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- 0:00Welcome to Loud and Lifted Quick Lift. I'm Betsy
- 0:03Hamm, and this is where we take the key takeaways
- 0:05from a full episode and turn it into something
- 0:07you can actually use this week. Today, we're
- 0:10pulling from a conversation with Casey D 'Amato
- 0:13about big decisions, emotional intelligence,
- 0:16outside pressure, and finding clarity when everything
- 0:18else feels loud. And there was one idea from
- 0:21that conversation that has stayed with me. Sometimes
- 0:23we're not stuck on the decision. We're avoiding
- 0:27the conversations that come after it. Annoying,
- 0:31right? Because we tell ourselves we need more
- 0:33information, more time, another meeting, a better
- 0:36plan, maybe one more spreadsheet, although personally,
- 0:38it's never the spreadsheet. But a lot of time,
- 0:41we already know the answer. We know the role
- 0:44is no longer working. We know the partnership
- 0:46has run its course. We know someone is not meeting
- 0:48our expectations, and we know that the workload
- 0:51is unsustainable. The decision may be uncomfortable,
- 0:54but it's not actually unclear. What feels unclear
- 0:58is everything that comes next. What will they
- 1:01say? Will they be angry, disappointed? Will they
- 1:03think I'm selfish, difficult, disloyal? Will
- 1:06they make it a whole thing? I mean, you know
- 1:08the type. So instead of having that conversation,
- 1:12we try to solve around it. We add another process,
- 1:16move responsibilities around. take on more ourselves,
- 1:19give one more chance without clearly saying it's
- 1:22the last chance. We wait for the perfect moment,
- 1:25which oddly enough never appears on the calendar.
- 1:29And this is where avoidance gets tricky because
- 1:31it can look a lot like leadership. We're working,
- 1:34we're problem solving, trying to protect the
- 1:36team, being thoughtful or patient. But are we
- 1:39leading the issue forward or are we just making
- 1:42ourselves busier so we don't have to deal with
- 1:44the part that feels so personal? I have done
- 1:47this. I have told myself I was waiting for more
- 1:49clarity. Deep down, what I was waiting for was
- 1:52the conversation to somehow become less uncomfortable.
- 1:56It never does, by the way. So let's make this
- 1:58practical. Four steps to get out of the loop
- 2:01and move toward the conversation you already
- 2:04know you need to have. Number one, name the conversation.
- 2:07Before you solve anything, name the conversation
- 2:09you're avoiding. Who is the person and what do
- 2:12you actually need to say? not the soft inversion,
- 2:16not the opening paragraph you're writing in your
- 2:18head to prove you're still a good person, and
- 2:21not the 12 supporting details you plan to use
- 2:23so there's absolutely no chance they can disagree
- 2:25with you. What is the truth in one sentence?
- 2:29Maybe it's the partnership is no longer working,
- 2:31or your performance is not meeting the expectations
- 2:34of this role, or I made a decision that you may
- 2:38not agree with. The one sentence matters because
- 2:41we often make the conversation harder. by trying
- 2:43to make the truth impossible to feel. We add
- 2:47so much context and apology and explanation that
- 2:49the other person cannot tell what we're actually
- 2:52saying. Is this feedback, a warning, a request,
- 2:56a final decision? You know what I'm talking about.
- 2:59Clarity is not cruelty. You do not have to say
- 3:02everything in one sentence, but you should know
- 3:04the point of the conversation in one sentence.
- 3:08So action item, write down the person's name
- 3:09and the one sentence you have been avoiding.
- 3:12Do not write the speech yet, just write the truth.
- 3:16Step two, make sure you've made the decision.
- 3:19Sometimes we avoid the conversation because we're
- 3:21scared. Other times we avoid it because we genuinely
- 3:24have not made the decision yet. Those are not
- 3:26the same problems. This is where Casey's head,
- 3:29heart, and gut framework is so useful. It separates
- 3:33the different inputs instead of letting them
- 3:34all swirl together in one giant feeling of, I
- 3:37don't know. So let's start with your head. What
- 3:40does the data say? Look at the facts, the numbers,
- 3:43the performance, the pattern, the history. Is
- 3:45the situation improving? Have expectations been
- 3:48clear? Have you already provided support or feedback
- 3:51along the way? Then look at the heart. Who is
- 3:54affected and what are you feeling? Who may be
- 3:57hurt? What relationship could change? Are you
- 4:00staying because of loyalty, guilt, fear, or maybe
- 4:03just responsibility? Or are you trying to protect
- 4:05someone from a feeling that they may need to
- 4:08experience? And then the gut. What do you know?
- 4:10Not what can you prove in a PowerPoint? Not what
- 4:13everybody else thinks you should do? When the
- 4:16noise quiets down, what do you already know?
- 4:20Casey's rule is that two of the three need to
- 4:22align and I love that because all three may never
- 4:24agree. Your head and gut may say it's time to
- 4:27leave while your heart is sad about what you're
- 4:29losing. The goal is not to eliminate every uncomfortable
- 4:32feeling. The goal is to understand whether the
- 4:34discomfort means the decision is wrong or simply
- 4:37that the decision has a cost. When I made my
- 4:40own career pivot, it was not because every part
- 4:42of me felt calm and certain. There was excitement,
- 4:45but there was also grief, fear, identity, and
- 4:48a lot of questions about what came next. A decision
- 4:51can be right and still feel heavy. Action item,
- 4:55create three columns, head, heart, gut. Answer
- 4:58each one separately. Then ask, where do two of
- 5:01the three align? Step three, notice what avoidance
- 5:05is costing you. Avoiding the conversation does
- 5:08not keep things neutral. It actually creates
- 5:11a cost. Maybe you keep doing work that belongs
- 5:13to someone else. Maybe your strongest team members
- 5:16are frustrated because an issue is not being
- 5:18addressed. Maybe you're losing sleep, replaying
- 5:22imaginary versions of the conversation. And maybe
- 5:24you're becoming resentful toward a person who
- 5:26does not even know they're the problem. And sometimes
- 5:29the person on the other side already knows something
- 5:31is off. They feel the tension. They notice the
- 5:34vague feedback. They just don't know what it
- 5:36means. Silence does not protect people. Sometimes
- 5:40it simply makes them anxious without giving them
- 5:43anything useful to respond to. This is also where
- 5:46busyness becomes a very convenient hiding place.
- 5:49We say, I have to take this on. I have to stay
- 5:52involved. I have to wait until things settle
- 5:53down. I have to get through this launch quarter
- 5:56busy season. But sometimes I have to really means
- 6:00I'm scared to say no. I'm scared to disappoint
- 6:03someone or look difficult or again have the conversation.
- 6:07Casey made the point that many things we describe
- 6:09as outside our control are actually choices we
- 6:12have continued making because of fear, expectation
- 6:15or other people's perceptions. This does not
- 6:18mean every responsibility magically disappears.
- 6:21It means we stop pretending we have no role in
- 6:24the pattern. Ask yourself, what am I continuing
- 6:27to do because it allows me to postpone the real
- 6:29issue? And what is the delay cost to me, the
- 6:33other person, and everyone around us? Action
- 6:36item here is name one cost of waiting, then identify
- 6:40one workaround or delay you can stop using as
- 6:43a cover. And step number four, prepare for the
- 6:46conversation, not every possible reaction. Now
- 6:49comes the part nobody enjoys. You have to have
- 6:52the conversation. But there's a difference between
- 6:55preparing and obsessing. Preparing means getting
- 6:58clear in your message. Obsessing means rehearsing
- 7:01every possible thing the other person could say
- 7:03and trying to build a response for all of it.
- 7:06That's impossible. Humans remain wildly committed
- 7:09to being unpredictable. Do not prepare alone.
- 7:13Call a mentor. Talk to a friend who's handled
- 7:15something similar. Ask a coach. Find the person
- 7:17who will help you get clearer and more direction,
- 7:21not the person who will help you avoid it for
- 7:22another three weeks. Before the conversation,
- 7:25manage your emotional state. Casey uses a two
- 7:28-minute rule. Give yourself a defined amount
- 7:31of time to feel angry, frustrated, hurt, overwhelmed,
- 7:35scared. It may literally be two minutes. It may
- 7:38be a day. The point is not to suppress the emotion.
- 7:41It's to keep the emotion from running the meeting.
- 7:45So get clear on four things. What is the decision
- 7:47or issue? What does the person need to understand?
- 7:50What happens next? And what is not up for debate?
- 7:54Then open directly. You might say, I want to
- 7:56be clear about why I asked to meet. I have decided
- 8:00X. Or I need to address something that is not
- 8:03working. I want to be clear about the change
- 8:05that needs to happen. Or even, this is difficult
- 8:09for me to say, but I do not want that difficulty
- 8:12to make me unclear. Then say the thing. You can
- 8:15provide context without burying the message.
- 8:18You can be compassionate without turning decision
- 8:21back into a group vote. You can listen without
- 8:23abandoning what you came to communicate. And
- 8:27here's the hardest part. They may not like it.
- 8:29They may be disappointed. They may disagree.
- 8:32They may need time. Your job is not to make sure
- 8:35they have no reaction. Your job is to communicate
- 8:38clearly, treat them fairly, and allow them their
- 8:42own time to respond. Emotional intelligence does
- 8:44not mean making sure nobody feels uncomfortable.
- 8:47It means recognizing your emotions, understanding
- 8:50theirs, and still staying grounded enough to
- 8:52communicate the truth. Action, write your opening
- 8:55two sentences, then put the meeting on the calendar
- 8:58before fear turns into another someday. That's
- 9:02the four -step process. Think about the one conversation
- 9:04sitting in the back of your mind right now. Name
- 9:07it. Run the decision through your head, heart
- 9:10and gut. Be honest about what the waiting is
- 9:13costing you. Prepare your opening, not every
- 9:15possible reaction, then set the meeting. Because
- 9:18the conversation is probably not going to become
- 9:21easier while you wait. And the goal is never
- 9:24to walk in without fear. The goal is to stop
- 9:27letting fear make the decision for you. There's
- 9:29a good chance the relief begins before the conversation
- 9:32is even over because you are no longer spending
- 9:35all of your energy carrying what has not been
- 9:38said. And trust me, I have one of these conversations
- 9:41sitting on my list too. So I'm not talking to
- 9:43you from the other side of perfect execution.
- 9:45I am right there with you. This week, find your
- 9:48conversation, write the sentence, set the meeting,
- 9:50and say what needs to be said. If you haven't
- 9:54listened to Casey's full episode, I strongly
- 9:56encourage you to do so. Until next time, stay
- 9:58loud and stay lifted.