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Speaker 2: And we're back, guys, just a little over three weeks
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Speaker 2: to go to the draft. We've rifled through a lot
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Speaker 2: of prospect videos and we're here just to kick off
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Speaker 2: this show talking about some of the latest draft news.
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Speaker 2: I think we're kind of settling into silly season. Paul
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Speaker 2: feels like this is when people start to, you know,
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Speaker 2: you hear things like what that doesn't make sense? They
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Speaker 2: love that guy, most notably with Tony Pauline's report yesterday
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Speaker 2: that Elliott wolf enamored with JJ McCarthy, the hot new
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Speaker 2: name here on the mock draft circuit. So what do
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Speaker 2: you take away from that anything?
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Speaker 3: I don't take much in terms of what it means
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Speaker 3: directly to the Patriots. I think that Elliott Wolf and
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Speaker 3: the you know, the cast of thousands that he's evidently
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Speaker 3: been traveling with while you know, going on to watch
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Speaker 3: all these guys. I think McCarthy's an interesting prospect only
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Speaker 3: because of what I've been saying all along. I just
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Speaker 3: think he has the most unknown because I just haven't
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Speaker 3: seen him be able to do all the things that
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Speaker 3: all the other guys had to do for their teams
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Speaker 3: in college. So I think there's a skill set there,
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Speaker 3: you know. I think he's got you know, good enough size.
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Speaker 3: I think he runs tough. I think he's pretty athletic.
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Speaker 3: I think he's shown that he can move around and
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Speaker 3: make plays outside the pocket. But like I said, I
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Speaker 3: just haven't seen him be able to, you know, put
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Speaker 3: a team on his back and have to throw the
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Speaker 3: ball thirty five forty forty five times to ensure victory.
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Speaker 3: I've seen all the other guys have to do that
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Speaker 3: from time to time.
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Speaker 2: Van, I'm gonna tee up. And the last episode we
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Speaker 2: showed a film breakdown, you did a McCarthy. You know,
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Speaker 2: we talked so much about guys like Mac Jones and
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and these guys that come from LSU and
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Speaker 2: Alabama that have superstar casts around them, and maybe not
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Speaker 2: quite the case with JJ McCarthy. Do you think he's
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Speaker 2: get I think downgraded before you know, think if he
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Speaker 2: was playing on one of those teams, Yeah, I'd be
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Speaker 2: talking a little bit higher about it.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's what a lot of people that like JJ
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Speaker 4: McCarthy will tell you. I'll just say this along the
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Speaker 4: same lines as Paul. Last week it was that the
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Speaker 4: Commanders are enamored with JJ McCarthy. This week it's now
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Speaker 4: the Patriots that are enamored with JJ McCarthy. So I
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Speaker 4: think that people are just trying to figure out where
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Speaker 4: to put JJ McCarthy. Like, obviously he's a guy that's
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Speaker 4: going to go a little bit higher than maybe we
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Speaker 4: thought a couple months ago. He's going to probably go
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Speaker 4: in the top half of the first round, But is
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Speaker 4: it going to be as early as two or three
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Speaker 4: or are we more talking about in that mac Jones?
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Speaker 4: Can he Pickett range in the teens? I would just
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Speaker 4: say that proceed with caution this time of year. This
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Speaker 4: time last year, Will Levis was a top ten pick.
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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, Mac Jones was a San Francisco
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Speaker 4: forty nine er at number three overall. Then we get
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Speaker 4: to the draft and they end up finding their level
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Speaker 4: and they end up going in a more comfortable range
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Speaker 4: for their skill set. I think that there's a lot
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Speaker 4: to like about JJ McCarthy in terms of the talent
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Speaker 4: and just the ball of clay that he is. You know,
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Speaker 4: he does have the ability, like Paul said, to move
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Speaker 4: get outside the pocket. He's elusive in the pocket, put
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Speaker 4: down a fantastic three cone times. So he's got that
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Speaker 4: agility and that jitterbugness about him in the pocket. And
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Speaker 4: he's got a plus arm. I wouldn't say it's an
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Speaker 4: elite arm, but it's a better than average NFL arm
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Speaker 4: as well, So you have some things to work with.
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Speaker 4: But there's a lot of things I think in his
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Speaker 4: game that needs seasoning, a post snap decision making probably
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Speaker 4: being the biggest one, but also accuracy in terms of
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Speaker 4: ball placement down the field too. So I'm not a
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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy guy. Everybody knows that, but I'm trying to
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Speaker 4: open my mind and not be as critical about it
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Speaker 4: because clearly there are people in the league that have
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Speaker 4: a lot of love for him.
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Speaker 2: McCarthy not at all.
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Speaker 5: I think it's smoke screen season, and I think it's
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Speaker 5: a very risky pick to take him. I don't think
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Speaker 5: he's better than the other three guys. I think it's
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Speaker 5: risky to take him at three, and I think it's
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Speaker 5: gonna be pretty funy when it just goes Caleb, Jaden,
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Speaker 5: Drake and it is boring, but sometimes it's what has
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Speaker 5: to happen.
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Speaker 2: So that's how I wanted to go. And you know,
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Speaker 2: I put out my latest mock draft, So yeah, Drake
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Speaker 2: May my guy. You know, I'd love them to go
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Speaker 2: with him. And we've got coming up next here on
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Speaker 2: Draft Countdown, we have a full film segment where Evan
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Speaker 2: breaks down Drake May as well, just like he did
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Speaker 2: with McCarthy. So, guys, let's just kind of hash out
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Speaker 2: these two a little bit right now, because it's like
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Speaker 2: the more things change, the more they say the same Paul,
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Speaker 2: you said a couple of shows ago, you know, on Unfiltered,
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Speaker 2: we've been talking about the same stuff. Ultimately, does it
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Speaker 2: just kind of still boil down to date Daniels or May?
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Speaker 2: I think it does.
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Speaker 3: And I think that particular thing I think boils down
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Speaker 3: to your particular taste and I think that there's a
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Speaker 3: lot to like about both guys. And that's why I
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Speaker 3: said some nice things about McCarthy too, because Evan's right,
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Speaker 3: just because we don't necessarily look at McCarthy in that
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Speaker 3: light doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be talked about.
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Speaker 2: You know, like that.
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Speaker 3: So I like the idea of May because I just
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Speaker 3: feel like there's so much upside there. Now you can
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Speaker 3: make an argument that, you know, the opposite is not
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Speaker 3: what you're looking for. If it doesn't wor work out,
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Speaker 3: you don't really have much to fall back on. I
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Speaker 3: just feel like he had to do a lot of
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Speaker 3: things for that team last year, and I want that.
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Speaker 3: I want a guy who sort of had to be
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Speaker 3: the guy and how to have it all on his shoulders.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I don't think it was great. But
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Speaker 3: when you're talking about, you know, well he failed, well
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Speaker 3: what was North Carolina last year, like like eight and
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Speaker 3: four or something like. It's not like they went, you know,
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Speaker 3: two and twelve. You know, when when it was all
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Speaker 3: on his shoulders, he still won some games, didn't win
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Speaker 3: as many as a lot of people thought he might,
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Speaker 3: So you know that's how it worked.
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Speaker 2: I like May.
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of them, but certainly I understand
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Speaker 3: the upside with with Daniels too. I know evan't got
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Speaker 3: a chance to see him both up close and personal.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll talk about the Pro days. You were
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Speaker 2: down there, Yeah, Tour of the South, So yeah, right,
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Speaker 2: it was a fun time.
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Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing with Jaden Daniels is that
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Speaker 4: you are really banking on his athleticism and his running
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Speaker 4: ability being his superpower. Because what I saw from him
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Speaker 4: throwing the football was okay. I wasn't blown away, though.
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Speaker 4: I didn't look at him and say, Wow, this arm
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Speaker 4: talent is just fantastic. He's got a really big arm
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Speaker 4: and he can kind of just flick the wrists and
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Speaker 4: generate velocity and this that the other thing. I kind
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Speaker 4: of felt like it was an NFL arm We go
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Speaker 4: out to training camp and stuff like that, and we
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Speaker 4: see guys throw all the time, and I didn't look
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Speaker 4: at his arm talent and sit there and say, this
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Speaker 4: is so much better than Mac Jones or this is
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Speaker 4: so much better than Bailey ZAPPI maybe a little bit
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Speaker 4: more control on the ball than those guys at times,
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Speaker 4: but not blown away. Whereas with Drake May he just
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Speaker 4: has a handcannon. I mean that guy off platform, off
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Speaker 4: one leg, rolling to his left, rolling to his right,
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Speaker 4: It doesn't make a difference. He can just flick at
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Speaker 4: sixty five yards in the air. And I was standing
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Speaker 4: right there when he dropped it in to tes Walker
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Speaker 4: on the sideline sixty five yards on a dime too,
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Speaker 4: and I was just like, man, this is just that's different.
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Speaker 4: That's a different trait. And if you were looking, if
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Speaker 4: you still are of the of the mind that you
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Speaker 4: need to win with your arm in this league, and
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Speaker 4: eventually all of the running and off platform stuff is
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Speaker 4: all great, well and good, But the person that's gonna
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Speaker 4: sit in the pocket and be able to pick a
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Speaker 4: part of defense is the guy that's gonna hold the
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Speaker 4: trophy at the end of the day. I just look
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Speaker 4: at Drake May and think that that is an easier
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Speaker 4: path for him to get to that point. With Daniels,
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Speaker 4: I think you're really counting on the whole package, the
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Speaker 4: running ability, the arm and it all coming together at
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Speaker 4: this level for that ability to go on a season
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Speaker 4: like he had last year at LSU.
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Speaker 5: First, I want to hear more about Tess Walker, but
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Speaker 5: I think Jaden Daniels, I don't think we're ready for him.
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Speaker 5: I think I know Evan's mentioned this before, he had
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Speaker 5: Malik Neighbors, he had Brian Thomas, Like, I think he
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Speaker 5: needs a bit more structure, and I think, honestly, the
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Speaker 5: Commanders have a more set offense right now for him
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Speaker 5: than the Pats would. And Drake May, just as I said,
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Speaker 5: you can sin for a while. He has the traits,
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Speaker 5: he has an absolute cannon. So I think May's the
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Speaker 5: guy and I really hope he ends up here.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, when it comes to elevator the players around them,
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Speaker 4: I think that Jayden Daniels could distribute the ball to
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Speaker 4: good receivers no problem. But when it comes to actually
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Speaker 4: taking that an offense that maybe doesn't have great receivers
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Speaker 4: yet and elevating it to be on what it is,
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Speaker 4: I just think Drake May brings more to the table
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Speaker 4: in that respect.
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Speaker 2: All Right, we're here now talking the defensive front seven guys.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna include three different position groups here, because let's
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Speaker 2: face it, the Patriots need offense, and I would make
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Speaker 2: an argument that they need some front seven help in
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Speaker 2: the not too distant future, but for this year, just
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Speaker 2: running down real quick, I mean Lawrence guy departed. However,
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Speaker 2: they did sign arm On Watts kind of could fill
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Speaker 2: that position. You got ke On White from last year
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Speaker 2: stepping up there, but otherwise it's kind of the same
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Speaker 2: front we know the year Christian Barmore had daniel Lequallee
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Speaker 2: a rotational piece coming back at linebacker. You got Bentley
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Speaker 2: and Tavani Tavai Sioni Taki Taki comes in, Rayquo McMillan
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Speaker 2: coming back from an injury. I'm just listening all these
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Speaker 2: guys off to show some of the depth. The one
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Speaker 2: position I do think is a concern though, is along
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Speaker 2: the edge, and so it's not impossible to see them
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Speaker 2: going in that position early on. But I'd like to
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Speaker 2: just start with like the four top guys I think
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Speaker 2: of that group, which is Jared Verse, Chop Robinson, Dallas
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Speaker 2: Turner and lie To Latsu. Four guys who all really
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Speaker 2: fit kind of the Patriots prototype. Along the edge. We
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Speaker 2: could potentially make, you know, a good three down rotational
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Speaker 2: piece alongside Matthew Judon, josh Ucha, Anthony Jenning. Still feels
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Speaker 2: like they were a little light there, but tis they're
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Speaker 2: probably not gonna be able to take one of those guys.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of looking at this like we talked
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Speaker 5: about the DBS. I hope we don't take somebody at
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Speaker 5: the defensive front seven before the fourth. But Jared Verse,
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Speaker 5: I mean we saw him Indianapolis that kill Roy shout
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Speaker 5: out to their bread sticks. But that guy is a
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Speaker 5: unit and it's I said it earlier. It's just it's
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Speaker 5: a shame that we had such a tough year because
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Speaker 5: he would love to see these guys on the Patriots,
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Speaker 5: but we just this isn't what we need right now.
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Speaker 5: So but Jared Verse to the top of the crop
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Speaker 5: right there.
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Speaker 3: For me, He's actually one that I'm really high on
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Speaker 3: and I love his story, you know, coming from a
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Speaker 3: lower level, you know, out of nowhere from Albany and
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Speaker 3: you know, being just a star at a level like
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Speaker 3: Florida State. So I agree with tis really like the player.
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Speaker 3: Don't really see much of a chance of the Patriots
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Speaker 3: being in position now. Maybe if you're talking about trading
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Speaker 3: down in some of the dominoes that you kind of
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Speaker 3: traded down with an eye on don't fall into place.
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Speaker 3: I think that's a guy that he screened Patriot when
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Speaker 3: you watch him, But again, I think very very little
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Speaker 3: to no chance.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like Dallas Turner two, Alabama guy. I
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Speaker 2: mean another one that would easily fit lot to the
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Speaker 2: guys who have good stories. I mean, seemed like his
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Speaker 2: career was going to end the neck injury, comes back,
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Speaker 2: very athletic, very long.
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Speaker 3: Lot two is one of my favorite guys because I
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Speaker 3: don't watch a ton of games, but I'm watching. I'm
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Speaker 3: watching the CLA game and this guy a lot too is.
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Speaker 3: I think it might have been against USC and he
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Speaker 3: made a couple of plays like back to back. I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to keep that guy in mind. Yeah, Like
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Speaker 3: two minutes later the guy goes, no, he's gonna be
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Speaker 3: a top fifteen pick. That's why I'm like nothing that's
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Speaker 3: by Paul.
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Speaker 1: He's your prototypical edge rusher. I mean thirteen sacks in
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Speaker 1: the season, just absolutely dominated this year to UCLA and
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Speaker 1: I mean not a free to catch the football. Two
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Speaker 1: interceptions on the season as well. But he's a guy
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Speaker 1: that is going to set the edge when you need
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Speaker 1: him to. Same with Jared Verus, like easily, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: the two top guys in that draft. Yeah, that you
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Speaker 1: could slide from.
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Speaker 2: That's what they need like, you know, I think they.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's just it's an underrated need and that's
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Speaker 2: why I like if the were to happen early, I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't totally hate it. The other guy I'll just mention
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Speaker 2: is Darius Robinson from Zoo. Watched him during Senior Bowl practices.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he is I just wrote he's a handful.
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Speaker 2: I mean wherever he lines up, he can play a
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Speaker 2: number of different spots. I don't know if he's going
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Speaker 2: to make it out of the first round, but he's
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Speaker 2: another one who maybe not quite in that upper tier,
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Speaker 2: but if he were to slip, I could maybe consider
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Speaker 2: it there in the second round. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: No, he's great, honestly, always in the backfield, just always,
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Speaker 1: just his presence is felt. And fourteen tackle for loss
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Speaker 1: in the season led the team, so it's it's a
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Speaker 1: great number.
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Speaker 3: So just before we move on from the edge guys,
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Speaker 3: I'm curious what you think in terms of the style
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Speaker 3: of edge player if the Patriots again, I think we
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Speaker 3: all agree we're talking day three yep. Yeah, because I
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Speaker 3: think that you know the needs are there, but would
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Speaker 3: you want to you know, a bigger edge guy, maybe
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Speaker 3: you know Anthony Jennings, physical edge setter or would you
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Speaker 3: want maybe a smaller two fifty you know, pass rusher.
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Speaker 2: A great question, Paul, I mean I love that you
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Speaker 2: kind of you kind of set me up because I have,
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Speaker 2: you know, two later around options. I think the cover
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Speaker 2: kind of both those options.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, Nelson Caesar is one who's kind of been
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Speaker 2: on my radar for a little bit. He's kind of
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Speaker 2: more that prototypical, has the power, you know as a captain,
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Speaker 2: but you know, more like kind of the edge setter type,
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Speaker 2: maybe need some work on the pass rush. It's a
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Speaker 2: little bit more Jennings than Uce. But then Jalen Harrell
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Speaker 2: from Michigan, I mean everybody watched Michigan's defense this year.
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Speaker 2: He's another one who you know, kind of reminds me
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Speaker 2: of Uce a little bit. Maybe not quite so specific
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Speaker 2: to being a pass rusher, a designated pass rusher like
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Speaker 2: Uch is with his you know o J speed around
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Speaker 2: the edge. But I just was really impressed with kind
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Speaker 2: of Harold's athleticism. He's kind of shifty, you know, he
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Speaker 2: can kind of beat guys and make guys miss.
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Speaker 5: If you're taking to edge rusher, I want to get
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Speaker 5: after the quarterback. That's why I like Mohammed Kamara Colorado State.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys watched the one in
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Speaker 5: Colorado game. Everybody watched Kara safers the Colorado but he's
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Speaker 5: a beast, just gets back. They're very violent and aggressive
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Speaker 5: off the line. He had thirty and a half career sacks,
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Speaker 5: five forrest fumbles, forty five and a half tackles for
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Speaker 5: loss and that's kind of what I want there. And
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Speaker 5: I think if you're taking an edge rusher as the Patriots,
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Speaker 5: you know we have Judon Anthony Jennings uch is you're
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Speaker 5: really going to develop and the hope they hit their
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Speaker 5: stride next so you don't really need a day one starter.
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Speaker 2: So that's my thought there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Pageers retaining Uch shows that they
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Speaker 1: feel they have a little bit more in him, especially
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Speaker 1: at the edge role. Obviously fell off a little bit
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Speaker 1: this season, but I think they're expecting him to get
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Speaker 1: back to where he was in twenty twenty two. I
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Speaker 1: think that's a huge step that he'll need to take
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Speaker 1: heading into this season to really see if he's worth
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Speaker 1: what the Patriots are looking for.
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Speaker 3: The j I was gonna say, I know, you want
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Speaker 3: to talk about the big guys inside Mike Special. But
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Speaker 3: one thing to keep in mind for this discussion is
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Speaker 3: Judon specifically because last year of his deal. I do think,
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not telling you he's getting traded tomorrow,
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Speaker 3: but it wouldn't you know, it wouldn't be overly surprising
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Speaker 3: to me. And then all of a sudden you pick
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Speaker 3: up maybe a second or third round pick and you
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Speaker 3: replace him with a young pass rush like that wouldn't
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Speaker 3: be out of the rama.
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Speaker 2: Possibility, Like I'd throw Chris Braswell from another guy at
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Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, similar kind of thing, you know, but more
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Speaker 2: of a pass rusher. But Bama, you know, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: love those Bama guys, and I mean that's you know,
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Speaker 2: but I think, just to go back to your question, Paul,
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Speaker 2: I mean I really think they they really need to
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Speaker 2: find a three down guy. I mean, I don't think,
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Speaker 2: you know, you want to go into the season thinking like,
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Speaker 2: oh god, you know Jenning's out there first second and
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Speaker 2: get him off Oocha's in. Like it's just you'd love
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Speaker 2: to find a three down guy that can kind of
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Speaker 2: do it all. And you know, maybe you draft somebody
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Speaker 2: this year like that, you know, not like a Caesar
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Speaker 2: that you can kind of develop and allow him to
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Speaker 2: grow into that. But before we get to down into
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Speaker 2: the you know, the big guys inside, I just wanted to,
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Speaker 2: you know, highlight Peyton Wilson from NC State, who he
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Speaker 2: ran a four foot three at the combine, which is like,
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Speaker 2: you know, he's like six two to forty, I mean,
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Speaker 2: absolutely flying. Just a lot of injury concerns with him.
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Speaker 2: I think the Patriots are probably mostly set inside right now,
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Speaker 2: but he's one guy if you wanted to kind of
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Speaker 2: evolve a little bit, add a little bit more speed
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Speaker 2: on the second level. Again, probably gonna go too high
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Speaker 2: from when they're gonna take him if they believe he
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Speaker 2: can stay healthy, but could fit.
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Speaker 5: I got another guy which might be the pat sweet
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Speaker 5: spot kind of maybe fourth round Cedric Gray from UNC.
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Speaker 5: Bit of an outside linebacker, also play him on the edge,
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Speaker 5: but that he kind of is like a Jennings to me, like,
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Speaker 5: you know, develop him works out great. If not, like
15:34
Speaker 5: you know, you give him some time. So that's a
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Speaker 5: that's a guy I'd look out for. Also UNC, you
15:38
Speaker 5: know Mat Drake may I know each other?
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Speaker 2: That doesn't work, Chris, you got any you got any
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Speaker 2: off the ball linebacker types? Or should be moving onto
15:50
Speaker 2: the defensive late I d ls as we like to
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Speaker 2: call them.
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Speaker 1: I have a couple of the d ls in there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will tee us up with the biggest of
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Speaker 2: them all too.
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Speaker 1: So all right, Braden Fisk out of Florida's I mean
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Speaker 1: just an absolute dog. We were watching him at the combine,
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Speaker 1: just our mouths fellow the floor when we saw his speed.
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Speaker 1: Uh in that forty yard dash of his. But he's
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Speaker 1: a guy. I mean forty three tackle is the true
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Speaker 1: run stuffer. But also you can get to the quarterback.
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Speaker 1: He's quick. I mean if he gets his hands inside you,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's game over.
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Speaker 2: You lost that battle.
16:18
Speaker 1: So I mean.
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Speaker 2: Aggressive, I mean just he's I forget what with what
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Speaker 2: the word I wrote, but he just I mean he's
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Speaker 2: a dog. You just tell like he's he's gonna come in,
16:25
Speaker 2: he's gonna play hard. But I thought you were gonna
16:27
Speaker 2: go with Tovandre Sweat. It's just big. That's a big dude.
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Speaker 2: He can move it in the sor bawl. I mean
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Speaker 2: just a big guy. Maybe a lot of players in
16:36
Speaker 2: the point when.
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Speaker 5: You're at a five to five point two or something,
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Speaker 5: which guy that size is absurd.
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Speaker 2: It's like mass equals four times acceleration. They're like, oh
16:43
Speaker 2: my god. But he's you know again like Godshaw, you know,
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Speaker 2: bar Moore is more of a kind of penetrator type,
16:49
Speaker 2: like you know, te Trick Whise. You know, is is
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Speaker 2: he the right fit or you you know, are you
16:53
Speaker 2: maybe you know, considering key On White to be in
16:56
Speaker 2: that role. So it's just I could see, you know,
16:58
Speaker 2: and Sweat's gonna go to but he kind of needs
17:01
Speaker 2: some of those space eaters. That's those kind of two
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Speaker 2: gap guys. I do have some other ones though later on.
17:05
Speaker 2: But Paul, you you mentioned Sweat great in the playoffs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, He's made a lot of plays. He was
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Speaker 3: a big part of that disruptive front. They weren't great
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Speaker 3: defensively as a team, and obviously Washington had their way
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Speaker 3: with him in that game. But I do think he
17:18
Speaker 3: showed up in most of the games. I watched Chris Jenkins,
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Speaker 3: another kid from Michigan. We talked about in some of
17:25
Speaker 3: earlier shows about the kids of pros, and we didn't
17:29
Speaker 3: talk on the off ball linebackers of Jeremiah Trotter. Same
17:32
Speaker 3: kind of thing, you know, good blood lines. I'm always
17:34
Speaker 3: intrigued by those guys, especially when they play similar you know, positions,
17:38
Speaker 3: so obviously, you know, we talk about it at the
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Speaker 3: high profile with Marvin Harrison. Chris Jenkins's dad was a
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Speaker 3: tremendous All Pro caliber interior defensive lineman. So I don't
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Speaker 3: know where he's gonna fall. He's probably Day two rather
17:51
Speaker 3: than day three, so he's probably out of the Patriots range.
17:55
Speaker 3: But another guy to keep an eye on.
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Speaker 5: I had a Row Row Row got that right, I
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Speaker 5: actually did. I can already hear the fans going rude.
18:06
Speaker 5: He's really he's a big boy. It really takes up
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Speaker 5: space for the linebackers, free them up. I just think, like,
18:10
Speaker 5: once again, this isn't a glaring need for the Patriots,
18:13
Speaker 5: but this could be a fun developmental prospect. And he's
18:15
Speaker 5: he might go a little too high. I also had
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Speaker 5: Leonard Taylor, third LT. Three from Miami, another big guy,
18:21
Speaker 5: works hard and if he's a later round guy, you know,
18:23
Speaker 5: just take him, why.
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Speaker 1: Not, and not to cut you off, but just going in.
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Speaker 1: I mean Mason Smith, another big interior guy, and we
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Speaker 1: talked about a little bit earlier, but six five, three
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Speaker 1: hundred and six pounds, like another big fellow. But he's quick. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: five oh one forty yard dash. I mean that's impressive
18:39
Speaker 1: and something you can be agile when you need him
18:41
Speaker 1: to be. Uh so again another run stuffer there for.
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Speaker 2: Another kind of tototypical three four D end and that's
18:48
Speaker 2: you know, kind of what I was looking at with
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Speaker 2: some of these guys is day three two gappers And
18:52
Speaker 2: it's not sexy, it's you know, it's it's these you know,
18:54
Speaker 2: big guys that aren't gonna do a lot. They're probably
18:56
Speaker 2: going to be just the first two downs. But I
18:58
Speaker 2: think when you look at the Patriots defense and some structure,
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Speaker 2: this is you know what they want. They want a
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Speaker 2: couple guys inside that can take up multiple blockers. You
19:05
Speaker 2: mentioned Smith, I'd also say Jordan Jefferson from US you
19:08
Speaker 2: who probably more of a penetrator and you know, more
19:10
Speaker 2: of that bar More type. But that's kind of where
19:13
Speaker 2: I get confused. And yet, you know, you had a
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Speaker 2: good question Paul about just what are you looking for
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Speaker 2: on the edge, and it's you know, it's still how
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Speaker 2: are they going to evolve? I think you always need
19:20
Speaker 2: both those two gapper tites, but you need guys like
19:22
Speaker 2: Jefferson too, who have some speed like Barmore and can
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Speaker 2: penetrate and can affect the quarterback just specifically.
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Speaker 3: I'd be curious to see how the Patriots feel about it.
19:29
Speaker 3: Is that going to change, you know, what they're actually
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Speaker 3: looking for with with Bill Gohn and you know, just
19:35
Speaker 3: maybe Girod try to put some of an imprint of
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Speaker 3: his own on this or is it just kind of
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Speaker 3: stick to the system the way the way it is run.
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Speaker 2: Kind of covering all their bases, you know, like we
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Speaker 2: got penetrators, we got two gappers, we got run stopping
19:47
Speaker 2: as you know, it's hard to have that like amount
19:49
Speaker 2: of players and then have to like.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill always seemed to be reluctant to sacrifice size
19:54
Speaker 3: and physicality on the edge for pure rushing. So be
19:59
Speaker 3: like I said, be curious to see if Gerad feels
20:02
Speaker 3: the same, or if he decides to go after some
20:04
Speaker 3: of these two hundred and forty pound edge guys. Yeah,
20:07
Speaker 3: that probably aren't going to hold up against the run bike,
20:10
Speaker 3: you know, Anthony Jennings is you know, but maybe you
20:13
Speaker 3: get a little more explosiveness out there.
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Speaker 1: I think the Patriots also have like the age difference
20:19
Speaker 1: between your interior guys. I mean you have the Christian Barmers,
20:21
Speaker 1: who's still kind of young, but then you have Davon
20:24
Speaker 1: Gotchaudis wise like they're getting up there in age, and
20:26
Speaker 1: you want to see which guys can really fit in
20:28
Speaker 1: that type of role, especially if there's going to be
20:30
Speaker 1: some flow there.
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Speaker 2: I think it's it's not twenty twenty five, but after
20:34
Speaker 2: next year, it's like nobody in the front seven center
20:37
Speaker 2: contract and actually it might be an exit next year,
20:39
Speaker 2: so it's like these guys are all coming up, so
20:40
Speaker 2: it's you do have to have a mind for the future.
20:43
Speaker 2: One last name I'll just mentioned Jaden and Cromedy from
20:45
Speaker 2: Mississippi State, another four year starter, big powerful, two gapping,
20:48
Speaker 2: interior day three type guy. I could see that kind
20:52
Speaker 2: of pick making sense, especially if guys, you know, Jeremiah
20:55
Speaker 2: farm Sam Roberts maybe not quite developing. I know we've
20:58
Speaker 2: heard from Elliot Wolf that they want to play these
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Speaker 2: guys a little bit more, so, you know, maybe that
21:02
Speaker 2: that allows them to have some depth with some of
21:04
Speaker 2: these guys you haven't played.
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Speaker 3: He's got to get some he's got to get a
21:08
Speaker 3: prominent role, right, Yeah, your second round pick, year two,
21:12
Speaker 3: it's time.
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Speaker 2: Get him in there. You got anybody.
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Speaker 5: Else's I Paul touched them a little. Just Jeremi Trotter.
21:16
Speaker 5: I know he's a linebacker.
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Speaker 2: I just watched that.
21:18
Speaker 5: They don't make linebackers like that anymore. He's wearing number
21:20
Speaker 5: fifty four, just the center green dot guy, and he's
21:23
Speaker 5: gonna go too high for the Pats. But I mean
21:25
Speaker 5: just he's quite a player, so it'd be interesting to
21:27
Speaker 5: see if they did something there.
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Speaker 2: But all right, well, a lot of options there for
21:31
Speaker 2: the Patriots to consider. We talked about their needs and
21:33
Speaker 2: the depth and all that. So that's going to wrap
21:35
Speaker 2: up the defensive side of the ball. Just a few
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