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How to Survive the Skinny Girl Apocalypse (w. Anna Snapp) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief pre size. I'm Michael Foote, I'm Melissa Albro.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about Melissa's quest to
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  Speaker 1: buy a new car, gasoline panties. We have a special
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  Speaker 1: guest and a snap and she's going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the bank she has that I don't have. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about body image issues, discrimination lawsuits, and all
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  Speaker 1: your questions from the DM So stick around. Oh wait,
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: invite a new little party. You knew that I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to go, but that and that is what you wanted.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I wanted.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but but I mean you knew that I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't going to come. What did I do this weekend?
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  Speaker 1: I have to complain about Okay, Yeah, get on the
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  Speaker 1: record please.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going to complain about this, these two things,
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  Speaker 2: knowing knowing that I am in a place of privilege, right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm super lucky, very blessed.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Sarah, I know that's nice. Give me the fucking complaint.
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  Speaker 2: I bought a new car. I bought a new car.
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  Speaker 1: This is like a really privileged Okay, I said. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was going to be like no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I sent back my entree. No no, no, It's like
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  Speaker 1: I invested in a huge automobile. I mean it with
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands, and it's a g wagon.
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  Speaker 2: It is No, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's the rim spin that just keep spend.
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  Speaker 2: Spend that kind of money on it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I would I love a little large ass, a
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  Speaker 1: little disposed of income. Yeah, no, no, anyway, I'm disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an American, I'm from Long Island.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know what to
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  Speaker 2: say to you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have like a fun cultural background like you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just a white boy.
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  Speaker 2: I need to understand, and I really want somebody who
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  Speaker 2: is in the know to get back to me on this.
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  Speaker 2: I need to understand why it takes so fucking long
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  Speaker 2: to buy a car. I got to the dealership. Oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Can we just order it on seamless? This is actually
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  Speaker 1: any and I'm sorry anyone who's broke listening to this,
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  Speaker 1: but it is actually a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it doesn't even matter how much
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  Speaker 2: money you're right, if you're into buyer car, you're buying
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  Speaker 2: a car.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't we just call forward and be like, Hi,
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  Speaker 1: I want a car? No, you have to go to
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  Speaker 1: some guy on at four different guy it is actually wild,
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  Speaker 1: and all of them gave you a different price in
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  Speaker 1: an answer and everything.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's not what it was. But it
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  Speaker 2: was like everybody at every different level, right I got
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  Speaker 2: so first I had my salesperson, okay, fine, Then I
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  Speaker 2: met like every fucking level of manager. It took all day,
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  Speaker 2: and I gotta tell you, I mean I.
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  Speaker 1: Would have charged them for a meet and greet, not to.
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  Speaker 2: Like toot my own horn, but like I got a
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  Speaker 2: good credit score and I had the money, right, so like, what's.
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  Speaker 1: The what's the old boys?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, eight o'clock in the morning. I think I
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  Speaker 2: started really looking at like nine because I was there
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  Speaker 2: to get my regular car serviced. I did not walk
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  Speaker 2: out of that lot with the car until three o'clock
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  Speaker 2: in the afternoon, Michael, and I was I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, life is sure? That is? That is so I
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  Speaker 1: would have liked I couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of it, I was like shaking.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, so mad, No, I would that's crazy,
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  Speaker 1: egregious and like you're buying a car. You wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be like a fun joyous I was not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pissed. Off at the car again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I was reading a thing because I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to buy a car and Carbana or like
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  Speaker 1: one of those is.
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  Speaker 2: That easy apps?
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  Speaker 1: I thought it would be, but it wasn't and I
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  Speaker 1: ended up not doing it. And then I read a
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  Speaker 1: report that those prices were wrong and that they're maybe
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  Speaker 1: being sued. I don't know, fact check me. Someone comment
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  Speaker 1: below if you bought something from one of those, but
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  Speaker 1: I really liked car website.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody, either you own a car dealership or you're a
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  Speaker 2: car salesperson, put me on so that I can avoid
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  Speaker 2: this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Or if you're a car company and wants
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  Speaker 1: to the show, please let us know, because this is
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  Speaker 1: it's agregious.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing, now, this is I was really thinking
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  Speaker 2: about this because I'm thinking about people who were going
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  Speaker 2: into a new month without benefits and the cost of
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: of how much it costs to eat healthy? Right, So,
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  Speaker 2: again understanding that I'm coming at this from a place
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  Speaker 2: of privilege. I was going through a farmer's market and
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  Speaker 2: I decided that I was going to buy an apple.
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  Speaker 2: One apple. How much did that apple cost me?
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  Speaker 1: Michael A couple bucks?
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  Speaker 2: I bet four dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, that's crazy. And I bought it, and
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  Speaker 1: I spend money on the stupidest shit. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: a fifty dollars delivery, Yeah, that's fine. I'm like, and
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  Speaker 1: I really mow through money. I set it on fire.
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  Speaker 1: What are you buying? That's the problem is I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm buying. Yeah, I'm just like top top
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  Speaker 1: every everywhere I go, I'm tapping.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what. I think. This used to happen
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  Speaker 2: to me a lot. But you sort of go out
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  Speaker 2: and you spend you know, you've spent money, but all
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  Speaker 2: you have to show for it is like a pack of.
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  Speaker 1: Gum and it's regret. Yeah, no, yt yeah. They say,
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  Speaker 1: like wake up in New York. It costs like one
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars just to wake up, and it's death by
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  Speaker 1: a thousand paper cuts because it's like, oh, thirty dollars here,
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  Speaker 1: thirty dollars there, twenty nine ninety nine for this. Everything
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  Speaker 1: is thirty to forty dollars now, and before you buying
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  Speaker 1: four of them a day, yeah, and then another thing
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  Speaker 1: and then like, oh I need a special treat. I
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  Speaker 1: always have to get a special treat. Melissa saw me
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  Speaker 1: drinking a coke. When I came in here, she was like,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing? And I was like, once a month,
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  Speaker 1: the little demon that lives inside me says, you have
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  Speaker 1: to drink a coke in order to feel better. And
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  Speaker 1: it's great. I love it. If you're getting a migraine, Oh, coke, coke,
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  Speaker 1: a Coca cola.
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  Speaker 2: And either saltines.
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  Speaker 1: Pretzels, pretzels, pretzels. That is the only thing. No migraine
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  Speaker 1: medication works. I just do that and it's great.
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  Speaker 2: A coke and some pretzels.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, let's go into a sidebar because something
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  Speaker 1: crazy happened to me. This is sidebar.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have rona, do you No.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm fine, don't give me that rona.
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  Speaker 2: I oh man, I'll be so much I will probably
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  Speaker 2: stop talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: I've had COVID so many times. I'm like a superbug.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have it.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: If I get it, it's because he gave it to me.
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  Speaker 1: If I had a dollar for every time a man
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  Speaker 1: said that to me, I would actually I would be
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  Speaker 1: able to pay my fucking AMEX bill.
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  Speaker 2: You still haven't told me what you bought I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean a lot of it is like flights. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I am at that point in my life where
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  Speaker 1: I have set standards and pract best practices for myself.
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  Speaker 1: I don't sit in anything but business class anymore. And
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  Speaker 1: that is like and I've worked hard to get here.
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  Speaker 2: Utens.
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  Speaker 1: Also, we've talked about dry cleaning bills that one hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars a week easily for just wearing the shirt to
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  Speaker 1: the show. Today, this is going to be eight dollars
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  Speaker 1: to dry clean. Just to clean it, I had to
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  Speaker 1: pay for the shirt, sure, and now every time I
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  Speaker 1: wear it, I pay too. Oh wait, last episode, we
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  Speaker 1: promised the world that we would talk about your dad
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  Speaker 1: on a jury, and because we ran out of time,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't get to it. You have to tell the
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  Speaker 1: story of your father. Sorry, non sequitur, just diving in
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  Speaker 1: here to Joel.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing about people being on juries that I
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  Speaker 2: think we have to sort of be aware of, Like,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you will get a man like my father, who
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  Speaker 2: we missed very much. But I remember my dad was
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  Speaker 2: on a jury and I said to him was it going?
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  Speaker 2: And he was just like he did it?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, who He's.
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  Speaker 2: Like, No, Missa. He did. And I was like, how
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  Speaker 2: do you know that he did it? And he said,
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  Speaker 2: it was two o'clock in the morning. What was he
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  Speaker 2: doing out? If he good? And I remember me and
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  Speaker 2: my brother looking at each other and I said, pop
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  Speaker 2: in the morning, he does not mean And he was like,
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  Speaker 2: and he said to me, has anything good ever happened
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  Speaker 2: at two o'clock in the morning. And I gotta tell you,
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  Speaker 2: he kind of got you with That got me so
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  Speaker 2: beware of people like my dad on a tree, who's
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  Speaker 2: like it was two oclock in the morning, or they
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  Speaker 2: were wearing those pants or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually criminal defense lawyer's greatest nightmare is that Joel
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  Speaker 1: is on the jury. I've spent a year building a
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  Speaker 1: fucking defense for this person and we've got Joel on
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  Speaker 1: the jury who's got glasses on like this.
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  Speaker 2: Can we drop a picture of my dad?
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  Speaker 1: I don't, yeah, drop in a photo drone not doing
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  Speaker 1: a good impression. Uh, he was out at two in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. It's clearly guilty. Guilty as hell, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: and my capital punishment for me.
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  Speaker 2: Then my dad meant that shit did convict.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember what happened.
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  Speaker 2: It's a long time ago. It was a long time ago,
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  Speaker 2: but I remember, and I remember trying to say to
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  Speaker 2: my father, that's not a good enough reason.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it is.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like he did. I think, well, you know
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  Speaker 1: what happened. It sounds like he was not swayed by
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  Speaker 1: the other.
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  Speaker 2: And my mom was like co signing. She was like, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but this is a lady who was yelling on her
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  Speaker 2: windows for that woman to hit her kid.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is the other thing is I'm like, Brad,
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  Speaker 1: you're married to a defense attorney. He was on a
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  Speaker 1: jury once and he was the foreman.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like Brad was listening, really carefully.
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  Speaker 1: Doing his and he ended up convicting. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe you're convicted.
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  Speaker 2: Did the guy deserve it?
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  Speaker 1: Wow? Microaggression? Guy. Women can be guilty too, Yes they can,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah it was a guy. It's mostly men who
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  Speaker 1: are guilty.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say it's not all.
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  Speaker 1: Not all men, but most of them, and no women
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  Speaker 1: and no women. All right, Well, I'm excited we have
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: Anna Snaps in the studio today.
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  Speaker 2: Wait to meet hers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited.
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to meet her.
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  Speaker 1: So she's going to be joining us for under Oath,
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  Speaker 1: where we're going to be talking about some interesting like
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  Speaker 1: fat discrimination lawsuits and the law behind it. It gets
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: kind of weird and I feel like we'll probably get
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: derailed big time. But the best intentions conversation. What is
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: that the road to hell is paved with good intentions
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  Speaker 1: and we're going straight in, so we'll be right back.
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  Speaker 2: Gasoline panies.
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: You're listening to brief Recess. Did you say gasoline panties?
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: Is that a saying? I say that that's a great
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: fashion line that is no monetize that this segment is
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: called under Oath. I'm here with my good friend, demonic, evil,
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: man hating wench Anna Snap. I love her so much.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: Please a longime briefs that she looks scandalized.
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  Speaker 3: My ancestors, thank you very much.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: They speak of her.
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: I've never heard that sentience when.
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: Speak. She's iconic. I know her from all over the internet,
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: and I welcome. We wanted to talk about all sorts
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: of I mean.
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: Excited to have you.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you.
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: Apparently I'm a man hating wench.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: And you're in good company.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: You're seriously, you are not alone, everyone, you are not alone.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: I am here with you.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Anna. We're meeting for the first time in person.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, iconic for so long.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to meet you in person.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's so I'm.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: We've been we've been talking without you.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, well, is.
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: A whole shit list, I dm her, I said, I
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: think I am so much.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: I'm so mad those of you who just listening you
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: didn't see Anna is doing this thing with her hair,
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: with her bangs, that is. I am so mad. I
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: can't do it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Clocking doesn't mean you can't just.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: Delusional bitch imaginary hair. Yes, well, thank you for joining us, Adam.
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  Speaker 1: We really wanted to talk about I mean, you are
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: so vocal online about all sorts of issues that fat
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: people face, that plus size actors face. You and I
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: have talked about this extensively as well together, so I
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: thought it'd be great to have you on because we
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  Speaker 1: cover all sorts of different lawsuits here on the show,
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  Speaker 1: and there have been a lot of really interesting discrimination
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: cases around like fat people, plus size people, whatever the
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: verticular is that you use and prefer. But also Melissa
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  Speaker 1: and I have like some really interesting personal experiences in
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: this space. I don't know. If you want to speak
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  Speaker 1: to that, I can speak to mine, which I was
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  Speaker 1: a really fat kid and I've been on a diet
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  Speaker 1: since I was like in the nineties.
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  Speaker 3: So died on the in the nineties. It's shocking.
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  Speaker 1: I never heard of that man.
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  Speaker 2: And I also was a fat kid, a fa adolescent,
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  Speaker 2: a fat young woman also had been on a diet.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: I remember being in the first grade going to my pediatrician.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: That's a schwartz who's no longer with us, and it
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  Speaker 2: was it was the worst. It was the worst kind
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: of thing to give to a kid, right, So it
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: was like a hamburger, patty, no bunt, a scoop of
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: cottage cheese that's actually is not the.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Cottage. Oh my god. So you're an actor. I am, okay,
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: not a paid crisis actor, but you have you've been
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: doing a one woman show.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: I think I have two one woman shows.
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: Actually the woman heard that's what we've been doing about.
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: No two one woman shows.
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  Speaker 4: One is autobiographical and I've been performing it for like
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: a decade international and it's about my experience with chronic illness,
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: a passive an eating disorder PTSD, mental illness, just a
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: little concoction.
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  Speaker 1: So really light hearted. Yea, it is.
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  Speaker 4: Partially comedy, is mostly drama. But what's funny is that
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: I randomly got picked up by the medical community, so
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  Speaker 4: I'll perform for like doctors and students and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So that's been awesome.
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it's been cool.
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: I perform it, like performed off Broadway, I performed at
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: Edinburgh Fringe.
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  Speaker 3: I performed.
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  Speaker 2: For the medical community, Like what what are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: So I do the show and then there's often like
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: a talk back or like a panel discussion to like
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  Speaker 4: let especially like med students ask questions because obviously they're
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: taught the science, but they're not always taught like the
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: empathy in the bedside manner and kind of the human
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: side of medicine definitely ties into this.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of like discrimination and.
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  Speaker 4: The fatness and being a bigger body, especially as it
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  Speaker 4: relates to like eating disorders or just being in a
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  Speaker 4: bigger body, and how it relates to even like chronic
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  Speaker 4: illness and stuff. And then my other one woman show,
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  Speaker 4: I all created over Lockdown. I interviewed like over four
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: hundred people about their experience battling and eating disorder, and
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: then I created something called a verbatim theater piece where
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: you basically recreate their voice on stage, so like if
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: they have an accent, if they pause, if they say,
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: if they haven't whatever. It is cut down there interview
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: into like a monologue. So I performed ten different characters,
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: including my own stories.
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  Speaker 3: So that's so weird.
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: I just had my autobiographical show in Philly like a
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to do it again next year. I'm trying
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: to bring it back to New York.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, So if you're launching this, and if you're
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: a producer, police, reach Ore Sas at exactly right Media
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: dot com and we'll put you in touch with Anna Snaps.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: We do dream making here exactly Right we.
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: Are.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: I thought it would be cool to kind of talk
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: about this, Like, there's this discrimination lawsuit that's currently like
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: making its way through the New York system. It's called
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Harris by New York, and it was a civil servant
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: applicant who was trying to become a civil servant to
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: become a probation officer. So I do with probation officers
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  Speaker 1: like all the time as a criminal defense lawyer, and
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: they basically denied her because of her size. So it's
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: really interesting. Fat is not like a protected class under
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: any US federal law, so you technically can't sue under
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: federal law for like fat discrimination. So there are some
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: like interesting workarounds that I found that, like, people sometimes
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: will sue under the American Disabilities Act the ADA, which
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: is like very established federal law that people sue under,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: but most courts have held that, like obesity isn't a
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: disability that and that is the argument that plaintiffs make
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: right when they've been discriminated against because of their size,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: they then argue that under the ADA, they're being discriminated
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: against because of their weight. One of the interesting things
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: that people have been able to do is like if
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: it is connected to like a medical issue. So if
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: you say, like this medical issue equals my body being
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: a different size, then I'm able you're able to sort
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: of find relief under the ADA.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: You know what that sounds like. I mean, I know
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: it's not exactly the same thing, but it's I've had
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: two aunts who had been flight attendants, and you used
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: to have to do weight check in order to be
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: a flight attendant, and it was like five to two
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: to five nine and no more than one hundred and
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: thirty five pounds, and it has nothing to do with
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: being able to do the job. It was all about
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: the aesthetics. So you needed to be no glasses, unblemished, unmarried,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: no kids, white.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: That is actually the criteria when we were casting this show.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: So and look at what happened.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: And joked it's okay, I'll go fuck myself. Yeah anyway,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: could continue flight attendant.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it just had to do with aesthetics, right,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So nothing to actually having.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: To do do that on Emirates. One.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know about Emirates, but the last time that
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: they were actually doing that still in the United States
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: was nineteen ninety five, which is really just about crazy.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Which is when I was on Weight Watchers. Yeah, like
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: it was like around that time. Yeah, wow, that's extraordinary,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Like we're.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Todd that that's the aesthetic, you know what I mean,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: it's not even like that. That's like like hundreds of
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: years ago, if you were fat, you were worshiped because
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: it meant you had money.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Do I have money? No, but.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: It should be she's self around the world. Michael and Melissa,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: what's it like being.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Poor porn worshiped?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: So basically, I mean we really don't need to cover
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the case. It's like you want to just keep talking.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: But you were, you were talking a little bit about
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the airlines.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: It was, and just again it's it was all about
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: the aesthetic. Had absolutely nothing to do with how well
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: you could do the job or whether or not you
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: could do the job. But for them to be a
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: flight attendant, a stewardess as they were called back in
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: the day, is that you needed to be approachable but
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: also glamorized, right, So like, okay, so that's why you
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: had to be a certain weight and if you and
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: if you gained weight, you were fired.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: What it was and this was the airline your aunt
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: worked for, yees.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: So I had an aunt who worked for pan Am
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and we still think that the reason why she got
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: that job, because it was back in the sixties was
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: she was very fair skin and white presenting.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: She used to be on weight check all the time.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I mean speaking of like discrimination and the work and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: like casting people for like jobs Abercrombie and Fitch, do
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you remember.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: That, Yeah, well no, it's burned in my memory.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: They were constantly and they got I think they got
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: suited and they were like, yeah, we did it. Like
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: they didn't even yes, yeah, oh yeah, it was like
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: only white people too, Like the black people were given stock.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, did you see that documentary about where they had
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: like the fat black people in the back? They had
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: no idea what was going on.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I've been in social situations where people have put me
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: in the back of the picture because they don't want
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: I ruined the aesthetic this was I was younger, like,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: this is not not people I surround myself with now.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: But like people will be like, oh, you're the tallest.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I'm like, there's a bitch of six two.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not the tallest.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I'm the gods.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Like what I mean?
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: And people will put you like that is an aesthetic thing,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: and you you'll see it where you see like groups
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: of people who don't have a single friend that's like
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: above a size six or something, and you're like, they're
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: that's like a that's that's like if you don't have
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: any friends that are in a bigger body or queer
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: or like a person of color.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what's going on here? What's what's going on here?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: What's going on in the home?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting about that? Like people sort
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: of asking you to sort of sit in the back
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: because you don't fit the aesthetic, I can tell you.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And I think this is and I I was saying
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: this the other day when we were talking to Karen
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: and Georgia. Right, it's like, yeah, I wish so badly
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: that when I was growing up there was this body
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: positivity movement that I feel like, I wish so badly
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: that I had been able to take advantage of, because
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I grew up in this place of self loathing, right,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: like a lot of people who and people who loved
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: me right who did who would say things to me
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: like such a pretty face, if only right? And so
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I think what ended up happening to me was not
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: so much that people were putting me in the back.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I was putting myself in the back, because I have
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: pictures of myself and it's something that I only really
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: saw after I lost weight, was how I was sort
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: of like hunching over and like sort of wearing like
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: extra baggy clothes, trying really hard to not be seen
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: at all totally and putting myself in the back more
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: than people actually doing this.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It was like a self selecting Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Really really, but it's so I would hope that there's
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: somebody who's like studying that because I was fucked up
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: for a really long time.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the way we treat ourselves as almost.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Like where Oh, it's so evident. I mean when I like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: my body has changed a lot over the years due
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: to just like health conditions, and when I was actually
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: thinner and I thought fat was a bad word and
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: I hated my body. Now that I'm not afraid to
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: like be seen, it translates so differently. It's like now
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: that I'm just like whatever, Like I love myself. I
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: think I'm hot, and I don't think fat is a
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: bad word, which obviously there's a lot of like fat
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: is ugly, fat is lazy, fat.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Is inert sort of negative term here.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: But like I didn't I was like closed off with
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: my body language and stuff when I was slightly thinner,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: like I didn't want to be seen or take up space.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: And now that I'm bigger and I actually want to
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: take up space, I get the most attention from like
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: men that I ever have, and I don't like you're.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Non self conscious, Yeah, and like you especially like energetically
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: when you're open to the world like that, the world
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: really does meet you where you are, yes of the time,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: so like if you are not, if you're closing yourself up,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you're self selecting or putting yourself in the back. Right,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Like the subversive messaging I was receiving when I was
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: fat was like the less of you, the better, Like
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: we are only happy when there's less of you. Like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and that is like for a twelve year old like
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: gay kid to like receive that message from authority, Like
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you listen to authority when you're a kid, like when
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you're coming up and like you're you're trying to just
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: like follow the rules, so like kind of getting that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: notion that like you should be the toned down version
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: of yourself.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And also when it's again when it's somebody who is
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: supposed to love you, right a parent, you know, a
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: good friend, a relative, and they're telling you be less
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of you. Yes, if we would love you more, that's
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the message you're hearing, right, we would love you more
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: if there was less of you, if you were not
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: as big, if you were quieter, more reserved, if you
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: sort of like staying in your place, like all these
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: things that we get.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And it's like, especially back then, like in the nineties,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it's like fat was equal to really bad health, awful
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: things are going to happen to you. So like parents
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: at the time were like, oh, we're just trying to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: like keep our kids safe, Like they're just trying to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Started as good intentions, but like with everything that's come out,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: it's kind of like, well, you have to like a
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: lot more. And also like I was always told I
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: was too much like personality wise too, but also like
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: I think obviously the world wants women to be smaller,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: so and this sort of like you know skinny Apocalypse
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: ozentthic era where it's like less of women both like
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: metaphorically and physically is better better like in quotation. But yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: it's like, I mean I have people in my life
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: who I love dearly and they make comments that I
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: clock or they like reels on Instagram that I see,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: where like it's not you saying fat people are awful,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: but it's it's like the microaggression of like, oh that's
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: a joke, that that's your internalized suff and I'm someone
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: too where I'm like I never want a friend to
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: feel like they can't talk to me about body image
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: stuff because we're all victims to it.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: It's like we're all in.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: This system, so it's not like just fat, but it's also.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Like it's internalized stuff, and so that's everyone's journey, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: I'm grateful that I'm on a different level of that
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: journey where I'm like, I don't hate myself, but it's
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: like crazy like I'll do like modeling or like boudoir
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: shoots and the photographers photographers will say to me like
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I have like really skinny women come in who like
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: do not want to show their stomach, and they're like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: you're in.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Here being like, oh my god, it's just like an
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: energy thing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: But I feel so bad that like so many people
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: that being told that. They're like and they're like, not,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: you don't have.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: To be fat to hate your body, right, Like a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: lot of skinny people are self conscious. Yeah, it really
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: is like you're.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Saying, like an it's you know the old you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: as somebody who's going through perimenopause. I'm getting older, and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: like today I was looking at myself. I was going
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: to do I'm going to record myself and do like
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: a TikTok, and I was looking at my face and
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, who do you know crazy?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: By the way, because you're like strikingly.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: But do you know what I'm saying? Though it's like
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and and so what what have I been listening? What
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: is the message that I have been getting that like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: there is something wrong with getting older? Oh my god, right,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: there's something wrong with getting older. There's something wrong with
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: having like extra skin, or being flabby, or being fat,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: or being too short or being like they are all
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: these things that we hear. And you have to be
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: very very careful and super self aware to not give
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: in to that, right, And it takes a long time
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to unlearn those things. And I keep on going back
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to it, like I wish so badly that I had
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: heard that I was okay the way that I was,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: and that it you know, if you want to lose weight,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: that's fine. If you don't, that's fine. Also, I had
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: this conversation with a family member who was trying to
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: get me to get another family member to have weight
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: loss surgery because I had had it, right, you should
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: tell them that they should do it, And I was like,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell them shit, Like they can
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: do it if they want to, but there's nothing wrong
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: with this person. They could stay the way that they are.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: They are are and beautiful and all the things that
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: one should But for.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: That, I'm like, why do people feel like it's okay
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to tell other people how their lives should be lived?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: That is? It really boils down to that, Like, but
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's like, why do
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you feel like it's okay to like and I see
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: this where it's like, oh, well, I'm just trying to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: help them be healthy, and it's like, well, I'm just
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: trying to get you to not sound like a fucking idiot,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: like don't put your foot in your mouth like that
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: where helped?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I really really think that there are people who truly believe.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are saying that they're helping.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: They're trying to help, and it is coming from a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: place of love, but they don't understand.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: There's they don't understand the nuance and there's more. It's
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: more than just like fat equals bad and unhealthy, right, Yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I have skinny friends who popeyes eight times a week,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: and you know, like, and people don't understand that you can,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: like I exercise not with the intent of losing weight,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: but with the intent of taking care of my body. Yes,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: and I like sometimes my weight fluctuates and sometimes it doesn't.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: But people that's like, why wouldn't you want to lose weight?
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, actually, my body, like I don't know.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: As I started, I stopped playing myself like I exercise
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: like and I'm very active, but I just completely stopped
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: weighing myself because I was like, this is not an
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: indicator of success or failure or health, like this is.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: You are the center.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: This is.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: You know, weigh yourself anymore at all.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I don't help because it would send me into a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: fucking tail spin. I'd be like, oh my god, I'm
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: doing all this work and I'm gaining weight or I'm
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: doing none of this, I'm losing like yeah, And it
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: was just like and I was just like, at no point,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: my friend in her bathroom has a scale where when
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you step on it, it just gives you a compliment.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It doesn't giveveryone a number. And it's like, I weigh
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: myself every time I'm at her fucking house because I'm like, I'm.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Giving you when that says you are the episode and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you look.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Great, and it's just like it was It's just like
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: it's cute and goofy, but it's it's a reminder that like, yeah,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: this doesn't fucking matter. This is just Earth's gravity pulling
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you down to the Earth. And what that actual like
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: equates to.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Different weights look different on different people. Like I was
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: with I was at Plus Brooklyn, which is like a
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: really awesome New York City's like only like consignment shop
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: for plus sized people, maybe like Vintage Plus Brooklyn. It's amazing.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: I'm there all the time, and they it's a really
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: safe space for like bigger bodies to find fashion in
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: a brick and mortar store, which you can't do. You
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: can't just like walk into them all and find and
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: outfit as a plus size bro.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: You can't.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: And I was with someone and we were talking about
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: like just like our sizes and we have two very
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: different bodies and wear the same size, and like you can't.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I'm sure we're different weights, but like you just can't
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: ever tell.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: You just can't.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, wait, settles in on somebody in a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: lot of different ways. The genetic I mean, there's a
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: lot that comes into it. I used to do this
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: really fucked up thing where I would I got on
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the scale every day, I would take a picture of it,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: and I had a folder in my phone with my
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you know, and and I finally was like, that's weird, Melissa,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: you should stop doing that. I started to realize it
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: was really bad for me because, like Michael said, depending
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: on what the number said, it would send.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Me of what you whether you had a good day
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, it would.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: It would determine that my good day or not. And
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I was a much I realized that I was a
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: much happier person when I got rid of it. I
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: believe in them all and I don't do it anymore.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: This case was super interesting. Basically like the Department of
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Probation cited medical fitness, but they couldn't show up policy
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: or standard behind it, which really boils down to like,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: we just don't like this. And also like I see
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: this all the time of lawsuits where it's like a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: thing happens, a person gets fired, there was no policy
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that they did it, they shouldn't have been doing it,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and then they get sued and they're like, oh, well
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: we have some policy, but they like they can't back
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: it up and they know they fucked up.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we know how it ended for that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So this is still ongoing article.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: It's like it hasn't it been going on for years
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: two yes, yeah.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And it's also like there's going to be a settlement.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: There's got to be a settlement or something like this
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: is ongoing.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: But the time this poor person, they're like their life
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: is i mean not at a standstill, but there's something
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: that they were trying to do.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where's my fucking job. I was trying to get
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: a paycheck, Like it wasn't like you're.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: And now I'm I don't know, dumping all my money
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: into this stupid say.
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  Speaker 4: Doubling down is crazy, Like you're at a point where
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: you can just be like, hey.
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  Speaker 2: That's not cool.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I should be on learning this this stuff and like
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I'm really sorry, here's money, Like you could get out
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: of this so easily.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I was. I was flying this is actually I was
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: flying this weekend and a fat person sat next to
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: me and I turned to him and I was like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I'm six four almost six y five, and I was
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: like I don't fit on this like he was he
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: was like sorry, sorry, and I was like I don't
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: fit on this plane either, man, Like I'm I can't
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: stand up in the bathroom. This is this plane wasn't
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: made for people like this wasn't made for us. I'm
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: wearing like business class. But if neither of us track
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: is more comfortable, it's the organization, It's the institution, right.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: I was telling someone today at Plus Brooklyn that weird
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: time about how me and this other girl had both
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: been stuck at one point in the emergency like aisle
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: and you're not allowed to be in it if you're
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: a certain size. So like one time I was on
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: the plane and they were like, actually, they said in
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: front of the whole packed plane, they were like, you
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: have to you're too big to be in this seat.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: You need to move.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: And so then I had to like go around and
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: like ask different people to move, and people wouldn't move.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: So it was just like this like scene in front
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: of the plane, and like it was It's one of
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: those things where like I don't feel ashamed by how
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I look. I actually think I'm beautiful, But like when
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: you're in a position like that where you know what
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: other people think and you're just sort of like it's
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: delaying the taking off and stuff, and this happened. This
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: happens a lot to people.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Because let's suit about that. That is really fucked up.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: It's fine. You don't want me to sit in this
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: seat because you think that I'm too big? Fine, how
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: dare you make me go around asking people.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: To make someone you make something?
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I can't even talk about like that is no,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: that's outrageous though, honestly, like the idea, the audacity to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: make you do that job.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I could say, people.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Like you think I'm not.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: You think to be like, let's throw you in the water.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I will tell you so my dad, my dad. I
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: used to make travel amazements for my father, and as
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: my father was getting older, I started to feel like, Dad,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: you really shouldn't be in that seat because you can't
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: help anybody do anything. He's like, I'm not helping. I
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: don't He's like, I don't care, I'm not helping you
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: help do anything. He's like, but I want the extra
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: leg room or whatever it was.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: I was like, okay, honestly fair though, if I said
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: that to the flight attendant, They're like, you need to
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: move your two fat and I'm like, well I need.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: What are you going to cost me to one? Age?
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Well, and thank you for joining us. This has been
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: so glad we got it. Come back and see us.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: This was great and my god, yeah, tell us your
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: socials and let everybody know what you're going to be
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: taking your show on the road again.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: This is your camera, so straight to canter all your
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: socials flip it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm anna snap and my my socials are the
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Anna snap t A G A N N A S
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: N A P P.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: There are two p's in snaps.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And when we're talking about, you know, opening yourself up
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to the world, what sort of messages are you looking
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to receive and from whom?
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much for your work and your words.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: I here's what I'm open to. Okay.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I love compliments, I love praise. Yeah, period, that's kidding.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, into my DMS. I'm single.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And love it, love it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And also both Michael and I are following Anna, so
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: if you.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Find yeah, yes you can find.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: And I have no followers, so you'll be really easy.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: But not for love.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: In real life. Oh my god, we have to do
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: it again.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is tales from the DMS, where you guys
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: send me the weirdest, craziest, nuttiest, freakiest things you find
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: on the internet and you send them to me. In
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the form of a question, and I answer it as
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a lawyer.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: But remember, friends, like I always tell you, while Michael
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: is a lawyer, he is not your lawyer.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: All right, So this is our first question.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: First question.
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  Speaker 5: I had a best friend for about eight years. Maybe
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: they were a very wealthy family. I was there like
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: personal assistant whatnot. And I did a lot of tasks
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: for them and they couldn't They didn't pay me in cash.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: They said they were like low on gosh, so they
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: would pay me with like old designer bags.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop stop. First of all. First of all, first
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: of all, beautiful voice. Next whatever.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: But I was already annoyed when I heard that. He
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: was like, well, you know, I was my best friend,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: but I was working for them for no money. What
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: they were taking A.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Said, yes, yeah, that have some self respect something. I mean,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, way to victim blame Michael.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, we don't Actually we don't understand.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Showing him on the family right.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah again on the family. And it is too bad
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that you were I mean, I'm assuming in a situation
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: where you felt like you had to do this, But
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I already don't like this.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: It sounds like this, Okay, So the question, really, the
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: crux of the question really is that, like he was
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: arrested for selling these bags given to him as payment.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: It was no big deal. In college, this friend was
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a roommate. They this this man lived in his friend's
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: house as a roommate and paid rent. Moved to a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: new city, accuser of stealing stop by. The police had
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a warrant for my arrest for theft considered state jail
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: felony theft. Okay, so these were like beat up designer bags.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: They accused him of stealing the bags from this house.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: But it sounds like they couldn't pay him in cash originally,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: So this.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Is like like almost like a barter.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also like if they couldn't pay you originally,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: that's the first sign that they're broke. And now they're
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: trying to operation repo the fucking bags. Like that's messed up.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, excuse me, your luck pay a fucking employee.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: You then paid them in goods, and then you were
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: like give.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Me that back, but not even like good goods, beat
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: up goods. This is all of this is sitting very
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: wrong with me. It's leaving a bad taste in the mouth.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: So insofar as like the law. The fact that there's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a warrant out for your arrest, I know you haven't
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: heard in a while, Like that is concerning to me.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Like warrants don't expire, they're just not enforced. So I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: would A felony arrest can't be ignored. It's not just
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: gonna like go away on its own, So I would.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I would contact like the court or a clerk somehow
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: wherever it was issued and try and find out, like
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: if it's still an active warrant.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Should this person see a lawyer?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: That sounds oh, definitely likes find a lawyer, friends, because
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: waiting six months to resolve a warrant, like ken, I
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: did not like.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: This for you at all.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I'm actually I hate uestions like this because now what's
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: gonna what's gonna happen to me is like I'm going
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: to be thinking about this.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, Well, the other thing is, don't fucking talk to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: that roommate. Don't communicate with the accuser because anything you're saying,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: they're compiling evidence and you should be compiling evidence too.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: So like any comms they sent you, any emails, you
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: have receipts, like you were given the bags as payment,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and that's technically like a legal transfer, not theft. You're
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: just gonna have to like prove that somehow. So if
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: there you'll have to like show services rendered. I know
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: they didn't give you a receipt for the bags, but
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I would want you to sort of dig and show
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: that like you did do work and there there was
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: some sort of like exchange for this rather than theft.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, you tell me, Michael, like see if there
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: are like any emails or text messages referree to like
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: like living there in like work.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: You're gonna do yeah, right, everything done verbally like that
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: is what I would really dig in. If this were
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: my client, I would get around that.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Please, if you can go see an attorney. I'm very
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: worried about you.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I really like that's I mean, that's very sweet of you. Yeah, definitely, yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: But I hate I hate bullies. I hate shit like this.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the fact that they were they're trying
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to take them back and they also do pay you
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: also just fucking pay the part like that is so weird.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I don't like any something's not adding up, something's wrong anyway.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: This has been tales from the DMS. Feel free to
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: send us your questions anything, any weird legal questions do
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: you have on your mind? Send them our way. Y'all
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: asked me about driverless cars, and I was in a
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: driverless driverless car last week and it was really fun
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to like, yeah, I loved it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Was it weird? I prefer it is it because you
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: don't want to be spoken to, because I don't.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: If I don't want to be perceived by the Internet
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: as someone who don't make eye contact with me. But
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I did love not having to chat and there it
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: was immaculate. It was so clean. It was so clean,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and it kind of drove like a messy bitch, like
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it drove like a taxi driver, like it was not
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like super robotic. I was like, oh, you almost killed her. Yeah.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: It was really like driving as if it were like
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: you and I were driving, where it's like pulls up
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and like slams on the brakes or like right on red.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Like there was all sorts of stuff where it was like, oh, wow,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: this is like a real person. I thought it was
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: going to be like you know, the fucking airport trolley. Yeah, yeah,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: it goes really really slow and it's like a right.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: But pretty fuch. I would like something like that is
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: because I don't love endless chatter when I'm in a car.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I don't mind it saying hi, obviously I love that,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: but like the constant chattering while I'm in a cab
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: or something just kind.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Of I'm like that with a massage too.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, I prefer a silent massage.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell them up up top. Thank you
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: so much. I'm probably going to fall asleep, yeah, so
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: feel free to.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Not my massage caret AOD.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: And I'll wave if I need you. Yeah. Yeah, anyway,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: this has been brief recess. Thank you so much for
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: joining us. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa mel Brands. I'll
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: see you in court. This has been an exactly right
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: production recorded at iHeart Studios, hosted by me Michael Foot.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: And me Melissa Malbrant. Our producer is CJ. Ferroni.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: is Patrick Cottner.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Our theme song was composed by Tom Brifogel with artwork
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: from Charlotte Delarue Manessa Lilac, with photography by Brad Obono.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Brief Recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: and Danielle Kramer.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy
• 40:31
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• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm on both Instagram and TikTok is Melissa Albrant.
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