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Good evening, everybody. Welcome to targeting Winners.
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Offseason has begun. We are this is the Coaching
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carousel episode. And today we are joined once
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again by the great Mark from out here at coach's hot seat in
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sunny California. How you doing today Mark?
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Great. Thanks for having me.
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Nice Darren, still cold up there.
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Yesterday we broke a 20 day streak of not having our high
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temperature reach freezing. We hit like 35 yesterday so the
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streak is over. Yeah, it's supposed to be like
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40 next week, so shorts and T-shirt weather upcoming so.
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There we go, and Pete sunny Mexico.
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Today 86° in sunny Mexico so all is good down here.
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Excited to be here with all ya. I believe winter is over down
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here in Florida as well. I think it was like it's in the
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70s today. So enough making fun of Darren
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because I know it's going to be making fun of me in Florida
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State. The coaches, coaches hiring up.
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I don't know, Mark, before we get going, how would you
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describe the offseason, the coaching carousel from 2025
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compared to other years in recent history here?
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It's been chaotic a really, you know, very active and a lot, you
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know, a lot of surprises, I think.
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Yeah. Like 3333 changes in all couple
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years ago there were 32. We haven't come anywhere close
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to those two numbers in a long, long time.
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And you know the reasons like, you know, coach leaving for a
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conference rival towards the end of the regular season besides
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poor performance. And what, 1 Coach gets fired for
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not only keeping alcohol in his desk but actually drinking it on
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the job supposedly. And everybody's favorite a, a
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coach heading over to a staffer's apartment and
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threatening them with silverware.
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So, I mean, the reasons are vast.
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But yeah, 33 is, is just insane. Tim, are you emotionally set to
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get into Mark's rankings? Well, we're going to be, I'm
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sure, top of the list and something this year.
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Yeah, I'm ready for it. I'm not drinking today.
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Say one thing before Mark gets going and depresses Tim.
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There are multiple links in the description of the live stream
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tonight. 1 is to coacheshotseat.com, Mark's
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website. Sign up, it's free.
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He's he's doing a series right now, I believe of his thoughts
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on all the new coaching hires. So sign up for that.
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Not only can you get caught up by going back to his blog, but
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you'll get his weekly emails on that also.
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He's got a podcast out, I think, what, two or three, three
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episodes so far out there so far.
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Yeah. And we've got 2 links there, one
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if you listen on Spotify, one if you listen on Apple, Last week's
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pretty interesting. How important is December in
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determining these coaches future?
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So an interesting listen there. So all right, Mark, we've had
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John multiple times. We always appreciate you making
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time for us. And now as an added bonus for
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Pete and myself, you get to start Tim off in February.
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Potential mental breakdown. So please mark your rankings.
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End of the seat. Who's got the hottest seat in
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America and why? Well, you know, Tim, I'm sorry,
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but it's Mike Norvell at Florida State.
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Yeah, just. And it does just does not look
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to be getting any better. You know, you kind of hope in
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the in the offseason, particularly in this era, that
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it would get better. And the way it started out was
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with Gus Malzahn, the offensive coordinator, retiring very
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suddenly. And so it appears that Mike
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Norvell will will be back calling plays next year.
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He had one, one year off. This is just not a good
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situation. The, you know, the the, the
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boosters are upset and probably rightfully so.
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They were, you know, they were, they, they gave input into the
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stadium reconfiguration and upgrade and that was ignored.
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They gave input on the coach and that was ignored.
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And so they've stopped writing checks.
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And so now if you're trying to buy out and Norvelt's got a
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pretty sizable buy out, you really can't do it.
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So you're sort of stuck with them for a while and stuck with
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the athletic director for a while.
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So the guy who created the mess will be there and the guy who is
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executing the mess will be there for the foreseeable future.
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It just isn't clicking at, you know, I did.
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He went heavily into the portal one year and was very successful
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with it. You know, that was the year that
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they were bumped out of the playoffs.
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And since then it's just all falling apart.
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It is considered, it's Norel's continued to rely on the portal
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pretty heavily. What you lose when you're doing
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that is you lose the culture. You know, these guys are coming
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in and they're not Seminoles. They don't, they don't, they
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don't know about this and they don't know about the spear.
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And there's a horse galloping around the stadium.
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Why? And why are people making that
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noise? They're they're, they're really
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just not into it. They're hired hands and they
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don't really care. And that doesn't seem to be
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something that the coaching staff is focused on.
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They are focused on. They did recognize that there
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were cultural issues and they were focused on, you know, we're
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A-Team and we got to play together.
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But they missed the part about the school.
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And with a really rich culture that Florida State has, that's a
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big mess. Yeah, I thought I saw, I, I,
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I've turned a lot of the, the YouTube channels and the, the
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Twitter accounts off, right, Because it's just been so
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negative. I didn't want to deal with it,
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but I thought they did hire a general manager.
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They did. I mean, you think that'll help?
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I mean, I mean, to take as much out of it, of it out of the
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hands of the athletic director, I think is a good idea.
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Yeah, I, I think most of the general managers are, are
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working on talent evaluation and you're working with the players
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to make sure that they stick around after they're, you know,
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after the, after the one year that they've got an nil.
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So we'll see what that does that that that could help.
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But I, you know, I just, it just seems to be, they just don't
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seem to be connecting on a, you know, on a really disturbing
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level. Like it just isn't, it just
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isn't, it just isn't happening. And Norvell seems to be lost as
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to what to do. He doesn't seem to know.
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So I think this is probably too big of a job for him.
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He probably needs to go back to the, you know, the type of
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school that he came from and, and he was successful at
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Memphis, He was successful at other places, but this, this is
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too big of a stage, I think. Well, at least they'll have the
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same offensive coordinator as last year, so that.
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Oh, wait, no. Oh, he retired.
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Yeah. Great.
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Lovely. At the last minute.
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Yeah, what's he probably just saw the running on the wall
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maybe. I don't think he liked the
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quarterback. I don't I don't like the
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quarterback they got either. I mean, I would just like to
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they have some kid on the bench. I have to forget his name, but
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obviously, but all the the players or the the fans or
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whatever seem to like this kid Searcy I think his name is, or
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Seeley #11 I believe is his number one.
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So Darren, you can look that up for me.
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I'm. Not looking that up.
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For you, I'm not looking that up either.
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I'm I've totally detached from FSU for the last couple of
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months, but I like to see them recruit a guy and give them the
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give them the reins, recruit them coach them because I mean
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he he can coach. I mean, he's not like he's
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totally brain dead out there. I mean, yeah.
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No, he's good. He's good with X's and O's, you
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know, and, and it's a lot to ask somebody to call the plays in to
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be the head coach. And a lot of the newer guys like
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to do that. And it just doesn't work
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because, you know, you need somebody to sort of be, you
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know, managing the whole game. And when they're calling the
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plays, they, they tend to focus on one side of the ball.
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They don't focus on both and, and you see it over and over and
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over again there. There's the very rare exception
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to that. So, you know, I, I, I don't
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know, I think Gus Malzahn was burned out anyway.
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And when he saw what he had, I don't think he saw he didn't
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have exactly what he wanted. And he just thought, I, you
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know, I don't want to keep pushing a boulder, a pill.
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I'm 60 something years old and I I can go play with my
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grandchildren. Right, they might block better
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than Florida State, who knows? So, Well, before it gets too
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depressing, let's just move on to some, you know, something
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else before I start to cry here, Darren, you got something you
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want to ask Mark? Well, I I was going to let Pete
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bring up a coach #2 on Mark's rankings.
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But before we go into that, little breaking news just came
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by on the phone. Trinidad Chambliss will be
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allowed to play in 2026. So just your love or hate for
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Ole Miss accordingly, that just came down a couple minutes ago.
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So he won his day in court. He will be the Ole Miss starting
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quarterback in 2026. He.
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Well, I think Mark, I think your next team that you're looking at
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is Baylor. If I'm incorrect toy is that is
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that accurate? That's correct.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Let's look into that. Item number 2 is Dave Aranda at
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Baylor. Dave, really, he got sort of a
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reprieve when his boss got fired.
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And so, yeah, because I think he would have been gone last year.
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And you know, this this is another situation that just
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doesn't look to be getting any better, unfortunately.
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I, I think Dave Aranda is a, a really good defensive
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coordinator, but that the head coaching position is just not
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translating. So he got a reprieve for one
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more year. I think they're already having
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back channel conversations with, with some, with other coaches to
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see who might be able to, to step into Baylor.
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And you know, there are some, there is one big name that is
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looking at that job right now. So we'll, we'll see what happens
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during the year and, and I, I would expect that that one will
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open up. Yeah, I agree.
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I actually have him as my number one.
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I mean, I think, you know, for him, I think where he is, I
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think it's challenging that that team seems to be regressing.
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It's just not, it's not doing what I think that team is
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capable of, of, of, of doing and it it just does not seem to be
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pressing the right, the right direction.
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So I agree with that. I think he would have been gone
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before this year and I I do not think he'll survive the season
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this year, but we'll we'll see. We'll see how that goes.
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But if it does not start well, I don't think it's going to make
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it halfway through the season. Yeah, I.
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Absolutely agree. I was looking at list 3 through
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5. Pete just talking about guys who
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don't think is five of the year. I'm surprised all three of these
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guys survived 2025. But let's start with #3 Mike
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Locksley of the Maryland Terrapins.
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How did this guy not lose his job last season?
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I, you know, it comes down to money and I don't think they had
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the money to buy him out. And so they decided that, you
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know, the, the devil you know is better than the one that you
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don't know. And so they're investing the
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money that they do have into the program.
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And we'll see. There's a couple of these that
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are doing that, a couple, a couple of the, the coaches that
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are in trouble are are, you know, the programs have said
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we're going to invest in the we're going to invest in the
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players, we'll invest in the NIL and we'll, we'll see what
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happens. So that this is the first one of
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those where we're we're seeing that and we'll have to wait for
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the season to start. I I don't I don't see anything
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great happening here either. Now with with with Mike and then
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so Mike's number 2 on my list, the big tennis where I focus a
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lot of my efforts through the year.
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It feels like they've completely plateaued it.
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It seems like wash, rinse, repeat.
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It's the same thing over and over again.
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Seven and five. It doesn't matter.
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They have skilled players and it does not seem to matter.
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It's the same result over and over again.
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He can't get them over the hill. Nothing changes.
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Signature wins do not exist and it just doesn't feel like it's
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going to change. So I don't know where that
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program goes with him and I, I think they're frustrated with
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him, but I agree. I, I think it's a money thing
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right now and I think they need to figure out what they're going
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to do with, with Mike, but I don't think that program can
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move forward with, with him. So something's got to happen.
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Do you want to stay on the Big 10 or do you want to move to a
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different different conference boys, how do you want to go
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let's. Let's look at #4 because after
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this, not going to have meltdown against Texas A and MI saw this
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guy was going to be gone Sunday morning.
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But I have a feeling there's 25,000,000 reasons why he's
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still getting another shot this year.
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Shane Beamer, South Carolina. How much trouble was he in after
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that A&M meltdown? About 30 to 3:00 at halftime and
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then losing 31 to 30 or something like that, I mean.
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He was, he was, he was. I saw him interviewed, you know,
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going into the locker room and, you know, the, he was, he was
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roostering there a little bit about how well they were doing.
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And then the next thing you do, it just collapsed.
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So, you know, I, I know South Carolina fans are, are
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frustrated with Shane. You know, I think one of his big
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mistakes was the hiring of Mr. Shula and he, he, you know, he
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let him go. And I, I think that that, you
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know, he may have justified staying another year because he
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recognized he had made a mistake and he let him go.
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But, you know, he goes through assistance and coordinators
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pretty quickly. So I don't know that it's that
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great of a place to work under him.
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You know, it just seems like the, IT just seems like there's
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always a change at defensive coordinator and, you know,
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defensive line coach and, you know all, you know, big
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turnovers of assistance every single year.
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So we'll have to, you know, we'll have to see.
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He was somebody who'd not, you know, not never been a head
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coach before, not really been a coordinator before.
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So it was a big leap for him to take on this job.
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And it looked good. One year so far.
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Yeah, the problem for Shane, right?
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I mean, sure, the SEC is tough, but we have seen South Carolina
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be competitive in the FCC and and they can be.
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So the fact that they're not right is is just damning on him.
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And the fact that he's turning through coordinators, there's no
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consistency. I mean, that that clearly points
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to him. And you've seen teams like Texas
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and Oklahoma, you know, kind of fully embed themselves in the
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league. And South Carolina seems to be
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drifting away, right? And that's that's an issue.
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That's certainly an issue for, you know, obviously the program
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as a whole. So I mean, clearly something
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needs to be done. He's a guy.
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I cannot, I cannot imagine him surviving this year.
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I don't know what he could. Do to that, no, I I don't, I
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don't. That was my, just as an aside,
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that was my first SEC game was a South Carolina home game.
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And so I, you know, a little affinity for them because of
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that. And you know, it's sad to see.
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It is, it is, I mean, Speaking of sad to see.
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So we'll shift back to the Big 10 because this is this is
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somebody I've been beating up now for a.
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Couple. Years ever since you've been on
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the show. In a team that I just, I mean,
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Wisconsin, right? This is a team that has a very
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strong historical record of how they play and, and, and just
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their whole culture and, and, and Luke came in and just
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basically set it on fire and threw it in the dumpster.
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And I don't know what he's doing there, but that is not Wisconsin
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football and it is not working. And I have absolutely no idea
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how he's still there other than money.
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And I mean, that's got to change because that is that that they
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are he has done a horrible job just decimating a program that
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has been historically strong program in the big town.
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You know, it's, it's funny when you look at the assistants and
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you look at the because I think the assistants have a lot of say
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over whether the coach does well or not the program does well or
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not well. His assistants from Cincinnati
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are mostly at Notre Dame. They're not at Wisconsin.
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They didn't come with him. They went to they went with
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Marcus within his, his DC at Cincinnati.
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And so he started over. He started with Alex Grinch and
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I, you know, on his staff and I that was a bad sign right there.
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And it just like you said, it's just never the culture is not
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the Wisconsin culture. It's not the Wisconsin program.
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This is a program that has said we're going to invest in the
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program. So we'll see what that produces,
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but I, I think that seat could be really hot if they've
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invested in the program and nothing changes.
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And I don't think anything's going to change.
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I, yeah, I don't, yeah. Unless, unless they they it
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would have to be a complete 180 for Luke.
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You think they could go trade maybe Florida State nor avail
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for fickle and do a? There you go.
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Change a scenery trade. Maybe that's all they need, a
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change of scenery. It could not hurt, honestly.
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I just don't get like Mark had mentioned a couple times, you
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hear all these programs that say, oh, we're keeping our
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coach, we're going to invest more money in the program.
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So my first question is why didn't you just invest more
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money in the program, you know, along with hiring this coach and
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then you would save yourself the embarrassment from from hiring
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this guy. But you know, one of the things
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we talked about, Tim, I'm, I'm going to ask one question and I
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think you're, you're emotionally recovered from the start of the
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show and then I'll let you go. But I got, I got some questions
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from the mailbox. So one of the things I think as
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fans we all hear about is these insane buyout amounts.
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James Franklin, 49 million Jimbo Fisher, 75,000,000 How do these
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numbers even come to be? I mean, I can get let the
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coaches and their agents love these numbers, but what, what's
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the what's the reasoning behind this?
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Because it just seems ridiculous like you could be doing so many
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other things with that money. How do these numbers even come
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about? Well, you really have you have
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one agent who's controlling a lot of the a lot of these
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coaches and he has he has leverage and he uses that
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leverage to his advantage to negotiate some some of these
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ridiculous contracts. Yeah.
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And some of them, you know, the athletic directors are just, you
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know, rolling over. There's a couple places where
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the a DS are rolling over. This really started, you know,
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it goes back to the tarmac ING this at this level.
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Mike Bone a couple years ago was charged with hiring a football
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coach at USC. And the what he heard over and
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over again was you fired a guy on the tarmac.
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Why would I want to go there? And so that was used as leverage
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to start the insane buyouts. And since that contract with
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that buyout, they've gone nowhere but up.
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So we know who to blame. So.
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Yes. I mean, yeah, it is hard to feel
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even if these coaches do get fired, it is hard to feel bad
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for them because they still keep getting paid.
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I mean, if I ever get fired, I'm I'm not getting any more checks.
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If we can go back to the Big 10 for a second.
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I had a buddy at work. I guess we'll call this a phone,
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a friend question. He's a fan of Iowa and I guess
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he's tired of Kurt Ferentz. He would like to know how much
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longer do you see him staying there and is he going to leave
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anytime soon? I guess he wants them gone for
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some reason so. Yeah, that's an interesting 1.
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So I, you know, I've heard like for the last few years that this
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was going to be his last year. And now it's sort of laughable.
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You hear, you know, it's going to be his last year and I, you
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know, I don't believe it. Now.
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I think at some point somebody's going to have to pull him aside
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and say, look, we're, we, we haven't, you know, a nice cushy
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office for you and the chancellor's office and you can
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go raise money and this guy's taking over and it'll probably
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be an ugly and, but he's made it that way.
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You know, it's, you know, there's a time to step aside.
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It's probably his, his time. And they can let him go out on,
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you know, with a, a great send off and, and, you know, put a
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statue of him up and like quad and have a nice dinner for him
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and give him a gold watch and pat him on the back.
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But I, I don't think he's gonna go that way.
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I think they're going to have to push him out.
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Oh, yeah, That's what John Gruden says.
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There's two types of football coaches, those who who have been
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fired and those who haven't been fired yet.
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So Bobby Bowden was fired. I mean, he even said that to the
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end. They said they would ask him
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after you retired. He'd be like, no, I did not
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retire, I was fired. So, you know, he said that.
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So if he can get fired, anybody can get fired.
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So yeah, all these guys are getting fired eventually, except
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for Nick Saban. He'll just leave.
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But I guess he'd be the exception.
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He he left at the right time. It was.
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That was it. He did.
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Well. It's got to do with the nil
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stuff. He was like, I'm out, yeah.
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This is not. You can't just, you know, do the
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whole go to school, get grades and be ready for the NFL stuff
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anymore. And now they want all the money.
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So that's level the playing field, if you will.
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So Darren, you got another one coming up?
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I asked one. Pete's got a couple that that
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he's got lined up. I do, yeah.
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Let me circle back to the Big 10 for a minute.
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So I'm a Wolverine. So I mean, the Willingham hire
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is really interesting to me. I, I personally, I think it's a
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really good one. I think he's a culture guy.
23:12
I think he's a repair the damage guy.
23:15
So I think for me, I, I don't think there's a lot of debate
23:18
over that one. I don't think he's a shoot for
23:20
the moon guy, right? He's a fix it.
23:23
But the one more interesting to me than the Michigan thinks, I
23:26
think that's pretty clear what he's there to do is the Pat
23:29
Fitzgerald hire at Michigan. To me, that is way more
23:33
interesting of where that thing goes.
23:36
And is he somebody who can function in this whole new NIL
23:41
world or can he not? You know, that intrigues me
23:45
'cause you know, I'm, I think Kyle can do just fine at
23:48
Michigan, but I'm not sure what Pat can do at Michigan State.
23:53
I'm really just curious about curious about your perspective
23:55
actually on both guys, but even more so, Pat.
23:58
So he had let me lay right down, 'cause I I actually wrote
24:02
something down about this. He had a defensive coordinator
24:05
when he was at Northwestern, a guy, the guy had been there
24:08
forever. And it's really, you know, he's,
24:11
he's a savant with the with defense.
24:14
And the moment that guy left, Northwestern started to decline.
24:24
And so I, you know, that's what Pat Fitzgerald's reputation and
24:29
his and his everything he's built on was the Northwestern
24:32
defense. Well, he had a really good
24:34
defensive coordinator. He'd been there for, you know,
24:36
50 years or something. And, you know, it built up the
24:39
program, built up the Northwestern way.
24:41
And, you know, then he had Pat there who really got to back
24:45
that up and probably did a couple things to make it, you
24:48
know, help him be successful, even more successful at it.
24:52
I don't see that guy at Michigan State.
24:54
And so my question is, who's going to, who's going to run the
24:59
defense? Is the guy going to be as as
25:02
good as as the, the guy that he had at, at at at Northwestern?
25:08
Because that's that's when it fell apart.
25:11
So you're going up to Michigan State.
25:13
They had Mel Tucker. That was a disaster that fell
25:17
apart. They brought in Jonathan Smith.
25:20
And listen, if you're willing to wait, yeah, probably it would
25:23
have taken four to five years, but Jonathan Smith would get you
25:26
there. They preached that for two
25:28
years. They did not have the patience.
25:30
I preached that for two years. Give the man time, right?
25:34
They would not do so. So yeah.
25:36
No, they threw him out, and now you've got Pat Fitzgerald, so
25:41
you're going to have two big buyouts and you and you and
25:48
you've killed the you've really killed everything 'cause, you
25:51
know, if I'm a kid and I'm in high school, do I go?
25:54
Let me see. Mel Tucker.
25:55
Jonathan Smith. I don't think so.
25:59
Yeah, I don't think. I think, I think they fired a
26:02
better coach to go to a lesser coach is my, is my opinion on
26:06
that. And as a high school recruit, I
26:08
would look at it that way. Like that place is just a
26:11
cluster and do I really want to go there 'cause this guy will
26:14
probably be out in two years too?
26:16
Yeah, yeah, I. Completely agree.
26:20
And also, if you're a parent of a kid who's considering a school
26:22
in that area, I mean, yeah, he was found to have no knowledge
26:25
of everything that was going on at Northwestern that led to his
26:28
dismissal. And I mean, his job is to be in
26:31
charge and know everything that's going on.
26:33
Are you comfortable sending your child to go and pay for a guy
26:38
who was apparently unaware of a lot of illegal things going on
26:42
in his program? So yeah, this has got train
26:46
wreck written all over it. I agree with you and Pete
26:49
completely. This is not going to end well.
26:52
Yeah, I'm not sure that program is recoverable anytime soon.
26:56
I think there's been so much damage done there that they need
27:00
to have complete gutting and their needs, time, time needs to
27:03
go before that program's recoverable.
27:06
They have money, but there's been a lot of damage done there.
27:11
You know, the athletic director who hired Jonathan Smith was not
27:13
the guy who fired him. And so when that athletic
27:15
director change came in, you know, a DS seem to like to hire
27:19
their own guy. The writing was kind of on the
27:21
wall. But what they really needed to
27:23
lay out was like, this is the stuff that went on with Mel
27:26
Tucker, and this is what we're going to do to fix it.
27:28
And this is the timeline. And nobody ever did that.
27:31
Instead, they started talking about how Jonathan Smith didn't
27:34
fit and he needs to go. And you know, I mean, it was, it
27:38
was like it was the writing was on the wall from the middle of
27:40
the first year. Like right out of the gate,
27:42
immediately they were on that. Like how is this going to work
27:45
right? We did have a question from a
27:50
YouTube post. You want me to go knock that one
27:53
out there, Darren, Should I go ahead?
27:55
Yeah, the hardline question. Yeah, we had one from leave.
27:58
His name is Crack Monster. You want us to know what's your
28:02
opinion of Brian Hartline at USF and where would you rank his
28:06
hiring in the Group of Five? So I think that's a pretty good
28:11
hire for them. You know, he's, he's coming in
28:15
behind somebody who's obviously very successful.
28:17
And I would, I would give that a good.
28:22
You know, it's always hard to say when somebody's a
28:25
coordinator and they're going to become a head coach because you
28:27
really don't have any, you don't have any, you know, kind of
28:30
track record there. You can kind of look what they
28:33
did as the coordinator and you, you kind of extrapolate from
28:37
there. But it's different when they're
28:38
sitting on, they're sitting in charge of the entire program.
28:44
So I, you know, I would give him, I wouldn't start after him
28:49
next year, you know, and I wouldn't even start on him the
28:53
year after. If, if, if things aren't
28:56
shooting right out of the gate, I'd give him to at least year 3
28:59
before you assess whether that was a good hire or not.
29:03
He's got to figure out what it means to be a head coach.
29:09
Yeah, he pulled a lot of those. Did he pull a lot of those Ohio
29:12
State receivers from that area of the country, South Florida,
29:15
So. I think he did, yeah.
29:17
At. The same point.
29:17
He should do OK. Well, even no matter where
29:19
they're from, he had Injigba Harrison, he had three or four
29:25
like awesome ones and obviously the receivers that he had this
29:28
year. So it's interesting that well,
29:31
not interesting at all. Not surprising that someone from
29:33
Tampa would go by the name crack monster.
29:35
Just want to point that out. That's all the Florida Man
29:40
stories, like 80% of them come from Tampa, OK?
29:44
Not they're, they're the meth up here in Jacksonville.
29:47
We're like the Waffle House. I I understand.
29:50
But truck running with the truck nuts, that's more, more
29:53
hillbillies up in Jacksonville, you know, alligators, Waffle
29:57
House violence, everything else is mostly Tampa.
29:59
So and all the pythons are down in Miami.
30:02
That's that's where it all, most of the Florida Man stuff goes.
30:05
So move on, Darren. I got one.
30:09
I got one for you, Mark, actually.
30:11
So one of my favorite whipping guys for for years has been
30:14
James Franklin, right? James Franklin was is an
30:17
excellent recruiter, excellent recruiter, right?
30:20
People seem to love the play for the guy, but his tactical stuff
30:24
on the sideline, he seems to shoot himself in the foot
30:28
randomly at the worst time possible.
30:30
That said, Virginia Tech hiring him is an absolute Grand Slam
30:36
for them. I can say nothing bad about that
30:39
hire other than to me that is an ACC changing hire.
30:44
I'm curious about your perspective on that.
30:47
I thought it was the best hire of the cycle, I really did.
30:50
I thought you could not have found a better fit.
30:54
He, if you look at the, at Frank Beamer's record, I pulled up
30:58
Frank Beamer's record and I pulled up James Franklin's
31:02
record, they're almost identical.
31:04
I think Franklin has actually won a little bit more higher, a
31:07
little bit of a higher winning percentage.
31:10
But you know, you look at every, you look at the, the offense,
31:12
you look at the defense, you look at it, you know, you start
31:14
to look at the whole thing, the way that he runs, runs the
31:16
program, he's Frank Beamer. So if you're a Virginia Tech,
31:21
you got your guy. You, you got the perfect guy.
31:26
Could not agree more. Yeah, I think we talked.
31:28
About that before on the show and I think we were all in
31:30
agreement and even that all the coaching positions hadn't been
31:33
filled. But I thought there's no hire
31:35
that's going to be better than this.
31:36
I mean, he knows that area. He like he said he recruits
31:40
great that he's super familiar with that area of the country
31:42
and and the one knock about him, well, he can't be the top ten
31:46
team. I don't know if anybody's looked
31:47
at the ACC outside of Miami. We don't do that here.
31:51
No, you guys do not do top ten in the ACC, so I see no reason
31:57
for. I mean, I haven't looked at
31:58
their schedule. I don't even know if Miami's on
32:00
it. I don't think I'll look it up.
32:04
When I looked the record against the top 10, Beamer and Franklin
32:10
were almost identical. It was, it was really, I mean,
32:13
it was everything. And I thought, wow, if you know,
32:17
they love Frank Beamer for good reason, you know, he did a lot
32:20
to them and he ran a really great program and was really
32:23
classy. And that's James Franklin's.
32:26
You know, really, if you're an opponent of James Franklin,
32:29
you're you're playing against him.
32:30
He's classy. He's you know, he's a classy
32:32
guy. So he's, that was a really good
32:36
hire. And, and I'll go, you know, I'll
32:38
just do an aside on the Penn State side.
32:43
I've been talking about shooting and.
32:48
And they hired James Franklin. If you look at, if you peel back
32:53
the onion and you start looking at Matt Campbell, he is James
32:57
Franklin. So they didn't get any better.
33:01
They hired the same guy. Yeah.
33:04
Yeah, if he can recruit as well as James Franklin, which I'm not
33:07
sure he can. So maybe the same guy, maybe
33:10
slightly less. I I don't know, I'm not sure
33:13
they got better. I just don't know what Penn
33:15
State was thinking. I mean, you're firing Franklin
33:17
mid season. The thought was like you've got
33:19
somebody lined up that you want. Not only did you not have
33:23
somebody lined up, you ran through like 8 guys before you
33:27
finally got Matt Campbell for like 54 days from his firing to
33:31
Matt Campbell's hiring. Just like what are, you know,
33:34
you expect more out of Penn State.
33:36
I'm sorry, I just have no idea what they were even thinking
33:40
making that move but. Speaking about our.
33:43
Our schedule's easy this year. They'll probably win 10 games
33:46
just to, you know, make us all. We knew what we were doing.
33:49
We're going to win 10 games. Matt Campbell.
33:52
I'm sorry, Pete, go ahead. No, I was going to say, Speaking
33:55
of teams that don't know what they're doing, what the heck is
33:57
Stanford doing? Have they given up on football
34:01
all together? What?
34:02
What is this coaching hire? I don't understand at all what
34:06
that team is doing. So if you take a look at Coach
34:10
Asati tomorrow, we actually dig into that one.
34:13
You know, Stanford's a, it's a weird animal because it, you
34:17
know, they, they do things out of the norm and you know, this
34:23
is definitely a higher out of the norm.
34:26
It it could work. If it's going to work anywhere,
34:30
it'll work at Stanford. That's let's put it that way.
34:33
OK. Anybody else would be pretty up
34:37
in arms about it, but you know, that's one that could actually
34:43
work there. We'll we'll, we'll, we'll see.
34:48
Across the Bay at Cal. That's an interesting hire.
34:53
That's one to watch. So Tash Lapoy, he played at Cal,
34:57
He's from the Bay Area, He went to De La Salle High School.
35:00
He, he knows the lay of the land there for recruiting.
35:05
If you watch the game, the, the game day, you know, when they,
35:11
when they went to Cal, they were all, all of you know, all of the
35:15
hosts were shocked at the turn out and the enthusiasm.
35:20
Cal has really been a sleeping giant, and none of us know about
35:25
it because the last time that they did anything with their
35:28
team was over 60 years ago, 65 years ago.
35:32
And so we don't know about it. But they have a really strong
35:36
culture. They have a really, you know,
35:38
enthusiastic fan base. They've got the alumni support
35:44
as long as they think you they're serious.
35:46
And this might be the first time they've got a chancellor who's
35:49
an alum and knows that. They've got Ron Rivera as the
35:52
general manager who knows that and Tosh Lapoy, who is, you
35:57
know, defensive coordinator at Alabama and at Oregon taking
36:02
over. That might be the out-of-the-box
36:05
hire that could go somewhere this year.
36:08
That would be 1 to watch. You got one Darren, I got AI,
36:14
got a few here too. I don't know if you.
36:15
I I the only other one that I had, you know, I know we were
36:19
talking about SEC earlier. Am I the only one that hates the
36:21
Arkansas hire of Silver Field? I mean, does anybody like
36:24
understand what their thinking was?
36:25
Because this seems like another terrible hire.
36:28
The Arkansas people don't seem to like it much, but.
36:31
OK, that's what I thought. I'm not an Arkansas person, but
36:33
I was just like, you got rid of Sam Pittman for this guy.
36:36
I, I I. He's a game manager kind of guy.
36:39
I don't know what he's really going to do.
36:40
There's I don't. Upside doesn't exist.
36:42
I don't think so. I don't know.
36:45
Right. No, Memphis was glad to see him
36:47
go, so that should tell you a lot.
36:53
Which of all the coaching hires we had this year, Which one do
36:56
you think is the best overall cultural fit?
37:02
Apparently the one that's this coach will win you a
37:04
championship, but the one that just seems to fit like the
37:06
community and and what the program's trying to do.
37:11
The Lane Kiffin hire at LSU is probably the one that fits the
37:15
best. You think of I'm in handy.
37:21
You think of somebody with swagger who you know, talks a
37:25
big game and you know, does all sorts of stuff that you you go,
37:30
wow, that's Lane. And he's in a place where he can
37:34
do it now where they would embrace it.
37:36
So that's probably the best cultural fit.
37:41
That fan base, it already fired up.
37:44
They were fired up the minute that happened.
37:46
They were already talking smack. So you're right.
37:49
I mean, they are ready for Lane. So he does fit beautifully
37:53
there. Yeah.
37:55
I. Believe late September LSU at
37:58
Ole Miss. Must see.
38:02
I don't care what's going on that day.
38:05
Nobody better scheduled a wedding that.
38:08
Yeah. Not going to be there.
38:14
Oh, my God. Yeah.
38:15
I mean, and I got two more here. I don't know if Pete, if you
38:21
wanted to go or Darren, you want to go.
38:23
I'm gonna have something to go. Go ahead, Tim.
38:25
OK, which one? Which one is the most overhyped
38:31
that you think it's just going to fall flat?
38:33
Well, I think Arkansas is a good, a good, a good bet for
38:38
that. I, you know, I think, you know,
38:42
we covered, we covered wedding ham at Michigan.
38:45
And I, I think, you know, what we were saying about it was, you
38:48
know, great cultural fit. He's going to put discipline in
38:52
there. He's going to reset the culture.
38:55
He's not going to take any crap from anyone.
38:58
He's, you know, he's just a real no nonsense guy.
39:00
I've always really liked him. When you dig down into the into
39:05
the numbers, you look at his record, you know, he's not a guy
39:08
who wins against the big teams. He'll, he's going to, he's going
39:11
to beat, you know, the, the, the middle of the pack.
39:17
He's going to have a good record.
39:18
They're going to have a winning record.
39:20
They're going to go to a nice bowl game.
39:22
They're going to look tough, but he's going to lose against the
39:25
top team and that's just been, that's been, but he'll reset the
39:30
culture there and whoever comes after him is going to benefit
39:34
from that. If if the betting line if the
39:38
over under was three years in one game for how long
39:41
Whittingham will be at Michigan you betting the over the under
39:45
under? Under, I'm betting the under,
39:48
yeah. He's keeping, he's keeping the
39:52
seat warm for John Harbaugh. That's all that's happening
39:54
right now. Oh yeah, they'll wait for the
39:56
Giants to get rid of him and then he's.
39:59
Oh, that's what's going to happen.
40:01
So you're you're banking on the giants impatience.
40:05
I am Good luck with that. Let me know how that works out.
40:08
Well, you won't have to. I'm sure we'll all hear about
40:10
it. So all right, go with my last
40:16
one or. Yeah, I, I, I got all the ones
40:19
from the e-mail. I I got a couple of Pete's, but
40:21
we'll let him ask those. Well, the one higher that I hate
40:25
the most because I think it's probably the best one and it's
40:29
by the Florida Gators. John Sumrall.
40:30
He would he was like my one, one of my choices to take over for
40:35
Nobel if FSU shake Ken Nobel. I wanted Sumrall.
40:40
Are my fears correct or do you see hopefully I'm way off base
40:45
here or do you think I'm I nailed something?
40:47
No, I, I think he nailed it. I think he's, and nobody's
40:53
paying attention to them right now and they're doing all kinds
40:55
of the right stuff. So I, that's, that's what.
41:00
So there's a couple of them that I'm looking at.
41:01
I'm looking at him at Florida, looking at Bob, Bob Chesney at
41:08
UCLA. As long as the athletic director
41:12
stays out of it. That guy is a moron.
41:16
God bless it, I mean. How do you really feel talking
41:19
about? Bad athletic directors and, and
41:22
he he is, he is a bad Martin Jarman.
41:25
He is a bad one. So, you know, it says something
41:29
when when they put it together, a panel of alums to go make the
41:32
hire and the athletic director's not included.
41:35
And that's what they did. So, but Chesney is he's another
41:39
one who's making all the right moves.
41:41
Lapoie is also making all the right moves.
41:46
Yeah. So those are the those are those
41:48
are three. And along with James Franklin, I
41:50
think that James Franklin was a really good hire for Virginia
41:53
Tech. Would either of those three put
41:57
their team instantly in, you know, mode for playoff or title
42:01
contention, do you think in first year out the gate or is it
42:04
going to take some growing pains, if you will?
42:08
You surely I'll make noise. I don't think that they'll make
42:10
the playoffs. He'll make noise.
42:13
OK. Virginia Tech, there's a
42:18
possibility there, and I think there's a possibility in
42:22
Florida, too. Yeah, that's going to suck. 3rd
42:31
place in Florida again. Or probably 5th place.
42:34
Who am I kidding? OK, so the most baffling hire we
42:39
didn't talk about, the most baffling hire to me is at Tulane
42:45
where they promoted Will Hall, who was a disaster at Southern
42:50
Mississippi. And all of a sudden he's the
42:51
head coach at Tulane. And you know, and you know, I
42:59
get emails every week and some of the I should start publishing
43:02
some of those because they're some of them are pretty funny.
43:05
But there are two coaches where I've gotten a boatload of emails
43:10
from people when they were let go where they said the guy is a
43:14
really nice guy, but it just didn't work out.
43:18
And Will Hall was one of them. I probably had two dozen emails
43:22
that said that from people who were really involved in that
43:26
program. They said we wanted it to work.
43:27
We kept extending it. So, you know, it just never got
43:32
traction. And so when you hear that about,
43:35
you know, like he had, he had support there till the end.
43:39
And now he's the head coach of Tulane, I don't understand.
43:41
That was just a lazy hire. Feel the same way about U A/B.
43:48
I mean, you Dilfer, we thought should have never been hired in
43:51
the 1st place as long as he did, but you fired him after he went
43:55
two and four. You promoted the offense
43:56
coordinator, Alex Mortensen. He went two and four and his
44:00
offense actually was worse the last six games of the season
44:03
than it was when he was the offense coordinator of the first
44:05
six games of the season. So I I no idea what UAB is doing
44:11
down there either. So I expect a terrible year for
44:13
them as well. Well, he's a, that's another
44:16
really bad athletic director. He's another one.
44:19
I did, I don't get it, like, oh, you know, why is he still there?
44:22
But I don't think anybody wanted that job.
44:25
I think that they, what they went with was somebody who
44:27
wanted the job, who was there and who knew, at least knew
44:30
where the bathrooms were. But there was, they really
44:34
couldn't attract anyone to that job.
44:37
And it's, and they have really great fan base, really great
44:43
alumni support. There's a lot of positives to
44:46
that job. But if the if they had better
44:50
management, you know, somebody, if they had a better athletic
44:52
director and somebody who actually really cared about the
44:55
program, then I think they would be successful.
45:00
The resources that they have available to them from the
45:02
alumni and from their supporters is, is, is.
45:06
Yeah, there are a lot of schools that would like to have that.
45:12
Yeah, well, one school we didn't talk about the the hiring back
45:15
in the SEC, Kentucky's new coach, yes, from he came over
45:22
from Oregon. Do you have any thoughts on that
45:24
guy? Do you think he can move them up
45:25
the SEC ladder in any way? I do.
45:28
I think he I think that was a good hire for them too.
45:30
They he's he's AI think he was a quarterback at Kentucky, but I
45:37
must take him. He's very familiar with that
45:38
program. He grew up in Kentucky.
45:40
Yeah, he's he's an alum. He's a really good offensive
45:43
coordinator. So if he can make that lead to
45:46
head coach, that that that one could be a success.
45:48
Nice. Yeah, I guess with Lane Kiffin
45:54
just taking all the oxygen out of the room, when you talk about
45:56
the SEC and all the new coaches, he kind of just takes everything
46:00
out of there. You keep this guy.
46:02
That guy just fell through the cracks here a little bit.
46:04
Look, I'm just going to say just because I'm wearing a hat, I am
46:07
some I'm I'm in the back one of the cars on the lane train.
46:10
Not all the way like sitting up front asking to drive, but I
46:15
mean, I could seriously. Oh, we could have a whole show
46:17
about him. No, we can't.
46:18
He's a douche. All right, there's a 5 second
46:20
show, it's over with. Say what you want about the guy
46:22
personally, but he had less at Ole Miss than what he's going to
46:27
have here. And the dude did win 10 games a
46:30
year the last three years. You know, the best thing he did
46:34
was keep his defensive coordinator, Baker, and that
46:38
defense was good last year. If Sam Levitt is healthy and
46:44
that's, that's a big if it, it's a playoff team, man, I'm sorry.
46:48
For sure it is. For sure it is.
46:49
All right. No doubt.
46:53
You know who's had experience with Lane?
46:55
He's a really good coach, there's no question about it.
46:59
It's whether you can handle all of the, you know, all of the
47:03
periphery stuff that comes with him.
47:08
My one concern is you could say the same thing about Bill
47:10
Belichick. And I was high on North Carolina
47:11
last year and that was a train wreck.
47:13
And I'm surprised he was only #7 on your rankings because I
47:17
thought this dude would be like. Right out of the gate I was
47:20
bashing that higher. I mean I.
47:23
Caroline has to take into account the talent on the
47:26
roster, of which he had none, starting with Tim's favorite
47:29
quarterback, Gio Lopez. Garbage.
47:32
But Blaine's got the talent, it's just a matter of how
47:35
quickly it can all come together.
47:36
Yeah, well, I think Gio Lopez was better coached at South
47:40
Alabama than he was at North Carolina, so I think that's what
47:43
it was. Yeah, that was the problem.
47:45
The first time, that is the only thing.
47:51
The first sign of trouble is when the coach comes in and
47:55
starts hiring his friends or relatives.
47:58
Yeah. That's not a.
47:59
That's not a good. When your girlfriend's younger
48:01
than your starting quarterback, that's also probably all.
48:11
Right. Well, I crossed out my question
48:14
so that's all I got on my end. Do you guys have anything else
48:18
you want to add? I just my last two in passing
48:20
that I thought were pretty good hires.
48:21
Colorado State with Jim Mora, I think he'll bring credibility
48:24
and discipline to that program. So I like that hire and to
48:27
replace him at Connecticut, I love that Jason Candle hire.
48:31
I think that there's some really good potential with that program
48:34
with him there. So I like both of those hires.
48:37
Yeah, though I think both of those are good.
48:38
I was actually surprised that Mora didn't go back to UCLA
48:42
because they were really high on him and then and then all of a
48:45
sudden he was at Colorado State, a perfect hire for him, for
48:50
them. It really, he'll do a really
48:52
good job there. 01 Final footnote Yeah, Virginia Tech
48:58
does play at Miami late in November this year.
49:01
Interesting. Excellent.
49:03
We'll test it, see if the James Franklin rule applies.
49:07
The Aces. He'll still lose that game, but
49:09
the problem is he could be 8 and 2 going into that game and it
49:13
might not be, you know, that huge of a deal.
49:16
What's the you got the rest of his schedule?
49:18
What? What's it?
49:19
What's it look like real quick if you don't mind.
49:21
Let's see if I can pull that up. Can't make it any bigger.
49:26
So we got. No, I'm just curious about their
49:28
their conference slate. Pitt, Cal, Virginia, Miami, SMU
49:32
Clemson, Georgia Tech that Stanford in there Boston College
49:39
Sorry they're one of the teams that have 9 games.
49:42
ACC what are you doing? Can you figure out your damn?
49:44
Kind No, they can't, no. The outside of Miami, there's
49:51
nobody on there that really scares me, I mean.
49:55
The ACC commissioner is hanging out with Crack Monster.
49:57
Tech lost their offensive coordinator and Haines King is
50:01
gone. Boston College, Pittsburgh's, I
50:04
think on the upswing. Cal, we already talked.
50:06
I don't know that that's not a, that's not a horrible schedule.
50:10
Yeah, it's not terrible. So let me ask you guys, what do
50:14
you think of the high of the out Scottish hire at Auburn?
50:20
I was going to actually ask you about that.
50:22
I like it, but that team has lost so much.
50:27
I, I, I actually want to bet them to beat Baylor in Week 1
50:32
because you can see all these South Florida guys coming over.
50:35
Well, oh, they're in the SEC now.
50:37
Well, the Baylor defense, as we've learned, is not anywhere
50:39
near an SEC caliber. I think they can win that.
50:43
I love what he does offensively, but man, they've lost all three
50:47
of their quarterbacks to the portal.
50:49
They lost Cam Coleman. I mean, there is a ton on both
50:52
sides of the ball that he needs to replace.
50:55
If he can replace that and they can gel quit, I don't I don't
50:58
see them having a problem offensively.
51:00
And last year that was their issue.
51:01
Jackson Arnold was terrible, but they bring in Daniels in there
51:06
for a few games. He was terrible as well.
51:08
You know, they're they're like LSU defense was not their
51:10
problem. Offensively, they'll be better.
51:15
But yeah. Is Byron Brown going to have
51:17
time to throw the ball or is he going to be scrambling for his
51:19
life, you know, and injured by Week 7?
51:22
I love to hire. I I just don't love the current
51:25
roster. Yeah, it's going to take some
51:27
time. The depth is lacking on that
51:29
team severely. They need to build some depth
51:32
out. And the upside of the offense
51:33
is, is is there. And I think it will, it will
51:36
happen, but it's going to take a little time.
51:38
Yeah, the, the problem with that job is the what you just said,
51:41
the patients like that, they've got inpatient donors and you
51:45
know, they, you know, they've, they've pulled the plug on how
51:49
many of the last coaches that they've had.
51:51
You can go back, you know, and so I, I'm just, if I were, if I
51:58
were Alex, I don't know that I would have taken that job
52:00
because of that, because it's going to take you're going to
52:03
need some patience. They're going to need to and
52:06
they just don't have it there. They, you know, they, they fire
52:09
the coach at the drop of a hat. So I don't know.
52:13
That's all. That's a really rough job.
52:17
Rough as Arkansas though, because there were reports that
52:20
come out that he had accepted the Arkansas job and then his
52:23
camp came out and said no, we didn't.
52:24
And like 73 hours later he's coaching Auburn.
52:27
So that's why he's like lesser of two evils.
52:29
I'll take Auburn over Arkansas any day of the week.
52:33
But I think he was supposed to be.
52:34
The Arkansas guy. I would have taken the Arkansas
52:37
job over this one, too. Look, look, if Sam Pittman,
52:41
they, you know. I agree You could have stability
52:45
at Arkansas. I I think you can.
52:46
I think you can build a program there.
52:48
You could have some time to do it there.
52:49
I think that fan base would support you there.
52:52
I think. I think that would be the better
52:54
job. I would rather go to Arkansas.
52:56
That's a that's a great fan base there.
52:58
If they're really on board with you, they're really They're all
53:01
in, yeah. Yeah.
53:06
All right. Well, that was a good hour.
53:08
It went by pretty quickly, I thought.
53:10
This is a lot of fun. Yeah, this is great.
53:12
I enjoyed. It a lot.
53:15
You know what? That's right.
53:16
You know, my dog's been sitting here.
53:17
Bubba's been sitting here the whole time.
53:19
He has not made one sound. Nice yeah I got mine sitting
53:24
right here. She hasn't made a pee pee but we
53:26
haven't made any pics. Usually when I make a bad
53:28
actually start barking so. You were actually thinking of
53:30
having Bubba replacing you at some point last year.
53:33
You. Know.
53:35
That could only. You would have done better than
53:37
I. Yeah, my, my new puppy is over
53:41
there. I was asking the wife, you're
53:42
going to be home before 7 or after 8.
53:44
I'm like, because I'll record downstairs if you're home to
53:46
watch the demon. I'm upstairs and she's actually
53:50
slept the entire time, thank goodness.
53:53
Fantastic. All right.
53:55
Well, that'll wrap it up for the first show of the offseason for
53:58
26. Darren, what's our next show
53:59
going to be coming up? We've got we're, we're done for
54:03
February. We've got a couple shows lined
54:06
up in March our our famous bankroll management show, which,
54:10
yes, is incredibly boring but incredibly important.
54:13
Very important. With 40 states now eligible to
54:16
bet on sports, we'll, we'll go over some some tips and tricks
54:19
to to keep your bankroll at the one deposit that you start with
54:23
for, for the entire season. And then a couple weeks after
54:26
that we have our national championship preview show.
54:31
Those odds are out at all the major sports books, and we might
54:36
actually have a a guest for that as well.
54:39
That's right, Doc Sports, right? Yeah, some guy from Doc Sports
54:42
is actually planning on joining us, so we'll see if that works
54:46
out the corner his handler he's in, so we'll see.
54:52
How that? Goes but Yep.
54:53
And then April kicks off, I think, well, we got a Heisman
54:58
preview I think to start April and then like mid-april, right
55:01
through August. It's conference previews every
55:04
week or every two weeks depending on what conference.
55:08
We're doing all right. All right, let's go do it.
55:10
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