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The Big Issues Oct 19 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: Well, it is just on ten thirty and it's time
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Speaker 1: for the Big Issues with thanks to Kolano Community Association
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Speaker 1: and joining us in this studio. Dave Tolner, good morning
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Speaker 1: to be with Youtie and Damie and Hale. Good morning
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Speaker 1: to you. You're really good. Great to see you both.
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Speaker 1: And there is a boy. There's so much going on.
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Speaker 2: One pink jacket today cold a little bit of a riching.
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Speaker 2: Beno looked with the pink. I think it reminds me
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Speaker 2: of when he used to do the Jane McGrath test.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's fantastic. Well, it is Prescotcer Awareness month, so
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Speaker 1: it's perfect time to have a pink jacket on. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it. There's lots happening and Queenslanders it's
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Speaker 1: looking like they're going to be able to spend Christmas
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Speaker 1: with their loved ones under a long awaited roadmap that
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Speaker 1: could allow international travel to begin from early next year,
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Speaker 1: but those who refuse to get vaccinated will face curves
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Speaker 1: on the freedoms that they're currently enjoying, as authorities warned
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Speaker 1: that it would be the last chance for Queenslanders to
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Speaker 1: protect themselves before the Delta wave arrives. So the state's
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Speaker 1: domestic border is going to be thrown open on December seventeen,
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Speaker 1: regardless of whether eighty percent of the eligible Queenslanders are
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Speaker 1: fully vaccinated, but could open sooner if people get the JAB.
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Speaker 1: So it does mean that you're going to be able
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Speaker 1: to travel to Queensland. Ultimately, my understanding is that for
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Speaker 1: some if you're going from a hot spot, I think
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Speaker 1: you're still going to need to get a rapid antigen
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Speaker 1: test and you might need to quarantine for the seventy
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Speaker 1: two hours. Well you wait for that to come back,
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Speaker 1: but it sort of makes you wonder. I mean New
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Speaker 1: South Wales, Victoria, Queensland. The Act said this morning that
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Speaker 1: they're going to open up to New South Wales from
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Speaker 1: next month. Are we going to be here on our
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Speaker 1: own unable to travel anywhere because we've got to go
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Speaker 1: into quarantine If we do.
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Speaker 3: Well, it could be. But it's great.
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Speaker 2: Like the Key's always been about vaccinations, isn't it. So
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Speaker 2: the more people get vaccinated, they're opening up. As you
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Speaker 2: look at Victoria for instance, I think they went into
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Speaker 2: lockdown with what eight cases and they're coming out on Thursday. Admittedly,
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Speaker 2: the admittedly the vaccination rates getting up past seventy. They're
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Speaker 2: coming out Thursday and they're getting two thousand a day
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Speaker 2: over the weekend. So it's about vaccinations, isn't it when
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Speaker 2: you look at it like that. So people just need
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Speaker 2: to get the JAB and it's great. The day colleague
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Speaker 2: here led from the front, scared of needles, petrified of needles,
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Speaker 2: but went in there and did the right thing. And
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Speaker 2: he proudly in proudly in the foyer today as we
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Speaker 2: came in here, I couldn't believe my years. He signed
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Speaker 2: me into the book, which is the first time in
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Speaker 2: three years. I usually have to sign him in. And
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Speaker 2: so he signed me into the book. It's a new
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Speaker 2: Dave Tallner and he said to him proudly, I'm double faxed,
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Speaker 2: and ily fell over.
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Speaker 3: I nearly fell over. I thought, Dave Toner, he's changed,
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Speaker 3: he's signing me in.
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Speaker 4: They still now I've got to ask you, did either
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Speaker 4: of you guys see the Channel nine news last night,
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Speaker 4: which part of it apart with our chief health officer
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Speaker 4: on it, and he was.
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Speaker 1: Very emotional and I and you know what, I actually
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Speaker 1: thought to myself, shit are we ever going to open?
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Speaker 4: Because acted I sat there and thought, shit, is this
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Speaker 4: blake the feller in charge, like he's sitting there blah blah,
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Speaker 4: and Hawaii, this is the chief health officer. You're going
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Speaker 4: to remember. He's wearing a scarf in the middle of
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Speaker 4: the build up. And I'm sitting there thinking, this guy
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Speaker 4: can't be for real. Seriously, our future is not in
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Speaker 4: this Blake's hands. He is not a person who's sort
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Speaker 4: of objective about anything. He's sort of gone right down
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Speaker 4: the emotional path.
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Speaker 1: Well do you reckon though, He's just very worried about
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Speaker 1: the rammifications. You know when we do.
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Speaker 4: This guy is totally out of his depth, and well
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Speaker 4: you look at the rest of the country. The rest
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Speaker 4: of the country sort of worked it out what's going on,
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Speaker 4: and he's going to pieces. He really is going to pieces.
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Speaker 4: I sat there and thought, this fella is not for real.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, but I guess you could look at
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Speaker 1: it from health where you look at it and go,
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Speaker 1: it's been a very busy time. It could be very
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Speaker 1: quite tired. And yet I mean, look, I was surprised
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Speaker 1: obviously to see him very emotional again, because he was
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Speaker 1: very emotional at a press conference last week as well.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know that that's enough to then say
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Speaker 1: that he's to say that he shouldn't be doing the role.
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Speaker 3: He's got a big job.
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Speaker 2: And I didn't see the news, but I've seen you
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Speaker 2: before be emotional during the speaking, particularly about Aboriginal communities.
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Speaker 2: And I think he spent a lot of time with
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Speaker 2: Ariiginal people, obviously, and I think it's it's he's got
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Speaker 2: a different role to any other health professional out there,
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Speaker 2: the chief health officer, because nowhere in the country you're
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Speaker 2: dealing with the amount of particularly full blood Aboriginal people
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Speaker 2: that have got chronic health issues anyway, and so there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of unknown there.
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Speaker 3: So when they keep saying when.
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Speaker 2: Covid arives, when covid arrives, and don't I'm glad, I'm
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Speaker 2: double vaxed.
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Speaker 3: And when this apparently is going to get here.
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Speaker 4: They said the same thing when AIDS turned up, right,
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Speaker 4: everyone was fretting at the time, Oh what about our
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Speaker 4: remote communities, you know, they're all just going to die off,
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Speaker 4: they'll all get AIDS. Well, it just never eventuated. And
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Speaker 4: this view that somehow or other Aboriginal people are different,
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Speaker 4: that they're more vulnerable, and that it just doesn't wash.
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Speaker 4: The first Australians they're Australians like all other Australians. They've
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Speaker 4: got access to the vaccine. If they don't want to
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Speaker 4: take it, that's their business. But if they want to
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Speaker 4: use it, they can use it. But to sit there
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Speaker 4: and hold the rest of the place at ransom because
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Speaker 4: some person's misguided view that these people are somehow inferior
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Speaker 4: to the rest of us and need special measures put
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Speaker 4: in place, I think is just wrong.
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Speaker 3: I think chron chronic illness.
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Speaker 2: And you know when you hear that people pass away
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Speaker 2: from COVID often they've got an underpinning medical problem, whether
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Speaker 2: they're white, black or brindle so and a lot of
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Speaker 2: our unfortunately a lot of our Aboriginal Northern Territorians have
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Speaker 2: got chronic illness.
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Speaker 3: So I can see that he is worried.
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Speaker 4: That's the same as everyone, Haley, Like a lot of
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Speaker 4: people have a chronic illness. They're the people we should
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Speaker 4: be looking after, right, you just don't lump everybody together
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Speaker 4: because there are a particular race. To me, that's just.
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Speaker 3: Right, David. What leaders in the community should be saying.
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Speaker 2: And you're a leader in your side of politics, and
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Speaker 2: people listen to you, and people listen to me, And
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Speaker 2: what I would say to our indigenous brothers and sisters
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Speaker 2: in communities is do not fear the vacs. Get vaccinated.
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Speaker 2: Don't listen to people that are running around there that
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Speaker 2: aren't educated health people that are making all sorts of
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Speaker 2: claim about vaccinations and about the dangers of vaccination. Ignore
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Speaker 2: those people because they don't know what they're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Listen to health professionals, and the health professionals across the
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Speaker 2: world are telling us get vaccinated. So, as a leader
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Speaker 2: on my side of politics, as a labor person and
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Speaker 2: somebody that travels to.
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Speaker 3: Remote communities, I'll be in one.
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Speaker 2: I'm younger tomorrow and Thursday, I would say to my
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Speaker 2: friends over and while I'm younger, get vaccinated. My friends
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Speaker 2: in Maningrida go and get the JAB. My friends in
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Speaker 2: Gumbalognon get vaccinated. That's the messaging that we need to
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Speaker 2: get out there to make Aboriginal people feel confident.
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Speaker 1: To get the name and listen to the health professionals.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't listen to people who are not
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Speaker 1: health professionals that you know. You do need to actually
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Speaker 1: get your advice from a GP, get your advice from somebody.
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Speaker 4: Elections, but also you just put the health professionals in charge.
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Speaker 1: Listen to listen to the health professionals. Listen.
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Speaker 3: I'm very proud of it.
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Speaker 4: I got a message right. If you don't want to
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Speaker 4: be nagged to death by a whole bunch of self
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Speaker 4: righteous people, go get yourself double vaxed. Well, I couldn't
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Speaker 4: care least seriously, if someone's faxed on this, I decision.
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Speaker 4: They should be able to make it. As adults, they
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Speaker 4: should have that choice.
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Speaker 1: On that note, what were the thoughts around the man
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Speaker 1: to true vaccine announcement by the Chief Minister last week?
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Speaker 1: He obviously came out and said that if you are
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Speaker 1: in an outwards facing job where you come into contact
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Speaker 1: with vulnerable people, that you do need to make sure
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Speaker 1: that you get the vaccine. I know, like I know
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Speaker 1: that there was a lot of people who felt quite
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Speaker 1: concerned about that. Now I'm I'm not going to say
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Speaker 1: they're anti vaxxers. I'm going to say that there was
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Speaker 1: people some of them are like, there is definitely some
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Speaker 1: people who are full blown anti vaxers. No matter what
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Speaker 1: we say on this show, no matter who we speak
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Speaker 1: to and what professional we hear from, they do not
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Speaker 1: want to accept that. And we'll get the vaccine. But
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Speaker 1: there are some people who are legitimately concerned for a
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Speaker 1: whole range of reasons, and some you know, like some
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Speaker 1: of them obviously turning out over the weekend. There was
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Speaker 1: thousands of people at that rally on the weekend. There
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Speaker 1: was a lot of people on the on the stairs
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Speaker 1: and on the lawns of Parliament House rallying against the
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Speaker 1: Chief Minister's vaccine mandate. But I am keen to hear
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Speaker 1: your thoughts in this space, whether it was required or
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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's an overreach.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's massive overreach. I mean, it's just a dictator
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Speaker 4: it's becoming a dictatorship.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 4: There was all this talk last week about Sea mcbart
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Speaker 4: and the comments that.
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Speaker 1: She'd made they were too far.
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Speaker 4: Well, you can say that. I got to tell you
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Speaker 4: when the first lockdown's happened. My dad grew up in
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Speaker 4: Germany in the war. He was a young fellow then,
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Speaker 4: has quite strong recollections of it. I called him up
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Speaker 4: and I said, Dad, have you known at any time
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Speaker 4: in your life, particularly in Nazi Germany, where the government
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Speaker 4: just locks you down, where the government tells you can't.
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Speaker 4: He said, even there that there was very few lockdowns,
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Speaker 4: curfews and this sort of nonsense. But all of a
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Speaker 4: sudden now we accepted in Australia. I don't think the
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Speaker 4: comparison's wrong at all. You know what other country locks
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Speaker 4: people up and then demands that they go and get
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Speaker 4: a particular drug and if they don't, they're going to
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Speaker 4: be alluted from society. To me, that is just wrong.
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Speaker 4: That's that is that is authoritarian dictatorship. And you know,
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Speaker 4: we've gone too far. At the end of the day.
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Speaker 4: People should be able to decide on their own back
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Speaker 4: whether they want to go and get a vaccine or not.
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Speaker 4: I mean, we've had flu vaccines for years. No one says, oh,
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Speaker 4: you have to go and get it. A lot of
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Speaker 4: people do good on them, but there's a lot of
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Speaker 4: a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of scenes with kids though, there's a lot of compulsory
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Speaker 2: vaccines and.
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Speaker 1: You don't get your or you don't get your child
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Speaker 1: care subsides, all that.
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Speaker 3: Sort of stuff.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's gone through the Parliament, so it's a legislative
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Speaker 2: order that the Chief Minister's put through. I'm sure I
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Speaker 2: don't want to say too much because I don't want
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Speaker 2: them chanting my address.
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Speaker 6: About where I live next That is way too far.
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Speaker 3: I'm coming around my place.
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Speaker 2: I didn't mow on the weekend, and I'm very proud
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Speaker 2: of the way my lorn.
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Speaker 3: Usually looks front door. You know, I think it's been legislative.
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Speaker 2: People should just you and I understand fully that some
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Speaker 2: people have these views, but it would be naive to
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Speaker 2: think that everybody that turned up on the weekend was
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Speaker 2: about vaccinations. There's a lot of other issues that people
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Speaker 2: aren't happy about in the Northern Territory.
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Speaker 4: One they said neo Nazi.
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Speaker 3: A thousand people.
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Speaker 2: Organizers of the event say there was three thousand people there,
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Speaker 2: so you hear all this different stuff. But you know,
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Speaker 2: Alan Joyce came out Xigo probably nearly twelve months ago
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Speaker 2: now and said that it'll get to a point where
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Speaker 2: if you're not vaccinated, you're not flying corners, And no
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Speaker 2: one shouted in down there.
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Speaker 1: At what point do we actually go? Do you know what?
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Speaker 1: We have to open up as a country. We've got
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Speaker 1: to open up and if there are some people who
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Speaker 1: are choosing not to be vaccinated, then that is really
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Speaker 1: their choice. But we've got to allow Aussies to be
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Speaker 1: able to travel around the country in which they live
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Speaker 1: freely be able to see their families, be able to
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Speaker 1: go home. At what point do we do that?
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Speaker 2: Well, most of the place, most of the states at
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Speaker 2: that point now, so you're get into seventy or eighty
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Speaker 2: percent vaccinated. Once again, we've spoken on this show about
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Speaker 2: this for six or seven months, and we've gone over it,
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Speaker 2: and back in June, I got vaccinated.
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Speaker 3: In June.
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Speaker 2: I happened to be in a remote community and they're
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Speaker 2: trying to rally people to go and get vaccinated.
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Speaker 3: So I said, yeah, go and do that. And it was.
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Speaker 2: Always going to get to this point, Codd like we
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Speaker 2: could all see it on the horizon and everyone's talking
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Speaker 2: about everything else, but the vaccinations was the key. You know,
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Speaker 2: people were lining up to get tested, thousands of people
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Speaker 2: getting tested. Why weren't they just getting vaccinated at the
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Speaker 2: same time. So, you know, the whole role out of
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Speaker 2: the vaccination took time. Whether or not Morrison and the
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Speaker 2: federal government did a poor job at getting that, that's
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Speaker 2: up to any other people to debate.
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Speaker 3: But the reality is now.
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Speaker 5: That we've got the debate, that we've now got the vaccines,
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Speaker 5: we've got the vaccines, we're heading in the right direction,
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Speaker 5: and the country will open up, people continue to get
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Speaker 5: the job.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's take a very short break and we might
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Speaker 1: take a change of pace as well. After the ad break,
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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent we'll talk about but let's
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Speaker 1: make it non COVID related for a while. You are
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Speaker 1: listening to mix one oh four point nine is three sixty, Well,
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Speaker 1: it is just eleven minutes away from eleven o'clock. It
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Speaker 1: is the Big Issues brought to you by Kolano Community
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Speaker 1: Association and in the studio with us of course, Dave
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Speaker 1: Tolner and Damien Hale. And there's been quite a bit
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Speaker 1: going on around the place. I do want to just
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Speaker 1: take you across to this story which is being reported
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Speaker 1: that regional liberals are making the case for the Nationals
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Speaker 1: to back a target of net zero carbon emissions by
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Speaker 1: twenty fifty, with some expressing frustration that the junior coalition
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Speaker 1: partner is presenting itself as a sole voice of country community.
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Speaker 1: So the Coalition party group is going to meet again today.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether that's happened or not. So far,
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Speaker 1: this morning the first time the two parties have come
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Speaker 1: together since Nationals failed to land on a climate policy position.
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Speaker 1: Nationals remain very much opposed to the policy, arguing regional
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Speaker 1: communities and industries will be destroyed in the pursuit of
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Speaker 1: lower carbon pollution. Speculation about over a bound, sorry, over
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Speaker 1: what concessions might be offered to try and get the
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Speaker 1: Nationals over the line. So there's no doubt there is
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Speaker 1: still a lot of discussion about this, a lot to
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Speaker 1: get through. New South Wales Liberal senator Holly Hughes, who
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Speaker 1: lived in the regional town of Maree for many years
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Speaker 1: but now resides in Sydney, believes the Nationals will eventually yield.
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Speaker 1: She said, I think as we move forward the majority
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Speaker 1: of members of the National Party will probably support net
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Speaker 1: zero towards twenty fifty. So, you know, it's hard to know.
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Speaker 5: Let's hope not here we go now, you haven't got
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Speaker 5: fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 2: Occupy the last ten minutes of the show doing Barnaby's
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Speaker 2: bidding in the Northern Territory. Barnas bidding, go on, Dave,
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Speaker 2: give it your best ninety.
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Speaker 1: Seconds, yourn't it.
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Speaker 4: He's good mate. But somebody, some people will think a
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Speaker 4: bit about Barnaby and see his political success compared to others.
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Speaker 4: Have a look at Bill Shorten. Julia Gillard others for Bill.
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Speaker 4: I mean Bill has got to be the classic. We
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Speaker 4: went to the last election. Well he went to the
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Speaker 4: last election with all this bloody hocus pocus policy.
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Speaker 1: Well he did.
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Speaker 4: He went to the last election with all this hocus
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Speaker 4: pocus policy about how we got to sink our economy
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Speaker 4: and embrace the green genie. And look what happened to him.
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Speaker 4: Look what happened to Julia, Look what happened to Malcolm.
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Speaker 4: Like every person who's taken on this, it's a climate.
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Speaker 1: Change years ago.
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Speaker 4: It's only two years ago. It's only two years ago
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Speaker 4: since we had the last federal election. And what a
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Speaker 4: breach of faith it would be to all of those
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Speaker 4: people who supported the Coalition at the last election now
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Speaker 4: to go to Glasgow and sacrifice their jobs.
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Speaker 2: I'm against him going to Glasgow because he's got nothing
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Speaker 2: to contribute.
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Speaker 1: So you don't reckon, you go no, because it's a.
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Speaker 2: Waste of players money sending him. The whole world knows
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Speaker 2: what his views are and that's why we're the laughing
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Speaker 2: stock of most of the world.
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Speaker 6: So you can sit there and say that's well, the
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Speaker 6: National Party don't believe in climate change full stop.
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Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter what policy
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Speaker 2: you put forward.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: They do not believe in climate change. And I'm proud
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Speaker 2: to say that I'm represented by some very good regional
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Speaker 2: members of Parliament that are not National Party member in McMahon,
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Speaker 2: in Warren Snowden, in Luke Gosling, in Melanderie McCarthy, regional members.
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Speaker 2: All Right, the Nationals don't have a mortgage on regional Australia.
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Speaker 2: And if they actually cared about regional Australia, they'd care
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Speaker 2: about our farmers and they're probably the most affected by
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Speaker 2: the effects of climate change. But fundamentally the National Party
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Speaker 2: don't believe in climate change, so it doesn't matter what
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Speaker 2: you put forward, they will push back against it. Let
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Speaker 2: me say this David yesterday Anthony Alberneze, he went to say,
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Speaker 2: put it to the vote now to the Prime minister.
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Speaker 2: The problem prime Minister's got from a political sense is
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Speaker 2: he needs the sixteen National Party seats. And I remember
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Speaker 2: when Barnaby came back as leader. Remember I said that
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Speaker 2: everyone's got a mad uncle at Christmas, that you don't
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Speaker 2: go near after lunch once he starts drinking Bundy. All right,
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Speaker 2: he's all right, until he starts drinking rump and you're avoiding.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby is the mad uncle for the Liberal Party. And
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Speaker 2: what will happen is you'll have Morrison doing the street
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Speaker 2: circuits in the cities talking about the need for renewable energy,
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Speaker 2: and you'll have Barnaby in the region saying it's the
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Speaker 2: end of the world if we shut if we start
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Speaker 2: to pull back on coal for.
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Speaker 4: Like you know, I interjected there, call you ani vaxxer.
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Speaker 4: But the point is the same. You know, well if
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Speaker 4: you call me that, no no. But if according to
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Speaker 4: Michael Ganner, if you don't believe in a vaccine mandate
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Speaker 4: like that, it's that it's compulsory. You are there for
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Speaker 4: an anti vaxa like say, to sit there and say,
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Speaker 4: because you don't want to sign up to all these
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Speaker 4: nonsense sort of policies. In Glasgow, you sort of some
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Speaker 4: somehow or other an anti climate change person. A lot
18:32
Speaker 4: of people sit there and say, look, climate change is real,
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Speaker 4: but we don't have to murder our economy, we don't
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Speaker 4: have to sink our industries in order in order to
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Speaker 4: meet the climate change demands.
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Speaker 2: But we see this from the nationals every time is
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Speaker 2: an election it's irrelevant.
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Speaker 3: A decade. Have a look at the.
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Speaker 4: Last decade of elections you just mentioned elections, have a
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Speaker 4: look at the outcomes of them, and have a look
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Speaker 4: at what happened to climate change as a policy, you know,
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Speaker 4: prescription that we're going to have all these extreme measures,
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Speaker 4: carbon taxes, getting rid of coal, all of that sort
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Speaker 4: of stuff. Australians don't want to swallow that nonsense.
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Speaker 1: What about for like Middle Australia, you know, what about
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Speaker 1: for people like me who believe that climate change is
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Speaker 1: really who are worried, worried about the economy. But we're
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Speaker 1: also though, that's why we need.
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Speaker 4: A new and to stop talking nonsense. This is why,
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Speaker 4: this is why you have to have a nuanced argument
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Speaker 4: and say, listen, we can we can abate a lot
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Speaker 4: of climate change by doing X, Y and z. We
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Speaker 4: can adapt to climate change by doing X, Y and Z.
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Speaker 4: There's a whole range of ways of adapting to climate
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Speaker 4: change which have never even been discussed. The only things
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Speaker 4: discussed is whether we shut down our coal power stations,
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Speaker 4: whether we shut down agriculture, whether we shut down grazing.
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Speaker 4: In all of the industries that Australia has a competitive advantage.
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Speaker 4: That's the only answer that there green laughters. You are
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Speaker 4: saying that.
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying production in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Genuine transition away from burning fossil fuels towards renewable energy.
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Speaker 3: That's what people there.
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Speaker 1: Has to be a transition for. But it's not like.
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Speaker 4: There's another argument, right, So you sit there and say,
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Speaker 4: all right, well, there has to be a transition away
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Speaker 4: from this. How do we do that. Do we tax
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Speaker 4: everybody and put in place a whole range of subsidies
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Speaker 4: for other things, or do we invest in R and D.
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Speaker 4: You know, now there's very little money going into R
20:40
Speaker 4: and D at the moment, the new technologies and all
20:43
Speaker 4: of this sort of stuff. Where the money is going
20:45
Speaker 4: is into subsidizing things that just don't work and massive subsidies,
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Speaker 4: and they're costing our economy enormously. So it's just the
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Speaker 4: way that you look at things. It's matters. You can't
20:56
Speaker 4: sit there in black and white and say, oh, he's
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Speaker 4: a climate change the night all climate chased.
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Speaker 3: Knives they come up with the same.
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Speaker 4: To call us around name under the sun, but at
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Speaker 4: least have a fair reasonable decent new and you can't
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Speaker 4: just a problem.
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Speaker 2: Mistage is that they fundamentally don't believe that we are
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Speaker 2: making an impact on the on the climate.
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Speaker 3: Of the world. They don't.
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Speaker 2: Otherwise they would be part of the solution.
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Speaker 3: They're part of the solution. They're part of the problem.
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Speaker 4: Like there should do.
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Speaker 3: Is put it to the vote, all right, if all
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Speaker 3: these regional.
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Speaker 6: Liberals have we been to a vote, if in his
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Speaker 6: countryment in the parliament, put it to the people.
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Speaker 2: And you're talking like Dave, we've last two weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: we're talking about a twenty year program to get submarines.
21:46
Speaker 2: But yet the liberal nationals are all bent out of
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Speaker 2: shape about something that's thirty years away. All right, we're
21:52
Speaker 2: working towards a goal. Whether or not they get to
21:55
Speaker 2: that goal net zero by twenty fifty, it's just a
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Speaker 2: goal to try to get to.
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Speaker 3: They're all bent out of shape over.
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Speaker 1: Whoween.
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Speaker 3: We can have such national law as well. Mate, we
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Speaker 3: can have submarines in twenty years time. But that's all fine.
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Speaker 3: We can all accept that.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we've run out of time speaking.
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Speaker 3: I've had enough of this morning.
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Speaker 1: Dame Dolar and Damian, it's always fun. Thank you both
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Speaker 1: so much for joining us this morning. For the big issues.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again next week.
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