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What are the solutions at Juventus- Ep. 217 Ft. Berto from AJC · The Calcio Guys

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  What goes around comes around sometimes, or rather life is a circle here on
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  the couch, you guys, I Drano Nicholas, I'm joining this. We're
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  joined this week by Berto from All You've a cast. Berto, how's it
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  going? Good Man? Good man, Thank you guys as always for having
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  me on. We were talking about trying to remember the last time I was
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  on. It's been too long, so thank you for the invite. It's
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  much appreciate it and I look forward to this man us too, And there's
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  lots to talk about this week. Obviously, I think it's perfect timing to
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  talk about Juve after to draw yesterday against Atalanta. But uh, I just
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  want to start and say Agrian remembers this back when we started the podcast.
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  It was les last season, uh in his first in twenty nineteen, and
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  then went on a round saying, you know, his his play style was
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  too stale. It's like when you leave a box of cookies in the pantry.
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  It's too stale. They if it's only on sale, we buy,
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  so just out there. But I don't think I'll go in the rant this
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  time. But it seems like things are starting to repeat itself for You's like
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  Juve and that seems like things are coming to a breaking point. But uh,
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  we got to I mean, unless you want to start right into that
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  stuff, Berto, or or you just want to start with the game.
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  What do you what do you want to do? Either way, man,
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  I'm good you you lead the way and I'm with you. Whatever you want
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  to kick off with. Let's let's keep our listening. Yeah, let's keep
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  the game. Our listeners are listeners on their toes to two Atlanta. It
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  feels like every time we play Atalanta it's always a draw or like one nothing
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  win. They're a good team. I mean, in reality, there's no
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  shame in losing in Titan to Atalanta. But it's a game that you still
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  got to have at home. You score two goals, you can't defensively,
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  you can't let in those two goals. I mean, what do you make
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  of it? Burto It's You're right in the grand scheme of things, a
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  draw to Atalanta to two is not the be all end all. But just
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  like Max, just like these players, it's a body of work. And
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  when you look at the body of work and you look at this last run
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  six points out of a possible twenty one, it's just simply inexcusable. Right
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  the game itself, statistically, you've entisted everything to win that game. We
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  had fifteen opportunities for big chains created at the Lanta had zero big chances,
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  created three shots on target all game, bag two goals. You know,
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  for everybody that loves the stats, x G at Delanta had a point four
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  to eight x G. We were one point five or some whatever. All
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  the stats were there. You did everything to win that game. But but
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  what the stats don't show is the approach and number one. The first half
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  was wasted. In my opinion, Atalanta seemed happy, which I was surprised
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  with to give us the ball for like almost the entire opening thirty minutes,
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  and we had no energy, no drive, like, no nothing, nothing,
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  no like let's punch them in the face and if they're gonna give us
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  a ball, let's get after it. Nothing. And then the second half
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  it was better. It was better, but you fight, you fight hard,
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  you press them, you do everything right to get back to two to
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  one, and then you drop right off again. And the goal that we
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  allowed was completely ridiculous. It was a brutal goal to give up to go
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  to to two again. But that's the stuff that doesn't show up on the
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  stat sheets. And I don't know if Max is ever going to change from
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  that. And that's the biggest question around him right now, is is that
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  approach kind of done and toasted? Like for me, he's fallen back on
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  a defense that can't be trusted. Over these past six games. It's the
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  first time in thirty years we've allowed two goals in four games in a row.
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  Like it just you can't trust this defense anymore. And the goals that
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  we've allowed over this stretch are avoidable and their brutal goals for a strong defense,
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  which we're supposed to be. And that's his claim to fame. It's
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  been dusted and it's gone, and now he doesn't have anything else in his
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  pocket. It was all strong defense and that's gone. It's brutal. So
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  Bertle, do you like you know this game is? It is where it
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  is to to you broke it down perfectly. Uh, you know, people
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  people that watch the game, People that didn't, I mean they really they
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  really probably maybe got a better sense of what what the game was. But
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  like next said, I think I don't know. There's always guys kind of
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  had you guys number I don't know why. It is the approach, the
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  mentality, the tactics for me, you know, working as an outsider.
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  Uh. And I'm dodging two juventini on the on the show tonight, guys.
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  So just just to put that out there, I'm in the middle.
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  I'm in the middle of tonight. Johnny's not here tonight, so I have
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  to do my best to carry to carry the opposition, uh point of view,
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  I guess. But looking on the outside in, you know, I
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  think it's beyond stale, these these tactics, this this mentality. Uh.
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  And I think I guess my overall question is like does this only fall on
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  allegree or does this fall another another pieces management the players themselves, like kind
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  of where do you put again? Wayim is a big word, you know,
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  you know, we don't always like to say, Okay, it's only
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  this person's fault, because I think for me at least, it's a collective.
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  It also does start from the top. So I just kinda want to
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  hear your points of view on maybe just even though this current struggle or just
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  this I guess quote unquote new yu of a that we've been seeing that isn't
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  of of you know, the years of the past, kind of where do
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  you kind of put your your finger onto what the overall issues are. It's
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  it's all of them. It's it just it really is. Everybody's got their
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  own opinion, and everybody puts more weight on one phase out of this club.
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  But to be honest, it's everybody. Three years ago when Max Allegrity
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  took over this team, we were three hundred and forty two million euro in
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  debt. Okay, we're currently at one hundred and twenty three million year own
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  debt. We're finding out that it's probably going to be the season of twenty
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  five when we will be at a break even point. That's if everything goes
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  according to plan, okay, with Champions League and advancing you know, out
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  of the group stage, maybe winning a knockout. So it's been tight at
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  the top. This build that everybody's talking about, it hasn't even started for
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  me. Because if you're in a build and everybody wants to tie it to
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  Max's first year, if you're in a build and you're going from season two
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  to season three of a build, do you think that this team would have
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  only added property they already had in cambiaso Cavilia and then just pick up Timothy
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  Waya for twelve million euros. Does that sound like year two to three of
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  a build. It isn't so. And I feel for this guy because I
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  feel for Max a little bit because it's I see holes all over the place
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  with the roster not so much like everybody says the wages. Throw the wages
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  out the window, because we know previous management sign guys to awful deals.
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  Sandra's making six and a half million years rabbios getting paid a ton for a
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  workhoorse. You know he's making money of like a skilled guts. It's too
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  much, right, So they've kind of lost their way and not really given
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  Max. They haven't been able to give Max enough. In my opinion,
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  the players absolutely have to start taking accountability because it's ridiculous if you look at
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  the same system, same setup that everybody wants to shoot down three to five
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  to two. We played it last year. We tried three formations. Last
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  year we settled on three to five to two because it was the best for
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  the group. Again, going back to the team from last summer to this
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  year, they only added three players. It's the same lineup pretty much.
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  So if guys like Costage Rabbio having his best season last season, Okay,
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  these guys all playing in this system them Danilo was consistent last season. If
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  these guys can't hold consistency in the same system from one year to the next,
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  that's not on the coach for me. Rabul's on one good year out
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  of like four out of five. Okay, Costach abysmal this year, Danilo
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  not consistent, Gatti no consistency, Kiesa and Vlalovich physical problems, big drought
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  throughout the season. You know, look at Delli. How long do I
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  have to hear about being out a position when you're playing in the same spot
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  for three years in a row. Figure it out if you're a baller,
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  figure it out. So for me, the players absolutely zero consistency. And
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  I think we found out in that Atlanta game a little bit that, you
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  know what, the alternatives aren't necessarily that great either, and we're trying to
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  bank on young guys when and they shouldn't be looked at that as the saviors.
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  For me, the key guys in this group have not been able to
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  hold any type of consistency whatsoever, and they need to answer to that.
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  Themselves. But for a Legri his faults. His faults are that he has
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  died on this hill for a guy like Costage. He has died on this
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  hill for Rabio, even through struggles and ghosting through games. He's died on
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  the hill for a lot of guys and they haven't been rewarding them. But
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  the issue with him is you've got to get results. But you know what,
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  it may not necessarily come if you put illing Junior out there, If
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  you put Meretti, who has had a million opportunities, he's done nothing.
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  If you put Kavilia in there, it's not people think like that's gonna be
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  it. It's going to change. You got to play these guys. You
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  do have to play these guys, but to get the best out of your
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  vets who haven't been pulling their wait. In my opinion, I have no
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  problem with the young guys, but we shouldn't be looking at twenty year olds
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  ever as saviors at Juventus. We just period. You shouldn't. Max Aleegri
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  has chosen his guys to kind of die on the hill with it is what
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  it is for me. Formation set up all this tactics, the napoly game
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  tactics, didn't really change. The only thing that changed was the profiles in
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  the middle Medetti and Alcarez, and we saw a completely different style, a
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  different game, different connections between the players because you have guys that play a
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  different style. Rabbio, he's not gonna thread passes, he doesn't try through
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  balls, he doesn't have the vision to lab a ball over the top for
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  somebody running into space, like he's not that guy. Mcknny. McKenny is
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  a perfect example for me of what we're lacking across the board and the roster,
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  because that guy lacks technique, but he makes up for it in effort.
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  Work rate is always, they're consistent, and I can't even say that
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  all the guys get that, to be honest. So if we're not getting
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  it from all our guys, I don't know what to say, Man,
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  I don't know what to say. Like, but Max, he's in the
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  seat that bears the most weight, and you can't go through a spell of
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  six points out of twenty one. You can't go from a title fight to
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  relegation form. So he either the message is stale too and these guys aren't
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  reacting and he can't turn it around for me you got to make a change
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  there too. But the players, they should have been read the Riot Act
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  about two weeks ago and they should be playing for their jobs right now.
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  You bring up, you know, the twenty year olds, and that's all
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  you know. To be honest, That's one thing I've kind of struggled with
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  too, because they're some of these guys. Sure they could have promising future,
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  promising futures, but they're just not there at the city A level,
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  at the Ventus level. One guy like Moretti. You know, we had
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  Anthony on last year and one thing that he said that always stuck with me.
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  He needs to eat a few more pinnini because you saw that in the
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  Atlanta game. He loses a lot of balls. It's very weak. He's
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  talented, there's no question the talent's there, it's just he struggles. And
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  my question is more do you think a Lavery's kind of forced to play these
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  youngers, not necessarily by management he's like, hey, look, you need
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  to play these youngers for because we're going to sell them in the future.
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  Or is it more like, hey, look we're out of money, we
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  can't buy players. This is what you got is do you think he's kind
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  of forcing that way, I would have to like kind of answer the question
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  with another question. Do you think that when Annielli said the game plan is
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  to integrate eight guys from next Gen every year, is the actual long term
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  plan for Juventus? Absolutely no, that's not sustainable. You can and that
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  would be absolutely ridiculous, you know, And for me, it's not what
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  I see yet. A next Gen is it's great, it's brilliant, okay,
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  but there should really only be one maybe two that we should be talking
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  about getting integrated annually. You know. The rest of them I see as
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  bargaining chips, going out on loans, trying to find out what you have
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  there, and the ones that are of the upper echelon should be integrated into
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  the team. But this youth project thing that they were always pushing and trying
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  to go through, for me, it's it's all about the sustainability part of
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  the project in the future, and that's having these talents that you continuously bring
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  income from. But I don't think it's what we're going to be building our
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  team for. And a lot of fans are you know, have bought in
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  and said like, oh, yeah, no, we're going young. Why
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  do we have Maxweter. If we go young right now, this roster for
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  me is tipping the scale on young. We're too young. You don't have
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  a leader, you don't have like true leadership, true guys generals on the
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  pitch. And if you want to put all your eggs in a basket with
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  Suley and Yieldiz and vlavich As, you're tried and next season that's not winning.
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  Esquireto guys like I'm sorry to say, I can't see it happening.
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  He's got so much room to grow in Sulay For me, I still need
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  to see him do it for us before I have that kind of faith.
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  Like it just his numbers with frozen one for me are inflated through pks and
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  four out of his goals are against Kaliari, Like I need to see more
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  against top teams. He had a good game against Milan. That's it.
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  So for me to just bank on all these young guys, I'm not there
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  yet. I think Yieldas is one we can hang on to. Obviously,
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  Hoisten I think should come back and be integrated into the team next year,
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  play rotationally. You know. Outside of that, I can't see Kavelia sticking
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  around. I can't see Medetti. Really Meretti needs a loan before we can
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  even decide. But he's had enough opportunities that for me, that's not on
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  a coach. And everybody wants to talk about this position thing. I'm kind
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  of not buying into the whole positional thing and out of position whatever. I
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  just don't buy into it, guys, I really don't. We're not asking,
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  you know, players to do anything completely out of their wheelhouse. People
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  are acting like we're asking Kiyosa to play as a target man with his back
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  to goal. We're not doing that. Like from left wing to second striker
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  is not the be all end. And again going back to the Knopoly game,
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  it just changed with a couple of different roles. But Alcaz and Medetti
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  their own problems and issues came up in that game. But if you have
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  that type of mind, that type of vision in this midfield with two,
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  with the two mitzalas, our game, our style everything changes changes completely.
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  I just think you're a little bit we're a little bit hindered in the roles.
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  I think even a guy like Fajolie, if he didn't get into the
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  old gambling thing, would have made a difference. This season. I even
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  think he would have made a difference in the middle. We're scrambling. We
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  had to get a young guy from the second tier in England to come in
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  and play some goddamn through balls out of the midfield and stop Kisa from dropping
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  back into the middle. That should say it all about these players. Yes,
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  against Atlanta, we needed a full back to come into the midfield and
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  show these fucking midfield excuse me, these midfielders how to move the ball and
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  how to play in the middle and attack space. That says it all.
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  Boys, Like, I think we're lacking roles. Our roster in general,
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  it's not terrible, it's not like it's the worst roster in the league.
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  But you still have to have all your roles fulfilled, right, And that's
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  how I look at it. We're not fulfilling all the roles that we need.
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  I think, I think. I mean, it's not a dig you
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  fans, but I think you obviously your vent team have been spoiled with with
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  what they had in the past. Right you said, talk about leaders,
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  you talk about you know, role players, you talk about you know players
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  that you know play for the shirt. You guys, like most of the
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  upper teams in the league, you know, the the milan Zins, and
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  you know the events of the world. You know, we were spoiled with
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  having those types of players in those roles. To keep you know, those
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  young guys in check. I think, just to just to kind of bounce
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  off to what you were saying, Bertio, I mean, I think a
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  balance is key. I mean the young stuff I do like to an extent
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  when you put all your eggs in that basket. Probably not, but you
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  need that healthy balance. You can't just go all veterans, or you can't
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  just go all you know you you have to have that that in between where
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  it kind of measures. Well again this you're talking about, you know,
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  like even like for me, like you've a it's like like there's like you
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  again, spoiled with with who you had a captain for the many years.
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  Like I don't even see a captain on the field in my eyes for you
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  guys. And again this is no dig or whatever. It's just my honest
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  opinion. I don't see a leader that you know is gonna say, hey,
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  I'm gonna put you in check because you didn't do this, or I'm
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  going to hold you accountable for me it's it starts with that, It starts
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  with the mentality being weak. I think Berto you know, again, for
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  me, I love to see when when the downfall. But if I'm being
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  on an on the sports fan of the league, I mean we kind of
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  have to call a space of spade. I mean, this is not what
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  you when you see when you speak about Yva. This is not Yova,
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  right, it's far from far from far from that. Again, are we
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  basing that off? Because again, like I said, we are we were
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  spoiled as fans of you know, the mid two thousands Melons, the you
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  know, the the tens of of Juv. I mean, you know what
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  I mean, like we were kind of spoiled with all that. Do you
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  break it down as is as like I am in sense of that it is
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  like a mentality thing because like you said, on paper, this this roster
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  is not the best, but it's obviously it's also not terrible either on paper,
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  and I think obviously you can see there's s tribute results that should have
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  come, you know, here and there throughout sprinkling into the season. But
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  is this a mentality thing in Europe in your eyes? Or is this just
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  I don't know like just overall turmoil and this is kind of just like these
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  final straws of this marriage of an allegory in a UV and and some of
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  these players maybe or maybe are not there and maybe next summer or next year.
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  Sorry, So I don't know kind of where you fall on that aspect.
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  I feel like it absolutely is the mentality Absolutely, I mean, how
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  else do you go from what? Because the skill is there, The skill
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  is there for for certain players like Next, for example, spoke and I
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  don't want to cut you off, but Next spoke about you know, Wolvish
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  last week, right, and we had a bit of a had a bit
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  of a say about him. He's a very in my opinion too. And
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  I will have to agree. The talent is there, obviously, he's talented
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  enough, you know, But mentality, it's it's it's it's kind of hinders
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  him. You know, he has maybe a different story, can maybe kind
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  of put that into a different question later in the show, But it's mentality,
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  like you have to have that killer instinct and if you don't have that
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  as a number nine in this league, I'm sorry, guys, where you're
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  going you might as well play pick up here somewhere and just you know,
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  shoot the boat to your friends and and and you know it'll be a cultural
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  guys FC like that's not world right here. So again I think it's mentality,
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  and I'm glad that you agree it absolutely is. I mean, how
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  else do you go from five six weeks ago to being what one point up
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  on Inter or whatever and then now just like what are we eighteen eighteen behind?
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  Like, uh, it's it's absurd, it's absurd after a one one
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  draw to emply that's how you're gonna crumble, like just like that. And
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  then the lower relegation sides that you're playing, you can't pull out a bit,
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  like you can't get your heads together to start rallying the points here,
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  Like Max Allegrit has always talked about top four this season, always top four,
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  But there was a point where he started getting into it with Inter and
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  he started firing little shots at Malta there and they were going back and forth.
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  For me, that's when that's right around the time this team, this
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  roster started to believe because they started talking about a title. They started talking
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  about let's see what happens. We're in good form, Let's see if we
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  can keep it running. You know, we want to make that push,
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  we want to make that fight that was coming from players. Then all of
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  a sudden you have this slip up at Empoli, then you lose to inter
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  and then all of a sudden, it's just it's flat. It's just flat.
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  And like I said, when a guy that you shop around all summer,
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  Weston McKenny is one of two guys maybe three, you'll say that have
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  at least consistently brought the best version of them still of themselves game in,
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  game out, that speaks volumes about this roster, like he's the guy we
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  were shopping out all summer and he's the one being our best player this season.
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  Bremer next to him for CONSISTENTE and UH play, and then outside of
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  that, who else, maybe tech for consistency, But like ever since the
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  what happened earlier, But even there, there's some moments that's it. That's
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  not good enough, it's not good enough. So the young guys like that's
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  their own thing, and I give them a lot of leash because they're young.
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  But these key guys, where are all our key guys that we can't
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  bank on? You can't bank on any of it it's mentality. Now,
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  where you want to say the mentality comes from. This is where fans start
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  to argue because they say that comes from the manager. It's the manager's duty
• 24:41
  to get these guys ready, game in, game out, whatnot. But
• 24:45
  in the same token, if you are a player and you have reached the
• 24:51
  standard in this setup, in this style, everything's the same. It's up
• 24:56
  to you. It's up to you to keep yourself at that level. Once
• 25:02
  you show the standard and we know you can do it, what is this
• 25:07
  nonsense about different setup, different formation. No, you've done it. You've
• 25:11
  been at the level we require of you. It is up to you to
• 25:15
  keep yourself there and keep your keep yourself accountable, accountability. I've only seen
• 25:22
  that from like two maybe three players this season. Look at Delli called himself
• 25:26
  out, I need to do more whatever. I'm still waiting for him to
• 25:30
  do more, but he said I need to do more. Okay, Rabbio,
• 25:33
  it is us on the pitch. We need to get the job done.
• 25:38
  Danilo, I am far from my best and consistent. Thankfully, my
• 25:42
  teammates have made up for me. He still hasn't gotten it together. Vlauvich
• 25:48
  goes out and publicly calls he takes accountability for the misses against Napoli. If
• 25:53
  I if I want to be where I need to be, I need to
• 25:56
  be burying those chances. Absolutely. But he also called out the mentality and
• 26:00
  saying we broke at that Ampley game and for me tells me everything about this
• 26:06
  roster. And I say half to three quarters of these guys don't even realize
• 26:12
  I think in their heads because they don't play like they're fighting for their jobs.
• 26:18
  If this was a different Juventust, these guys don't even get a sniff
• 26:22
  of this club. If we weren't in such a financial situation pressing like that,
• 26:27
  these guys wouldn't even be at this fucking club. And that's why,
• 26:33
  and that's why when a guy like Fajolie does what he does, does what
• 26:37
  he did. I said. The thing with this kid is he doesn't even
• 26:41
  maybe realize that in a different Juventus they would have sent him packing the second
• 26:47
  they found out see you later. But right now we can't. And that's
• 26:52
  the sad thing is that the club is so handcuffed we almost can't keep our
• 26:56
  spine. It's not the Juventus of old. It has a lot of work.
• 27:02
  The term project in general means under construction. VE is under construction very
• 27:10
  much, so very much so, you know, and it's everything, but
• 27:15
  Max, you just can't keep hitting this stone wall. You're in year out
• 27:21
  where you have to recreate or refined, renew an identity. You can't keep
• 27:26
  doing that. So for that, he does have to answer the toll there.
• 27:32
  Yeah, yeah, he I mean, do you, like, I
• 27:34
  know you have something to add just quickly on that, do you Is it
• 27:38
  a regret bringing allege back at all? I know regrets a big word,
• 27:45
  guys, but you know, do you do you see it? Do you
• 27:48
  see it at all in that in that way? Or likes the alleged set
• 27:51
  you guys more back than maybe you would have been if you would have signed
• 27:53
  another match. I know it's a lot of what ifs too, but because
• 27:57
  you knew what you were getting with all agree, he's he's shot like his
• 28:02
  CV, it's on, it's on, it's on display. We know what
• 28:04
  his CV is. There's no hiding what allegory he does, what he does
• 28:10
  to a team, how he impacts a team positively negatively both ways. We're
• 28:15
  not saying no twenty negative, but because guys, this guy's I'm asked over
• 28:18
  a thousand points and said, yeah, like this is no guy off the
• 28:22
  corner in your Sunday League. That's you know, showing up on the on
• 28:26
  the touch line. No, so you got to give him that. But
• 28:29
  again, this is twenty twenty four This is not twenty fourteen. Uh,
• 28:33
  you know what I mean. So you know again it's it's a lot of
• 28:37
  what if you know, we were speaking, you know, even a bit
• 28:41
  last week about the Malta rumors. Right, Malta is the next coming of
• 28:45
  Jesus CHRISTI it seems to be like from all cultural Twitter. Even though I
• 28:49
  kind of want to hump the brakes on that myself. We spoke about it
• 28:53
  last week, so I don't want to maybe get into that now. But
• 28:57
  just the whole allegory thing, like we're you're already on like the allegur out
• 29:03
  buss where you like, I know, that's a big thing in you of
• 29:06
  a world. Just where do you kind of fall on? How's he said
• 29:10
  your backassentry? The original question, Well, let's get Nick in here.
• 29:12
  Do you do you feel regrets? Because at the time when you guys like
• 29:22
  you know what I mean, Like it's it's like what was another option.
• 29:26
  I think I have a different I think I have and I brought this up
• 29:29
  probably about a month ago on our show, but I have a kind of
• 29:30
  different view as far as his return. But I'm curious to see if Nick,
• 29:37
  how you feel about like, is it has it been? Is there
• 29:38
  regrets there? I think Pulo was unjustly unjustly fired. I think you know,
• 29:45
  what he did for that season was good, you know, considering the
• 29:52
  circumstances, he got everything. You know, he got fired for a season
• 29:56
  that was better than the Legaries first season. I think that I was very
• 30:00
  frustrating, and sure, you know, peer Low was the first Quatch should
• 30:03
  not win a school that though, you know, we won ninth straight and
• 30:07
  then he comes in, we don't win. But it was clear from the
• 30:12
  start that they, you know, Allegary was their guy. And one thing
• 30:17
  I've said on on the podcast multiple times times is that I think was the
• 30:21
  right guy to take you a through last season, through all the struggles from
• 30:23
  last season, you know, with all the punishment, with all the the
• 30:30
  financial stuff, I think he I don't think peer Loow would have survived that.
• 30:34
  You know, I think he's been good obviously, hindsight is twenty twenty,
• 30:41
  and considering what the club as a whole went through, I don't think
• 30:48
  with any other coach we wouldn't be winning the school that through this season,
• 30:51
  you know, simple as that. We're not at the level right now that
• 30:55
  to win the school that though. Is it a regret? That's tough to
• 30:59
  say. I I think, as I said at the top, is it
• 31:03
  feels like it's coming to it. And I've been on the train. If
• 31:06
  you know, a lot of people are calling allegery out. Now. You're
• 31:08
  not gonna fire the guy now, Ve's not been in a position to fire
• 31:12
  him. Now, wait till the season is done. Sit down with them,
• 31:15
  sit down with the players, see what they say, and make that
• 31:18
  move in the summer. You know, it doesn't need to be so dramatic.
• 31:21
  You know, there's what ten games left. Yeah, they're gonna fight.
• 31:26
  They're sure they might crumble and finish fourth. As long as they finish
• 31:30
  the top four is as long as they make Champions League. You still got
• 31:33
  Copialia. Fight for that cop I want that trophy. It's been three long
• 31:37
  years since that last trophy. Yeah, but make any changes in the summer,
• 31:42
  Yeah, I when I go back to the pier little thing like,
• 31:45
  while I agree he didn't necessarily deserve to be sacked, I also feel he
• 31:53
  should have never been hired in the first place, because to me, if
• 31:59
  you're on a nine your straight reign, okay, this godo. You bring
• 32:02
  in a guy for his first job as coach, he didn't even have his
• 32:07
  coaching license. It was like he was getting the last minute there. It's
• 32:12
  insane. And I think when you stop and think about this and you actually
• 32:15
  remove the fact that it's Andrea Pirlo, if you take that persona away from
• 32:22
  that and you just stop and think about it, You've hired a rookie manager
• 32:29
  for his first job while carrying the title for nine straight seasons. It's insane.
• 32:37
  He should have never had the position in the first place. The regret
• 32:42
  thing with Alegri, I don't think so, because I don't think there's any
• 32:46
  other manager that rides through the period we just did. I don't see any
• 32:52
  other guy, any other guy that they would have want. I think would
• 32:57
  have been like, this gig is not bringing me players I want. And
• 33:00
  this is another thing. While everybody says, oh, you know he wanted
• 33:04
  this guy, he wanted that guy, like these were his guys. There's
• 33:07
  a difference between what you want and what you can have. There's a big
• 33:12
  difference there. I don't think Allegri was smashing doors down to go out and
• 33:20
  bring in paradas like. I don't think he was breaking the doors down as
• 33:23
  this is my guy, Like it's all you can afford. There's a big
• 33:29
  difference. You bring in Pog, but you bring in the Maria because they're
• 33:31
  on free transfers. The Maria treated it like a vacation spot. As soon
• 33:37
  as the World Cup ended. He didn't, He didn't care Pog. But
• 33:43
  is the guy even fit he's been with the dope, he's still even fit.
• 33:47
  Like these are things that are out of this guy's hands, and it's
• 33:52
  different between what you want and what you can have, And that gets we
• 33:58
  get so fired up because we're so passionate and we all want the same thing.
• 34:01
  You've to succeed and to thrive. But we can't lose context. I'm
• 34:07
  gonna look back at this period and actually be thankful Max held it together somewhat
• 34:15
  because this is not a build. This is a sustain moment for Juventus.
• 34:21
  Just don't fall off the wagon until we get the finances right. That is
• 34:27
  what the true project was. They're feeding us something else. This is what
• 34:31
  the project has been all along. It's just keep it together. And as
• 34:38
  far as you know, another coach and you know, you're talking about Malta
• 34:42
  and whatever, we could whatever you guys want to get into whatnot. But
• 34:45
  going back through this period, I think when everything, when the dust settles
• 34:51
  and everything, everyone will realize that's probably the right guy to take this one
• 34:55
  on, because my god, yourself in that guy's shoes when the all when
• 35:07
  the dust settles, I think we'll all agree this was the right guy for
• 35:09
  that period of time because put yourself in his shoes, the board completely gets
• 35:15
  wiped out and leaves. You're talking about a scandal you have nothing to do
• 35:19
  with, and you are the face day in day out, meeting it head
• 35:24
  on with the media. Nobody else was around but Max alleged. So while
• 35:31
  I agree the time has come, it's time to move on, I'm actually
• 35:36
  thankful it was this guy because I don't think anybody else sticks around. He
• 35:40
  did the best with the cards he was and it's been anything but a normal
• 35:45
  ride. He's past it like it's just anything but normal. But again,
• 35:52
  you can't keep losing identity. You're in year out and needing these pickups from
• 35:58
  ground zero. You reach ground zero every single year. The first year,
• 36:01
  okay, we'll give it to you. Second year, points total, all
• 36:06
  this deduction whatever, okay, But third year again, louse hitting ground zero,
• 36:12
  hitting rock bought it. And the biggest thing, the defense, that's
• 36:16
  your claim to fame. Now you don't even have that, terrible You've got
• 36:23
  nothing to no lake to stand on, because now your claim to fame is
• 36:28
  also dead and has been blown up, so there's nothing, there's nothing left
• 36:34
  to hang on to because I don't see him being the guy that changes completely
• 36:39
  his philosophy and beliefs, and it might be too little, too late anyways,
• 36:44
  even if he did, you know. Yeah, And I actually wanted
• 36:50
  to ask about that because I looked it up. First twenty one games had
• 36:55
  sixteen wins, four draws, one loss, thirty five goals scored, twelve
• 37:00
  goals against, So pretty good, like they're in a good position. They
• 37:06
  were right up there fighting for though. Last seven games one win, three
• 37:10
  draws, three losses, nine goals for, eleven goals against. It almost
• 37:15
  feels like that first twenty one games was classical. Agree one goal wins,
• 37:21
  two to one wins, shutting it down. And now it feels like he's
• 37:27
  getting more goals. The offense is scoring more. But as you said,
• 37:30
  it's the defense that's really struggling. Do you think you kind of needs to
• 37:37
  take a step back and really just focus on that defense, even if it
• 37:39
  means scoring less goals. Man, I think the where it lies is in
• 37:47
  the pressure. The pressure, the aggression that they play with is far too
• 37:52
  light. It's like it's a situational problem. It's like they don't understand the
• 37:59
  situation. You know, like when you level up with monopoly, smell the
• 38:08
  blood, smell the blood in the water, and get after it and take
• 38:14
  that victory. But they sit back. You sit back and you invite stuff
• 38:17
  and that's when mistakes can happen. Poor Nonge was on the end of his
• 38:22
  But you invite it. It's this situational thing, it's this safe thing.
• 38:28
  Why. I don't know, it's it's like it's got to be coming from
• 38:35
  Max, you know, situationally, like protect, now's the time protect.
• 38:37
  You got back level like you know Atencion. But it's like no, the
• 38:43
  situation for me, like there's a disconnect there. I think between maybe how
• 38:47
  the players feel in game and maybe what's being asked, and maybe that's when
• 38:53
  you start to see it just not driving altogether, you know, like maybe
• 38:59
  the players sense, you know, we should get up, we should get
• 39:01
  on this and after it. But the direction is hold up, let's take
• 39:07
  the point, let's take the draw, because now he's thinking the scudetto's gone,
• 39:10
  let's get the points up for the top top four finish, and that's
• 39:16
  wrong, and that's wrong. If that's what you're trying to do, you
• 39:21
  know, you have to sense it. You have to sense this. Okay,
• 39:24
  we're pressing, Atlanta. We're doing well, we got back to one.
• 39:28
  Go for the kill. Go for the kill. You don't have you
• 39:32
  don't trust your defense. But the thing is, while playing low and a
• 39:39
  deep line, you're still conceding goals like crazy, eleven goals in the seven
• 39:45
  games. So press, press, and make it harder for that team to
• 39:51
  gain that space on you, right, make them have to work for it.
• 39:54
  Don't just give them up until you're thirty yards away from our goal.
• 39:59
  I just feel there's a disconnect there, man, and you need those guys
• 40:04
  to be on all the time. And then it goes back to players consistency.
• 40:07
  Bremer's the only guy that's been consistent back there, Rugani, but he
• 40:10
  doesn't even get playing time. And that's also on Max too. When a
• 40:15
  guy's hot, go with them. You know, how the hell does Sandral
• 40:20
  get starts at You've in twenty twenty four guys Medza mart if I've ever seen
• 40:25
  it, it's it's it's crazy like and again this you know, going back
• 40:30
  to some of your points there at the end there, but that goes back,
• 40:32
  it falls back on the mentality, it really does. I mean,
• 40:36
  you know, yeah, okay, we know like the courtomuzo, the sit
• 40:39
  back, the weight, the weight, the weight, and finally pounds.
• 40:43
  Okay, you're gonna get that goal. You're gonna be able content with that
• 40:45
  one. Nothing. But again, in situations like that, you're up to
• 40:50
  one in a game where you know, and sorry more against an opponent that
• 40:57
  you know that something is going to be up because it always seems to be
• 41:00
  without the Lanta, that there's something obviously cool Miners having, you know,
• 41:06
  a dec entough season and he's obviously a top player in the league, so
• 41:09
  you know whatever, you know, you can kind of buite that Bullard but
• 41:10
  again it's that mentality not to say, fuck, we're gonna go for this
• 41:15
  win. We're not gonna be content because for me, especially this weekend,
• 41:20
  seeing that they did drop down into third momentarily it's only one point something crazy.
• 41:24
  But again, you know that draw for me, if I was a
• 41:28
  UV fan, that for me, I that's a loss. It's not a
• 41:31
  draw. Yeah, okay, it's gonna be a drama in the in the
• 41:34
  statuets. You're gonna only get that one point instead of nothing. Okay,
• 41:37
  yeah, sure, find a dandy. But deep down, like that's a
• 41:39
  loss for me. You know, it's not you cannot be satisfied with a
• 41:44
  two two at home in front of your crowd at the Alliance. Again,
• 41:52
  I'm gonna I sound like a broken record, But it's that mentality. It's
• 41:53
  it's not being up to that standard. I don't see maybe probably the couple
• 42:00
  of players that you named that are really fighting for their shirt because listen,
• 42:05
  at the end of the day, the uvented shirt, just like the Melon
• 42:07
  shirt, just like that inter shirt, Just like a lot of these shirts,
• 42:10
  it's a heavy shirt to wear. And I feel like a lot of
• 42:14
  players this day and age, they don't understand that. You know, for
• 42:19
  Melon's sake, it took an Ibrahimovich to kind of instill that into people,
• 42:22
  into players, into these young guys, because again Milon is somewhat of a
• 42:25
  young team as well. It took a forty odd year old player to do
• 42:29
  that that's been through it and understands that, knows. You know, like
• 42:35
  we said earlier, Juventus they don't really have that. They don't have that
• 42:39
  Killian anymore. You know, they don't have that Barsali, they don't have
• 42:43
  that you know, Banucci, whatever, but they don't have that buffon right
• 42:46
  to to to show you that. Listen, this is Juventus. This is
• 42:52
  not Citi Chi here. You know, this is not the playground stuff.
• 42:54
  So again I agree with what you're saying. I think it really blows down
• 42:59
  to the mentality. Yeah, tactics and this and that is you know,
• 43:05
  stale. You know, he's he's kind of still stuck in his old ways,
• 43:08
  but you know that that is what it is. I mean, I
• 43:12
  don't really I mean, you're not going to change that now, right,
• 43:15
  He's already he's already shown what he's able to do and what he can do
• 43:17
  and how far he can take this team. It's clear that this is not
• 43:22
  a position where he's going to take this team to the next level. I
• 43:23
  don't know what that next level is, bro, Maybe you have more of
• 43:27
  an insight, like where you see, like what's the next level for you?
• 43:30
  Obviously we're kind of coming to a consensus here in an agreement that it's
• 43:35
  most probably not with allegree. How does this club move forward in your eyes?
• 43:40
  You know, before we get into other topics here, I just kind
• 43:43
  of want to hear your thoughts on on that, like what does the summer
• 43:45
  hold beyond just a coaching change. Well, I think there's going to definitely
• 43:52
  be a big sale. We are going to be sellers. We're looking to
• 43:55
  write the books, and I think there is going to be a big deal
• 43:59
  me out of one of those three bremer Case and Vlovich, I think one
• 44:04
  of them is going to be saying goodbye to Juventus. A lot of reports
• 44:08
  of saying it. I've lost a lot of reports saying that partner like partnership
• 44:13
  with us kind of on quote unquote thin Ice. I don't know if that's
• 44:19
  true, but you can see he's not kiz of old, right, So
• 44:22
  I also don't think he's done anything to earn this pay grade, Like,
• 44:27
  what has he done to to earn a payhike? He's he's still got question
• 44:31
  marks about his fitness in terms of statistics. They're down. People want to
• 44:37
  blame everything in the world to protect our beloved players. Yeah, but the
• 44:43
  guy's got a man up and he got called out by Ravenelli, and sure
• 44:47
  shit, his attitude did change the last two games right after Ravenelli said that
• 44:52
  about him. Do we think that's a coincidence. I don't think so.
• 44:55
  These guys know what's being said in media. They hear all this, all
• 44:59
  this talk, and Ravenelli when he goes out there on Mihia and says stuff
• 45:02
  like that, they hear it. They know what's being said about them.
• 45:06
  And he called him out. He called him out, and sure shit,
• 45:09
  last two games his attitude has been much improved. It's up to him.
• 45:15
  It's up to him man to to get it together. This whole positional thing,
• 45:19
  like I said, I've never really bought into it a whole bunch,
• 45:21
  but I'm just gonna say that. You know, it sucks that one of
• 45:28
  those three is probably going to be leaving, But for me, I would
• 45:36
  I would rather see us move some other guys before one of those three,
• 45:40
  if possible, Like Bremer is absolutely untouchable for me right now on this team.
• 45:50
  That's just asinine. If we're moving Bremer, the the number from men
• 45:54
  you has to be astronomical for me to even sit down at the table.
• 46:00
  If you paid one hundred mil for Harry Maguire, you know whatever, many
• 46:05
  years back. I'm not sitting down at the table at least until we're at
• 46:07
  one twenty. These rumors of seventy mili, like, get out of here
• 46:14
  one twenty minimum before I sit down, Kisa. I'd like to see him
• 46:19
  renew on a one year. We need it anyways, because his values in
• 46:23
  the shitter right now, and depending what happens with the Urals, with the
• 46:28
  Azuri, who knows that, and Spalletti maybe Chainey formation too, so who
• 46:31
  knows what's going to happen, But his value might not be the right time.
• 46:37
  Right then, all of a sudden, you got Vlalovich. Valalvich has
• 46:42
  actually made a case for himself to stay around, because he's been on fire
• 46:45
  for twenty twenty four. It's it's a tough one man, It's a it's
• 46:50
  a really, really tough one. But these guys, uh, you know,
• 46:53
  you talk about it, the weight of the shirt and everything like that,
• 46:57
  Like there's standards you got to be at and consistently. See. I
• 47:00
  put on the players, I put that on the man. I don't put
• 47:05
  consistency in players, consistency problems on coaches, Like I just really don't,
• 47:10
  you know. But it's a tough call. You've's got big decisions come in
• 47:15
  this summer. Trying to see the media play games right now because nobody that's
• 47:21
  the one thing. Nobody has any idea what Juventus is going to do.
• 47:25
  We hear left Frank Hoyssen, Soule, they're selling Sue this sailing Barnacia,
• 47:30
  they're selling you know, uh, Kyle George. Nobody has any idea what
• 47:37
  Juventus is going to do. But as far as additions coming in, I
• 47:42
  think maybe a couple, maybe a couple, And I think it's going to
• 47:45
  be another Scarce Mercado, which is going to be tough for the next coach
• 47:50
  as well. I think there's probably gonna be some similar shortcomings out of the
• 47:54
  roster that hit the next coach too. To be honest, I think that's
• 48:00
  I think that's I think that's only Yeah, it's probably only normal. I
• 48:02
  mean it's not. This is clearly not an overnight fix, so that makes
• 48:06
  sense. I mean he's gonna have that. Whoever that next coach is is
• 48:08
  gonna have to pick up some sort of baggage. It's it's only kind of
• 48:12
  part of what it is, you know. So and that's just it.
• 48:15
  But we live in a day and age where everybody wants everything like that push
• 48:20
  of a button, you know, so they expect make the coaching change and
• 48:23
  booms roll into that's good too, people like people like that birdo. It's
• 48:30
  the too a the two reactionary and they're behind. They only see what they
• 48:32
  want to see. They're not You can be a realistic fan and think like
• 48:37
  that. In my opinion, and this is no shot to anybody. But
• 48:38
  listen, if you think you're gonna put you're gonna flip a switch. And
• 48:44
  uh, you know means problems. Inter's problems. You've problems, not probably
• 48:49
  they are gonna go away. Guys, I'm sorry you live in a fucking
• 48:52
  fantasy line that this is not watching what seventeenth coach this season? You know,
• 48:57
  Like, what do you think it doesn't magically change right, then you
• 49:02
  get a guy like that, all see, and then they use that as
• 49:05
  their exam see, look what happened. Well it's a little bit different,
• 49:08
  you know, it's a little bit different. I still want to see him
• 49:12
  get the job done against some top seven teams, which Roma hasn't been able
• 49:15
  to do this season. The last time they did was this weekend against Fiorentina,
• 49:20
  who's just outside top seven. Got a draw, you know, got
• 49:23
  a draw. Arguably should have lost that game. So again, instant coach
• 49:30
  stimulus, little change to the formation. He really didn't do a whole bunch,
• 49:34
  but this team finally got healthy after a month. So even trying to
• 49:37
  take these other examples, it's like people lose context of everything else that's happened,
• 49:45
  lean to that point and just look for the immediate. That's it.
• 49:49
  That's the answer. The coaching change. Yes, could have a major impact
• 49:54
  and big stimulus. It could also go terribly wrong last week just you have
• 50:02
  no idea, you know, And we're how many coaches over the past two
• 50:07
  seasons have I heard hyped up like crazy that have amounted to jack shit,
• 50:16
  Like we could we can have a whole other episodes exactly, My god,
• 50:22
  I had people asking for d on at you a job now, Yeah,
• 50:29
  like come on, it's it's crazy, like it's it's a difficult spot you've
• 50:34
  a's in and they just better hope they get it right, you know,
• 50:40
  with this next coaching call, because I and I mean, we're all assuming
• 50:46
  it happens. On my end, I can't see a contract extension being offered
• 50:52
  to a Legrey right now. I can't see. I would be shocked if
• 50:55
  we're talking about right now, like right here, right now, I would
• 50:58
  be shocked myself as well. Outside. I just can't see. I was
• 51:01
  surprised last season they didn't pull the plug. I understood financially it becomes a
• 51:07
  little bit easier financially this summer still tough, still a big number. But
• 51:14
  I just can't see it. I just can't see them doing it again.
• 51:19
  I really can't. We did get a we did get a question regarding coaching
• 51:23
  future, but which we'll get too soon. But one thing I didn't want
• 51:27
  to bring up. You know, you talked about Keza with you know what
• 51:30
  he's brought to the table. I've said it on this podcast multiple times.
• 51:35
  I just want to, you know, interject, get my opinion on this
• 51:37
  because I've said it on the podcast. I feel like his knee injuries ruined
• 51:40
  him. And you know, even even if you look at the stats,
• 51:44
  his best season statistically in the city, I was still with Ferentina in nineteen
• 51:47
  twenty ten goals nine to six. Sure he had that great season. Long,
• 51:52
  sorry I said, I've been We've been saying that for how long.
• 51:55
  Yeah, it's crazy people, sure understand that. Sure he had assists plus
• 52:00
  other goals in Champions League and Cope Italian that in that twenty twenty one season,
• 52:05
  But then after that two goals, three assists, two goals, five
• 52:07
  assists this season seven goals to assist. Like, guys, he's he's twenty
• 52:12
  six, He's gonna be twenty seven later this year. This is his prime
• 52:15
  there. He's not a young player. And one thing about Kuiza that I've
• 52:19
  been noticing, and this is one thing I said even before you've bought him,
• 52:24
  was there's times he does tries to do everything by himself. Sometimes it
• 52:30
  works, like in the Euros when he was on fire. It works sometimes,
• 52:35
  but then there's other times, like this past weekend against Atlanta, there
• 52:39
  was just too many times Burdo where I don't know if you notice this,
• 52:44
  he just he just tried to shoot from the edge of the eighteen outside the
• 52:46
  eighteen and and some guy in roe h is getting is lucky to catch a
• 52:51
  game ball, you know. Yes, he had a nice goal against Napoli
• 52:55
  and he did a good job, nice shot, and he tried to do
• 52:57
  something similar again against Atlanta. Carnaseki made a nice, safe, good job.
• 53:00
  But he's not a finisher. He creates plays. You saw in the
• 53:05
  first goal, he created that play up with McKenny. Yeah, kudos sim
• 53:08
  that and that's what I want to see. But he's got to stop doing
• 53:12
  it by himself. Yeah, I don't think and I haven't said this out
• 53:19
  on any shows yet or anything. It's something I've kind of held within because
• 53:22
  I've been taking a lot of heat over the past couple of months, all
• 53:25
  right, just in general my opinions and stuff. So sometimes I kind of
• 53:30
  hold on to things. I defended Max a shit ton, okay, but
• 53:37
  now there's just nothing left to defend because the one thing he had for him
• 53:39
  is gone with Kiesa. I've kinda I've kind of opened myself up to the
• 53:46
  goodbye. Everything you're saying I agree with. If we think back to Max
• 53:53
  and some of the first words he said about Fee was he needs to figure
• 53:58
  out situationally how to be better, and the fan base roared about it.
• 54:05
  I remember it roared about Matt What does he talk about our best player?
• 54:09
  This and that guys, we are what a few years later? It's still
• 54:15
  situationally his decision making. He gets into these molds where he tries to do
• 54:21
  way too much and it hurts us. I think Kiasa is a killer if
• 54:29
  he's not your main guy. I think when he tries to be the main
• 54:36
  guy, I don't think he is the main guy or Camby. I think
• 54:40
  when you have him and he's an extra piece, it's fantastic and you can
• 54:49
  offer him up that freedom and whatever. I think when you try to get
• 54:52
  him to be that that catalyst, I think that's where it starts to become
• 54:59
  a little little much right. And do you say that like in terms of
• 55:04
  like scoring goals or do you say that in terms of like where do you
• 55:07
  because he's not a striker, that that's clear. But in my eyes,
• 55:09
  he needs to play close to goal because that's where he's most effective. And
• 55:13
  again I like you as I really do. I'm I'm a fan of his,
• 55:16
  But with with with with limitation on that, because I know what he
• 55:21
  can do. But at the same time, he needs right He needs surrounding
• 55:25
  pieces, like you said, and I agree with that like he for me,
• 55:30
  he needs to be up against the last defender. He needs to be
• 55:34
  up against the last line, running at them and creating. He needs another
• 55:39
  piece in our midfield that can control the midfield, that can push him forward
• 55:45
  to make through runs, to be one v one on a guy that we
• 55:50
  have a midfielder that actually has the balls to pass it quickly when the lane
• 55:55
  is there and get it to him so that he can do his runs an
• 56:00
  when he's trying to be the main guy and also pick the ball up and
• 56:05
  do all this. That's not him. He's not a catalyst. He's not
• 56:07
  this general. So I think that's where a lot of the problems come from.
• 56:12
  If you leave Kise and he's not a folk like he is kind of
• 56:15
  a focal point, but he's not the main guy. If you just leave
• 56:19
  him out to do his thing up against last line of defense, I think
• 56:22
  you have a killer, you know. But if you're asking him to be
• 56:25
  the main guy out of a team and kind of do way too much.
• 56:30
  I think that's where it starts to fall apart with him because I think situationally,
• 56:35
  it's too much for him. But if you narrow down the situations,
• 56:39
  I want you up high. I want you pressing their last line of defense.
• 56:44
  I want you running at guys and going one v one. You have
• 56:47
  a killer, you know. And that's what I think part of the issue
• 56:52
  is. And it still stems from our midfield. Our guys up top.
• 56:57
  I don't have a problem with them, but until you realize that the midfield
• 57:01
  is where it all stems from balance and play everything. We have to correct
• 57:08
  the midfield. And when you have look at Teli, Rabio, McKenny.
• 57:13
  It got us by for so long, you know, but eventually it runs
• 57:19
  dry. And when you have to play through the middle, these guys can't
• 57:22
  do it. They can't do it. They don't have the vision, they
• 57:24
  don't have the passing ability, and it's asking too much. Right. But
• 57:29
  Kisa, if you just narrowed down what he has to do, he's an
• 57:34
  absolute beast, I think on his day. But there's a lot of other
• 57:39
  question marks. Nick touched on too, with the knee and everything else that
• 57:45
  who knows where his head is that sometimes these situations it could be best for
• 57:51
  both Yuva and Kisa for a break and maybe Kisa will flourish somewhere else to
• 57:55
  just relieve himself, you know what I mean, and just take away the
• 58:00
  fact that, you know what, it hasn't worked out. Whatever it's not
• 58:04
  working out, the fans are on me like media's blah blah. You just
• 58:07
  get a fresh start somewhere and then maybe he gets back to who he was,
• 58:10
  right, do you guys both like just to kind of both like to
• 58:14
  touch on both you guys there, Do you guys think that you know your
• 58:17
  top player is not maybe performing at top levels or the expected levels that you
• 58:22
  know fans want or expect is a product of the you know, the squad
• 58:28
  or you know these top players are or maybe not the top players that maybe
• 58:32
  you guys think or you know what I mean, like like it's Kyeza trying
• 58:37
  to do too much because of the guys that he's playing with, or is
• 58:40
  he just not that type of player that can take guys that are a bit
• 58:45
  lower and level to the next level to make your team even better. I
• 58:47
  don't know if that makes sense, but I don't know if how you guys
• 58:52
  kind of see that because you know, it's clear and I'm gonna go back
• 58:58
  on what I just said earlier. It's clear these these top players and you
• 59:01
  know, you're you're forward and they have the talent, right, Like the
• 59:04
  talent is there, you know, mentality or not? Like I mean,
• 59:09
  is it just a byproduct of like the situation and like that's kind of not
• 59:13
  why they're they're they're producing at these levels. Is that why a guy like
• 59:16
  kids is trying to do too much? Is that is that why you know,
• 59:21
  you know, Vovage is not scoring at the level that he should be
• 59:23
  in crucial times in the season, down the stretch when you need it the
• 59:27
  most. Like, I don't know if you guys have any thought on that,
• 59:30
  because as you were talking, I was just kind of thinking along those
• 59:32
  lines. Yeah, I think I think for sure it's a product of the
• 59:37
  team and the other guys as well. I mean, we saw countless scenarios
• 59:42
  even in Atlanta where Kisa wants the ball somewhere and god knows where the hell
• 59:46
  Loka Telli was playing it, Like it just again, it affects all of
• 59:52
  them. When the service is low. For Valovich, we see a frustrated
• 59:54
  Vovich. We see a guy that's lost. He starts to become lost,
• 59:58
  he starts to lose his head, he starts to get way too frustrated.
• 1:00:01
  I mean, yeah, I think it all kind of affects each other.
• 1:00:07
  The press. When you see two three guys pressing and then the next man
• 1:00:12
  in the chain isn't there and it all falls apart. You see how deflated
• 1:00:16
  they are. There's this lack of cohesion. It's you know, and some
• 1:00:22
  of that A lot of that is coaching as well, approach all that,
• 1:00:27
  But yeah, I feel like it's everything. When you're not getting the ball
• 1:00:30
  in the situations you want, and then all of a sudden you have to
• 1:00:34
  start finding a way to get yourself into games. And we've seen Kisa do
• 1:00:37
  that. We've seen him drift all over the field. He's not always just
• 1:00:42
  stuck on the left side. I've seen him games where he's always on the
• 1:00:45
  right because Cambiaso is there and he knows that's the only way he can get
• 1:00:49
  a one two is to go over to where Cambiaso is. So I definitely
• 1:00:53
  think that, you know, some of the personnel that's out there affect certain
• 1:01:00
  games. And changes what these guys can do and what they can't do,
• 1:01:04
  and it all plays a part. But at the end of the day,
• 1:01:08
  you know when you have Like I said again, when you set a standard
• 1:01:13
  as a player of where you need to be, it still comes down to
• 1:01:15
  you to be in at that standard all the time. And Kisa's attitude was
• 1:01:21
  an issue for a bit before Ravenelli's words came. We were seeing him jump
• 1:01:24
  around, hit the turf like he's butella for God's sakes, and pissing and
• 1:01:30
  moaning. And we saw the same with Blavich and whatever, and then look
• 1:01:34
  at Delly was crying the other game for christ sake. It's like, guys,
• 1:01:37
  man up, man up, you know, get the job done.
• 1:01:45
  I've never, in all my playing years walked off a pitch said I had
• 1:01:52
  a shit game because of you, like a coach or a training staff like
• 1:01:55
  I've never ever said that. Like consistency is on me. If I meet
• 1:02:04
  a standard and the coach rewards me with the minutes based on set standard,
• 1:02:08
  it's up to me to meet that all the time, not on him.
• 1:02:15
  And That's how I've always looked at it. So I'm not sure. Uh,
• 1:02:23
  Moving on back to the whole coach discussion. Uh. I want to
• 1:02:28
  get one last question in UH before I want to also talk about the zuty
• 1:02:31
  quickly. But from a friend Dieter on Twitter, Chaoimichi, who who would
• 1:02:38
  be the next coach of Juventus? If the legy won't be the coach of
• 1:02:42
  Juventus next season? The famous question, uh who? All throughout this show
• 1:02:47
  but somebody? Who? Is there someone you think you've a should target?
• 1:02:52
  And is there someone you think you want you've a to target? Man?
• 1:03:00
  I have battled myself. I don't know how many times on this scenario.
• 1:03:06
  I all the media reports suggest Malta, I have doubts. I have doubts
• 1:03:15
  there with Malta man like and again when you go back to like, I
• 1:03:21
  just don't know if I'm comfortable with us making that move. But I'm torn
• 1:03:28
  because it's kind of like this might be the only time you can maybe lock
• 1:03:34
  into a guy that might be a great long term manager. Right, you
• 1:03:38
  might miss out on him for a while now, and if it pans out
• 1:03:42
  for the next club he goes to, you're missing the boat. Right,
• 1:03:46
  There's strong candidates everywhere. Conte could be exactly what Juve need when you're talking
• 1:03:53
  about weak mentality, when you're talking about a soft team, when you're talking
• 1:03:59
  about the green to dining down like. But for me, it's just this
• 1:04:02
  return thing. Do I want to go back to a return again? I'm
• 1:04:08
  getting PTSD from all these returns. Nick, you know I'm done with the
• 1:04:13
  returns, so ah, Malta, I'm I'm open to okay, And as
• 1:04:21
  much as I hate returns as of late, I could understand Conte two.
• 1:04:28
  But the decision is very intense for Juventus. You know. The belief is
• 1:04:36
  that the thought process that a lot of these other upper echelon managers are gonna
• 1:04:42
  want big money, the clops, the sidan and do we have a roster
• 1:04:46
  for Saiddan et cetera. No matter who the coach is, we got to
• 1:04:49
  fix the roster. You always have to boost your roster. You're in year
• 1:04:54
  out. It has to get better, even if you're limited in budget.
• 1:04:57
  It's up to you to find the deals as a director that make improvements,
• 1:05:01
  even if it's a minimal improvement. You have to be working on that regardless.
• 1:05:08
  But Conte, like I have a feeling like three quarters of this dressing
• 1:05:13
  room would run out of the building with the culture shock from being babied by
• 1:05:19
  a legedy. No, they won't list. They won't lie to having Conte
• 1:05:23
  come in rah rah rah, like making you puke and whatever, like I
• 1:05:30
  think they would if they're crying after games where I think they're gonna be broken
• 1:05:34
  down if they can't handle it now, I can't see them handling. So
• 1:05:39
  Malta might be the most balanced. I like the way he's very methodical in
• 1:05:45
  his approach against opponents and everything. I like that he's not glued to one
• 1:05:49
  formation. He's played three or four this season, but he's settled on two,
• 1:05:56
  which he rotates between based on who he's playing. There's a lot of
• 1:06:00
  positives there, but there is question marks. I think it's ultimately gonna come
• 1:06:04
  down to dollars, but Conte might be the best bang for your buck because
• 1:06:11
  I do put him as an elite manager in terms of its short term,
• 1:06:16
  but it's a major turnaround in that short term. He might be the only
• 1:06:21
  upper echelon manager we can afford right now at the moment, because I believe
• 1:06:28
  he wants to come back. I believe he's waiting for the spot and has
• 1:06:30
  been waiting for the spot. I came up with the crazy scenario that if
• 1:06:33
  Top four goes in jeopardy, Juve might actually pull the plug before the season's
• 1:06:42
  end to bring him in to try and save face. That's a wild scenario.
• 1:06:45
  But if things keep going this way, I just I don't know.
• 1:06:50
  Conte is sitting there waiting. He is close with Calvo, he's close with
• 1:06:55
  Juntuli, the rumors. I hear his wife's all over turn saying how much
• 1:07:00
  he wants to be back at Youve's bench. Okay, I think he's been
• 1:07:05
  waiting the whole time, and now that it's so close, I think he's
• 1:07:11
  gonna he's gonna try again to get his spot back in there. But MULTA
• 1:07:16
  for me out of those two, I just want to see a fresh face.
• 1:07:20
  I want to see new ideas. I want to see a new approach
• 1:07:24
  like I would go with Multi personally. But I can understand both. Yeah,
• 1:07:29
  they'll quantit thing I personally just I don't wanna interject there, But I
• 1:07:33
  mean, I don't know the dollar value for him. I think he's gonna
• 1:07:36
  cost a lot. In my personal opinion, he's gonna ask for a lot
• 1:07:41
  in terms of mercato, in terms of who you need to bring in to
• 1:07:44
  get it to a level of his uh, you know, likability. I
• 1:07:47
  think I don't know. I think that might set you guys back a bit
• 1:07:51
  in terms of that in my personal opinion, Well, the results come,
• 1:07:57
  maybe probably he will whip this team into shape. That's for sure. Uh,
• 1:08:00
  there's no doubt about that. I don't know, uh do anything.
• 1:08:05
  And then on the other side, we were talking about a bill last week
• 1:08:08
  in terms of Mota. For me personally, Burtle and I don't know if
• 1:08:12
  you agree or disagree, but it's still a sh us and I know all
• 1:08:15
  the all the manta heads and everybody go, oh my god, he's the
• 1:08:18
  next company, He's the next Jazu Bombin. Like, guys take it easy,
• 1:08:21
  like let's let's calm down a bit. But for me it's still and
• 1:08:25
  I've we've loved where he's not a Bologna you know, owned but joy Saputo
• 1:08:30
  with the connections are there. We love it. But for me, it's
• 1:08:33
  still a small sample size. It's still a small sample size. Like,
• 1:08:38
  yes, it's been going very well. Yes he has Boloni at a level
• 1:08:41
  that they didn't expect. I agree one hundred percent. The sample size for
• 1:08:45
  me, Burtle is still a bit too small to say that, Hey,
• 1:08:47
  now I'm going from Bologna and I'm taking over Juventus. Like this is not
• 1:08:51
  and I said it last week and I said to myself, I was going
• 1:08:54
  to bring it into this episode. But we're here, so we're going to
• 1:08:56
  talk about it. But it's not like you're going from you know, Bologna
• 1:09:00
  to you know, to a Fiorentina or you know, uh, you know,
• 1:09:06
  even to maybe one of the Roman teams maybe or to an Atalanta maybe,
• 1:09:10
  you know what I mean. Like you're going to the one of the
• 1:09:12
  Big three. As if you want to agree with that or not, you're
• 1:09:15
  going to one of the Big three. For me, the sample size is
• 1:09:18
  still a bit too small, even though the reward at the end of it
• 1:09:25
  can probably really be beneficial and can really build this team to another level.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah, do you agree with that at all? Like it is the simple
• 1:09:31
  size a bit too small, even though it's probably maybe the logical route.
• 1:09:36
  It's one thousand a valid concern. Absolutely absolutely it is. But if we
• 1:09:44
  look at the options, you know, when Did's Arabi was hyped up,
• 1:09:49
  still getting hyped up by some I don't know why the guy can't keep the
• 1:09:53
  ball out of his own net, you know, like sixty goals allowed every
• 1:09:56
  every season. Uhd Arab is a one trick pony for me. Everybody that
• 1:10:00
  was gassing up Italiano, I said, I'm not buying into it, you
• 1:10:02
  know, like there's no alternatives, there's no plan b's or anything. That's
• 1:10:06
  what I like about Multa. It's very balanced, very very good offensively,
• 1:10:12
  very good defensively. They're built off defense first. They just play very very
• 1:10:15
  fluid in attack and everything. The concern about making that move Bologna to you,
• 1:10:21
  then nice thing there is he's played for the big clubs and he will
• 1:10:28
  know what the atmosphere is like at Trouble big club that is big for him.
• 1:10:35
  You know, he will be very much accustomed to what it's like at
• 1:10:40
  big teams, big clubs, and I think that's part of what he's bringing
• 1:10:45
  to Bologna that's actually helping them, is letting them understand like what it actually
• 1:10:51
  takes and getting all the guys to buy in. Uh. Yeah, It's
• 1:10:59
  just it's one of these things, Like I said, Juve's going to have
• 1:11:01
  a summer filled with difficult, difficult decisions when it comes to sales and when
• 1:11:08
  it comes to the coaching spot, Malta for me, out of all the
• 1:11:14
  guys that are getting gassed up. I know I talked earlier. We were
• 1:11:15
  laughing about it, like oh man, this is the next big thing,
• 1:11:18
  and then they forget about him, you know, three weeks later and everything.
• 1:11:23
  But Malta for me, out of all these kind of up and coming
• 1:11:27
  guys, he I'd put ahead of all those other guys. And if we're
• 1:11:31
  looking at these other rumored names like Palladino, I'm not taking him over Malta.
• 1:11:39
  But I have no problems with Igor Tudor. I actually like Tudor as
• 1:11:43
  a coach, but I'm not taking him over Malta after seeing what Malta has
• 1:11:45
  done versus Tudor's body of work. You know, the only other guys I'd
• 1:11:53
  take ahead of them are probably going to be out of our price range.
• 1:11:58
  So it's kind of one of those things where it's going to be a gamble
• 1:12:01
  and it's going to be a risk any way you slice it. Conte could
• 1:12:05
  come back and it could blow up in our face, you know, like
• 1:12:10
  we could spend big money on another coach. He might not like the fact
• 1:12:14
  that we're handcuffed and say, you know, what I'm out. You guys
• 1:12:16
  can't bring in anybody like I'm walking like everything's going to be a risk.
• 1:12:23
  But if Malta is willing, i'd probably I think this is the chance to
• 1:12:30
  tie into him long term because I think big clubs are going to be looking
• 1:12:32
  to get him and lock into him. So sure, it's one of those
• 1:12:38
  things. Hey, we just took a stab. It went wrong. I
• 1:12:41
  mean, I can't see it going that far downhill because the finances are starting
• 1:12:47
  to get right. You know, we scrape through these past three years whatever,
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  but now we're getting closer to break even, and then once June Polie
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  can actually break those shackles, I think it's okay. So theoretically a coach
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  might not get the guys he wants his first season, and that would be
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  a final right too, because that's kind of going to be his season to
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  implement his ways, his methods, his philosophy, and then you start to
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  build with the Mercatos going. So the timing is actually perfect if you're a
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  Blessing in the skies. Maybe yeah, the timing is actually perfect if you
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  stop and think about it in that sense. One last topic I want to
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  bring up the Azuti specifically, I want to talk about, you know,
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  Juvid players with the Azuti because one name in particular, day Cambiaso. He's
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  never play a game for the Attuiti. He got called up during their last
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  qualifiers in November. He's interesting because you know he's twenty four years old.
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  You know, whenever there's these tournaments, there's always that one player who's kind
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  of up and coming that makes a team, even as a death. And
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  what was really interesting is that he did play the midfield position on Sunday and
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  he did a good job at it. And you know, me and me
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  and Jiano and Janney, we had a discussion last week of you know,
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  who to bring to the Euros and you always need to have players. I'm
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  not saying Cambiozo deserves to start. There's a lot better players at him on
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  the wings, but it's good to have that. You know, you're saying
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  hockey, that that plug, that that roster guy who could play anywhere in
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  the lineup. Is he someone who's kind of on track this season he's having
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  to to make the Euros? And are there other Uventus players you expect to
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  make the team. Obviously, ok Keys is the obvious one. But I
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  mean, this is not going to be a Juventus field team like in the
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  past, So I mean, what do you expect for the Cambiaso should be
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  making that team as a substitute player. Absolutely, in my opinion, the
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  Euro team. He shouldn't make the Euro team, absolutely absolutely, he should
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  interesting the versu tility. Absolutely, you got a guy going down, Cambiaso
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  has got to be up there in the mix. He could play left or
• 1:15:08
  right, you know, and he could play he could fill in in the
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  midfield. For me, Cambiaso should be on that team. If we're looking
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  at the center backs too, if the guy would have got more minutes and
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  continued as form, maybe even Rugani could have been a backup out as one
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  of the center back roles and whatnot. Because he was having such a strong,
• 1:15:28
  strong season and we shut him down and we went back to Sandra.
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  But uh, as far as the Bianco Neti go, I think Cambiaso and
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  I think Kiasa make it, and uh I don't. I don't think anybody
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  else, man, I don't think Keen's making It was zero contributions. He
• 1:15:48
  just jostled Gatti out of a goal there, the two of them were fighting
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  each other against Atlanta in the ninety four win for Christ's sake instead of getting
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  the ball in the net. Yeah, I think that's gonna be it.
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  Man. Look at Deli, I I don't think he's gonna make it,
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  man, And if he doesn't wake up like it's not looking good for him.
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  I think I think, uh, this this upcoming break right now,
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  because they'll they'll have obviously the games in the States, the twenty first,
• 1:16:17
  twenty fourth co ops should be coming soon. I believe this week. If
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  not, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, I think I think even that's
• 1:16:27
  an opportunity right for some of these players that we're still unsure about. Like
• 1:16:30
  you say, you think it can be also like I'm not sure yet about
• 1:16:34
  that. So maybe, you know, these co ops kind of maybe prove
• 1:16:38
  some people wrong, maybe kind of get a better look. I think Sport
• 1:16:42
  is really gonna, you know, use his options and and and use them
• 1:16:45
  wisely. I think he's gonna experiment guys. And I think even though it's
• 1:16:47
  a short timetable obviously to the Euros, I still think, come you know,
• 1:16:54
  this end of this week into next week into the UH into the UH.
• 1:16:58
  You know, these friendly games. I think we get another look at
• 1:17:00
  some other players that we're still unsure of. If which I think is a
• 1:17:04
  positive, is Spalletti's going three four two one. Cambiasso's gotta go like you're
• 1:17:11
  gonna play de de Lorenzo as a wing back. I can't see it,
• 1:17:15
  No, no, I can't. I can't see him playing as a right
• 1:17:19
  wing back. I think I think you agree, and I can see it
• 1:17:24
  for sure. I think we have some good players like wing backs. We
• 1:17:28
  have some good players. That's why I'm saying, like Cambiozo, he's going
• 1:17:30
  there as substitute depth roll injury. DeMarco will have the left side on lockdown
• 1:17:40
  for back or in wing back scenario. But de Lorenzo is a wing back.
• 1:17:45
  I'm not I'm not really feeling it. I think he I feel like
• 1:17:48
  he would take up a right center back role and then maybe maybe in possession.
• 1:17:55
  Spalletti wants to go to a four man back or something, so I
• 1:17:58
  can't see de Lorenzo as the actual out know wingback. That's why we'll see
• 1:18:01
  what happens in these American games there that they're coming down for, so it'll
• 1:18:08
  be interesting to see. But I feel like Cambiaso would be a piece,
• 1:18:12
  I would, especially if he's thinking about three five two or three four two
• 1:18:15
  one, I would definitely definitely take them, definitely. But it makes sense
• 1:18:21
  what Spiletti's doing and thinking about that change people that don't fucking watch you know
• 1:18:27
  you every week I'm gonna say like, hey, maybe this is the wrong
• 1:18:29
  decision, and yeah, you know what I mean, Like that's why I'm
• 1:18:31
  so unsure, Like I don't think like for me, he doesn't walk in
• 1:18:34
  front of the Orenzel. That's my opinion, you know, you see it
• 1:18:38
  otherwise, that's that's fair. Can he be a death piece for sure?
• 1:18:44
  For crying out out my til Pesino was a death piece for us at the
• 1:18:46
  Euros, right there you go, And he scored two goals. We didn't
• 1:18:49
  expect him to really do or not two three goals, whatever it was,
• 1:18:53
  We didn't expect him to do it very much. So there's there's a lot
• 1:18:58
  of decisions to be made. Again, like you said, with you,
• 1:19:00
  I think for thisby there's a lot of decisions to be made. I think
• 1:19:02
  Spiletti's doing the right thing. But you know, your spine, your core
• 1:19:08
  is all with one team and plays a certain way, and I think it's
• 1:19:10
  the right idea to probably move that way if he's thinking about the formation shift.
• 1:19:15
  And then yeah, as far as the players go, that could change
• 1:19:18
  all the time, man, injuries, whatever. We just have to we
• 1:19:23
  have to just wait and see what happens. But I think Cambiasso, I
• 1:19:27
  think he'll be in the mix, He'll be in the talks. But outside
• 1:19:30
  of that, for you've Kisa, it's probably it even cares that. These
• 1:19:34
  days it seems like it's a it's not a lock anymore. So we'll see,
• 1:19:38
  we'll see. There's a lot to talk about. So I don't think
• 1:19:41
  Ksa can get snubbed. Man, I don't think splet no, no,
• 1:19:44
  I don't up running attack. Yeah, that would be insane. If he's
• 1:19:48
  healthy. If he's healthy, yeah, knocking, knock on whatever. See
• 1:19:55
  what happens there, Corney, but but not Berto again, we really do
• 1:20:00
  appreciate your time tonight. It's been a fantastic chat. I know we kind
• 1:20:03
  of maybe want a bit overboarder on time. We appreciate your time very very
• 1:20:06
  much. I know Johnny couldn't be here tonight, but you know he sends
• 1:20:11
  his well wishes as well. Just before we let you go out of here.
• 1:20:15
  Uh, anything you want to plug obviously, you guys are the big
• 1:20:18
  you have a hob for for podcasts, for for content. Yeah, you
• 1:20:24
  know, just the four yours plug whatever you need to plug and we'll get
• 1:20:28
  we'll get out of here. Appreciate it man as always, absolute pleasure joining
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• 1:20:35
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• 1:20:45
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• 1:21:00
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• 1:21:01
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• 1:21:08
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• 1:21:14
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• 1:21:17
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• 1:21:23
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• 1:21:26
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• 1:21:30
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• 1:21:33
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• 1:21:38
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• 1:21:54
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• 1:21:58
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• 1:22:31
  Berto, it was an absolute pleasure to listen to. I'm glad we're on
• 1:22:34
  the same wave, laved with so many you opinions. I mean, we
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  follow each other on Twitter, we say that all the time, but it
• 1:22:39
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• 1:22:42
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• 1:22:45
  thanks for listening. Take care,