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Episode #205: Seeing Through Animal Eyes: Dr. Temple Grandin, Intuition, and the Field That Connects Us All · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_03: The number one thing with animals, she says, is calm down.
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  SPEAKER_03: Calm down.
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  SPEAKER_03: Animals know our intent.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, a lot of times, you know, think about our relationships with people, you know, even, you know, even a marriage, you're not always sure what the intent is of the other person.
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  SPEAKER_03: But she said, animals, intuitively, because they live in this different, on this different plane, they always know your intent.
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  SPEAKER_03: You cannot keep your intent from animals.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hello, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels Podcast with your hosts, Farmer Joel Salatin, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Cena McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_03: We have a little bit of an interesting, different uh twist on today.
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  SPEAKER_03: We normally talk about humans and farming and things like that, but uh just recently I got the distinct privilege of being able to uh be in a homestead conference in uh Illinois with the esteemed and wonderful and iconic and remarkable Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Temple Grandon.
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  SPEAKER_03: For those of you who maybe have not come out of a cave for a few years, Temple Grandon, uh, as you know, is the world's premier animal behaviorist.
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  SPEAKER_03: She she's autistic and has used her autism to to be able to step into the the hooves, the beaks, the the the claws, uh the paws of um of animals and see what they see.
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  SPEAKER_03: See she sees in pictures.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's the author of, I don't know what, you know, uh uh a dozen, 15 books.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh she is just, you know, if you haven't seen the documentary Temple Grandon, uh you need to see it.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's uh it's the most powerful thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, I mean, you just at least for me, I just uh cry through it.
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  SPEAKER_03: What a what a wonderful lady.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's been here at our farm.
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  SPEAKER_03: We've we've hosted her, we've become a little bit, you know, professional friends.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um and so I thought it would be interesting to share a little bit what she shared about animals and pets um at this at this conference.
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  SPEAKER_03: I took a couple pages of notes.
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  SPEAKER_03: So let me just let me just uh run right in here, and um and of course she talked about livestock too, and I I won't get into all that right now, but I think I think uh the first thing that I would say that that she said that was interesting to me was the number one, I'm always looking for the number one.
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  SPEAKER_03: What's the number one?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, we get to make a list.
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  SPEAKER_03: The number one thing with animals, she says is calm down, calm down.
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  SPEAKER_03: Animals know our intent.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, a lot of times, you know, think about our relationships with people, you know, even you know, even a marriage, you're not always sure what the intent is of the other person, but she said, animals intuitively, because they live in this different on this different plane, they always know your intent.
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  SPEAKER_03: You cannot keep your intent from animals.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so if you're frustrated, uh angry, uh um, you know, really thinking, I'd like to smack you down, they they know that, okay?
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  SPEAKER_03: You can hide that with people.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, you can smile and put on, but animals see through it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that uh that was a really uh wonderful thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so then she went into this this whole kind of a thing about rewarding polite behavior.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um she talked about, for example, uh you're putting you're putting food in a dog dish and the dogs like jump up on you and they act all uh um excited.
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  SPEAKER_03: She said, if a dog's rushing you because you know, I want to eat, feed me, don't feed them.
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  SPEAKER_03: She said, You want polite animals.
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  SPEAKER_03: She kept using the word polite, which we don't usually use with animals, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh we we just assume animals are uh are incapable of politeness, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: They we just think they're all bullies and they're all you know me-sided, but she said no.
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  SPEAKER_03: She said, in fact, uh the way you reward their behavior determines whether they're polite or not.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you go out for the dog dish and the dog, you know, gets all excited and jumps up on you, don't feed it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Maybe for 20 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then as soon as the dog settles down and gets calm, put the food in.
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  SPEAKER_03: And what you're doing is you are intentionally rewarding polite behavior.
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  SPEAKER_03: She said, and and she said, you know, whether it's one animal or several, dogs, cats, whatever, you can actually very quickly let them know by withholding or offering food or treats what behavior is acceptable and what behavior is not acceptable, and they will respond very quickly to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, as you're talking, this reminds me a lot of raising children, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the same concept.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like when you talked about animals know your intent, um, you know, like you said, it is easier as adults to hide your intention.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can become better at that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you know what I found?
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  SPEAKER_00: I think kids, kids can sense your intention, especially younger kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I you know, I have a a good friend of mine um is a parenting coach, her name's Seema, not to be confused with my name Sina, Seema Sina.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's a handful for the kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: That would be a handful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but she taught me that um the same, so two pe two parents can use the same parenting technique, but one parent could be successful in the technique and the other one could fail.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's in large part because of the intention behind it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's like how Temple was talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're if your child is having a meltdown and you go over to comfort the child by like hugging the child and like, you know, trying to comfort them through your love, if in your mind you're really thinking, I am so annoyed with you, will you just shut up and stop screaming?
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  SPEAKER_00: That intention, that energy is going to come through.
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  SPEAKER_00: And oftentimes the child will not calm down.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if your intention is really to show up for the child and to be there, support them and love them in the moment, and to kind of let them know, like you know what they're feeling.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, yeah, this sucks in this moment, you know, I hear you and I see you, the child will often calm down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's amazing the similarities here, and also how you said to reward the polite behavior with a in my experience from my own life and what I see with other moms in our group, if if the child melts down, like the dog jumping up and down, and the child's like, give me, give me, give me, and you give in, you're teaching that child to continue that behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if you don't give in, then you are sharing, you're telling them, like, you know, this is not acceptable behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: You will have this reward when you behave this way, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's I just see it as a lot of similarities between training the animals and training little kids.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she she talked about a lot about you know pushing and shoving and uh and um and that this is not you know, this is not acceptable.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, she even talks about with cows.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, you don't want you don't want cows, you don't want you don't want bulls.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, she uh for example, she said um horses, horses love to be um, they've got that long forehead, you know, and horses, horses don't fight uh with their heads, they don't butt.
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  SPEAKER_03: They they kick.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and so a horse loves to be uh petted on its you know forehead, long forehead down to its nose.
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  SPEAKER_03: A bull or a cow, that instills aggressive behavior because they do butt.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's the way they fight.
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  SPEAKER_03: They don't kick, they butt.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so when you're scratching the forehead of a bull, you're enticing that bull to be shubby and and and bullyish.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh so even that nuance between animals, you know, in how they how they think, um, you know, pet this one here, pet that one there, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: She said, a cow, what you want to do is scratch under their under their chin.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and when they raise their head up, then that's when they're being submissive and you know, and being um being loving.
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  SPEAKER_03: A horse, they put their head down and let you, you know, rub on their on their forehead.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's the way they show submission and happiness, you know, uh to your uh attention.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's incredible.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would have just pet them all on top of their head because that's where I pet my dogs.
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  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: But but she said, you know, ever all the animals have very different um different you know, trigger points and and and thought processes in how they you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, when you when you hear her talk like that, it it does make those of us who have animals, yes, you you think about it, well, sure, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: A horse comes up, they're perfectly, whereas when I've petted a petted, you know, uh rubbed a bull on his head, yeah, they're they always next thing I do, I'm backing away, you know, because he's now he's now jerking up and down and you know, and being and and she she's exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, yeah, Temple Grandon is a she's a national treasure.
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  SPEAKER_03: She is just uh an amazing, an amazing gal.
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  SPEAKER_03: So then she talked about breeding.
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  SPEAKER_03: And boy, you want to get Temple Grandon excited.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um she she really dislikes tight breeding, uh, in breeding.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and so what's happened is um especially with dogs and some livestock, but especially with dogs, you know, these these breed-specific things, you know, my my Sharpay, you know, has 10 wrinkles, yours only has eight.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh bulldogs, you know, uh higher nose, you know, and and and that that can't even breathe, you know, because they've got so much stuff up around their.
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  SPEAKER_03: She said, look, if your dog can't breathe, you know, um, you don't breed that dog.
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  SPEAKER_03: But but she she really despises these breeding outfits that push that push the narrow, well she calls it inbreeding, um, to such a narrow gene pool for for a specific characteristic that you end up creating fragility.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and and she said, you know, and these poor animals, they they, you know, you compromise their immune system.
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  SPEAKER_03: She talks about she talks about that that energy is used for reproduction, immunity, and and and and uh and maintenance.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you can't you can't pull all that energy into um for example, maintenance and not lose it over on reproduction or or immunity.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so what happens is as you uh hype up the breeding to get this, you know, this pinnacle of breed specificity, you compromise immune systems, you compromise reproduction, you compromise um uh maintenance, you get you get uh, you know, odd, odd feet, you get odd teeth, all sorts of things as you as you push that envelope.
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  SPEAKER_03: So um one of the things that she talks about is that that a lot of the um you know the the breeders that that uh breed dogs for you know family type of dogs, like like uh Labrador retrievers, you know, the ah, you know, happy, you know, child-friendly type uh lovey dovey dogs.
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  SPEAKER_03: Though she said, those have been those have been bred for affability.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're loving, um, they like people.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're they're they're you know, they're not like a great Pyrenees guardian dog or something, okay?
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  SPEAKER_03: And she said, the problem is we breed all these animals, you know, little um all sorts of poodle types and all this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: We breed these dogs for their affability and people centricity, and then we leave an am leave them in the house all day and go to work.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we wonder why when we come home the bookshelf is torn up and the sofa's ripped up and everything's ripped up, because these dogs have been so bred for people centricity and to be enjoyable for people that they can't handle being alone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, and they're pack animals, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: They need their pack, and that's why now we started out with one dog and we'd have to go to work for long hours, and that dog was miserable.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I felt so bad every time we left the house that after that I said, I'm never gonna just get one dog again.
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  SPEAKER_00: The the dog will at least have a buddy to stay with it because they are pack animals, and you just leave them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of people don't even tell them, they're like, Okay, be right back, or they just leave.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so the dog has no idea, like you know, when you're coming back or if you're coming back, they just leave.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just not things we think of in our culture, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, right, right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, um so that brings me to this to this concept of seven emotions, and and so she said, all animals have seven emotion, or there are there are seven emotions that span um animals.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so um the first one is is fear.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um what what how lot how low or how high is their fear level?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, some animals are you know get get fearful really quick, and other animals are you know like real docile and they they don't get fearful very quick.
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  SPEAKER_03: So so um uh fear, um, and then bold versus shy, bold versus shy, um separation stress, how do they feel being separated?
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  SPEAKER_03: And then the high and low seekers, she calls them seekers, so basically they're explorers, you know, how adventuresome are they?
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  SPEAKER_03: Do they, you know, because in any in any some animals are very adventuresome, and some animals, you know, want to run in a house when a grasshopper comes out of the grass, you know, and and so so that that the explores.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh then you have sex drive, you know, how what's their libido like?
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  SPEAKER_03: And then you have maternal characteristics, you know, are they are they um uh nurturing, you know, for their uh for young and and and even for each other.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, sometimes sometimes this you see, for example, somebody that has a dog and a cat, and you'll see the the dog licking the cat or the cat sleeping with the dog, you know, that that that indicates a nurturing, you know, you might not be having babies, but that same nurturing maternal instinct is is is magnetic.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then you have others that you can't get the dog and cat to even be in the same room together, you know, they're always fighting.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that's maternal.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then the final one is play, is play.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh some animals really, really, as you know, love to play, and others, uh, not so much, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and and so those are those are the seven different emotions that illustrate um well that they end up illustrating how we interact, you know, with the you know, with the animals.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um that's that that's that that those were my takeaways, and I found them, you know, very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm I always I always learn something from Temple.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, the the main thing that the and I've been with her numerous times doing presentations, interviews, and things, and and um my main takeaway from Temple in in all those times we've been together is that animals don't have a schedule.
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  SPEAKER_03: They they don't have doctor appointments, they don't have to, you know, go to school.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so an animal lives completely in the now.
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  SPEAKER_03: They don't understand, oh, there's no water in my dish.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine, they're gonna come at four o'clock and give me water.
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  SPEAKER_03: They don't understand that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so um, and so they are completely consumed, completely in the moment.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you know, as humans, we talk about come on, be present, be in the moment, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh we we we use those kind of uh things.
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  SPEAKER_03: Why?
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  SPEAKER_03: Because we're not in the moment.
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  SPEAKER_03: Every moment we're thinking, well, at three o'clock I gotta do this, at five o'clock, I gotta start supper, at seven o'clock, I gotta, you know, do this and that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and we're never in the moment.
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  SPEAKER_03: We we have to almost go into you know, into a trance to get into the moment.
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  SPEAKER_03: Whereas animals constantly live in the moment, which means they see everything, they observe everything, and and um, and they can't they can't dismiss a bad memory.
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  SPEAKER_03: If if there's a bad memory, they can't dismiss it because that's all there was.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's all there was at that time.
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  SPEAKER_03: They can't say, well, you know, he was in a bad mood today, or I know he was hurrying because he had to go, you know, go out for, you know, and meet the company CEO for a meeting, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: They can't just they can't excuse, they can't dismiss anything.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that means every interaction becomes indelibly imprinted in their memory pack.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and um, so it takes some real work once we've we've whatever messed them up, um it it it especially with you know with with some abusive you know uh stuff, um, it's really hard to you know to bring that around.
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  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, those are some of my takeaways from Temple, and uh she's just she's just so delightful.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's amazing.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I've never had the privilege of meeting her.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm wondering from your interactions and what you've learned about her, how does she connect with animals?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like um, she connects with them at a deeper level than most people.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: So how what is she doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, is she and like she sees in pictures?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, how is she sensing how does she feel things from the animals?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Or how is she communicating?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so so she she doesn't she doesn't work in the abstract at all.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and so she is she is all about patterns, patterns and um and real time, real time uh uh uh vis visceral stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so if there's a shadow, uh she says for she says, for example, if you're a farmer and you always wear a hat with a John Deere, you know, John Deere logo on the top, when you go out and move your cows, if you switch to a hat with, you know, um uh whatever, the the local bowling club, you know, logo on the front, the cows notice that.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's how that's how much they notice.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so, and so a lot of her work, her stuff in the past has been um getting at that eye level of the animal, you know, especially at slaughterhouses.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know, she when she was talking about she was at one and the the cattle would come off of the truck okay, they'd go up, and then they'd stop, they couldn't get them to go up the last little bit to the you know, to the uh knockbox.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and they couldn't figure out what the problem was.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_03: Well, the problem was that as they entered that, the alley was 12 inches above the surrounding, the surrounding floor, and the cows, the cows felt like they were going, they were gonna fall off.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: They were going into the, you know, they were going up up into an upper level, and and they didn't feel comfortable with all with that 12-inch drop all around them.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: And so what they did, they actually took cardboard boxes.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: This is so it's a great story.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: They took cardboard boxes, and so so you're with me?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: In other words, they're going up an alley and and the the floor level, the alley is is rising, and the floor level is staying the same.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: And so as they rise, they're coming farther.
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  SPEAKER_03: And farther away from what they perceive as the their world.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so they literally went out and got a bunch of cardboard boxes, and she cut them up and just put them on that on that concrete floor near that near that uh ramp so that the floor became the same level as the ramp going up.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: Cows went up just with just no problem.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because they felt like they were on firm ground.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't feel like they were on this little this little you know spine pinnacle of of something and which you know which was scary for them.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: So somehow she's oh her stories of like she had an outfit collar, the the the cows, you know, they couldn't get the cows to go where they wanted them to go.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: So she went and what she saw was a string.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: A string was hanging down uh from a from a rafter.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: You know, somebody tied something up there some at some point, and she took the string away.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: The cows went through no problem at all.
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  unknown: Wow.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's incredible.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what a testament too to just the small things that can make such a big difference, like in their lives and in our lives.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I have got to meet her.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's interesting because uh speaking of labels, um, you know, we often label autism as, you know, a thing that is just really negative.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: And we think of uh in general, society thinks of autistic people as having lesser intelligence um than the rest of us.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: And clearly she defies that label, she wears it as it's like a superpower for her that's allowing her to connect and be in the moment and to figure these things out.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's truly incredible.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so, as you know, I knew you were gonna talk about Temple Grandin, and I was starting to think about her abilities, and it just so happens that I'm reading this book, Dogs That Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I started to make some connections.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, what if what if Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Grandin is feeling what the animals feel, right?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like what if she has these kind of unseen connections, an unseen connection with these animals, like a shared field of awareness, which then opens up this bigger question that we could ask is if do animals and humans and entire species do they share a kind of almost invisible intelligence amongst them?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: So in this book, they're giving all these examples that I can relate to, is that uh there's there's phenomena that occur that modern science can't explain.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about some on the program already, particularly in the series we did on biophotons or light.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: But here's some other more common ones.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I have a friend who's nursing her baby.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And if she's away from the house, like say the husband's home with a baby and she's out of the grocery store, she knows when the baby is crying for because he's hungry, because her milk lets down.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not just because it's a routine, like every two hours or something.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: These could be at odd times, like the child's um almost three now, and but her milk will let down when the baby starts crying for for milk, even if she's miles away.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, oftentimes, yeah, these incredible things.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, I don't know if this is ever sorry, Cena.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: I just can't identify with that.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: That that I know.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, not you, but maybe other listeners, but it's an amazing story.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: But okay, so maybe maybe this one.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, have you ever like the phone rings and um you know who it is before even picking up the phone?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Or you think of a friend, like you haven't thought of this person in a while, you're thinking of them, and then they call or they send you an email, right?
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Seemingly out of the blue after you were thinking about them.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, another one is people tend to frequently know when they're being watched, like even if you're watched from behind, right?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's been studies on this too, where it's been measured in a lab and it is demonstrated that more often than not, people can tell when they are being looked at.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's also the familiar example we've used before that you walk into a room and you can feel a vibe in that room, a tense vibe, or maybe it's a loving light vibe, and you can feel that without anyone actually saying a word, right?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: So these are kind of more common experiences amongst humans that we can't explain that that pose the question of is there another type of communication that's happening beyond our acknowledged senses?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now, animals can actually go even further.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: There's dogs that can detect seizures before they happen, or that can alert their owner if they have low blood sugar.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some dogs can even smell cancer.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's incidents of cats that know when their owners are going to die.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like they'll come over and they're they'll curl up next to them just before they die.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, in this book, there's a case study of uh a dog that did this with their owner um just hours before they died.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Before earthquakes and tsunamis, birds flee.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, in World War II, there are 22 reported cases of dogs that warn their owners minutes or even sometimes an hour before bombing raids actually happened.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: And this was before sirens were even sounded to alert them that bombing raids were going to happen.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: The animals somehow knew that this was happening.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's been dogs that have found their owners even when they were across state lines, even when the dog had never been to that location, that new location before, and they're separated by thousands of miles.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: So there's no way that they could smell them or see them hundreds or thousands of miles away.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one dog was actually lost in Indiana, and he he lived in Oregon.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: They went on vacation, he was lost in Indiana.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: He walked to over 2,000 miles to get back to his old home in Oregon.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: It took him a year, but he made it back to his old.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: How did he do that?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: He had never been there before.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so there's all these cases of there a isn't there a movie about that, about these three pets that whatever homeward bound, yeah.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, homeward bound, yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was based on these on this real case study.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, but it's it's not just dogs either.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's dogs, cats, sheep, birds.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, all of these animals, some of them can know when their owners are coming home.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Even if the owner arrives at random times, like not on a schedule, you're arriving at random times, even if you're using different modes of transportation.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: So either your car or maybe a taxi drops you off, or you're walking, or a friend drops you off, or you're coming home by plane or train, they've done all kinds of experiments, and the animals know you're laughing.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Are you in disbelief?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm not.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm laughing about when I was a kid, uh, so mom was a school teacher, and um, and we had it, we had a dog, um, a little black uh beagle mutt uh named Edie.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um Edie Amin, the the African um, you know, warlord dictator, was um in in in uh you know in charge there of the country at that time.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so we named our little dog, you know, Edie after Edie Amin.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: And uh because she, you know, it it's because she was so tiny, you know, small not tiny, but she was very small and a little beagle.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: But she boy, she was a ferocious watchdog.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh she kept people from getting out of their cars, let me tell you.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: She was she was something.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: And um, anyway, um we had this pig, and this pig had become a a bit of a pet.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um he was my brother's pig, and he, you know, he would kind of go uh wherever he wanted to.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: And so the pig and the dog hooked up and became friends.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: So you got this big pig, 400 pounds, this little dog, you know, 20 pounds.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: And and they knew when mom was coming home from from school, from her work day, school, you know, uh, whatever, four o'clock, and they would sit the two of them.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know how a dog sits on his haunches, you know, with his head.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: Well, pigs don't naturally sit that way, but this pig did.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: The pig learned from the dog how to sit this way.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: And you could you could see here comes mom down the road, and here's the dog and the pig uh sitting where she's gonna park the car, you know, um waiting on her to come home every day, uh, right, you know, just together.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: That the two of them sitting right there together, you know, on their haunches.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: Hilarious.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: I wish we'd had a picture of it.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: It would have been the funniest thing in the world.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, they were each ready, ready there for um they knew about the time for her to come home, and they they just got there on their haunches and they're they're the welcoming committee, and uh we're ready for you to come home.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: That is adorable, adorable.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so and there's some there's some thought that animals can tell possibly tell some sort of time, like you said, when there is a pattern, uh so some explanation could be that they they have uh awareness of patterns, and so they can tell time from that.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: But this is also the case where numerous animals can tell when their animals are coming home, like I said, even if it's random times.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: And the book lays out lots of case studies for this.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: But this even happened to me when we lived in Virginia.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: We lived in the very back of a neighborhood, uh, in back into cul-de-sac.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it was probably like, I don't know, at least four long blocks to get from the front of the neighborhood back to our house.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I would um I would arrive home at all different times when I would leave, because we don't have a set schedule.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: And if Donnie was home, he could attest that every time he would come downstairs, he knew when I was coming home.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because right around the time when I turned into the neighborhood, the dogs all ran to the front door and waited for me, like every single time, even though it was random arrivals.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, so something's going on there.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: It can't just be sound either, like that they heard my car from that far away, because there's case studies of animals being able to tell when the person is still, you know, like say 20 miles away at work, right?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: That they start stirring and going to the door, they know the person's coming home, for example.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: So there's all these different case studies showing the these great abilities.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: And one of my favorites is actually um from a pigeon.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a pigeon named Cher, who in World War I became a hero.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: There were about 200 American soldiers from the what's called the Lost Battalion, and they were actually trapped behind enemy lines, and they were being shelled by their own artillery, and they could not communicate their location.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: So they've tried to release different pigeons to go off and tell them where they were and for them to stop shooting at them.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Two of the pigeons got shot down.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: Then they released Cher, and Cher was their last hope.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: She was shot through the breast, she was blinded in one eye, and she had one leg held on just by the tendon.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: She flew 25 miles in 25 minutes directly to the base and delivered the critical message that actually ended up saving all those men's life.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: So when you ask scientists, well, how did she know?
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: How could she do that?
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: She, I mean, she had been, I should add, she had been airlifted with the battalion to this location where they were.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not like she flew to this location and knew how to get there.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: She was airlifted deep in enemy territory.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so scientists will say, Oh, well, maybe she used the sun or the magnetic fields or her sense of smell.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: But she was half blind, badly injured, and she made it with precision over there.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: She wasn't, she wasn't guided by sight or smell.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: She wasn't following a flock.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: She flew alone and wounded in an unwavering straight-line home.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't, and and other examples I can give you on and on, that it doesn't seem to be that there's um that they're guided just by the sun or the moon or sight or smell or magnetic field.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's true that some animals are sensitive to the magnetic field.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: This has been shown, but the thinking is that acts more like a compass, just like our compass, um, you know, that we would have like a pocket compass.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it operates based on the magnetic fields of the earth.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a compass, and animals may use the magnetic field as a compass, but it still doesn't explain how they get the map in their head of where they're going, right?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the thought is these animals are tapping into something else.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Perhaps it's like a field of connection or a collective consciousness.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where this really cool idea comes into play of morphic fields.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: And morphic fields are um talked about in physics, um, they're pretty well accepted already.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: So so I won't go into detail about that, but what this author of this book, by the name his hit, by the way, his name is Dr.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Rupert Um Sheldrake.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's a Cambridge trained biologist.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: What he talks about is he applies this concept of the morphic field to um animals and how they're doing these, how they're interacting, how they're doing these amazing feats.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's saying that there's potentially like this um this field of information that they can tap into that shapes how they behave and and how they live, and that these fields carry memory, that the memory, you know, we've talked about this too, and that the memory isn't just stored in your brains or in your genes, but it's in this field itself.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um we've previously talked about how this was um a common uh a common belief among scientists in the late 19th century.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the central questions in developmental biology was the concept of morphogenesis, which is how form and structure arise during development of an embryo.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: And many scientists do believe that there's something beyond the chemical reactions or the DNA that's at play there that actually something else tells this embryo how to develop, you know, into an adult-sized being.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: And some have been proposing the existence of organizing fields, you know, since well beyond the late 19th century, and that that field would guide the embryo into into um a formed body.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about this and elaborated on it, that it's probably um related to light.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: We think of this now as kind of fringe because it has fallen out of favor with the rise of molecular biology in the mid-20th century.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's when DNA took center stage, right?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: But many researchers are even now arguing that these early ideas have not been disproven.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: They've been pushed aside by a new scientific paradigm that's based on reductionism.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: So Dr.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Sheldrake has resurrected this concept of organizing fields and he has applied it to migration and homing and social relationships and even instincts.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to give a couple examples because these are these are incredible, and it it does lend credence to the fact that there has to be some kind of connecting field amongst tribes and within tribes.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: So Sheldrake describes um an attachment to members of a tribe, for example.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: In this one case, there was a lone injured wolf that was separated from its packs for days.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: When the pack successfully hunted down a deer miles and miles away, this injured wolf was able to make a direct line back to them, even though he went across a massive, really um forest-dense wilderness.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: So there's and he was upwind, so there's no scent trail, he couldn't see them uh miles away, there were no auditory signals.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, like the wolves don't howl once they've caught this food to tell them, you know, verbally, hey, the food's over here, right?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: But but somehow that wolf knew where to go.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: And the um the scientist who was studying him concluded that somehow he knew where to go, and he also somehow tapped into the knowledge that they had in fact um brought down a deer for food.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: So they have directionality, right?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: They know where their pack is, they know the direction of them, and they also know their intentions.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, speaking of how you were talking about how Dr.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: Grandin talks about animals' no intention.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, domesticated animals can do this too.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's been many reports, you've probably read these, Joel, about cows who have escaped farms to find their calves that were taken from them and sold to another farm.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, one cow even walked 30 miles away and was able to find her calf.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's other stories of animals having this kind of bond to humans.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: So there was a Vietnam war dog who was airlifted with his handler into the jungle in Vietnam.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: They were 10 miles away from the base.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: And the handler was injured, and so they medevacked him out.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: The rest of the troops uh, you know, that he was with, the rest of the soldiers uh just abandoned him.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: He was found three weeks later back at the base.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: He somehow managed and he was airlifted over to this place in the jungle.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: So he didn't walk there himself.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: He got back to the base.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it took him three weeks, and he went through each tent on that base to find his handler's belongings, and he was totally emaciated.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: He looked awful, he wouldn't talk to anybody, he was finding his owner when I'm like, I always want to cry.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: He went tent to tent, finding his owner's belongings, finally found them and curled up in them and went to sleep.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is an example of the connection between, you know, man and a domesticated animal.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's also examples of not just connecting between other living living beings, but a connection between location.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of us can relate to this because we we are so centered on home, right?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: There's no place like home.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, right, Dorothy says that, and we're sort of us.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: She just wants to get back home.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: We are drawn to our to what we have labeled as our home.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: And we're drawn to our stuff.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: We have stuff that we treasure and we are drawn to it.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: When my mother's home burned down, um, that was really a big turning point in her and my stepfather's health because they kept saying they lost everything, you know, and it was such a devastating blow to them.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just stuff, but we we have some attachment to them.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: So here's another example of that.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's our it's it's it's our it's our um it's our memories, it's our life story.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I mean, it's it's our identity.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh uh, I mean, our our our stuff, our stuff becomes our identity, which is one reason why uh you you mentioned uh children a little bit uh ago.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um Jordan Peterson, if you're familiar with the work of Jordan Peterson, oh yeah, he he's big on and and this this just happened actually.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Teresa and I kept nursery at church the other day, uh Sunday, uh two weeks ago.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_03: And um and I one of one of the moms was up there with her two little uh boys, and one of them was playing quietly with you know with uh train set and got up there in the nursery, and the other boy came over and wanted to play with it.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so she's over demanding you have to share, you have to share.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm saying, No, maybe you need to appreciate that that was his toy, and you and that's how you establish stewardship is ownership, or you know, you have to give up anyway.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: This this is a real this is a real tough thing, you know, isn't it, in in in parenting.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um we we do uh we do want our kids to share.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: All right, we do but but you don't you don't take somebody's what domain and and and take it away uh arbitrarily because that take that that's my identity.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_03: I've I've spoken to uh we actually had a lady here yesterday touring the farm from Tanzania.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_03: She and her husband run an orphanage in Tanzania.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: They're both pastors of a church over there.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_03: And and one of the things that they do, the first thing they do is um is they give a child a backpack with their name on it.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's got crayons and and some paper and pencils and stuff, you know, stuff but it's got their name on it to establish identity.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_03: This is mine.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um You know, you you can't have this.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and I think sometimes we become so um, you know, uh whatever, cultish about sharing that we have diminished the responsibility we have to take care of things we own, because if you can't own anything, now we're back to you know, world economic form in five years nobody will own anything and you'll be happy.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: But but but it but it's it's how we care for the things that we own that determines our um our our dependability and responsibility to be stewards of anything.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I used to, when my kids were younger, I used to uh subscribe to the whole everybody's got to share.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like now take your turn, you get two minutes with it, he gets two minutes with it, you know, like because you're trying to help them stop fighting.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: And it's told we're we are told sharing is a good thing, you have to teach your kids how to share.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then one day I was talking about it with Donnie, and he said, you know, even adults have a hard time sharing, number one, but number two, you're not actually teaching our children property rights.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're not actually, and and when you have property, you take better care of it than if you're renting something for somebody, right?
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, you take ownership, you become a steward over that.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so it really clicked for me that because he said to me, he goes, it you're acting like the government where they can just come in and take it.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh man.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: Let me just take that from you, right?
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I know.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, good, good job, Donnie.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, but but so we did, and it's true.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so now my kids will take better care of the items that they know that are theirs.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so we have this, we have this guideline in our home.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: You have to ask them for permission to play with their toy.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: You can't just take it, that's stealing from somebody.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and more often than not, my kids will.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: But here's the cool thing about it not only will they share it, but then they learn, okay, this is my toy, and I'm gonna take responsibility for it.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: I want it to be well cared for.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna create rules for my toy to keep it safe.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: So they start to take that stewardship responsibility.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, you can play with it, but because you're only four, you need to play with it in front of me, like here at the table, right?
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I can watch how you're playing with it, just in case you're too rough with it.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: So, right.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: So they, and I'm like, I'm totally all for that.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like they they are craving, they are, they are problem solving.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: And instead of just saying no to somebody, they're learning to set boundaries for themselves as well, which is very important.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, we just let people walk on us.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, wait, this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so let me give you another cool example.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is about monarch butterflies, as most of us know the monarchs migrate, right?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: So they can migrate about 2,000 miles from the Great Lakes to Mexico and then they go back north, like in the spring.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: But what a lot of people don't realize is it's not one bird, one butterfly that's doing this entire migration, right?
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: It takes about three to five generations for the monarch to complete the trip.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: So no single butterfly is making that full journey.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: But here's the cool thing somehow these generations know where to go, even though they had never been there themselves and they weren't being guided by some like mama or daddy butterfly, right?
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: They just know how to go.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so that suggests that there's some kind of inherited knowledge through the field, some kind of um ancestral memory, as we say.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this aligns with what we've talked about on the program.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, for example, Eileen McCousick works with tuning forks.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: We've hosted her at our Two Days of Truth summit.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: She has used these tuning forks to map the biofield and has suggested that the biofield holds memories of not just our lives, our current lives, but memories, past traumas, if you will, of our ancestors.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that those traumas and emotions and patterns are actually passed down, not only epigenetically, but um energetically.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: And the scientific literature backs that claim.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: We have studies showing that children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors, they have altered stress hormone levels and gene methylation patterns that have changed that are that can predispose them to anxiety and PTSD and chronic stress and the like.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: So these changes, they're not rooted in the code of the DNA, but in the expression of the gene, which I would say is actually it changes the type of biophotons that are emitted from those from the genes.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it and it has also those changes are rooted in their electric field that around that are around them.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's so I want to I want to connect the dots to because I was always reading his book, uh, Dr.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sheldrake's book, about all these amazing abilities.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: I thought this sounds a lot like the biofield, right?
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and about like quantum entanglement.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I started to look at was there are parallels, right?
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's parallels between quantum entanglement and consciousness, which we've talked about in the past.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: So so for those who don't know, quantum entanglement is a phenomena where two particles, like two photons of light, become linked in such a way that their properties remain correlated, even when they're separated by vast distance.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: So when one particle is measured, the state of its entangled particle is also known instantaneously, regardless of the amount of distance between them.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a kind of strange synchronicity that defies classical physics.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it does suggest that our universe is more interconnected than we once believed, um, and perhaps even going beyond traditional limits of space and time.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: So some philosophers and scientists are now saying that there are parallels between this quantum entanglement concept and the nature of consciousness, proposing that the mind itself operates non-locally, meaning it's not in the brain.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's in the biofield, but it it's also in these morphic fields.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, we're all connected, right?
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: So there's this theory that Dr.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: Sheldrake puts forward of morphic resonates, morphic resonance.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that suggests that there's these behaviors, these patterns, um, even memories that are passed through these fields that connect all living things.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how these butterflies can do this migration, even though they go to locations that nobody's directing them to and they've never been to before.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: They're tapping into some kind of collective memories through these non-material fields.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and critics again would argue that okay, this is this is too difficult for us to test, right?
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously it can't be real because modern science can't test it.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: But but others are seeing this, this could be the framework upon which we can explain some of these seemingly unexplainable phenomena, like instincts and intuition and homing and migration.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, these theories, I'll say they're still speculative and controversial, but they do point to this emerging view that all of life is interconnected, that it's it all is made of this intelligent design by God and well, you know, whatever power you believe in, for me, that's God.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that there's even a participatory component where consciousness may not simply arise from matter, but matter is shaped by consciousness.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: So, in theory, then if humans are connected through some kind of field, then that means your changes in your thoughts and your emotion and your intention could ripple through space and time in that field to influence others.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, your your energy should affect others.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: So, if that's true, is that what we're actually seeing?
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it is.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, this is where it gets really fascinating.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked before how your biofield doesn't stop at the edge of your skin, right?
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: It reaches all around you, it intermingles with other fields.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're constantly broadcasting messages, um, signals to other people and animals nearby.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we have you heard of Lynn McTaggart and her power of eight experiments?
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you would love this because this reminds me of the power of prayer.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: So she has um done all she has books written about the power of eight.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, she's shown that when you get a group of people together that focus a healing intention on another person, even if they are miles and miles away from that person, you can measure changes in that person's health, in their mood, and their well-being.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: Her work has been replicated across or across many countries and many cultures.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's it's suggesting that uh there is this field that connects us and that you can positively influence people through your intention.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: She's documented cases, for example, where people's blood pressure has dropped, tumors have actually shrank, and anxiety has disappeared.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: And this all followed after the group intentionally sent like their healing thoughts to that person.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: And what's even more remarkable is that it wasn't one direction.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: The people sending the intention of healing also experienced a healing effect.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it seems that this has reciprocity to it, right?
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: And and this is this is backed by numerous studies in psychoneuroimmunology and bioenergetics, showing that showing that you focus your intention and you could impact um your own physiology and the world around you.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: This this is like the healing power of prayer, right?
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: You have these these prayer chains, and people swear that they they set they have these prayer chains in motion and they then they see miracles happening, right?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same thing.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: You have a group of people setting your intention.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: And Joel, correct me if I'm wrong, but I re I seem to recall a verse in the Bible where Jesus says, like, is it when three or more of you are there?
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I'm present.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's some right, it is do I have that somewhat correct?
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: When two or more, uh word two or more two or more?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm there, I'm there present.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: So so she's harnessed that biblical concept to help people um transmit some kind of healing energy um to others.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you can do this yourself, right?
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: The Bible tells you to speak life over your own bodies.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do it and watch yourselves respond.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: You can pray for someone and believe that your um intention has reached them.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you can even enter a room that's chaotic and enter with like this peace and calm in your heart, and you can watch how others around you can calm down.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: I do that a lot to help manage a situation, use my energy to kind of influence their field, right?
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, all of this is it, this is all piggybacking on previous podcasts that we've done where we've shown that mind over matter isn't just a motivational phrase, right?
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually a scientific, scientific principle.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there is this new study I found that was on um chicks.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so you know how before I've talked about how a person's intention can influence matter?
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about this with the random number generator um in the episode we did on biophotons.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: There was another researcher, and you know how chicks will imprint on like the first thing they see moving, which is usually their mama.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, what they did in this experiment was they had the chicks imprint on a robot, right, instead of their mama chick, which is just mean, but but just go with me here.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: So the chicks imprinted on the robot, okay?
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: So what they did was they put the robot in the room without the chicks there.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_00: So there was a cage that was empty, and there was a robot, and they had the robot move randomly and they measured its movement with a with a um with devices so they can see yes, in fact, the robot is moving randomly.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: Then what they did was they took these chicks that it imprinted on that robot and they stuck it in the cage.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: And the chicks couldn't get to the robot because they were in the cage, but they wanted to be with the robot because that was what they imprinted on.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: So what they found was the robot was started to move um toward the chicks.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: It stayed on that half of the room.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like it still moved around because that's what it's programmed to do, but it didn't go to the other half of the room anymore.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: It only stayed over there by the chicks.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you took chicks who did not imprint on the robot and you stuck them in the cage, which was one of their control groups, the robot went back to just randomly moving all around all across the room.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: So the researchers concluded that these chicks had some kind of focused intention where they seemed to be able to influence matter in the form of this machine.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think to me, that's pretty incredible.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so if you don't, oh, and we're actually almost out of time.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: Can I give you one last quick example?
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so so when so when the bearing goes out in my car, um, can I sit there and really uh wish that that bearing would get better and uh and the bearing will be okay?
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_03: So that would sure save some mechanic, Bills.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so oh my gosh.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_00: So um, okay, if you're ready to go that far, there are people in this space who study this who say that um you can influence cars and machines.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like we're talking about with being a good steward.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_00: If you have that intention toward that matter, it is more likely to hold itself up for a longer period of time.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so there's some people that will say, like if your car breaks down, for you to sit there and think, what kind of intention am I having when I'm in this car?
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't necessarily even mean you have a negative intention to your car.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: It means check what your emotional state is.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: Are you someone who's negative?
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: Are you, you know, are you complaining about people all the time?
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Are you spreading gossip?
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_00: Are you you know what I mean?
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: Or are you somebody who is radiating with the fruits of the spirit, right?
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: It what they're saying is it all affects everything.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, I mean, you you're you're you're touching on uh like hypochondriac, you know, where people that are just, oh, I'm gonna get sick, I'm gonna get sick.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, guess what?
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_03: They get sick.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, and and whenever you have any any kind of uh issue, it's it's hard, isn't it, to um to think positively about that and not, oh man, I'm getting older, I'm just gonna wear out.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna, you know, I mean, we're it that's just that's just our normal, you know, our normal um, you know, reaction to things like that.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_03: That it's gonna it that we're hardwired.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's why we call them stop lights and not go lights.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you never come back from town and say, hey, I hit five go lights.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we don't we don't remember what makes us go, we remember what makes us stop.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: We tend to focus on the negative, you know, and I think part of that's uh a survival mechanism, right?
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: You so you don't run into trouble, you know.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: So you're the body's kind of looking out for itself.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_00: But but yeah, if we can shift to the positive, it it will change even things around you, it will change.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so let me give a quick um example.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: In the light series that we did, we talked about Dr.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_00: Pop and his various experiments that he did.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, we talked about being able to suck photons of light out of food um and how carcinogens would affect um uh the coherence of light, for example.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: So there's also another experiment that he did, and others have done, that showed that living organisms absorb each other's light.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this goes into this concept we're talking about here of how we can actually affect each other positively or negatively.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: So he did this with using water fleas and small fish and even sunflowers, and others have you know expanded from there.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: He showed that those organisms actively absorb light from each other and that even bacteria will swallow up light.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: So here's one example.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: He took two cell cultures that were identical and he placed them in different containers and he separated them with glass.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: One of these cultures got zapped with something that was harmful, it could have been radiation or poison.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and if the glass that was separating these two petri dishes, if that glass blocked UV light and and IR, so infrared, the cells that were not treated stayed safe and healthy.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: But if that glass allowed the UV light and the infrared to go through it, the cells that were not treated with the toxin, they grew sick and they died.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so the one cells sent a light signal to the other cells and told them, like, we're dying, right?
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: And these experiments were all done in darkness, they were done over 5,000 times with consistent results, suggesting that the cell broadcast a death message by light to the other cells.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: So what this what this means is that we are communicating with each other on a subconscious level, even.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: And what I what I want to get across here is that that was an experiment that happened in a cell culture, it was not in a holistic body.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: So we do know that we send these signals through fields, but and we send them through light.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that this is kind of a tribal adaptive advantage that God gave us.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a negative thing.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: We're like, oh, if one cell is dying, now I'm gonna send, I'm gonna send this signal over to you, Joel, and now you're gonna start dying, right?
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think that the body as a holistic, you know, as a system, will interpret that signal and it will adapt accordingly.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: So just like plants do, we've talked about this before that plants send all kinds of signals to each other warning them, like, oh, there's a drought coming, or oh, you know, there's locusts here, and they will respond accordingly.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: So we know this happens in humans with microRNA in exosomes.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_00: And we've mentioned this on the podcast as well that you're sending material to somebody next to you to help you upgrade your hardware, right?
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's in your body.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that gives you an adaptive advantage.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so now what I'm saying is, I think we're also sending these signals through light to as a tribe to help build resiliency by sending these warning signals that, like, oh, I'm injured.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is what happened to me here.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_00: Prepare that this might be coming, right?
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_00: This also explains part of why, um, and Pop believed this too, that healing is more likely if your practitioner is in harmony with you.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: If your practitioner believes you, if your practitioner believes in is aligned with your principles, that maybe food is medicine, or that herbs or homeopathy um can heal you, you're much more likely to heal if that practitioner is aligned with you.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we think part of it is through these signals.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_00: So um this type of instant communication could explain how schools of fish and like flocks of birds coordinate so seemingly, seemingly and effortlessly and instantaneously.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: They seem to maybe communicate through some kind of like invisible channel that maybe uh maybe Dr.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_00: Sheldrake is correct that it's some kind of morphic field.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: But no matter what it's called, I think the bigger the because we're not into labels here, right?
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_00: So call it a morphic field, call it a biofield, call it a field of light, whatever you want to call it.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think the bottom line truth that we can even witness in our own lives is that we are all connected, not just to animal to each other, but to animals and plants and the earth and to God.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: And when the Bible says, Let there be light, it may have been some literal activation of God's field as a carrier of information, consciousness, intention of life.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I was thinking about it, and I think it was the book of Acts that said something like, for him, we live and move and have our being.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_00: That could describe existing within God's field, within his field of consciousness and his field of creation.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: This could describe how how prayer works, how healing happens, how love is felt across miles, how how mothers sense when their child then their child is in pain.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think these are supernatural or fringe abilities.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think these are deeply natural ones that God has given us, rooted in his own desire, in his own design.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that if these abilities seem fringe to people, it's because in large part we've lost our connection with land and with animals and each other and with God or whatever higher power that you believe in.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_00: And as I was sitting back and thinking about what's the big takeaway here, I thought, you know, in our world that's increasingly fragmented.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_00: This helps us to kind of realize that we are whole, we're not broken people.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_00: It will bring us back to wholeness when we understand that no one's actually broken.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: Some of us are just tuned to a different channel.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_00: So the question is really, what are you connecting with?
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like in your day-to-day, what are you spending your time, energy, and intention connecting with?
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: And is that what you want to be connected to?
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and yeah, well said.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_03: And and to um and to create a place here for respect and honor, even to the person that you violently disagree with.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_03: And this is where I you know, I get tired of people that talk about, you know, the conspiracy this, conspiracy that, and evil this, I mean, there there is evil, yes, there is uh not uh taking that away, but um I find that if I if I assume evil intent for somebody who has a different take on something than I do, evil intent, then we can't even have a conversation.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_03: But if I assume if I assume good intent and we just disagree on how to get there, uh well then we can have a conversation, you know, on whether we should have another government agency or allow people to sell food to their neighbors without a government bureaucrat in between.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, those kinds of things can be can be um discussed, but you know, you you can't have a discussion if the other side thinks I'm stupid or you know demeans me, their their viewpoint, and I likely uh uh demean them in my you know attitude toward what they are.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, it's uh it's an interconnected thing.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we're out of time, Cena.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_03: So um, so so I would say uh wouldn't it be interesting?
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_03: Let's ask our ask our uh our listeners if they want to respond here to the question.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um the question is have you ever had one of these kind of um extra physical encounters with your with an animal?
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, where uh uh it can be it can be any animal.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_03: And and you know, when you start when you start going down that path, there's all kinds of things.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, wild animals, domestic livestock, pets, um, all sorts of you know interesting interesting encounters.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: Can we can we include animal or people?
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, just in case.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_00: So if you if they've had one of these extra physical encounters with either an animal or a person.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_03: Great.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_03: Hey everybody, thanks for uh thanks for uh spending the time with us here and uh letting us invade your lives, your space.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we consider it uh always a a great honor.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_03: And um we'll look forward to visiting with you again next week on another Beyond Labels podcast.