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The Sacred Responsibility of Your Health · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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  Speaker 1: M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in
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  Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers
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  Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you
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  Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands
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  Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the
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  Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals
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  Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments
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  Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored ALCHEMYO chariots to keep
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  Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black.
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  Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of
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  Speaker 1: Jim se King told scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife,
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  Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ants. This
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  Speaker 1: is at the ancestors told me that you would come
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  Speaker 1: to give wisdom of thousands. They said you would come
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  Speaker 1: dropping Dropping the Gym. Hey, welcome to the Dropping Jim's Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, DeBie Brown. Welcome back, Welcome back. So
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  Speaker 1: let's go today's show. We're diving into health. We talk
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  Speaker 1: a lot on this show about spirit, about our minds,
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  Speaker 1: our bodies, our souls in the connection, and today's episode
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  Speaker 1: feels really really nourishing already, because we're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about how to really come into integration with all those
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  Speaker 1: facets of our human experience. And I have a real
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  Speaker 1: heavy hitter on the show today, someone whose work, even
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  Speaker 1: without meeting them, had really informed and impacted my life
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  Speaker 1: in the way that I treat and experienced my body.
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  Speaker 1: So today's special guests on the show is Dr Will Cole,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm sure so many are already familiar with his work,
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  Speaker 1: already familiar by following him on Instagram, by following his work,
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  Speaker 1: and today we get to hear from him. Dr Will
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  Speaker 1: Cole is a leading functional medicine expert who consults people
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  Speaker 1: around the world via webcam and locally in Pittsburgh. Named
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  Speaker 1: one of the top fifty functional medicine and integrative doctors
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  Speaker 1: in the nation, Dr Cole specializes in clinically investigating underlying
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  Speaker 1: factors of chronic disease and customizing a functional medicine approach
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  Speaker 1: for thyroid issues, autoimmune conditions, hormonal imbalances, digestive disorders, and
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  Speaker 1: brain problems. He's the best selling author of Keto Terian,
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  Speaker 1: The Inflammation Spectrum, and the New York Times bestseller Intuitive
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  Speaker 1: Fasting and which He shows how to use the powerful
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  Speaker 1: benefits of flexible intermitute fasting to gain metabolic flexibility and
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  Speaker 1: find food peace. Dr Cole is also the host of
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  Speaker 1: the new podcast The Art of Being Well and as
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  Speaker 1: co hosted the popular podcast Goop, Fellas Podcast and Keto Talk.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, when I think about bringing Dr Cole
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  Speaker 1: on this show, something that has radically changed about my
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  Speaker 1: life in the last couple of years, but especially I
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  Speaker 1: feel like in the last eighteen months is the way
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  Speaker 1: that I experienced my body and something I've shared on
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  Speaker 1: social media quite a bit after I had my son
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  Speaker 1: was that intermitute fasting and also a keto diet really
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  Speaker 1: helped me reclaim my connection to feeling my body. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I was able to lose weight from my pregnancy, really effortlessly,
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  Speaker 1: um in a way that felt nourishing to me. But
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  Speaker 1: aside from the weight loss, I have noticed such a
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  Speaker 1: deep love and acceptance of my body in such a
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  Speaker 1: new way. I've noticed such a deep connection to really
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  Speaker 1: being able to fully here, understand and also support my
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  Speaker 1: body's needs. Uh. And one of the things that has
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  Speaker 1: really changed my life is I have been able to
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  Speaker 1: move through so much inflammation and really restore my body
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  Speaker 1: to UM what feels like deep peace and deep nourishment.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm excited to see how all of that
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  Speaker 1: has been possible and to learn all of the things
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  Speaker 1: from the genius that is Dr Will Cole. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the show. Dr will Cole. Thank you so much, Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much. I'm excited that we're talking. It's official,
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  Speaker 1: It's official, And you know, on this show, I always
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  Speaker 1: love to ground it with how I've connected to people.
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  Speaker 1: UM and I follow you on Instagram and we've had
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of exchange there. But I love your
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  Speaker 1: posts and I love your books. And as I shared
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  Speaker 1: with the audience as we were getting going, you know,
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  Speaker 1: intermittent fasting is something that it changed my life. It
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  Speaker 1: changed the way that I relate to my body. It
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  Speaker 1: changed the way that I feel like it allowed me
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  Speaker 1: to really activate my body's intuition in such a deep way. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm so excited to have you here. You have
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  Speaker 1: such incredible books, such incredible work that you've put into
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  Speaker 1: the world, and I'd love to ground this conversation by
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  Speaker 1: first starting with what exactly is functional medicine. Well, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for having me. Functional medicine in there
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  Speaker 1: are three main points that I see it and how
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  Speaker 1: I see it. From number one, we interpret labs using
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  Speaker 1: a thinner reference range. So anybody that's listening right now,
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  Speaker 1: they'll know they get when they get their standard labs,
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  Speaker 1: they go to their doctor's office, they get their number
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  Speaker 1: on a lab, and then they're being compared to this
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  Speaker 1: reference range, this extra y interval of numbers. We get
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  Speaker 1: that reference range largely from a statistical Bell curve average
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  Speaker 1: of the population of that specific lab. So people know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, think about this, Who are people that are
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  Speaker 1: predominantly going to labs? Sadly people with health problems. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that know, intuitively, there's something
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  Speaker 1: not right here. I don't feel good in my body.
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  Speaker 1: There's my body is telling me something, and they go
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  Speaker 1: and they try to get that substantiated with labs, and
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  Speaker 1: the labs come back quote unquote normal many times, and
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  Speaker 1: the doctor says, everything's fine, you're just depressed. There's an antidepressant,
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  Speaker 1: you're just getting older, you're just a new mom, you
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  Speaker 1: just need to lose weight, all of these sort of
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  Speaker 1: well intentioned reasons, but what they're really in effect telling
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  Speaker 1: the patient is you're a lot like the other people
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  Speaker 1: with health issues that we're comparing you too, and comparing
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  Speaker 1: yourself to people with health problems. There's no way for
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  Speaker 1: you to find out how to feel your best and
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  Speaker 1: find out what's going on in your body. So we're
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  Speaker 1: looking at a thinner range within that larger reference range.
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  Speaker 1: That's the functional range. Where does your body function the best,
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  Speaker 1: Where does vibrant wellness reside? That's the functional range. So
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  Speaker 1: we're looking at the thinner interval within that larger reference
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  Speaker 1: range of optimal not average. And then number two, we
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  Speaker 1: run more comprehensive labs, so we're looking at root issues
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  Speaker 1: like underlying gut problems or chronic infections, or hormonal imbalances,
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  Speaker 1: or the list goes on. It's case specific. We want
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  Speaker 1: to look at a health history comprehensively and then run
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  Speaker 1: appropriate labs, but thorough labs. We want to be comprehensive.
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  Speaker 1: And then we realize we're all created differently and there's
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  Speaker 1: not going to be a cookie cutter approach to getting healthy.
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  Speaker 1: And I could have a hundred people with the same
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  Speaker 1: diagnosis that let's say fatigue, Well, what's causing fatigue for
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  Speaker 1: one person is not causing it for the next person.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to really look at We see these
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  Speaker 1: symptoms like fatigue or weight loss, resistance or anxiety or
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  Speaker 1: different types of inflammation. We see these as check engine lights.
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  Speaker 1: We know that check engine light is on, but why
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  Speaker 1: that's different. We want to look at the root issues
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  Speaker 1: and and see the individual We call it bio individuality.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's the uniqueness of you. And so that's in
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  Speaker 1: a nutshow of functional medicine is so I started one
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  Speaker 1: of the first functional medicine telehealth centers in the world
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  Speaker 1: over a decade ago. So a lot of the things
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  Speaker 1: you see me posting on social media is me being
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  Speaker 1: talking like we're talking right now. But I do this
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  Speaker 1: eleven hours a day with people with their labs and
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  Speaker 1: their health. I love it so much. It's such a
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  Speaker 1: sacred responsibility for me to really give people answers that
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  Speaker 1: are trying to seek what the heck is going on? Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I love I mean the way that you even framed
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  Speaker 1: your work as a sacred responsibility is so powerful to me,
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  Speaker 1: especially as we have such you know, we're finally starting
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  Speaker 1: to expand on bigger conversations on how the medical industry
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  Speaker 1: is not always very helpful or healing and also in
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  Speaker 1: communities of color. How the medical industry is also really
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  Speaker 1: structured for oppression um and has quite often killed people
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  Speaker 1: from a lack of looking at the total view of
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  Speaker 1: a human being. So when I hear you say that,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like my God, like the power in this,
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  Speaker 1: the power of us even seen ourselves as we get
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  Speaker 1: seen by the medical community, as this is something sacred.
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  Speaker 1: This is our body, this is our this is the
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  Speaker 1: house of our soul, this is the human technology that
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  Speaker 1: we work with on earth to be human. And the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it's not seen such as a sacred responsibility
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  Speaker 1: like you framing it that way, it's really powerful for me.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much. I mean, I really this is something
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  Speaker 1: I take very seriously. I have a heart for the
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  Speaker 1: people that are going through it because there's so many
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  Speaker 1: people are kept back from the things they were created
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  Speaker 1: for because of their health issues that they're that they're
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  Speaker 1: experiencing right now, and so many people are delegitimized systematically
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  Speaker 1: because they these are silent issues. Many times I deal
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  Speaker 1: a lot with people with autoimmune problems. On the outside,
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  Speaker 1: they look quote unquote normal, but they don't know. People
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  Speaker 1: don't know what it takes just to get through the
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  Speaker 1: day when you're struggling with different autoimmune issues and different
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  Speaker 1: inflammatory problems. So to give a voice and give answers
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  Speaker 1: to people that are really seeking and not getting the answers,
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  Speaker 1: it's something we have to do so much better in healthcare,
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully you know, in my way, in my lane,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing that for my patients. Wow. Wow, what's the
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  Speaker 1: first thing that you do when someone comes into you. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's all telehealth and it's been tell health for twelve years.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm talking to them, I'm stepping into their home
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  Speaker 1: quite figuratively, like very much on a real energetic level,
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  Speaker 1: even that I'm coming into their space, and it's interesting,
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  Speaker 1: even though we're separated through a computer and we're not
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  Speaker 1: there physically together, to hold space for people that are
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  Speaker 1: going through very heavy things is a major part of
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  Speaker 1: my job because it's not just about getting the words,
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  Speaker 1: meaning you're not just getting information during that it's a
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  Speaker 1: consultation at first, right, so I'm getting health history. I'm
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  Speaker 1: really digging deep into these things that aren't really asked about.
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  Speaker 1: I had one older gentlemen tell me years ago, and
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  Speaker 1: I still think about it. He asked me all the
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  Speaker 1: questions we had in the questionnaire and the consultations over
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  Speaker 1: an hour and he said, he said, are you in
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  Speaker 1: the KGB? Are you trying to get information out of mean?
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  Speaker 1: It's like, no, I'm not in the KGB. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be redundant. I don't want to add
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  Speaker 1: to your pile of doctors visits that you've done. I
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  Speaker 1: want to really do be of service to you and
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  Speaker 1: see what's being missed here and not be redundant an
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  Speaker 1: autopilot or just being flippant with what's going on. I
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  Speaker 1: really want to be thoughtful and do my due diligence.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a lot of question asking, but it's beyond
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  Speaker 1: it's beyond that. The holding space part is the space
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  Speaker 1: in between the words. It's like, okay, what's the frequency
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  Speaker 1: in which are even operating with Because there's the clinical
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  Speaker 1: side of things, but what's going on behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: that maybe they don't even know. It's ineffable, they don't
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  Speaker 1: even know really what's going on. So it's the science
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  Speaker 1: and the art of functional medicine is how I see it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's it's it's holding both with respect. Wow, how
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  Speaker 1: big of a role do you see mental an emotional
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  Speaker 1: health plane into someone's physical health. Wow, I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: an important thing. It's something that we talk about a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and even just that first consultation when I'm talking to
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  Speaker 1: them online, we're talking a lot about it. And I
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  Speaker 1: have to educate people because in the West, people like
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  Speaker 1: to separate mental health from physical health. But the reality
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  Speaker 1: is mental health is physical health. Our brain is part
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  Speaker 1: of our body, and there's a whole field of research
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  Speaker 1: actually looking at this for a long time. It's called
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  Speaker 1: the cytokine model of cognitive function. Cytokinds are pro inflammatory cells,
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  Speaker 1: so it's research looking at how inflammation cyto kinds. How
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  Speaker 1: does inflammation impacting how our brain works, How is it
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  Speaker 1: impacting mental health? So mental health is one and the
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  Speaker 1: same with physical health. But if you're looking at this
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  Speaker 1: bidirectional relationship, right, our thoughts and emotions impact our physiology,
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  Speaker 1: meaning a stressful season of our life, or a toxic
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  Speaker 1: relationship ship or unhealthy work environment or whatever is going
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  Speaker 1: on mental emotionally that impacts your physiology. There's so much
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  Speaker 1: research coming out about the impact that negativity, stress trauma
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  Speaker 1: has on our body, has on our inflammation levels, has
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  Speaker 1: on our gut health, has on our hormones has in ship,
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  Speaker 1: putting our body more in this sympathetic fight or flight
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  Speaker 1: stress state. But conversely, our physiology meaning underlying GUP problems
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  Speaker 1: or inflammation things that are going on in our body,
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  Speaker 1: impacts our thoughts and emotions. Meaning if you have high
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  Speaker 1: inflammation levels, that's going to drive anxiety. If you have
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  Speaker 1: underlying GUP problems, it's linked to triggering neurological symptoms. So
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  Speaker 1: there's so many we have to look at both sides
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  Speaker 1: of the coin, and when we separate them as some
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing that's compartmentalizes the mental health, it's really
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  Speaker 1: one and the same with physical health. Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: that you know I had. I had some real experiences
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  Speaker 1: with understanding that within my own body recently, especially in
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  Speaker 1: the last year. Um Like, I ended a really significant
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  Speaker 1: relationship in my life and the last year and I
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  Speaker 1: saw my health dramatically improve, like dramatically in ways that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think we're possible. I'm someone that had previously
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  Speaker 1: suffered from chronic pain for close to twenty years and
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  Speaker 1: doctors could never figure out what it was. And then
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  Speaker 1: when I started one intermitte fasting and then also clearing
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  Speaker 1: my life of non serving connections. I just saw my
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  Speaker 1: ability to heal myself, my ability to be with myself
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  Speaker 1: expand truly in ways I can never fathom. Dr Cole like,
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  Speaker 1: it felt very very much like a miracle what I
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  Speaker 1: have seen take place in my body. Yeah, it's powerful.
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  Speaker 1: We give our body the chance to do so, to
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  Speaker 1: find homeostasis that there. I've seen people up against some
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  Speaker 1: really heavy things be able to move the needle really
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  Speaker 1: significantly if they give their body the chance to do so.
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  Speaker 1: And I how you even said that. It's like you
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  Speaker 1: intermitted fast it but it also is like you went
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  Speaker 1: on a fast of certain things that weren't serving you.
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  Speaker 1: You're you want a fast of things that we're impacting
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  Speaker 1: your physiology just as much as a food that's inflammatory.
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  Speaker 1: And people need to realize the thoughts and emotions and
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  Speaker 1: stress and shame. That's junk food for the soul. You
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  Speaker 1: can clean up super you could be super healthy eating
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  Speaker 1: kale and kombucha, but if you're throwing down a big
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  Speaker 1: slice of stress every day, that's gonna raise inflammation levels
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  Speaker 1: just as much as that quote unquote junk food. People
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  Speaker 1: need to realize that. And look, that's tougher to do
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  Speaker 1: because it's easy to say that food is not going
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  Speaker 1: to serve you, that food is gonna sabotage how you
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  Speaker 1: want to feel, it's going to raise inflammation, impact your gut,
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  Speaker 1: help whatever. It's a lot harder to say this emotion
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  Speaker 1: or this person that's integral your life for this situation,
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  Speaker 1: because not everybody can leave a situation overnight and it
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  Speaker 1: just stopped it. But it's that work, that's the work
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  Speaker 1: that you really teach so eloquently about, is that they
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  Speaker 1: have to start dealing with that because that impacts their
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  Speaker 1: physical health so so intensely. God Well, like I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: let's just go to church right now. Um, that is
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  Speaker 1: so powerful. And I think you know too. And and
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  Speaker 1: to the point that you said, because I do want
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  Speaker 1: to always be connected to the fact that there are
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  Speaker 1: there is always privilege available. So there are some relationships,
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  Speaker 1: there are some experiences, there are some jobs that you
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  Speaker 1: can't just say, all right, let me let's start from scratch,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And sometimes we do have to be in
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  Speaker 1: the thick of things. But even the awareness of it,
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  Speaker 1: the awareness of the potential effect it is having on you,
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  Speaker 1: gives you freedom, even if it's not a scenario you
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  Speaker 1: can step away from just yet expanding yourself to the acknowledgement,
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  Speaker 1: to the observation of how it's affecting you propels you forward,
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  Speaker 1: I think energetically in so many ways um and allows
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  Speaker 1: your body to be heard and felt in so many ways.
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  Speaker 1: M Absolutely, I think. I think Egard totally said this
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  Speaker 1: one time. He said, you have to be look at
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  Speaker 1: any given situation. He said, can you change it? Can
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  Speaker 1: you leave it? And if you can't do either either
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  Speaker 1: change or leave it, you need to be an acceptance
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  Speaker 1: of it. And sometimes that acceptance is radical. It's like
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  Speaker 1: you have to have a piece that passes all understanding
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  Speaker 1: because it seems unacceptable. But I have found that people
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  Speaker 1: if they can't change it and they can't leave it,
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  Speaker 1: they have to be in a state of acceptance through it.
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  Speaker 1: But I still acknowledging that it's it's it is not
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  Speaker 1: something that's going to serve them long term. But if
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  Speaker 1: they can't leave it, I feel like if people can
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  Speaker 1: change the things, they can change people that are really
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  Speaker 1: in tough situations, but they deal with the things they
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  Speaker 1: can change and things don't have to be perfect to
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  Speaker 1: start feeling better and start reclaiming their health. People need
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  Speaker 1: to realize that they don't have to have it all
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  Speaker 1: sorted out to start feeling better. Are moving people in
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  Speaker 1: the right direction, because oftentimes people feel like they have
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  Speaker 1: to like they like they just have to be Martha
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  Speaker 1: Stewart in the kitchen and have no stress, nothing to
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  Speaker 1: worry about, like then my life will be good. But
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  Speaker 1: the reality is that's not true. You could be wherever
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  Speaker 1: you're at right now to at least improve the situation
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  Speaker 1: with with positive things, even if it's even if it's
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  Speaker 1: little things, even if not everything's perfect. Thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for that. Thank you for that. When we started
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  Speaker 1: the show, Um, one of the things that I kind
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  Speaker 1: of was so excited to stay right away was like
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  Speaker 1: inter medifasting changed my whole life. Uh. And I've been
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  Speaker 1: really excited to talk to you about this because even
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  Speaker 1: before I found you on social media, I connected with
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  Speaker 1: your book Ketoterian and it's a mainstay in my house.
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  Speaker 1: And I have a three year old who I think
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  Speaker 1: he was just a natural born vegetarian, like he will
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: just never doesn't want to taste me, doesn't want to
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: have anything to do with it. So I'm honoring that, um,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: And so in the book book I found some really
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: powerful recipes that i've really that have been so nourishing,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I think for myself for sure, and also for my child.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: But I was so excited because I started Keto because
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I started seeing it on Instagram and I'm like, what
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: is this? And then I did a deep dive, like
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I think I'm called to do this.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: So I spent three weeks researching it and reading books
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and reading you know, background behind it. Your book was
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: one of the game changers for me. And then when
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I started Keto, I noticed that it really cured this
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: lifelong issue I had with inflammation, Like I was always swollen.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: My face was swollen, my hands, my feet, my stomach
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: was always swollen even if I was barely eating, and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I couldn't understand it. And so I guess this is
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: my long way of asking you, how is it that
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: keto changed my life? Like? What did it do to me? Actually?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I love it. Let's talk about the science of it,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: because it's exciting. It's very exciting, And that's kind of
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: what I was saying with the physical stuff. It's like
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the physiological stuff is how powerful small changes can what
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the ripple effect that can have on your health just
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: small things. And ketogenic diet and interment fasting, both of
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: those are really part of the same umbrella of research
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: because the ketogenic diet is in many ways fasting mimicking,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: So it's mimicking the benefits of fasting while you're eating,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: so eating in a specific way and with ketoterian it's
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a clean ketogenic diet. Like right when I made the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: name of the title, it's like this amalgamation is alchemy
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: between the best of being clean, plant forward, eating whole
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: foods with a ketogenic approach. That's what keytotarian is. So
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: there's vegan, vegetarian and pscytarian way of doing the ketogenic diet.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: But it's cyclical, you know, always in keytosis, most people aren't.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So high fat, high healthy fats, moderate protein, low carbohydrate
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: diet is what the keyto gen guy is. So support
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: something called the beta hydroxy butty rate. The liver produces
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: beta hydroxy beauty rate b HB out of the liver
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and it's a what researchers call an epigenetic modulator. So
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: epigenetics is the the influence that that the our environment
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: can have on our genes. So it kind of it
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: instructs genetic expression, and one of them is it works
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: on a lot of different inflammatory pathways, so you're explaining
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: all lowered inflammation. Inflammation is the commonality between just about
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: every health problem under the sun. I mean, if you're
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: looking at autoimmune conditions or metabolic issues, or fatigue or
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: anxiety or depression, there's research looking at inflammations, implication and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: just about every health problem. So this is a natural
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: way and completely freeway, meaning that you just have to
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: be eating food in a specific way or fasting not
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: eating foods in a very a specific way to support
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: this beta hydroxy betterate, which is known also in the
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: research as the fourth macro nutrient. So we have protein, fats, carbs,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and keytone bodies. Uh, and it's a natural way to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: lower inflammation, increasing brain function, and improve something called b
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: d n F brain drive neurotropic factor actually encouraging your
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: brain to make new neurons and improve something called neuroplasticity,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: which is the brain's ability to repair itself, and it
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: improves mitochondrial function, It improves something called atapa G which
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: is cellular recycling, selling the renewal pathways. I go on
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and on and on, but the I think it's eloquently
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: put this way. I quote in the book and Intuitive Fasting,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: my newest book, guy named Paracelsus. He was one of
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the fathers of modern medicine. Hippocrates, the other guy, the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Hippocratic oath. Every doctor takes it. He used fasting for
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: his patients in Greece thousands of years ago, but Paracelsus
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and Switzerland also used it. He was known as the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Martin Luther Menace because he was reforming medicine at the time.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: He called fasting which produces key tones the physician within
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: which I think the state of cyclical ketosis is that
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it's this inner doctor that allows your body to repair, renew, rebalance.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: And we're just catching up with antiquity, with with with research,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: with science, with the scientific literature. I love you so
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that we're just catching up with antiquity because it's the pathways, right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but it's like, you know, it's really the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: things that worked through the ages are the things that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: will always work. And it's like, you know, science and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: capitalism and so many different things, so so many different
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: layers that sometimes blend together. Um, I think put all
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of these other quote unquote tools or resources in front
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of us, because the bottom line is it makes money,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you know, but it's not necessarily what's best for us.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm finding that so much of these ancient techniques
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and practices. You know, it's like science wants to say, oh,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: there's not scientific research, Well who funded it? You know
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Scientific research has to be funded. That's
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: how we get it. And so it's like that to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: me is never the leading force of how I make
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a choice for myself. Um, if someone's saying if there's research,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the backs that are not even though there is quite
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: a bit of research around this what we're speaking to today.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but you're right. I mean I I encourage
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: people like the same thing, be your own and of
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: one experiment. Now there is science in this now, but
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: people like you said they knew anecdotally for thousands of years.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Fasting has been used around the globe for thousands of years,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: not because they had a double blind, placebo controlled trial,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: but because they saw it improved their health. Yeah. Yeah, okay,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you know when we when we're talking about when we're
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: talking about fasting, and especially you know, it's so it's
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: so interesting because the fasting aspect of it is what
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I believe really ignited my intuition in new ways that
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: has served me mind, by and soul. Like fasting for
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: me has really turned into such a a nourishing, holistic
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: approach to get all of me in alignment. And you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I think many religious belief systems, especially in Christianity, fasting
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: is a mainstay, you know, of the belief. Like very
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: often I'd hear friends and people say, Oh, I'm fasting
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: because I'm waiting to get you know, deeper insider understanding
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: from God. And I have found that, you know, fasting, meditation, prayer,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: it has. It has such a gorgeous balance coming together
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: in the clarity that I feel in my brain, um
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: in the spaciousness I feel in my body, and also
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm more deeply fed, you know that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: when I am eating, it's in a way that is
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: far more serving to myself and my body. And I
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: manifasting makes me, honestly, I feel like a completely different
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: creature entirely now, almost like a superhero sometimes. So I'm
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: just curious, why how is this working in me? Yeah? Well,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that's beautiful. And that's why I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: called the book Intuitive fasting because I wanted to reclaim
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: intermittent fasting from and take it back in my own way,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like for me and my people and my patients and
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: things that this is a concept that I've talked about
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: with patients for a long time, but I wanted to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: reclaim it him in fastening from diet culture and just
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: diet culture and also take GUYE culture culture and educate
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: them from a functional medicine standpoint and just a more
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: mindful of standpoint. The fasting is way beyond this zeitgeist
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: bubble that fasting is having in our culture right now.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It's lived on for thousands of years, and even when
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the zeitgeist pop culture bubble burst, it will still live
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: on because it's just something that's just part of our DNA.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Humans fasted for a long period of time, So there's
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of things going on here, and it's so
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: tied into the keytogenic diet. And that's why I recommend
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a cyclical, clean ketogenic diet with intermittent fasting. I don't
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: advocate someone to fast their way out of a poor diet.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So by bringing these together and amplifies the benefits of both,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and it's just a powerful tool and fasting. Researchers estimate
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that our genetics haven't changed in ten thousand years, that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: our world has changed so much. It doesn't take much
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: of a look around to see how much our world
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: has changed just in a generation or two, let alone
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: in ten thousand years. Our world has changed very much
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: in a very dramatic period of very short period of time,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: very dramatically. So it's what researchers call a genetic epigenetic
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: mismatch or an evolutionary mismatch. That our DNA is living
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: in this brave new world eating things that we've never
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: eaten before, eating not just what we're eating, by how
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: much we're eating and when we're eating has changed so
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: much and exposed environmental toxins and chronic stresses and technology.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: All that stuff really can trigger genetic predispositions that have
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: laid dormant for ten years but are being triggered and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: awoken like never before in human history because of this
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: onslaught of epigenetic stressors. So that's what fasting really does.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: It kind of takes us closer to our roots. It
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: kind of decreases that chasm just a little bit between
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: genetics and epigenetics and our body is like I'll take
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: whatever I can get, even like fast, thank you, Like
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I'll move a little bit closer to where I came from,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: thank you. And it's like a little little csta in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: a way for your body to kind of get back
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: to where it came from. And it's that inner physician
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that Paracelsis said thousands of years ago. So it's tapping
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: into this beta hydroxy bet it's tapping into this inter position.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It's doing amazing thing systemically throughout your body, just cascades
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of healing throughout your body. So that's what intriment fasting does. Wow. Wow,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: how did you find your work in this way? Well,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I was, in hindsight, I was a very weird kid.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I look back and I think, man, my son's fifteen
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: years old. I was a strange kid, like seeing myself
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: like through what he's doing. Like. My first job was
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: at the finish line selling shoes at the mall where
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I'm from in western Pennsylvania. That's a pretty cool job
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: for a young guy. It was. It was cool. I
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: got a discount. You yeah, get all the kid. So
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that's I used my paycheck at finish line to go
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to the health food store co op in my small
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: town to like buy the latest, like adapted genic herbs,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and it was I was bio hacking before bio hacking
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: was a thing, to like see how food and natural
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: medicines and fasting was part of that. How would this
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: impact how I felt? So that was just a passion,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: personal passion of mine, and then it evolved to me
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: wanting to be formally trained in this. So I went
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to an integrative medicine school and you know the rest is,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you know what I do. I graduated and knowing I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: wanted to do telehealth. It's not that I the telehealth
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: wasn't even a thing twelve years ago. Was called we
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: called it, we didn't have a name for it. We
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: called it a virtual functional medicine clinic because that's kind
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of what it was. But then later on the term was,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you know, telehealth. But I've spent my entire career talking
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: to people via webcam like this, and it's just I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: have a family history of autoimmunity, and it's that specifically.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It was very much a personal passion of mine. So
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it was all born out of that. The weird health
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and their kid kind of evolved from there. That's so cool.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And I think especially I was at a retreat many
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: years ago in Sedona and it was a retreat about
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: physical healing and it was mostly doctors at the retreat.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I was probably one of the only one because they
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: were getting like extended um I don't know what it's
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: called extra learning credits that you know, you know, every
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: year to keep up with continuing education, Yes, continuing education.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And I remember one of the doctors that I sat
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: next to for this for this week end was um.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: He was a heart surgeon and he was there and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: he was saying how he had to keep it a
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: secret that he was at this spiritual health retreat because
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: his community would not accept him. And and I was
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: so and I was so curious about that, and I said,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you know, well, why what brings you here? And he
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: was like, because we're dying. He was like, my colleagues
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: are dying left and right, like all the doctors I
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: work with, we have such poor health, smoking, drinking, you know, UM.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And it that was just so fascinating to me that
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: it's like health is healing, yet the disconnect from doctors
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: being able to care for themselves, and then also all
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: of the larger understanding of the body and the soul.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: How that's not even in all of the education that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: is required to be a doctor. That's not a part
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: of it. And that was so striking to me. Yeah,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I know it's I I quoted or cited a study
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: in my second book, the book before Intuitive Fascinting. It's
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: called the inflammation spectrum, and I studied I study in
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: in a medical journal that showed that the majority of
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: medical students would once they're you know, towards the end
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of their their career or their their student career, is
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that they would fail a basic nutrition test. Most conventional
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: doctors would fail a basic nutrition test. But yet look
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: at the statistics. It's like the majority of health problems
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: we face as a society is largely lifestyle driven. So
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: why isn't it being taught, Why is being talked about
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: not even just not being taught. Why is this being
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: discouraged from people asking questions or wanting to have agency
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: over their health? Why is this So there's a lot
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: of reasons for that, probably, but I'm my job here
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: is to say, like, let's empower the person that we're
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: talking to, whether that's my patient or it's people listening
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to this podcast is to um really ask whys and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: find out what's going on for their health because you're
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: not going to get it largely from the mainstream system.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: You're going to get those pockets of amazing physicians. And actually,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: most of my colleagues in functional medicine are conventionally trained.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: They're they're being trained through the Institute for Functional Medicine.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: The Cleveland Clinic has a Functional Medicine Center that we're
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: all trained through i FM. So there are amazing physicians
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that are conventionally trained, but by and large they are
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: small pockets within a big, monolithic system that is not
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: going to be talking about these things. Wow. Yeah, the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: monolithic system really stuck out. Yeah, because it is. It's
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a it's such a vast system, and you know, I
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: think that's the that's the thing that all of us
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: just have to make more peace with, is that every everything,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: everything has its layers to it. You have your good,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: you're mediocre, you're bad. But yeah, I mean, the good
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: thing is we have statistically one of the best emergency
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: care systems in the world. But how we're dealing with
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: chronic healthcare, how we're dealing with mental health, that's the problem.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Because I we can always should all be commending the
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: good things. But just because we have good things with
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: emergency care and life saving surgeries and things in that realm,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: that's all amazing, But what are we doing with everybody
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: with chronic health problems? So that's a lot of people. Um,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: So that that's what I'm trying to empower people to do,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and realizing that if you change the hearts of mind
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of the individual, if you got to start grassroots thing
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and honestly think with the advent of podcast and the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: democratization of information like this and articles and the blogosphere,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and I was talking about this for as long as
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: we for the past twelve years or so, I think
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that's what has brought integrated medicine sections within mainstream institutions.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Like when we started out, there was no Cleveland Clinic
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: functional medicine center, and now there's integrated medicine sections within
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: mainstream institutions. I really believe in parts due to the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: people wanting wanting information and wanting options and choice with
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: their healthcare. Wow. Yeah yeah, Is there anything in your
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: field that you're excited about right now? Right now? Personally? Um,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Like I'm consulting patients eight am to six pm, six
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: thirty seven pm, like all day long, throughout the day.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: What is exciting to me is the what we're doing.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Most of my patients are private one on one telehealth
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: like this, we're talking one on one. But we started
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: this group model, which is really exciting for me because
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: if you have you know, fifty people in a virtual
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: room and I can talk to everybody fifty at at
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the same time, versus doing fifty hours individually, I'm able
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to really help a lot more people. And also it
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: gives people a community where they are very isolated because
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: maybe their family and friends don't get it, like they
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: don't know what fatigue, they don't know what it's like,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: they don't know what odd immunities like, they don't know
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: what panic attacks are like. And to provide not only
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: me being able to reach more people in a ten hour,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: eleven hour day, but also it's an amazing community and
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: it makes it more accessible for people. You have talked
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: about privilege and accessibility. We're excited for those two reasons,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: like we're able to help more people, were able to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: create a community, but it also enables us to make
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: this more accessible and more affordable to people as well,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: so I'm excited about that model too. Wow, I'm excited
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: about this sim yet so last last piece that I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: would love to ask for anyone that is really feeling
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: themselves kind of perking up to hearing this conversation. Maybe
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: this is taking you into a new pathway in your
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: mind and heart, and the options are starting to expand
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: for you, rebalancing, replenishing, restoring. What are some ways to
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: start doing that, to start kind of coming into this
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: functional medicine approach, this more holistic view of one's health.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: What are some ways or some maybe something someone could
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: do each day some questions to start asking, Yeah, thank you,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that's a great question. So here a few things. Going
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: back to that earlier statement of intuitive fasting, that concept
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: is I've created that book and that concept for people
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: outside of my clinic for than just just read to
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: use fasting as a medicine, but also as a meditation.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: So I think that that is what fully in fasting
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: can be used. Like it's one thing to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the clinical nutrition, the science of it, what's it doing
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  Speaker 1: for your health? What's it what's the physiological health benefits
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  Speaker 1: of it? That's using fasting as a medicine we talked
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  Speaker 1: about that, but let's not leave it like that. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that it's so much richer, so much exponentially
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  Speaker 1: more powerful when you use fasting how our ancestors used it,
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  Speaker 1: and no matter where you came from, no matter where
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  Speaker 1: what your heritage looks like, fasting has been used for
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  Speaker 1: not just health benefits by early doctors, but also used
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  Speaker 1: for spiritual benefits, benefits, for mindfulness benefits. So I brought
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  Speaker 1: in the book, I brought this concept called metaphysical meals,
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  Speaker 1: which is basically just what our ancestors were just called
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  Speaker 1: stillness or prayer or meditation. It's it's using these things
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  Speaker 1: that calm the noise, because there's physiological noise going on
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  Speaker 1: in our body in the form of chronic inflammation, hormonal imbalance,
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  Speaker 1: underlying gut problems. This is uh, this analogy that I
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  Speaker 1: use of like how we see climate change going on
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  Speaker 1: in our world, we're seeing physiological climate change in the
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  Speaker 1: form of chronic inflammation in the human body. That's proverbial
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  Speaker 1: imbalance going on. And we're part of nature, one and
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  Speaker 1: the same. So we're just like a physiological manifestation of
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  Speaker 1: what we're part of and what I want people to
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  Speaker 1: realize is that there's also a lot of mental emotional noise.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, all you have to do is look at
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  Speaker 1: at social media and the sort of endless vortex of noise,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of it is is negative, like what
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  Speaker 1: you and I are trying to do, and you do
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  Speaker 1: so great. It's just creates some pockets of light within
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  Speaker 1: a toxic tribal environment. And I feel like the concept
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  Speaker 1: that I talked about and intuitive fasting is really that resetting,
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  Speaker 1: calming the physiological noise in the form of calming inflammation,
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  Speaker 1: but also if you use it as a meditation, it's
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  Speaker 1: also calming that mental emotional noise too, and that's the
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  Speaker 1: best healing. So I think that people bring acts of
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  Speaker 1: stillness in their life, bring some intermittent factsing that's flexible
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  Speaker 1: in their life. And I put together before week protocol
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  Speaker 1: in the book. So it's very light, very flexible, very
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  Speaker 1: checking in with your body throughout all of this. Because
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  Speaker 1: we are all different and some fast some people need
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  Speaker 1: fat more fasting, some people need less. And I would
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  Speaker 1: say a third thing would be bring in nourishing things
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  Speaker 1: for your guts. So a lot of soups and stews
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  Speaker 1: I think are really needed and are old as far
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  Speaker 1: as food is concerned, because many people their gut is
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  Speaker 1: so unhealthy and then they think, I just gonna load
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  Speaker 1: up on like all these vegetables. I'm gonna have tons
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  Speaker 1: of like salads, and I like that's like personification. That's
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the the quintessential meal is like a big old salad.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of vegetables can be really difficult to digest.
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  Speaker 1: So if you need to meet your gut where it's at,
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  Speaker 1: So having lots of soups and stups, which again this
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  Speaker 1: is nothing new ancestrally, people would have done this for
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  Speaker 1: a long time and having soups and stews. So we
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: need to just give our gut a break, almost predigestive
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  Speaker 1: for our gut in a way, by cooking it down,
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  Speaker 1: having lots of soups and studies to allow our body
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  Speaker 1: to digest it more easily and stress because digestion requires
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  Speaker 1: a lot of energy. So if you give your body
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a break. So if if people just
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  Speaker 1: did that, like bring more meditation stillness in their life,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even during a fast, I think would be exponentially
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  Speaker 1: more powerful. And third, some soups and steers man, the
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  Speaker 1: world will be better place with just the three things.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Wow wow, wow, Yes, thank you for the tools. Dr
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: will Cole. So grateful for your time. I know you
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: are just exceedingly busy in the way that you are
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  Speaker 1: serving the world. So I am so grateful for your time,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: So grateful for your three books Keto Terry and the
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Inflammation Spectrum, and your latest Intuitive Fasting which is in
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: stores and available now. And you have an incredible podcast,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: The Art of Being Well UM that is constantly giving
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: so much deep information UM. And so I just I
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: hope everyone floods to Dr Will Cole's page and also
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: do this podcast, because you know, my show is centered
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: around making higher consciousness really applicable to the daily life
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: UM and finding a path of grace, of ease and surrender.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: But a huge piece about doing that everyone listening is
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: really caring about your body. You have to care about
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  Speaker 1: how you work inside, how you feel inside. Your internal
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: life is dare I say, even more important than your
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: external life. So I hope you connect to this deep
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: work and Dr Will Cole. I'm so grateful, cannot wait
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to connect again in the future. Thank you so much,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me all right, big, big, big, big,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: big Thank you to Dr Will Cole for blessing us
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: with some of his time coming on this show. You
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: can connect with him in so many ways I already shared,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: but write this down. If you haven't his books, cop them,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: get them Amazon Prime, lest go keyto Terry and the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Inflammation Spectrum and the latest bestseller Intuitive Fasting. Really really
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: powerful tools for your toolbox, especially if you're exploring ways
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: to make those deeper connections with mind, body and soul
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and create for yourself a lifestyle that feels worthy of
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the calling on your life. So you connect with Dr
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Will Cole through his books, through his YouTube videos, through
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: his podcast, and definitely through his Instagram. We are so grateful.
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