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The Battle Over the White House East Wing · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: on this Monday, August seventeenth, twenty twenty six. We happen
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  Speaker 1: But I've got a plan put on smart people instead
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  Speaker 1: of me, and I'm starting with two law professors. The
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  Speaker 1: smart guy is two point zero. James Phillips is the
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  Speaker 1: professor of law at Saint Thomas Law School in Miami Gardens, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: and Professor Josh Blackman is at South Texas School of
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  Speaker 1: Law of course in Houston, Texas. Josh is also the
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  Speaker 1: co author of the best constitutional law casebook out there,
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  Speaker 1: Cases and Materials, which he co author is with our
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  Speaker 1: friend Randy Barnett. Now I asked them on because tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: Chief Justice Roberts will get the submission from the National
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  Speaker 1: Trust for Historic Preservation in response to the petition for
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  Speaker 1: a stay filed by the National Park Service in a
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  Speaker 1: case called National Trust for Historic Preservation versus National Park Service,
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  Speaker 1: which is really about what the President can and cannot
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  Speaker 1: do to his house and the national security facilities around it.
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  Speaker 1: So I'd like to begin with you, Josh Blackman, since
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  Speaker 1: you've got the casebook, I've made my opinion known on X.
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  Speaker 1: The President has reposted that opinion on XI. Think he
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  Speaker 1: agrees with me. What do you think about this and
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  Speaker 1: what do you think the Chief Justice should do? And
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  Speaker 1: what do you think he will do?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having us back. There are sort of two
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  Speaker 3: categories of issues here. First, Joes Trump have the power
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  Speaker 3: of the duty's doing, and second do the courts.
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  Speaker 4: The power to stop it?
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  Speaker 3: And I think the second question is actually more important
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  Speaker 3: and the law there's something called standing. It's kind of
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  Speaker 3: this weird topic, but it means what's it to you?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: In other words, you don't like something, how does it
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  Speaker 3: affect you? And usually in order to go to federal
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  Speaker 3: court to bring a lawsuit, you have to be injured
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  Speaker 3: or hurt by some government action. The weird thing about
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  Speaker 3: this case is no one's really being injured.
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  Speaker 4: You have a person in Washington, d c.
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  Speaker 3: Who likes to walk past the White House and likes
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  Speaker 3: to look at it and reflect on how beautiful it is.
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  Speaker 3: And she says she likes the esthetics of how the
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  Speaker 3: old East Wing looks and doesn't like the new ballroom
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  Speaker 3: that's being constructed. So she says, that's my injury, and
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  Speaker 3: therefore I want a court to order the construction to stop.
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  Speaker 3: The lower court, the trial court said yes, that's enough,
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  Speaker 3: and the court appeals the DC Circus said yes, that's enough.
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  Speaker 3: This is now before the US Supreme Court. We we're
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  Speaker 3: rolling on, I think very soon. I think what the
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  Speaker 3: Court's likely to say is Judge Nami Rouse said in
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  Speaker 3: her descent, there's no injury here that merely not like him.
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  Speaker 3: Something looks like is not a to goit of federal court.
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  Speaker 1: So he's going with part one and going with the
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  Speaker 1: standing out. James Phillips again, I'm gonna ask you the
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  Speaker 1: same question, what will the court do and what should
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  Speaker 1: it do?
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  Speaker 5: I think going with standing is the most likely scenario
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  Speaker 5: for the court because then they don't have to get
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  Speaker 5: into the merits, which you know, can be a little
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  Speaker 5: bit messier, and so it's it's an easy way to
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  Speaker 5: get out that this is, you know what sometimes in
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  Speaker 5: the establishment clause context is called offender observer status, where
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  Speaker 5: someone's offended because maybe there's a cross on Probok property
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  Speaker 5: and it's never been applied outside of the establishment context,
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  Speaker 5: and even there it's on shaky ground. Justice cor Such
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  Speaker 5: and Justice Thomas wrote about this a few years ago.
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  Speaker 5: So I think standing and provides an easy avenue for
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  Speaker 5: the court to get rid of this case. I think
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  Speaker 5: if they get to the merits, the President probably still
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  Speaker 5: wins but I think one thing that's going to be
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  Speaker 5: going on in the back of the court's mind is
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  Speaker 5: there's a concept in the law called latches, which is
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  Speaker 5: when you sit on your hands too long before bringing suit,
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  Speaker 5: that sometimes you can lose your ability to bring suit.
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  Speaker 6: And there was a delay in this case.
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  Speaker 5: The plaintiffs waited, i think four months after he announced
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  Speaker 5: he was going to do this to bring suit, and
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  Speaker 5: by that time the oldest wing had already been demolished.
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  Speaker 5: So and then they didn't even bring the right claims.
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  Speaker 5: The district Court had to dismiss their complaint. It wasn't
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  Speaker 5: until March first that they actually brought the statutory claims
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  Speaker 5: that they have prevailed on below here. So I think
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  Speaker 5: that's going to be going on in the court's mind
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  Speaker 5: of you know, we've got sixty five percent of this
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  Speaker 5: done at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe this is a.
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  Speaker 5: Different case if you bring suit, you know, in July
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  Speaker 5: of twenty twenty five. But I think that's going to
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  Speaker 5: matter to the court because a stay or an injunction
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  Speaker 5: is the court's equitable powers where they can kind of balance,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the equities as they say. So again I
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  Speaker 5: agree that Josh is right here. I think standing is
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  Speaker 5: the most likely way that they go to find standing
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  Speaker 5: here would really kind of alter standing doctrine significantly.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let me play Devil's advocate for a moment,
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  Speaker 1: or at least push us forward to the national security
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  Speaker 1: issue here, and I should declare Judge Dick Learly on
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  Speaker 1: the Senior District Court, judge who made the initial ruling
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  Speaker 1: granting the initial stay, is a longtime friend and co
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  Speaker 1: counsel of mine. He's a fine judge. I think he's
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  Speaker 1: thrown a spanner here. But he was also Dick Cheney's
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  Speaker 1: chief council in Iran contry. He's got a long long
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  Speaker 1: history of public service in Washington, DC. Very smart and
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  Speaker 1: good judge. That said, every judge throws a spanner if
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  Speaker 1: we get past standing, Josh, and we find another plaintiff,
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  Speaker 1: someone who can allege that they were injured by this,
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  Speaker 1: and they can actually pass the usual standing. What say
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  Speaker 1: you about the president's control over the executive mansion and
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  Speaker 1: especially those parts about which the country got a peak
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  Speaker 1: in the declaration of the Army's head of the Army
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  Speaker 1: Corps Engineer As to what is in the basement. People
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  Speaker 1: kind of know it's in the basement, but they don't
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  Speaker 1: really know what's in the basement. I'd been in the basement.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Judge Leon respectfully screwed up here. He said that
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  Speaker 3: President Trump is but a mere tenant of the White House. Well,
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  Speaker 3: that would make Judge lee on the landlords of the tenant,
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  Speaker 3: and that can't be right. The presence of the commander
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  Speaker 3: in chief, the head executive branch and his home, the
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  Speaker 3: most safe place in the United States has to be
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  Speaker 3: the White House. And the President has submitted declarations from everyone,
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  Speaker 3: the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, the secred
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  Speaker 3: Homeland Security, the director of the FBI, the.
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  Speaker 4: Army, jointed chiefs of staff.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone has put a declaration to the Supreme Court saying
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  Speaker 3: this is essential for national security.
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  Speaker 4: It's not just a ballroom.
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  Speaker 3: There's a very large bunker under that structure that we
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  Speaker 3: use for a hospital, a safe base in the ends
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  Speaker 3: of a terrorist attack. There's a medical facility there as well.
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  Speaker 3: And in fact, the roof of the ball roomobile a
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  Speaker 3: drone port. I don't know what that was, but it's
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  Speaker 3: basically a place where drones can take off in land.
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  Speaker 3: Look at other countries like Ukraine and Iran, the threat
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  Speaker 3: of drones is serious there, Hypersonic missiles is serious. And
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  Speaker 3: I think it gets really tricky when federal judges think
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  Speaker 3: they know better on national security and they tell the
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  Speaker 3: President you must stop construction. And I'd like to think
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  Speaker 3: that Chief Justice Roberts and just Kavanaugh, who both worked
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  Speaker 3: in the White House early in their career, would recognize
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  Speaker 3: this simple fact that you can't have judges micromanaging how
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  Speaker 3: the present manages his own security infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent, James Philips. I want to give you the last
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  Speaker 1: word before we go to break. Don't go any anywhere
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  Speaker 1: America and bring them back on the other side to
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  Speaker 1: talk more national security stuff and this Supreme Court. James,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about the national security issue?
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  Speaker 5: You know, the Supreme Court historically tends to defer to
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  Speaker 5: the executive branch when there are questions of national security.
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  Speaker 5: Not always, but I think it's unlikely that they're going
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  Speaker 5: to engage in second guessing of what is necessary to
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  Speaker 5: make the White House secure and what is not. So
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  Speaker 5: I think there's going to be a lot of deference
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  Speaker 5: here to the President and other officials who have determined
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  Speaker 5: that this is necessary.
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  Speaker 1: Would there be an advantage, James in some dicta here,
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  Speaker 1: even if they say, even if the Chief Justice says
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  Speaker 1: and the majority agree with him, that the stay was
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  Speaker 1: improvidently issued or the injunction was providently issued in the
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  Speaker 1: stay of it is in place for some guidance to
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  Speaker 1: other lower courts about messing around with national security facilities.
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  Speaker 5: You know, dicta at the Supreme Court is law for
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  Speaker 5: lower courts in a way, So there's always it's always helpful,
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  Speaker 5: given the Court doesn't take a lot of cases every
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  Speaker 5: year to provide guidance whether or not. You know, sometimes
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  Speaker 5: Chief Justice Roberts takes a more minimalist approach. It's not
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  Speaker 5: always the case, and so he may want to just
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  Speaker 5: decide this issue and save the broader issue of national
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  Speaker 5: security for another day. But it's possible that there could
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  Speaker 5: be some asides here that reached this issue more broadly
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  Speaker 5: and kind of you know, there's been a lot of
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  Speaker 5: activity by the lower courts with things that the President
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  Speaker 5: has done in this term, and it's possible that the
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  Speaker 5: Court is starting to get a little impatient with some
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  Speaker 5: of that. So we may see if they, you know,
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  Speaker 5: try to get the lower course to fall a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more in line with this case or they just,
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  Speaker 5: you know, focus just on the issue.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to come back with Professors Blackman and Phillips, because,
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  Speaker 1: as Professor Blackman noted, the Chief Justice spent a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years in the White House Council's office. He knows
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  Speaker 1: the White House Compound completely well as does Justice Kavanaugh.
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  Speaker 1: Can I think maybe the rest of the district courts
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  Speaker 1: going off on prolicts and detours this year may also
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  Speaker 1: figure in this Tomorrow's stay tuned and if you're on
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  Speaker 1: with it. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewett and the
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  Speaker 1: August break when Congress has gone back doing their jobs
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  Speaker 1: in their district. I'm joined at the beginning of this
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  Speaker 1: hour by Professor Josh Blackman of South Texas School of Law,
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  Speaker 1: author along with Randy Barnett. If I think the finest
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  Speaker 1: casebook about to become its fifth edition, Cases of Materials
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  Speaker 1: on constitutional law, I hope that's on time, Josh, is
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  Speaker 1: that on time? Am I going to have it?
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  Speaker 4: It would be out in December?
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  Speaker 1: All right? For jan you'll be ready double checking. And
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  Speaker 1: James Phillips is teaching more courses than I can count
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  Speaker 1: at Saint Thomas University at Miami Gardens in Florida. Josh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back and stipulate we find a plaintiff
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  Speaker 1: with standing and stipulate the wave latches. Let's say a
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  Speaker 1: contractor he didn't have a chance to bid, or a
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  Speaker 1: contractor upscrewed, they that they were their bid wasn't accepted.
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  Speaker 1: And get to the national security issue. What can the
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  Speaker 1: chief Justice take judicial notice of as well as the
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  Speaker 1: other justice as it goes to the entire court when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to threats that are evolving rapidly on the matrix.
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  Speaker 3: Well, keep in mind President schump has had how many
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  Speaker 3: assassination tempts I've actually lost count.
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  Speaker 1: They're at least four.
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  Speaker 4: They tried to shoot them at Butler, they.
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  Speaker 3: Tried to shooting at the golf course, they tried to
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  Speaker 3: come with the correspondent center, they tried to fire a
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  Speaker 3: shoulder fell and missile of him and Iran. And in Turkey,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, at some point, I think the court can.
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  Speaker 4: Say that the judiciary.
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  Speaker 3: Lacks the cognizance, lacks the knowledge over the threat matrix
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  Speaker 3: facing the president, and that as perhaps a matter of
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  Speaker 3: balancing the equities.
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  Speaker 4: Right, let's just weigh it out.
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  Speaker 3: Some woman, some contractor claims that they got you know,
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  Speaker 3: screwed in a bid.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well that's a problem.
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  Speaker 3: You can remedy that with monetary damages. Perhaps another side,
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  Speaker 3: the leader of the free world might be killed by
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  Speaker 3: a droom strike.
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  Speaker 4: This one doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: Strike me as very difficult, especially given the fact, as
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  Speaker 3: James mentioned, the building is more than halfway done and
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  Speaker 3: they're working was twenty hours a day, six days a
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  Speaker 3: week to construct this thing as a natural security infrastructure.
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  Speaker 3: So I could even see the Chief Justice just sitting
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  Speaker 3: on this case for a few months and okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: now there's eighty five percent done. Given the amount of workdone,
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  Speaker 3: there's nothing really press to do, and they just deny
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  Speaker 3: the or they grant the government's emergency stay, and then
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  Speaker 3: you know, when the case comes back to the court
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  Speaker 3: in a year or so in the normal process, they
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  Speaker 3: just deny it because the thing's built. It's done, right,
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to demolish a structure at the White
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  Speaker 3: House because the judge tells you to.
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  Speaker 1: So, James, I'm going to ask you for the limiting principle.
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  Speaker 1: I think Josh is right. That's my position. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's the president's position and common sense national security position.
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  Speaker 1: What's the limiting principle? Because opponents of this will say, well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do this to the White House, Maybe he
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  Speaker 1: can do it to the Department of Energy, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: he can do it anywhere he wants in the United
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  Speaker 1: States that he declares a national security site. What's the
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  Speaker 1: limiting principle?
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  Speaker 5: Well, the statutes that issue here do give the president
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  Speaker 5: authority to make alterations or improvements to the White House
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  Speaker 5: as well as any buildings on national parks, which includes
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  Speaker 5: the President's Park. So I think that would limit him
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  Speaker 5: to be able to redo any building owned by the
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  Speaker 5: federal government anywhere in the country or the world. So
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  Speaker 5: I think the statute is going to provide a limiting
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  Speaker 5: principle here, and you know the degree of what the
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  Speaker 5: president can do. The court, if it gets to the merits,
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  Speaker 5: will probably also look at that language. So an alteration
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  Speaker 5: or improvement is one thing. Raising the White House and
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  Speaker 5: starting over with, say, you know, an Egyptian Pyramids style
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  Speaker 5: monument or something probably doesn't fit within the meaning of
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  Speaker 5: alteration and improvement. So I guess is that they'll rely
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  Speaker 5: on the statutory language to find some of that limitation.
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  Speaker 1: Back to you, John, I'm not sure I want to
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  Speaker 1: go down that road, because when the Constitution was ratified,
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  Speaker 1: there was no National Park Service. There was an executive branch,
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  Speaker 1: and I think implied in that, and the commander in
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  Speaker 1: chief is a lot of authority to control the structure
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  Speaker 1: of his home, his offices, and the national security facilities
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  Speaker 1: in the United States, what were they operating under where
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  Speaker 1: there's always congressional statute. He couldn't build anything or do
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  Speaker 1: anything until the Congress authorized it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's two sides of that.
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  Speaker 3: First off, the president's money, right, the president can't spend
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  Speaker 3: money less as an appropriation, but Congress is appropriate a
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  Speaker 3: lot of money, and in this case he's actually saw
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  Speaker 3: private donations from donors to help fund this work. The
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  Speaker 3: second issues are the constitutional authority. The president has the
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  Speaker 3: power of self defense right even.
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  Speaker 4: Before there's a secret service.
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  Speaker 3: I think was made following the Civil War of memory service,
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  Speaker 3: or at least in the eighteen hundreds, there wasn't really
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  Speaker 3: a form of protection for the president, but it was
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  Speaker 3: always interested that there needs to be security for the president,
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  Speaker 3: there actually be some sort of guard with him.
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  Speaker 4: And this just doesn't strike me as beyond the pale.
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  Speaker 3: Historically, President Roosevelt tore up much of the East Wing himself.
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  Speaker 4: He built it.
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  Speaker 3: President Truman constructed this massive balcony. Jerry Ford built the
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  Speaker 3: swimming pool. You know, we'd say the Rose Garden without
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  Speaker 3: Jackie Oh's Jackie Jackie Kennedy's sort of vanity project at
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  Speaker 3: the time. There have been lots of alterations to the
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  Speaker 3: President's mansion since the time of John Adams moving in,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that we're sort of we're losing the
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  Speaker 3: thread when we have federal judges with the spectators leon
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  Speaker 3: basically dictating to the present how he should keep himself safe.
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  Speaker 3: I do think that we've really gone a drift. If
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  Speaker 3: this is the sort of litigation in the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 3: has to decide. There are lots of the hard case
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  Speaker 3: of the course to decide. This one doesn't strike me
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  Speaker 3: as terribly difficult.
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  Speaker 1: All right, last question, I want to get both your
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  Speaker 1: opinions on this. James Phillips. Has the Supreme Court been
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  Speaker 1: pro Trump anti Trump? John Roberts in the bag firm
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  Speaker 1: are always hostile to him, and ditto the sixth Justice
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  Speaker 1: originalist conservative majority.
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  Speaker 6: They're neither.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they've ruled honest behalf in some things against
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  Speaker 5: him and others. I think they're showing their judicial independence,
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  Speaker 5: even some of those who had been nominated by him.
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  Speaker 5: So I haven't seen this court as either pro or
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  Speaker 5: anti Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Blackman, I agree with James.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have a pro or anti Trump court.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: But it's a sort of striking thing that the votes
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: most likely for Trump are from going he did to
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: a point, just as Clarence Thomas the Semlito are the
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: most strong votes for Trump, Chief Justice Roberts and the
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: less present Justice Barrett is most voting anti Trump. I
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: think they all sort of see the law and sort
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: of legal politics in different lenses. But I don't think
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: it's their part is an any sort of sense of
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: right left. Think they just view the role of judicia
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: a little bit differently.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I think you are both right on that. Josh Blackman
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: from South Texas University School of Law. James Phillips from
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Toom Saint Thomas University s GOO of LO on Miami Garden, Florida.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you both for joining me the Smart Guy's two
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: point zero on a special August emergency session. Normally, and
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: we only do this when they are big decisions coming down,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: not on a on a DC Circuit Court opinion that's
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: been appealed on an emergency basis to the Supreme Court.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you, professors. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewittt, joined
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: by James Lylex who's a humorist extraordinaire National Review writer
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: of course, a columnists for Substack at James Lilacs dot
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: substack dot com. You can follow him on Exit Lilyx
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and go to his website James Lylyx dot com. James,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: before there was Fox, before there was actually the same
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: news channel. Before there was Fox, and before there was CNN,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: there was this long period of time when your choices
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: were just the Big three networks or c SPAN. And
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I think I saw my grandfather, who was born in
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the nineteenth century and lived well into the twentieth watch
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: c SPAN more than any other network. What do you
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: think of c SPAN. I think it's an American treasure.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: It absolutely is. It's the Weather Channel for thinking people.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: Well, some folks was just turned on the Weather channel
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: with just watch you know, there's a cold front coming in.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: But se SPAN, you could always be depended upon that
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: be some people talking about some issue that maybe wasn't
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: paramount on everybody's mind at the day.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: But mattered.
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: And so yes, if you take the entirety of sea
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: SPAN's coverage, and I'm sure that somebody's got it digitize,
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: you have a record of American thought that's extraordinary and
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: unlike anything that we've had before. So it's not that
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: it's flashy and special and fantastic and exciting. It's just
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: the throat and the bloodstream of American politics and culture.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So good for them. Do you remember how Newt Gangridge
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: revolutionized se span?
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: Not exactly, no, but I'm sure that he used it
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: to his advantage to get the ideas across because you're right,
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: there were just the networks and the magazines, and you
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: had your fight your way past the gatekeepers, and an
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: unmediated thing that you could just broadcast lives to people was.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Made all the different. Well, they had revise an extended
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: remarks period every day after the official business session closed,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and c SPAN carried that, so it would go down
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: there and give stem winders. Now they're limited to five minutes,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I believe to revise it. And he actually changed minds
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: up until he won in nineteen ninety four. And I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: think he just had unfiltered access to the American people
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: as fabulous.
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: Right, And if I recall correctly, the chamber was often empty,
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: but that didn't matter because the people he were speaking
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: to were not in the room, which she always had.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: That's right. Now. From that, should we have an opinion
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court proceedings being televised against which I
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: am firmly.
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: Set against which I am firmly set to, let me
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: just do it to unpack that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: I don't want to televise them. No, I want them
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: to be shrouded in mystery.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: I want the whole thing for the rest of this
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: of the American experiment. All I want to see are
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: hand drawn sketches that somebody does of some guy standing
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: up there giving his arguments. No, it would demystify it,
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: it would take it away. I want that to be.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: In that chamber and not broadcast.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: All right now, speaking of the Supreme Court, and you'll
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: notice the very elegant transition that occurred there. They're sitting
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: on the Chief Justice's a desk, a application from the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: President of the United States via the National Park Service
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: to crush the DC Circuits decision telling him he cannot
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: finish his ballroom, which is in fact the East Wing,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: which includes the basement of the East Wing, which includes
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the national security stuff and the roof which is supposed
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to be a drone part with which to protect the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: White House. What do you think about that? Right?
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: I think it's absolutely preposterous. I mean, there's all kinds
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: of about historical preservation and the rest of it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Well, it's gone.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: We're not going to build it back the way it was.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: We're not going to build it back better.
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: And I'm a little worried, as a matter of fact,
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: that they got rid of what is it called the Peak,
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: that military bunker.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Complex down under there that we always saw.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: In the movies whenever the Rooskies were something up to
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: and they'd have to scurry down to the bunker. If
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: that's not there, what's the president going to do if
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: there is an emergency? Are they going to put them
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: in a closet somewhere that's steal lined Are they going
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: to whisk him off to some other facility that isn't
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: six stories?
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: No, No, build the darn thing. We know who the
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: donors are. We know Apple's got money in it, met
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: has got money in it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: So they'll be good Internet access and with Apple auroting
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: systems and apps and all the rest of it. But
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: if they don't build it, then what are we going
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: to have? Exactly are we going to have a half
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: constructed shell of a ballroom? Now DC has known this before.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: The Washington Monument was just a stump for a long time,
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: a thumb.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: That just sat there. Is a sort of uncompleted monument.
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: And I hate to think that we would have decades
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: go by with the shell, the walls, you know, pigeons
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: roosting on the never finished complex because we got caught up.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: In these ridiculous lawsuits.
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: If anyone, the president had wanted to build it, it would
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: have been a testament to American renaissance and and a
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: wonderful return to the values that made us great.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: But now because it's Trump, you know where they have
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: to fight it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Well, the build That's my theory. If it had been
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: w or Obama or Biden, everyone or Truman or any
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: everyone would have said, because Fdr dug that bunker out
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: in the East Wing in nineteen forty two for a reason.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: That's why they have the war rooms in London for
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a reason. If someone drops a bomb on it, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: nowadays we look at Ukraine, they get anywhere they want
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: in the Black Sea. It's it's not going to be
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: long till someone comes up with this, right.
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: Right, absolutely, So we should be lucky.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: Moreover that it was fromp who decided to do this,
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: because he has show we say that particular architectural perspective
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: that is more in line with a White House. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: tend to think that a Barack Obama had proposed something
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: like this, we might have gotten a version of his library, brutalistic, uncomfortable, looming,
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: blowering presence in Chicago, you can possibly imagine.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: So we might have got a modernist.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: To come in and say, no, we're going to do
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: this in a style that completely clashes with the rest
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: of DC because we know better now, and it would
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: be some modernist piece of nonsense that nobody would really
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: want to spend time in. So, yes, it's big, it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: over scaled, it's a little bit gaudy, but it's needed,
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: and let's build it and get on with it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: For Heaven's Yea.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I actually read the documents, the Army corp of Engineered documents. Yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the ballroom's pretty big, and yeah it's pretty thick, but
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the reason is it's got to absorb blows to protect
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the bunker, right, and no one ever ever did. We
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking about this, but we are.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: No. And what's more, this is America.
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: Are you here to tell me that we should we
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: should refrain from building oversized ballrooms? Are you telling me
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: that it's somehow in a front to the scale of
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: the world, that our ballrooms are inordinately large. Build them
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: as large as you like, build them so big you
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: could have four Olympic.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Baseball court a basketball courts in there and have some
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: people playing.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: You don't give him any ideas.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Yes, but no, it's it's it's it's a ridiculous little story.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: And I hope that it concludes with this massive, big,
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: beautiful ballroom bunker being built to the specifications and we'll
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: be safe.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: James, you may have launched a phone call to the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: organizing committee in LA. Have you thought about that there?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: It might not be the ball. It may not be basketball,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: but they could run fencing in there and get more
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: attention than it would ever otherwise receive.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: You want to get there, You want to get the
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: liberal suburban wine moms on border of this thing.
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: Say that it could be used.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: For pickleball ten times a month or something like that,
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: and then you know they'd go for that in a
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: big pickleball court.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: James Lylex, thank you friend. Follow LICs on Accent, Lilacs,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: James List, substack dot com, read them in Nash Review,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: look at his website, LICs dot com. Stay with me.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back on the dow At show. I'm
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: big primary left in the United States competitive primary. It's
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: on the Republican side. It's in the Granite State in
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire where two former senators are facing up. Former
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Senator Scott Brown and former Senator Johnson Hunu are both
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: running in the Republican side. So I thought I would
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: use this week when I'm on not only the Sale
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: News Channel the Salem Radio Network are wonderful radio affiliates,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: but also see Span two to invite both of them
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in to talk a little bit with those in New Hampshire.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Are watching or listening, and Senator Scott Brown leads us off. Senator,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: welcome back, good to see you, bring us up to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: speed on your campaign and on now look coming up
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to September.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Eighth, well first of all, twenty two days left and you,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: it's good to see you and be on your show again.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: In a good day to all of your viewers and listeners. Yeah, listen,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: it's been fun once again, still fun. I'm working every day,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: going four or five, six seven places a day, and
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I don't see John anywhere. And respectfully, as we've talked
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: about in many, many times, New Hampshire is always traditionally
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: broken within the last three to four to five weeks,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and that's what we're seeing happening with surging. Just ordered
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: another two thousand signs today to get them out and
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: people are donating money. I just sent you my new
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: ad and we're up on Fox and other multimedia platforms
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and here we go.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: So, Senator Brown, I'm just a rank Republican partisan, and
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: so I'd like to know which of you has a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: better chance of beating Chris Pappus in the fall. And
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Senator Sanuna will say it's Tim and I'm
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: sure you'll say it to you, but what's the argument
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: for you?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Well, the argument is I'm the only one in this
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: race out of both those people that has any military experience,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: as you can see almost forty years joined after the
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Blizzard of seventy eight as in a list of man
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and my last four at the Pentagon advising the Joint Chiefs.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I'm the only person who has any diplomatic experience, having
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: served almost four years in the Inner Pacific, New Zealand,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Cook New Waysmhore and Antarctica. And more importantly, and most importantly,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I'm the only person in this race who's a grandfather
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: who understands the challenges that our young families are going through,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: whether it's the high cost of housing, healthcare, childcare, food, energy,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and they don't have any clue when it comes to
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: those things. They can talk a big game, but respectfully,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: people in New Hampshire care about these things. And here's
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing. If you look at Johnson Unuo, all
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the support he's getting from SLF and AFP and Senate
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: leadership on the NRSC, and then you got Chris Pappas
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: a litany of who's who in the Special interests. The
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: only special interests I have are the people of New
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Hampshire and that's what's happening in this breaking late that
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: independents are saying, yes, Scott, you're the guy who can
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: call balls and strikes. I can't. I don't have to
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: kiss the presidents, but every single time, like John has
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to do now because he got the.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Endorsement, so let me do it. An aside, I drove
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: down to see you last year from Maine, I drove
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: down to New Hampshire and we spent most of the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: time talking about girls basketball to left field. I just
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: want to ask you what you think about what's going
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: on in the WNBA, because you're a girls' basketball code.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: It was funny you introduced me. You said, don't call
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: me ambassador, don't call me senator or call me coach.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: What do you think about this? Bess Well?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I wrote an up ed today in Unions The Union Leader,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: which I'll send to your staff, saying that the WNBA
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: is running a foul and it's unbelievable what Sophie Cunningham
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: did and what in his canter former Celtic are doing
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: now to prove a point. If you can't tell me
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: what a woman is. I mean, it's ridiculous. My daughter
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: played college basket a Boston College committee at fifteen years old,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and yeah, they used to train with boys who would
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: come on and make them better because they're bigger and stronger.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But to think that somebody is going to take their
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: medal of scholarship is abhorrent and just completely immoral. So
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I wrote that up thet I encourage people to go
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to Scott brownd dot com and find it. It'll go
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: to the Union Leader because if the WNBA doesn't get there,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: you know what, together, they're going to lose a lot
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: of fans like me. And the only reason I will
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: watch the WNBA's not for Angel Reese or anyone Else's
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: for Caitlin Clark and now Sophie Cunningham. I watched last
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: night as a matter of fact, a great overtime win.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: So you mentioned grandkids. I've got them too. In fact,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: they've been with me for most of the summer and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I'm banged up and bruised up as a result. They're
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: all young kids. I'm curious, do you think there is
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a break between the rising generation and the existing generation
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: about common sense constitutionalism? Do you notice that out on
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this road.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course, yesterday. We have signs all over the state,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: probably five to seven thousand of them, and somebody sent
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: us a picture up near Keene, my two by four sign,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: then a smaller sign handmaid saying shoot ice you know which, Yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: that's obviously somebody who's deeply disturbed this disconnect when it
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: comes to right and wrong, potentially working harder, supporting our
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: traditional values. Things are a little bit up down and respectfully,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Chris Pappus represents that he pushes for the men and
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: boys and women in squirrels, sports, open border, sanctuary cities,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: all this stuff that Mom, Donnie Graham Plattner. You know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I'll say I had all those folks push.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: That's who he is, that's who he's running. He's the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: new face of the Democratic Party aka DSA party, and
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: people in New Hampshire don't want that for sure.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: So Suny Brown, when I watch TV in Maine, I
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: always get New Hampshire political ads because of the Portland
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: TV market going down into northern New Hampshire. What has
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: been the money gap between you and Senator sow.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Oh it's huge, it's huge. But you know, once again,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: we already planned. We plan to have enough money to
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: do what we always do in a state like New Hampshire,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: which is to come out the last four to five weeks.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, we have billboards Manchester, Nashua right on ninety five.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: We've been doing radio for three or four weeks. We
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: are on the air as of today in Fox, and
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: you are and others. I just sent you a text
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to do my ad, which I hope you enjoy, and
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: we have three or four in the can. I'm shooting
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: another one tomorrow.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Listen, he's got the support from If you look at
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: his ads, you'll see you know that it says paid
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: for by the NRSC. He's not paying for those, it's
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: approved by him. And he's not doing anything. He's already
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: picking out the drapes, just like Martha Cokeley did. And respectfully,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: people notice here in New Hampshire, they're saying, where the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: heck is John? And then when I say, when I
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: meet people, said to say, well, I'm going to I
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: like Chris the governor, And he said, well, this isn't Chris.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Because then a signer just says it's John. They go,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: who the hell is John? I said, he's a former Senator,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: is that where's he been well? For twenty years, he's
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: been working for the World Economic Forum, and you know
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: the banks that he bailed out making millions. He left
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Congress eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars of wealth. He's
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: worth thirty six million. And I don't begrudge anyone from
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: making money. God bless him, but that don't go around
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: saying that you're fighting for New Hampshire because they can't.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: They're so tight end with the special interest And as
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I said before, the only special interest I have with
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the people in New Hampshire, and my sole job is
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: to represent and solve problems for them. Don't They can't
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: say that, They just can't. It makes so counterintuitive.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: All right? So I want to close by talking about
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Chris Pappus. Is he a DSA or is he as
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: nutty as those people?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty close. He just put out something he's
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: been there seven years about every election cycle he gets
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: on face Twitter and our acts and Facebook and he says,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I'm doing this, I'm filing this bill, I'm stopping this.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: He's done nothing. He just did something about the insider trading,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: and you you know I did it within seven, eight,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: nine months, and when I left, they weakened it. Now
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: he's just saying I'm supporting it and this and that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I call bs on him. I went on Action and
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: called him out, and he responded and says, okay, Scott,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: and he puts an headline saying that he opposes Pelosi. Well, dude,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: what have you been doing for the last seven years? Well,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Pelosi and he and others. This is the guy who
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: married a guy who was working at Amazon, yet didn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: disclose it, and voted for all the Amazon bills in favor,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: you know, which he and his partner husband have stock in.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I mean, don't don't you know
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: what you know?
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Whatter?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know they need to work and be
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: honest with the people in New Hampshire.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: For sure, I had no idea. I actually had no
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: idea about that Amazon story. I know he's married and
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: his husband was working, but I had no idea that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: they own Amazon stock and it's not the was it
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: disclosed on his congressional disclosure for him.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Well, if you do the research right in the newspapers,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: there's an ethics complaint that the Hope that apparently is
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: being filed because he voted on these bills. You know
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: he didn't. He didn't renounce himself, he didn't recuse himself,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: he didn't make any type of disclosure. So listen, we'll
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: see what happens. But bottom line is yes, to answer
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: your question, he opened border century cities, more spending, more taxes.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: He doesn't support the qualified immunity for a law enforcement.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: He's almost there. But he has not rejected Mom, Dannie Platner,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: ELSEI ed, any of those folks, has not rejected them
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: at all. And he can't answer like whether whether he
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: supports them or not because he doesn't want to rile him.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Just like Jeffries. You saw Jeffries. He came out and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: now they're attacking him. They're scared. That's the divide between
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. It's not you know, Bill Clinton, it's
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: not Obama's. It's not their party anymore.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: JFK.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: It's Thesa's party. And there's a rift. And the traditional
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Democrats that I know and care about, they better start
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: stepping up and taking notice and fighting back.
• 35:27
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• 36:31
  Speaker 1: right back with my buddies. Selena Zito states here, Welcome
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: back America. I'm here, Hewett joined now by my front
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of me. Selena Zito columnists of the world. She is,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: of course the columns for the Washington Post. She writes
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: for the Washington Examiners. She writes for the Pittsburgh Post
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Gazette and the New York Post. See the author of
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: two best sellers, The Great Revolt and Butler. She's at
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: work on the United States of Appalachia Appalachia. I don't know,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I she said that. She said it, Yeah, at Palachia
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and the the ins are kind of way and Selina
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: right now, we're also not only on the Salem News
• 37:08
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• 37:13
  Speaker 1: TV stations, but Amazon as well, and the Salem Marino Network.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: We're also on she Span today because of our friends
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: over there, Sam Feist and Howard Mortman and our old
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: friends Peter Slann and Brian Lamb. And I'm just wondering
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: for your two best sellers, either The Great Revolt or
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think Butler. I think that Brian Lamb would
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: have retired by the time you did Butler. But did
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you get a chance to be interviewed by Brian Lamb
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: for The Great Revolt?
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: I did not.
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: I did not, But maybe Brad Todd did, because sometimes
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: we split up our interviews.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I hope so. Because he's the best book interviewer in America.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Peter Slander is now the best book interviewer in America,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and both of those books deserve it. However, boy, do
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I have bones to pick with you? First of all,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: because I follow Selena on X at Zito, Selena, I
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: wake up this morning and I see this video running
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: in my X feed, and it's a course of the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Steelers showing up at Heinz Field. That's actually the way
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh stadium Heinsfield looks. And Selena, what is this?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Why am I looking at this this morning?
• 38:27
  Speaker 10: Okay, that's not Heinz Field. That is Saint Vincent's College
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: in Latroe.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Saint Vincent or St. Benedict's.
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: Yes, it's a Benedictine Okay, Priory and or Monk Monastery.
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry Priory for nuns getting my Catholic stuff all
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: mixed up. And this is where the Pittsburgh Steelers have
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: been holding training camp since nineteen sixty six. It's one
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: of the few NFL teams that still holds their not
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: only hold it at college. That's not what makes it unique.
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: The guys all stay in the dorms for the indoor duration.
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: They're there for three weeks straight. They stay in the dorms,
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: they hang out. They actually the other I think it
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: was last night, they had a baseball game between each other.
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: And it's just like sort of a really great bonding
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: experience for these guys. But La trumb Is, you know,
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: people forget that the first football game, first professional football game,
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: was played there.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: We go, there, we go. Where is the football Hall
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: of Fame? Selena? Yeah, your second column this week, another
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: piece of propaganda for Injerland. The reason that people go
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: from Appalachia, they go to Ashtabula County and Geneva on
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the Lake and you put about this pure piece of
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: puffery about some island I've never heard of.
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: That's pres style. It's a state park. Uh, it is
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: absolutely beautiful, and so is Geneva on the Lake. I
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: think that whole region up there is really underappreciated.
• 40:19
  Speaker 10: And I think you agree with me. You my people
• 40:21
  Speaker 10: that don't understand that that was.
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: Our beach, right, We would go there and we would
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: tell people, yeah, we're going to the beach, and they
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: know what we meant.
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: We weren't going to the shore. We were going to
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: Lake Erie.
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: And that was and I love that these are still
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: very highly popular beaches.
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: President Trump was just a geneva on the on the lake.
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: Last week.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: He picked well, he chose wisely. He went to Ohio
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and not Pennsylvania. Uh, Selena, I want to ask you
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: about Lake Erie. This is a Lake Erie question. I
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: was at put In Bay two weekends ago and I
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: am told there is a water quality issue in the lake.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Again there was in the sixties. They fixed it. Is
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: there now, not that I know of.
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: I mean, that was a big thing in the sixties
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: and seventies, and rightly so.
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: But if there was an airquots or a waterfall of
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: the alert, it certainly didn't.
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: There wasn't any talk of it at Erie. In fact,
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: I will tell.
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: You I was stunned at the amount of people that
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: were at the beach. We're not talking twenty, we're not
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: talking thirty. We're talking about hundreds of families at all
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: eleven beaches along presque Isle. And it was really wonderful
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: just to see sort of that tradition of going there
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: either for the day if you lived under two hours,
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: or for a couple of days and you camped, either
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: staying on the Pennsylvania side or going over towards Vermillion
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: in Ohio. These are great little lake towns that really
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: give a real sense of America and Appalachia in Pennsylvania
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: and Ohio. Where people don't even realize that parts of
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: Appalachia touch a great leg Well.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah they do. And I'm going to be in Erie
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit later this year for Steve Scully, another
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Sea Span veteran. Steve runs that. Yeah, he runs the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the Erie Speaker series and it's a very big speaker series.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: What I wanted to ask you is it has been,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: in fact the case that here he goes, So goes
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania's Pennsylvania go So goes the nation. How is Erie
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: faring right now?
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: Actually it's doing really well. I've never seen Erie doing
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: so well.
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: There's lots of talk up there and resurgence with data
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: power centers, which are like a bad word if you
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: go online, but when you talk to real people about
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: real benefits, especially in repurposed brown fields, they mean real
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: jobs and bringing communities back.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: There also enormous tax revenue. I had Center State Center
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: of Backport from Texas, one county doubled its annual tax
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: revenue with one data center. I wish this would get
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: out there. They produce enormous revenue for county and local government,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: which is not to be sneezed.
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: At, absolutely not.
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: I mean, you and I watched this in places like Warren,
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: in Pittsburgh and Youngstown where you saw, you know, the
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: churches just disappear, schools disappeared, barbershops, gas stations because all
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: of the tax base left with the steel mills. Now
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: the revenue is coming back in different forms. It creates
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: jobs up to ten thousand jobs per data center for
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: at least anywhere between five to ten years. But also
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: there's a trickle out experience that impacts communities in a
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: very positive way.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: So is there is there one an Erie? Has one
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: been built near the shore up there?
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: Not yet?
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: No, But these are all places that they're talking about,
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: and you just see a resurgence period in and around Erie,
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: but also in Astabula County, Warren County, where people are
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: understanding that places that have been abandoned Brownfield's old mills,
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: co fired power plants along the rivers have a usefulness
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: that can bring these communities back and stabilize their population
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: erosion with these facilities, with the.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Revenue base as well, with police and fire and emergency services.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: That's the other story. Selena Zita tells it almost every
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: day in this paper or that President Trump call you
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: this week, Selena, just checking? No, if you did not
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: just checking every week, I got to ask follow on
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: exit Zito. Selena read everything she writes at Selenazito dot
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: com and come right back. I'm welcome back America. You
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Hewett here, and I'm joined by Aaron Flint. He's a
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: candidate for the United States Congress from Montana. There's only
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: one congressional district in Montana, and Aaron's going to be
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the new congressman. Aaron, I love Montanas and not just
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: because of your governor and your senators, but because one
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: of my closest friends, Jan Jenera, lives not far outside
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: of Ennis on the Madison, and I fished out the
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Madison a couple of times in my life. So I'm partial.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: But I'm really partial to you because not only you're
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: a twenty year veteran of the army I should call
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you colonel, but you're a morning radio guy and there
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: aren't many of you in the Congress. You and Christigo
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: are going to have to start a cocus tell us
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: about yourself.
• 45:42
  Speaker 12: Well, first off, Hugh, what an honor to be on
• 45:44
  Speaker 12: your show. You've got so many fans back here in Montana,
• 45:47
  Speaker 12: and it was an honor to follow you on early
• 45:50
  Speaker 12: morning radio. One slight correction, We actually now have two
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: We used to just have one. We now have two
• 45:56
  Speaker 12: districts here in Montana. But this seat here in West
• 46:00
  Speaker 12: Montana is the battleground district. The Democrats technically controlled our
• 46:04
  Speaker 12: redistricting commission and so they made the Eastern Montana seat
• 46:09
  Speaker 12: super safe Republican so they could make this as competitive
• 46:13
  Speaker 12: as they possibly could for Democrats. But that's why I
• 46:16
  Speaker 12: got into this fight, because this seat is so important
• 46:19
  Speaker 12: not just to our country, but to those of us
• 46:21
  Speaker 12: here in Montana as well well.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: For years, Montana confused me because they would always elect
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Democratic senators. And that's changed now we got Steve Daines
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and we got great red Republicans out there with our
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: seal as well, whose name is escaping me for the moment.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: But tell me about the Montana first, why is it
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: even possibly blue?
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Well, when we.
• 46:43
  Speaker 12: Did redistricting after the twenty twenty census. The Republicans get
• 46:47
  Speaker 12: two seats, the Democrats get two seats. But we have
• 46:49
  Speaker 12: probably the most far left Supreme Court in the entire country,
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: which is why our Supreme Court race here in Montana
• 46:55
  Speaker 12: for Dan Wilson is so important as well. So they
• 46:58
  Speaker 12: get the tie breaking vote on redistrict so they have
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: effectively controlled redistricting.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: And so they made this seat for.
• 47:04
  Speaker 12: A year just like this and for a time like this,
• 47:07
  Speaker 12: in hopes that far left Democrats could pick up this seat. Earlier,
• 47:13
  Speaker 12: I loved the fact that you had some Billy Joel
• 47:15
  Speaker 12: music for your bumper music. We were playing at Billy
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: Joel's playlist on my pontoon yesterday. And you want to
• 47:21
  Speaker 12: talk about going to extremes. This race is a perfect
• 47:25
  Speaker 12: example of a far left candidate endorsed by AOC. That's
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: how confident the Democrats are in thinking that they can
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: pick up this seat that they have put forward one
• 47:36
  Speaker 12: of the most radical candidates you could find. They're pretending
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: he's some blue collar guy. It's of course, it's of course,
• 47:44
  Speaker 12: just a bunch of fake news. This guy is a
• 47:47
  Speaker 12: far left lobbyist who fought to get men and girls bathrooms,
• 47:51
  Speaker 12: men and girls, sports, defund the police, sanctuary cities, and
• 47:56
  Speaker 12: one of the most frustrating things in Montana right now.
• 47:59
  Speaker 12: My opponent lobbied for higher property taxes as well. So
• 48:02
  Speaker 12: this is the craziest of the crazy on display with
• 48:05
  Speaker 12: my opponent. That's why if we get the resources, we
• 48:07
  Speaker 12: can point out the truth about his record.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I know number one is Tim she out there
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: stumping with you at Dane's out there stumping with you.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And what's your website?
• 48:17
  Speaker 12: Yeah, flint Formontana dot com. Incredible support from my good
• 48:21
  Speaker 12: friend Senator Steve Danes and of course Senator Tim She
• 48:23
  Speaker 12: He's a Navy seal veteran. I spent about half my
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: career in Army special operations. I was an infantry guy
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: and then I had the honor of serving in special operations.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: In fact, you mentioned NS Montana.
• 48:35
  Speaker 12: That's one of my favorite distillery, Willie's Distillery, who made
• 48:39
  Speaker 12: the Devil's Brigade whiskey in honor of the first special
• 48:41
  Speaker 12: service for US.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, very cool. Now tell people about your radio career.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Because CHRISTA. Gaul is going to Congress from Missouri. I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: hope you joined him from Montana. How long you've been
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: doing the morning radio stuff.
• 48:53
  Speaker 12: You know, I first started in statewide talk radio. I
• 48:55
  Speaker 12: grew up listening. I read Rush Limbaugh's book when I
• 48:58
  Speaker 12: was a junior high school kid back in the night.
• 49:00
  Speaker 12: Because I was a kidom and started working. My mom
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: was a single mom, a hard working single mom, and
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: I wanted to start making money to provide for myself
• 49:07
  Speaker 12: and to help out the family as well.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: So I started stuffing.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Newspapers in the fourth grade.
• 49:11
  Speaker 12: And so these principles of economic freedom and keeping more
• 49:15
  Speaker 12: of your money in your own pocket just made sense
• 49:17
  Speaker 12: to me, even as a little kid. But you know,
• 49:20
  Speaker 12: I joined the military after the nine to eleven terror
• 49:23
  Speaker 12: attacks and came back to Montana, had the honor of
• 49:26
  Speaker 12: serving as an infantry platoon leader and Ramadi iracked twenty
• 49:29
  Speaker 12: years ago, and then served on an embedded training team
• 49:31
  Speaker 12: in Afghanistan, and then a couple other deployments as well.
• 49:34
  Speaker 12: But I've been so blessed to you in that I
• 49:36
  Speaker 12: got to go overseas and fight alongside the best America
• 49:40
  Speaker 12: has to offer, the men and women that I got
• 49:42
  Speaker 12: the honor of serving with. But then when I came home,
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: I got to get right back in the fight and
• 49:47
  Speaker 12: fight for Freedom here in America. First started hosting a
• 49:50
  Speaker 12: state wide radio show in two thousand and nine when
• 49:52
  Speaker 12: I got back from my first deployment to Afghanistan. And
• 49:55
  Speaker 12: I tell you what, what an honor it's been to
• 49:57
  Speaker 12: be behind that microphone. And I think that's why in
• 49:59
  Speaker 12: this race, people are gonna look at my far left opponent,
• 50:02
  Speaker 12: and then they're gonna look at They know what I
• 50:04
  Speaker 12: stand for, they know what I believe, and I think
• 50:07
  Speaker 12: they're gonna say, look, even if I don't agree with
• 50:10
  Speaker 12: Aaron on everything, he's an everyday, hard work in Montana
• 50:14
  Speaker 12: kid who's gonna do what's right for Montana. And compared
• 50:17
  Speaker 12: to this far left lobbyist from Portland that I'm running against,
• 50:20
  Speaker 12: I think that even a lot of Democrats are gonna say, even,
• 50:22
  Speaker 12: we can't vote for that. And in fact, just last week, Hugh,
• 50:25
  Speaker 12: this is incredible, big breaking news. I landed the endorsement
• 50:29
  Speaker 12: of the Carpenters Union here in the West, and we
• 50:32
  Speaker 12: also had Ironworkers Union members there present as well. And
• 50:35
  Speaker 12: I think it's because the trades unions, folks understand that
• 50:39
  Speaker 12: their jobs are being killed by these far left socialist Democrats,
• 50:44
  Speaker 12: and they know that working class guys like me are
• 50:46
  Speaker 12: gonna fight for working class jobs like theirs. Plus we're
• 50:49
  Speaker 12: gonna support trades and trades education.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: So Flint for Congress dot Com and I got that right,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Aaron Flint for Congress dot.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Com, Flinch for Montana dot Com.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Flint, Well, right, I made two mistakes in one segment.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: There are in Montana, Flint from Montana dot com, Flint
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: from Montana dot Com. It's a big market, it's an
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think they're there, But we still got to
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  Speaker 12: we still meet all the support that we can get.
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  Speaker 12: I think folks are now starting to wake up to
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  Speaker 2: In western Montana.
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  Speaker 12: And then now, I don't know if you heard the
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  Speaker 12: have just been a complete train wreck here in Montana.
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  Speaker 12: And now they have kind of this fake independent splitting
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  Speaker 12: the vote with the Democrat. So we feel really good
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  Speaker 12: He's been fighting the drug cartels. His US attorney he's
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  Speaker 12: going to be great in that Senate race. But I
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  Speaker 12: think now our good friends know we have got to
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  Speaker 4: We can get.
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  Speaker 12: And Hugh, if I could also just add, my wife
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  Speaker 1: public intellectional and journalist Aviv Retig Gore. Aviv joins us
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  Speaker 1: Aviv ready Gore, So Aviv welcome, Good to have you.
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  Speaker 1: I thought we would talk about the Israeli elections this
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: half hour and begin by noting that today's con broadcasting
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: poll has the ANTIBB coalition at fifty nine seats, the
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: BB Coalition at fifty one seats, and the Arab parties
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: at eleven seats, and there are other polls with others results.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I realize that. But the election is coming up in
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: less than three months. What's it going to be decided over?
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: And do you expect those numbers to move much?
• 57:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah, First of all, we there's good reason to think
• 57:15
  Speaker 11: that numbers are going to move. Israeli voters because of
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: the nature of our system. Is Raeli voters are very
• 57:21
  Speaker 11: tactical or even strategic. They come to the voting booth
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: and they don't necessarily say I want Eisencote over and
• 57:28
  Speaker 11: the opposition parties to be prime minister, I want nintennial
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: to be prime minister. They say which kind of isiend quote,
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: which version of Nintenneo. So if they want to Nintennao
• 57:37
  Speaker 11: who's more right wing, they will not vote for Likud
• 57:40
  Speaker 11: Nittaniell's party. They'll vote for a more right wing party.
• 57:43
  Speaker 11: But they're not going to vote for a more right
• 57:44
  Speaker 11: wing party like arguably, for example, Lieberman's party. They're going
• 57:48
  Speaker 11: to vote for one that has no option to sit
• 57:50
  Speaker 11: with the opposition, but only with the Ninitaenno coalition. But
• 57:53
  Speaker 11: it would force Nintennelle farther to the right. Did that
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: make sense? In other words, when you have a thirty
• 58:00
  Speaker 11: five parties running, we don't you know, know exactly how
• 58:02
  Speaker 11: many it is. I haven't looked up exactly, but it's
• 58:04
  Speaker 11: usually around thirty and eleven roughly are likely to get
• 58:09
  Speaker 11: In Israeli voters often try and position their vote in
• 58:13
  Speaker 11: a way that's very, very tactical. So expect in the
• 58:15
  Speaker 11: last two three days when by the way, by Israeli
• 58:18
  Speaker 11: electoral law, you're not allowed to run ads anymore. In
• 58:21
  Speaker 11: the last you know, just minute, hours before, days, days before,
• 58:25
  Speaker 11: and the run up to the actual election, expect all
• 58:27
  Speaker 11: kinds of interviews with political leaders saying all kinds of
• 58:32
  Speaker 11: givault campaigns, right, oh, no, campaigns, the sky is falling campaigns,
• 58:37
  Speaker 11: and trying to influence those kinds of tactical decisions of
• 58:40
  Speaker 11: the voters. Nizagna is going to want a largerly Could
• 58:43
  Speaker 11: to have less dependence on other parties. So he's going
• 58:45
  Speaker 11: to say we're about to lose the election because you're
• 58:47
  Speaker 11: going to go vote Benvier, but you actually should vote
• 58:50
  Speaker 11: le Could because that's the only way to guarantee So
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: a lot of votes are likely to move on election day.
• 58:56
  Speaker 11: And it's also worth saying we don't the big decide
• 58:59
  Speaker 11: of this elections probably going to be who stays home.
• 59:01
  Speaker 11: There are a huge number of the COULD voters who
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: traditionally vote the COUD, have never voted anyone else and
• 59:07
  Speaker 11: are very upset with this government. There are on the
• 59:10
  Speaker 11: opposition all kinds of new movements, new parties, new leaders,
• 59:13
  Speaker 11: and we just don't know the strength in the potential electorate.
• 59:17
  Speaker 11: So a lot of people saying I'm going to vote
• 59:19
  Speaker 11: in this direction might not actually show up on election day,
• 59:22
  Speaker 11: and we don't know how that's going to pan out.
• 59:25
  Speaker 11: So the first election after October seventh, after three years
• 59:28
  Speaker 11: of war, after just so much upheaval.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: So Ahavi. As we go into every midterm, there's always
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: affordability versus the war in Iran, versus the fact that
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party has been taken over by a radical
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: clique of DSA or there are a lot of issues
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: and they'll gel as we get closer to November three.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: But we start voting in four states on September eighteen,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: we really did. We start voting in Minnesota, Idaho, South Dakota,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: in Virginia on September eighteen. Is there early voting in Israel?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 11: No, it's an election day only. There's a very very
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 11: minor exceptions. I think diplomats and maybe naval personnel deployed abroad,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 11: things like that, technical things, but it's far less than
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 11: one kanissets voting abroad. It's all on election day, you know, overseas.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Voting okay, and which issue do you have to have?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Voter ID in Israel? Do you have to shop and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: take I'm a v ready gore and here's my driver's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: less or whatever is you can show.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, Every polling booth is actually run by a committee
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 11: composed of a representative of I believe at least four
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 11: political parties. I've always seen four or five people at
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 11: a voting booth, but different parties from OP Position and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 11: Coalition all have to have someone of the booth verifying
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 11: who you are with your ID and writing you off
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 11: their list. And they all keep a list of the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 11: people registered at that booth. Because you vote geographically, you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 11: voted the booth close to your place of residents official
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 11: registered place of residence. So in terms of ID, in
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 11: terms of each party overseeing every voting booth so that
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 11: no other party can start writing strange things down, that
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 11: is very very strict and always has been, and I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: think it's a good thing. It's very successful. There's a
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 11: huge amount of trust in Israeli elections.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to have the Israeli system at every
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: polling place in America. I would like to note the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: most important salient issues. There are a lot of issues
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: that you can pull the public on. Who is responsible
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: for ten to seven? Is the battle with irangoing? Well?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Do the Haretam need to be drafted? There are lots
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: of different issues, But which one is salient in the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: most number of undecided voters, because that's the most important
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: issue in my mind.
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  Speaker 11: There are really two different ways to answer that. The
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 11: first answer is the great security issue. It's almost which
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 11: folds into it Land and West Benkin's ettlements and Gaza
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 11: and Husbill and Iran and building you know Mammadim safe
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  Speaker 11: rooms or you know bomb shelter rooms and apartments and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 11: buildings that are older and don't have them, all of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 11: that vast thing. Have you taken care of our safety
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 11: in this era of danger and war and the Iranian
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 11: proxy system coming to get us? That is the big issue,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 11: and then there are a lot a lot of smaller issues. Incidentally,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 11: that's the issue that gives the power in salience to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 11: the ult orthodox draft issue. If people hadn't all, if
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 11: most Israelis didn't have a cousin, a father, a son,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 11: a husband who's been gone three hundred days in the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 11: last three years to war, the Hareadi draft issue would
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 11: be much much weaker as a mobilizer. So that's that's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 11: the thing. But it's also important to say that maybe
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 11: even the only thing that's bigger than that, and it's
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 11: so fundamental we barely even talk about it as Israelis
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 11: is the tribal issue. Most Israeli political parties represent social, political,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 11: or religious or sometimes ethnic tribes. There are among Jews
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 11: and Arabs, among religious and secular. There are parties representing
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 11: the secular liberal Jew. There is a party representing the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 11: secular progressive urban Arab. There's a party representing the Muslim
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 11: conservative mostly Bedouin Arab, which is a different party with
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 11: different interests and different politics to the party representing the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 11: urban progressive sort of elites or highly educated Arab community.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 11: There's Safardi Ultra Orthodox and ashk Nazi Ultra. Those are
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 11: different parties even though they agree on every single issue
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 11: and funding issues, and they vote together almost always. And
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  Speaker 11: so really, I think that the most important thing to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 11: analyze is rarely voting behavior. Is that tribalism likud is
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 11: more is heavily represented by Mizrahi voters. The opposition parties,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 11: especially get Euilipede Bennett, are mostly Ashkenazi voters that divide
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 11: between Arab World Jews and European heritage Jews. Is still
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 11: reflected in voting patterns, and so Israelis vote their tribe
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 11: kind of like in the rest of the Middle East.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 11: In Lebanon, for example, where the party represents more socioeconomic
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 11: or cultural or religious group than it does any specific ideology.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 11: And that's very, very different from the United States.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So we have two minutes for the first
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  Speaker 1: break Aviv when they go in. How many people are
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: going to vote on the fact that there has not
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: been a commission into the causes of ten to seven?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Is it large, medium or small?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 11: I don't know how to zero that out. Very nearly
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 11: everyone who plans to vote for an opposition party believes
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 11: that Nittagnell extended the war. Forty fifty percent depends on
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 11: the bull depends on how you ask extended the war
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 11: for political survival. Because this government was so afraid of
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 11: the voter. This government banded together and held firm and
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 11: is the first government in Israeli history to last its
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 11: full entire term. Coalition systems generally large multi party coalition systems,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 11: like Israel, like Austria, like Latvia, they tend to as
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 11: they near election day, they tend to have a problem,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 11: which is that the political parties that all sit in
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 11: a coalition are all competing over overlapping constituencies, and they
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 11: have to distinguish themselves from each other. And so the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 11: end of a government's life has all of these manufactured
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: crises that always topple the government early because somebody wants
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 11: to show that they care about them and they want
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 11: to go into election day looking like they're fighting for something.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 11: And so no Israeli coalition, even the stable ones, have
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 11: ever lasted their term. This one did, and that was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 11: a function of weakness, of fear of what the voters will.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Do and say.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 11: So there's on both sides there's a huge question, a
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 11: huge fear of what it is the voters are going
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 11: to how they're going to respond to October seventh.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back, especially in my audience on Sea Span,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: have you ready? Gore will be with me for the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: next two segments don't go anywhere from Israel. We're talking
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: about the Iran warn now from an Israeli perspective. And
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: what's ahead? Is there a battle of the bulbs coming
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: from Iran? They're talking that way? Have you ready? Gore?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Can be listened to on Asked a Vive Anything? Stay tuned.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, and welcome to my
• 1:06:38
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• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: have enjoyed today. We'll be back Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
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  Speaker 1: with America's most significant strongest ally and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's even close Aviv to the war with Iran. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think Iran is planning some sort of Battle of
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: the Bulge analog given their statements of the last couple
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: of days, which are ferociously argumentative and sort of leaning
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: into combat again.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 11: Boy ye, If that's the analogy, I hope so, because
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 11: the Battle of the Bulge was the end. It was
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 11: the last effort, attempt, so to speak, Hail Mary of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 11: the Nazis to break the alined lines and punch through,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 11: but it was already a lost game. If that's where
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 11: the regime is at, jeez, I hope that that is
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 11: exactly what's happening. Yeah, they're talking about shifting to offensive operations.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 11: They're talking about strategic surprises. It's really important to remember
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 11: about the Iranian regime when calculating the future of potential
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 11: conflict with them. They don't have much. Their air force
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 11: wasn't defeated by the Israelis or the Americans.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: It never flew.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 11: They don't have a meaningful military. All they have all
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 11: they have built, what they have spent forty eight years
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  Speaker 11: building since the revolution is one of the world's most
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  Speaker 11: sophisticated suppression system internally against their own society, with a
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  Speaker 11: lot of Chinese technology really meant and built out, you know,
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  Speaker 11: purposely made for the suppression of domestic descent. That is
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  Speaker 11: world class. The best thing this government has done, you know,
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  Speaker 11: in forty seven years. They haven't really produced anything else
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  Speaker 11: in that otherwise wealthy, you know, their gas reserves are
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  Speaker 11: unbelievably huge, their talent is incredible, and yet it's a
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  Speaker 11: country that for forty seven years produces nothing because the
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  Speaker 11: regime is bent on nothing but suppressing descent, and so
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  Speaker 11: they don't have functioning, serious, capable, competent militaries, which means
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  Speaker 11: that if they go on offensive operations, as multiple Iranian
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  Speaker 11: generals have been announcing over the last few days, what
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  Speaker 11: they mean is that they're going to bomb their neighbors.
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  Speaker 11: They're going to cause disruption to the global oil supply.
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  Speaker 11: They're going to try and burn everything to the ground
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  Speaker 11: as a way of exacting costs to ensure their survival.
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  Speaker 11: That's really all they have, and they're looking to produce
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  Speaker 11: strategic surprises in that regard. If I was the Saudi
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  Speaker 11: government right now, I would be very worried. It's not
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  Speaker 11: an accident that the Houthis have bombed the Saudi oil
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  Speaker 11: refineries multiple times over the last couple of weeks. These
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  Speaker 11: are messages and if I was a golf Arab state,
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  Speaker 11: I would be worried even by the way one that
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  Speaker 11: has been very much a moderate toward Iran. Sometimes an
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  Speaker 11: ally of Iran attar Oman Iran might actually tackle them,
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  Speaker 11: attack them, just to say we're going to burn the
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  Speaker 11: whole place to the ground if you don't stop. So, yes,
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  Speaker 11: we should be looking for that very likely possibility that
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  Speaker 11: Iran is going to go offensive in that sense.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I can't get you to summarize a two hour
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  Speaker 1: program in five minutes that we have in this segment.
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  Speaker 1: But episode ninety three of Askaviv Anything is on Muktawa,
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  Speaker 1: the theory that animates the Iranian revolution. Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to take a swing at compressing that into four and
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  Speaker 1: a half five minutes of eve.
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  Speaker 4: That's easy.
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  Speaker 1: Let's try for three, Okay.
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  Speaker 11: The very very very short version is the Tullmud says,
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  Speaker 11: tell it to me while standing on one leg, would
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  Speaker 11: be something like this, the Iranian regime. And it's a
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  Speaker 11: tragedy that this deep idea is the rich and deep
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  Speaker 11: and century and a half old ideas that animate this regime,
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  Speaker 11: that are how this regime sees the world, which they
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  Speaker 11: write about and talk about in every speech and writings
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  Speaker 11: of Romanian Komne for decades. Completely doesn't interest the Western press,
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  Speaker 11: doesn't interest even government officials I've spoken to over the years,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 11: the Americans, because America is so unideological, it has a
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  Speaker 11: hard time believing that someone else could be profoundly ideological.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 11: The Iranian regime comes in the tradition of about a
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  Speaker 11: century and a half or two centuries of a really
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  Speaker 11: profound Muslim discussion.
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  Speaker 4: In the Muslim world.
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  Speaker 11: It begins in the Arab Muslim world, but it has
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  Speaker 11: all kinds of different arms and sort of sub conversations
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 11: or different kinds of conversations all over the Muslim world.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a.
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  Speaker 11: Conversation about the source of Islam's find of Islam finding
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  Speaker 11: itself in the era, especially of the nineteenth century, of
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 11: European Empire, weak and backward and poor. And that's not
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  Speaker 11: how Islam sees itself. It sees itself as a very powerful,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 11: conquering world, redeeming ideology and culture and religious vision. And
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 11: there are many, many different theological responses to that, and reformists,
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  Speaker 11: and some of them are liberal and won't want to modernize.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 11: And you know, there are many, many different directions. Some
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  Speaker 11: become pacifist. It's a big, complicated world. Some of them
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  Speaker 11: argued that we have to The only way Islam becomes
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  Speaker 11: powerful again is if we return to this romanticized, imagined
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  Speaker 11: early Islam of the first generation of the Selahs of
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  Speaker 11: the We call them sellaphists because they talk about their
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  Speaker 11: forefathers or Selahs, and if we return to their piety,
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  Speaker 11: we will return to their geopolitical success because they were
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  Speaker 11: in sync with God's plan for history. They were a
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  Speaker 11: successful conquering civilization, and we will become that again if
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  Speaker 11: we return to God's plant up piety to upholding the
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 11: Koran War. And this produces in the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood
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  Speaker 11: in hamas in the Palestinian case, in the Akap Party
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 11: of Turkey and the Katari government. Their official ideology is
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  Speaker 11: this kind of romantic return to the original Islam, and
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 11: it produces very conservative Islam. Women's rights are men are
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  Speaker 11: very curtailed, and it doesn't modernize. These are not governments
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 11: that build fine universities. These are not governments that produce
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 11: large industrial bases, so it's not really been a success.
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  Speaker 11: Iran is the product of a kind of Shia version
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  Speaker 11: of that Kolmani learned from all kinds of theologians, a
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  Speaker 11: guy named Jalali and a scholar named Shariati and many names.
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  Speaker 11: In episode ninety three is two hours of essentially walking
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  Speaker 11: through these these ideas. It's a very very tiny little
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  Speaker 11: piece of this vast story. But Kolmani, who establishes the
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 11: regime in Iran, basically argues that Islamic weakness is a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 11: sign of Islamic purity, that because of the original story,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 11: the founding story of Shia Islam, which Iran is Shia
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 11: Shier Islam, is born in a battle in six point
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  Speaker 11: eighty and this is a place called Karbala in Iran.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 11: In Iraq, excuse me, where Iman Hussein, heir to the prophet,
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  Speaker 11: son of the Prophet, has a battle with the first
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  Speaker 11: U Mayad Calif named Yazid. Yazid is more powerful. Yazid
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 11: defeats Hussein, kills Houssein and all of his followers, and
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  Speaker 11: that story of the true and the righteous and the faithful,
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  Speaker 11: even though they are weak, but they nevertheless carry on
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 11: by inspiring future generations of martyrs and fighters and believers,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 11: which is to say, the Shia. They end up ultimately
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 11: winning the grand arc of history and that sense of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 11: the weak but righteous and faithful overcoming the powerful and arrogant,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 11: which is how Romani interpreted America, the American led world order.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 11: Kromeni people who taught Homeni, who many learned from. They
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 11: didn't literally these teachers, but he read them like Jelali
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 11: and Shariati and others. Are also theologians who've merged Marxist ideas,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 11: anti imperialist ideas from none. And so the world is
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 11: weak and powerful is divided between these two, and the
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 11: weak have to defeat the powerful. That is essentially the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 11: Iranian and.
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  Speaker 1: That is Episode ninety three. Have asked Aviv anything which
• 1:15:04
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• 1:15:12
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• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: back America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Last segment with Aviv. Ready
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• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: in today's episode or yesterday's, I can't really know Professor
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Ruth Wise, who is fabulous, by the way, I hope
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not lucid at eighty five or ninety or whatever
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: she is. She made one statement that said, if the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Jews aren't free in America, America isn't free. That stopped
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: me in my track because it is manifestly true. And
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: then you made a statement in the form of a question,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: is American culture collapsing? I'd like you to comment on
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: her statement and answer your own question.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 11: America is the strangest country there's ever been, and Americans
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 11: are the only people in the world who don't know it.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 11: There has never been a nation born out of an idea,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 11: and that idea was so overwhelmingly powerful and profoundly real
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 11: to the people who built this nation that for the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 11: next two and a half centuries. The idea created a
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 11: the world's largest, first successful, real large scale democracy, be
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 11: the model that allowed everyone else to go and become democratic.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 11: Who became democratic? Nobody had ever done it before, nothing
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 11: even remotely, not even ancient Athens, not the city states
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 11: of Renaissance Italy. Nobody had done what the Americans did,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 11: and they did it because of this deep belief in
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 11: the individual. Because of this deep belief in intellectual humility,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 11: people usually associate Americans with humility, but in fact, America's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 11: pragmatism is the only philosophical school born on American soil,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 11: not imported from elsewhere, and Americans really have Whether you
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 11: read Jefferson or Lincoln or you know, the entirety of
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 11: the American labor movement never went communists because the communists
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 11: know too much. They claim to know the exact arc
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 11: and mechanism of history, and the American labor unions, in
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 11: explicit debates with communists and socialists over the course of
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 11: the nineteen tens to eighteen nineties through nineteen thirties, said
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 11: to them, you know, the American labor movement wants less
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 11: working hours, a longer weekend, better conditions, for kids, kids
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 11: not working in you know, minds. We always want the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 11: next thing.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: You guys have this vision of the end.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 11: Of history which is leading you by the way to
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 11: terrible places, and to you know, this is me adding
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 11: mass murder and the death of one hundred million people.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 11: Americans were always believers in simple humanity and individualism, and
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 11: the Jews flourish there like they flourish Nowhere in the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 11: history of the world, there has never been a host
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 11: country to a Jewish community where the Jews believe they
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 11: were simply part of that country and where the country
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 11: believed the same about them, and where it never broke down.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 11: There was the Jews were never told by the country,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 11: actually you've been mistaken all along, like in you know, Germany. Now,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 11: to say just America is not entirely accurate. Some anglophone
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 11: countries in America's shadow, like Canada, like Australia, who very
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 11: much take the tone, the cultural tone from America. Also true,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 11: but it's a function of America. And so if you
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 11: know the story of the If the Jews are a
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 11: bellwether of a society, right, when does Europe turn viciously
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 11: and brutally on its Jews way beyond anything that happened
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 11: to the Middle Ages. As the great empires are falling,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 11: the Russian Empire, the Australungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire. These
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 11: are the times and places where the new nationalism's rising up.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 11: The Jews have no place in this new world that's
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 11: being formed, just like they were shunked at aside under
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 11: the Empire. Well now, when everybody gets their place under
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 11: the sun, the Jews had no place under the sun,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 11: even if they'd lived in you somewhere between Lithuania and Ukraine.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: For a thousand years.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 11: There was no place between Lithuania and Ukraine where they
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 11: were allowed to say this is ours, and so with
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 11: it go the Jews. How the Jews fare is a
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 11: great bell weather for how a society fares, And that's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 11: through Thrice's point, I think, and my concern was mostly
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 11: having to do I'll just cut to the chase with kids.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 11: Look we're going through right now. You feel it in
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 11: American politics with DSA on one side and the radicalization
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 11: of the podcast brows on the other. We're going through
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 11: a period right now where the kids are on TikTok
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 11: and various other kinds of tiktoks, and they're living in
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 11: this algorithmically created sort of world information kind of echo chamber,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 11: and the parents are living off in a completely different place.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 11: And so you have a generational gap. And it's by
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 11: the way, happening in Britain and France and Israel. It's
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 11: not unique to America. It's a function of the structures
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 11: of this new era. Probably in the history of humanity,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 11: it might be true. It's reasonable to believe that there
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 11: has never been such a disruption of basic culture and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 11: basic information in the basic sense of the world than
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 11: there is today. What the parents knew, the kids don't know.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 11: And so the kids are radicalizing into places that the
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 11: parents don't even understand. And those fundamental, foundational, deep ideas
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 11: that were America's strength are becoming lost in the new conversation.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: And that is the question in front of us in
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: November in America, in October in Israel. And I think
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: for elections down the road. I've always good to talk
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: to you. Follow Aviv on exit Aviv ready, gore like
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  Speaker 1: of course come right back Bethany Mandel is next time,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to c SPAN. Bethany Mandel. Bethany, of course, is
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: one of the founders of the moom Wars dot substack
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: dot com, co author of Stolen Youth, and a c
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  Speaker 1: SPAN geek like me. Now, Bethany, you weren't even born
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: when he took up to my grandfather's house in Ashtabula.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: He was born in the nineteenth century and he started
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: watching c SPAN the day it went on. He loved it.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: So you are a Sea Span geek. Huh.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 14: I was a Seaspan geek. I grew up watching c
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 14: SPAN and I thought it was so cool that you
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 14: could turn on your TV and just see Congress live.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 14: How crazy is that?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: It's not crazy. It was a public service, and the
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: cable industry got together and they created this giant and
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: then they want they went and got Brian Lamb to
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: run it, who became the best interviewer in the world.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Did you like Booknotes with Brian?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 12: No?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 11: I would.
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  Speaker 14: I got my thrills just from watching people meander on
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 14: the house floor. That that was where I got my kicks.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, no wonder you moved to Washington, DC and married
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Seth Mandel. But when you or Seth, in fact, when
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Stolen Youth came out, did either Brian or Brian probably
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: had retired by then. How about Peter Slim? Did you
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: were you interviewed on Booknotes for Stolen Youth?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 14: I was not interviewed, but my one and only time
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 14: besides right now, that I was on c SPAN, I
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 14: gave a book talk for Stolen Youth at the Conservative
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 14: Women's something or other and I gave a holep. It
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 14: was aired on c SPAN multiple times. It was super fun,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 14: and every time it aired, I would know because I'd
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 14: get emails from people saying, I just watched.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: You have se span.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Sea span has saved American Publishing nonfiction division because, for example,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: whenever the Nixon Library has a host with an author
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: with a good book, se SPAN will show up two
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: out of three times. They'll do it for the Reagan Library,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: They'll do it for the Obama Library. I'm sure when
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: they start doing a book events there, the Clinton Library,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: the Kennedy Library. They are nonpartisan. They're absolutely they're saving books.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: And I love that because they take authors seriously and
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: they give them serious. Okay, now, it was fantastic.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 14: I sold so many books because of it.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Stolen Youth by Bethany Mandel. Bethany, you're following Aviv
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Riddy Gore. Do you listen to Aviv? Do you read Aviv?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I do read him.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 14: I'm not as avid as a listener as you are, though.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Aviv was just on saying that the Israeli
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: elections will not break until the end, and that we
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: have no way of knowing which way it will break,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: and that it will essentially be tribal because Israeli's vote
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: strategically in a way that Americans just don't grasp. Your
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: assessment of his assessment.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 14: I believe him one hundred percent. First of all, he's there,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 14: and I you know, I'm not nearly as attuned to it,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 14: but that's My husband works for commentary magazine. His name
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 14: is Seth Mandel, and he covers Israeli politics very closely also,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 14: and that's basically what he's saying as well.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Right, second thing he said, which was more up your
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: alley as author of Stolen Youth. Never before in human
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: history has one generation been less connected to what their
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: previous generation knew. In other words, that your children don't
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: know what you know, and my children's grandchildren and my
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: grandchildren don't know what my children know, because a disintermediating
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: influence of social media has destroyed the means of transmitting
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: knowledge and replaced it with social media. M Kissinger wrote
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: about this by the book, By the way this last
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: book leaders in the last chapter on the age of
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: image replacing the age of text, very scary to think about.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: What do you think about that?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 14: I mean, if you look at the Lindsay Clancy trial
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 14: that's happening live right now, the amount of disinformation that
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 14: is being spread simultaneous to the event happening is terrifying.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 14: It's like there's two people watched, like there's one show
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 14: and two people are watching two different editions of it,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 14: and that's simultaneous. We're watching the Lindsay Clancy trial happening
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  Speaker 14: live on television every day, and so if you pull
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  Speaker 14: back and you see through the lens of October seventh,
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  Speaker 14: which was almost three years ago. There's wildly different interpretations
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  Speaker 14: of what happened that day. If you want to pull
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  Speaker 14: back further nine to eleven, the same thing. And so,
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  Speaker 14: I mean, it's absolutely true.
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  Speaker 1: They also believe that we're not teaching American children about
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  Speaker 1: the uniqueness and greatness of America because they no longer
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  Speaker 1: have diss.
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  Speaker 14: I mean, if you look at the polling, if you
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  Speaker 14: look at the polling of civics teachers about what they
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  Speaker 14: think their job is. They think their job is to
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  Speaker 14: mobilize activists. They don't think their job is to teach civics.
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  Speaker 14: Look up Google Google civics teachers what they think their
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  Speaker 14: role is. It is terrifying. And we're also seeing this
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  Speaker 14: in our history classes. Our kids are learning that the
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  Speaker 14: founding fathers were not heroes, but they were slave masters.
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  Speaker 14: And that's how they think of George Washington and Thomas
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  Speaker 14: Jefferson and all of those people. And so if you
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  Speaker 14: take away everything that's special about our country's founding, you're
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  Speaker 14: taking away everything that's special about our country period. And
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  Speaker 14: we're seeing the drop in patriotism and the drop in
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  Speaker 14: pride in being an American and the importance that people
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  Speaker 14: place in that, you know, being American, just drop from
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  Speaker 14: generation generation, and unfortunately it's partisan. We're seeing a drop
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  Speaker 14: way way faster on the left than on the right,
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  Speaker 14: but I think we're seeing a drop on the right
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  Speaker 14: as well.
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  Speaker 1: And your comments on more stories, the Abraham Lincoln story,
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  Speaker 1: which I'll play at Jack Keene quote about in the
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  Speaker 1: next segment, and John Ossoff's horrific slander about Natalie Harp,
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  Speaker 1: with whom I worked occasionally to get stuff from and
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  Speaker 1: to the President. I just can't believe as a United
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  Speaker 1: States Senator would slander a female aid that way.
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  Speaker 14: I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Don't look. But he intimated that the President was flying
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  Speaker 1: around with Natalie because they were intimate, and it's so discussed.
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  Speaker 14: That's really feminists.
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  Speaker 1: He should, he should, He should absolutely lose the election.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know about the Abraham Lincoln story?
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  Speaker 14: Nope?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good for you. Stay off there. On vacation. Was
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  Speaker 1: it the giraffe?
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  Speaker 14: Yes, I was on l I was on Ellis Island yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, how did the kid?
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  Speaker 6: I was?
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  Speaker 10: They were they?
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  Speaker 8: They?
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  Speaker 14: They thought it was fine. I stood there weeping, thinking
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  Speaker 14: that the fact that all of our direct ancestors stepped
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  Speaker 14: foot in America in the room that Seth and I
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  Speaker 14: were standing in, and we were there with three of
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  Speaker 14: our six children, and I wept.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not proud, Oh no, I'm with you. James Hewett
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  Speaker 1: eighteen sixty eight came through Ellis Island. He lied by
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  Speaker 1: the way. He said he was from Scotland because of
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  Speaker 1: an irishman. He didn't want to be discriminated against. Didn't help.
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  Speaker 1: Still had to go to the coal mines in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: But eighteen sixty eight, that's Ellis Island for me. Glad
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