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Generational Quarterbacks, WR Draft Prospects & More | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April fourth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 2: J P Chackrack and welcome in. It's Jaguars halfy Hour,
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  Speaker 2: brought to you by the Saint John's River Water Management District,
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  Speaker 2: Florida's water it's worth saving and a busy hour ahead.
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  Speaker 2: We're three weeks to the NFL Draft, so we'll hear
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  Speaker 2: from Trevor Sikkhima, pro football focused NFL draft analysts, get
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  Speaker 2: his thoughts on a couple of position groups that could
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  Speaker 2: be in play for the Jaguars, cornerback and wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: See what he has to say about that. The offseason
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  Speaker 2: program right around the corner as well. That's a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks, so ten days away or so eleven days,
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  Speaker 2: the fifteenth, whatever. Today is the fourth. He just said it.
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  Speaker 2: Joe just said it. It's the fourth. It's Thursday. Either way,
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  Speaker 2: that's coming up. We'll get to that. We'll keep it
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  Speaker 2: real as we always do. And microsoft questions from social media.
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  Speaker 2: That all is coming up on tenon XLAM Jaguars dot
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  Speaker 2: Com and Jaguars YouTube. JP Shadwick with Jeff Logoman from
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  Speaker 2: the Miller Electric Center the Hyundai Studios. Good afternoon, afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: How the heck are you. I'm doing great. I mean, well,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, the weather today is fantastic. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: been the last couple of days, went raining, right and
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  Speaker 2: then go a little rain. But I mean it's a
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  Speaker 2: little nice and little chill in the air, a little breezy.
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  Speaker 2: This is kind of the last chill, right. Not a
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  Speaker 2: good day for fishing, but it's a good day to
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  Speaker 2: be outside. Well, we're in the day for football. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say today we're a football day. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it would be like, oh man, it's perfect. Let's go. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is the last kind of chill. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: warm from here on. You think, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: We usually have a little bit of a one more. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean the rest of the month of April, we'll
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  Speaker 2: have some cool weather. Come on, JP, I'm not ready
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  Speaker 2: for summer yet. I'm not. I'm just I would I'm
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  Speaker 2: asking somebody who would know. I know you're excited about
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  Speaker 2: getting the the OTA stuff started. Yeah, okay, let's let's
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  Speaker 2: just calm it down. By the way the Chargers already
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  Speaker 2: started because they have a new head coach, right, And
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  Speaker 2: it was kind of funny listening to Jim Harbaugh speak,
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  Speaker 2: did you see any Everything's great, they're the best, The
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  Speaker 2: team's doing great. It's the best attitude I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: What else is he supposed to say? What else do
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  Speaker 2: you expect him to say? These guys stinks. It's just
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  Speaker 2: there's a reason I'm here. It's just funny. And the
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  Speaker 2: same thing in Washington. You know, it's the hope that
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  Speaker 2: you have with a new staff and and some new players.
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  Speaker 2: You know how many times we've heard that around here
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  Speaker 2: over the years. I know, I know what six head
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  Speaker 2: coaches in the last twelve years. Look, look, I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: with Doug Peterson, don't wrong. And I'm happy with the
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  Speaker 2: direction of this organization. I mean it's it's good. Just
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  Speaker 2: need to get better. But in years past there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we'd have a change in the organization and we're like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna get better, and then it wouldn't happen. It
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  Speaker 2: can always be worse, but you know, you can always hope.
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  Speaker 2: Spring is eternal. I guess, yeah, a good spot right now? Right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean back to back now, But I'm excited about
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  Speaker 2: the Ota is getting started soon. Quite ready for him
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  Speaker 2: to start yet, but you know, I'm excited about it
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of different reasons. One to see some
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  Speaker 2: action on the field, to see some of the new players.
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  Speaker 2: But then I always like it once the draft class
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  Speaker 2: comes in because then you get an idea of what
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  Speaker 2: this team, what their personality may be, what their characteristics
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  Speaker 2: may be. That's when you get a feel. And also
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  Speaker 2: you can get a feel as to Okay, now we
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  Speaker 2: still have a couple holes. What do we have to
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  Speaker 2: address in what I call the late free agent period
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  Speaker 2: Because there's plenty of opportunities for teams to get better
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  Speaker 2: once once you get past the draft, and some teams
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  Speaker 2: need to get better past the draft. The good teams
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  Speaker 2: sometimes wait until after the draft. Take a look at
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  Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens. They don't participate a ton in free
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  Speaker 2: agency at the onset, but they like to do it
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  Speaker 2: after the draft and into June because it helps with
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  Speaker 2: their compensatory pick formula. So they're one of the good
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  Speaker 2: teams at that. You also pick players right the first
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  Speaker 2: time in the draft too, that helps. That's what makes
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  Speaker 2: them good, right They pick good players, they develop them,
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  Speaker 2: and they lose them, and then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: they get a return on their investment, their initial investment
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  Speaker 2: because they're losing good players are getting get paid out.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see their compensatory formula for the year coming
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  Speaker 2: up in twenty twenty five? Lot of picks, it's really good,
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  Speaker 2: and this team right here grabbed a couple of them.
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  Speaker 2: That's helping their compensatory package.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: One position group that the Jags won't have to change
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  Speaker 2: anytime soon, as middle linebacker fo Yer looking good with
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  Speaker 2: the the extension four years, forty five million dollars reportedly
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  Speaker 2: twenty two and a half million fully guaranteed at signing.
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  Speaker 2: He led the league in tackles, of course, in twenty
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  Speaker 2: one and twenty two, finished fourth last season in total
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  Speaker 2: tackles in the NFL. And you like this movie, I
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  Speaker 2: like it. I don't like it. I love it. Why
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  Speaker 2: Because he's a really good football player. He's always available,
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  Speaker 2: he's tough, he's dependable, he plays hard every snap. And
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  Speaker 2: if you look at his film, you can watch plays
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  Speaker 2: one through ten and then watch plays seventy through eighty,
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  Speaker 2: and they look the same, speed wise, effort wise, everything
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  Speaker 2: and trust me. There were some games where he had
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  Speaker 2: eighty snaps. And I'm not joking when I say that
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  Speaker 2: the first ten looked as good as are the last
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  Speaker 2: ten looked as good as the first ten. That's how
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  Speaker 2: good of a player he is now. I think there
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  Speaker 2: was some hope with the draft pick last year out
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  Speaker 2: of Florida Ventre Miller benre Miller, that may be a
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  Speaker 2: Ventro Miller could supplant a Foyer Lucan in the future
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  Speaker 2: and you would maybe have to expend a capital amount
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  Speaker 2: to keep an inside linebacker shot. Nobody's taken Foyer's job.
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  Speaker 2: Man's a stud, stud and he's a leader. That's the
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  Speaker 2: best part about it. Love the way he steps in
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  Speaker 2: front of the huddle, loves the way he holds guy's accountable.
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  Speaker 2: We're showing on jaguars dot Com and JAG's YouTube some
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  Speaker 2: of the highlights of Luca and I forgot about the
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  Speaker 2: pick six against the Saints, first ever touchdown in the ashell.
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  Speaker 2: It was great play, awesome. So yeah, he's all over
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  Speaker 2: the place and he'll be here for a while to come, sir.
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  Speaker 2: He's an every down linebacker and he fills every stat
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  Speaker 2: every category that there is okay, interceptions, sacks, tackles, of course,
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  Speaker 2: he fills that one for enough for two guys cause
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  Speaker 2: fumbles recovered, fumbles, tackles for losses. He fills every category
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  Speaker 2: that there is on the defensive sheet. And remember, I
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  Speaker 2: mean he's spent a season putting other people in the
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  Speaker 2: right place around it as well, and still do it.
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  Speaker 2: And you're talking about two years ago when Devin Lloyd
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  Speaker 2: was a rookie and he was having to get Devin
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  Speaker 2: lined up a little bit. And then this past year,
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  Speaker 2: Devon was doing a good job of handling that himself.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, you saw the improved play by Foyer.
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't want to use this term, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to use it. He didn't have to babysit, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because it's it's the only term that I can think
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  Speaker 2: of comes at the top of my mind, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to use it. But okay, and fortunately Devin
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  Speaker 2: grew up. Devin figured it out you're two of the system,
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  Speaker 2: and was handling it himself. And I expect that Devin
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  Speaker 2: starts to maybe tutor others or mentor others in the future.
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  Speaker 2: Now the trick is, with the system changing some does
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  Speaker 2: everybody adjust the same way. You know, that's something to
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  Speaker 2: worry about, right. I mean, Foyer is a student of
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  Speaker 2: the game, works hard at it, studies his playbook. Highly
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  Speaker 2: intelligent football player and not just a highly intelligent football player.
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  Speaker 2: He's he has instincts, football instincts, football intelligence, which goes
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  Speaker 2: above okay, looking at a sheet and being able to
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  Speaker 2: fill out a multiple choice or a fill in the
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  Speaker 2: blank test on a game plan. A guy, he's some
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  Speaker 2: guys just know and anticipate. When you watch Foyer play,
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  Speaker 2: he's always when you watch his reaction time to where
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  Speaker 2: the to what the play is actually gonna be, he's
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  Speaker 2: at least a half a step to a full step
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  Speaker 2: ahead of most people because he studies the game and
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  Speaker 2: he's got great instincts. Join us Tuesday, April sixteenth, from
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  Speaker 2: JP Shadwick, Jeff Logoman. We'll hear from every second of
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  Speaker 2: a pro football focus in less than ten minutes about
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  Speaker 2: where there might be some value at number seventeen. Overall
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  Speaker 2: three weeks to the draft logs, and I know, in
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  Speaker 2: the weeks leading up to the draft you start really
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  Speaker 2: grinding on this prospect tape. This is your time of
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  Speaker 2: year to get into these key position groups, certainly the
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  Speaker 2: ones that Jaguars could be after, but you really love
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  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks too, right, Yeah, when You're saying that this
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  Speaker 2: is the time of year that I'll be sitting there
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  Speaker 2: watching the film of these college prospects, okay with my
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  Speaker 2: with my Microsoft surface and you know, great sponsors. All
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, forty five minutes an hour into it,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's hit me in my nose, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because you know it's at night. You know, you're tired,
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  Speaker 2: You're trying to watch you know, four or five guys,
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're sitting there and you're
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  Speaker 2: laying back on the couch and you're kind of holding it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, on your chest, and and all of a sudden, damn,
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  Speaker 2: something hit you. Waking up and you're like, oh, whoa wait,
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  Speaker 2: I fell asleep. But no, I enjoy watching I've been
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  Speaker 2: watching the quarterbacks and the quarterbacks I think I have
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  Speaker 2: a big impact on what will be available to the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars at seventeen. And that's one of the reasons why
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  Speaker 2: I've been watching him. Because of the potential for five
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks to go before the Jaguars pick. It's pretty amazing, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't happen too often, even when there
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  Speaker 2: are really good quarterback classes. Sometimes it spreads out enough
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  Speaker 2: where there aren't that many in the first half of
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  Speaker 2: a first round. But who are a few yet your
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  Speaker 2: eyes on this week? I mean, obviously, Caleb Williams is
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  Speaker 2: the guy, former Heisman winner out of southern California, so
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people are saying, a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: pundits think he's going to be the number one overall
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  Speaker 2: pick to the Chicago Bears. So what stands out about
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams in the film that you've seen. He is
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  Speaker 2: so smooth. I mean when I say smooth, he's so athletic,
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  Speaker 2: and he is a total Joe cool, never gets flush, start,
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  Speaker 2: never panics, is super athletic to escape from something and
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  Speaker 2: then create something. And it's fun to watch a talented arm,
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  Speaker 2: live arm, accurate arm put all that together and then
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  Speaker 2: you have a generational player, fantastic player. I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: is probably I think one of the best quarterbacks since
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  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence to come out. And he's got it all.
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  Speaker 2: He's got it all. I love it. And what I
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  Speaker 2: think impresses me the most is what he does when
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  Speaker 2: the plays break down. So there's a lot of quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: and in the NFL, you've got to survive in a system. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but the exceptional ones. Take a look at Patrick Mahomes
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  Speaker 2: in Kansas City. The exceptional ones and I hate to
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  Speaker 2: use this term, but I'm gonna use it. Play above
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  Speaker 2: the x's and o's, and it's when things become off
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  Speaker 2: the written or off schedule plays and now the player
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  Speaker 2: has to create something on his own. And that's where
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Caleb Williams really really shot. It's because he's so
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  Speaker 2: athletic and then the arm talent from any position is
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  Speaker 2: there all the time. About the off the field stuff,
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  Speaker 2: there's some critics of him and his personality away from
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  Speaker 2: the game, and how does that trans what it's the
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  Speaker 2: criticism tell me that some of it. You know, there
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  Speaker 2: was a moment last year where he came off the
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  Speaker 2: field was went to crying with his mom was there
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  Speaker 2: in the front row. I remember Pete prisco on half
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  Speaker 2: the hour of the week after it was all over him,
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  Speaker 2: partly because Bisselli was here. But there's some of that, right,
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  Speaker 2: What do you make of that? Can can? Is that
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  Speaker 2: overblown because there's so much attention put on him because
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  Speaker 2: many people expected him to be the first overall pick,
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  Speaker 2: whether it bean last year or this year. So there's
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  Speaker 2: so much attention on him as a player because of that.
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  Speaker 2: Is it? Is it the microscope effect? Maybe? But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think you're always going to find a flall with
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  Speaker 2: somebody if you look hard and long enough. But I
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  Speaker 2: think for the most part, this is an exceptional football player,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people are maybe turned off because, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to go visit all the teams and
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to do stuff at the combine. I
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  Speaker 2: don't blame him one bit. I mean, he's he's the
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  Speaker 2: first overall pick, hands down. Does he need to go
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  Speaker 2: through all those hoops to be able to make people
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  Speaker 2: satisfied across the board? I'm okay with him not doing
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  Speaker 2: any of that stuff. Yeah, I mean, turn on the film, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: look at the class guy that he's been so far.
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  Speaker 2: Go watch the UCLA game from two seasons ago at
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  Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl. It is unbelievable. I'm backing forth up
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  Speaker 2: and down the field, him and Dorian Timeson Robinson back
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  Speaker 2: and forth all game long. It was Okay, since we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about games, Okay, I'm going to go to another
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  Speaker 2: quarterback because he's on my list and he's not really
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  Speaker 2: I want to say he's in the top three, but
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  Speaker 2: I have him on this list to talk about today
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  Speaker 2: because this is a guy that could sneak in somewhere
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  Speaker 2: into the first round and maybe even before the Jaguars pick.
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  Speaker 2: Who Michael Pennix. And the reason I bring him up
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  Speaker 2: now is because you talk about Caleb Williams against you
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  Speaker 2: CLA two years ago. Did you watch Michael Pennix against Texas?
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  Speaker 2: Was fantastic? Holy cow, the deep balls that he threw.
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  Speaker 2: And what I love about him is that, I mean
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  Speaker 2: super live arm. Him and Drake May I think have
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  Speaker 2: exceptional arms. And I think that's what makes those two
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  Speaker 2: guys the second and third best quarterbacks I think in
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  Speaker 2: this draft. But Pennix has the size, he's athletic, he
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  Speaker 2: has exceptional deep exceptional exceptional live arm with deep ball ability.
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  Speaker 2: I like him, and I know that there are some
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  Speaker 2: concerns about him injury wise, and that's natural. But this
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  Speaker 2: is a guy that if all of a sudden, he
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  Speaker 2: ends up slipping up in front of the jack Wars
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  Speaker 2: and some of the other quarterbacks go as expected Jayden Daniels,
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  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, if all of a sudden, all those guys
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  Speaker 2: go up ahead of the Jaguars as well, the Jaguars
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  Speaker 2: are going to have a lot to pick from that
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  Speaker 2: they really like. And it's not going to be an
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  Speaker 2: easy decision because a lot of players are going to
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  Speaker 2: get pushed back because the quarterbacks that are in the
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  Speaker 2: top of the draft. Let's get one more quarterback in
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  Speaker 2: you've been watching, and it's from Chapel Hill and from
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  Speaker 2: North Carolina. Drake May. Yeah big. I mean, he's got
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  Speaker 2: all the measurables right, six ' four, two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: thirty pounds, got an arm that is lights out, and
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  Speaker 2: what I like about him, does a really good ball
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  Speaker 2: job of getting the ball out faster than like a
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. You know, as far as reading reacting Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: Part of the reason why he takes a little bit
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  Speaker 2: longer to get the ball out on average. Also is
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  Speaker 2: because he extends the play and uses his athleticism. But
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  Speaker 2: May does a good job of really staying within the
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  Speaker 2: structure of the scheme and getting the ball out reading defenses.
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  Speaker 2: Now there are times that he has a miss, but
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  Speaker 2: it's not because of a flawed footwork or flawed arm
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  Speaker 2: or any of that nature. If Caleb Williams is not
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  Speaker 2: in this draft, Drake May is the hands down top
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  Speaker 2: of the class, first overall pick, and it's not even
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  Speaker 2: a debate because he's that talented of a quarterback. I
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  Speaker 2: want to end on this question here. You mentioned Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Williams is a generational prospect or could be, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: so how many times how many generational players can you
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  Speaker 2: actually have in one generation? I feel like it's an
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  Speaker 2: overused terms. Trevor was the one, right, that's only like
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  Speaker 2: four years ago. If we go back and say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: would generational quarterbacks okay and use of that label. I
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  Speaker 2: used it on Caleb Williams, I've used it on Trevor
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  Speaker 2: Lawrence and I've used it and then it's just me personally.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if other people have you that are
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  Speaker 2: not Patrick Mahomes just because of and I said this
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago, I said, he's the greatest quarterback
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  Speaker 2: I ever watched film on. I remember that, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that those three guys in recent time, Now, how
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  Speaker 2: can you have three in one generation? Understand your you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean, understand your totally. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: an overused term. I think there's a way to say it.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't know what that term would be. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but that's the point is that you think he is
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  Speaker 2: up here with those caliber plays. I believe he is,
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  Speaker 2: and but yeah, I mean, I think it's a better
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad that you asked a question because it kind
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  Speaker 2: of clarifies what my definition of a generational talent would be.
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  Speaker 2: And so by giving people those ideas, Peyton manning generational
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  Speaker 2: talent when he was coming out. I wasn't a big
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  Speaker 2: fan of Ryan Leaf, you know. I mean, let's go
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: back to the early eighties, right, Marino and Elway were
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: in the same draft. Well, many people didn't view Dan
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Reno as a generational talent, and he slid because they
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  Speaker 2: thought the marijuana stuff or whatever. He slid down the draft.
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  Speaker 2: John Elway, there was a little bit of question him
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: about his commitment to football with baseball sitting out there,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: so a lot of people didn't view him as that,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: but he was the pick and he was yeah, and
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: turned out turned out to be a Federational Hall of
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Fame player, Hall of Fame player Jim Kelly, many people
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: viewed as a one of those types, one of those
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: great players. But it's a good that you asked that
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: question and you bring that up, because I think it
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: clarifies that it's not necessarily once per generation. It's probably
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: more it's another upper category. These are the top of
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: this tworeation exactly back in the moment, plenty more ahead semantics,
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  Speaker 2: I guess at this point. Yeah, but that's a big
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: that makes a big, big difference. I think if you
• 18:43
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• 18:46
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  Speaker 2: dip V? You said, d V I very very important
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  Speaker 2: for people. Yeah, I thought you were a little confused there.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, hmm, it's possibly coming up with a
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  Speaker 2: new term the proceeding. We've got to figure out a
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  Speaker 2: new term for generational. So I figured we get started, right,
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  Speaker 2: what do we you know, how do we figure this
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  Speaker 2: out the next what thirty eight seven? I don't know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: but we're going to work on it. Generational we're going
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to work on it. Quarterback of a decade every I mean,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: how do you do that? What's the just the definition
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: of a generation twenty years? I don't know it twenty
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: or is it third twenty five? I don't know. That's
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: first of all, we've we got to find generational Yeah,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: well let's take a few minutes and we'll work behind
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  Speaker 2: Joe figure that out. Yeah, our crack research staff. Yes,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: three weeks to the draft, and it's of course a
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: busy time for everyone in the pre draft process, but
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: certainly those at Pro Football Focus and NFL Draft analyst
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Trevor Sikhim earlier today caught up with him and discuss
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars at number seventeen and the possibilities of a
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: why receiver or a top tier cornerback in the first round.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Those are three receiving corps now that the Jaggers have
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: to go up against twice a year.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: That is tough.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, as deep as talented, and like you said,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: it puts a little bit more pressure on them potentially
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: going corner in the first round at number seventeen. Overall,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: maybe they feel aggressive enough to maybe move up and
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: go get the top CBCB one in this draft, because
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: it feels like it's hard to believe that no corner
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: would go before number seventeen. But I again, any of these
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: guys would be on the board for them to play
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: opposite Tyson Campbell. I like Quinion Mitchell a lot from Toledo.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I think that he's probably gonna be the first cornerback
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: off the board. It's just hard to not look at
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: what he has done over the last two years and
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: feel like there was something that he left on the
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: table or that there was a box that was unchecked.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: He's got good size, he's got incredible speed. He saw
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: him in off coverage rolls over the last two years
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: elite PFF grades in coverage, which is extremely impressive. Had
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: the most forced incompletions of any cornerback in college football
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: over the last two years, a handful of interceptions as well,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: with good ball skills. The really the only question with
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: him was, hey, can you play him in press? Can
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: you play him in man? Because he was a big
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: off coverage defender at Toledowen. You know, I think that
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: they did a really good job of the senior bowl
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: of saying, Okay, we've seen you play off coverage a lot,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: now come in and what do you like in press?
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: And they lined him in press.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And what did he do well?
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: He basically just shut down every receiver that he went
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: up again, so checks all those boxes. I think he'd
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: be phenomenal choice for Jacksonville if they have the opportunity
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: to take them. Your tear around Arnold from Alabama Kole
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Ay mckinstrey, his teammate at Alabama as well, could be
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: really solid players, especially again in a situation where you
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: already have Campbell, who is an ascending young cornerback and
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: one of the best young corners in the game. I
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: think that getting that elite outside cornerback duo is paramount to,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: like you said, being able to keep pace with a
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: lot of the teams in this division. And you don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: always want to make more your moves based on someone else.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: But I do feel as though Jacksonville kind of made
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of their moves in and kind of like
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: what they wanted to do in free agency and so
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: the draft. Could you could argue that, Okay, it could
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: be a little bit more reactionary, and that's not necessarily
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: a bad thing, especially if you get a really good
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: football player on your team. So I think that, yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: when you look at the rest of that division, having
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: to play all those teams and those offenses at least
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: twice a year piece, that definitely ups the pressure to
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: make your secondary as good as it can be.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Trevor second and Pro Football Focus at Tampa Bay tray
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: on X. Well, that's one philosophy is to defend it
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit better. Well, the other one is to
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: you know, fight fire with fire and add some more
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: offensive weaponry for Trevor Lawrence at wide receiver and the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Jaguars historically in the early rounds have not drafted a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: lot of wide receivers. Only nine all time in the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: first three rounds have been selected by the Jaguars. Only
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: one of those, Trevor has made it to a second contract,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and that was Marquise Lee. The last first round draft
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: pick for the Jags at wide receiver was Justin Blackman
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: in twenty twelve. So they haven't historically fared well in
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: this department. But if they were to go the wide
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: receiver route, is there something there middle of the first round?
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there absolutely is. And the good thing
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: about it is. You know, Jacksonville's sitting here, They've got
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: a second round pick, they got a third round compick
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: right now. I think that you could even maybe get
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: an impact receiver in the second and third round as well.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: But I don't, you know, the big question is, Hey,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: this wide receiver class is so good, it's so deep,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: it's so talented. Does that deter you from taking one
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: in the first round because you think you get win
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: a little bit later. I think it's an interesting conversation
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: for teams to have, but I would tell you that
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't really let the thought of that get in
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: the way of me taking a guy who I think
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: could be a wide receiver one on my team. And
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I think that when you look at an ad Mitchell
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: from Texas Brian Thomas Junior from LSU, those are two
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: of the wide receivers that I think could be in
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: that sweet spot off still available, but really high impact
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: players for them at number seventeen. If they don't move, it's.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: It really is.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I think that both of those guys their games aren't
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: perfect yet, you know, it's not as well rounded as
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: it could be for either of them. But I mean,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: you just look at the athletic baseline for both of
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: these guys. I mean, Ady Mitchell, relative athletics scorer, one
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: of the best wide receivers that we've seen over the
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: last you know, five six years. You know, you look
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: at Brian Thomas junior. Okay, primarily a vertical threat type
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: of guy. But while he is hopefully rounding out what
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: he could be as an all around receiver, what he
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: does now is that vertical guy is pretty dang unstoppable.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: And we saw that in the SEC at LSU this
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: past year, almost two hundred and ten pounds runts of
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: four to three, three forty yard dash. And it was funny.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I was looking over some Jaden Daniels film the other day.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I was looking at how he was as a quarterback
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: when it came to throws on the run and scrambling.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: So I was looking at a handful of those plays,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: and there's just one throw where he just absolutely fits
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: it straight into the bucket, right in the bread basket
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: for Brian Thomas Junior. He's got about forty forty five
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: yards before he gets the end zone. He puts his
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: foot in the ground and he accelerates and you go, WHOA, Okay,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: there it is, there's the four to three three we
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: see it. That's a difference making level speed, even at
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: the NFL level. So you can't help but think about,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: all right, if your picture and that guy in Jags
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: colors and a Jags jersey, what it could be with
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence looking deep for him and connecting with him
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: in a vertical threat for this offense. So those are
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the two guys that consistently go to if they're gonna
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: stick in the middle of the first round. You're hoping
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that one of Brian Thomas Junior or Aby Mitchell from
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Texas is going to be there for you. And they also,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: because of their athleticism, feel like Trent Bulky types. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I feel like they're gonna both be on the Jags radar.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: As well as Trevor Sikoma of Pro Football Focus at
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay, Trey on x JP Shadow, Jeff Logoman. They
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: have full conversation coming soon on Jaguars dot Com Jaguars
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: social media. Yeah, I mean those are two position groups
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of people who are picking to the Jaguars logs,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: So you know, I'm still kind of on the corner
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: train myself. I mean, you can't have too many good cornerbacks,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: especially with a division that's loading up on wide receiver talent. No,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and the good thing is is that the team kind
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of filled some holes at both of those positions and
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: free agency, and so that helps, I think going in
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the draft. So you feel like that, hey, if you're
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: making that call, hey, we're comfortable with what we have.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Let's just take the best player that's on our board.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: If it's a wide receiver, great, if it's a defensive
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: tackle great, if it's an offensive tackle, great. I'm okay
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: with that. Just take the best player, the ones that
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: are going to give you the best chance to succeed,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: because you know, at the end of the day, when
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you have the best players, that's all that matters, because
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: you can end up getting compensatory picks for other players
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that move on or you know, look, this team has
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: tried to fill holes in the past by drafting for need,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't always work out and you end up
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: having a player who never even gets to a second
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: contract sometimes. So that's why you always draft the best players. Yeah,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: and I mentioned that wide receiver stat in the question
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to I looked that up earlier today because I knew
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: obviously it wasn't great, and so I just tried to
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: figure out how not great it was. Repeat that again,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: because I mean some people might not have heard that,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: and you're seeing it on your screen on Jaguars dot com.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars in rounds one, two, or three all time
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: have selected nine wide receivers in that stretch. Only one
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: of them has signed a second deal with the team,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: and that was Marquise Lee. The others, for one reason
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: or another, never made it to a second deal or
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: never made it through their first deal with the team,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Justin Blackman being one of those twenty twelve, Well, and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: leave that chart up there. I mean, let's let's talk
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: about them. RJ. Soward, some players you don't get to
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: a second contract because look, you're you're in some kind
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: of financial straits to where you can't afford to do that,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: right right, So two thousand Soward, Matt Williams, Okay, No, No, RJ. Soward,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Hey bus across the board, Bus
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: three of them. Bus all first round picks, by the way.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Oh seven, Mike Simms Walker the third round pick twenty twelve,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Justin Blackman, first round pick plus he had issues. He
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: was an incredible player when he was out there, but
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: he wasn't out there long. Uh. Twenty fourteen, two different
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: second round picks, Mark Eastlee and Alan Robinson, and both
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: of those guys good football players that could have warned
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: a second contract. So Marquise did he got They made
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a choice there, they picked one of the other. They
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: chose Mark Eastley and then Alan Robinson moved on and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Lee got hurt after that and pretty much was done
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: by the way, and it was Davante Turpin whoever it
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: was Atlanta Falcons, total cheap show. It was like a
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: preseason season game, and he took him out at the knee. Terrible,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I remember that terrible. DJ Shark twenty eighteen second wasn't
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: by the way, it was somebody else. You're just accusing people.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I can't remember it. He was CAZy. It was Caz
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah, Chark was a good player but didn't
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: get a second deal here. Well, good player, but really
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: it's not like he left here and put up big numbers.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Kind of been a journeyman the rest of the time.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So I mean in Leviscus chanal H who just picked
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: him up to do to add him to maybe do
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: some kick returning stuff, because he when when they traded
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: him to Carolina, he has really had very few catches total.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Seahawks just signed seat and they were kind of pumping
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: them up, like, oh yeah, with the new kickoff return rules.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: He's a good acquisition. And I'm going I mean, there's
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: one way to find out preseason and then if it
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't work out. But I mean that that's staggering. I
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: mean drafts now, remember a lot of this time in
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the mid two thousands, this was a run first team, right,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, d and Maurice doesn't matter. David Garrard is
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: a quarterback. Terrible job of drafting in rounds one, two,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and three at that position. Terrible. Yeah, and in the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: league has become a passing league. That's the whole point.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I think the reason why this team was run heavies
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: because the draft picks that we just saw were not
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: very good, and the quarterbacks picks weren't very cut. There's
• 31:08
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  Speaker 2: love following the draft. I mean, I'm gonna watch the draft.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Why not do a radio show? And you know, I'm
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: a little bit more vested in it, you know, because
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I'm watching these guys and I don't necessarily rank or
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: stack a board, but I kind of in my mind
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: when when I when I see a pick, then I
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: sit there and I go, was that the right move
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to make? I'm like, why did they pick that guy?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Or I love that pick? You know, you kind of
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: love it because then you kind of go back in
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: years later and look at the draft and you go, yeah,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: see I was right, or boy I was totally wrong
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: on that one. Trust me, there's been many of them.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I think everybody can say that. Oh yeah, I mean
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: that's why it's every g It's a percentages game. Yeah. Now,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: good football teams are the ones that realize that it
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: is a percentage game and that they're not always going
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: to be right, and that the sooner that they admit
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: that they made a mistake, the better off they're going
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: to be. When teams continue to try to hold on
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: to what is a mistake, or they continue to believe
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: that they have the answer, we can fix it, and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: they ignore that position in the future, that's where teams
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: get in trouble. They have to ruse. And I remember
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: talking to Bill Polling about this, and I asked him, so, Bill,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: what's the most important thing that you've learned to the
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: job of being a general manager? And he said, you
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: never can be attached to your picks to the point
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: to where you make mistakes in the future because you
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: have such a strong belief in them. You have to
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: believe in them. But you can only carry that belief
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: so far. It can't be blind faith. It's got to
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: be a smart move with the understanding that it is
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: a percentage game. Blind faith. Great one album band, by
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the way, Yeah, very true. What was one of the
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: members of that band, Eric Clapton. The most famous one
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: of that band, Steve Winwood there with him two big
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: name Ginger Baker was the drummer. For get who the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: bass player was. I don't know. Let's keep it player.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It's time to keep it real here in our copic
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: today on keeping it real. How concerned are you about
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the Houston Texans trading for wide receiver Stefan Diggs from
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the Bills. I'm kind of excited about excited really? Yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: where where's Stefan? Where's Stefan Digg's ever been?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Where?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It's been a good situation and everybody's happy. I mean
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: they're happy when they win games exactly. Okay, he's it's
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: kind of a it's he is a good hand when
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: things are going well. Okay, Okay, he's not a He's
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: not one of those players when times get tough, we're
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: gonna circle the wagons and depend and lean on the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: veterans and the leadership. Is he one of those guys? JP?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Do you think based on what you've seen over the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: last five or six years. I mean you could argue, no, yeah,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: he's not that guy. No, he's but he's really damn good.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: He's good. I don't know if he's really damn good.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: He's good. If I'm the Houston Texans. You're questioning it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I am not. I am First of all, I am
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: not gonna pay him, of which they don't have a
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: big financial responsibility. Yeah, they I'm not gonna give up
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: for him. Yeah. The Texans apparently wiped out the final
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: three years of the contract the reports just moments ago,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: and he has the ability to become a free agent
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: after this coming season. So the Texans also took the
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: three and a half million dollars guaranteed next season and
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: moved it into this season. So that assures digs of
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: twenty two and a half million guaranteed this year. The
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: only good thing is that the Texans didn't give a
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: whole lot up. It was really not a whole lot
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: from a draft picks standpoint. What was it like a second,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't it. I don't think it was. I don't think
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: it was that high. I thought it was later than
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: that double check then, But I mean, I don't think it.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: And look, here's the reality. If he's a good player
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: for them, if he's a happy camper. There was a
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four to sixth round pick and a twenty
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: five fifth round pick, which has changed for a second
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: in twenty five and the receiver, which is nothing. Yeah, okay,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: you're right, so the cost was virtually nothing nothing, So
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: you're if Diggs is happy, okay, then you've got a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: wide receiver corp in Houston. That's oh my goodness. So
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: if he's happy, you don't like six straight years over
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: a thousand yards. No, I like it, but I don't
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: like the headaches that go along with it. You remember
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: last year we got supposed I got thrown out of
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the building or left the building. And then who hasn't
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: been thrown out of a building? Seriously? Come on, I'm
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: kidding yours. I'm kidding. I haven't lately, No, not yet anyway, Yeah,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm especially with a young quarterback. How did we
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: play against him last year? Let me just fit with
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: a young quarterback to where you have a really, really
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: a strong receiver room already, and with a young receiving room,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not bringing that in there. If it's me, I'm not.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons why Buffalo said we've
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: had enough. Were just get this guy out of here.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And I don't know what was the last straw that
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: made the Buffalo Bills just say, look, we're done. I mean,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: was it him Diggs making a comment on social media
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: about how important he was to the success of Josh
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Allen kind of how he made Josh Allen. I don't
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: know if it was that or if they just had
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: enough from last year. All right, it went over a
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: thousand yards last year. But his last one hundred yard
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: game was Week six. He had five of the first
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: six games one hundred yards, eight for one twenty one
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: against the Jags, including a touchdown right before halftime in London. Remember, no, no,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I totally get it. I'm just out of I'm not
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: a fan. Not a fan, especially when you already have
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: two really good wide receivers and when you in free
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: agency you could have gotten some other players that didn't
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: have that baggage that go along with them. But if
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: he's right, if he's in a good headspace, look out.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I don't like if players can that system can They
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: don't like if players, But can the Houston system absorb that?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: That's the question. It's so new to You got to
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: have a strong locker room to have a have a
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: player like that, you do. You gotta have strong You
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: gotta have strong locker room, and you got to have
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: strong coach now, Demiko Ryan strong coach. I think Demiico
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: can handle that. Can the locker room, I don't know.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Can the can that room handle that? I don't know.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he's a terrible bad guy, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that if things are going well,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: yeah he's he's all for If he's getting the ball,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: yeah he's all for it. Yeah we're yeah, go team.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: If he doesn't get some targets all sudden, he's gonna
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: mope around. And and you've got a second year quarterback
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: and c J. Stroud. Do you want see J. Stroud
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to have to deal with that?
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Ah?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Not me. That was keeping it real as we do
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: each and every week on xl AM, Jaguars dot Com,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Jaguars YouTube. Jaked Shadwick jan here's a fact though. Oh boy,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: you better get some corners, right, you got somebody's gotta
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: defend these. If he if he's happy they've got that. Now.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: The Texans have got three really good wide receivers. The
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: rookie that they had last year, Tank Dell. Yeah, I
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: mean runs via people. It sounded fast. The big wide
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: receiver that's got great speed. Oh god, yeah, the other guy,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the other guy. Yeah, I mean, I mean they've got
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: two burners, and now you add this guy if he's happy.
• 41:58
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• 43:16
  Speaker 2: put out the cat signal earlier today. Here's the best
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: we've come up with at shrekspositos six ' nine. How
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: much do you think the team would realistically give up
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: for a trade up to get one of the top
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: three receivers and in your opinion, would it be worth it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I would think Marvin Harrison is the top receiver. I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: don't think you're getting there. Yeah, I don't think you
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: need to. No. I mean, why would you want to
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: get up, trade up and to get up into that
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: stratosphere because it would be extremely costly. Okay, if you're
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: going to get up there and get Harrison, you're gonna
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: have to get to what to pick three or four?
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Probably four or five because the quarterbacks are probably going
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: at least the top three, okay, the top four Okay,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: so four or five and then the next highest rated
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: wide receiver according to my list, is Neighbors out of LSU. Okay,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: so you're looking at four, maybe six. You you might
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: have to give up a future one to get up
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that high from seventeen, right, I mean because oh yeah,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: the future one gets valued as a current two, so
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: you'd have to give up a two and then something
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: and you're not gonna do that. It's not worth it. Supposedly,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: it's a very deep wide receiver draft. And here's the thing.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I think all future drafts are going to be very
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: deep wide receiver drafts just because of the college game.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's become a passing game. There's more developed
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: wide receivers than there used to be in the past.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think you trade up to do that. I'm
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: not a big fan of trading up anywhere AJP. Why
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: because it's a percentages game. You need bodies right when
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: you start trading up, then you're losing, okay, the percentages
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: game because you're not keeping the picks and the cost
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: is prohibitive. Yeah, it's becoming a wide receiver game in
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the NFL, right, but it's a different style of game.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: There's more space in college football, right because of the
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: hashmarks and the way it's played, the figuring out the
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: transition how guys can transition, and then at the line
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: when you've got press coverage. In the NFL, it's a
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: different world, and some wide receivers have a little bit
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: of struggle in their first season adapting to the NFL game. Yeah,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: very few wide receivers coming to the league and have
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: a Jamar Chase type of year. It doesn't happen, or
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: a Justin Jefferson type of rookie season. It doesn't happen.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: So you got to have a little patience. But to
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: answer the initial question, I'm not doing it. Okay, the
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: cost is prohibitive. Stay where you are and pick a
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: wide receiver then, or pick a wide receiver in round two.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: That's okay. I know a former Jags head coach that
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: probably would have wanted to do it. Thank goodness, you
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: got around two. Yeah, that's right. Okay, let's not forget
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: it's true. They could have lost that, which would have
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: been a mistake. That was a good move by Trent
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Balky letting him walk or let not signing him before
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the league year, not sign before the calendar year, and
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: then so then you have to allow him to be
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: able to hear other offers, and then that's what happens.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: That's what happened. You don't give up a second round
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: pick for a guy like that. I mean, let's not
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: forget to give it a third round pick for that's okay,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: because you thought you were gonna hit, it didn't hit.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: It was okay. Yeah, but let's not forget that there
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: was some troubles last year. Everything didn't go perfectly. Okay,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: he got a thousand yards, but he got to a
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: thousand yards because it was so many injuries. Elsewhere does
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: he get to a thousand yards if all those injuries
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: don't don't happen elsewhere, If all those injuries happen elsewhere,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: he's probably getting playoff yardage. Everybody's happy. Yeah, but the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: regular season numbers wouldn't have been over a thousand. Yeah,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: but they would have been the playoffs. And who cares?
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not in his head. Maybe he does care. I
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: don't know. It doesn't matter, but I think the Jaguars
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: did a good thing. You gotta cover him now too,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: by the way, Tennessee, Okay, Calvin, one thing about wide receivers.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Give me a wide receiver that's like Tank Dell or
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: just we were talking about the other wide receiver Nico
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Collins for the Texans. Those guys can fly. Okay, I
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: worry about covering those guys. Did you ever see Colvin
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Ridley get great separation or run by a guy with
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: great speed in training camp? In a game? He was
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: wide open? Remember training camp out here, they thought he
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: was Jerry Rice. You're talking about practice. I'm just telling you,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: we're really talking about the first half of the Colts
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: game Week one. Yeah. Remember he had like one hundred
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: yards in the first half. Did he run by anybody?
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: He caught a touchdown in the back of the end zone,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I know, but did he run by Nokay? No, he's
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: an excellent, solid slot player. Let me, let me, let
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: me give you this question. I can't wait. Because you
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: have Christian Kirk and you have Calvin Redley. They're kind
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: of similar players. Okay, okay, if you had to pick one,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: which one would you take? Oh? Kirk? Wait Kirk all day?
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Because when he went down that's when the season went
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: really awry. He was the guy. There's your answer. He
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: was the guy. Let's get one more question, and it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: a tough one actually coming up at Jay Fix eighty eight.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Who do you think is a Day two or Day
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: three steel for this year's draft? Well, this is hard
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: because you got to start digging into all these smaller
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: schools and things. I'm gonna switch the question around. Okay,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: who do you think is the best late round steal
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: for the Jags in their history? A guy that was
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: a late draft pick that worked out more than you
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: would have thought. And let's say from the fourth round on,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Telvin Smith comes to mind. Excellent pick in the fifth round,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: great speed and watching pause and Telvin Smith in their
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: heyday was pure joy. Gosh through some other ones. Cecil
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Shortz was a fourth rounder. I think, yeah, he's fourth.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I mean, that's not late. Yeah, gosh, that's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: great question. You got a minute. I don't know, it's tough. Yeah,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I'd have to see the list. Elvin's a pretty good
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: pick though, but I mean Telvin jumps out right away.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Did we ever figure out another word for generational? We
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: did not? We uh? We failed? Wow? We failed. That's
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: unlike us being masters of the English line enguage at all.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: How QB of the decade, he's a quarterback of a
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: decade of a ten to fifteen to twenty years. Every
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: ten year somewhere in that ballpark. That's Jeff Logovan I'm
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: JP Schadricker. Thanks to Joe Fortunado and Brent Reeber, and
• 50:14
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