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- Andrea: Hello and welcome back to Brilliant Minds, our rabbit trail episode. And you know, before thinking about this ⁓ intro, I was like, is it almost Easter? Is it like little bunny time? Is this a good time for a rabbit trail? I think so. think we're getting close. So ⁓ I think like, I think like right before that time, whether or not you decide to celebrate Easter or whatever that looks like for you. ⁓ Olivia: This podcast is for entertainment, informational, educational purposes only. Although the hosts are licensed therapists, this podcast is not a substitute for professional mental health services. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship. By the time it comes out, yeah, well, right before, right after, I don't know. Andrea: If you are experiencing mental health concerns, please seek help from a qualified mental health professional in your area. If you are in crisis, call or text a suicide prevention line in your country immediately. In the U.S., you can call or text 988 or use online chat at 988lifeline.org. I mean, I love Easter for egg hunts and the like cute spring decor that comes with bunny rabbits because I'm a weirdo. So, but anyways, again, trailing off as we do in these episodes, ⁓ is our rabbit trail episode. ⁓ Olivia: Classic example. Andrea: ⁓ my goodness, there's I feel like I haven't seen you all week and like that but like I did I saw you Tuesday, I don't know we chat Olivia: ⁓ lord. Yeah. is I feel like we talked less this week than usual. That was the biggest thing. Yeah. How the heck are you? would be a great time to just catch up. The rabbit show will actually just be us catching up on our weeks. ⁓ Andrea: Yes. Yes. I know, right? Well, I'm running a 5K this weekend, which was actually on my rabbit trail list. ⁓ Olivia: ⁓ have you run a 5k? okay. Well, that answers that question. Andrea: I don't run. Okay, but here's the thing, ran, ⁓ run, I've done five 5Ks total. So I've run, ⁓ I've them. Run being a very loose term. ⁓ Olivia: ⁓ yes, the loose runs. We love those. Andrea: ⁓ But apparently I just learned this my mom does a st. Patrick's Day run single year apparently also this episode is coming out after st. Patrick's Day So I will have already run this run ⁓ the time you're hearing this episode So will update you next time But apparently she runs a st. Patrick's Day 5k every single year I did not know this if looking back I'm like, yeah, duh. does like I've done Probably three out of the five 5Ks I've done have all been shamrock runs. ⁓ Olivia: This is the point and this is your autism brain. Andrea: You Well, this is just like, this 5K is just filling my brain right now because a couple weeks ago I hurt my back really bad and then couldn't run. And so I'm like finally getting back into it and running again. But I like, my mom asked me the other day, she's like, do you want me to run with you or do you want me to go ahead? And I was like, I don't know how to feel. Olivia: I mean, are you... competitive are you? I feel like I know the answer to this. It's like fairly competitive, right? Andrea: Yeah, and me and my mom together? Get out of town. Olivia: Yeah, so... are you preparing for this race? ⁓ Andrea: Okay, so here's the other piece of this. I don't run. The last time I was like training using running was during COVID, because I couldn't go to the gym. And I fell twice and busted both my knees super bad. first of all, I'm tired. I'm terrified of ⁓ for this run, especially being in the desert and it's all rocks. So there's that. I'm running. once maybe twice a week depending on how I feel with the dog. So that's about it. That's all I've done. Olivia: Are you wanting to actually run the whole thing? Andrea: I don't think so. I have only been doing intervals and I just last week hit three miles for the first time because a 5k is like 3.1 or something miles and I just hit three miles for the first time. And I'm running for a minute walking for 45 seconds. Running for a minute walking for 45 seconds. So that's like my interval. We'll see. Olivia: I, I'm going to take this moment to appreciate the privilege that I come from I have never participated in any race and I have not come from a family that has ever participated in any race. It's just not in the gene pool of friends and we are good with it. Y'all we are so good with it. Andrea: You Man, when I found powerlifting, for those of you don't know, I am a powerlifter, like I compete. And when I found that as like my world of exercise, running was gone. I was like, nope, running like raises my cortisol levels. like don't feel good when I run. So I stopped because now I was like, well, now I get to be competitive in lifting more weight than my mom. I know she sometimes listens to these and she will find that funny. ⁓ weird getting back to it and I'm like, do I like this or do I absolutely hate this? And depends the day. Olivia: It's funny, I say that I've never participated in a race and I stand by that wholeheartedly. It's absolute fact. The very odd thing about me, I don't know if we've talked about this, the very odd thing about me is I can run really fast. I'm a really, really good sprinter. Andrea: Like, what are we talking? What are we? Okay, sprinting. Olivia: ⁓ yeah, up, ⁓ could beat every guy my age. I was faster than everyone I knew. and the power that I felt. was like, like the infinity stones, just like ⁓ power could run faster than every person I knew. ⁓ I would race people all the time because I was like determined to be the fastest one. Anyways, so really, really fast. And the other day I was like, when was the last time? Andrea: Ha ha ha! ⁓ my gosh, feels so good. Ugh. I love it. Mm-hmm. Olivia: I run as fast as I could. And it was just this weird nostalgic moment of like, I used to it ⁓ the time growing up when I was a kid. I was outside all the time. I was like trying to race everyone in the mother to see if I could be the fastest. ⁓ here I am, like, I can't even, I even remember the last time I ran as fast as I could. Andrea: That's a great question. Yeah. So do we need to put foot race on our friendship bucket list? Olivia: Ooh, we should. I beat the pants off of you. But similar. Well, also, this bitch gonna fall. Don't even have to be that fast. Andrea: Touché. Damn it. But now I want to go do it and just prove to myself I won't fall. Olivia: Okay, on a related note though, when was the last time you ran as fast as you could? Andrea: ⁓ Gosh Probably high school sprints for volleyball camp like so 20 years ago No Olivia: girl. ⁓ like, wait, woo, ⁓ the same age, the math ain't mathin'. ⁓ Andrea: 16 years ago. 16 years ago exactly. Okay. Olivia: right, pull up the friendship bucket list, hot air balloon, romantic hot air balloon ride and foot race. ⁓ Andrea: foot race. Olivia: Why'd you have to say foot like that? Andrea: Did I say it weird? Olivia: Foot raise. Andrea: I was enunciating so I could spell it correctly. Olivia: Do you have problems spelling foot frequently? I'm sorry, frequently. Andrea: When I type, I have to sound things out. Like, in ways, the whole ways. The whole word. Olivia: The whole way. Andrea: So what? Olivia: Mm-hmm, no, go on, it's fine. My rabbit trail to that, which is getting into my mind, because I was homeschooled, super cool, K through 12. ⁓ Andrea: ⁓ No, fine. NER- Olivia: Yeah, that's pretty much all anyone should ever have to know about me. My mom made me do like a typing class. ⁓ Andrea: ⁓ my gosh. Olivia: to learn how to type faster. Andrea: quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. Olivia: ⁓ no, it was infinitely harder than that. It would be like, it was like a, class is a strong word. It was basically like a curriculum. Curriculum is also strong. I don't know. Okay. I'm just going to describe what it is. No, it was literally like this ⁓ flip book that would like stand up and you'd have the keyboard in front of you and you would literally have to copy what it had on this like piece of, but it would be like, it would literally just be letters. It wouldn't even be like words. Andrea: Like a workshop. Mm-hmm. Olivia: Yeah. Yeah. Because it was all about trying to get your hands to be in a certain place so that you would never have to look at the keyboard. So I never look at the keyboard when I type. Andrea: That's weird. Right. Yeah, same. Interesting. Well, okay, so you did this at home on your home computer, I'm assuming then. Olivia: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was home schooled, not school schooled. Andrea: Yeah. Hey, I- some homeschool people that I know go to these like class for a day or some shit do that. I don't know, but- Olivia: I mean, I did that, but no, yeah, was, it was at home. Andrea: Yeah, that was at home. What I had to do was we had these little keyboards with a teeny tiny little screen, just like this one sentence long screen, and we had to type these crazy sentences. And they were just like, the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog, and you had to just type that over and over again, because that sentence hits keys in every quadrant of the keyboard. Olivia: And it's so funny because like... shortly after our generation. Never doing that. Andrea: Mm-hmm. Yeah, like cursive, I think about this a lot actually, unfortunately too much that I probably need to chill. The number people that don't know how to read or write in cursive blows my mind. Olivia: Did you learn Andrea: ⁓ yeah, right off the bat. didn't even, I think we went straight to cursive. Olivia: Straight to cursive? No, I learned to cursive, yeah, but I didn't go straight to cursive. What kind of satanic cult are you a part of? Andrea: Did you not? Yeah. Okay. ⁓ yeah. It was like, it was private school. Olivia: Yeah. Andrea: I went to private school for the first til third, til fourth grade? Something like that? Olivia: Yeah. I went to a private school senior year of high school, technically, but I didn't graduate from there. I would literally never recommend a private school to anyone ever. I would literally say home school or public education. Private schools can fly a kite. I haven't heard a good experience at any one of them. Andrea: Mm. I was, I guess I moved, I moved to Seattle halfway through third grade and in third grade at private school we were like working on our nine, like multiplication nines and when I moved to public school they were doing like triple digit multiplication in third grade. So I skipped like everything multiplication and went straight to that. Olivia: Rough. Andrea: I do blame that a little bit for my bad math skills, but I also am pretty sure I have dyscalculia, so like, that's also an issue. ⁓ Olivia: I definitely have that too. That's why math was a problem for me. Andrea: Yeah, but like, yeah, I went straight to cursive and it like, I think about the fact that so many Gen Zers have never read or had to read or write in cursive. And so their signatures are literally printed. Olivia: Well, they're not. You know, not literally printed, but... Andrea: Well, a lot of them are. I have seen a lot of them. Olivia: Yeah. I mean, my signature isn't cursive. Andrea: It's not. Olivia: No, even though I learned it. Andrea: Really? Olivia: Why would I write in cursive? Andrea: Because that's what a signature is, isn't it? Olivia: Maybe at the satanic private school No mom writes her my mom signatures congursive hands down Andrea: Everybody in my family, extended family, their signatures are in cursive. Olivia: I can show you my signature, it's not that. It literally looks like an O and an L and then like kind of some things with some I's and then like a B and then kind of a line for a K and pfft. Andrea: That's so interesting. Olivia: No cursive, no. Andrea: I mean mine's a bunch of squiggles, but it's all cursive squiggles. It's all. Olivia: No, No, Andrea: ⁓ huh. ⁓ see, I'm thinking, like, I have seen, like, young people not even do just, like, a signature. Like, they're doing, like, printing their full name out. Yeah, in print. They're not even, like, doing that. I just think that's so interesting because I was taught that your signature is made out of cursive letters. So, like, like what you're... No, I am. Olivia: Print. Well, who cares? But you're not even doing cursive letters, you're doing cursive squiggles. Whatever that is. Andrea: Well, yeah, but that's still cursive letters, because my first one is an A, that's a cursive A, and then I do a cursive P with two, like, so it's cursive, but there's no, like, yeah. Olivia: I feel like that's just stylistic. I don't even know if you could say that's cursive. Andrea: See, I had like a signature writing part of school and like they were like, you have to do it cursive. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, constantly. Olivia: Did you practice your signature a lot when you were young? Yeah, me too. But my maiden name was a beast of a name. So I never wanted to spell it all out anyways. So it was always just gonna be the first letter and like a line. Andrea: That's true. Yeah. still haven't totally nailed down my married last name on my signature. It is much more of a squiggly bullshit now than it ever was. Olivia: Mmm. The cursive is leaving you. Andrea: is, it is, ⁓ it's ⁓ thought that I sit on all the time is the fact that people don't know cursive and can't read cursive anymore. Olivia: That's so funny. Yeah. Are you like, bothered by it? Against it? Think it's like weird? Funny? Andrea: I don't even think I have a side. I think it's just weird. Olivia: Yeah. Yeah, I think it's just funny. It just really, it really speaks to like, all the things we think are important to teach our kids or like learn that become like so obsolete so quickly. Andrea: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I even think like it's right. And the way that math is taught now is different than the way math was taught for us, or at least for me is taught very different. And I think I would learn better with the way that math is taught now than it was for me. Olivia: Like typing. Like... Okay. Yeah. Andrea: But at the same time, I'm like, it's so weird how these things are evolving and changing. What is happening? Olivia: Yeah, that's fair. That's very fair. The only like weird thing that's been on my mind, which is ⁓ obviously off topic, ⁓ have you ever met a single person that likes to be sung happy birthday? Andrea: Mm-hmm. I love it. That's the point. One person. I met one person. Olivia: too. Andrea: It's a client. Olivia: Who? Andrea: Mm-hmm. Olivia: How do you know that they like being sung Happy Birthday? Andrea: ⁓ because I say it every year. Like, can't, like, literally, I can't wait for my birthday for people to sing to me. Olivia: I think that's psychotic. I can say that because that person is not my client. I've never met a single person that likes being sung Happy Birthday. Do you like it? What do mean in your real life? In your fake life? Andrea: You In my real life, no. Mm-mm, mm-mm. I mean, outside of my therapist life. as a therapist. Like any of my friends, my fam, like people that I know in my real life. Olivia: That was so... You're killing me tonight. can't, I can't not roast you. Come on. Andrea: my non-therapist life, I don't know anyone that likes it. No, it makes me cringe. Olivia: I hate it. Andrea: I was also the kid that my family always took me to Red Robin and I had to stand on the booth while they sang Happy Birthday throughout the whole restaurant. Trauma! That was really loud, sorry. Olivia: ⁓ no, absolutely. I'm going to add to that. Red Robin fries are the worst thing that's ever happened to potatoes. Andrea: Have you always thought that? Huh. Olivia: Yes, absolutely. Those fries are ⁓ a mushy, God-forbidden mess. Andrea: Okay, that's a hot take. I feel like they have gotten significantly worse over the years. Olivia: I have not been to a Red Robin in like, easily over a decade. Yeah. Andrea: Really? Interesting. Huh. I feel like in high school they were the bee's knees and we went, we went not long ago. Yeah. So good. And then we went a couple, maybe it was like two years ago because we got a coupon or something. And I was like, Olivia: Yeah. ⁓ my gosh, you get the shake, you get the like refill shake thing. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Hmm Andrea: Yes, I use coupons. Don't touch me. Olivia: If you're using a coupon for Red Robin, then you know the high schoolers are not gonna be there. Andrea: was the place back in the day. Olivia: No, I absolutely hear you. Like, our generation, anytime I went to Rab-Rabin with my family, there was like so many kids my age there. 100%. Yeah. Andrea: Yeah. Totally, we went for homecoming, we went for dances, yeah, it was the shit, but. Yes, yeah, yeah, totally, oh my gosh, but they've turned into crap. Olivia: Yeah, and they had like the little arcade, at least the one that, yeah, Yeah. ⁓ Well, the fries were always garbage. Garbage. I love fries. I love french fries. I love potatoes in every freaking form. single form. ⁓ that one. Cannot it. Andrea: Yes, same. So what is the superior fry? Olivia: ⁓ like the best fry? Depends what the fry is for. I'm sorry if you want to... fuck you. Okay, if I want to fry with a drink or with a milkshake, McDonald's. If I want a fry, just a fry, no sauce, no dipping, nothing, I want either Five Guys fries or Dick's Drive-In fries. Andrea: Eating? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ dicks drive in fries. Mm. Mm, mm, mm. Olivia: Right, they don't need a single thing. If I want fries to dip, I want Burger Master fries our tartar sauce. I know I love my ranch. I know I'm total white chick at heart, but they make their own tartar sauce. It's really good. Yeah. So that's why I say like there's provisos, because I just want fries. That's what sounds good. Those are the best. But if I want like fries and a drink, the salt of the McDonald's fries, especially if get a milkshake, because I'm a dipper. ⁓ Andrea: Gosh. Ugh. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Olivia: The salt and the crispiness of the McDonald fry is perfect for the pop, but especially a milkshake. Andrea: Yeah. I probably would agree with that ranking. for some context ⁓ everyone, Dix is a local to Washington burger joint. ⁓ Master is too. Yep, I was gonna add that one too. you know, I think though what that says is that maybe like local burger joints make the best fries. ⁓ for, ⁓ know, for the type of fry setting that apparently you want. I'm gonna set it to. ⁓ Olivia: Isn't Berk- isn't Burger Master too? Yes. Andrea: milkshake setting today. Olivia: and root beer. Andrea: actually got McDonald's on the way home from a wedding last weekend because I was like starving and got a Sprite a double cheeseburger and fries because that's my thing like that's all I get and I brought it home to eat it guess who ate all my fries Olivia: your beloved spouse. Andrea: Yes, I didn't even notice by the time I had finished my burger all the fries Olivia: I would have sued. I would have actually sued. Andrea: This man owes me fries. Olivia: ⁓ he owes you two. It's fries with interest. Andrea: That's yeah. Always the tax. Olivia: Yeah. so I'm going back to the happy birthday thing. Have you seen that trend? No, that's fine. This episode has absolutely no flow. So we make our own. Back to the happy birthday thing. Have you seen that trend where it's like, Oh, I realized that like, you're not supposed to like video the person's birthday. Who's getting like sung happy birthday. The person whose birthday it is is supposed to like record the people singing happy birthday. Andrea: Yes, ⁓ yes. Olivia: So it's like their point of view of like all of their loved ones or whoever is there singing them happy birthday that year or whatever. Instead of how it's typically done where like, for instance, like my daughter's birthday, I'm not taking a video of her. Andrea: Okay. Mm-hmm. Olivia: for her while we're singing Happy Birthday, it would be like taking a video of all of us singing her Happy Birthday. Andrea: Why does that break my brain a little bit? Olivia: It's a little trippy and weird. Yeah. Um, still doesn't really make me want to have people sing happy birthday to me. But, but if your kid wants to be sung happy birthday or is into it, or that's like the family thing or whatever, I think that is kind of like a cuter way instead of like just taking a video of the kid, like having it be a little bit more of a pan because like, like not all of those family members will be around for that kiddo's life, right? Andrea: Mm-hmm. Makes sense. makes a lot more sense. Olivia: Like have those videos. Of course, the irony is my daughter absolutely hates being so happy birthday to. We've only done it for her first birthday and she thought it was actually like really cute and had this like big cheesy like smile at the end. It's like a perfect first birthday picture. And then ever since then, she's been like, which is fine. Like if she doesn't want it, I'm not going to force it. And that's what's funny about this, next generation. There's so many kids I know their birthday parties because I've been to a lot now. Andrea: Mm-hmm. Ugh. Yeah. Yeah. Olivia: All the kids are like, don't sing me happy birthday. And we're like, okay. Andrea: Great. I don't even really like singing it. I will sing it in a voice memo to my best friends, but you will get this year if you didn't get one last year because it is funny. And I sing it like Marilyn Monroe every single time. And it is the best thing on the planet. Olivia: Has our friendship just been promoted this year? Is that why I suddenly get it now? Andrea: Did I not, wait, are you sure I've never sent that? Olivia: No. Andrea: ⁓ I guess so. Olivia: You just send me love letters. Andrea: Yeah, well we're officially married now. We have a contract, so... Olivia: Yeah, but we have like no pictures together. Andrea: I know. Olivia: It's kind of like super sad. It's also, note, the definition of an ADHD friendship ⁓ no pictures together. ⁓ Andrea: Mm-hmm. Yeah, for real. have, where'd you go? We have one. And do you remember when we were first building our website, I put it as like the front photo on our website as just a placeholder. So I was like, I was cleaning for reference, this is a photo of us drinking margaritas. Probably not good to put on a website for therapists. But was like cleaning out our website recently and I was like. Olivia: It's bad. Whoa. I'm unfocused. ⁓ there we go. Yes, I do remember that. Andrea: ⁓ it's still in the like files, like the website files in there. like, I should probably remove that. Not like anybody can see it, but like, okay. Olivia: think that's like the difficulty I had with your birthday in December. I was like, ⁓ like posted like picture of us and like my story. I literally could not even find that one photo. And I was like, we don't have any other pictures together. I mean, other than our like branding photos. I'm like, I refuse to use a branding photo. ⁓ even find the one photo because I'm pretty sure it was you that had it. And I somehow like don't have it saved somewhere. Andrea: Hahaha Yeah. Yeah. Olivia: I mean, I guess they could really dig for it, but couldn't even find it. And I was like, wow. Andrea: Do you need me to send it to you again? Olivia: Are we even friends? We even have any pictures together. Put it on the bucket list! Put it on the bucket list! Andrea: And we say every time I'll put it on the list and every time we get together when I'm in town I'm like, all right, we got to take a picture when we go out for drinks or dinner And do we? Clearly not Olivia: I also think, okay, this isn't part of it, we'll need to end with this because we'll keep going. When we see each other... Andrea: I Olivia: We like, I think both of us are like, ⁓ yeah, like chill. We can wear whatever, look like whatever, just show up how we want, which is usually the last way we'd want to show up to take a picture. Andrea: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Olivia: So that's probably part of it, is that like you've just gotten off a plane and I'm I'm at the end of the day and my hair's up and you know what mean? Like, and I'm like, I don't really think about like, right, let's take pictures. Like, no, that's ⁓ Andrea: Yep. And I'm usually like sitting on the floor in my pajamas like with your dogs while you're playing violent video games. Olivia: Yeah. Perfect time to take a picture. Andrea: So. Honestly friendship goals that is like peak friendship like hang out to me because it's like Right. It's just like being present. You don't even have to talk but just like be that it's great. It's the highly Olivia: Yes. ⁓ it is to me too. Thousand percent. Right. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. And that's why like, that's why I think it's the definition of an ADHD friendship is that you like, don't end up having any pictures together because you're like so unmasked and just like so yourself that you don't think about documenting it or like doing anything more formal. Yeah. Andrea: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, so find yourself a friend that you don't take pictures with but then get sad that you don't take pictures with them. Olivia: Literally my other two best friends every time they'll leave and I'll be like son of a- Andrea: Yep. Yep. Yeah. only reason my best friend and I, ⁓ she came up to visit in January, the only reason we have a photo together is because her boyfriend came with her and he took a picture of us on a hike. And that was like, I think that was just about the only photos we took together on that trip. Olivia: That's hilarious. ⁓ friendship is fun, isn't it? Yeah. Andrea: So, yeah, friendship, truly, truly, clearly, and we have lots of it, so. Olivia: Absolutely. So shout out to you to figure out what in the world the name of this Rabbit Trail episode is going to be other than just Rabbit Trail 3000. Andrea: Amazing! Roast, the roast of Olivia: cursive? question mark Andrea: What even is this? What do I do with my hands? Olivia: Happy birthday? running? Andrea: It's not even either of ours ⁓ my we have maybe I'll just do the first letter of each one of those things all together ⁓ Olivia: No, nobody's gonna get that. Andrea: I tried. Anyways, thank you all for coming along with us on another bumpy rabbit trail ride. It's been so fun just getting to like actually talk to you today and not talk about work. So we'll make this a date weekly. Olivia: Yeah, you tried. be our silly selves. What's better, you know? Except... no pictures, though. Andrea: All right, dang it. Well, please don't forget everyone to like, follow, subscribe for more of our unhinged episodes. You can always choose to listen to just these if you prefer, or you can listen to the ones more about our field of counseling and therapy and all things above. But we will see you in the next episode. Olivia: Bye y'all. Andrea: Bye!