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Inside the Kansas House Judiciary Committee Hearing: What a Judge Said About Family Courts Should Alarm Every Parent · The Stand with Meg Show

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  SPEAKER_00: So, um what if you walked into a courthouse expecting justice and you know you walked out without your children?
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: And not knowing when, or or even if you'd see them again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell That's uh that's heavy right from the jump.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is but but that is exactly the question at the very center of this massive stack of documents we're looking at today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell Yeah, we've got quite a bit to go through today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus We do.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are going on a really profound, incredibly detailed, deep dive into the events surrounding the March 5, 2026 Kansas House Judiciary Committee hearings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we should lay out exactly what we're looking at here.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have uh written testimonies, sworn affidavits, legal motions, and follow-up letters.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus Right, all submitted by desperate parents from across the state of Kansas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're all detailing their realities regarding the child custody and child support system.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the setting of these hearings is really crucial to understand.
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  SPEAKER_00: This wasn't just some casual town hall meeting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, no, this was a formal legislative committee.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, led by Chair Representative Susan Humphreys and Vice Chair Representative Laura Williams.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus And alongside members like uh Representative John Carmichael.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they convened specifically to hear direct testimony about how the family court system is actually operating on the ground.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus Operating versus how it's supposed to operate.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And our mission for this deep dive today is to extract the core themes from this incredibly dense, um, very emotionally charged stack of information.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because we're looking at the actual mechanics of the system, the administrative processes, and that friction between the theoretical application of the law and the reality these parents are documenting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But uh before we get into the specifics of these testimonies, I think we need to establish some boundaries for this deep dive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are looking at sources that deal with the most personal and painful aspects of human life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're talking about the separation of families.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell It doesn't get much more sensitive than that.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, it doesn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we are impartially reporting the contents of these incredibly emotional sources.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are not taking sides.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are not endorsing any specific viewpoints or declaring any individual right or wrong in their specific legal battles.
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  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our goal is just to explore the systemic breakdowns that are being reported and to understand that intense friction between the parents' lived experiences and the legal framework that they're navigating.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell And that friction really is the defining characteristic of this entire stack of documents.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there is a profound, almost jarring disconnect here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_00: A huge disconnect.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Between the official narrative of how the judiciary is supposed to function and the reality presented by the citizens who are actually utilizing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Powell Right, because the theoretical model is one of, you know, a careful, equitable system weighing evidence to protect the vulnerable.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the reality described in these testimonies is one of complete administrative chaos.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, insurmountable financial barriers and what many of these parents characterize as unchecked authority.
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  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Powell Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And to really grasp the magnitude of that disconnect.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we should start with the testimony of Alan Broadbent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: The veteran from Sedgwick County.
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  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Powell Yes, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: His background brings a really specific lens to how we view government systems.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he is a 23-year U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Army combat veteran.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell 23 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he served three tours in Iraq.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he is currently 100% disabled through the VA, which actually includes a 70% rating specifically for service connected PTSD.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell So this is an individual whose entire adult life has been defined by structure duty and the defense of the rule of law.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a military background inherently relies on the concept that rules, when they're written, will be followed by the chain of command.
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  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Broadbend's testimony centers on his total shock at discovering that the family court system, in his view, does not operate with that same structural integrity at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: He details a decade-long ordeal in the system.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ten years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ten years.
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  SPEAKER_01: And during that time, he exhausted nearly$100,000 in resources.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the outcome of that 10-year,$100,000 process was that just prior to his testimony, he lost all contact with both of his daughters.
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  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Powell It's just devastating.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he submitted a follow-up letter to the committee on March 6th, so the day after the hearings, which really crystallizes this conflict between the official record and the lived experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: What did he say in the letter?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, he specifically addresses the testimonies given by government officials, and he names them Judge Hogan, Judge Rausch, and legislative research staffer Natalie Nelson.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so he's directly addressing their claims.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Broadband notes that these officials painted a picture of a functional operational system.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he writes that hearing this official narrative was deeply disappointing when contrasted with the reality of parents who were, in his exact words, barely surviving.
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  SPEAKER_01: The tone of that follow-up letter is actually fascinating because he he apologizes for a moment during his initial testimony.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, the the nonsense company.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Out of frustration with that official narrative, he used the word nonsense to describe the testimonies of the judges.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in his letter, he states his intent wasn't to disparage them as individuals.
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  SPEAKER_01: He writes, I too defend my colleagues when I perceive them as being slandered.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a very measured, very military approach to a breach of decorum.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is.
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  SPEAKER_01: He retracts the slight against their character, but he absolutely refuses to back down from his core assertion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which is that they are totally misrepresenting the reality on the ground.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he replaces that frustration with a highly specific phrase.
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  SPEAKER_00: He calls it weaponized negligence.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Weaponized negligence.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is a heavy term.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really is.
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  SPEAKER_00: When a combat veteran with three tours in Iraq looks at a domestic legal system and uses a term like weaponized negligence, it implies something far beyond just simple bureaucratic inefficiency.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's asserting that the failure to adhere to laws, procedures, and criteria is not an accident at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, it has become a functional tool of the system itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he explicitly calls out child support services, guardians, ad lightum, the department for children and families, and judges.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he states that physical evidence is repeatedly overlooked in favor of hearsay with absolute zero accountability.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this introduces a concept that we're going to see repeated throughout all these documents.
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  SPEAKER_01: Broadbent is arguing that the system is not broken in the sense that a machine breaks down and stops working.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's saying it's functioning exactly as it is currently designed to function.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that the design itself is inherently negligent toward the rights of the parent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which brings us to the most comprehensive and organized voice in this entire collection of sources.
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  SPEAKER_00: A mother who has actually attempted to map out exactly how this weaponized negligence operates on a procedural level.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is Megan Miller.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, Megan Miller from Gardner, Kansas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Her testimony and the documentation she brought forms the absolute vanguard of the pushback against the current system.
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  SPEAKER_01: She really organized a lot of this data.
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  SPEAKER_00: She did.
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  SPEAKER_00: She isn't just presenting an isolated anecdote, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: She has turned her own case into a lens to examine the entire judicial apparatus.
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  SPEAKER_01: So to understand her argument, we have to look at the sheer duration and the cost of her legal battles.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's wild.
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  SPEAKER_00: She stapes she has been in the Kansas family court system since 2017.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nine years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nine years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was preceded by three and a half years in the Missouri court system.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the financial toll she documents is staggering.
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  SPEAKER_01: She reports spending approximately$350,000 in Missouri alone.
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  SPEAKER_00: $350,000?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she emerged from that jurisdiction with a highly detailed divorce decree that included very specific credibility findings regarding the parties involved.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the crux of her systemic critique begins the moment she crossed the state line into Kansas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because according to her testimony, that foundational Missouri decree was essentially ignored by the Kansas courts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's unpack the legal philosophy behind that for a second.
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  SPEAKER_00: Megan poses a fundamental question to the committee.
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  SPEAKER_00: She asks, what is the purpose of a judicial decree or even a written statute if a subsequent court can simply choose not to acknowledge it?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_00: She argues that when a court ignores established findings or fails to follow written statutes, the law ceases to be an objective standard.
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  SPEAKER_00: She calls this the rule of opinion.
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  SPEAKER_01: The rule of opinion.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a powerful framework for understanding that friction we discussed earlier.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because in a functioning legal system, the legislature writes the statutes and the judiciary applies them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Citizens rely on the predictability of those statutes to govern their behavior and understand their rights.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Megan is arguing that in the family court system, that predictability has completely vanished.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: If a judge can just bypass a neighboring state's exhaustive credibility findings, then the ruling is no longer based on the continuous application of law.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, it is based entirely on the personal discretion or the opinion of the individual judge sitting on the bench that day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell And the real world consequence of that rule of opinion for Megon is documented with an exact devastating date.
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  SPEAKER_00: January 29th, 2024.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Through an emergency process in Johnson County, her five children were removed from her care.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Five children.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when she delivered her testimony to the committee on March 5th, 2026, she noted it had been exactly 766 days with zero access to her children.
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  SPEAKER_01: 766 days.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the central controversy she highlights is that this removal occurred without a full evidentiary hearing that tested the allegations against her prior to the children being taken.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is where we have to dive really deep into the specific legal documents Megan provided regarding her case.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is case number 17 CV0302, overseen by Judge Kevin O'Grady with Guardian ad lightum Randy McKella.
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  SPEAKER_01: Megan introduces a concept here she terms gated justice.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gated justice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: She asserts that the court places insurmountable constitutionally dubious administrative barriers in front of parents, which effectively prevents them from ever reaching that full evidentiary hearing.
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  SPEAKER_00: She provided an exact court order from Judge O'Grady dated October 10th, 2025, to prove this point.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the details of this October 10th order are genuinely difficult to process.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: They really are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Meghan had filed a motion for supervised parenting time and interim contact.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: So she was just asking the court for the basic right to see her children, even if a supervisor had to be present in the room.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, just to see them.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the court's response was not to schedule a hearing to discuss the merits of her request.
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  SPEAKER_00: Instead, the order dictates that before the court will even set a hearing, Megan must provide a list of three proposed parenting time supervisors.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: But providing three names was just the beginning of the hurdle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: The documentation required for each of those three private third-party supervisors is what actually constitutes the gate in gated justice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: The order mandates that she provide a current curriculum veto showing professional licenses, a 10-year employment history, and a list of highly specific training regarding high-conflict parent separation cases and supervised parenting.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this list of training had to include the dates attended the identity of the trainers and the sponsoring professional organizations.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it goes even further than that.
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  SPEAKER_01: She had to secure a list of every single court case organized by case number and jurisdiction where the provider had previously been appointed to supervise contact.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's basically a full background investigation.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
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  SPEAKER_01: She had to acquire their proprietary fee schedules and retainer agreements.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: And perhaps most astonishingly, she had to obtain and submit their professional liability insurance coverage information.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Which is wild.
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  SPEAKER_00: And only after she compiled this massive dossier for three separate individuals, would the court even review the list to potentially schedule a hearing on her motion to see her kids.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: We really need to analyze the administrative reality of what this order demands of a citizen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Megan, who states she has lost her home, her job, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in this process is required to solicit private businesses or professionals.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she must convince them to hand over their 10-year employment histories, a comprehensive list of their other clients' case numbers, their internal business fee structures, and the details of their professional liability insurance.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: How does a private citizen compel a third-party professional to release their liability insurance documents?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: They can't.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: As Megan points out in her subsequent motion to vacate these orders, these private providers are not parties to her case.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: They can't be subpoenaed by her to produce these documents.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have no legal duty to cooperate with her, no obligation to accept a court appointment, and certainly no obligation to hand over sensitive business insurance information to a desperate parent who just walked into their office.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: She argues this creates a constitutionally impermissible, futile condition.
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  SPEAKER_00: A futile condition.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: The court is conditioning her access to the judicial system and her fundamental right to see her children on the voluntary compliance of private non-party professionals over whom she has absolutely no leverage or control.
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  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell And if those professionals decline to hand over their insurance information, she doesn't get a hearing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: She argues that this is a court-created barrier, noting she could find no Kansas statute that authorizes placing the keys to constitutional due process in the hands of private liability insurance holders.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the documents also contain the court's official rationale.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: We have Judge O'Grady's written order denying Meghan's motion to vacate.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is vital we examine his defense of both these supervisor requirements and the initial removal of the children on January 29th, 2024.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Megan's core argument regarding the removal is that it was an ex parte order.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for clarity, an ex parte communication generally refers to a situation where one party communicates with the judge or is granted an order without the other party being present or having the opportunity to argue their side.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Meghan argues that because it was effectively ex parte, statutory law required a review hearing within 15 days, which did not happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Judge O'Grady directly rebuts this classification in his written order.
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  SPEAKER_01: He states definitively that the orders suspending her parenting time were not entered ex parte.
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  SPEAKER_00: And his defense relies on a very strict procedural definition.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: He cites Black's law dictionary defining ex parte communication as occurring when opposing counsel or a party is not present.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: He then points to the journal entry for the January 29th hearing, noting that Meghan, her attorney, the opposing party, his attorney, and the Guardian ad lightum were all physically present in open court when the emergency motion was taken up.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: So the judge's position is rooted entirely in physical presence and the official record.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone was in the room.
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  SPEAKER_00: Therefore, according to Black's Law Dictionary, it cannot be classified as ex parte.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the 15-day statutory requirement for a follow-up hearing is not triggered.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is exactly the argument.
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  SPEAKER_00: And regarding the supervisor requirements, Judge O'Gready defends the exhaustive list by noting that two of the regularly appointed professional supervisors had refused to accept further appointments in this specific case.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: He writes that does not mean that no such providers exist.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: His rationale is that given the high conflict nature of the case, requesting minimum qualifications and liability insurance from new proposed supervisors is a prudent measure.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: And he states the court remains willing to review any qualified providers she manages to find.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: To the judge operating within the strict confines of legal dictionaries and journal entries, the procedural boxes were checked.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: The parties were noticed, they appeared in the courtroom, an emergency motion was heard, and an order was issued.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: It was not by definition ex parte.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: But to the mother, physical presence in a room does not equal fundamental fairness.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Not at all.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: If you are standing in a courtroom, but a full evidentiary hearing is not held to rigorously test the allegations before your five children are removed for over two years, the fact that you were physically present feels pretty irrelevant to the loss of your constitutional rights.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: She is arguing the substantive reality of due process, the actual ability to be heard and present a defense.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: And Megan channeled this massive gap between technical compliance and fundamental fairness into a broader grassroots movement.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: She didn't restrict her fight to just the courtroom.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: She took it to the public square.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is the Stand with Meg platform.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: She founded Stand with Meg, which actually amassed over 200,000 followers.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's a huge reach.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: She recognized that her individual story, while extreme in its duration, was indicative of a wider pattern, which led her to create the ADD Mind Family Rights Survey.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the data she gathered through that survey and presented to the legislature is deeply concerning.
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  SPEAKER_01: Based on the responses from Kansas families navigating custody cases, approximately one in three parents reported having zero contact with their children.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: One in three?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: And they reported identical patterns to Meghan's.
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  SPEAKER_01: Children removed through emergency orders, custody changes based on NRSA rather than type of evidence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And endless administrative delays that block parents from ever reaching a final evidentiary trial?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: During her testimony, she delivered a chilling hypothesis regarding the financial mechanics of these cases.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: What did she say?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: She stated, Kansas family courts are going after protective parents.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because a good parent will do whatever it takes and pay whatever it costs to get their child back.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: It creates a dangerous incentive.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, pay whatever it costs.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: That is the perfect transition into the next major theme evident in these sources, which is financial attrition.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: The sheer cost of participating in this system is a recurring focus in almost all these documents.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, while Megan's$350,000 figure from Missouri is staggering, the documents prove that systemic financial devastation is not an outlier at all.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's the standard operating procedure across multiple jurisdictions.
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  SPEAKER_00: We see this exact dynamic in the testimony of Nicole Balills from Sedgwick County.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Over a three-year period, Nicole reports bending nearly$80,000.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it is crucial to look at what that money is actually funding.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: She isn't just paying attorney fees for a trial.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, she is paying to comply with an endless stream of court-ordered services, evaluations, specialized therapy case management fees.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: She spent$80,000 simply trying to follow the roadmap the court laid out for her.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And after complying with those orders and spending that capital, she informed the committee that she is still nowhere near a resolution.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Unbelievable.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: To actually secure a full evidentiary trial to present her case, she stated she needs an additional$10,000 retainer with her attorney's ongoing fees exceeding$300 per hour.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: She echoes the concept of gated justice, perfectly telling the legislature access to a fair hearing has become dependent on financial capacity rather than the merits or urgency of the case.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: And the system's response to her lack of further funding appears to be administrative delay.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: In the four months prior to her testimony, four of her hearings were postponed.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: She reports that the court allowed the opposing party to file motion after motion, many of which she describes as based on hearsay or addressing previously resolved issues.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: And they simply let them accumulate into a single contempt action, freezing the progress of the case.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: But the tragedy is what happens during those periods of administrative delay.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: While the case was stalled, her 13-year-old daughter was removed from her care.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: And Nicole explicitly documents that this removal occurred despite recommendations from case management reports from the Department for Children and Families, treatment plans from therapists, and crucially her own daughter's stated wishes.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: The result of this removal introduces one of the most baffling contradictions in the entire stack of documents.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the basketball games.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Nicole is now restricted to seeing her 13-year-old daughter for just two hours a week.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: And the location for these visits is a crowded public gym.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, think about the reality of trying to parent a teenager, trying to maintain a deep emotional bond in two-hour increments while surrounded by noise in other families in a gymnasium.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the contradiction revolves around her daughter's extracurricular activities.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Nicole testified that the judge actually issued an order granting her access to attend her daughter's school and sports activities.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: However, the opposing party subsequently filed protection orders that legally blocked that exact access.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: It is an absolute catch-22.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: You have a family court judge ordering that a mother can attend a basketball game and a different legal mechanism being utilized to make her presence at that game a violation of a protection order.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Nicole states she brought this direct conflict to the court's attention, and the issue was simply dismissed.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: And the tangible consequence.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Nicole, who had been serving as her daughter's basketball coach, had to step down from the position, and she missed her child's entire season.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: When a legal system issues contradictory orders and refuses to resolve the conflict, it leaves the citizen paralyzed.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Totally paralyzed.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: But the financial and emotional crushing of parents is detailed with even more visceral clarity by an unnamed kindergarten teacher who submitted written testimony.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Her account really strips away the legal theory and exposes the raw, immediate devastation of how quickly custody can be altered.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she describes a scenario where she and her ex-spouse were operating under a 50-50 parenting plan.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: She acknowledges it wasn't a perfect co-parenting relationship, but they were adjusting to the schedule.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: She details a specific morning, May 13th, 2024.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: She sent her children off to school, gave them hugs, and reminded them about their homework.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: She wrote in her testimony I did not know it would be the last normal exchange day of my life.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: The very next day, May 14th, the reality of her family was rewritten.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't rewritten by a judge after a lengthy trial where she could present witnesses.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was rewritten by an email.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: An email?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: She received an email from a court-appointed parenting coordinator recommending an immediate drastic change in custody.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: The children were informed they would not be returning to her home and simply needed to get used to the new arrangement.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: She now sees her children from Friday at 5 p.m.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: to Sunday at 5 p.m., totaling 48 hours twice a month.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: But the financial mathematics of this sudden change are what truly illustrate the punitive nature of the system.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: We have to remember her profession.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: She is a full-time public school kindergarten teacher.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Following this abrupt change in custody, she was ordered to pay$1,781 per month in child support.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because of the suddenness of the shift and the crushing weight of the new financial obligation, she quickly fell behind.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: She reports being approximately$17,000 in arrears.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Her wages from teaching are garnished by the state.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: She testified that she was forced to take on a second job just to prevent her home from going into foreclosure.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Let's look at the final calculation she provided to the committee.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: After her wages are garnished, her bills are paid, and the court mandated costs are extracted.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: This full-time teacher working a second job is left with roughly$200 a month.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: $200 to cover her own food, gas, clothing, and any expenses related to participating in her children's lives during the tiny window of time she is allowed to see them.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: The psychological toll of that kind of financial ruin is captured in a devastating quote she shared with the legislature.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: She wrote, My children ask me why I cannot fix this.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: They ask where my power is.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: As a mother, there is nothing more painful than not being able to answer that question.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: When we synthesize the experiences of Megan Bell or Nicole Balayals and this kindergarten teacher, a profound question emerges regarding the very nature of justice in these courts.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: If accessing the judicial system requires a$10,000 retainer, or the ability to absorb$80,000 in evaluation fees, or the resources to secure highly specialized, privately insured supervisors, we have to ask: does due process actually exist for the working or middle class?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: It appears that when continuous billing and administrative delays are built into the architecture of the system, the court is no longer functioning as an arbiter of truth.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, it is functioning as a war of attrition.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: The system isn't necessarily determining the best interests of the child.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: It is simply waiting to see which parent exhausts their financial capital first.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: The parent who runs out of money loses their ability to participate and by extension loses their children.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: Which leads us directly into the systemic mechanics that allow this attrition to continue unchecked.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: The parents who testified did not just complain about the outcomes of their cases.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: They meticulously documented how the administrative machinery of the court actively works against transparency.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking about systemic blind spots, missing records, and shocking conflicts of interest.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: To truly understand how opaque the administrative process can be, we need to examine the affidavit submitted by Melissa Butcher from Barryton, Kansas, located in Shawnee County.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Her case, identified as 2021 DM 1945, is basically a masterclass in how procedural anomalies can entirely derail a citizen's ability to defend themselves.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Melissa's documentation traces the history of her case, noting that it originally began in Pottawatomie County.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: For context, she notes it was under IVD child support jurisdiction.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: And for those who might not be familiar with the jargon, Title 4 VD refers to a federal program that helps states establish and enforce child support.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Meaning there is a specific bureaucratic framework and oversight involved.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Under that jurisdiction, she had the same judge for nearly a decade.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: There was a baseline of stability.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: The court knew the history and the evidence.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: But the disruption occurred in 2021 when the case was transferred to Shawnee County and re-registered as a non-IVD trustees case, moving it outside of that specific state enforcement oversight.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Melissa asserts that upon this transfer, all meaningful oversight vanished.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: The consequences were immediate and severe.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: She writes, My children were removed before I ever set foot in that courtroom.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: From that point forward, she documents an escalating series of administrative failures that read less like a legal proceeding and more like an institutional breakdown.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: She provided evidence of an agreement filed with the court bearing an unauthorized electronic signature, a signature her attorney had explicitly declined to approve.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: She details how motions she filed were left unheard for months on end, which she notes is a direct violation of Supreme Court Rule 170.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: She even documents being ordered to utilize a therapist who was not licensed by the Behavioral Sciences Board, an order she felt professionally obligated to report as fraud due to her own professional licensing standards.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: But the most critical breakdown in transparency revolves around how the court maintains its own official records.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Melissa provides a highly specific timeline from the summer of 2024 to illustrate this.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: In December of 2023, the parties executed a case management agreement assigning a professional named Julia Butler as the case manager.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: The purpose of a case manager is to streamline disputes and prevent every minor disagreement from requiring a judge's intervention.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: Fast forward to August of 2024, Melissa discovers that an order awarding attorney fees to the opposing party had been issued on August 4th.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: The anomaly is that this order was dated before any motion requesting those fees was even filed with the court.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: The very next day, August 5th, the opposing counsel and attorney named Sarah Snyder files a motion bypassing the assigned case manager Julia Butler entirely.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Melissa's affidavit accuses attorney Snyder of utilizing Darvo tactics.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Darvo is an acronym for deny attack and reverse victim and offender.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's a recognized psychological and legal strategy where the person accused of wrongdoing denies the behavior, attacks the individual making the accusation, and attempts to reverse the roles of victim and offender in the eyes of the authority figure.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Melissa asserts that Snyder used these tactics to make false statements directly to the court.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Trying to follow the proper procedures, Melissa meets with the case manager Julia Butler on August 8th, presenting evidence to refute what she claims are false statements made by opposing counsel.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: But the critical event happens the following day, August 9th, 2024.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: A phone conference takes place between the judge and the legal counsel.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: Melissa, who notes she was representing herself, pro se meaning without an attorney at various points, is completely excluded from this conference.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: She is not allowed to dial in.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: She's not allowed to present the evidence she just showed the case manager.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: And most importantly, this pivotal conference, which results in decisions impacting her family, is not recorded.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: There is no court reporter present.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: There is no audiophile.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: How is a citizen supposed to navigate a justice system where the rules of their life are decided in unrecorded phone calls they aren't allowed to hear?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: The permanence of this missing record is officially confirmed later.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Melissa provides emails from a court transcriptionist named Jenny Hana, dated between May 10th and 14th, 2025.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: The transcriptionist officially informs Melissa that there is no transcript available for a hearing that supposedly took place in February 2024.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Furthermore, she confirms there is no transcript for the August 9th, 2024 phone conference.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: The transcriptionist describes that August 9th event as an unrecorded counsel-only conference that resulted in an agreement.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Melissa adamantly states she never consented to any such agreement.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: The legal implications here are staggering.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: If a citizen wishes to appeal a decision, the appellate court relies entirely on the official record of the lower court.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: If the record simply does not exist, if the transcript is missing or the conference was never recorded, the citizen has absolutely no mechanism to prove what was said, what evidence was ignored, or that they never agreed to the outcome.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Melissa states she reported over 100 incidents of noncompliance to case management starting in 2024.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Her conclusion to the committee is grim, still no enforcement.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: She argues that the institutional blindness is self-perpetuating, noting that the professionals responsible for certifying ethics programs are often the same ones blocking evidence in these unrecorded conferences.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: This concept of institutional blindness extends beyond unrecorded phone calls.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: It infects the very individuals the court appoints to be neutral arbiters.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: The testimony of Megan Taylor provides a perfect, deeply troubling illustration of what happens when the illusion of neutrality shatters.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: Domestic conciliation is designed to be an alternative dispute resolution process.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: The court appoints a supposedly neutral third-party professional, a conciliator, to assist the parents in resolving their disputes outside of a courtroom trial.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: The entire premise relies on the absolute independence and unbiased nature of that appointed professional.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: They are essentially the referee.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: Megan's documentation reveals a shocking subversion of that premise.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Approximately 85 days after opposing counsel entered her case, a motion was filed requesting the replacement of the existing assigned conciliator.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: The motion didn't just ask for a new conciliator, it specifically requested that the court appoint a man named William F.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Ebert to the role.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: What she discovered completely undermines the concept of a neutral referee.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: She found documented proof that prior to this request, and continuing concurrently throughout his appointment as her neutral conciliator, Mr.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Ebert, was actively serving as the personal legal counsel for the opposing attorney Brian Frost in a completely separate domestic matter in Shawnee County.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Let's break down the mechanics of that conflict.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: The attorney representing the opposing party in Megan's highly contentious custody case filed a motion asking the judge to appoint his own actively retained personal lawyer to serve as the neutral, unbiased professional evaluating Megan's family.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: And according to Meegan's testimony, this profound professional and financial relationship between the opposing counsel and the conciliator was never disclosed to her prior to the appointment.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: She posed a brilliant, albeit terrifying question to the legislative committee.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: If a litigant's attorney can request appointment of his own professional associate or attorney as a court-appointed neutral, what safeguards currently exist to protect public confidence in custody decisions?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: How can any parent trust the recommendations generated by a conciliator who is secretly on the payroll of the opposing lawyer in a different courtroom?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: Trust becomes impossible.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: And Megan highlights how the financial barriers we discussed earlier exacerbate this exact kind of corruption.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: She notes that she was receiving state assistance and simply could not afford the hourly rates required by privately billed conciliation services.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because she lacked the funds, her ability to meaningfully participate or challenge the process was severely limited.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yet because the opposing side could fund it, the privately paid process moved forward under the authority of this deeply conflicted conciliator, generating official reports and recommendations that the court would ultimately rely upon to make decisions about her child.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: It fundamentally questions the validity of every evaluation and recommendation produced by the shadow industry operating adjacent to the courtroom.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: This brings us to the final, and in many ways, the most difficult section of our deep dive.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: When the administrative machinery is this broken, and when financial attrition dictates the outcome, the system loses its ability to recognize or process actual harm, particularly harm that doesn't leave a physical bruise.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: The parents' testimonies reveal a system profoundly ill-equipped to handle the realities of emotional and psychological abuse.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: We see this clearly in the testimony of a Kansas anonymous citizen.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is a mother who spent eight years entrenched in the system fighting to protect her child from a father with a documented history of alcoholism and severe emotional abuse.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Her detailed account highlights a terrifying failure in how the state agencies evaluate the safety of a child.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: She provides specific examples of the environment her child is forced into during visitation.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: The father smokes heavily in the presence of the child, frequently returning the child smelling strongly of cigarette smoke and marijuana.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: But it is the psychological manipulation that takes the heaviest toll.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: The mother describes her child developing severe anxiety prior to visitations, exhibiting crying spells and physical symptoms like stomach aches.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: After the visits, the child returns withdrawn, emotionally shaken and fearful.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: The mother documents the specific tactics used by the father.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: During these visits, he tells the child terrifying, destabilizing things such as you might not see mom again.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: He engages in screaming fits, calls the child inappropriate and degrading names, and has repeatedly left the child alone in a vehicle for hours at a time.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Furthermore, he chronically neglects his baseline responsibilities, refusing to pay his court ordered half of medical expenses, and actively dismissing the child's specific dietary and hygiene needs as prescribed by a medical doctor.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: The mother followed the procedures society dictates.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: She reported her detailed concerns, the past criminal history, the substance abuse, and the ongoing emotional manipulation to both local law enforcement and the Kansas Department for Children and Families, or DCF.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: The reaction of the system to these reports is what forms the core of her testimony.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: The system's reaction was profound minimization.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: The mother writes, What I experienced was a system that seemed to focus primarily on visible physical injury.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because there were no bruises, the emotional harm was minimized.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: The institutional apparatus of the state looked at a child being told they might never see their mother again, a child left in cars and subjected to screaming, and determined that because the skin was not broken, the threshold for urgent intervention had not been met.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: She articulated the failure of this logic, powerfully stating, emotional abuse does not leave marks on the skin, but it can leave lifelong scars on a child's sense of safety and self-worth.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: The bureaucracy of child protection is often constrained by rubrics and checklists that prioritize immediate physical danger, leaving psychological torment entirely unaddressed by the very agencies designed to intervene.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: But the systemic failure goes beyond simply ignoring the abuse.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: The system actively punishes the parent who tries to stop it.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: When this anonymous mother attempted to establish basic boundaries, requesting structure safety precautions or a smoke-free environment for her child, she was penalized.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: She was labeled by court professionals as difficult.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: She was written off as a helicopter parent.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: The institutional focus shifted entirely away from the father's abusive behavior and turned into an investigation of the mother's advocacy.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: She told the committee it is profoundly painful to seek protection for your child and be made to feel irrational for doing so.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: If we connect the dots across the different testimonies we've examined, we see this is not an isolated incident.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: It is a systemic pattern.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Recall the testimony of Nicole Ballel's mother forced to see her daughter in a public gym.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Nicole testified that there were multiple third-party reports involving both police and DCF regarding the environment in the other parents' home.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Most alarmingly, her 13-year-old daughter expressed actual suicidal ideation while residing in that household, and the child directly disclosed these severe concerns to court-ordered therapists.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: But according to Nicole's testimony, those critical disclosures did not consistently make it into the official report submitted to the judge.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: She stated that the child's desperate pleas were filtered or omitted by the professionals tasked with evaluating the family.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: The system actively filtered out the invisible harm.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it is a teenager's suicidal ideation or a younger child's anxiety from being told their mother is disappearing if the trauma doesn't fit neatly into the bureaucratic definition of physical abuse, the system either ignores it, omits it from the record, or blames the protective parent for bringing it up.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: It creates a horrific reality where judges are making decisions based on corrupted information flows, unaware of the actual danger the child is experiencing.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: The Anonymous Mother summarized the necessary reforms by asking the committee to ensure that children's voices are safely and appropriately considered to establish actual accountability when repeated safety reports are filed and to drastically improve the investigation standards for emotional abuse.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Her final plea to the legislature was clear.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: The amount of ground we have covered in this deep dive is immense, and the weight of the stories contained in these documents is staggering.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: We set out to examine the disconnect between the official narrative of the court system and the reality experienced by the parents.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: Through the documentation, provided that disconnect is undeniable.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: While official testimony paints a picture of a functioning judiciary, the citizens ranging from a highly decorated combat veteran to a public school teacher to the organizers of a massive grassroots movement are presenting a completely unified, terrifying picture.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: They have meticulously documented a system where financial gatekeeping has entirely replaced fundamental due process.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: A system where access to a judge requires a$10,000 retainer, where unchecked judicial authority allows for demands of impossible non-statutory conditions, like securing private liability insurance from third parties just to obtain a hearing to see your own children.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: They have exposed a system rife with administrative chaos where unauthorized electronic signatures are accepted, where crucial phone calls deciding the fate of families are intentionally unrecorded, and where official transcripts simply vanish.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they have highlighted glaring systemic conflicts of interest where court-appointed neutral evaluators are secretly serving as personal legal counsel for the opposing attorneys.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to bring this back to you, the listener.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: You might be wondering why this deep dive matters to you if you have never set foot in a family court or if you don't have children.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: It matters because the family court system wields some of the most extraordinary life-altering power of any branch of government.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: They possess the authority to garnish your wages, seize your assets, dictate your schedule, and separate you from your children indefinitely.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: When a system with that level of power operates behind closed doors, allowing administrative procedures, financial barriers, and institutional blindness to trump fundamental constitutional due process, the basic fabric of our civil rights is at risk.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: If the courts that handle our most intimate, vulnerable, and volatile disputes are permitted to operate without transparency or accountability, the very concept of the rule of law is compromised for every single citizen.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: As Megan Miller so astutely pointed out, when the law is no longer applied consistently, it ceases to be law, it becomes a rule of opinion.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that reality leaves us with a final provocative thought to consider as we wrap up this analysis.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: If the architecture of the family court system inherently incentivizes prolonged escalating conflict, because the endless mandatory evaluations, the required special aid supervisors, the continuous therapy sessions, and the perpetually delivered hearings all serve to generate endless billable hours for a small insular circle of court-appointed professionals.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: How can a state ever realistically expect that system to reform itself from the inside?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: We have to ask: are these courts still functioning as a mechanism for dispensing justice, or have they simply evolved into an industry?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: That is a question that requires serious, ongoing reflection from all of us.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: We want to thank you so much for joining us on this extensive deep dive into the March 5th Kansas House Judiciary Committee testimonies.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: It has been incredibly heavy material, but it is vital information for understanding how the machinery of justice actually operates.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: Keep asking the hard questions, keep looking past the official narratives, and we will catch you on the next one.