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The Kenny Report | 5 February · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: The disappearance of four year old Guss Lamont from his
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  Speaker 3: family's outback property in September declared a major crime. I'll
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  Speaker 3: speak with criminologist Xanthe Mallett. The failed pipe bomb attack
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  Speaker 3: in Perth on Australia Day declared an act of terrorism.
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  Speaker 3: A thirty one year old suspect is in custody. A
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  Speaker 3: Muslim labor MP breaks ranks with his own government over
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  Speaker 3: the visit of Israel's President Isaac Herzog, demonizing Israel in
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  Speaker 3: the process. And the Prime Minister reacts to last night's
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  Speaker 3: revelation by Pauline Hanson on this program that she'd be
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  Speaker 3: happy to form a coalition with the Liberals and the Nationals.
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  Speaker 3: All that plus Alexander Downer, Mark Robinson and the National
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  Speaker 3: Cabinet with Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get on with it, all En.
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  Speaker 3: Hanson set the cat among the pigeons last night, didn't She?
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  Speaker 3: The One Nation leader didn't like me asking for more
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  Speaker 3: detail on her policies. But the breaking news was her
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  Speaker 3: concession that One Nation might be happy to form a
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  Speaker 3: coalition government with the Liberals and the Nationals.
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  Speaker 4: Of course that's the only way to move forward, because
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to be government and either is by
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  Speaker 4: the looks of it, either as a coalition or the
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  Speaker 4: National Party. So the fact is that I am a
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  Speaker 4: conservative at heart and I would work with them to
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  Speaker 4: give them supply would I join up to the rabble
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  Speaker 4: that they are at the moment? No one in the
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  Speaker 4: wide world.
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  Speaker 1: Now this is all a long way off.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, cooperation and amity will be sorely tested given
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  Speaker 3: that One Nation, if it wins seeds, most likely will
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  Speaker 3: take them from the Libs and the Nats rather than
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  Speaker 3: from Labor. But new One Nation star candidate for South Australia,
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  Speaker 3: Corey Bernardi sure wasn't going to talk it down with
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  Speaker 3: Ben Fordham this morning.
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  Speaker 5: Politics is the art of the possible, isn't it.
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  Speaker 6: And let me tell you that it's One Nation wherever
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  Speaker 6: to enter into coalition to form government, you bet your
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  Speaker 6: bottom dollar that.
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  Speaker 5: Had a much stronger voice from the current National Party too,
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  Speaker 5: or the wets in the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 3: Now One Nation has a history of peaks and troughs
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  Speaker 3: and of MPs coming from other parties and also leaving
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  Speaker 3: One Nation behind don't forget. Former Federal Labor leader Mark
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  Speaker 3: Latham was a One Nation leader in the New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales Parliament until August twenty twenty three after One Nation
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  Speaker 3: dumped him as leader and he quit the party. And
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  Speaker 3: there's been plenty of other comings and goings too. The
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  Speaker 3: Nationals leader says no one should get ahead of themselves.
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  Speaker 7: Considering where we are in terms of the electoral cycle.
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  Speaker 7: I think everyone just needs to take a culture our
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  Speaker 7: focus on working out who they are and what they are.
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  Speaker 7: The National Party knows it explicitly who we are. I
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  Speaker 7: think a lot of this is just a little bit
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  Speaker 7: of entertainment rather than let's just work calmly and constructively
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  Speaker 7: to make sure that we are able to articulate and
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  Speaker 7: hopefully one day in the near future, get back as
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  Speaker 7: a coalition. That's my intent, But I don't intend to
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  Speaker 7: let the National Party become a faction Liberal party.
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  Speaker 3: Well that does seem unlikely, although one senior Liberal says
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  Speaker 3: the longer than that stay out of the coalition with
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  Speaker 3: the Liberals, the more they're vulnerable to One Nation.
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  Speaker 8: The National Party is not in coalition with the Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 8: they are no longer a party of government. They can
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  Speaker 8: no longer deliver for their communities, and there is nothing
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  Speaker 8: to distinguish them from other parties of protests like One Nation.
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  Speaker 8: So if people are looking for a party of protests,
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  Speaker 8: I think they're much more likely to favor One Nation
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  Speaker 8: than the Nationals if that's where they choose to compete.
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  Speaker 3: And it seems someone else was watching last night, and
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  Speaker 3: this bloke probably knows better than most that the central
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  Speaker 3: point to Pauline Hansen was right.
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  Speaker 1: It's not her fault.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a criticism, it's a In fact, it's more
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  Speaker 3: of a criticism of the former coalition parties. But it
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  Speaker 3: is a simple fact that the higher one Nation rises,
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  Speaker 3: the better it is for the Prime minister, because it
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  Speaker 3: does more harm to the Libs and Nats than it
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  Speaker 3: does to Labor.
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  Speaker 1: They're just focused on each other. They just focused on
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  Speaker 1: each other.
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  Speaker 2: Liberals focused on other Liberals, and acts focused on other Nats.
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  Speaker 1: People joining the cross bench and now.
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  Speaker 9: Talk of a three way coalition with Pauline Hansen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Albanezi is cocky and he'll stay cocky until the
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  Speaker 3: right of center parties get their acts together. Tragically, anti
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  Speaker 3: Israel hatred in this country continues. I mean, have a
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  Speaker 3: look at this poster that's popped up all around Melbourne.
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  Speaker 3: Hateful ripoff of a popular pro migrant poster series Shocking stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And Shari Marson.
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  Speaker 3: Revealed last night that a twenty three year old man
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  Speaker 3: has been charged with pretending to re enact the Bondai
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  Speaker 3: massacre at the bridge where the shooting actually occurred. And
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  Speaker 3: yet another hateful development today with Sydney Police charging a
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  Speaker 3: teenager for allegedly making an online threat against the Israeli
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  Speaker 3: President Isaac Herzog, due to visit.
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  Speaker 1: Australia on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't believe some of the online abuse I got
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  Speaker 3: last night after daring to welcome the President's visit and
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  Speaker 3: urge protesters to hold off while he comforts the Australian
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  Speaker 3: Jewish community and save their protests for his camera visit
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  Speaker 3: on Wednesday. But when it comes to this demonization of Israel,
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  Speaker 3: the Albanezy Labor government has always given the wrong lead.
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  Speaker 3: It's fanned the flames by criticizing Israel rather than supporting it,
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  Speaker 3: by repeating hummas propaganda about casualty numbers and IDF tactics,
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  Speaker 3: and by effectively rewarding terrorism when it recognized the non
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  Speaker 3: existent state of Palestine, and now even after the government
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  Speaker 3: invited President hertzog Here, a Labor MP has broken ranks.
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  Speaker 10: I guess as a member of the party, as a
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  Speaker 10: parliamentarian who represents Labor, I'm entitled to have a differing view,
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  Speaker 10: and my view is I don't think that this was
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  Speaker 10: a good decision.
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  Speaker 3: This is dramatic descent against the government by one of
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  Speaker 3: its own. Labor doesn't normally tolerate this, but it seems
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  Speaker 3: they will this time.
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  Speaker 11: Well.
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  Speaker 8: The Foreign Minister Pennywong has for many years spoken about
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  Speaker 8: the importance of a government speaking with one voice when
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  Speaker 8: it comes to foreign policy, but it seems that the
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  Speaker 8: Albaneza government has many voices when it comes to foreign policy.
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  Speaker 8: That Ed Husick gets to have his own foreign policy
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  Speaker 8: and Pennywong has a different foreign policy.
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  Speaker 3: Cusick is a former front bencher and he's a Muslim,
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  Speaker 3: and he went even further.
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  Speaker 12: I just don't see how his visit would add given
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  Speaker 12: the concerns that exist around his positioning. And he's part
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  Speaker 12: of the leadership of a nation that has undertaken what's
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  Speaker 12: conduct has failed to distinguish between civilian and combatant in
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  Speaker 12: devastating ways. When you see the number of people that
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  Speaker 12: have been killed.
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  Speaker 3: Just because this kind of bile is common doesn't mean
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  Speaker 3: it's acceptable to have it repeated by government MPs.
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  Speaker 1: Rather than slam Hummas.
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  Speaker 3: For deliberately killing innocent civilians and holding them hostage for
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  Speaker 3: more than two years, killing eighty five hostages, disguising terrorists
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  Speaker 3: in civilian clothes, hiding them under homes, hospitals, and schools,
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  Speaker 3: orchestrating civilian deaths, and deliberately prolonging the war. Hughesa accuses
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  Speaker 3: Israel of disregarding civilians.
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  Speaker 1: Israel dropped leaflets.
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  Speaker 3: Telling civilians where it was going to bomb them, It
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  Speaker 3: texted them, It created safe pathways. Now, no one pretends
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  Speaker 3: war is not terrible and that the suffering is not horrific.
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  Speaker 3: But no army in the history of warfare has done
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  Speaker 3: more to minimize civilian casualties than Israel has done in
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  Speaker 3: this war, and this while fighting an enemy using its
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  Speaker 3: own civilians as human shields. Yet a government MP attacks Israel,
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  Speaker 3: he repeats the constant stream of misinformation from the United Nations,
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  Speaker 3: from the ABC, from the BBC, from his own labor government,
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  Speaker 3: no matter the facts, no matter how often the claims
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  Speaker 3: are disproven, no matter how illogical, like claiming a growing
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  Speaker 3: population is subjected to genocide, they continue with this vicious
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  Speaker 3: propaganda and they wonder how hatred develops.
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  Speaker 8: It seems extraordinary to me and frankly an act of
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  Speaker 8: bad faith and bad a terrible gesture towards Australian Jewish
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  Speaker 8: community that we can't even have the President of the
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  Speaker 8: Jewish State of Israel come to Australia after BONDI for
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  Speaker 8: a memorial for the purposes of providing comfort to the
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  Speaker 8: Australian Jewish community without labor MPs publicly running it down
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  Speaker 8: and attacking it. I think that's appalling.
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  Speaker 3: Not only has Israel had twelve hundred innocents slaughter on
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  Speaker 3: October the seventh, two hundred and fifty hostages stolen, eighty
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  Speaker 3: five of them killed and others tortured for more than
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  Speaker 3: two years, but it's had two years of ongoing war
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  Speaker 3: from Hummas with rockets from Gaza targeting civilians, and it
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  Speaker 3: had to see off the Hesbalah terrorist army in southern
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  Speaker 3: Lebanon attacking northern Israel, and it had to defend Huti
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  Speaker 3: missiles from the east, all funded and controlled by Iran,
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  Speaker 3: which also attacked Israel directly, yet Husick and so many
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  Speaker 3: others portray Israel as the aggressor. Apart from being grotesque,
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  Speaker 3: it's plainly idiotic. And now after fifteen people were gunned
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  Speaker 3: down at a Hunaker event in Bondai, and this labor
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  Speaker 3: MP and some tear MPs and a bunch of federal
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  Speaker 3: protesters can't even find it in their hearts to welcome
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  Speaker 3: Israel's president as he visits, to extend a hand of
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  Speaker 3: friendship and compassion. It's time for these haters to get
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  Speaker 3: a grip on reality and a dose of humanity.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to this shadow.
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  Speaker 3: Assistant Minister for Education, Zoe Mackenzie joins me live from Canberra.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you as Zoe. This sort of
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  Speaker 1: stuff from.
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  Speaker 3: Metahusik, denigrading Israel and linking their president, who's essentially a
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  Speaker 3: figurehead like our governor general, to what he portrays as
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  Speaker 3: possible war crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Is It's just not acceptable, is it?
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  Speaker 3: It's completely out of keeping with the government's invitation.
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  Speaker 13: Absolutely, and I think it's particularly disrespectful. It's disrespectful to
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  Speaker 13: the Jewish community who is still mourning, still hurting. This
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  Speaker 13: is an act of friendship for a largely ceremonial leader
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  Speaker 13: of Israel to come to Australia, to sit down with
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  Speaker 13: Jewish communities both in Sydney, around Bondai and elsewhere, and
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  Speaker 13: to bring comfort to them in respect of what has
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  Speaker 13: been the worst terrorist attack in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: And when we see this constant demonizing of Israel. Now,
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  Speaker 3: no government and no army gets a free pass, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but we know most of this demonization is based on
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  Speaker 3: absolute fallacies, proven the erroneous claims. Of course, that creates
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  Speaker 3: the climate where we see so much hatred in this country.
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  Speaker 13: Exactly right. I mean, the good news is that I
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  Speaker 13: think the New South Wales government seems at this stage
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  Speaker 13: to be taking appropriate steps to make sure that things
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  Speaker 13: don't get out of hand. Of course, there is a
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  Speaker 13: right to protest, but Israel is an ally and the
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  Speaker 13: President is here at the invitation of the Australian government
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  Speaker 13: to bring comfort to our fellow Australians. It's important that
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  Speaker 13: he offered the respect that we would want our Governor
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  Speaker 13: General to be offered wor she to be overseas representing
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  Speaker 13: the people of Australia. He's not here necessarily representing the
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  Speaker 13: government of Israel and all recent decisions. In fact, my
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  Speaker 13: understanding is that he is a politician who has been
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  Speaker 13: on the other side of the current government of Israel,
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  Speaker 13: and all that is irrelevant. He's here as a representative
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  Speaker 13: of these righty people to bring comfort to Jewish Australians.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, that is the purpose of the visit. In ye,
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  Speaker 3: he's a former Labour MP in Israel. Now, when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to terrorism, disturbing although unsurprising, news out of Perth
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  Speaker 3: today that that shocking pipe bomb attempted pipe bomb attack
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  Speaker 3: on Australia that has been declared an active terrorism Now
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  Speaker 3: the person who allegedly was responsible for this is a
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  Speaker 3: thirty one year old man. He's in custody facing charges.
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  Speaker 3: We're very lucky that this device wasn't triggered, but it was.
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  Speaker 3: The claims here and of declaring it a terrorist act
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  Speaker 3: suggest that this was aimed at hurting.
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  Speaker 1: People in that invasion day rally.
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  Speaker 3: It was targeting obviously Indigenous people and people supporting them.
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  Speaker 13: I'm glad that the authorities are doing a proper investigation, frankly,
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  Speaker 13: of what is at play here, what were the motivations
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  Speaker 13: and where to from here. Obviously radicalization online is a
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  Speaker 13: real concern in this country, as it is in most
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  Speaker 13: Western democracies, and therefore the authorities are doing their job.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, so we have that alleged pipe bomb attack in
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  Speaker 3: Perth declared a terrorist act, and of course the shocking
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  Speaker 3: slaughter in Bondi allegations that there were homemade devices in
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  Speaker 3: the car there as well. We'll see what more we
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  Speaker 3: find out about that as time goes on.
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  Speaker 1: Just briefly before I.
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  Speaker 3: Let you go, Zoey, would you be happy sitting in
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  Speaker 3: a coalition government with One Nation of Pauline Hansen.
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  Speaker 13: Chris, I'd be happy, accepting supply from across the cross bench.
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  Speaker 13: There are a number of cross Bench members who are
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  Speaker 13: guarantees supply a strong coalition government.
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  Speaker 14: Would I don't think she.
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  Speaker 3: Would hating around the cabinet table. She was asked directly
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  Speaker 3: whether she would join a coalition government with the Liberals
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  Speaker 3: and the Nationals, as she said, certainly that means one
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  Speaker 3: Nation ministers in your government.
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  Speaker 1: Would you be happy with that?
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  Speaker 13: At this point to know, I would not, because they're
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  Speaker 13: a single issue party. I have no idea how they
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  Speaker 13: would vote in relation to important things like taxes, in
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  Speaker 13: relation to corporations.
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  Speaker 15: Come on a focused on They're focused on zero and immigration,
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  Speaker 15: a lot of immigration.
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  Speaker 13: Commonwealth is a broad, broad basket of tasks as you
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  Speaker 13: and I well know, my friend, what's it be're on
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  Speaker 13: trade for example. We don't know anything about them apart
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  Speaker 13: from the obvious ones in which they have been very loud.
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  Speaker 13: But they're going to put candidates into every single seat
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  Speaker 13: in South the strain and election, so we'll see what
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  Speaker 13: they have to say over.
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  Speaker 3: They've been pretty loud and pretty consistent on three or
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  Speaker 3: four big issues for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Thanks for joining us, Zoe, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Zoey Mackenzie there joining us from Canberra now. Police have
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  Speaker 3: revealed a major development in the disappearance of four year
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  Speaker 3: old Gus Lamont, who went missing last September from his
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  Speaker 3: family's property in Junta, which is in the outback three
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  Speaker 3: hours or more north of Adelaide. Police have said they
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  Speaker 3: now believe the boy is dead and they've declared it
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  Speaker 3: a major crime.
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  Speaker 4: A person who resides at Oak Park station has withdrawn
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  Speaker 4: their support for the police and is no longer cooperating
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  Speaker 4: with us.
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  Speaker 3: Police stress that Guss's parents are not suspects that another
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  Speaker 3: person who lives at the property is a person of interest.
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  Speaker 3: Let's bring in doctor z Anthey Mallett, who's a criminologist
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  Speaker 3: with the Central Queensland University.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you against Anthony.
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  Speaker 3: This is a very unusual case because they don't know
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  Speaker 3: for certain, at least as far as what they're saying publicly,
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  Speaker 3: what has happened to the boy.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously they don't have him or tragically a.
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  Speaker 3: Body, but they're very definitely pointing the finger at someone
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  Speaker 3: who was living at that property.
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  Speaker 11: Good afternoon, they certainly are. That press conference was very detailed.
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  Speaker 11: It went on for around twenty six minutes. In it
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  Speaker 11: outline the three potential outcomes that they investigated. So had
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  Speaker 11: he walked off, had there been a third party involvement,
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  Speaker 11: a stranger had abducted him, or if somebody known to
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  Speaker 11: Gus was ultimately involved. And they were very clear on
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  Speaker 11: why they'd ruled out the first two and now believe
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  Speaker 11: somebody residing at that homestead is responsible for Gus's disappearance.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, the idea of a stranger was I thought
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  Speaker 3: obviously not an option at the start.
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  Speaker 1: This is fairly remote country. It's the sort of place
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  Speaker 1: where if anyone drives up to a homestead, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to know they're there. What would you expect police to
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  Speaker 1: do from here?
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  Speaker 3: They've searched the area without any finding anything for so long,
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  Speaker 3: a vast area. They obviously know the person who was
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  Speaker 3: their suspect. They're obviously not charging or arresting this person.
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  Speaker 3: Why would that be and what would their next steps
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  Speaker 3: be likely to be.
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  Speaker 11: So they did conduct a search at that property a
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  Speaker 11: few weeks ago. They took a number of items for
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  Speaker 11: forensic evaluation, so some electronic devices. They will continue interviewing
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  Speaker 11: people in the area. They will keep building their case.
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  Speaker 11: As you mentioned, no charges have been laid yet, but
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  Speaker 11: they were very clear that they do have a suspect
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  Speaker 11: in mind, so they will continue to build their brief
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  Speaker 11: of evidence and really collect that information. And they did
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  Speaker 11: make a call to the public as part of that
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  Speaker 11: press conference if anyone knows anything, if they have any information,
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  Speaker 11: they are still collating that, so please do come forward
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  Speaker 11: because they really are still building that picture as to
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  Speaker 11: what happened to us on that day in September.
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  Speaker 3: If they have this person of interest, which they obviously do,
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  Speaker 3: would they do to try and put pressure on that person?
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  Speaker 11: Well, Obviously they will keep interviewing them. That person they've
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  Speaker 11: stated was initially working with the police and offering information,
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  Speaker 11: and they made clear in that press conference that not
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  Speaker 11: all of that information appeared to line up. There are
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  Speaker 11: a number of inconsistencies as they described them, so they
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  Speaker 11: will continue to speak to them and other members of
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  Speaker 11: the family to really try and bulk out that picture.
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  Speaker 11: But they will keep pressure up. They do believe they
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  Speaker 11: have a suspect in mind, so they will keep working
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  Speaker 11: towards charging that individual.
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  Speaker 1: But we're a very long.
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  Speaker 11: Way from anyone being found guilty at this stage.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for joining us, Anthony, appreciate it, Doctor c
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Mallett there from the Central Coinsine University. Is such
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  Speaker 3: a sad case, but let's hope the police can get
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  Speaker 3: to the bottom of it and people can get some closure.
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  Speaker 3: As we discussed yesterday, there are growing calls now for
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  Speaker 3: a crackdown on e bikes after a group of more
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  Speaker 3: than forty riders took partner joy ride across Sydney Harbor Bridge,
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  Speaker 3: an illegal joy ride by the way.
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  Speaker 1: The new South Wales government has moved to reduce.
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  Speaker 3: The power of e bikes, but the opposition in that
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  Speaker 3: state says that's not enough and they want to see
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: registration and license plates mandated. Let's go to the New
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: South Wales Shadow Transport Minister Natalie Wood. Thanks for joining us, Natalie,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: why do you want to see e bikes registered with
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: license plates?
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: Well, identification means you can start to solve the problem. Chris,
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: You've got these kids riding out in gangs across the
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: Harbor Bridge, flouting the law, knowing the police can't catch them.
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: If you can't identify them, you can't solve this problem.
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: And the police have told us there's nothing they can do.
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: This labor government has lost control of our streets. Clearly,
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: these kids know they're not accountable, they're untouchable because there's
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: no consequences. Our simple proposal is really easy to implement
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: a license plate system for under eighteens on the front
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: and back of the bike. Cheap and easy to implement,
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: identify them and that would apply for under eighteens, for
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: share byk riders and for those delivery drivers. If that
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: had been in place, the police could have been identifying
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: the bike and knocking on their doors this morning.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Look, this is a problem right around the country. People
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: have been killed when they've been hit by e bikes.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Isn't the other fact that with registration that there should
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: be insurance. When we register our cars and motorcycles right
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: around the country in different schemes, you have to pay
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: third party insurance so that if you're involved in an accident,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the other person isn't left out of pocket through injuries
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: or damage to their property. Shouldn't e bikes have that sort.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Of system as well.
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: Well, that's right, but the government. We're happy to look
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: at any proposals the government's put in place, but they're
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: silent on this and this is the problem. They're talking
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: about power on bikes. Well, those bikes didn't ride themselves
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: across the hubbor bridge.
• 20:41
  Speaker 14: The riders did.
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: And you've seen the pictures of injured people, pedestrians on
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: the street injured, and the government's doing nothing and saying
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: nothing other than it's the wattage of the bike. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: don't think if you've been hit by a bike that
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: you're asking what the wattage was or how fast it went.
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: You're saying, who's the rider, who's responsible and how can
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: we stop it? That's whys is simple and needs to implement,
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: But we're happy to look at any other options the
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: government wants to profit, but the fact is they've lost
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: control of the straits Chris. We've seen that blatantly repeatedly
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: on golf courses across the state. We've seen it on
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: the Harbor Bridge now blatantly, and the government's silent on
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: anything other than reducing the power.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: That's not an answer. It's a middle.
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: Finger by these riders to police and to the community,
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: and the government isn't addressing the core problem, one of which,
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: as you say, is insurance.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Look, I think it's a good idea. I think identifying
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: the bikes is a good start, but I see.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Them riding around the traffic.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: They are like motorbikes in the traffic, often ridden by kids,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: obviously without licenses and motorcycle helmets.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: So maybe even more needs to be done. I hate
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to say that because I hate too many laws.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: But might come back to you, Natalie Wood in the
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: future to see see if there's more to be done.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Natalie Ward.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: There, who's the shadow transport minister in New South Wales.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: This is a problem right around the country, as you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: different state governments looking at different ways to tackle this.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: We're going to get to a break though Muslim Labor
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: of MP music. He's broken ranks with his own government
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: over the visit of Israel's president Isaac Herzog.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I'll get a view from Alexander Downer next.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's get the insights and an analysis now from Alexander Downer,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: who's Australia was Australia's longest serving foreign minister in the
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: studio with me.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Good to see you, Alexander, a pleasure. First up, Isaac Herzog.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: The government issues an official invitation. Yeah, one of its
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: own MPs says that's a bad decision. Labor are normally
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: supposed to tow the party line, aren't they. What does
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: this say about the feeling inside the party.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's very sad that in Australia you've got
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: even members of the government opposing a visit by the
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Israeli Prime minister. It's not as though Isaac Hertzel, the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister as part of the Natio Nasiyahu government.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: He was the leader of the opposition at one stage
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: to Natan Yahoo some years ago, he was the leader
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: of the Israeli Labor Party. You think Labor would welcome that,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: but some don't. And it's particularly grotesque that after the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: massacre of the Jews on Bondai Beach that there would
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: be opposition to the president of the Jewish State coming
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to Australia. I think that's grow tesque.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: He's essentially an apolitical figure now as the president, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: that's right. He's coming here almost on a pastoral visit
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: of friendliness and compassion for the Jewish community, especially in Sydney.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: But I also want to ask about the way his
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: opponents in the Labor Party like Edi Musik and across
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: the broader polity with the tilS and others, and then
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: of course the feral protesters. The sorts of allegations they
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: make against Israel genocide and the like. I mean, they
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: are absurd, but of course they can always point to
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: the United Nations.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Is this source for these claims?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: How much damage has done, how much hatred has been
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: created on false claims?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I think this is a huge problem, accusing the Israelis
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: of genocide. The reason Hamas chose the word genocide is
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: to play back into the Nazi genocide. That's why they
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: have used that word. And this all comes from Hammus
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: and its very effective propaganda machine.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Let's face it, Hamas.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Declared war on Israel on the seventh and seventh of October.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: They started the war. They spent billions building tunnels under
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Gaza and planning a tax on Israel. I mean, Israel
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: is going to defend itself and it's right to exist.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And if you declare war on Israel, don't expect them
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to be kind to you, expect them to defend themselves vigorous.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: The allegation from Idhusik even is that Israel has been
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: indifferent to the lives of civilians.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Well, let me be terribly brutal about this, because people
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: are thinking this but not saying it. He's a Muslim
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: and so he's particularly focused on Muslims being killed by
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the Israelis. But I haven't heard ed Husick or his
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: like coming out and opposing Iotollah Kameni and expressing outrage
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: about the Iranian government's attacks on Muslims and killing tens
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of thousands of Muslims in Iran recently. But he is
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: entirely he's playing into the anti Semitism which is now
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: ripe in Australia, is absolutely ripe, and using all these
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: expressions like the Israelis are in favor of genocide and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: so on, using Hamas language. It's simply it's simply playing
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: into the hands of anti Seamites in our society.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I want to go further on Iran because the Americans
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: and Iran holding further talks about the nuclear program there.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Military assets have been moved into the area. We're waiting
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: to see what happens. Here's the Secretary of State, Marko Rubio.
• 26:27
  Speaker 16: As far as the talks are concerned, you know, I
• 26:29
  Speaker 16: think the Iranians had agreed to a certain format. For
• 26:32
  Speaker 16: whatever reason, it's changed in their system or what have you.
• 26:34
  Speaker 16: We'll see we can get back to the right place.
• 26:36
  Speaker 16: But the United States is prepared to meet with them.
• 26:37
  Speaker 16: I think of a schedule for Friday. Steve is ready
• 26:40
  Speaker 16: to go. He'll be prepared for that. If the Iranians
• 26:42
  Speaker 16: want to meet, we're ready. They've expressed an interest in
• 26:44
  Speaker 16: meeting and talking. If they changed their mind, we're fine
• 26:47
  Speaker 16: with that too. We prefer to meet and talk. I'm
• 26:49
  Speaker 16: not sure you can reach a deal with these guys,
• 26:51
  Speaker 16: but we're going to try to find out.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: And Donald Trump has said the Iranian leadership should be worried.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: What do we expect. I think they should be worried.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, they need to do a couple of things.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: First of all, desist from their attacks on their own
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: people and their own protesters. I think as a result
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: of Trump's threats, they have desisted from doing that. Secondly,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: they need to abandon all together their nuclear program, which
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: they're pursuing illegally, contrary to their obligations under the Nuclear
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Non Proliferation Treaty. And Thirdly, they've got to make a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: commitment not to resupply organizations like Hasbalara and Hamas, which
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: are set up in order to destroy the state of Israel.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: If they agree to all of those things, there won't
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: be any trouble for them. If they don't agree, I
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: expect there will be a tax on military sites in Iran.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Interestingly, President Donald Trump has had a broad ranging phone
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: call with the Chinese president Jijipin.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: We don't know what was in that phone called.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has a habit of putting all this stuff
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: out publicly at some stage anyway, but mighty have discussed
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: the Iran situation and let China know what he's planning
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think he'd let them know what he's planning to.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Do precisely, but Trudy trying to try.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: The Tonys would ring me.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Try and give try and at least discuss that area,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: because what the last thing he wants is China getting involved.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's clearly discussed Iran, has discussed the Ukraine
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: War and various issues like that with Shi Jingping. I
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: think it's worth doing that, and it's worth Trump making
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: absolutely crystal clear to the Chinese leadership what America's redlines are,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: because I mean, I think ultimately China doesn't want to
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: get into too big a fight with President Trump in
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the US government. I think they would like to go
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: easy and find a way of coexisting with the Americans.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: It he'd be wanting China to put pressure on Iran,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: right and Russia.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly the latter, particularly putting pressure on Russia, because
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Russia wouldn't be able to fight this war in Ukraine
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: if it wasn't for the support they get from China.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Not just military support, but it's the financial support they
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: get through China. I mean, China buys something like a
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: third of all Russian oil production. So yeah, Trump would
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: have made those points.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: We will watch carefully. Thanks for joining us again, Alexander
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: the Planlexander down.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: There live in the studio. We'll go to a break
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: after that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about a series of disturbing incidents
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: at youth camps in Victoria, including Holocaust simulations. Cees O'Brien
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: will join me next with that exclusive report. There was
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: a bizarre story on the front page of today's Herald
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Son in Victoria, Camp of Horrors, revealing cult like rituals
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: and physical punishments at.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: A series of youth camps over the years.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Our regular palinist Palinas Palinis panelist Suzi O'Brien broke this
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: story and she joins me now from Melbourne.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I'll get my tongue out of the back of my
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: mouth there, Susy.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: This was an astonishing story, a deeply troubling one.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: This is an.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Elite program where children from some of the best schools
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne to get on this program and they're set
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: off into the wilderness. Tell us what was supposed to
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: happen on these camps and what you've uncovered through this
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: previously confidential report.
• 30:50
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's just incredible. I think if there weren't photos,
• 30:52
  Speaker 17: people would not believe it. So Lord Summer's big can.
• 30:56
  Speaker 17: It's kind of the It's been going for nearly one
• 30:59
  Speaker 17: hundred years. The patron of this organization is the governor,
• 31:02
  Speaker 17: so you can't get more top draw than that. And
• 31:06
  Speaker 17: what we have uncovered is that on a training camp
• 31:10
  Speaker 17: some years ago, legally we can't give the exact date,
• 31:13
  Speaker 17: there was a Holocaust simulation involving some kids who were underage,
• 31:19
  Speaker 17: where kids were digging graves, where they turned the showers
• 31:23
  Speaker 17: into mock gas chambers. There were also sexualized acts and
• 31:29
  Speaker 17: kids were wearing electronic dog collars. Now this was subsequently investigated.
• 31:36
  Speaker 17: It took it until twenty twenty three for the organization
• 31:40
  Speaker 17: to launch an investigation. There were a range of measures
• 31:44
  Speaker 17: that the organization had to put in place, and I
• 31:48
  Speaker 17: think it's fair to say they wouldn't do that kind
• 31:51
  Speaker 17: of Holocaust simulation these days, thank goodness. However, when we
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: turned up on the beach where the most recent camp
• 31:59
  Speaker 17: took place summers on the Mornington Peninsula in January, the
• 32:03
  Speaker 17: boys camp had all these leaders with their tops off.
• 32:07
  Speaker 17: They're woken at dawn, they're lined up on the beach.
• 32:10
  Speaker 17: The you know, they're barked orders. They have all these
• 32:14
  Speaker 17: sort of physical punishments carried off if they don't behave
• 32:19
  Speaker 17: it just extraordinary And this is what passes as leadership
• 32:24
  Speaker 17: on a camp like this.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, cheap as I know, it's a really strange story
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: or worrying one.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I think being woken up at dawn and running on
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: the beach without your shirt on it is fine, that's
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: what you expected this sort of camp. But to actually
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: now have to have rules that say are no more
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: simulated sex acts and no more Holocaust.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Reenactment, some of this is just beyond the pale.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: In fact, there must be verging on the criminal when
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: you look at what's gone on in the past.
• 32:55
  Speaker 17: I think some of the you know, seeing this firsthand
• 32:57
  Speaker 17: on the beach in January, a little stakeout, it was
• 33:03
  Speaker 17: just quite alarming because one of the things is that
• 33:05
  Speaker 17: the organization that sort of covers up what the real
• 33:08
  Speaker 17: intention of the camps. Camps are and it's supposed to
• 33:11
  Speaker 17: be all about belonging and togetherness and care, but actually
• 33:16
  Speaker 17: they're engendering group dynamics and group bonding, you know, good reasons,
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: but they're doing it through intimidation, humiliation, threats, physical violence,
• 33:28
  Speaker 17: and unsuspecting kids turn up they have their phones taken
• 33:31
  Speaker 17: off and they have no idea what is to come.
• 33:34
  Speaker 17: And you look at some of the scenes that are
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: on the Herald Sun website that are in the paper today.
• 33:39
  Speaker 17: We've got more coming tomorrow. It's just extraordinary in this
• 33:42
  Speaker 17: day and age. It has never ever been revealed under.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: It's a cracking yarn, Susie. It's brilliant that you've been
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: able to bring sunlight to this. What's the reaction been
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne? Imagine talk back radio would have gone bunter.
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: Well, it's absolutely fascinating. I mean, schools, particularly some of
• 34:00
  Speaker 17: the elite schools that have sent a lot of kids
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: there in the past, have been running a mile from
• 34:04
  Speaker 17: this camp. The organization itself, Lord Somers Camp and Powerhouse,
• 34:09
  Speaker 17: which receives fair doses of public money, has taken all
• 34:13
  Speaker 17: of the names of its leaders and bought off its website.
• 34:17
  Speaker 17: The governor, its patron, just before I came on air,
• 34:20
  Speaker 17: has issued a statement asking for a clarification and condemning
• 34:25
  Speaker 17: some of these alleged activities. Finally, you know, it's been
• 34:28
  Speaker 17: good that she has said something, so yeah, there's been
• 34:32
  Speaker 17: an amazing outcry and also Victoria Police have said they've
• 34:37
  Speaker 17: urged people who have had disturbing experiences on these camps,
• 34:42
  Speaker 17: particularly involving the camp where there was sexualized acts. They say,
• 34:47
  Speaker 17: regardless of how long ago this happened, they're urging people
• 34:50
  Speaker 17: to come forward. And we've also had Devere Abramovich from
• 34:55
  Speaker 17: the Anti Defamation League. I'm not sure he's a leading
• 34:59
  Speaker 17: Jewish commentator, and he has called it depraved acts and
• 35:03
  Speaker 17: he has said, how dare they have cosplay on the
• 35:06
  Speaker 17: beach involving Holocaust survivors?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Stuff?
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: Jack, mind blowing?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Susie. Congrats on the yarn and
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: as you heard.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: From Susie, plenty more to come, including in the Herald
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Sun tomorrow.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I want to go to sport now catch up.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: With Mark Robinson, former chief footy writer at the Herald Sun.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Only it's still a month ago to footy season kicks
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: off properly, of course, but we've got the Winter Olympics
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: to keep us busy in.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: The meantime and Rollo. There's so much focus on the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Winter Olympics.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I think more and more people are taking interest because
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Australia gets medals these days. And I noticed our first
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: ever gold medalist, Stephen Bradbury is suggesting we'll get a
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: record hall this time round.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: It's one of the it's very fortunate to Winter Olympics.
• 35:49
  Speaker 18: It comes in tennis before the football start to get
• 35:52
  Speaker 18: you a little bit of free and sports lovers like me,
• 35:55
  Speaker 18: and there's thousands and hundreds of thousands like me. We
• 35:58
  Speaker 18: will tune in and watch some sports that meant skill
• 36:03
  Speaker 18: and enormous carriage. And they've just announced the open ceremony
• 36:09
  Speaker 18: flag holders.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: But it's a spectacular array of sports for the Winter Olympics.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: It's a beautiful part of the world too, so I
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: can guarantee you the scener he's going to be spectacular there.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Those flag bearers are going to be the defending Winter
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Olympic champion Jaikara Anthony and four time Olympian Matt Graham,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: so they'll get to carry the flags.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I mentioned. Footy is a lot of my offense. I'll
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: tell you what a long way from the Winter Olympics.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: We've got this State of Origin AFL match between the
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Western Australia and Victoria. It's happening on February the fourteenth.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I checked the weather forec forecast. At this stage it
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: looks like being thirty five degrees. They're playing the game
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: at sort of four point forty in the afternoon in Perth.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a stinker.
• 36:52
  Speaker 18: Formers trained cricket bastball at Rodney hob Rnley about four
• 36:55
  Speaker 18: days ago and he goes to those he needs at
• 36:57
  Speaker 18: the AFL may what they're doing years ago. On February fourteen,
• 37:01
  Speaker 18: it was forty four degrees. When I spoke to Hoggy,
• 37:04
  Speaker 18: it was like eight consecutive days of thirty six and
• 37:07
  Speaker 18: thirty seven.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: They'll be playing late afternoon per time. I just don't know.
• 37:12
  Speaker 18: I mean, I hope it works, but I just can't
• 37:14
  Speaker 18: see the players having the passion that they did in
• 37:17
  Speaker 18: the eighties and nineties.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: We've already got the players on limited minutes. We'll find
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: out pretty early. This just a token of vent Chris,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: or they're going to go std Ingham. I don't think
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: they'll go sted Ingham.
• 37:29
  Speaker 18: Not in February, not on February fourteen in thirty six degree.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: He yeah, I agree.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I think they'll take it easy and every club will
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: just be hoping their players don't go too hard or
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: get hurt. Here's the wa Captain Patrick Cripps.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: We know we're going to be the underdogs in the game.
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: But I think we'll drive in that sort of space
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: and where came to get over in front of a
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: home crowd and try and put on show and yeah,
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: really bring back that of origin in the AFL.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah we're Australian of course, but he's been living in
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Victoria or for the last ten years.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: He might have gone soft.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: The heat might knock him rotten. And your way, Well,
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: he's a wonderful player and I wonderful. I'll tell you
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: what if.
• 38:12
  Speaker 19: Nick Dacos gets hurt in the season ending or MaTx
• 38:15
  Speaker 19: Gorn or Marcus Bontempelle, you watch the club's moan and
• 38:20
  Speaker 19: when you had that, and I wouldn't blame them.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, while we're on state of origin though with
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: the NRL state of origin, of course, they've been taking
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: the middle game the second game around the country in
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: recent years. Perth Adelaide Melbourne. Next on the agenda New
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Zealand state of origin. Australian state of origin footy in
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: New Zealand. That seems like a pretty smart move, doesn't it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: Five million dollar apparently. I mean he's quite a genius.
• 38:46
  Speaker 18: Genius, is a big strong He's such a created bugger
• 38:50
  Speaker 18: seat of the Landies and now you're right, they've taken
• 38:52
  Speaker 18: us out of our regum.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: We get huge crowds here in Melbourne.
• 38:55
  Speaker 18: But thank you have anything audacity to say, hey there,
• 38:58
  Speaker 18: it's take a sport that we've got no not a
• 39:01
  Speaker 18: lot well no, actually, New Zealand representation give us five
• 39:05
  Speaker 18: million dollars.
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: I'm all cross the ditch. We'll come and have a
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: playover there. Sellout.
• 39:10
  Speaker 18: There's no doubt about it, no doubt there will be
• 39:13
  Speaker 18: a massive TV audience.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: He's yeah, he's been a standing.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Great to catch up with again. Robo will talk to
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: you next week. Mark Robinson, they're alive from Victoria. We've
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: got to take a break national cabinet after that with
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson. Let's go to our national cabinet.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Somebody's got to sort this mess out. Tim Blair from
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph joins us, and so does Mark Nicholson
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: from step Mates Studios.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I want to go to you first, Tim.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: You've got the coalition's falling apartment. We've got Pauline saying
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: she could join the coalition. There's so many moving parts here.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: You're not talking about a possible coalition government. You're talking
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: about a conglomerate government.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: It's all very European, isn't it. This is the sort
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: of thing that we've seen a lot in places like
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: you know, Italy and Germany and some on tiny little
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: fragmented parties uniting as one, even though they all disagree
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: with each other. But for me, the most fascinating part
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: about this, and I know that our fellow member of
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: the Cabinet will agree, is that one nation's gone from
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: this springe outfit that everyone wanted to sort of you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: maybe we can accommodate them in some small ways. Maybe
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: we can throw you know, a little bit of credit
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: their way once in a while. Now Pauline's the kingmaker.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Now Pauline's running the show, and they're desperate to get
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: in her good book. It's a beautiful turnaround. It's really
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: lovely to say.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: It is amazing.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: As you point out, this is not just a conglomeration.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: It's a conglomeration of entities that hate each other, but
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: they reckon.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: They all have the same interest in the long run.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: And obviously, Mark, you're in Adelaide this week because you're
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: going to work out how.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: To do the caricature of Corey Benardi. That's it, mate,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: that's it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 14: They're all coming.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
• 40:58
  Speaker 14: They've all got to bend the knee. That's the thing.
• 41:00
  Speaker 14: I've been very lucky. I've been traveling with Pauline the
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: last week, giving her just unsolicited political advice, which she's
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: been happily ignoring. But just a couple of days and
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: she's already acting modest and saying that she's willing to
• 41:11
  Speaker 14: enjoy it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Wrong move.
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: Ah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: According to my numbers, Chris, we're going to get one
• 41:15
  Speaker 14: hundred percent of the vote. Pauline Hanson is going to
• 41:17
  Speaker 14: get one hundred percent of the vote. She doesn't have
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: been performing coalition with nobody. They're going to run the show.
• 41:22
  Speaker 14: They don't even worry about it. These minor parties, they
• 41:24
  Speaker 14: can get out of here.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: The great thing for you, though, Mark, as if there
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: is a coalition government with one nation, you go from
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: being step Mate Studios animator of the Please Explain Cartoons
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and the Super Progressive Movie, to being the national animator
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: and the head of the Australian Film Commission.
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: Screen Australia. I become Screen Australia. I've been pitching this
• 41:46
  Speaker 14: as to Pauline Hanson. I make no illusions of it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 14: I have huge aspirations with government and I will be
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: all sorts of corrupt. I make no illusions of it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: I will push for becoming scream Australia. That is what's
• 41:58
  Speaker 14: going to happen.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Good, It'll be the it'll be the reanimation of Australia.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: We will see tim.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: On a serious note, John Howard, at eighty six years
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: of age, still the day and of Australian politicians on
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: the conservative side. Of course, he's been trying to give
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Susan Lee apparently some advice. You know, don't hold out
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: it'd be too tough with the NATS. Cut a deal,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: get him back on board.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, John Howard, God love him, does get
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: ninety nine percent of things right. I keep falling back to,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: or coming back to his support for the return of
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Martam Turber up his brief retirement. Not all of his
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: advice is a rate. I'd at this point be more
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: inclined to just butt out and let this with this
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: miss sort itself out rather than try and engineer an outcome,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: because a lot of the key players maybe shouldn't be
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: key players at all, and trying to organize a coalition,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: even within the coalition. Let nature take its course a little, perhaps,
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: let's see how that falls.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have heard some wise observers suggesting just let
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: everybody run their own race this time. NAT's liberals one
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: nation see where it all falls. It will be good
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: for them to sort it all out afterwards. But what
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I worry about, Mark is the damage that's been done
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: to the country by a very bad government in the meantime.
• 43:20
  Speaker 14: Yeah, look, that's one hundred percent right. That's why I
• 43:22
  Speaker 14: keep pumping Pauline up and just going like, don't worry
• 43:24
  Speaker 14: about that, don't worry about them. We just keep marching forward.
• 43:27
  Speaker 14: And I think Johnny's going to experience the same thing.
• 43:29
  Speaker 14: I think he's going to go in there, he's going
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: to talk to Sussan and turn around and go these
• 43:32
  Speaker 14: people are actually the sinential lefties. What's going on? Johnny
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: Award might walk out of that meeting where a one
• 43:37
  Speaker 14: nation shirt like for things to turn around one sixty
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: three hundred and sixty degrees, you'd be like, paul and
• 43:42
  Speaker 14: Anson's the only answer. Sorry, guys, that's the way to go.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: But Tim, what a.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Lot of one nation voters are going to have to
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: work out, and supporters are going to have to work out.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: In fact, paul and Hanson is going to be have
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: to work out. How can she be Prime Minister from
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: the Senate.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a bit of an ask, but it's all
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: up for grabs. Mate, we don't have to worry about
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: you know, let's put the facts aside. Let's put constitutional issues,
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: let's put.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: On one side.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Let's just go with the vibe. Remember when the vibe
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: was all the way to let's this much ahead.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and see what happens.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, for a start, Labor recognized Palestine late last year.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Palestine doesn't even exist, So Washington worry about this Senate
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: versus House and Repis distinctions. Just recognize Paul In as
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: the PM.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Just have a reality, have a reality. By this, let's
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: get onto another topic.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: And I noticed the latest data out of Melbourne showing
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that it's still full of empty office space.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: The Melbourne CBD is a ghost zone.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: They say, we know it had it that way during
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: COVID mark, but no signs of recovery.
• 44:48
  Speaker 14: Yeah, man's it's Namageddon. It's one hundred percent again. I
• 44:51
  Speaker 14: was one hundredercent right again it's a labor apocalypse in there.
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: It's really bad. I very rarely go and see the CBD.
• 44:56
  Speaker 14: I saw it last week and it is it is
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: a ghost town. It's it's really bad. There's no you know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: the work workers is what creates a culture in the city.
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: But at the moment, it's just tourists who I feel
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: terrible for, homeless drunks, drug goes. That's it. Like, that's
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: that's all. That's that's all, that's there. It's I feel
• 45:15
  Speaker 14: I feel embarrassed by our by our by our capital city.
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: It's absolutely astonishing. But a but you know, I love
• 45:23
  Speaker 14: going into my office. I don't know why people want
• 45:24
  Speaker 14: to work from home. I love going in my office.
• 45:26
  Speaker 14: You can go into your office. It's got swastika's painted
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: on it. It's really fun to go inside your office.
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: That's a really great place to be. There's a whole wide,
• 45:33
  Speaker 14: sweeping things that need to happen in Melbourne, Mae. We
• 45:35
  Speaker 14: need to fix it up on a lot of angles.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Any update on the on that attack, that vandalization of
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: your offices with the swastika.
• 45:44
  Speaker 14: No, no, none at all, not at all. I'm I'm
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: I'm on every single day I'm on what are the updates?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: What are the updates?
• 45:49
  Speaker 14: Let's go fire it up because I'm i'm I'm I'm
• 45:53
  Speaker 14: horrified by what happened to my office and anyway, but
• 45:56
  Speaker 14: it's it's it's indicative of a wide sweeping problem down
• 45:59
  Speaker 14: there in Melbourn.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: We've got a up Yeah, right, Tim, I want to
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: get your thoughts on this latest development in home shopping.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: From now on you go down to Bunnings, you get
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: yourself a sausage sizzle. You can also pick up a
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: house for the backyard.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Here's a Channel seven's report.
• 46:17
  Speaker 20: Bunnings has entered the housing market to Australia's biggest hardware store,
• 46:22
  Speaker 20: now selling some of the country's cheapest tiny homes.
• 46:26
  Speaker 14: Any handyman will get a hold of our system and
• 46:29
  Speaker 14: have fun with it and be able to get it
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: done in a weekend.
• 46:31
  Speaker 20: They're called elsewhere pods. You can get a waterproof, lockable
• 46:35
  Speaker 20: dwelling from twenty six thousand dollars.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Wak up a house in your backyard. Tim, there's the
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: solution to the nation's housing problem.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: It's interesting, is that, Chris you throw to me on
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: this story. Let's let's find someone who can relate to
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: living in a twenty six thousand dollars pod, which I
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: actually appear to be in as we speak. I love
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: this development because the building sector is so massively overregulated,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: it's so overburdened, and it's and therefore so expensive that
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: if there are ways around it that I mean we're
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: talking about twenty six squad, it's going to be more
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: than that, because regulatory nonsense in Australia is just always
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: going to drive prices up. But if there's a way
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: around it, and if we can Bunnings a fi housing good,
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: and it might also just through competition, drive the rest
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: of the housing sector prices into a more realistic area.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fascinating stuff. We will see.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I might work a couple of stories on my place, Whacker.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: You stack them on top of each other. You're soon
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I'll see me like Harry truck trigger bof help you anyway,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining this, guys, I appreciate it. Martin Nickerson
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: there and Tim Blair the don't forget to read Tim
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Blair stuff through the Dating Telegraph website. I want to
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: just share some of your feedback on my interview with
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson last night. One of your says, easy on,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Chris Kenny. Pauline is absolutely right. She got you there.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: A lot of people didn't like it.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to keep asking you a question. I want
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: to know more about her, especially as she saws in
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: the opinion polls. That's the attitude we need in Australian politics.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Tell it how it is, Senator Hanson. And another viewer
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: says one nation would be crazy to join with the
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Nationals or the Liberals.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of their supporters will be saying and
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: thinking that. And another viewer says, we cannot carry on
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: the way we are. Australia needs real change and that
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: is exactly the sentiment that Pauline Hanson is tapping into.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: So many people think politics as usual just isn't working.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: And while this is a big problem for the right
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: of