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Friends of Earth: The Onboard UFO Encounter of Michael and Janet · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, My name is Preston Dennett. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: joining me for a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal.
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Speaker 1: We've got a very special episode for you today, which
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Speaker 1: I call the Friends of Earth. The Onboard UFO Encounter
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Speaker 1: of Michael and Janet. This is perhaps better known as
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Speaker 1: the buff Ledge Encounter. This one took place on August seventeen,
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, at a girls camp called buff Ledge,
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Speaker 1: located on the shores of Lake Champlain in Vermont. This
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Speaker 1: is a very special and important case, I think, because
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Speaker 1: it does involve multiple witnesses and it's incredibly detailed with
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Speaker 1: an enormous amount of information from the ets. It's one
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Speaker 1: of the better multiple witness cases out there, which was
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Speaker 1: very thoroughly investigated by experienced researcher Walter Webb. So this
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Speaker 1: case is so important I think that people deserve to
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Speaker 1: know more about it. It's not super well known. There
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Speaker 1: was a book written on the case, but it's now
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Speaker 1: a collector's item and very hard to find. If I
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Speaker 1: really wanted to bring this case to everyone's attention because
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Speaker 1: it is so incredibly detailed. So let's just start with
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the encounter, which I call the encounter
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Speaker 1: begins again. There are two witnesses, in this case, sixteen
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Speaker 1: year old Michael Lapp that is a pseudonym. He was
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Speaker 1: an employee at the buff Ledge Girls Camp in Colchester, Vermont,
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Speaker 1: just north of Burlington, along the shores of Lake Champlain,
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Speaker 1: and the other witness was a nineteen year old Janet Cornell,
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Speaker 1: also a pseudonym and also an employee of the buff
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Speaker 1: Ledge Camp. It was just after sunset on August seventeen,
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, that Michael and Janet sat at the
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Speaker 1: end of an L shaped wooden dock on Lake Champlain.
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Speaker 1: They knew each other only in passing, but for the
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Speaker 1: past hour had talked in gotten to know each other
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Speaker 1: much better. Michael's job at the camp was to maintain
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Speaker 1: the boats in water equipment and transport water skiers from
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Speaker 1: the dock to the raft. Janet was a water skier instructor.
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Speaker 1: This private camp had about forty employees and hosted around
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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty girls. On this evening, Michael and
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Speaker 1: Janet were alone on the dock, though there were others
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Speaker 1: up in the cabins located a short distance away, which
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Speaker 1: overlooked the dock and the lake. However, most of the
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Speaker 1: girls at the camp were at a swim meet at
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Speaker 1: the time of this encounter. The sun had just set
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Speaker 1: when Michael noticed a bright starlk object, which he at
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Speaker 1: first assumed must be Venus. But suddenly this Starlk object
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Speaker 1: swung down in an arc to the right. Michael shouted
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Speaker 1: out wow. He pointed it out to Janet and said,
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Speaker 1: Venus is falling. It obviously was not Venus, and they
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Speaker 1: could now see that it was an oval or cigar
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Speaker 1: shaped object hovering stationery in the sky. It looked large
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Speaker 1: and somewhat distant to them, but almost immediately three bright
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Speaker 1: objects emerged from the lower right side of this object,
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Speaker 1: while the large craft reversed course, rising upwards and became
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Speaker 1: a Starlik light, then moved off into the distance and disappeared.
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Speaker 1: So at this point, the three smaller objects that came
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Speaker 1: out of it began to put on a fantastic display zigzagging, spiraling,
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Speaker 1: starting and stopping, performing falling leaf motions and more. These
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Speaker 1: objects slowly moved closer to the witnesses so that they
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Speaker 1: could now see that these lights were in fact disc
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Speaker 1: shaped craft with a dome on top, and after about
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Speaker 1: five minutes, these objects assumed a triangular position, with one
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Speaker 1: object much closer to the witnesses than the other two.
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Speaker 1: The other two objects then darted off in different directions
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Speaker 1: and disappeared, while this remaining craft hovered over the center
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Speaker 1: of the lake and then slowly started to move towards
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Speaker 1: the witnesses, who could now hear a high pitched, wavering
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Speaker 1: sound coming from it, and as the object moved closer,
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Speaker 1: the witnesses could now see a band of colored lights
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Speaker 1: around the circumference of this craft. Both were absolutely amazed
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Speaker 1: by this display, but now seeing this craft come closer,
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Speaker 1: Michael began to feel some fear, as he felt like
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Speaker 1: it was quote stalking us. He was also shocked by
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Speaker 1: the just phantasmagorical nature of this UFO display, so much
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Speaker 1: so that he started to ask Janet repeatedly to touch
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Speaker 1: his face and to let him touch hers to test
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Speaker 1: if they were dreaming, and finally he told Janet, I
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Speaker 1: think we should go. Janet replied, I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: think we should stay. The object took off upwards and disappeared.
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Speaker 1: Michael again reiterated his desire to leave, and again Janet
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Speaker 1: said no, they should stay. Immediately the craft reappeared, coming
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Speaker 1: straight down now and hovering over the lake. It stopped
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Speaker 1: and then plunged into the lake and estimated two miles
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Speaker 1: away at an angle. Instantly, a powerful wind blew over them,
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Speaker 1: and a series of three foot waves swept towards them
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Speaker 1: from where this craft had plunged into the water. At
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Speaker 1: the same time, dogs began barking, cats began howling off
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Speaker 1: in the distance. Shortly later, the disk re emerged and
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Speaker 1: all this activity stopped. The whole area became silent. This
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Speaker 1: craft then moved closer and lower in a series of
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Speaker 1: step like motions. As Michael says, it was unnervingly quick.
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Speaker 1: Looking over at Janet, he saw that she now appeared
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Speaker 1: to be in some kind of trance or, as he said,
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Speaker 1: spaced out. Now, Janet does have some memory of this,
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Speaker 1: as she says, we watched them the UFOs for maybe
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Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minutes, when one of the lights appeared
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Speaker 1: to be moving directly towards us, becoming larger and brighter.
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Speaker 1: So they estimated this object moved to about sixty feet
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Speaker 1: away from the dock and was twenty feet above the
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Speaker 1: surface of the lake. This disk, they estimate, was about
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Speaker 1: fifty feet across or quote as big as a small house.
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Speaker 1: Now this dome on top of the craft now became transparent,
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Speaker 1: and inside they could see two childlike figures visible from
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Speaker 1: the chest up. These figures had large bald heads, large
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Speaker 1: dark goggle like eyes, two nostril holes where the nose
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Speaker 1: would be, and a small rounded mouth and a thin neck.
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Speaker 1: They said there was kind of a greenish tint to
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Speaker 1: their skin, and they appeared to be wearing skin tight
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Speaker 1: grayish uniforms. So Michael shouted out, Janet, look at this,
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Speaker 1: this is incredible, and glancing at her, she still appeared
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Speaker 1: to be dazed and in some kind of a trance. Michael, however,
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Speaker 1: was fully awake, but he was also in shock and
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Speaker 1: started to feel some real fear. But as Janet says,
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Speaker 1: I have a vague memory of quickly sitting down. I
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Speaker 1: believe I closed my eyes and ducked for fear that
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Speaker 1: the object would hit us. After that point in the incident,
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Speaker 1: my memory doesn't come up with anything. You can tell
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Speaker 1: from the testimony of both witnesses how impressive this was.
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Speaker 1: Really no room for misperception here. Too much is going on.
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely an astonishing sighting. It started out as a
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Speaker 1: close encounter of the first kind, a simple sighting. But
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Speaker 1: as this object moved into the lake, this is when
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Speaker 1: it became a close encounter of the second kind, because
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Speaker 1: it affected the lake itself, and of course we have
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Speaker 1: strong animal reactions as well. Then it very quickly escalated
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Speaker 1: to a close encounter of the third kind, one involving humanoids.
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Speaker 1: And what happened next is so amazing because you don't
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Speaker 1: often get this kind of detail in close encounters where
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Speaker 1: the primary witness, Michael was able to hold a very
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Speaker 1: long and illuminating conversation directly with the ets. So Janet,
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Speaker 1: while her eyes are open, appears to be in some
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Speaker 1: kind of a trance. But Michael is fully awake, and
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Speaker 1: he saw that these two grays were looking down at
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Speaker 1: him intently and shocked. Michael asked them out loud, what
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Speaker 1: do you want? Where are you from? Are you going
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Speaker 1: to hurt us? The ets replied telepathically, speaking in perfect
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Speaker 1: English with a slightly feminine tone, He said, we are
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Speaker 1: not here to harm you. Michael was amazed to hear
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Speaker 1: this voice quote talking in my head, and he said
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Speaker 1: out loud, what is this? He apparently was not familiar
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Speaker 1: with telepathy. And the ET said, this is what you
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Speaker 1: call telepathy. So he immediately turned to Janet and asked
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Speaker 1: her did you hear that? Janet woke up briefly from
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Speaker 1: her trance, looked at the figures and asked, are they
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Speaker 1: speaking to us? But she quickly lapsed back into her
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Speaker 1: daze her trance. So Michael turned back to these grays
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Speaker 1: and said, what are you doing here? The ET repeated
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Speaker 1: that Michael should not worry, that he would not be harmed,
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Speaker 1: and then said that they returned to Earth quote after
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Speaker 1: the first atomic bomb exploded. So Michael asked them, where
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Speaker 1: are you from? The ET replied, we are from far
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Speaker 1: away and gave the name of a home planet or system,
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Speaker 1: but Michael was unable to remember the name other than
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Speaker 1: it had many syllables. He then heard the ets speaking
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Speaker 1: to each other telepathically in a sort of high pitched,
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Speaker 1: rapid and unintelligible language. At this point, Michael felt a
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Speaker 1: sense of utter disbelief at what was happening, and at
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Speaker 1: the same time, a strange calmness descended over him. It
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Speaker 1: all seemed, as he said, quote, totally absurd, and in
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Speaker 1: response to the emotion sweeping over him, he slapped his knee,
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Speaker 1: began laughing and thought to himself, I still don't believe this. Instantly,
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Speaker 1: the figure on the left inside the craft slapped its
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Speaker 1: own knee, seemed to laugh, and tossed his head the
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Speaker 1: same way Michael had, in perfect mimicry of Michael. Astonished,
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Speaker 1: Michael touched his own face again, just to establish that
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Speaker 1: he wasn't dreaming and that all of this was actually
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Speaker 1: happening to him. This sense of peace enveloped him as
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Speaker 1: he and the alien stared at each other, and he
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Speaker 1: thought to himself how interesting it would be if he
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Speaker 1: and Janet could go inside the craft. Suddenly, the et
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Speaker 1: disappeared from view. The UFO moved forward, even closer, almost
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Speaker 1: over their heads. The craft then moved directly overhead. A
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Speaker 1: beam of bright light shone down on both he and Janet,
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Speaker 1: and at that point Michael saw quote the brightest light
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Speaker 1: and the whitest white I've ever seen, a mass of
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Speaker 1: liquid light, almost physical stuff. He looked down at his
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Speaker 1: hand and he could see the outline of his bones
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Speaker 1: inside his fingers. He heard the voices in his head
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Speaker 1: and felt himself losing consciousness. Michael quickly grabbed Janet by
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Speaker 1: the shoulders and pulled her down on the dock to
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Speaker 1: protect her. And he felt the sense that they were
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Speaker 1: both about to be taken, and he shouted out, we
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Speaker 1: don't want to go, and he thought to himself, Jesus
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Speaker 1: protect us. How amazing is that this was all fully
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Speaker 1: consciously recalled, this very long conversation with what appeared to
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Speaker 1: be gray type ets. And this, of course, is when
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Speaker 1: the close encounter escalated from a close encounter of the
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Speaker 1: third kind to one of the fourth kind. At this time,
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Speaker 1: I don't think the witnesses were aware of this. They
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Speaker 1: would soon discover that they had missing time, and that
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Speaker 1: is why this next section is so important, which I
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Speaker 1: call aftermath, because it was then that they realized how
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Speaker 1: profoundly this encounter affected them, not only immediately afterward, but
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Speaker 1: in the years that came following this encounter. After that
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Speaker 1: beam of light hit them and they felt like they
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Speaker 1: were losing consciousness, they both slowly regained awareness. Michael found
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Speaker 1: himself still on the dock next to Janet, with the
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Speaker 1: craft hovering overhead up behind him towards the cabins. He
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Speaker 1: heard car doors slamming and people talking, and he heard
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Speaker 1: someone shout out, what's happening. Wow, look at that it
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Speaker 1: turned off if the girls had just come home from
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Speaker 1: their swim meet. Immediately the craft winked out. The UFO
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Speaker 1: raised upwards, sending out rapid fire flashes of light, and
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Speaker 1: took off in mere seconds. It was a tiny dot
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Speaker 1: in the sky and was gone. So the two of
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Speaker 1: them stood up and began to walk back to the cabins.
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Speaker 1: Janet said, I am so sleepy. Michael told her, we
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Speaker 1: can't forget any of this, and Janet told him, don't worry,
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Speaker 1: we won't. But I'm so sleepy I have to sleep.
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Speaker 1: She still recalled seeing the three lights starting around. She
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Speaker 1: vaguely recalled one of them coming very close and looking
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Speaker 1: quite large. She remembered it getting close, and then both
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Speaker 1: of them dropping down and quote hitting the dock. But
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Speaker 1: she was now surprised by Michael's strong feelings about what
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Speaker 1: she now believed was a simple sighting of unexplained lights
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Speaker 1: over the lake. At this point, she did not remember
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Speaker 1: seeing any humanoids, so they walked from the dock up
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Speaker 1: to the camp. Janet went off to sleep in her
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Speaker 1: cabin while Michael was approached by another woman, Susan that's
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Speaker 1: a pseudonym who asked him what happened. Apparently she had
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Speaker 1: seen something and Michael told her it was a flying saucer. Now,
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Speaker 1: apparently several people at the camp had seen the stranger
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Speaker 1: lights down over the dock, and buzz about the sighting
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Speaker 1: quickly spread through the camp. The camp director, Richard Wilde,
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Speaker 1: again a pseudonym, and others at the camp, began to
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Speaker 1: approach Michael and asked him who was there with them.
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Speaker 1: Michael evaded the question. Like Janet, he was also overcome
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Speaker 1: with sleepiness, and he was also emotionally overwhelmed by what
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Speaker 1: had just happened. He went to his cabin, where he
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Speaker 1: was met by his friend Patrick, aged twenty, who ran
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Speaker 1: up to him and said, something really strange happened to
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Speaker 1: you at the lake, didn't it. I saw it. I
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Speaker 1: saw the whole thing, and I still don't know what
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Speaker 1: I saw, but it was very weird and it flew away,
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Speaker 1: that's for sure. It really freaked me out. So apparently
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Speaker 1: Patrick had seen all of this as well, and he
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Speaker 1: insisted on calling nearby Plattsburgh Air Force Base, located some
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Speaker 1: ten miles from the lake. So together they called the
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Speaker 1: base to report the sighting, but the response from the
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Speaker 1: base was negative. They said only that they knew nothing
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Speaker 1: about any UFOs, so Michael went to sleep. He estimates
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Speaker 1: around nine pm, which would indicate at least one or
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Speaker 1: two hours of missing time. He woke up about an
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Speaker 1: hour later. He tried to approach Janet to talk about
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Speaker 1: the sighting, but she was still asleep. He wandered around
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Speaker 1: the camp and found another guy sitting at the edge
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Speaker 1: of the playfield drinking, so Michael joined him and, for
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Speaker 1: the first time in his life, got drunk. He then
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Speaker 1: went to bed and woke up the next morning with
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Speaker 1: a terrible hangover. That evening, he drove home and told
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Speaker 1: his family, I've seen a flying saucer. Now. He's not
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Speaker 1: sure if he told him about having a direct conversation
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Speaker 1: with the ets, not sure if he told him about
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Speaker 1: the humanoids, but he does recall that the response was,
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Speaker 1: if not entirely negative, a bit underwhelming. He implored them
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Speaker 1: to believe him and at least remember his telling them
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Speaker 1: about it, so he was very concerned that people remember this.
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Speaker 1: He also approached his girlfriend and told her, who seemed
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Speaker 1: somewhat shocked and taken aback by his story. He did
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Speaker 1: try to talk to Janet but never got the opportunity,
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Speaker 1: and Janet herself recalled that Michael seemed a bit stand
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Speaker 1: offish because she also wanted to talk with him, but
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Speaker 1: never did, and following this, the sighting completely left Janet.
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Speaker 1: She never thought about it and completely forgot about it.
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Speaker 1: The camp season was over just a few weeks later,
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Speaker 1: so off she went. She grew up, She went to college,
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Speaker 1: she got a degree in psychology, married a doctor, and
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Speaker 1: never once thought about this encounter. But in the months
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Speaker 1: that followed, Michael's life changed dramatically. He began to experience
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Speaker 1: intense highs and lows. He began to have vivid flashbacks
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Speaker 1: and occasional dreams of this encounter and the ets. He
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Speaker 1: dreamt of being on board the craft, but he refused
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Speaker 1: to think too much about it. While he knew it
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Speaker 1: really happened, was very difficult for him to process, and
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Speaker 1: he was frightened that it might drive him crazy. He
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Speaker 1: became interested in mysticism and meditation. He ended up dropping
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Speaker 1: out of college and traveled across the United States, but
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Speaker 1: finally did return to Vermont and went back to college
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Speaker 1: and graduated with a degree in religion. It was ten
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Speaker 1: years later that he read an article about UFOs and
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Speaker 1: decided to report his encounter, which led to him being
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Speaker 1: put in touch with researcher Walter N. Webb, then an
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Speaker 1: investigator for the Center of UFO Studies QFOS and in
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Speaker 1: fact one of the principal researchers of the very well
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Speaker 1: known Betty and Barney hillcase. So this began the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Walter Webb arranged to have Michael put under hypnosis. He
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Speaker 1: also contacted Janet, who was completely shocked to hear from
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Speaker 1: him and hear about this encounter because only after speaking
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Speaker 1: with him did she remember it. She hadn't thought of
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Speaker 1: it since it happened. And have to give kudos to Michael,
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Speaker 1: the primary witness for finding the courage to step forward.
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Speaker 1: I think the vast majority of people who have this
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Speaker 1: kind of experience don't step forward and even keep it
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Speaker 1: secret from people that they are very close to, their family,
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Speaker 1: their friends. This was clearly something that affected him so profoundly.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to figure out what had happened to him,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's why he stepped forward and contacted researchers.
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Speaker 1: And what's so amazing about this particular incident is that
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Speaker 1: Michael and Janet the two witnesses hadn't spoken to each
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Speaker 1: other about this encounter really at all, so there was
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Speaker 1: no way their testimonies could influence each other's, and going
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Speaker 1: under hypnosis, this is where we find that their testimonies
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Speaker 1: matched down to the tiniest detail, which really provides an
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Speaker 1: enormous amount of confirmation that this was in fact a
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Speaker 1: real event and that yes, hypnotic regression done correctly is
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Speaker 1: very effective to recover memories accurately. But this next segment,
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Speaker 1: which I call Taken on Board, is so amazingly detailed.
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Speaker 1: It's one of the most profound and poignant and detailed
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Speaker 1: on board encounters I've ever heard, where the ets provide
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Speaker 1: so much information to the witness. It's such an extraordinary case.
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Speaker 1: After several interviews and consultations, both Michael and Janet did
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Speaker 1: agree to be separately hypnotized. Both underwent several sessions under hypnosis.
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Speaker 1: Both not only separately recalled being taken on board, their
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Speaker 1: memories matched each others in minute detail. Under hypnosis, Michael's
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Speaker 1: conscious memories of the beginning of the encounter and the
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Speaker 1: telepathic conversation were virtually identical. What hypnists did do was
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Speaker 1: add more information So after seeing these craft and having
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Speaker 1: this UFO come up to him and seeing the humanoids,
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Speaker 1: he asked them, why did you come, And, as Michael says,
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Speaker 1: they said that there were lots of reasons, but that
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Speaker 1: it was nothing that mattered to me so much that
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Speaker 1: they could tell me. Then they said, you could say
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Speaker 1: we're interested because of the atomic explosions. They said something
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Speaker 1: about that they had always been here, but they were
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Speaker 1: interested in the atomic tests and preventing something from happening.
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Speaker 1: They also talked a little bit about coming here for
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Speaker 1: energy and perhaps protecting him from others. But they told
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Speaker 1: him we're not here to harm you. We're the friends
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Speaker 1: of Earth. One of the reasons we are here is
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Speaker 1: to protect you from yourselves. The atomic bombs are more
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Speaker 1: dangerous than you know, and part of what we do
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Speaker 1: is about them. So Michael asked them, do you mean
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Speaker 1: to stop wars? And they said wars, but more we
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Speaker 1: have to clean up. There are other reasons, though you
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Speaker 1: cannot know why we are here. That doesn't concern you
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Speaker 1: right now. So Michael asked them, where are you from?
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Speaker 1: Have you been here before? The Etes said again, we're
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Speaker 1: friends of Earth. They told him we've been here many times.
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Speaker 1: We've always been here. We're from far away. Also so
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Speaker 1: far away you don't have a place for it in
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Speaker 1: your systems. It wouldn't make sense to tell you because
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Speaker 1: you couldn't understand. So Michael does have vague memories of
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Speaker 1: them saying something along the lines of alpha PSI or
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Speaker 1: pi epsilon. But it was at this point Michael was
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Speaker 1: in such disbelief that he laughed and slapped his knee,
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Speaker 1: and then the ET on the left inside the craft
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Speaker 1: mimicked his movements, and this is when Michael felt this
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Speaker 1: incredible connection to these ets. The ET then told him
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Speaker 1: don't be afraid, and at that moment, still in a
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Speaker 1: deep telepathic connection with the ET, something extraordinary happened. Michael
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Speaker 1: describes that he was given a full life review, very
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Speaker 1: much like what people describe in a near death experience.
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Speaker 1: As Michael says, in a flash, my whole life passed
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Speaker 1: before my eyes, my whole life almost in a whisper.
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Speaker 1: I was amazed. It was like they knew me really
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Speaker 1: well now, like they were my best friends. They understood
22:04
Speaker 1: somehow more than anyone, and yet I knew nothing about them.
22:09
Speaker 1: So Michael asked them, how did you do that, and
22:13
Speaker 1: with a voice that felt soft and gentle, the Et replied,
22:17
Speaker 1: does it matter. Michael had the impression that the Et
22:20
Speaker 1: was smiling. So it was following this conversation that Michael
22:24
Speaker 1: expressed a desire to see inside of the craft. Then
22:28
Speaker 1: the craft moved overhead and struck them with a beam
22:30
Speaker 1: of light, and suddenly both Michael and Janet felt a
22:34
Speaker 1: floating sensation, a sensation of quick movement. His eyes were
22:39
Speaker 1: closed when suddenly he felt like he was in a
22:41
Speaker 1: different place, and he opened his eyes, and as Michael says,
22:46
Speaker 1: I could see that we were in a craft, and
22:49
Speaker 1: there was a huge craft in front of us, and
22:51
Speaker 1: stars all around and darkness. One of the beings was talking,
22:56
Speaker 1: and one was driving the smaller craft was being driven
22:59
Speaker 1: into this big, huge ship. And they said that they
23:03
Speaker 1: had been on Earth on and off for as long
23:05
Speaker 1: as we have, and we and they were like brothers
23:09
Speaker 1: and sisters, and that I was going for training and
23:12
Speaker 1: that I should be able to show people that we
23:14
Speaker 1: are different than what we think we are. What I
23:17
Speaker 1: was going to learn might take lifetimes to divulge. What
23:20
Speaker 1: was important was that they were here and I was
23:23
Speaker 1: with them, and this was something new so Michael recalled
23:27
Speaker 1: this smaller ship approaching the larger one. It went inside
23:31
Speaker 1: and he was floated via a beam of light with
23:33
Speaker 1: Janet from the small craft into the larger one. This
23:38
Speaker 1: small craft remained floating in the air at one side
23:40
Speaker 1: of the room. He described this room as being very large.
23:45
Speaker 1: He said it had a tall transparent dome overhead and
23:48
Speaker 1: a curved metallic walls that glowed with a silvery light.
23:52
Speaker 1: There was a row of colored lights around the edge
23:55
Speaker 1: of the room. He said that there were other four
23:58
Speaker 1: identical looking grays. One stood behind him and began to
24:01
Speaker 1: communicate with him telepathically. Another was facing a console and
24:06
Speaker 1: what looked like a large computer like screen. So Michael
24:10
Speaker 1: asked them, where are we? They told him, well, look
24:15
Speaker 1: out and see. This is when Michael looked out the
24:18
Speaker 1: dome and he could see the Earth in the moon.
24:21
Speaker 1: They looked very small, very far away, and he was
24:24
Speaker 1: surprised that he felt no fear to find himself so
24:27
Speaker 1: far away from Earth. He immediately asked about Janet, and
24:30
Speaker 1: the et pointed, and he saw that Janet was lying
24:33
Speaker 1: on a table near by, being physically examined by the beings.
24:38
Speaker 1: She appeared to be semi conscious. They were shining lights
24:41
Speaker 1: in her eyes, taking skin samples. Tools seemed to extrude
24:46
Speaker 1: from the walls and then disappear back into them. He said.
24:49
Speaker 1: A machine came down from the ceiling and took samples
24:53
Speaker 1: of saliva from her mouth. They appeared to take a
24:55
Speaker 1: blood sample. They inserted a tube inside her, and then
25:00
Speaker 1: he asked them what are you doing, and the ET replied,
25:05
Speaker 1: we're just seeing what you're like now, and we're looking
25:08
Speaker 1: at her body or taking fluid from her body. This
25:11
Speaker 1: will help us in our task. It doesn't hurt. So
25:15
Speaker 1: they explained to him that they were using the samples
25:18
Speaker 1: from her body to make life in other places. This point,
25:22
Speaker 1: he recalled touching the ET's hand, and as Michael says,
25:26
Speaker 1: he smiles his lipless smile, and I feel love and
25:30
Speaker 1: I touch him his hand. I lean against the arm
25:33
Speaker 1: and it's sort of wet and clamming. So Michael asked him,
25:37
Speaker 1: where are we going. The ET's answer surprised him. The
25:41
Speaker 1: ET said, it's quite amazing. You know that you're still
25:45
Speaker 1: here asking questions. Something in you won't quit, which is
25:49
Speaker 1: good for us because we find out more, but it
25:52
Speaker 1: will be hard for you. There will be times when
25:55
Speaker 1: you'll remember us and think that we're evil, that this
25:58
Speaker 1: should have never happened to you. You unfair. You'll say so
26:03
Speaker 1: much happened in a short time. But try to love
26:06
Speaker 1: and you will. As Michael says, when he talks, I
26:10
Speaker 1: feel this fantastic closeness. He told me that it would
26:14
Speaker 1: be hard for me because I remember some and I'm
26:16
Speaker 1: still awake. So at this point, the et led him
26:20
Speaker 1: to a table which was at an angle. This table
26:23
Speaker 1: then pivoted to a horizontal position with him on it,
26:27
Speaker 1: and the ets told him, we are looking in your mind.
26:31
Speaker 1: It's your turn. This table was on a single pedestal,
26:34
Speaker 1: and as he lay on it, he said it felt
26:36
Speaker 1: both firm and soft at the same time it gave
26:40
Speaker 1: to his body. He also noticed that had lights and
26:43
Speaker 1: things in it that he didn't fully understand. But as
26:46
Speaker 1: Michael says, I could see myself being given information and
26:51
Speaker 1: being spoken to on all these different screens I was
26:54
Speaker 1: going for training. What I was going to learn might
26:58
Speaker 1: take lifetimes to devoulte. So he saw a screen where
27:01
Speaker 1: the results of his own exam were apparently being displayed,
27:05
Speaker 1: and again he felt himself in very close telepathic communication
27:10
Speaker 1: with the ET, who would answer his thoughts the moment
27:13
Speaker 1: he thought them. It felt to him as though he
27:16
Speaker 1: had spent a lifetime with them. He asked the ET,
27:20
Speaker 1: what will happen to me when I get back, because
27:22
Speaker 1: he was worried that all this information would drive him crazy,
27:26
Speaker 1: and the ET replied, you will be all right, you
27:29
Speaker 1: won't go crazy now. Janet's recall under hypnosis was not
27:33
Speaker 1: quite as extensive as Michael's, and she also had more
27:37
Speaker 1: difficulty breaking through the wall of amnesia, but with the
27:40
Speaker 1: skill of the hypnotist, her memories came flooding back. Now
27:45
Speaker 1: under hypnosis, Janet also recalled the beginning of encounter, the
27:49
Speaker 1: sighting this craft moving closer the ets. She remembered all
27:54
Speaker 1: of this. She recalled how excited Michael had become. It
27:58
Speaker 1: is repeated entreaty to confirm reality by touching each other's
28:02
Speaker 1: face and to remember the events, and how incredible it
28:06
Speaker 1: all was. She recalled him asking if she saw the
28:09
Speaker 1: aliens inside the craft. She said that she didn't want
28:12
Speaker 1: to look, but finally did. As Janet says, I think
28:16
Speaker 1: that I saw more than one. It wasn't a regular head,
28:20
Speaker 1: it was something different about it. I think they were short.
28:23
Speaker 1: Was looking at us. They don't look like you know humans.
28:28
Speaker 1: Janet did recall that they wore one piece jumpsuits. She
28:32
Speaker 1: was shocked and frightened by how close the craft and
28:35
Speaker 1: the beings were. She remembered closing her eyes and trying
28:38
Speaker 1: to ignore it in the hopes that it would just
28:39
Speaker 1: go away. And as she says, it's like I was
28:43
Speaker 1: in a daze the whole time, which is exactly what
28:46
Speaker 1: Michael remembered. Janet did recall the light hitting them and
28:50
Speaker 1: dropping down to the dock. Like Michael, she felt her
28:53
Speaker 1: fear leaving her In that quote, someone was telling me
28:58
Speaker 1: to just go to sleep or relax or everything was okay.
29:03
Speaker 1: Something was reassuring me. Her next memory was of being
29:06
Speaker 1: someplace else. Like Michael, She recalled finding herself in a
29:10
Speaker 1: smaller vehicle being taken to a much larger one. As
29:15
Speaker 1: Janet says, I think there was a smaller vehicle to
29:18
Speaker 1: get to the large one. The other object was like
29:21
Speaker 1: a transportation vehicle or something. My guide was talking to me,
29:26
Speaker 1: and I was following my guide. My guide was nice
29:29
Speaker 1: and I was listening. My guide was telling me some
29:32
Speaker 1: people wanted to look at me and it would just
29:34
Speaker 1: take a few minutes, and my guide would be there
29:37
Speaker 1: the whole time, and I didn't have to worry. Everything
29:40
Speaker 1: would be okay. Then I opened my eyes and I
29:44
Speaker 1: was in that room. I shut my eyes fast and
29:47
Speaker 1: said it would go away soon. So opening her eyes,
29:50
Speaker 1: Janet saw that she was on a table being physically examined.
29:54
Speaker 1: And as she says, I felt all these people coming
29:58
Speaker 1: into the room, and I could tell they They're all
30:00
Speaker 1: crawling around the table and around me, and my guide
30:03
Speaker 1: was still telling me that everything was okay, that everybody
30:06
Speaker 1: just wanted to look at me. Then I opened my eyes,
30:10
Speaker 1: and I wasn't supposed to do that. I was supposed
30:12
Speaker 1: to be in that trance, and I don't think that
30:15
Speaker 1: they wanted me looking at them. I think they had
30:18
Speaker 1: a little bit of a scuff about that. I think
30:20
Speaker 1: somebody yelled at the guide. That was my guide's fault
30:23
Speaker 1: that I did that, And then I shut my eyes again.
30:27
Speaker 1: When I shut my eyes again, they kept right on
30:29
Speaker 1: examining me, and it didn't hurt. I knew that they
30:32
Speaker 1: were doing things to me, but that everything was okay,
30:36
Speaker 1: and I kept hearing my guide telling me that everything
30:39
Speaker 1: will be all right. I'm the center of something. There's
30:42
Speaker 1: a lot going on around me, but I don't mind.
30:45
Speaker 1: I don't care. I feel fine. It doesn't bother me.
30:49
Speaker 1: Everyone's being very nice, and I don't feel scared. I
30:53
Speaker 1: feel okay. They're touching me, they want to see how
30:56
Speaker 1: I work. They're all looking at me. I just I
31:00
Speaker 1: feel like I'm a specimen. They're measuring me, or they're
31:03
Speaker 1: doing something to me. They lift my arm and let
31:06
Speaker 1: it drop. Somebody was touching my hair. They were like
31:10
Speaker 1: testing reflexes. My feeling is that it was all very scientific.
31:15
Speaker 1: Somebody was the recorder. I kept thinking they were measuring
31:18
Speaker 1: me or something. So Like Michael, she described being in
31:21
Speaker 1: a large room with a transparent dome with smaller colored
31:25
Speaker 1: lights and circling the room. She saw several of the
31:28
Speaker 1: beings around her table. One of them communicated with her telepathically.
31:33
Speaker 1: She never felt any pain or discomfort, but she did
31:36
Speaker 1: feel at one point that they placed something like a
31:38
Speaker 1: helmet on her head, as if they were testing her brain.
31:42
Speaker 1: She occasionally heard the beings talk in their own language,
31:45
Speaker 1: and like Michael, she said it was very shrill and
31:48
Speaker 1: high pitched. She kind of likened it to an audio
31:51
Speaker 1: tape being played on fast forward. She kept her eyes
31:55
Speaker 1: closed most of the time, only briefly and occasionally opening
31:59
Speaker 1: them to confirm that all of this was happening to her.
32:03
Speaker 1: So she did get a good look at the beings,
32:05
Speaker 1: and as Janet says, they were ugly. I guess they
32:09
Speaker 1: weren't ugly. They were people. They were enough like a human,
32:13
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what the hell they were because
32:15
Speaker 1: they didn't look like us. My overall feeling is that
32:19
Speaker 1: there was something there looking at me that was just
32:22
Speaker 1: so weird that I just could not comprehend it. And
32:25
Speaker 1: therefore I just shut my eyes as fast as I've
32:28
Speaker 1: ever shut my eyes in my life. Now. At one point,
32:31
Speaker 1: she does recall seeing Michael and that he was also
32:35
Speaker 1: being physically examined. This caused her some anxiety, as it
32:39
Speaker 1: provided a measure of confirmation that this wasn't just a weird,
32:43
Speaker 1: waking dream she was having, because Michael was going through
32:46
Speaker 1: the same things that she was. She remembered then being
32:50
Speaker 1: taken to a separate room, but was unable to recall
32:53
Speaker 1: what happened there. Meanwhile, Michael remained fully conscious and continued
32:58
Speaker 1: to talk to the ets. At one point he told them.
33:02
Speaker 1: We're helping you, Why can't you help us? You must
33:06
Speaker 1: know what we're in down there, all the starving children.
33:10
Speaker 1: Why can't you help us? The E T replied again telepathically,
33:15
Speaker 1: because you would never learn to help yourself, and that
33:18
Speaker 1: would be the worst thing. So, after watching Janet be
33:22
Speaker 1: examined and undergoing his own examination, he asked if the
33:26
Speaker 1: ets all looked the same, and the E T replied,
33:30
Speaker 1: you wanted to find out, so now you will. The
33:34
Speaker 1: e T then proceeded to guide Michael down a corridor
33:38
Speaker 1: into a sort of tube that whisked them both upwards
33:41
Speaker 1: and into a very large, circular room, where he saw
33:45
Speaker 1: and estimated one hundred of the beings. They then placed
33:49
Speaker 1: him on a chair and put a kind of helmet
33:51
Speaker 1: over his head, very much like Janet described, but he
33:55
Speaker 1: saw it very clearly. He said. It had prongs that
33:58
Speaker 1: curved around towards his face. He had the impression that
34:01
Speaker 1: the helmet was looking into his mind and the results
34:04
Speaker 1: were being displayed on a screen, and the ETS seemed
34:07
Speaker 1: happy and amazed by the results. As Michael says, he said,
34:13
Speaker 1: we're willing to show you how to see. And then
34:16
Speaker 1: they took the helmet off. They seemed very pleased. I
34:19
Speaker 1: could see them smiling as you can see up to
34:23
Speaker 1: this point and further beyond. Actually, the witness's testimonies match perfectly.
34:29
Speaker 1: Michael clearly remembers quite a bit more than Janet. But
34:34
Speaker 1: this is so incredible because again, these were witnesses who,
34:39
Speaker 1: while they knew each other in passing, did not know
34:42
Speaker 1: each other very well, did not communicate following this encounter.
34:47
Speaker 1: So to find that their testimonies match so perfectly and
34:50
Speaker 1: corroborate each other is really tremendous validation that this was
34:55
Speaker 1: a real experience, and now the encounter was coming to
34:59
Speaker 1: an end. And the way it ended was also very interesting,
35:03
Speaker 1: with some details that I've only heard a few times
35:07
Speaker 1: but I think are very important. Following the experience with
35:11
Speaker 1: the helmet, one of the Grays led Michael to an
35:13
Speaker 1: empty room. He then held out his three fingered hands,
35:17
Speaker 1: palm up towards Michael. Michael sensed that he was supposed
35:21
Speaker 1: to place his own palms against the gray's hands. The
35:25
Speaker 1: gray stared at him with his big, liquid black eyes.
35:29
Speaker 1: Michael got a twinge of fear at this point and
35:31
Speaker 1: thought to himself, I wonder what's going to happen next.
35:35
Speaker 1: Am I going to die now? The Gray replied, it's
35:39
Speaker 1: like dying, But don't worry, it's not dying ever. I'm
35:44
Speaker 1: going to take my hands in your mind. I'm going
35:47
Speaker 1: to take your thoughts. I'm going to lift them up
35:50
Speaker 1: to illuminate your mind. I'm going to show you how
35:53
Speaker 1: to stop your thoughts. So Michael proceeded to place his
35:57
Speaker 1: hands directly on the ET's hand, at which point there
36:01
Speaker 1: was an incredible white brightness which filled his mind. At
36:05
Speaker 1: that point, there was a shift. The next thing he knew,
36:08
Speaker 1: Michael found himself in this vast open area, or so
36:11
Speaker 1: it seemed. He saw what appeared to be fountains and trees,
36:16
Speaker 1: all different kinds of people. He said, it was kind
36:18
Speaker 1: of like a garden or a park. There was a
36:21
Speaker 1: light mist in the air, and there was a lot
36:23
Speaker 1: of people there. All of them were walking around in
36:26
Speaker 1: a kind of daze, confused, in a trance. Nobody was talking,
36:31
Speaker 1: some had no clothes on. He saw a girl laughing hysterically.
36:35
Speaker 1: At this point he saw Janet, and Janet saw him
36:39
Speaker 1: and walked up to him crying. She was also in
36:41
Speaker 1: a daze, so he told her that everything would be
36:44
Speaker 1: all right. Michael himself felt disoriented and confused. Every time
36:49
Speaker 1: he tried to bring himself to full consciousness, he would
36:52
Speaker 1: slip back into this trance. So like the others, he
36:56
Speaker 1: finally just sat down, and, as Michael says, I felt
37:00
Speaker 1: like it was a waiting place to get back. Everybody
37:03
Speaker 1: seemed pretty psyched out, confused or weird. I just felt
37:07
Speaker 1: like we were in this place that was created to
37:10
Speaker 1: make us feel like everything was all right. So at
37:13
Speaker 1: one point he looked towards the wall and saw something
37:16
Speaker 1: really interesting. It looked to him like hundreds of screens
37:20
Speaker 1: displaying different locations, each in real time with moving images.
37:24
Speaker 1: So one of these screens loomed up towards him and
37:27
Speaker 1: he saw that it was the dock where he and
37:29
Speaker 1: Janet had been taken from on the shores of Lake Champlain,
37:33
Speaker 1: And the next thing he knew, he was back on
37:36
Speaker 1: the dock with Janet. So landing on the dock, they
37:39
Speaker 1: were now alone, but the Et was still in telepathic
37:43
Speaker 1: communication and told him, remember, the only reason you need
37:47
Speaker 1: to know is that we're protecting you. You might think
37:51
Speaker 1: that we are evil when you get confused in the future,
37:54
Speaker 1: but we are your friends. Michael, don't tell anyone you
37:58
Speaker 1: don't trust. You loved us and we loved you. There's
38:02
Speaker 1: too much to know. You could never understand. Janet won't
38:06
Speaker 1: remember this. Don't be frightened about what's happened to you.
38:10
Speaker 1: Don't worry. We love you, We care about you. Do
38:14
Speaker 1: what you are going to do. So at this point,
38:17
Speaker 1: the UFO flew off and the Ets left Michael with
38:21
Speaker 1: a few parting words. They said, by Michael, it's all
38:26
Speaker 1: over now, goodbye. How amazing is that such an extensive experience,
38:31
Speaker 1: such a profoundly spiritual experience. I think it shows many
38:35
Speaker 1: of the patterns we see with onboard cases, not only,
38:39
Speaker 1: of course there being a physical examination, but that this
38:42
Speaker 1: witness was given a tour of the craft, and that
38:46
Speaker 1: he was taught all this spiritual knowledge and wisdom. It's
38:51
Speaker 1: so amazing. It's also interesting to me that he describes
38:55
Speaker 1: what is essentially a waiting room. I've heard that in
38:58
Speaker 1: only a couple of cases, but I absolutely think that
39:02
Speaker 1: this is something a lot of people do go through.
39:07
Speaker 1: Such an amazing case on so at many levels. And
39:10
Speaker 1: what makes it even more amazing is not only that
39:13
Speaker 1: they confirmed each other's testimonies, but that following their encounter.
39:17
Speaker 1: Turns out that there were quite a few witnesses who
39:21
Speaker 1: saw these UFOs, apparently at both the beginning of the
39:26
Speaker 1: encounter and at the end. So that's what I'd like
39:29
Speaker 1: to cover. Now, the testimony of some of the outside witnesses.
39:33
Speaker 1: I call this next segment confirmation. So, having gotten the
39:37
Speaker 1: whole story from both Michael and Janet, researcher Walter Webb
39:42
Speaker 1: focused on collecting the accounts of outside witnesses. Now, this
39:46
Speaker 1: case was perfectly solid without the outside witnesses, but the
39:50
Speaker 1: addition of other witnesses definitely gave the case greater levels
39:54
Speaker 1: of validation and confirmation. Michael recalled that two of the
39:58
Speaker 1: camp residents, Susan and Barbara, again pseudonyms, had seen strange
40:03
Speaker 1: lights from their cabin and had rushed down to question
40:06
Speaker 1: him and Janet about the lights. Janet didn't answer, she
40:10
Speaker 1: just went straight to bed, and Michael briefly described seeing
40:13
Speaker 1: a UFO but avoided the questions. Despite this, word spread quickly.
40:18
Speaker 1: The KMP's assistant director, Richard Wilde, and others tried and
40:22
Speaker 1: failed to elicit more information from Michael, and again Michael
40:26
Speaker 1: returned to his cabin where he was confronted by Patrick,
40:29
Speaker 1: who had apparently see the UFO leaving after dropping off
40:33
Speaker 1: Michael and Janet on the dock. So Walter Webb was
40:36
Speaker 1: able to locate these witnesses and others again, all of
40:39
Speaker 1: whom are anonymous and identified by pseudonyms. Walter interviewed Barbara,
40:45
Speaker 1: who told him that on the night of the encounter,
40:47
Speaker 1: and I quote, I recall standing by the fence on
40:51
Speaker 1: top of the bluff and watching an object with erratic
40:54
Speaker 1: movement like that of a helicopter, multicolored lights, perhaps red, green,
41:00
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but she said it was definitely not
41:03
Speaker 1: a helicopter, was totally silent, was shaped like a wide
41:07
Speaker 1: brimmed hat, and was very clearly quote unidentified. She said
41:12
Speaker 1: that when she saw it it was about twenty to
41:15
Speaker 1: thirty feet above the lake, exactly what Michael and Janet
41:18
Speaker 1: had described. Walter Webb then got a hold of another witness, Susan,
41:23
Speaker 1: and she had only vague memories of seeing something but
41:26
Speaker 1: really couldn't remember, so she consented to hypnosis, and under
41:31
Speaker 1: hypnosis she recalled seeing lights in the shape of a disk,
41:35
Speaker 1: come very low and close to the dock, and then
41:37
Speaker 1: suddenly dart away. Walter then got a hold of Michael's
41:41
Speaker 1: friend Patrick, who sadly had been later diagnosed with schizophrenia.
41:46
Speaker 1: But Patrick did say that he remembered seeing four or
41:49
Speaker 1: five bright starlk objects maneuvering over the lake, but that
41:53
Speaker 1: he believed this was after Michael's sighting, so this slightly
41:56
Speaker 1: contradicts Michael's memory, but at any rate, also recalled seeing
42:01
Speaker 1: jets flying over the lake shortly following this sighting. Another
42:05
Speaker 1: witness is Elaine Thomas, who remembered somebody bursting into the
42:09
Speaker 1: camp playhouse on the evening of the encounter talking about
42:13
Speaker 1: strange lights in the sky, so everyone in the room
42:16
Speaker 1: rushed out, so she followed walking slowly towards the lake,
42:20
Speaker 1: and she remembers seeing a quote warm illumination, perhaps silvery.
42:25
Speaker 1: This was over the lake. She had the impression it
42:27
Speaker 1: was very close. Someone mentioned the Aurora borealis, but she
42:32
Speaker 1: had seen the northern lights before, and she dismissed this
42:35
Speaker 1: as an explanation because she saw these lights close up
42:38
Speaker 1: as she saw them quickly move away from the lake
42:41
Speaker 1: and out of view. Interestingly, Elaine's sighting, and apparently others
42:45
Speaker 1: saw it too, occurred shortly after sunset meaning that she
42:49
Speaker 1: must have seen the UFOs as they arrived to pick
42:52
Speaker 1: up Michael and Janet. So there were witnesses both at
42:55
Speaker 1: the beginning of the encounter and the end. Another witness
43:00
Speaker 1: told Walter that although she saw no UFO on that
43:03
Speaker 1: night in question, she and her friend Daniel, had been
43:07
Speaker 1: apparently on the same dock late one evening in the
43:10
Speaker 1: same month of August nineteen sixty eight, and observed one
43:13
Speaker 1: or two star like lights darting around above the lake.
43:17
Speaker 1: Daniel also confirmed seeing what he described as a single object.
43:21
Speaker 1: So Walter located two other witnesses who were not from
43:25
Speaker 1: buff Ledge but in another area nearby on Lake Champlain,
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Speaker 1: who said that one evening in late July or early
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, which would fit in the timeframe, they
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Speaker 1: saw unexplained lights over the lake. So this is perhaps
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Speaker 1: not direct confirmation of Michael and Janet's experience, but could be.
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Speaker 1: And it's certainly interesting. How extraordinary is that it's a
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Speaker 1: rare onboard encounter that involves outside witnesses, and yet this
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Speaker 1: one has multiple witnesses. It's almost as if this was intentional.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, hard to say, but given that the
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Speaker 1: vast majority of onboard encounters have no other outside witnesses.
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Speaker 1: I have to wonder about that. It's such an amazing
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Speaker 1: event on so many different levels, and it affected the
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Speaker 1: witnesses so profoundly. And that's what I'd like to end
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Speaker 1: this episode with is some final words from both Michael
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Speaker 1: and Janet, where they explain in depth how they feel
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Speaker 1: about their encounter and what happened to them. In nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety four, after interviewing both witnesses, going over the hypnosis transcripts,
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Speaker 1: and doing an exhaustive investigation into the case, researcher Walter
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Speaker 1: Webb published his amazing book Encounter at buff Ledge, a
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Speaker 1: UFO case history again. The book is now a collector's
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Speaker 1: item and it details his astonishingly thorough and objective investigation
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Speaker 1: of the case. The two main witnesses were interviewed at length.
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Speaker 1: Neither has ever been identified and neither has ever gone public,
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Speaker 1: and they agreed to the investigation mainly because they wanted
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Speaker 1: to know what had happened to them. In both their cases,
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Speaker 1: they were profoundly affected for the rest of their lives,
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Speaker 1: Michael more so than Janet. Walter Webb did arrange for
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Speaker 1: Michael and Janet to meet face to face, but it
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Speaker 1: was only once, and it was just before the book
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Speaker 1: was published that Michael and Janet had a long telephone conversation.
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Speaker 1: Michael was primarily concerned that Janet had been drawn into
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Speaker 1: the encounter because of him. In nineteen ninety four, at
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Speaker 1: the time of the book's release, Michael was pursuing an
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Speaker 1: acting and modeling career. Janet was raising four children age eleven,
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Speaker 1: eight and five twins. Yet that time, Walter Webb was
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Speaker 1: able to obtain a lengthy statement where they talk about
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Speaker 1: their own feelings about this encounter. As Michael says, I
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Speaker 1: could have spent an indefinite amount of time with the aliens,
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Speaker 1: and then, via thought control, made to forget a lifetime
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Speaker 1: of experience with them as they brought me back to
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Speaker 1: Earth frame existence. I cannot stress enough how right and
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Speaker 1: valid this contention of mine feels, in light of feelings
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Speaker 1: as they flew away, incredible familiarity and kinship, love, and
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Speaker 1: a confusion of knowing more than I could explain even
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Speaker 1: to myself. They are of a spiritual nature, benign, yet
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Speaker 1: somehow all encompassing, and of course very wise. Suffice to
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Speaker 1: say they are close to angels, perhaps fallen due to
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Speaker 1: their technological dependence, or merely a more advanced civilization, one
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Speaker 1: which we are at a loss for parameters to compare
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Speaker 1: to our own, and yet one in which the fate
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Speaker 1: of Earth has always been involved in, at least peripherally,
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Speaker 1: if not intrinsically. But of the things I can remember
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Speaker 1: for them telling me all they wish is for us
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Speaker 1: to evolve and not use atomic power. For no matter
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Speaker 1: how close they are to the mystique, I believe they
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Speaker 1: are lonely, finite creatures as we all are. I tell myself,
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm special, but no, I'm not special just because
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Speaker 1: it happened to me. I'm not special because they chose
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Speaker 1: me to have it happen to It's just that I
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Speaker 1: happened to be there. I'm not a special person. I'm
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Speaker 1: just a regular guy. It just happened to me. So
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Speaker 1: you can see. It has affected Michael profoundly and he
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Speaker 1: still has a lot of questions about it, and Janet
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Speaker 1: is no different. As Janet says, I found that my
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Speaker 1: day to day existence and thinking wasn't able to get
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Speaker 1: all this UFO business out of my mind. I decided
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Speaker 1: I want to forget about all of it. At least
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Speaker 1: for a while, so I stopped trying to remember more.
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Speaker 1: Now I feel comfortably detached. I still wish I could
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Speaker 1: talk to Michael sometimes. Regarding my opinion of my UFO experience,
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Speaker 1: I have never had any doubt about what I reported
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Speaker 1: from conscious experience really did happen. Sometimes I wondered whether
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Speaker 1: I was inventing what I was saying under hypnosis to
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Speaker 1: please you or the hypnotist. But gradually, as the months
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Speaker 1: between the hypnosis sessions allowed me time to digest what
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Speaker 1: may have happened to me, I came to believe that
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Speaker 1: much of what I said under hypnosis did happen to me.
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Speaker 1: I can't unequivocally say that what I related under hypnosis
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Speaker 1: happened to me, but my inability to make that statement
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Speaker 1: comes a great deal from my desire for the experience
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Speaker 1: not to have happened. It is much easier to deny
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Speaker 1: or partially deny the experience of being abducted by a
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Speaker 1: UFO than it is to accept it. I think the
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Speaker 1: UFO was some type of spacecraft from outer space come
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Speaker 1: to Earth on some type of scientific mission, primarily to
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Speaker 1: gather information about the inhabitants of Earth. I believe these
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Speaker 1: outer space people were of much higher intelligence than we are,
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Speaker 1: and although they could easily, through their advanced technology, destroy
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Speaker 1: or infiltrate the Earth, they chose not to do so,
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Speaker 1: which leads me to believe that they value other beings
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Speaker 1: life and peace. I certainly now believe in the existence
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Speaker 1: of UFOs. Following her experience, Janet did read about the
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Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill incident and was amazed to see
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Speaker 1: all the similarities between her and their experience. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: you can see that she absolutely does feel that this
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Speaker 1: experience did happen. Now today, the identity of Michael and
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Speaker 1: Janet remains secret and their whereabouts remain unknown. If alive,
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Speaker 1: Michael would be seventy years old and Janet seventy three.
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Speaker 1: I wish them well. So there you go. That's the
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Speaker 1: encounter of Michael and Janet, better known as the buff
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Speaker 1: Ledge Encounter. I think it's one of the best documented
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Speaker 1: cases out there. Just want to give a huge thanks
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Speaker 1: to both Michael and Janet for having the courage to
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Speaker 1: come forward, having the courage to allow their case to
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Speaker 1: be investigated, having the courage to allow their story to
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Speaker 1: be publicly told. The vast majority of contactees don't go
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Speaker 1: that far, but these two did so I think we
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Speaker 1: owe them a huge debt of gratitude and of course
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Speaker 1: a huge thanks to Walter Webb for his very thorough
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Speaker 1: and objective investigation and book on this case. It's an
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Speaker 1: extraordinary book. It is hard to find. It is a
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Speaker 1: collector's item, but if you do have the ability to
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Speaker 1: find this book, I would recommend it. It's one of
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Speaker 1: the best books out there on onboard UFO encounters, so
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Speaker 1: I can definitely give it the highest recommendation. I hope
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Speaker 1: Michael and Janet are doing well wherever they are, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: thanks to both of them. Truly. That's it for today,
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Speaker 1: you guys, thank you so much for tuning in. I
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Speaker 1: truly appreciate it. And until next time, keep asking those
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Speaker 1: hard questions, keep searching for the truth, and most important
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Speaker 1: of all, keep having fun and I'll see you next
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Speaker 1: week for another episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Signing
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Speaker 1: off for now, bye,