the drinking part.
• 32:38
  So Cassie Morgan Freeman as a Muslim I think is.
• 32:42
  They've done all research here. No, I wouldn't say they're all
• 32:45
  buddy buddy, but he's somewhat, you know.
• 32:48
  Well, Costner is definitely a buddy buddy at this point.
• 32:50
  Yeah, well, he is. He wants some and a friend of
• 32:52
  his. He's got to be a friend of
• 32:54
  yours. That's right.
• 32:55
  And nobody likes him later too, right?
• 32:57
  The the Friar has an issue with him.
• 32:59
  Nobody wants him around. Duncan doesn't want him around.
• 33:01
  Can't even see him. Can't even see him.
• 33:02
  Doesn't want him. Come on, what a Dick.
• 33:06
  It's rough news. Phil, how much you think you're
• 33:09
  worth, dead or alive? Well, you know, having just.
• 33:11
  In terms of. Gold.
• 33:12
  A couple of silver pieces. I don't know if even worth of
• 33:16
  gold. Well, Robin's worth 100 gold.
• 33:19
  Pieces. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:20
  It's not nothing. It's.
• 33:21
  Not nothing. I don't know the conversion, I
• 33:24
  don't know what's worth what back then.
• 33:26
  Seems probably like a fair amount.
• 33:27
  He seems less than impressed by that.
• 33:29
  He wants more. He thinks he's worth more.
• 33:32
  At least 150. That's right.
• 33:33
  Around this time that he discovers this, he runs into old
• 33:37
  Sheriff of Naudingham. Yeah.
• 33:39
  And gives him a nice little slice on the face.
• 33:41
  Yeah, kind of a little abrupt. And we're getting to called.
• 33:44
  For if you ask me. Who knows what?
• 33:46
  Well, I guess he did kill his dad.
• 33:48
  Yeah, but like, you know, they prove it, though.
• 33:53
  Yeah, there's obviously a reason for for it.
• 33:55
  So he carves him out on his face.
• 33:57
  This scene, however, has my least favorite line.
• 33:59
  I know we like to play this game.
• 34:01
  You do. I do.
• 34:02
  You don't participate. There's a moment where he slices
• 34:05
  his face. He goes to escape and he talks.
• 34:09
  Nottingham is yelling to carve out his heart with a spoon.
• 34:13
  And then Costner looks down from his escape hatch and says.
• 34:17
  Then it begins, doesn't it though?
• 34:19
  And runs away. And I just thought, what does
• 34:21
  that mean? Then it begins.
• 34:23
  It begins. What begins?
• 34:25
  Begins the. You know the.
• 34:26
  Begins the beginning. Back and forth.
• 34:28
  There's going to be, you know. Yeah, I get it.
• 34:30
  It's fine. It's just it's a poorly written,
• 34:32
  poorly delivered line that sticks out to me like a sore
• 34:35
  thumb. I don't like it either.
• 34:36
  So I was like, then it begins. Just feels out of place, doesn't
• 34:39
  fit to me. I want to like it because you
• 34:41
  don't. Sure, that's good.
• 34:43
  But reason? But I don't.
• 34:44
  I don't I love it, but it does. Begin.
• 34:46
  Yes. And what does begin?
• 34:48
  This is a montage. It's time for the montage.
• 34:51
  One of my favorites. And then I think now we're
• 34:53
  getting sort of to the point of the movie where like, OK, my
• 34:57
  memory is coming back to why I like this.
• 34:59
  This is the scenes I remember and you get excited about these
• 35:03
  types of scenes and I can't, I don't know what the word is for
• 35:06
  it, but the memories of certain movies and certain scenes.
• 35:09
  This is in a category. There are certain scenes that
• 35:12
  are in that, sure. And it is montage related I
• 35:16
  think. Easier to remember.
• 35:18
  There's kind of, there isn't a real good musical cue to this.
• 35:22
  I don't remember. Like it didn't stick out to
• 35:23
  being. It's good score all around,
• 35:25
  don't be wrong, but I think about something like the Rocky
• 35:27
  movies. Those montages have really
• 35:29
  rousing songs, heavy on the yeah, yeah, this one, it doesn't
• 35:34
  stick out, but it is a great montage.
• 35:36
  It absolutely. We get some weapon making on the
• 35:39
  side of the forest people. Yep.
• 35:42
  A little bit like my Swiss Family Robinson, also available.
• 35:45
  In the I've been thinking about that movie for the last 35
• 35:47
  seconds, buddy. Do you remember the music in
• 35:50
  that? No, I don't.
• 35:51
  No, that's what I do remember the excitement of prepping for
• 35:54
  the that was that's that's epic and that's that that movie is in
• 35:58
  that same category where forget about the rest of the movie, but
• 36:00
  that. One scene.
• 36:01
  Yeah, yeah, fantastic. Yeah.
• 36:02
  They're training them all to kind of fight.
• 36:04
  They're doing different styles, different weapons.
• 36:07
  They're not very good. Well, they're get there.
• 36:09
  They're Ragtag Bunch. They're Ragtag Bunch.
• 36:11
  I'm not. Saying they're not going to get
• 36:12
  there. I'm saying at this point they're
• 36:13
  not there. They're not there.
• 36:14
  They barely started. Give them a break and you think
• 36:17
  they would be, you know, their survival.
• 36:19
  Well, they've been they already are doing the the bow staff
• 36:22
  fighting on the river with Robin, and now somehow they're
• 36:25
  all dumb. I don't know how long.
• 36:28
  Have they been in this? Forest for that's what I want to
• 36:29
  know. You can't just just do it.
• 36:32
  Now here's a thing that really sticks out from this because it
• 36:36
  is the trailer moment. It's the it's the commercial for
• 36:39
  the for the Burger King combo. It's the commercial for the
• 36:44
  toys. It's the CGI arrow which in
• 36:50
  yeah, it's on the cover. Isn't it?
• 36:51
  It's. Well that's later OK, but but
• 36:54
  that CGI moment is iconic for this.
• 36:59
  I think it looks great. It held up.
• 37:02
  You know, like it looks a little bit painted like, you know,
• 37:04
  whatever, it's fine, but it works.
• 37:06
  I think it's, I think it's still a pretty cool moment all things
• 37:09
  considered. If you don't, if you're not
• 37:10
  noticing it and you're not making excuses for it.
• 37:13
  Like it's 91. I think it's a success.
• 37:16
  It helps that it's small. Yeah, that's what she said.
• 37:19
  It helps you. More or less I feel like we have
• 37:23
  here in the next, like, you know, a few scenes is kind of a
• 37:26
  power struggle between the the forest people, if I can call
• 37:30
  them that. Sure.
• 37:31
  And merry men. Yeah, the merry men and the
• 37:33
  sheriff's men. Yep, sure.
• 37:35
  And his cousin. Yeah.
• 37:36
  So you hit us, we'll hit you back sort of thing.
• 37:38
  And that's really what we have for the next few scenes.
• 37:41
  One of the biggest parts of that scene physically as well as a
• 37:46
  Friar Tuck. That's right, coming on the
• 37:48
  heels of taking money from other right the Robin Hood robbing.
• 37:53
  People and. The Friar situation, what are
• 37:55
  your thoughts on that? Well, you know, he's hard
• 37:57
  headed. Yeah, Friar Tuck is.
• 37:59
  He just didn't want to. And he's hungry.
• 38:02
  A bit of a drinker. I get the impression that he has
• 38:05
  a bit of a problem, perhaps that he is literally on the wagon.
• 38:09
  Yeah, I don't know which one off the wagon or on the wagon, but
• 38:11
  he's definitely on the wagon. Yes, on the wagon would be
• 38:14
  sober, yeah. So he's off the wagon.
• 38:15
  He's. On the wagon while driving the
• 38:17
  wagon. But nonetheless, do you like him
• 38:20
  as a character? No, OK.
• 38:22
  I think as an actor, if you remember, he is in Office Space.
• 38:27
  Yeah. Yeah, OK, he's the hypnotist.
• 38:29
  OK, He is pretending to remember.
• 38:32
  Also, in Whose Line Is It Anyway?
• 38:35
  TV guy, He's all. Over Oh my God, yes, I I watched
• 38:39
  that show religiously. The original British version, if
• 38:43
  you recall that had styles and and mockery, of course, but the
• 38:46
  British host before Carrie and he appeared yes, so good.
• 38:50
  I'm impressed. That's TV, buddy.
• 38:53
  Thought you might be that's TV, but yeah, I think the character
• 38:55
  just over the top silly drunken guy again tonally doesn't seem
• 38:58
  to fit. I connected, yeah, not bad, just
• 39:03
  like it. It just anything that was.
• 39:05
  That's him. That's what.
• 39:06
  Is there a character? I think it was already always
• 39:08
  known as that. I think I.
• 39:09
  Don't know that I know the cartoon of the story.
• 39:11
  But you're not. Eh, the only other Robin Hood I
• 39:14
  may have ever watched is the Disney version.
• 39:17
  There probably wasn't a drunk version of the Friar in the
• 39:19
  Russell Crowe. Never saw it, no.
• 39:21
  I have no interest in the Robin Hood myth, really.
• 39:23
  The Robin Hood story is not one that's been exciting to me.
• 39:26
  Why we're on it, though. The Russell Crowe movie, which
• 39:28
  you know from the video store, though, because it's on the
• 39:31
  wall. Yes, absolutely.
• 39:32
  In that in that time that we work together, it's one of those
• 39:35
  movies that I want so badly to be good.
• 39:38
  Yeah. And I've watched it.
• 39:40
  I own it on 4K and it's just not good.
• 39:44
  But I, I'm not going to anytime soon because we're doing this.
• 39:47
  But I still, I'm holding out hope that there is a good movie
• 39:50
  in there. But if you haven't seen it,
• 39:52
  don't. Yeah, it's another one of those
• 39:54
  Ridley Scott movies that I just and Russell Crowe combination
• 39:56
  and I had no interest in it. Yeah, and I'm not the, you know,
• 40:00
  I'm not a huge Woodley Scott fan.
• 40:01
  Like I wouldn't see everything he does.
• 40:03
  You would think that would be, but translated been enough, but
• 40:05
  it's not. It was not.
• 40:07
  No. I didn't really have any
• 40:08
  interest in it at the time and don't really have much right
• 40:10
  now. 6 at best. That's your sweet spot.
• 40:13
  Yeah, another character we went on record saying isn't very good
• 40:16
  and really should watch his six. Yeah, Is the cousin.
• 40:20
  Yeah, because he lost all that gold.
• 40:22
  All of it, he just he's so dejected when he's talking to
• 40:25
  the to to sheriff of we lost all the men, we lost all the horses,
• 40:30
  we lost all the like this guy is like the worst bot.
• 40:34
  And the good news is Rickman as the sheriff doesn't he's out,
• 40:38
  he's done and stabs him and cold blood, old blood, and then says
• 40:44
  one of my favorite lines, at least it wasn't a spoon, which
• 40:47
  he had questioned him earlier. Why a spoon?
• 40:49
  Because it would hurt a lot. Now, generally speaking,
• 40:52
  Rickman, we're going to get into a little bit more as we go.
• 40:54
  But we haven't done him. Justice yet?
• 40:56
  No. So let's take a moment, please.
• 40:58
  And he plays Hans Gruber with such, to me, sophistication.
• 41:04
  Yeah, he's a very sophisticated terrorist and here.
• 41:07
  He is so over the top. Do you enjoy his performance in
• 41:12
  this movie? Not comparing it, I just mean in
• 41:14
  general. Yeah, no, I mean, you have to
• 41:16
  compare, Phil. You got to compare a little.
• 41:17
  Bit of comparison you have. To I think he plays a bad guy
• 41:22
  really well. Generally, sure.
• 41:25
  I think I enjoyed him more as Hans Gruber, though.
• 41:28
  If I had to pick, you didn't say I had to pick, but I'm going to
• 41:30
  pick. Yeah, he's gross in this movie.
• 41:32
  He's a very gross person. A little.
• 41:34
  Greasy. Yeah, like I remember thinking
• 41:38
  again, much like when Michael Wincott in this movie that the
• 41:41
  sheriff is the best. I thought Michael Wincott as Guy
• 41:45
  his cousin was like creepy and dangerous.
• 41:48
  He's creepy. Now and I'm like, just creepy,
• 41:51
  like a nothing. And then I remember thinking
• 41:53
  Rickman is so good in this movie, like my memories, just
• 41:56
  like the best. Just also very just creepy.
• 41:59
  Yeah, sure, absolutely. And then I'm watching it.
• 42:02
  I'm just thinking like, his deliveries are so big.
• 42:05
  I was like, I don't know if I love this performance.
• 42:09
  I like it. It's good, but it's like to it's
• 42:12
  to a degree that I was like, well, I just wasn't expecting so
• 42:16
  animated because I write like big face, big voice, big action,
• 42:22
  big moves. It's a much bigger performance
• 42:25
  than I thought it was. Theatre guy.
• 42:27
  He's a theatre guy. Sure.
• 42:29
  Yeah. I, I again, I don't think it's,
• 42:30
  I'm not making excuses. No, I don't think it's wrong.
• 42:32
  I'm just I'm surprised that. Yeah, how different it is than
• 42:36
  what it was in my mind. Yeah, OK.
• 42:38
  He's exactly mostly how I remember him.
• 42:40
  So he's right on par 100%. So I don't know what's going on
• 42:44
  with you. Different memories, but what's
• 42:47
  going on with Robin? Is have a shower.
• 42:50
  I know you. I know you like a shower over a
• 42:52
  bath. Yes, absolutely.
• 42:54
  Now Marian kindly asked him in a few scenes before.
• 42:57
  Take a bath. Take a bath.
• 42:58
  So he's doing her the favor. He's not.
• 43:00
  He's more of a shower. Most of I guess it's a hybrid
• 43:03
  because he's in the water and he's water is coming from above.
• 43:06
  So it's cut your cut your loss to get all the best of both
• 43:09
  worlds there. I remember.
• 43:11
  It was a very avid watcher of Entertainment Tonight.
• 43:14
  John Tesh, of course. Mary Hart.
• 43:17
  And there was a segment all about Kevin Costner's butt in
• 43:21
  this movie. Like it was.
• 43:22
  Such news in the entertainment world that it was like vaguely
• 43:25
  remembered. Watch out for this movie because
• 43:27
  it's got a chance to see his butt.
• 43:29
  Lisa is sicko, maybe John too. Anyway, and so that that this
• 43:35
  scene when I watched, I was like, I know for some reason it
• 43:38
  didn't. I didn't remember the movie
• 43:39
  part. I remember the Entertainment
• 43:41
  Tonight part of it. Well, what I know is John Chesh
• 43:44
  plays a lovely piano. Yeah, very talented man.
• 43:47
  Very host a radio show too. And at this point in the movie,
• 43:50
  we also have Marian who's they're they're flirting a
• 43:54
  little bit. Things are developing a little
• 43:55
  bit. But this is the point where she
• 43:57
  calls him the Prince of thieves. Yes, which is the name of the
• 44:00
  movie and you have stated in previous episodes that you don't
• 44:06
  always like it. Most of the time I don't.
• 44:09
  And this is no different. No, and I also kind of a note
• 44:12
  like wow, Marian's back in the movie because it feels like
• 44:14
  she's just disappeared for such a long time and all that she's
• 44:19
  given to do once again is just be the love interest.
• 44:21
  She shows up at this great set right the forest, she's sewing
• 44:25
  her around, beautiful set, gorgeous sunset.
• 44:28
  Like everything looks amazing, but she's still just his
• 44:31
  girlfriend didn't like there's no real, I don't.
• 44:33
  Think they're dating at this? Point No, that's the thing.
• 44:35
  Like she just has no real role here.
• 44:37
  Even when he says, you know, I can't let you go and she's like,
• 44:41
  I was blindfolded, Ha ha, I got one up.
• 44:43
  I don't really feel like she has any power agency in the thing.
• 44:46
  And even when she tries to go away, he's like, here, Duncan,
• 44:49
  take her home. I love that part of this man of
• 44:52
  purpose. Sure, I like the idea of it.
• 44:54
  That's. What I'm talking about, that's
• 44:57
  Robin being in. Sure, stand out.
• 44:59
  I appreciate it. But at the same time, I think of
• 45:03
  your lack of appreciation of letting critical bill be a part
• 45:11
  of the the the job in the action and let that one go in things to
• 45:17
  do in Denver when you're dead available in the archives to
• 45:19
  catch you up folks. And that to me, if Duncan is
• 45:22
  saying, hey, give me purpose, put me in coach, I don't know if
• 45:26
  here, let's go, I'll put you in charge of protecting the the
• 45:30
  Princess or whatever here. The Maid Marian on her way back
• 45:33
  to the castle. Of interest, is this the guy?
• 45:36
  Is this the right call? Not the right call, but let me
• 45:40
  tell you how clear I want to say two things.
• 45:42
  First thing, I think it's really funny when Robin asks him what
• 45:46
  day it is. How the fuck does he know what
• 45:48
  day it is? He can't even.
• 45:49
  See, it's Tuesday. Let me check the watch.
• 45:51
  Yeah, like this guy's blind. You're asking him what day it
• 45:53
  is. I think that's funny.
• 45:54
  That was at some point in the movie.
• 45:56
  But also I he's just giving him the purpose.
• 45:59
  There's other people there to actually do it.
• 46:01
  No, I think there is no. Look, Look again.
• 46:04
  Check the tape. Check the tape.
• 46:05
  There's two other guys I go with.
• 46:06
  Sure. Yeah.
• 46:07
  Pieces. And yeah.
• 46:10
  Lloyd touché, though at least Robin didn't have him perform
• 46:15
  the birth. That's right.
• 46:18
  Duncan, help this woman out. We have little John's wife.
• 46:22
  Yeah, her name is. Joanne, OK.
• 46:26
  Joanne Little. Sure.
• 46:28
  This is little and there could be some complications and that's
• 46:32
  it's 1192, we don't have the technology.
• 46:34
  No, luckily we've got Azeem. Azeem.
• 46:38
  Yeah, and. I delivered a few horses.
• 46:40
  He's taking care of business. Yeah, not.
• 46:42
  Too many people want him in. Charge of this little show.
• 46:44
  The fryer wants nothing to do with it or not, but I think.
• 46:48
  She's hip. She's woke.
• 46:49
  Yes. And in modern lady, yeah.
• 46:53
  And in pain. It doesn't matter who saves her
• 46:55
  life, just somebody better do it.
• 46:56
  It's actually kind of funny because she is sort of a modern
• 46:59
  lady. If you see throughout the rest
• 47:00
  of the movie, she kind of takes a she's more than him than
• 47:04
  Little John. Yeah, she's stronger in the
• 47:06
  movie than Maid Marian is, and that did Maid Marian isn't
• 47:09
  supposed to be. I think by comparison of the way
• 47:11
  she was introduced, it's a let down.
• 47:13
  If she was, if she was this the whole way, then it wouldn't
• 47:15
  matter. She's the love interest, that's
• 47:17
  her station, That's fine. But she's introduced in such a
• 47:19
  cool, fun way that to abandon it feels like a waste.
• 47:23
  Clearly upset about it, but that's we're going to have to
• 47:25
  work through it together. Marion's a very trusting woman
• 47:28
  though. Also, let's touch on that
• 47:30
  briefly. And I think she has the right to
• 47:32
  be, because would you trust a priest?
• 47:34
  I mean, in 1192, maybe 1192 actually makes more sense or
• 47:39
  less. Yeah, I think you didn't know
• 47:42
  the things that we know now in 1192.
• 47:44
  Anyway, he she's trying to get a letter to her dad, I think, or
• 47:47
  Uncle King Richard. King Richard, the related
• 47:50
  cousin, actually cousins something.
• 47:52
  Sorry, I know, I know, I know. I'm with it.
• 47:55
  But the priest, he's dirty. He's dirty.
• 47:57
  He wouldn't have anticipated. Yeah.
• 47:59
  And then he you don't know, but he rats her out.
• 48:01
  Yeah, he totally, totally. And he clubs the her, the maid
• 48:06
  clubs from behind. Clubbing.
• 48:08
  Yeah. And we never see her again,
• 48:11
  basically. But to Duncan's credit, jumps on
• 48:14
  that horse and finds his way back to the forest.
• 48:16
  Yep. Maybe you got to give a little
• 48:17
  more credit to the horse. Sure.
• 48:18
  A little bit of credit there. I will say that it did not a
• 48:21
  good service because he lured everybody back.
• 48:25
  Did but it does give us a pretty good action scene which I know
• 48:29
  you're itching for this is the the the the one action scene in
• 48:33
  the movie that I think is actually well staged and well
• 48:36
  pretty effective yeah it's a lot of it's actually in this movie
• 48:39
  does come in the last chapter of the movie that's being sort of
• 48:42
  the beginning out of it so we have the attack on the forest
• 48:45
  and we have arrows with fire yeah just.
• 48:50
  Well described. Yes, Yes.
• 48:51
  It's your bearer for detail. Yeah.
• 48:54
  I think that the the scene is, it's hectic.
• 48:56
  It's a lot of it's well shot. It's interesting.
• 48:59
  I thought it's entertaining and it's exciting.
• 49:01
  And there is a lot of flames, as you're saying, the rope, they're
• 49:05
  trying to save the baby. You know, kind of this very big.
• 49:07
  It's like the biggest sort of action scene that we've seen so
• 49:10
  far. And it ends with my favorite
• 49:13
  shot of the movie where there's like the smoke and mist.
• 49:16
  They've won and he kind of rises and they see this like a real
• 49:20
  hero shot right behind. He's got like my liars to me
• 49:24
  coming up. That's right.
• 49:26
  But I thought that was like a really beautifully well in the
• 49:29
  music state. And again, music just hits on
• 49:32
  point. It's like my favorite 20 minutes
• 49:35
  of the movie. All right, so this action
• 49:36
  sequence finishes strong according to Phil and I would
• 49:40
  happily agree with you. Let's give some more love to
• 49:49
  Slater's character, though, Will Scarlett.
• 49:52
  He's captured but then released because he's a bit of a
• 49:55
  turncoat, which is not the term I used.
• 49:57
  Sheriff used it a little bit later in the movie, but we have
• 50:00
  a scene where we find out the brother.
• 50:03
  Yeah, I hate this. I knew you would.
• 50:06
  What I don't like about it, maybe what I enjoyed, maybe when
• 50:09
  I was younger, because I didn't know.
• 50:10
  And I was like, Oh my God. But he's insufferable from the
• 50:13
  minute we meet him. And he's so antagonistic to the
• 50:17
  troublemaker Robin that I'm glad.
• 50:18
  And at some point, Robin asks him, Did I wrong you like in
• 50:22
  another life? Like I don't know who the fuck
• 50:24
  you are. He did in this life actually,
• 50:26
  and you're. You're throwing such garbage my
• 50:28
  way. What is up?
• 50:29
  Yeah, what's the dealio? And he finally kind of admits
• 50:32
  that he's his brother. And it's a scene that I think
• 50:36
  falls really flat. I don't know where you're at
• 50:37
  with it, but. Exactly what I remembered it.
• 50:40
  Wants it to be the music, the thing.
• 50:42
  It's like I will be your brother, I will stand with you
• 50:44
  like all this stuff, but it's it's, I don't think it.
• 50:49
  Delivers. Personally, I never did the
• 50:50
  first time I watched it still doesn't deliver, but it's not
• 50:52
  like terrible. But I what I did notice this
• 50:55
  time watching it is I put the pieces together this time from a
• 51:00
  dialogue from the beginning of the movie about his father and
• 51:03
  his mom and the and the mistress.
• 51:06
  I never kind of clued in. It didn't matter.
• 51:08
  It didn't matter throw away line back then, right?
• 51:11
  But. It kind of like, OK, now I
• 51:12
  understand how you could be with the brothers.
• 51:14
  So OK, so that was a a small victory, but to an overall
• 51:20
  lacklusting moment. Speaking of relationships and
• 51:25
  brothers and mothers. And relatives you didn't know
• 51:28
  you had. Yes, it's a good show.
• 51:30
  By the way, we have another scene with the witch.
• 51:33
  Yes, he's popped up a couple times, but this is a.
• 51:36
  The bigger one. Things are happening here.
• 51:38
  Yeah, Rickman is really upset, yeah, that she's been spying on
• 51:43
  him. Yeah, that's yeah.
• 51:44
  Which is weird. Sure.
• 51:45
  Yeah. And then we somehow find out
• 51:48
  that she's his mother. Yeah.
• 51:49
  I don't remember that the first me neither time I watched it.
• 51:53
  And I don't know, we're just coming off the whole brother
• 51:55
  thing again. Like, why?
• 51:56
  It's just. It's.
• 51:57
  That's a very good point. I don't.
• 51:58
  Really see as being necessary that they're.
• 52:01
  No, they could just be. That relationship could live as
• 52:03
  it is. Just makes his day worse.
• 52:05
  Yeah, it all the the only thing that it it does it it delivers.
• 52:10
  Probably my favorite line in the movie.
• 52:12
  Oh, here we go. Which is when she says something
• 52:17
  to the effect of you hate me, you are me because he's trying
• 52:21
  to dismiss her like you, you lied to me, You do this, you
• 52:23
  know, whatever. Else this is the kind of a.
• 52:25
  Common thing. I like the idea behind it.
• 52:27
  I just think it's again, it's just too late.
• 52:29
  It's handled poorly. We're on attack on situation.
• 52:31
  Yeah, I'm fine with this point, which not being his mother and
• 52:34
  still wanting the throne or like still wanting to be a part of it
• 52:38
  or establish it earlier, it just falls really flat at this point
• 52:41
  of the movie. I have a whole box of tacks at
• 52:43
  home. Let me tell you, I'm not doing a
• 52:46
  late in the day. If I'm doing any tacking, I'm
• 52:48
  doing it early on in the day. The good news though, after all
• 52:51
  these, all this fighting, I don't like fighting.
• 52:53
  Film a peaceful man. But we have a wedding coming
• 52:55
  out, that's true. Yeah, nothing more celebratory,
• 52:58
  Joyous. Yeah.
• 53:01
  What's best to do at a wedding, of course, is get ready for a
• 53:03
  fight. Yeah, absolutely.
• 53:04
  You can watch everybody. They're sharpening their sticks
• 53:07
  and they're setting themselves up.
• 53:09
  They've got the hoods, the cloaks.
• 53:10
  Everyone's kind of gathering for this moment.
• 53:13
  They know that the sheriff's going to be there and be able to
• 53:16
  enact some revenge. Yeah, this is the big scene.
• 53:19
  This is the the big scene, absolutely.
• 53:21
  The big scenes bigger than the the forest fight.
• 53:25
  Smaller in scope. Smaller in scope but bigger in
• 53:29
  plot, yes. It's the end of the movie.
• 53:31
  Yeah, right. So like the things have to
• 53:33
  culminate here, but I think I prefer the middle one, really.
• 53:37
  The last one, yeah, far more. I don't think this is another
• 53:39
  one. I have a bigger problem with
• 53:40
  this in terms of geography and no checks out where it all is
• 53:44
  and like how it all kind of gets played out.
• 53:46
  I found this one to be not jarring, just uninteresting.
• 53:49
  I I'm. Going to meet you halfway,
• 53:51
  Phillip is I? I always thought this one,
• 53:54
  They'll come, one we're coming up on was the bread and butter
• 53:57
  of this movie. OK, this is big.
• 53:58
  But it's not as big as I remember.
• 54:00
  Yeah, that's the thing. I just, it's small in scope.
• 54:02
  That's in my view. Yeah, I remember being super
• 54:04
  cool, you know, neat. The arrows happening.
• 54:07
  Yeah, I thought there would be more to it.
• 54:08
  It it does have the cool shot of the arrow breaking the rope of
• 54:11
  the hanged kid. Robin Hood as a man of
• 54:14
  precision, yes. When he shoots it, it swings
• 54:17
  back and forth a couple of times.
• 54:19
  So it's just bullshit luck, really.
• 54:22
  The rope does swings back. And so when he makes his shot,
• 54:24
  he's basing it on there's the rope.
• 54:26
  He's anticipating the he's anticipating Moses smell the
• 54:30
  roses, checking the checking the wind.
• 54:32
  Oh, yeah, yeah, I could stand. Well, yeah, he says.
• 54:34
  Finger up like his finger. You don't know.
• 54:37
  I still like it. I still like it.
• 54:39
  Sure, clear about that. It's really annoying though when
• 54:42
  something happens is like, it irks you, but it has to happen
• 54:44
  and that's Christian Slater's character.
• 54:46
  And the kid, the kid, yeah. And trying to say like, no, it's
• 54:50
  fine, it's fine. But the kid, rightfully so, he's
• 54:53
  got, he's got, he's got a bone to pick.
• 54:55
  Absolutely. He's got to pick that bone there
• 54:56
  to be picked. And he needs to pick it has to
• 54:58
  pick it, but it does it caused some problems.
• 55:01
  It anti climax I guess. Sure.
• 55:03
  That's part of the movie formulation.
• 55:05
  You mentioned that you don't like the geography.
• 55:07
  I actually got the blueprints online for it.
• 55:09
  It all checks out. But how do you like all the
• 55:13
  pieces falling into play with Little John, his wife Azeem
• 55:19
  Slater, all that I like. The scene generally, I think
• 55:22
  that it has the scene, you know, from the poster, it's got the
• 55:25
  hero shot again, flaming rope trying to save Christian's head.
• 55:29
  So I thought I like the scene overall.
• 55:31
  It's just not as great explosion.
• 55:33
  It's just not as impactful. It's got explosion, it's got a
• 55:36
  bunch of stuff. It's just not as impactful or as
• 55:38
  viscerally interesting as the earlier one.
• 55:42
  But this is perfectly fine. I like the energy of it.
• 55:44
  I like the way it plays out and the way everybody kind of has
• 55:46
  their their spot. I like that they take the the
• 55:49
  catapult over the. And they get to use their one
• 55:53
  swear word, which I think you're the one that told me you're
• 55:56
  loud. One for PG rating.
• 55:57
  You remember what he says. You tell me.
• 56:00
  Why don't you're the one that swears on the show?
• 56:01
  Yeah, but have you noticed? I want you to do it a little
• 56:03
  more often, You know, get on board, get your head in the
• 56:05
  game. All right, Well, he says you're
• 56:07
  loud. 1 David. I think he says fuck me, he
• 56:12
  cleared it. Yep, that's the one.
• 56:14
  And actually, I know that he probably did not get nominated
• 56:18
  for an Oscar for best supporting actor.
• 56:19
  Christian Slater in this movie, probably not.
• 56:21
  But that he did deliver that line.
• 56:24
  Pretty cool. He's not like the worst actor.
• 56:26
  He's just not a, you know, a guy that really does much for me.
• 56:28
  Like, he's just sort of there. He's like his fame exceeds his
• 56:32
  talent. That is, that's a very good way
• 56:34
  of putting it. Fill up.
• 56:35
  And then we have the square off between the two men of cloth.
• 56:40
  Yes, yes, yes, yes. Now, what are your thoughts on
• 56:43
  the Friar murdering somebody in the church?
• 56:46
  It's as a as a, as a holy man yourself.
• 56:49
  Yes, very holy. I remember the line he says when
• 56:53
  he pushes him out the window and it wasn't as good as I remember.
• 56:56
  I thought it was even better, yeah.
• 57:01
  Yeah, I mean the greater good. You know, he doesn't know he's
• 57:04
  going to die. You know, it could be like some
• 57:06
  hay. Bottom of gives him lots of
• 57:10
  weight. He does for the water.
• 57:11
  So he's well weighted. Well weighted, yeah.
• 57:14
  Yeah. Well, I think we know that the
• 57:15
  fryer Tuck is, you know, he's tenuous.
• 57:19
  He's got a little tenuous relationship with the holy.
• 57:22
  Yeah, yeah, I am more interested in Azeem's confrontation with
• 57:27
  the witch. Yeah, well, you know, they're
• 57:29
  gonna. They both have had this
• 57:30
  premonition. They both know they're.
• 57:33
  On the on the different ends of the spectrum.
• 57:35
  What would you say? Yep.
• 57:36
  And I get the impression when I'm first watching it, the first
• 57:39
  the first time I watched it, I should say that they kind of
• 57:41
  killed each other. One stabs and one stabs.
• 57:43
  But they don't. No, no, He he's fine.
• 57:46
  She. Not so much.
• 57:46
  Not so much. She's flourishing.
• 57:48
  Yeah. As we speak, he went on to have
• 57:51
  a long, long career after this. One yes, that's right, he did
• 57:54
  OK. She never heard from again.
• 57:55
  Yeah, no, this movie, there's no way that they would have killed
• 57:58
  that character. No, not in the car.
• 58:00
  In the movie too, but I feel like he he could have it would
• 58:02
  have made sense legitimately. Here is, I would say, probably
• 58:06
  my biggest complaint to the movie.
• 58:08
  Biggest complaint? You've had a lot?
• 58:09
  Yes, actually, you haven't had a lot for a movie we both claim to
• 58:12
  like, really like when we were young.
• 58:13
  There's probably been a couple more complaints than we maybe
• 58:16
  would have. Totally.
• 58:17
  I'm I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt, but at the end of the
• 58:19
  day it less than what I kind of hoped and wanted it to be.
• 58:23
  Tired three situation. And this I would say is one of
• 58:27
  the movies like kind of fatal flaws is.
• 58:30
  Interesting, I find. What did I miss?
• 58:32
  The I find that the culmination of the Sheriff and Robin story
• 58:39
  and the fight sequence that kind of happens by it to be kind of
• 58:43
  terrible and uninteresting. Their final duel on dynamic,
• 58:48
  it's like watching the going back to your reference, Star
• 58:52
  Wars Kenobi and Darth fight one another.
• 58:56
  You know it has to happen. There's portent in there and
• 58:59
  it's like important to the story, but it's not interesting.
• 59:02
  That is not an interesting fight.
• 59:03
  A fan made it interesting though.
• 59:05
  I know if you've seen it. I have not.
• 59:06
  It's impressive. Okay, but you're right.
• 59:08
  The original, yeah. And I'm not a person that needs
• 59:10
  the thing like what happened later, which is that obnoxious
• 59:13
  and silly CGI Yoda just flipping around like, and flopping pure
• 59:19
  CG. Like, no, no, he's embarrassing
• 59:22
  himself. It's ridiculous.
• 59:23
  So like, I'm not looking for that.
• 59:24
  No, I know, but this well choreographed is what you're
• 59:26
  looking. For yeah, or just a little bit
• 59:28
  more energy to it, but it feels like these two they're tired are
• 59:31
  doing. A long day.
• 59:33
  It's like heavy sword work. So you're you're heavy.
• 59:35
  It's not like. Those lightsabers are pretty
• 59:37
  light, yeah. It's like they're called light.
• 59:40
  So anyway, I just thought this whole sequence he's trying to
• 59:44
  get married, you know, you know, hurry up, pronounce this man and
• 59:47
  wife this and that. I just.
• 59:48
  Want to be funny? Totally.
• 59:49
  I think it rushes the the like. I just thought if this movie is
• 59:53
  culminating and leading up to this battle between these two
• 59:56
  people, which the movie has basically been doing, the battle
• 59:59
  between the two I felt was really a let down.
• 1:00:02
  Did you have anything similar? Were you like, am I crazy?
• 1:00:05
  You know what? What are your thoughts on this?
• 1:00:06
  Well, you are, but it is not amazing.
• 1:00:10
  The scene itself, the the final sort of sword that that Marian
• 1:00:15
  had to give him. I get it makes sense that's a
• 1:00:17
  movie choice, but it's not an amazing action duel scene.
• 1:00:23
  Much like the Ben Kenobi Darth Vader.
• 1:00:26
  I I, I don't mind the part where he Nicks them, of course, then
• 1:00:31
  says we're even. Yes, those aren't even that's
• 1:00:33
  that scars across your face. That's a little just on the
• 1:00:36
  chin. Keep the stitches close, he
• 1:00:38
  says. Like, yeah, this won't even need
• 1:00:41
  a stitch. Exactly.
• 1:00:42
  So that's a little underwhelming in the line after now we're even
• 1:00:46
  and then you're not. But again, bad lines.
• 1:00:50
  It's not great. It's not great, it's just not.
• 1:00:52
  Energetic it never was, exciting, it never was.
• 1:00:54
  I think it probably may have been to a 12 year old me, maybe
• 1:00:57
  not exciting when watching it. And the point of an action
• 1:01:00
  sequence to me is to get the heart rate up to get exciting.
• 1:01:03
  The best has gone by at this point for me and I, I think I
• 1:01:06
  knew that kind of going into it, maybe not from the time I
• 1:01:08
  watched it when I was 12, when I watched it when I was 24 or
• 1:01:11
  something. Yeah, so again, not a bad
• 1:01:13
  moment. It just was like a let down.
• 1:01:16
  And then we kind of hard cut, hard cut.
• 1:01:19
  Now I will say Rickman dies brilliantly.
• 1:01:22
  He dies great in both of these movies and die hard.
• 1:01:24
  And in this one, he's got great death scenes.
• 1:01:26
  Watching him stubble, he's all kind of slobbery theater.
• 1:01:29
  Yeah, brilliant guy, brilliant work.
• 1:01:33
  And then we kind of have a hard cut to another wedding, the
• 1:01:36
  proper wedding. For all we know, they could have
• 1:01:37
  been divorced two years later. You know it is an 1192.
• 1:01:40
  That's true. Divorce rate was 80%.
• 1:01:43
  And we get the big surprise. And I remember vividly watching
• 1:01:47
  this movie with my family on one weekend, and I was again 12
• 1:01:52
  years old. I had known faces and names
• 1:01:54
  again, families, movie people. But when Sean Connery rolls up
• 1:01:59
  as King Richard. First direction audibly.
• 1:02:02
  My, you're 12. You're 12.
• 1:02:04
  Just saying. Audibly, my mother and my dad
• 1:02:07
  both were like awesome because they were big fans and whatever,
• 1:02:10
  that's their era. So the idea that that that bond
• 1:02:13
  or bond, yeah, Connery shows up as King Richard.
• 1:02:16
  I remember like they were both like, that's great casting.
• 1:02:19
  What? How much they paid him for that?
• 1:02:20
  Probably a lot. Remember that.
• 1:02:21
  That's why. He's at that point, he's an
• 1:02:23
  Oscar winner. Between him and Brian Ames, that
• 1:02:25
  explains the set, yeah. And then the Friar kind of
• 1:02:28
  breaks the 4th wall and talks to the screen.
• 1:02:30
  Yeah, interesting. Choice.
• 1:02:31
  Have fun, whatever. Like what?
• 1:02:33
  We've done close-ups, like camera close-ups of characters,
• 1:02:36
  but not breaking the 4th wall, just as a stylistic choice.
• 1:02:40
  But they're not talking to the camera.
• 1:02:41
  And this one he. Is, but it's fine.
• 1:02:44
  Doesn't Take Me Out. It's just really that's your
• 1:02:46
  choice to end the movie. I would probably just shut it
• 1:02:48
  off just before that. This is not a breaking of the
• 1:02:51
  4th wall situation. I don't think so.
• 1:02:52
  It's like putting bloopers at the end of this movie.
• 1:02:54
  It's like, what about this movie tells you that?
• 1:02:55
  I would. Prefer that I'm a sucker for
• 1:02:59
  bloopers you are a sucker for. Blueprints.
• 1:03:00
  So yeah, it ultimately that I think it's because of that is
• 1:03:04
  why I had such a not a great taste in my mouth at the end of
• 1:03:07
  the movie, because it culminates in the sort of what I would
• 1:03:10
  consider a lackluster battle between good and evil, the good
• 1:03:13
  guy and the bad guy. And this joke kind of 4th wall
• 1:03:17
  breaking thing that I was just like, I don't know, I don't
• 1:03:20
  think I watch this movie a couple times this week and I, I
• 1:03:23
  just, I was like, I don't think I'll really watch this again.
• 1:03:25
  Like there wasn't enough to really pull me back into it.
• 1:03:28
  I think even a 4K restoration or some special edition wouldn't
• 1:03:31
  necessarily get me excited about it. 4K might do more harm than
• 1:03:34
  good. Could do, you know, yeah,
• 1:03:37
  Duncan's eyes might not look quite so, so pretty, but to hear
• 1:03:39
  that score and in a full blown, you know, 6 or 771 or 9 two,
• 1:03:47
  yeah. 11/2 buddy, come on respect yourself.
• 1:03:50
  So if there was a 4K copy available for you know like one
• 1:03:54
  of your three for 40 deals, which I do want to say I said
• 1:03:58
  was worse deal than Wellington. It was actually a better deal
• 1:04:01
  than Wellington. They were typically 15 or 16
• 1:04:05
  bucks a piece. So this would have been a little
• 1:04:07
  bit cheaper, but would you, would you pick it up if?
• 1:04:09
  It were really cheap maybe, but I don't think so.
• 1:04:12
  I don't think I would watch it again.
• 1:04:13
  What's your what's your threshold?
• 1:04:15
  I would buy the put a price on a buddy.
• 1:04:17
  I would buy the soundtrack I get on.
• 1:04:18
  Spotify, but I want you to put a price on it.
• 1:04:20
  No more than 15 bucks. OK.
• 1:04:23
  No more than 15, including shipping.
• 1:04:26
  Good to know. I do want to address something
• 1:04:28
  before we tie up this episode. OK, with my final thoughts,
• 1:04:32
  which is, you know, more important is Robin Hood is
• 1:04:36
  arguably the hero, and I like that.
• 1:04:39
  Deals from the rich gives to the poor.
• 1:04:40
  What's not heroic about that? He's a thief.
• 1:04:42
  So last week, Shelley, the machine, Levine kind of was the
• 1:04:49
  hero because he was also a thief.
• 1:04:51
  So I think. Yeah, I think, I think all
• 1:04:55
  thieves are good now, because this one thief is a hero.
• 1:04:59
  I don't know, I just think it paves the way for Shelley.
• 1:05:01
  The Prince of Thieves, though. Shelley is just a thief.
• 1:05:04
  He's not the Prince. He hasn't.
• 1:05:05
  He hasn't evolved. You know he.
• 1:05:08
  I love Shelly the machine here he is the hero of that story.
• 1:05:12
  That's beautiful. He sounds a great take.
• 1:05:15
  That's my major take away from this movie.
• 1:05:18
  But besides that, Phillip, it's a long movie too, right?
• 1:05:21
  So it takes a lot to time to get to the scenes that I'm I'm
• 1:05:26
  really interested in, but I still relatively enjoy the
• 1:05:29
  movie. But I think I've after watching
• 1:05:31
  these two times, I won't be rushing back to it anytime soon.
• 1:05:35
  I ironically could not find the copy that I did have.
• 1:05:39
  Oh, garage sale of. Course.
• 1:05:41
  Yeah I watched it a couple of weeks ago, rented it on YouTube,
• 1:05:46
  needed to note it so I had to re rent it on the YouTube so I paid
• 1:05:51
  about 10 bucks. That's your threshold.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah, that's my threshold. So I will not pay to watch it
• 1:05:57
  again. That's that's what I will say.
• 1:05:59
  I can still watch it tomorrow. The window still open.
• 1:06:01
  I think you're 48 hours. But ultimately I think it
• 1:06:05
  there's things about it that still hold up, things that
• 1:06:07
  don't. Soundtrack is still fantastic
• 1:06:10
  and it's a a great memory of Bryan Adams singing that
• 1:06:14
  beautiful song. Yes, yeah, you're right, it's a.
• 1:06:17
  It is a good memory and it'll have to stay that way 'cause I
• 1:06:19
  think I'm done with it. Fair enough.
• 1:06:23
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