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Beyond Belief: Three Cases That Shocked All Expectations · Murders to Music: Crime Scene to Music Scene (Streamline Events and Entertainment)

• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Murders to Music podcast.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: My name is Aaron, I'm your host and thank you guys so much for continuing to support everything that I'm doing.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: You guys are amazing.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: I love it, thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: On tonight's show I want to talk about three times in my career that I was shocked.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: And it's good and it can be bad, right, and if you've done the job for a long period of time, or if you've lived life for a long period of time, you think, man, nothing will shock me.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: I, you know, I pretty much feel like I've been there, I've seen it, I've done it.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: But I want to talk about three different times in my career that are short little snippets, basically three little snapshots stacked together, but the whole end goal of this, the whole thread that connects these are times that I was shocked and I just want to talk about those.
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: So stick around, let's hear them.
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: And at the end, the last one is pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: The last one is positive and it made me cry and it was a positive shock, which is pretty awesome.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: And those don is positive and it made me cry and it was a positive shock, which is pretty awesome, and those don't happen very often in our career.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: All right, but before we get to the heart of the show, there's a couple of things we should cover first.
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: First of all, the motivation for this podcast and the subject of this podcast.
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: Recently I was recording with another podcast called hey Chaplain, and in that podcast there were some very specific questions asked to me about law enforcement and it made me start to think about, you know, and some of the topics were surprises or things that caught me off guard, and that was the motivation for this podcast that you're listening to right now.
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: Second, have you guys ever heard of a podcast called Small Town Dicks?
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: If you haven't, you've got to check it out.
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: It is awesome.
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: So the kind of the whole premise on the show is the host, yardley Smith, which is the voice of Lisa Simpson.
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: Yardley Smith hosts the show and there are three superstars on that show.
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: Two of them are retired detectives and one of them are retired detectives and one of them is a criminalist out of California.
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: What is a criminalist?
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: Well, a criminalist is somebody that helps solve cases through science, and what they do is they bring on detectives, allow detectives to tell their stories and then the three superstars in Yardley, ask questions that dig deeper than surface level.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: Well, recently, another one of my shows was released on that podcast.
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: It's called no One Called it's season 17, episode number two.
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: You guys should definitely check out the Small Town Dicks podcast because it is pretty freaking amazing.
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: And the last thing I want to leave you with is this I need help on Spotify.
• 3:00
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• 3:08
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• 3:23
  Speaker 1: Now let's talk about today's show.
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: You know the career of a police officer or a detective, especially when you're assigned to homicide, child abuse, major crimes.
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: Those types of things can be very dark and depressing and negative, and they can be um, it can really be a burden on the soul, right?
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: They can change the way that you think about life and you think that everybody is negative and everybody is bad.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: But at the end of this, the last one that I want to recap here is man.
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: It's a complete 180 degree turn from what we would typically see, and so I just want to jump right into this.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: The first one that I want to talk about is a double shooting that occurred, and this case came out in the middle of the afternoon.
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: I happened to be working this day in the detective unit and it was still daylight when this case came out.
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  Speaker 1: We heard that there had been a shooting at a local hotel and I got to describe our area.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: So the, the my city is not very big.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, there's, I don't know, 125, 130,000 people, something like that, and one half of the city is decent, it's good, it's got some nice areas, some multimillion dollar homes, and then the other end of the city that takes up about 80% of our resources, 80% of the time.
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: That part of the city is it's terrible.
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: The crime rate at one point was higher per capita than Compton, los Angeles, and that is saying a lot.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: So when we deal with that part of the city, it's very common for us to have the armed robberies, the shootings, the stabbings, the drive-bys, all the stuff that you see in a big city, and I say that because we were a small city, a small town with big city problems and the reason being is that part of the city that's the worst is kind of right on the cusp between us and Portland, oregon, so it's where all the gangsters accumulate, it's where the problems are and you've got multiplied.
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: You've got multi um ethnic group gangsters, right, you got Asians, you've got blacks, you've got Hispanics and they all kind of come together in this melting pot.
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: There's even apartment complexes that have two or three different sets of you know black gangsters, if you will, in that same little complex.
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: So they're constantly inbreeding and fighting and it's it's a it's a tough place to work.
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: There's more than one parking lot that if a patrol car tries to stop a car and they go deep into the lot, we don't follow them without cover because we are the minority there being law enforcement and a lot of people don't like us.
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: So that sets a stage for this part of our city.
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: Now, when this shooting call comes out, it comes out at an, at a hotel that is in kind of the heart of this area, and we know, based on the multiple calls that we're getting, that two people have been shot and the suspect has fled.
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: So patrol response to that hotel is very, very fast because, since they're in the dangerous part or the bad part of the city, there's a lot of police officers around most of the time.
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: So patrol gets there pretty quickly and here's what we find.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: We find that there's a car in the back parking lot of this hotel, and this hotel has a gated parking lot all the way around.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: You have to check in and scan in, to scan out.
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: So we know this car has some ties to this parking lot.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: And when patrol gets there they find that this car is sitting there.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: The doors are open.
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  Speaker 1: There's two women in the car that are slumped over, that have been shot in the head.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: One of the women and this is I don't want to get too graphic but one of the women in the front driver's seat there is brain matter on the window next to her.
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: They both appear to be deceased.
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: So patrol gets there, they clear the scene and we treat this as a homicide investigation.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: The ambulance comes and they take these two women and they load them up into the ambulance and they take them off to the hospital.
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if the ambulance was running code, because at this point these are two deceased women, but they're going to see what they can do.
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: So that night, man, it started off to be a cloudy day, but as the night progressed it started to rain.
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: So the rain offered us a little bit of a problem, because the rain was washing away a lot of our transient evidence, like blood and brain matter and those types of things.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: So we had to set up these canopies and it was a windy night, so we had to go to the store and buy like sandbags, extra sandbags to hold our canopies down.
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: And that night we were using drones to map the crime scene.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: So we're doing that, and I remember it was the first time that we brought our new command unit out to a scene and I had to pee in this like incinerating toilet and it stunk and anyway, that's a different story for a different day.
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: But this is where we're at and as the leader of this homicide investigation, it's my job to make sure that we have the right resources in the right places at the right time.
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: So we just continue to kind of develop this case.
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: This case naturally tends to grow.
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: We're trying to figure out who the victims are and do a victimology on them so we can find the suspects.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: Well, without judging a book by its cover.
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: When we look at these victims, these two women, they were likely engaged in some kind of illegal transaction or something when this whole shooting went down.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: So when we do the victimology, one of the things we do is we try to figure out how are they associated to this hotel.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: Well, when we do that, we go in and we find that one of the ladies has registered the vehicle to the hotel, which gives us a name.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: Then, by using that name, we're able to identify who the second victim is because, remember, they're dead, they're not talking to us.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: So, and when we go and we start digging down, kind of following back this trail of the victims, we find that one of the victims has had an ongoing problem with her boyfriend, who we'll call Sam.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: She and Sam have had an ongoing conflict and a feud and there's been some domestic violence type situations with that.
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: And so we start trying to figure out who the Sam character is.
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: Well, we pull video from the apartment or from the hotel, sorry and when we find it we find that, yep, sam has been coming and going with these two women.
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: So we're like, no, maybe Sam is our person we got to go talk to.
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: So we try to find Sam and Sam is in the wind.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: So when we do a workup on Sam we find that Sam is involved in some white gangster activity in the area.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: He's known to frequent drug houses, known to frequent gangster houses.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: He's got a long criminal history nothing that amounts to murder.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: He's got a long criminal history nothing that amounts to murder.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: But you know your typical robberies and drug stuff and drug dealing and prostitution and those types of things, right?
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: So we're trying to find this Sam character.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: The night, you know, turns to overnight, which turns to morning, and we finally clear that crime scene and we go back to the office and I'm I'm starting to do this paperwork and I go home to get some sleep and that next day I come in and I call the hospital just to figure out where the bodies are and how we can progress in this investigation and when the autopsy is going to be in all of that.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: And when I call the hospital they're like we don't have anybody deceased by those names.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: And we haven't.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that's crazy, cause they took them to this hospital and they were dead when they left the scene.
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: So they get to look in and they're like well, we have somebody by that name and you know, room 21.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: And we have somebody by the other name in room 25 and they're alive.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: And I'm like there's no way these two women are alive.
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: There was brain matter on the window, I saw it.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: So this was during COVID times.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: So I can't go to the hospital and talk to them because, remember, they had the hospital shut down and the whole world was shut down for three months while they flattened the curve.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that this was during that time.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: So I had to call the hospital to try to get in and FaceTime and ultimately I was able to FaceTime with these two women and while one of them was intubated and couldn't talk, the other one is communicating just fine.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: And I am shocked.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like you've got to be kidding me.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: How did these women survive?
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: They were both headshot from a point blank range.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: The investigation showed that, uh, sam was in the back seat of this car with his girlfriend.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: In the front seat of the car was the driver, the female driver of the car.
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  Speaker 1: In the driver's seat, sam and his girlfriend get into a fight in the back seat.
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  Speaker 1: Sam takes out a gun and shoots her in the head from the back seat of the car, literally a contact wound.
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  Speaker 1: Then he gets out of the car and he points the gun at the driver and says there will be no witnesses and he shoots the driver.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: That's when the bull enters the right side of her head and brain matter goes out the left side of her head.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: That is what the investigation has shown.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: So with that, I am completely shocked that I'm seeing two women that are alive.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: So the first one she tells me she does an interview and she essentially lays out the story for me as to what happened and how the whole thing went down.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, how are you still alive?
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: You know God is good and he's given you.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: You're like a cat with nine lives.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: You got eight left.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't waste them.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: This is probably more than one.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: So as time progressed, we were able to talk to the second lady, who was the driver of that car, and once she got, you know, the tube taken out of her throat, she was able to basically give the exact same story.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Now these two women are isolated.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: They're both in separate rooms under COVID conditions, so nobody is talking to them, they don't get a chance to get their story right, but they both told the same story.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: You see, these three were out that day committing other crimes and forgeries and robberies and silly stuff like that.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: And then, when they came back to the hotel, an argument ensued over jealousy, relationships, drugs, money, those types of things.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: And that is when Sam got tired of the nonsense and said I'm going to end this and try to kill these two women.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: So now we got to go on a manhunt for Sam and we start employing our drug unit or sorry, our gang unit and our drug unit to find this guy with surveillance and informant tips.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: And, as luck would have it, you know, a month or two down the road, once these two women have been released from the hospital, we actually find Sam.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: We arrest him and he tells us to pound sand.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: He wants nothing to do with helping us in this investigation, but we were able to take this to trial and during the trial process, sam uh well, the victims took the stand and one of the victims you know she was pretty ballsy.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: She told the whole story and one of the things that she said is and I'm going to quote her she said a bullet to the head wouldn't take me out.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: He was sadly mistaken in saying there will be no witnesses because I'm here today.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: She told the story.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: The second lady she also told the story.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: She wasn't quite as forthcoming, she had a little bit more to reserve because she was a little bit more involved in this situation.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: That was the girlfriend, remember.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: She was the first one to be shot.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: So she told enough to help prosecution but didn't really dig into the details and at the end of the day, sam was convicted of 15 years in prison for shooting these two ladies.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Sam is still in prison today.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: These two ladies came out of this relatively unscathed and I don't know how.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: There's a part of your brain you don't need, but apparently it's the case right.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: It's like you have an appendix in your brain and a portion of it can go away and you're like function just fine.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: There was no drooling, there was no slurred speech, there was no delay or anything in these women.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: They just like, oh, it's another day, it's a Tuesday, totally shocked.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: So that's the way that case resolved.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: And in my history of law enforcement I've seen a lot of shootings.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people die.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I've seen people shoot themselves and not die.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: But they're definitely affected by it, these two women, you could see no effect.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I think they were slow to start with and maybe that's kind of how this whole thing levels out, I think.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think they were the brightest bulbs when this whole thing started, but at the end of the day they I don't know appeared to be just the same.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: So anyway, that is case number one of being shocked and surprised.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: This is the case of fried chicken.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I get a call out and the call out says there's a woman at a hospital covered in cuts and she has been abused at her house and they need the police to respond.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: So I respond into this call and what I find is I find a 19 year old woman who is pregnant and she has tons of cuts all over her stomach and her legs and I she's shaken up, she's not really talking, she's not trusting of men, which I didn't find to be uncommon.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of female victims and, based on their whatever their history is, they find it untrusting to talk to men.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: But in this case I'm all she had and at the end of the day it worked out well for her, but she's in the hospital bed.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: So once she gets released from the hospital a little bit later that night.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Now these are fairly superficial wounds.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: She comes to the police department for an interview.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: So when I get her to the police department for an interview, I talked to her about what happened and she says well, I live in this house and we have foster kids in the home and I'm one of the foster kids and our parents my dad, actually works for a local law enforcement agency and he and my foster mom take in foster kids and keep them for a period of time, help them get back on their feet and then send them back out.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: They don't have any long-term foster kids, but I happen to be one of them.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: While I was under their care and control, I got pregnant.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Here it is and it's life, life happens and I'm going to have my baby, she says.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: But one of the other foster kids in the house, a young 14 year old boy, she said he always treated me a little bit strange or a little bit weird and I didn't know what it was.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: And it really changed after I got pregnant.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: After I got pregnant, his interactions with me became more short, demanding, upsetting, like he was mad at me for something she said.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And then, as time moved on, I just kind of said well, this is the way this little guy is, this 14 year old is.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: We'll call him Jimmy.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: We'll say this is just the way Jimmy is and she's like I don't know what I've done to him.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: So, months go by, she's continuing her pregnancy, she's starting to show a little bit and her belly showing out a little.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: She looks like she's got a little volleyball or something going on.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And this little Jimmy character is getting worse and worse.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Well, on today's date, on the day in question, her parents were out of town they were actually in Las Vegas and she's at home alone and Jimmy comes home.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And when Jimmy comes home, he's acting short and he's acting weird and different.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And she can't quite put her finger on what's going on with Jimmy.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: But he comes downstairs and he starts yelling at her and she can't tell what's wrong.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: But he is starting to talk to her about her pregnancy.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: And how could she?
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And how, how, how dare she sleep with somebody else?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And she's like you know, jimmy, you and I don't have a relationship.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: You are my 14 year old foster brother.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, there, I don't owe you anything.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: We don't, you're.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: You're acting weird.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And that's when he attacked her.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: He attacked her and he cut her up.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: He had a knife and he attacks her.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And in the middle of an attack the phone rings and it's the victim's aunt.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: And the victim's aunt calls and says hey, I'm headed over your way.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Uh, can I get you anything?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And she's like um, you know, yeah, bring me fried chicken.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: That's what the victim says, but hurry up and bring it, cause I'm hungry.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Well, this upset, uh, jimmy.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So, because now the victim is asking for help and wants somebody to show up at the house.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: So Jimmy has to hurry up and finish out what he's trying to do.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So, jimmy, uh, after the phone call, the girl says she was scared to tell her aunt what was going on because Jimmy's there with a knife.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Well, after the phone call, jimmy tries to cut the baby out of her and at this point the victim puts up a big fight.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: And about this time is when the aunt shows up and Jimmy flees out the back, leaving the victim full of cuts and full of scars.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So aunt gets the victim to the hospital and Jimmy is in the wind.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: So that gets, you know, the rest of the story.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: You know, the victim ends up talking to me and here we are.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So now we got to go out to the house and process this crime scene.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: So we go out and process the crime scene and in the meantime we have a contingency looking for Jimmy in the field and we know a couple of hangouts where he goes.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So I go to the crime scene and I process and I remember the crime scene.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: That night we didn't have any crime scene investigators working so I had to lead the crime scene investigation and we go in and we find the evidence.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: We find the bloody sheets, we find the knife, we find all of this.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: But we see where there's been some travels in and out of the underground basement or the crawl space.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: So we go into there and what we find in there is a complete shock.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: We find a shallow grave that has been dug.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Jimmy has went in there and dug a shallow grave.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: It's about two to three feet deep, it's six feet long and there's a big mound of dirt there and we're like holy crap, he was going to cut the baby out, kill the foster sister and bury her under the house.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: This is a well thought out, executed plan.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So we processed that scene and I believe it was the following day we find Jimmy and I bring Jimmy in and interview him and Jimmy literally confesses to all of it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: He confesses to being jealous, being secretly in love with the foster sister, being upset and mad that she got pregnant by somebody else and wouldn't pay him attention.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And he just couldn't.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: His insides could not tolerate the idea or the fact that she was with somebody else.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: So he was going to help end that and his plan was to cut the baby out.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: He waited to attack once parents were out of town in Vegas.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: He was going to cut the baby out of her and then kill her and bury her under the house.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, jimmy got prosecuted for this.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Jimmy was sentenced at that time uh, under laws in our state that allowed him to be sentenced as an adult.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But the laws have since changed.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: So I believe his sentence got changed and honestly I can't remember what it was.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: It was double digits.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: But then they became kinder, softer, gentler and juveniles in a system of reform, even when you try to kill somebody and cut their baby out and at the end of the day I believe his sentence got reduced.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: But that is the story of the chicken and Jimmy and it was just a shocking.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I have never seen a 14 year old go through that kind of a calculated process.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: We're not talking like a split second decision to kill somebody.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: We are talking a cold, calculated plan to murder, bury and cut the baby out of his foster sister.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I am so thankful that young lady survived that attack.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Had it not been for the aunt calling and the victim asking for chicken, which would get the aunt there quicker to bring her food, this case would have a totally different ending.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And the ringing of the bell is case number three.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Ringing of the bell is this Ringing of the bell is in the early 2000s, when I was a police officer in Alaska.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: You know there was a small town.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: We're talking a town of 7,000, 8,000 people.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: There's 19 cops on the police department and about 14 of those are on patrol.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: You know everybody.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: If you've been a cop in a small town, you absolutely know everyone.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: You know who's sleeping with who, who the baby daddies are, who's got suspended licenses.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: It's easy.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's like shooting fish in a barrel really.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And there was a young lady who would always hit my radar.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Her name was Stacy.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Stacy would come up with things like drug use, drug selling, identity theft, credit card fraud, drug selling, identity theft, credit card fraud you know the litany of small crimes that drug dealers and drug users do to support their habit.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So I would deal with Stacy quite a bit.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Stacy had a couple of kids and her kids were young and they were in elementary school and about that time I was a canine officer.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: So I would go into the schools with my dog and do a show and tell with my dog and I remember talking to her son there at the school and when I heard his last name I connected the dots and realized that was Stacy's kid and I was like wow, okay, um, I didn't realize she had kids, but she does.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And here we are.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So I continue to go through this situation with Stacy and I put Stacy in jail more times than I can count.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I arrested Stacy over and over again and typically we had a decent relationship, but by the end she started to hate me because I started to I wouldn't say target her, but I would say she was an easy target, if you know what I mean.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So when you're trying to put rocks in a box and you know, more arrests count.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: That's the way we were and the final arrest I had a Stacy she had had about enough of me.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: But I've got her on a pretty good identity theft case and as I'm sitting down interviewing her, I'm interviewing and she won't crack.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: She won't crack, she won't crack.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: She's showing all the signs, right.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: She's showing all the deception.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I know she's good for it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I've got her on video.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: It's pretty easy, but I still want to try to get that confession to have a little bit of, you know, the cherry on top.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And when I go through this process with her, you know, we finally get to that point where I think she's about to crack and I'm like, stacy, the truth is going to set you free.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: And she's like, no, aaron, the truth is going to send me to jail.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, so fair enough.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And she ultimately confessed and she went off to jail for that case and she was right Right, I mean, her intuition was right.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: The truth was going to send her to jail.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So that's what she did.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: She went off to jail.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: About that time.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: She spent the rest of my time in Alaska in jail.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: She spent a period of years there for that case and I moved on.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: About 2010, I left Alaska and I moved down to the Pacific Northwest to become a police officer.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I spent about 2010 to 2023 being a police officer in the Pacific Northwest and I didn't get back to Alaska much during that time.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I never had a reason to go back, went back for court a couple of times, but they're very short trips.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: But in 2024, I went up to Alaska with my wife at Christmas time to go to some holiday Christmas parties for my new job.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And as we're walking around, we're coming out of a Safeway in Soldot, alaska, and as I walk through the doors, I see a young lady ringing a bell and I uh, stacy was probably five, six years younger than me.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And I see a woman ringing the bell and as we walk by, I make eye contact with her and she's a little bit heavier, but I'm like that's Stacy.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So I walked through the doors and it's cold, it's winter time and she's, you know, ringing Thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And she looks at me and you know we pass each other and I step outside a couple of steps and I'm like I got to go back and talk to her.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: So I double back and I'm like hey, I said, excuse me, is your name Stacy.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: She said, yeah, who are.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Stands up and starts crying and she gives me a big hug and she says Aaron, you have no idea how much you changed my life during that period of time.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: She said you changed my life.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: You changed my kid's life.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Um, you were so impactful for continuing to hunt and follow me and try to keep me straight.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: She says you know, some of the things you said to me has resonated and it has changed my life and my kid now.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: He says you know some of the things you said to me has resonated and it has changed my life.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And my kid now he is you know, he's married and he married a woman with kids and he's doing so well and he's thriving and he's working on the slope and I am doing good and I'm clean and sober and I'm a grandma.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And it was super, super cool just to hear that full circle.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: It's not very often that we in law enforcement get to see the fruits of our labor.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: It's not very often that there's a positive outcome in anything that we do, and it was just such a reminder to me that, no matter what we're doing today, and how negative it looks or this person, there's no hope.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: They've got no value, blah, blah, blah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Whatever lies we tell ourselves right Because we're so jaded and we're so cynical in that world.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: It's not true.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: God has a way of using what we're doing today to affect people tomorrow and I think that we are truly out there doing God's work.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: And it's pretty amazing and that impact, that moment with Stacey as I'm sitting there with tears in my eyes, crying and she is crying, crying and my wife is like what's going on here Um, it was a super, super special moment for me and I will never forget that moment.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: So, stacy, if you're out there listening, I absolutely love the interactions and I love the fact that you've been a part of my world now for 20 something years.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I wish the best to you and your family and your grandkids and I just hope and pray that you guys are at a stable, awesome place.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming into my world in the early 2000s and I am so thankful for where you are today.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I tell these stories because it's not war stories necessarily.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It's just times that we're shocked and as we go through law enforcement, those who have never been involved in it, and you're just kind of out there in that mundane world.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I want you to know that most of our stuff is negative.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: But the last story about Stacey I just want to spin a positive spin on and let you know that not all of everything we do is negative.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And for those that are still caught in the cycling and the rut and out there going to work, and maybe you're in that dark place or maybe you're in a happy place, or maybe you don't even know what place you're in because you don't know what you don't know, there is some positivity in this world waiting.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: So, ladies and gentlemen, I just thank you all.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I wanted to share three quick stories with you guys 30 minutes or so of conversation about experiences in my life, and even when you think you can't be shocked, you can be shocked.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: You guys are absolutely amazing.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I've got some great guests coming up.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: We're coming up on the 100th episode.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Two more episodes and it's episode number 100, which is going to be huge.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So much for listening.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: My name is Aaron and that was a Murders to Music podcast.