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Unraveling Alex Murdaugh's Changing Story From Behind Bars · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: Does this man never stop lying?
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Speaker 3: Alex Murdog, of course, has changed his story again, this
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Speaker 3: time about the death of Gloria Sadderfield. As you know,
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Speaker 3: Alex Murdog, the heir to a legal dynasty in South Carolina,
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Speaker 3: had millions of dollars at his fingertips, a wife, a family,
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Speaker 3: two sons, multiple homes. But that wasn't enough, was it.
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Speaker 3: He had to steal from all of his clients to
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Speaker 3: the tune of millions of dollars as dead bodies pile
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Speaker 3: up around him. Murdog convicted in the double murderers of
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Speaker 3: his wife Maggie and son Paul, but it ain't over yet.
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Speaker 3: There is the housekeeper that helped the family raise the
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Speaker 3: two sons, Paul and Buster, who dies at the foot
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Speaker 3: of his steps. At first, he blamed none other than
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Speaker 3: the dogs that live in the home. But in a
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Speaker 3: new development from inside a prison cells somewhere in South Carolina,
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Speaker 3: the defendant Alex Murdogg, has changed his story. His original
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Speaker 3: story that Miss Satterfield died from injury sustain at a
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Speaker 3: fall at his I guess hunting lodge, his country estate
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Speaker 3: as some people call it. For years he held onto
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Speaker 3: that story that it was the dog's fault that made
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Speaker 3: her fall down the stairs to her death. But now
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Speaker 3: he says he doesn't know how Satterfield fell, that he
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Speaker 3: quote invented the story only because it would give him
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Speaker 3: an avenue to file a wrongful a wrongful death lawsuit
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Speaker 3: for Saderfield's children against him, so he, as their lawyer,
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Speaker 3: can get.
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Speaker 2: That money and steal it.
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Speaker 3: So just imagine, even at the beginning, the very beginning,
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Speaker 3: when Satterfield falls to her death down the stairs at
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Speaker 3: Moselle the hunting lodge, he already comes up with a
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Speaker 3: plan to pocket millions of dollars. He now behind Barr
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Speaker 3: says the dog's role in the tragedy was an invention,
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Speaker 3: joining me, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville who's seen
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Speaker 3: it all not only in the courtroom, but as a
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Speaker 3: former special agent with the FBI. Dale Carson is with us. Dale,
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Speaker 3: thank you for being with us. What do you make
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Speaker 3: of this newest invention?
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Speaker 4: You know what I love about this power that exudes
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Speaker 4: out of this man before he falls. And so the
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Speaker 4: standard way of creating a settlement, first you have an
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Speaker 4: autopsy with an unattended death, which did not happened. And then,
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Speaker 4: in the standard manner of lawyering, you have depositions, you
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Speaker 4: have requests for admissions or interrogatories, which are questions put
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Speaker 4: to the potential witnesses. But instead of doing any of that,
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Speaker 4: the insurance company just settled. That's power, But it also
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Speaker 4: allows that the witnesses that were there on the scene,
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Speaker 4: which was not Alex Murdox, were never by attorneys for
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Speaker 4: the insurance carrier. So it's rather clever when we think
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Speaker 4: about it. And he's so good at lying. We saw
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Speaker 4: that on the witness stand during the murder trial. He
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Speaker 4: looked so casual and so powerful in his lies that
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Speaker 4: it would be very difficult for someone in a settlement
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Speaker 4: setting to really discern that he's not only not telling
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Speaker 4: the truth, but he's creating a scenario if he had
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Speaker 4: just fallen down the steps. That's one thing, But the
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Speaker 4: fact that the dogs caused it allowed him to get
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Speaker 4: a four point three million dollar settlement in cash that
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Speaker 4: he diverted through some friends and put in his own pocket.
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Speaker 4: That's pretty clever.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that I would call it clever,
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Speaker 3: maybe nefarious, evil, malevolent. That said, I also find it
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Speaker 3: very probitive or it proves something to me that Alex
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Speaker 3: Marlok only made his u turn, his about face, his
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Speaker 3: new confession because of a lawsuit against him by I
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Speaker 3: believe it was a Nautilus insurance company that based on
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Speaker 3: their claim that they have been defrauded because they paid
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Speaker 3: out the settlement. The balance of the settlement funds were
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Speaker 3: paid by different insurance company, but because Murdog had no money,
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Speaker 3: his attorneys suggested that Nautilus go after Satterfield's state attorneys.
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Speaker 3: Now they claim Blann Richter claims are seven point five
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Speaker 3: million dollars that they collected from a lawsuit against Murdoch
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Speaker 3: and his firm. So I find it really interesting Dale
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Speaker 3: Carson that it's only when he is threatened with even
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Speaker 3: more money lawsuits that he finally coughs up the truth.
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Speaker 3: But just think about the level of evil this requires.
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Speaker 3: This is a woman, Gloria Satterfield, Miss Satterfield, a mother,
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Speaker 3: a longtime friend of the family, who was literally changed
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Speaker 3: his son's diapers, taking care of them, cooked for them,
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Speaker 3: taking care of the whole family, cleaned their home, run
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Speaker 3: errands for them for decades.
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Speaker 4: And in the South, this is the way it progresses
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Speaker 4: because when parents are working, it's oftentimes the caregiver who
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Speaker 4: raises all.
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Speaker 3: Okay, see, I don't know how you were. Where did
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Speaker 3: you grow up.
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Speaker 4: In Jacksonville, Florida?
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Speaker 3: Okay, so I don't know what made you in what
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Speaker 3: mayeu you were in. But my mother and father both
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Speaker 3: were as a bookkeeper and for the railroad, and we
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Speaker 3: did not have a housekeeper at all. My grandmother helped
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Speaker 3: raise me. We certainly cannot afford a housekeeper to live
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Speaker 3: in the house and clean up, are you kidding?
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Speaker 2: That's what we did as the children.
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Speaker 3: But that said, this is a woman they knew as
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Speaker 3: a friend, as part of the family, and so she
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Speaker 3: falls to her death on Murdoch's steps, and he immediately
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Speaker 3: comes up with a plan so he could sue on
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Speaker 3: behalf of Gloria Satterfield's family, basically sue himself and his
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Speaker 3: family and instill the money from the Satterfield children.
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Speaker 2: That's quite a plan, right.
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Speaker 4: Well, it absolutely is, and it requires a lot of forethought,
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Speaker 4: requires a lot of planning to do something like this,
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Speaker 4: and it speaks to his evil nature. I mean, this
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Speaker 4: man was thinking it through all along. And you've got
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Speaker 4: to know that this is partly genetic this is what's
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Speaker 4: been going on in South Carolina in the control of
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Speaker 4: these folks for many generations, and that in himself is frightening.
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Speaker 3: I don't know this genetic I mean, are you trying
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Speaker 3: to say that? What are you trying to say?
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Speaker 2: What I'm they somehow.
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Speaker 3: Related the responsibility because it's just simply in his genes.
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Speaker 4: Not at all. What I'm saying is this is a
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Speaker 4: tradition with that family.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that I agree.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: So now we've got him caught and yet another lie.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how it's going to benefit him at
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Speaker 3: this juncture, because he's already got life behind bars for
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Speaker 3: the murders of his wife and son. But that said,
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Speaker 3: we also have him sending out letters proclaiming his innocence.
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Speaker 3: Now we saw how that worked out on the stand.
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Speaker 3: Nobody believed him because he was caught tripped up in
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Speaker 3: so many lies. So I'm curious about his frame of mind.
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Speaker 3: What is is fueling his desire to make people believe
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Speaker 3: he's innocent.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Dale?
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Speaker 4: Right, He's a narcissist. He's got an ego that's bigger
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Speaker 4: than all my house, and the result is. It's not
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Speaker 4: his fault. The circumstances caused him to act as he
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Speaker 4: did and that's beyond his control. And if you don't
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Speaker 4: agree with him, well you're just not very bright. And
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Speaker 4: so that's the method. And you know, when we talk
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Speaker 4: about him stealing money from clowns, from settlements, you've also
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Speaker 4: got to wonder how much money he stole from individuals
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Speaker 4: who paid him for legal services that didn't get properly
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Speaker 4: handled or didn't get handled at all. So this man
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Speaker 4: was rolling in money, and I've always had a question
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Speaker 4: where did this money go? You can't spend that much
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Speaker 4: money on drugs, so it wouldn't surprise me at all
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Speaker 4: that there's not a very chest of gold somewhere. Maybe
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Speaker 4: not physically, but certainly electronically, because you can put money
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Speaker 4: in other countries, in other places and hide it easily
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Speaker 4: these years, particularly with bitcoin, all you got to do
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Speaker 4: is have the code.
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Speaker 3: Well, what I'm asking you, aside from your seeming fascination
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Speaker 3: with bitcoin, despite today and prior to today, why to Seafield,
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Speaker 3: he needs to prove to other people he did not
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Speaker 3: murder Paul and Maggie, because number one.
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Speaker 2: He did.
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's just start with that premise he did murder them,
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Speaker 3: So a jury's already found him guilty. What is driving
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Speaker 3: him to try to convince people the letters that he
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Speaker 3: didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: Why is he doing that?
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Speaker 4: If you look at his history, the family history was
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Speaker 4: well thought of by the general public for many years,
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Speaker 4: and now he's trying to recapture that goodness that he's
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Speaker 4: clearly abandoned and lost during that trial. I mean, he's
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Speaker 4: not a good person, but if he looks in the mirror,
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Speaker 4: he wants to see a good person. But of course
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Speaker 4: in prison, they're not glass mirrors, they're seamless steel mirrors, right,
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Speaker 4: so the reflections kind of warped. Anyway.
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Speaker 3: Now, according to one friend that he's writing the friend
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Speaker 3: rights quote, he's a broken man. Really, he's kicking back,
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Speaker 3: playing checkers, getting love letters. People are dumping money into
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Speaker 3: his commissary account. Strangers are giving him money, women want
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Speaker 3: to meet him. That does not sound like a quote
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Speaker 3: broken man, But that is the facade which he is
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Speaker 3: portraying to the recipients of these letters.
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Speaker 2: So why he's not broken, he's.
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Speaker 4: Not broken, and particularly why his wife former wife and
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Speaker 4: his son are rotting in their.
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Speaker 3: Graves we're hearing that he writes that he's trying to
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Speaker 3: make amends for the financial crimes, but insists he did
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Speaker 3: not kill Maggie and Paul.
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Speaker 2: So is that where he draws the line.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll steal millions and millions of dollars from my clients.
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Speaker 3: I'll lie to their face, I'll steal their money, I'll
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Speaker 3: use it on drugs. But I did not kill my
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Speaker 3: wife and son. So is that where he draws the line.
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Speaker 4: Well, of course he's just in denial. I mean, it's
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Speaker 4: fairly clear based on the evidence that you and I
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Speaker 4: Booth watched, you know, with the edification of magic, Cheryl.
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Speaker 4: I mean, we we know that he killed his son
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Speaker 4: and his wife.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's really get go ahead.
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Speaker 4: Cragg As. That is Nancy. As tragic as that is.
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Speaker 4: This is a narcissist. And we know that people who
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Speaker 4: have strong egos will never just roll over and say, Okay, well,
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Speaker 4: it's really my fault. They believe, and you know this,
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Speaker 4: they believe that because they were allowed to fool somebody,
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Speaker 4: or trick somebody, or in this case, kill somebody, it's
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Speaker 4: that person's fault for being lured into the situation which
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Speaker 4: he planned and orchestrated where he had all his wife
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Speaker 4: and his son at home. She was on the verge
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Speaker 4: of divorce. She comes from one place to meet with him,
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Speaker 4: knowing and texting a friend that this seems kind of
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Speaker 4: off a little bit, and that was her failure to
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Speaker 4: abide by her gut, which put her in the position
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Speaker 4: of being manipulated by this guy who feels right, well,
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Speaker 4: I could manipulate her, so what I did was okay.
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Speaker 4: And we know, as people who care about other people,
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Speaker 4: that that's just wrong.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm thinking of all the angles regarding these letters.
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Speaker 3: They mean a lot if you examine them for any
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Speaker 3: prohibitive value. Number one, it shows that it's still all
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Speaker 3: about him, just as it was, just as.
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Speaker 2: It is, just as it always will be.
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Speaker 3: It's all about how he feels, what he wants to portray.
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Speaker 2: It's not about Paul and Maggie.
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Speaker 3: He's not writing so help me God in Heaven, even
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Speaker 3: though I'm in this jail cell, I'm going to find
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Speaker 3: out who murdered them.
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Speaker 4: It's not that that's exactly right, exactly right, show.
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Speaker 3: Who he is yet again, it's not about a never
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Speaker 3: ending quest to get justice or truth for his wife,
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Speaker 3: and his son. It's about clearing his own name, getting sympathizers,
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Speaker 3: and getting support.
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Speaker 4: Well exactly it works with all these angers on that
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Speaker 4: seems to believe and care about him. I don't understand
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Speaker 4: the culture where we even allow that. It's like edifying
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Speaker 4: and glory.
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Speaker 2: Rush back into the middle of the road.
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Speaker 3: Let me just steer us back on to why he's
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Speaker 3: writing the letters, not the nuts that are sending.
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Speaker 2: Him money and love letters.
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Speaker 3: He is insisting on his innocence regarding the team murders.
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Speaker 3: Why because it's who he is. It's not about Matthew y'all.
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Speaker 3: It's about him and point two, it's about his appeal.
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Speaker 3: If he were ever ever to once admit, okay, I
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Speaker 3: did it. I was high out of my gorge on pills.
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Speaker 3: I did it there. If he did that, he would
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Speaker 3: never win on appeal. I don't care how great.
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Speaker 2: You know what.
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Speaker 3: Legal loophole the defense came up with. The appellate court
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Speaker 3: would find out he admit admitted it, and they would say, yes,
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Speaker 3: there was an error at trial, but it was harmless
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Speaker 3: and the outcome would have been the same if with
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Speaker 3: this error had not occurred. You know, That's what the
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Speaker 3: appellate court would do right.
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Speaker 4: There's no question that that's what they would do. So
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Speaker 4: he's got to play that close to the vest. But
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Speaker 4: I would argue that there's no way in hell he
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Speaker 4: was high on drugs when he did this. The ability
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Speaker 4: to kill two people with two separate weapons at a
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Speaker 4: distance belives the fact that he was off on drugs,
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Speaker 4: knew what he was doing.
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Speaker 3: I don't care if he was on drugs or not,
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Speaker 3: because voluntary use with drugs or alcohol it's not a
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Speaker 3: defense under earth agreed the law, and most jurisdictions, but
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Speaker 3: particularly in South Carolina where the case was tried. My
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Speaker 3: point is, why is he doing this? What is motivating
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Speaker 3: him to write scores of letters declaring his innocence in
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Speaker 3: the murders because he wants to win that appeal. If
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Speaker 3: he's crazy, he's crazy like a fox. I don't care
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Speaker 3: if he's on drugs or not.
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Speaker 2: He did it.
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Speaker 3: They're still dead whether he's on drugs or not. Deal Carson.
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Speaker 4: Those letters are going to people who owe him favors,
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Speaker 4: and those people are connected to the jailers. I mean,
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Speaker 4: the depths and penetration of that family's power is uncalculable.
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Speaker 2: He has a raison.
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Speaker 3: You know another thing, if he cared about Paul and Maggie,
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Speaker 3: you know they still don't have gravestones. His father has
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Speaker 3: a graystone, they don't what about that. It's just going
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Speaker 3: to leave them out there with dirt on top of them.
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Speaker 4: Right, right. Of course, his economic situation may prohibit it
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Speaker 4: with them both.
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Speaker 3: If he wants to write letters, he could write letters
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Speaker 3: to people that could help him get the gravestones up.
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Speaker 2: What about that ding ding?
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Speaker 4: That's an excellent.
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Speaker 1: Point Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about his life behind bars. You do
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Speaker 3: know that he has been moved to protective custody, right, dew.
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Speaker 4: All, right, I do, yes. What do you think about
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Speaker 4: eight x ten Ceil and his portrayed as being really
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Speaker 4: horrible conditions, But that's not necessarily the case. They still
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Speaker 4: have access to the outside, and it's in a courtyard
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Speaker 4: that's prevented to them from escaping. But the upshot of
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Speaker 4: all of this is he's being protected from who now
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Speaker 4: they say he's being protected from people who had want
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Speaker 4: his death, and it may be one of the reasons
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Speaker 4: he's lying about the dogs because the insurance company certainly
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Speaker 4: wants to keep him alive, so you don't know where
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Speaker 4: the octopus's tentacles go and how far they penetrate into
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Speaker 4: that system. We know people who've committed suicide, questionably while
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Speaker 4: in custody. Any number of things could happen, and so
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Speaker 4: he needs to be kept alive by the insurance company
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Speaker 4: if they ever have a hope of getting seven point
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Speaker 4: five million dollars back.
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Speaker 3: Do I have to say pedophile father John Gogan. They
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Speaker 3: praested and molested and molested and molested and molested until
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Speaker 3: another inmate killed him. He was in protitive custody too.
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Speaker 4: Well. The prison Nancy, And let me just tell you,
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Speaker 4: the prison has a way of taking care of people.
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Speaker 4: I had the case in Atlanta in the eighties where
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Speaker 4: a young lady who was providing food options for the
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Speaker 4: inmates in population now and was getting ready to go
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Speaker 4: home for Thanksgiving was assaulted and killed by someone she
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Speaker 4: was giving counseling to. It was six months later that
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Speaker 4: he died from a bail that was in a typewriter,
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Speaker 4: that little wire that used to hold the paper down
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Speaker 4: on the rollers for the typewriters. He was stabbed one
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Speaker 4: hundred and eighteen times. So the prisons do have a
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Speaker 4: way of equalizing all of this for us, even though
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Speaker 4: we don't want to do it.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that I would count on jailhouse justice here,
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Speaker 3: because that's few and far between. He never even approached
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Speaker 3: the death penalty. It was not on the table, it
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Speaker 3: was not an option. I don't know that I would
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Speaker 3: count on an inmate to carry out an execution where
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Speaker 3: the court wouldn't do it. I mean, it has happened
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Speaker 3: in the past, but it's few and far between. And
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Speaker 3: speaking of his dire circumstances behind bars, each inmate has
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Speaker 3: their own cell. They are allowed out basically from nine
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Speaker 3: am to four pm. They played Checkers, Checkers, cars, and
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Speaker 3: watch TV. They have a courtyard to go outside. They
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Speaker 3: each have a private tablet for phone calls, emails, internet access,
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Speaker 3: face time. He's calling his girlfriends, they're calling him. Yes,
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Speaker 3: he's got admirers that are sending him money.
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Speaker 2: That's what he's doing. That doesn't sound that bad to me.
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Speaker 4: He's got a tablet. And the truth of the matter
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Speaker 4: is that existence is not so unlike those of us
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Speaker 4: who work every day. We go one place, we stay there,
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Speaker 4: we come home, but our lives are not filled with
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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of adventure beyond that, and he's being
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Speaker 4: granted that authority, that lifestyle, even though he's guilty of
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Speaker 4: killing probably more than one or two people.
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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about him being in
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Speaker 3: protective custody. Do you believe that he will ultimately go
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Speaker 3: back to court on the financial crimes, and if so,
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Speaker 3: would he be taken out of protective's custody to be
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Speaker 3: transported back and forth to the trial.
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Speaker 4: Well, the way it works now is that individuals who
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Speaker 4: bring litigation, both criminal and civil, are allowed to bring
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Speaker 4: that person back into the courtroom to face their accusers.
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Speaker 4: It's one of the requirements of the law. But I
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Speaker 4: will tell you that today's use of zoom video is
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Speaker 4: rather fascinating. We have that in court. I could sit
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Speaker 4: right here in my living room and I could in
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Speaker 4: fact appear in court in twenty minutes waiting to give
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Speaker 4: testimony or obtain testimony. I mean that certainly is a possibility.
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Speaker 4: But of course, if he gets out, he's in general
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Speaker 4: population again, he's exposing he's exposed to whatever risk that
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Speaker 4: they're suggesting he may have.
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Speaker 3: Going back to the glorious Satterfield debacle, where he immediately
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Speaker 3: formulates a plan to defraud steal from Satterfield's family. Explain
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Speaker 3: to those that are not familiar with civil lawsuit doings,
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Speaker 3: how he approached Satterfield's children and said, Hey, i'll represent present.
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Speaker 3: I'll represent you while you sue me and my estate
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Speaker 3: for her death, and I'll get you several hundred thousand dollars.
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Speaker 3: And he gets the money, and then Pocket said, explain
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Speaker 3: how that whole thing works about soliciting clients.
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Speaker 4: Sure, well, So what you do, though, is if you're
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Speaker 4: the responsible party, you're not allowed to have any contact
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Speaker 4: with the victim directly. So you hire another attorney to
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Speaker 4: go represent them, and you coordinate with the other attorney
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Speaker 4: how all of this happens. And then you create, as
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Speaker 4: he did, a company that's sound alike for an existing
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Speaker 4: consulting company. You have the company, the insurance company send
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Speaker 4: the check to that LLC that company that he's created,
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Speaker 4: and then you have a buddy cash the checks for you.
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Speaker 4: But you have to be well connected to do that.
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Speaker 4: And that's one of the concerns of the bar generally,
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Speaker 4: is you full well know if you mess around with
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Speaker 4: somebody's trust fund, you mess around with somebody's money you're
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Speaker 4: going to raise the ire of the bar, which is
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Speaker 4: our controlling agency, immediately. Because you're in such a position
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Speaker 4: to lie to people. People believe you, they want to
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Speaker 4: believe you, and you can draft them on for years,
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Speaker 4: which is exactly what happened here. And because you're trusting
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Speaker 4: your lawyer to save that money for you, and he's
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Speaker 4: telling you, I'm taking care of this, buddy, don't worry
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Speaker 4: about it. I got this. It's just going to be
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Speaker 4: a little bit longer. Who are you gonna believe? So
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Speaker 4: he has that ability, that skill set, and we saw
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Speaker 4: what he was on the stand, his ability to twist
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Speaker 4: things around where they sound reasonable even though it's a
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Speaker 4: clear lie.
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Speaker 3: What do you anticipate happening in the Mallory Beach boat
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Speaker 3: homicide case.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's what you and I would call
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Speaker 4: stere decisives right in the sense that the guy the
25:22
Speaker 4: courts have already ruled essentially that the case is done.
25:26
Speaker 4: They've ruled that, so if it's done, it's closed. You've
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Speaker 4: got to reopen all of that. And now you've got
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Speaker 4: to find a party that's a guilty party. How do
25:37
Speaker 4: you make this guy the custody for killing his wife
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Speaker 4: and son guilty for the younger son's behavior only.
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Speaker 3: By allowing him, and I'm talking about Paul murdog, only
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Speaker 3: by allowing him. The parents knew how to drinking problem,
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Speaker 3: to commandeer the boat and now Mallory Beach is dead
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Speaker 3: the only way.
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 3: That's the only way for criminal, any criminal liability. But
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's going to be any criminal liability
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Speaker 3: in the death of Gloria Sadderfield. As far as the
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Speaker 3: fall itself.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean they never investigated it, you know exactly.
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Speaker 4: You got mom on the nine one one call. You
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Speaker 4: got son in the background chatting things up and telling
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Speaker 4: him to get off the phone. Yeah, you got the
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Speaker 4: husband the driving to the scene. He didn't know what happened,
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Speaker 4: he wasn't there. If he knew anything, he knew it
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Speaker 4: from the witnesses that were never deposed. No information was
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Speaker 4: other gathered from him. And the insurance company simply wanted
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Speaker 4: to settle because of their history of manipulating the system.
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Speaker 4: And it's just easier to settle for four point three
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Speaker 4: million dollars than it is to go to trial in
26:52
Speaker 4: South Carolina, where your warriors alone are going to cost
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Speaker 4: you two million dollars, So you just settled to the limits.
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Speaker 3: You've got Mallory Beach, you have Gloria Satterfield, and you
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Speaker 3: have the Stephen Smith case, which we're still waiting to hear.
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Speaker 2: The next step.
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Speaker 3: It seems to me the next step for Murdoch anyway,
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Speaker 3: and a long line of lawsuits is going to be
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Speaker 3: about the financial crimes. A lot of people don't care
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Speaker 3: about the prosecution of the financial crimes.
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Speaker 2: I do. And this is.
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Speaker 3: If for any reason his murder convictions are reversed, which
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Speaker 3: I do not anticipate, we will still have the convictions
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Speaker 3: for millions of dollars worth of financial fraud. So those
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Speaker 3: cases must be prosecuted, and they're going to go straight
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Speaker 3: back to the same judge who's.
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Speaker 2: Already had a snoop full of Alex Murdoch.
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Speaker 4: You got that right, And of course the victims themselves
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Speaker 4: they want the guy to be convicted if there's any
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Speaker 4: recovery ever made, because you and I both know that
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Speaker 4: the bar has funds that it can use to make
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Speaker 4: people whole when they've been cheated by their lawyers.
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Speaker 2: So that's right, okay, Del Carson. We wait.
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Speaker 3: Apparently the Alex Murdoch story isn't over yet.