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The Significance of Family in Children's Literature Through the Eyes of a Proud Father · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

• 4:22
  Jake
• 4:22
  Buck.
• 4:23
  Title
• 4:23
  of
• 4:23
  the
• 4:24
  book
• 4:24
  is
• 4:24
  Bug
• 4:24
  Hug.
• 4:25
  Thanks,
• 4:25
  Jake,
• 4:26
  for
• 4:26
  appearing
• 4:26
  on
• 4:27
  the
• 4:27
  Adventures
• 4:27
  in
• 4:27
  the
• 4:28
  Heart
• 4:28
  of
• 4:28
  Children's
• 4:29
  Book
• 4:29
  Authors
• 4:29
  podcast.
• 4:31
  Jake
• 4:31
  has
• 4:32
  written
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  book,
• 4:32
  as
• 4:33
  he's
• 4:33
  mentioned
• 4:34
  children's
• 4:35
  book
• 4:35
  called
• 4:35
  Bug
• 4:35
  Hug
• 4:36
  and
• 4:36
  I
• 4:36
  look
• 4:36
  forward
• 4:36
  to
• 4:36
  our
• 4:37
  conversation.
• 4:38
  Jake,
• 4:39
  before
• 4:39
  we
• 4:39
  get
• 4:40
  into
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  details
• 4:40
  behind
• 4:41
  your
• 4:41
  book,
• 4:42
  can
• 4:42
  you
• 4:42
  tell
• 4:43
  us
• 4:43
  what
• 4:43
  it
• 4:43
  means
• 4:44
  to
• 4:44
  you,
• 4:45
  being
• 4:45
  a
• 4:46
  children's
• 4:46
  book
• 4:46
  authority?
• 4:48
  It
• 4:48
  just
• 4:49
  means
• 4:49
  the
• 4:49
  world
• 4:49
  to
• 4:49
  me.
• 4:50
  It's
• 4:50
  always
• 4:50
  been
• 4:50
  a
• 4:51
  dream
• 4:51
  of
• 4:51
  mine.
• 4:51
  So
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  could
• 4:51
  take
• 4:52
  some
• 4:52
  of
• 4:52
  my
• 4:52
  illustrations,
• 4:53
  take
• 4:53
  some
• 4:53
  of
• 4:53
  my
• 4:53
  stories
• 4:54
  and
• 4:54
  make
• 4:54
  them
• 4:54
  come
• 4:54
  to
• 4:54
  life.
• 4:55
  And
• 4:55
  I
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  had
• 4:56
  my
• 4:56
  daughter
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  three
• 4:57
  and
• 4:57
  a
• 4:57
  half
• 4:57
  years
• 4:58
  ago,
• 4:58
  and
• 4:58
  it
• 4:58
  was
• 4:58
  something
• 4:59
  where
• 4:59
  just
• 4:59
  seeing
• 4:59
  her
• 4:59
  read
• 5:00
  all
• 5:00
  these
• 5:00
  different
• 5:00
  kind
• 5:00
  of
• 5:00
  books
• 5:01
  and
• 5:01
  seeing
• 5:01
  all
• 5:01
  these
• 5:02
  different
• 5:02
  kind
• 5:03
  of
• 5:03
  books
• 5:03
  come
• 5:03
  to
• 5:03
  life
• 5:04
  just
• 5:04
  made
• 5:04
  me
• 5:04
  start
• 5:04
  thinking,
• 5:05
  like,
• 5:05
  I
• 5:05
  would
• 5:05
  love
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  to
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  present
• 5:06
  something
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  to
• 5:07
  her
• 5:08
  written
• 5:09
  about
• 5:09
  her,
• 5:09
  like,
• 5:10
  make
• 5:10
  that
• 5:10
  come
• 5:11
  to
• 5:11
  life
• 5:11
  for
• 5:11
  her.
• 5:11
  Honestly,
• 5:12
  just
• 5:12
  meant
• 5:12
  the
• 5:12
  world
• 5:13
  to
• 5:14
  hand
• 5:14
  over
• 5:14
  something
• 5:15
  that
• 5:15
  was
• 5:15
  inspired
• 5:16
  by
• 5:16
  her
• 5:16
  so
• 5:16
  she
• 5:17
  could
• 5:17
  read
• 5:17
  it.
• 5:17
  She
• 5:18
  loves
• 5:18
  it
• 5:18
  and
• 5:18
  it's
• 5:18
  great.
• 5:19
  That's
• 5:19
  terrific.
• 5:20
  Obviously,
• 5:20
  your
• 5:21
  daughter
• 5:21
  is
• 5:21
  the
• 5:22
  inspiration
• 5:22
  behind
• 5:23
  the
• 5:23
  book.
• 5:23
  I've
• 5:23
  talked
• 5:24
  to
• 5:24
  a
• 5:24
  lot
• 5:24
  of
• 5:25
  children's
• 5:25
  book
• 5:25
  authors
• 5:26
  who
• 5:26
  have
• 5:26
  been
• 5:26
  inspired
• 5:27
  by
• 5:27
  someone.
• 5:28
  How
• 5:29
  did
• 5:29
  you
• 5:29
  get
• 5:29
  started?
• 5:30
  Just
• 5:30
  because
• 5:30
  you
• 5:31
  had
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  passion
• 5:32
  and
• 5:32
  you
• 5:32
  thought,
• 5:32
  oh,
• 5:33
  wouldn't
• 5:33
  this
• 5:33
  be
• 5:33
  cool?
• 5:34
  A
• 5:34
  legacy
• 5:35
  for
• 5:35
  my
• 5:35
  daughter.
• 5:36
  But
• 5:36
  how
• 5:36
  did
• 5:37
  you
• 5:37
  have
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  ability
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  take
• 5:38
  action?
• 5:39
  What
• 5:39
  motivated
• 5:40
  you?
• 5:41
  Honestly,
• 5:42
  probably
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  biggest
• 5:42
  part.
• 5:43
  About
• 5:43
  two
• 5:43
  years
• 5:43
  ago,
• 5:44
  I
• 5:44
  ended
• 5:44
  up
• 5:44
  actually
• 5:44
  losing
• 5:45
  my
• 5:45
  tech
• 5:45
  job
• 5:46
  just
• 5:46
  right
• 5:46
  before
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  holidays.
• 5:47
  And
• 5:47
  it
• 5:47
  was
• 5:47
  something
• 5:48
  where,
• 5:48
  you
• 5:49
  know,
• 5:49
  and
• 5:49
  obviously
• 5:50
  with
• 5:50
  pluses
• 5:50
  and
• 5:50
  minuses,
• 5:51
  pluses,
• 5:51
  I
• 5:51
  was
• 5:52
  able
• 5:52
  to
• 5:52
  spend
• 5:52
  a
• 5:52
  lot
• 5:52
  more
• 5:52
  time
• 5:53
  with
• 5:53
  my
• 5:53
  daughter,
• 5:53
  which
• 5:53
  meant
• 5:54
  that
• 5:54
  I
• 5:54
  got
• 5:54
  to
• 5:55
  read
• 5:55
  a
• 5:55
  lot
• 5:55
  more
• 5:56
  books
• 5:56
  to
• 5:56
  her.
• 5:56
  And
• 5:57
  then
• 5:57
  during
• 5:57
  some
• 5:58
  of
• 5:58
  my
• 5:58
  free
• 5:58
  time
• 5:58
  when
• 5:58
  she's
• 5:59
  at
• 5:59
  daycare,
• 6:00
  I
• 6:00
  obviously,
• 6:01
  in
• 6:01
  between
• 6:01
  searching
• 6:02
  for
• 6:02
  jobs,
• 6:02
  I
• 6:02
  was
• 6:02
  thinking,
• 6:03
  what
• 6:03
  if
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  could
• 6:03
  maybe
• 6:04
  start
• 6:04
  actually
• 6:04
  utilizing
• 6:05
  some
• 6:05
  of
• 6:05
  these
• 6:05
  illustrations
• 6:06
  or
• 6:06
  maybe
• 6:06
  some
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  these
• 6:06
  other
• 6:07
  ideas
• 6:07
  I've
• 6:07
  had
• 6:07
  and
• 6:08
  just
• 6:09
  put
• 6:09
  them
• 6:09
  down,
• 6:09
  see
• 6:09
  if
• 6:09
  I
• 6:09
  can
• 6:10
  make
• 6:10
  this
• 6:10
  happen.
• 6:11
  I
• 6:11
  borrowed
• 6:11
  my
• 6:12
  wife's
• 6:12
  Chromebook
• 6:12
  and
• 6:13
  downloaded
• 6:14
  an
• 6:14
  app
• 6:14
  on
• 6:14
  something
• 6:15
  I
• 6:15
  can
• 6:15
  start
• 6:15
  just
• 6:15
  practicing
• 6:16
  drawing.
• 6:16
  And
• 6:17
  I
• 6:18
  started
• 6:18
  practicing.
• 6:19
  Gosh.
• 6:20
  For
• 6:20
  the
• 6:21
  next
• 6:22
  year,
• 6:23
  the
• 6:23
  full
• 6:23
  illustrations
• 6:24
  took
• 6:24
  me
• 6:24
  17
• 6:25
  months
• 6:25
  from
• 6:25
  start
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  finish.
• 6:26
  And
• 6:27
  a
• 6:27
  lot
• 6:27
  of
• 6:27
  it
• 6:28
  was
• 6:28
  just
• 6:28
  the
• 6:29
  inspiration
• 6:30
  that
• 6:30
  I
• 6:30
  would
• 6:30
  finish
• 6:31
  one
• 6:31
  page
• 6:32
  and
• 6:32
  show
• 6:33
  my
• 6:33
  daughter
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  character
• 6:33
  and
• 6:33
  she
• 6:34
  just
• 6:34
  love
• 6:34
  that.
• 6:35
  She
• 6:35
  just
• 6:35
  lit
• 6:36
  up.
• 6:36
  So
• 6:37
  was
• 6:37
  it
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  illustrations
• 6:38
  first
• 6:38
  and
• 6:39
  then
• 6:39
  the
• 6:39
  words
• 6:39
  came
• 6:40
  second?
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  guess
• 6:41
  technically
• 6:42
  I
• 6:42
  did
• 6:43
  write
• 6:43
  down.
• 6:43
  I
• 6:43
  wrote
• 6:44
  four
• 6:44
  manuscripts
• 6:44
  kind
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  right
• 6:45
  off
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  bat.
• 6:45
  Took
• 6:46
  about
• 6:46
  a
• 6:46
  month
• 6:46
  to
• 6:46
  think
• 6:47
  about
• 6:47
  it.
• 6:47
  All
• 6:48
  of
• 6:48
  my
• 6:48
  manuscripts
• 6:48
  are
• 6:49
  actually
• 6:49
  nicknames
• 6:50
  that
• 6:50
  I've
• 6:50
  given
• 6:50
  my
• 6:51
  daughter
• 6:51
  before
• 6:52
  in
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  past.
• 6:52
  And
• 6:53
  something
• 6:53
  obviously
• 6:54
  helped
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  inspiration
• 6:55
  wrote
• 6:55
  some
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  these
• 6:55
  manuscripts
• 6:56
  out.
• 6:56
  And
• 6:56
  then
• 6:57
  as
• 6:57
  I
• 6:57
  was
• 6:57
  going
• 6:58
  through
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  illustrations,
• 6:59
  I
• 6:59
  would
• 6:59
  start
• 6:59
  being
• 7:00
  like,
• 7:00
  oh,
• 7:00
  this
• 7:00
  illustration
• 7:01
  really
• 7:01
  makes
• 7:01
  more
• 7:02
  sense
• 7:02
  by
• 7:03
  worded
• 7:03
  it
• 7:03
  this
• 7:03
  way.
• 7:04
  And
• 7:04
  so
• 7:05
  soon
• 7:06
  enough
• 7:06
  it
• 7:06
  just.
• 7:06
  Everything
• 7:07
  was
• 7:07
  revolving
• 7:07
  for
• 7:08
  the
• 7:08
  next
• 7:09
  18
• 7:09
  months.
• 7:10
  Put
• 7:10
  her
• 7:10
  down
• 7:10
  for
• 7:10
  sleep
• 7:11
  and
• 7:11
  then
• 7:12
  at
• 7:12
  night
• 7:13
  I
• 7:13
  got
• 7:13
  another
• 7:13
  job.
• 7:14
  And
• 7:14
  so
• 7:15
  my
• 7:15
  days
• 7:15
  were
• 7:15
  busy
• 7:16
  after
• 7:16
  work
• 7:16
  was
• 7:17
  spending
• 7:17
  with
• 7:17
  my
• 7:17
  daughters.
• 7:18
  So
• 7:18
  the
• 7:18
  only
• 7:18
  time
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  really
• 7:19
  had
• 7:19
  would
• 7:19
  be
• 7:20
  evenings
• 7:20
  right
• 7:21
  after
• 7:21
  I'd
• 7:21
  put
• 7:21
  her
• 7:21
  down
• 7:21
  and
• 7:22
  would
• 7:22
  just
• 7:23
  draw
• 7:23
  until
• 7:23
  10,
• 7:24
  11
• 7:24
  o'
• 7:24
  clock
• 7:24
  at
• 7:24
  night
• 7:25
  until
• 7:25
  just
• 7:25
  get
• 7:26
  too
• 7:26
  tired
• 7:26
  and
• 7:26
  my
• 7:26
  illustrations
• 7:27
  would
• 7:27
  start
• 7:27
  looking
• 7:27
  too
• 7:28
  wonky.
• 7:28
  You
• 7:28
  mentioned
• 7:29
  you
• 7:29
  actually
• 7:31
  wrote
• 7:31
  out
• 7:32
  four
• 7:32
  different
• 7:32
  ideas
• 7:33
  for
• 7:33
  books
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  then
• 7:35
  were
• 7:35
  your
• 7:36
  illustrations
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  same
• 7:37
  thing
• 7:37
  too?
• 7:38
  You
• 7:38
  use
• 7:38
  the
• 7:38
  word
• 7:39
  wonky.
• 7:39
  Were
• 7:39
  your
• 7:40
  illustrations
• 7:41
  all
• 7:41
  over
• 7:41
  the
• 7:41
  place
• 7:42
  and
• 7:42
  then
• 7:42
  you
• 7:42
  started
• 7:43
  as
• 7:43
  assembling
• 7:44
  them
• 7:44
  into
• 7:46
  your
• 7:46
  current
• 7:46
  book?
• 7:47
  Bug
• 7:47
  Hug.
• 7:48
  Yes.
• 7:49
  So
• 7:49
  I,
• 7:49
  I
• 7:49
  saw
• 7:50
  it
• 7:50
  because
• 7:50
  I
• 7:50
  was
• 7:50
  brand
• 7:50
  new
• 7:51
  to
• 7:51
  this
• 7:51
  illustration
• 7:51
  tool.
• 7:52
  It's
• 7:52
  called
• 7:52
  Concepts.
• 7:53
  And
• 7:53
  anyways,
• 7:54
  I
• 7:54
  started,
• 7:55
  I'd
• 7:55
  be
• 7:55
  drawing,
• 7:56
  I'd
• 7:56
  be
• 7:56
  doing
• 7:56
  all
• 7:56
  this
• 7:56
  kind
• 7:56
  of
• 7:56
  stuff
• 7:57
  like
• 7:57
  that,
• 7:58
  and
• 7:58
  then
• 7:58
  I'd
• 7:58
  go
• 7:58
  into
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  next
• 7:59
  image
• 7:59
  and
• 7:59
  then
• 7:59
  I'd
• 7:59
  be
• 7:59
  like,
• 8:00
  oh,
• 8:00
  I
• 8:00
  could
• 8:00
  have
• 8:00
  made
• 8:00
  that
• 8:00
  first
• 8:01
  image
• 8:01
  even
• 8:01
  better.
• 8:02
  So
• 8:02
  I'd
• 8:02
  constantly
• 8:03
  just
• 8:03
  be
• 8:03
  going
• 8:03
  back
• 8:04
  to
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  first
• 8:04
  image
• 8:04
  and
• 8:05
  second
• 8:05
  image
• 8:05
  and
• 8:06
  yeah,
• 8:07
  so
• 8:07
  it
• 8:07
  was
• 8:07
  definitely
• 8:07
  one
• 8:08
  of
• 8:08
  these.
• 8:08
  Just
• 8:09
  consistently
• 8:10
  working
• 8:11
  on
• 8:11
  the
• 8:11
  illustrations,
• 8:12
  taking
• 8:13
  two
• 8:13
  steps
• 8:13
  forward,
• 8:14
  then
• 8:14
  one
• 8:14
  step
• 8:14
  back,
• 8:15
  and
• 8:15
  then
• 8:15
  just
• 8:15
  constantly
• 8:16
  because
• 8:16
  all
• 8:16
  of
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  sudden
• 8:17
  you
• 8:17
  get
• 8:17
  to
• 8:17
  three,
• 8:18
  four
• 8:18
  pages
• 8:18
  later
• 8:19
  and
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  character
• 8:20
  looks
• 8:21
  different
• 8:21
  than
• 8:22
  page
• 8:22
  four,
• 8:22
  than
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  page
• 8:23
  one.
• 8:23
  So
• 8:23
  I
• 8:23
  was
• 8:24
  like,
• 8:24
  I
• 8:24
  should
• 8:24
  probably
• 8:24
  fix
• 8:25
  that
• 8:25
  so
• 8:25
  it
• 8:25
  all
• 8:25
  makes
• 8:25
  sense
• 8:26
  together.
• 8:27
  Yeah.
• 8:27
  I've
• 8:27
  talked
• 8:27
  to
• 8:28
  children's
• 8:28
  book
• 8:28
  authors
• 8:29
  who
• 8:30
  tried
• 8:30
  to
• 8:31
  stay
• 8:31
  with
• 8:31
  one
• 8:31
  illustrator
• 8:32
  and
• 8:34
  depending
• 8:34
  on
• 8:34
  what
• 8:35
  happened,
• 8:35
  sometimes
• 8:35
  the
• 8:36
  illustrator
• 8:37
  just
• 8:38
  disappeared.
• 8:39
  And
• 8:39
  then
• 8:40
  they
• 8:40
  wrote
• 8:40
  their
• 8:40
  second
• 8:41
  book
• 8:41
  and
• 8:41
  it
• 8:41
  was
• 8:42
  with
• 8:42
  the
• 8:42
  same
• 8:42
  characters.
• 8:43
  And
• 8:44
  then
• 8:44
  they
• 8:44
  were
• 8:44
  hoping
• 8:44
  they
• 8:45
  could
• 8:45
  find
• 8:45
  an
• 8:45
  illustrator
• 8:46
  that
• 8:46
  could
• 8:46
  actually
• 8:47
  capture
• 8:48
  those
• 8:48
  images
• 8:49
  and
• 8:49
  keep
• 8:50
  it
• 8:50
  feeling
• 8:50
  the
• 8:51
  same.
• 8:51
  And
• 8:52
  it's
• 8:52
  interesting
• 8:52
  for
• 8:53
  you
• 8:53
  to
• 8:53
  tell
• 8:53
  us
• 8:53
  this
• 8:54
  story
• 8:54
  where
• 8:54
  you're
• 8:55
  doing
• 8:55
  the
• 8:55
  illustrations
• 8:56
  within
• 8:56
  the
• 8:57
  same
• 8:57
  book
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  five
• 8:59
  or
• 8:59
  six
• 8:59
  illustrations
• 9:00
  in
• 9:00
  the
• 9:00
  characters
• 9:01
  looking
• 9:01
  a
• 9:01
  little
• 9:01
  different
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  actually
• 9:02
  bring
• 9:03
  come
• 9:03
  back
• 9:04
  to
• 9:04
  that.
• 9:04
  So
• 9:04
  talk
• 9:05
  to
• 9:05
  us
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  little
• 9:05
  bit
• 9:05
  more
• 9:06
  about
• 9:06
  that.
• 9:06
  How
• 9:06
  did
• 9:07
  you
• 9:07
  bring
• 9:07
  yourself
• 9:08
  back
• 9:08
  to
• 9:09
  getting,
• 9:09
  I
• 9:09
  think
• 9:10
  you
• 9:10
  call
• 9:10
  it,
• 9:11
  the
• 9:11
  main
• 9:11
  character
• 9:11
  in
• 9:12
  your
• 9:12
  book
• 9:12
  is
• 9:12
  Small
• 9:13
  Bug.
• 9:13
  How
• 9:13
  did
• 9:13
  you
• 9:14
  make
• 9:14
  sure
• 9:14
  that
• 9:14
  you
• 9:14
  had
• 9:15
  consistency
• 9:16
  in
• 9:16
  the
• 9:16
  look
• 9:16
  of
• 9:16
  Small
• 9:17
  Bug?
• 9:18
  Honestly,
• 9:19
  I
• 9:19
  think
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  biggest
• 9:19
  thing
• 9:19
  was,
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  know
• 9:20
  obviously
• 9:21
  like
• 9:21
  character
• 9:21
  consistency
• 9:22
  looking
• 9:22
  at
• 9:23
  on
• 9:23
  some
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  these
• 9:23
  Facebook
• 9:24
  groups
• 9:24
  or
• 9:24
  some
• 9:25
  of
• 9:25
  these
• 9:25
  other
• 9:25
  kind
• 9:25
  of
• 9:25
  online
• 9:26
  groups.
• 9:26
  That
• 9:27
  consistency
• 9:27
  is
• 9:28
  such
• 9:28
  a
• 9:28
  huge
• 9:28
  factor
• 9:29
  when
• 9:29
  it
• 9:29
  comes
• 9:29
  to
• 9:29
  these
• 9:29
  books.
• 9:30
  And
• 9:30
  then
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  guess
• 9:30
  also,
• 9:30
  I
• 9:31
  should
• 9:31
  say
• 9:31
  another
• 9:31
  big
• 9:31
  factor.
• 9:32
  Something
• 9:32
  that
• 9:32
  I
• 9:32
  learned,
• 9:32
  too,
• 9:33
  is
• 9:33
  obviously,
• 9:33
  when
• 9:33
  you
• 9:33
  get
• 9:33
  to
• 9:33
  the
• 9:34
  printing
• 9:34
  status
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  it,
• 9:35
  you
• 9:35
  need
• 9:35
  to
• 9:36
  run
• 9:36
  it
• 9:36
  through
• 9:37
  Adobe
• 9:37
  InDesign
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  making
• 9:39
  sure
• 9:39
  that
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  pixels
• 9:40
  are
• 9:40
  correct.
• 9:40
  And
• 9:40
  so
• 9:41
  some
• 9:41
  of
• 9:42
  my
• 9:42
  images
• 9:42
  from
• 9:43
  page
• 9:43
  one,
• 9:44
  in
• 9:44
  retrospect,
• 9:45
  were
• 9:45
  these
• 9:45
  just
• 9:46
  massive
• 9:47
  behemoth,
• 9:48
  just
• 9:48
  big
• 9:49
  pictures
• 9:49
  of
• 9:49
  different
• 9:49
  things
• 9:50
  that
• 9:50
  were
• 9:50
  just
• 9:50
  filled
• 9:51
  with
• 9:51
  pixels.
• 9:53
  At
• 9:53
  the
• 9:53
  end
• 9:53
  of
• 9:53
  the
• 9:53
  day,
• 9:54
  when
• 9:54
  I
• 9:54
  would
• 9:54
  go
• 9:54
  to
• 9:54
  print
• 9:55
  that,
• 9:55
  it
• 9:55
  would
• 9:55
  show,
• 9:56
  you
• 9:56
  know,
• 9:56
  it'd
• 9:57
  be
• 9:57
  a
• 9:57
  lot
• 9:57
  more
• 9:57
  kind
• 9:57
  of
• 9:57
  pixelated.
• 9:58
  So
• 9:58
  I
• 9:58
  would
• 9:58
  almost
• 9:58
  have
• 9:59
  to
• 9:59
  then
• 9:59
  reconfigure
• 9:59
  the
• 10:00
  entire
• 10:00
  thing
• 10:00
  so
• 10:00
  it's
• 10:01
  not
• 10:01
  only
• 10:01
  just
• 10:01
  like
• 10:01
  the.
• 10:02
  The
• 10:02
  character,
• 10:02
  but
• 10:02
  it's
• 10:03
  also
• 10:04
  getting
• 10:04
  everything
• 10:05
  to
• 10:05
  the
• 10:05
  print
• 10:05
  quality
• 10:07
  so
• 10:07
  that
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  could
• 10:07
  send
• 10:08
  it
• 10:08
  off
• 10:08
  to
• 10:08
  the
• 10:08
  offset
• 10:09
  printer
• 10:09
  when
• 10:09
  it
• 10:09
  came
• 10:09
  to
• 10:10
  basically
• 10:10
  the
• 10:10
  character
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  was
• 10:11
  learning
• 10:11
  to.
• 10:12
  Right
• 10:12
  now
• 10:12
  I'm
• 10:12
  actually
• 10:12
  illustrating
• 10:13
  my
• 10:13
  second
• 10:13
  book
• 10:14
  now.
• 10:14
  Something
• 10:14
  outside
• 10:15
  of
• 10:15
  Bug
• 10:15
  Hug,
• 10:15
  but
• 10:16
  as
• 10:16
  on
• 10:16
  the
• 10:17
  same
• 10:17
  kind
• 10:17
  of
• 10:17
  thing
• 10:17
  is
• 10:17
  it's
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  different
• 10:18
  character.
• 10:18
  So
• 10:19
  it's
• 10:19
  an
• 10:19
  elephant
• 10:19
  now.
• 10:19
  And
• 10:20
  as
• 10:20
  I'm
• 10:21
  now
• 10:21
  I
• 10:21
  think
• 10:21
  I'm
• 10:22
  on
• 10:22
  illustration
• 10:22
  page
• 10:23
  16
• 10:23
  right
• 10:24
  now.
• 10:24
  And
• 10:25
  I
• 10:26
  knew
• 10:26
  that
• 10:26
  this
• 10:27
  character
• 10:27
  development
• 10:27
  is
• 10:27
  definitely
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  thing,
• 10:28
  but
• 10:28
  I
• 10:29
  thought
• 10:29
  I
• 10:29
  was
• 10:29
  gonna
• 10:29
  have
• 10:29
  it
• 10:29
  figured
• 10:30
  out
• 10:30
  by
• 10:30
  book
• 10:30
  two.
• 10:31
  And
• 10:31
  I
• 10:31
  still
• 10:31
  find
• 10:32
  myself
• 10:32
  now
• 10:33
  going
• 10:33
  back
• 10:33
  to
• 10:33
  page
• 10:34
  one,
• 10:34
  going
• 10:34
  back
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  page
• 10:35
  two,
• 10:35
  and
• 10:35
  doing
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  different
• 10:36
  techniques,
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  shadings,
• 10:38
  the
• 10:38
  different
• 10:39
  backgrounds,
• 10:40
  to
• 10:40
  make
• 10:40
  everything
• 10:41
  a
• 10:41
  little
• 10:41
  bit
• 10:41
  more
• 10:41
  kind
• 10:41
  of
• 10:42
  consistent.
• 10:42
  So
• 10:42
  then
• 10:42
  you're
• 10:43
  not
• 10:43
  reading
• 10:44
  the
• 10:44
  book,
• 10:44
  and
• 10:44
  you're
• 10:44
  like,
• 10:45
  what's
• 10:46
  happening
• 10:46
  with
• 10:46
  character
• 10:47
  right
• 10:47
  now?
• 10:47
  Aging
• 10:48
  overnight
• 10:49
  or.
• 10:49
  Yeah,
• 10:49
  exactly.
• 10:50
  Yeah.
• 10:51
  And
• 10:51
  it's
• 10:51
  interesting
• 10:52
  you
• 10:52
  should
• 10:52
  say
• 10:53
  that
• 10:53
  because
• 10:53
  I.
• 10:53
  We
• 10:54
  have
• 10:54
  two
• 10:54
  children's
• 10:55
  books
• 10:55
  in
• 10:56
  our
• 10:56
  book
• 10:56
  series
• 10:57
  called
• 10:57
  the
• 10:57
  Adventures
• 10:58
  of
• 10:58
  Caboose
• 10:58
  the
• 10:58
  Rocky
• 10:59
  Mountain
• 10:59
  Bear.
• 11:00
  What's
• 11:00
  interesting
• 11:01
  is
• 11:01
  that
• 11:02
  our.
• 11:03
  And
• 11:03
  I'll
• 11:03
  just
• 11:03
  show
• 11:04
  you.
• 11:04
  The
• 11:04
  audience
• 11:04
  can't
• 11:05
  see
• 11:05
  this,
• 11:05
  but
• 11:06
  that's
• 11:06
  our
• 11:07
  main
• 11:07
  character.
• 11:08
  And
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  went
• 11:09
  back
• 11:09
  to
• 11:09
  our
• 11:10
  illustrator,
• 11:10
  and
• 11:11
  I
• 11:11
  wanted
• 11:11
  to
• 11:11
  have
• 11:12
  a
• 11:12
  logo
• 11:13
  design
• 11:14
  that
• 11:14
  I
• 11:14
  could
• 11:14
  put
• 11:14
  on
• 11:14
  a
• 11:15
  T
• 11:15
  shirt.
• 11:16
  And
• 11:16
  so
• 11:16
  I
• 11:16
  asked
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  illustrator
• 11:18
  if
• 11:18
  he
• 11:18
  could
• 11:18
  design
• 11:19
  one,
• 11:19
  and
• 11:20
  he
• 11:20
  came
• 11:20
  back
• 11:20
  to
• 11:20
  me,
• 11:21
  and
• 11:21
  Caboose
• 11:22
  looked
• 11:23
  like
• 11:23
  a
• 11:23
  teenager.
• 11:24
  Now,
• 11:24
  you
• 11:25
  might
• 11:25
  say,
• 11:25
  what
• 11:25
  do
• 11:26
  you
• 11:26
  mean?
• 11:26
  But
• 11:26
  you
• 11:26
  know
• 11:26
  what?
• 11:28
  You
• 11:28
  can
• 11:28
  tell
• 11:28
  with
• 11:29
  your
• 11:29
  character.
• 11:30
  And
• 11:30
  so
• 11:30
  I
• 11:31
  had
• 11:31
  to
• 11:31
  go
• 11:31
  back
• 11:31
  to
• 11:32
  him
• 11:32
  and
• 11:32
  say,
• 11:32
  you
• 11:33
  aged
• 11:33
  my
• 11:33
  character.
• 11:34
  And
• 11:35
  it
• 11:35
  took
• 11:35
  a
• 11:36
  couple
• 11:36
  of
• 11:36
  times,
• 11:36
  but
• 11:36
  he
• 11:37
  finally
• 11:37
  caught
• 11:37
  on,
• 11:38
  and
• 11:38
  he
• 11:38
  said,
• 11:38
  you're
• 11:39
  absolutely
• 11:39
  right.
• 11:40
  I
• 11:40
  can
• 11:40
  see
• 11:41
  what
• 11:41
  you're
• 11:41
  saying.
• 11:41
  So
• 11:42
  eventually
• 11:43
  he
• 11:43
  came
• 11:44
  back,
• 11:44
  and
• 11:44
  we
• 11:44
  were
• 11:45
  able
• 11:45
  to
• 11:45
  agree
• 11:46
  on
• 11:47
  this
• 11:47
  logo
• 11:48
  that
• 11:48
  captured
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  age
• 11:50
  of
• 11:50
  our
• 11:50
  character.
• 11:51
  And
• 11:51
  of
• 11:51
  course,
• 11:52
  Caboose
• 11:52
  in
• 11:52
  our
• 11:53
  books
• 11:54
  at
• 11:54
  this
• 11:54
  point
• 11:54
  will
• 11:55
  never
• 11:55
  age.
• 11:55
  She'll
• 11:56
  stay
• 11:56
  around
• 11:56
  the
• 11:56
  same
• 11:57
  age
• 11:57
  for
• 11:58
  the
• 11:58
  entire
• 11:59
  book
• 11:59
  series.
• 12:00
  So
• 12:00
  it's
• 12:01
  interesting
• 12:01
  what
• 12:01
  you're
• 12:01
  talking
• 12:02
  about.
• 12:02
  I
• 12:02
  appreciate
• 12:03
  you
• 12:03
  sharing
• 12:03
  that
• 12:04
  with
• 12:05
  us.
• 12:05
  I'm
• 12:05
  also
• 12:06
  interested,
• 12:06
  and
• 12:06
  it's
• 12:07
  funny
• 12:07
  because
• 12:08
  it
• 12:08
  would
• 12:08
  have
• 12:08
  been
• 12:08
  one
• 12:08
  of
• 12:09
  my
• 12:09
  questions
• 12:09
  coming
• 12:10
  up.
• 12:10
  But
• 12:10
  now
• 12:11
  that
• 12:11
  you've
• 12:11
  mentioned
• 12:11
  it,
• 12:11
  you're
• 12:12
  talking
• 12:12
  about
• 12:12
  doing
• 12:13
  your
• 12:13
  second
• 12:13
  book.
• 12:13
  And
• 12:14
  I
• 12:14
  find
• 12:15
  most
• 12:15
  of
• 12:15
  the
• 12:16
  children's
• 12:16
  book
• 12:17
  authors
• 12:17
  that
• 12:18
  I've
• 12:18
  talked
• 12:18
  to,
• 12:20
  once
• 12:20
  they've
• 12:20
  published
• 12:21
  one,
• 12:22
  they
• 12:22
  definitely
• 12:23
  have
• 12:23
  a
• 12:23
  second
• 12:23
  or
• 12:23
  third
• 12:24
  book
• 12:24
  that
• 12:24
  they
• 12:24
  want
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  bring
• 12:25
  into
• 12:25
  the
• 12:26
  world.
• 12:26
  I'm
• 12:26
  interested
• 12:27
  in
• 12:28
  finding
• 12:28
  out
• 12:28
  from
• 12:29
  you
• 12:29
  is
• 12:30
  do
• 12:30
  you
• 12:30
  have
• 12:30
  a
• 12:31
  children's
• 12:31
  book
• 12:32
  business
• 12:32
  plan?
• 12:32
  What's
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  plan
• 12:33
  behind
• 12:34
  all
• 12:35
  of
• 12:35
  this
• 12:35
  work
• 12:35
  that
• 12:35
  you're
• 12:36
  putting
• 12:36
  into
• 12:36
  your
• 12:37
  books?
• 12:38
  Definitely,
• 12:38
  I
• 12:39
  don't
• 12:39
  think
• 12:39
  I
• 12:39
  have
• 12:39
  really
• 12:39
  quite
• 12:40
  a
• 12:40
  concrete
• 12:41
  plan.
• 12:41
  Like
• 12:41
  I
• 12:41
  said,
• 12:41
  when
• 12:42
  I
• 12:42
  first
• 12:42
  wrote
• 12:42
  out
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  four
• 12:43
  manuscripts,
• 12:43
  I
• 12:44
  thought,
• 12:44
  for
• 12:44
  sure
• 12:44
  I'm
• 12:44
  going
• 12:45
  to
• 12:45
  do
• 12:45
  these
• 12:46
  four
• 12:46
  books
• 12:46
  and
• 12:46
  make
• 12:47
  those
• 12:47
  happen
• 12:47
  from
• 12:47
  there.
• 12:48
  Each
• 12:48
  four
• 12:49
  manuscripts
• 12:49
  are
• 12:50
  different
• 12:50
  from
• 12:50
  the
• 12:51
  other
• 12:51
  ones.
• 12:51
  So
• 12:52
  definitely
• 12:52
  it
• 12:52
  was
• 12:53
  just
• 12:53
  going
• 12:53
  to
• 12:53
  do
• 12:53
  a
• 12:53
  little
• 12:53
  bit
• 12:53
  more
• 12:54
  widespread
• 12:54
  variety
• 12:55
  of
• 12:55
  it.
• 12:56
  Obviously,
• 12:56
  Bug
• 12:57
  Hug
• 12:57
  was
• 12:58
  fantastic
• 12:58
  and
• 12:58
  it
• 12:59
  was
• 12:59
  great.
• 12:59
  And
• 12:59
  then
• 13:00
  while
• 13:01
  I
• 13:02
  just
• 13:02
  released
• 13:02
  that
• 13:03
  one,
• 13:03
  actually
• 13:03
  then
• 13:04
  caught
• 13:05
  attention
• 13:05
  onto
• 13:05
  a
• 13:06
  children's
• 13:06
  therapy
• 13:07
  company
• 13:07
  who
• 13:08
  they
• 13:09
  developed
• 13:09
  basically
• 13:10
  a
• 13:10
  kid's
• 13:11
  feelings
• 13:11
  wheel.
• 13:12
  Kids
• 13:12
  during
• 13:13
  therapy.
• 13:13
  Obviously,
• 13:14
  kids
• 13:14
  might
• 13:15
  not
• 13:15
  know
• 13:15
  the
• 13:15
  word
• 13:15
  anxiety
• 13:16
  or
• 13:16
  depression
• 13:17
  or
• 13:18
  excitement
• 13:18
  or
• 13:19
  whatever
• 13:19
  have
• 13:19
  you,
• 13:20
  but
• 13:20
  they
• 13:21
  can
• 13:21
  help
• 13:21
  describe
• 13:21
  the
• 13:21
  feeling
• 13:22
  as
• 13:22
  feeling
• 13:22
  wiggly
• 13:23
  or
• 13:23
  feeling
• 13:24
  kind
• 13:24
  of
• 13:24
  jittery
• 13:25
  or
• 13:25
  frozen
• 13:26
  or
• 13:26
  something
• 13:26
  like
• 13:27
  that.
• 13:28
  So
• 13:28
  this
• 13:28
  wheel
• 13:28
  can
• 13:28
  help
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  kid
• 13:30
  describe
• 13:30
  how
• 13:30
  they're
• 13:31
  feeling
• 13:31
  and
• 13:31
  then
• 13:32
  help
• 13:32
  the
• 13:32
  therapist.
• 13:33
  So
• 13:34
  talking
• 13:34
  with
• 13:34
  this
• 13:35
  children's
• 13:35
  therapy
• 13:36
  company,
• 13:36
  they
• 13:37
  loved
• 13:37
  bughug.
• 13:38
  They
• 13:38
  loved
• 13:38
  just
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  premise
• 13:39
  of
• 13:39
  it,
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  warm
• 13:40
  feelings
• 13:40
  behind
• 13:40
  it.
• 13:41
  So
• 13:41
  then
• 13:42
  they
• 13:42
  wanted
• 13:43
  me
• 13:43
  to
• 13:43
  develop
• 13:44
  a
• 13:44
  book
• 13:44
  that
• 13:45
  we
• 13:45
  can
• 13:45
  partner
• 13:45
  together
• 13:46
  with
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  kids
• 13:46
  wheel,
• 13:47
  create
• 13:48
  a
• 13:48
  manuscript,
• 13:48
  create
• 13:49
  full
• 13:49
  picture
• 13:49
  book,
• 13:50
  couple
• 13:50
  them
• 13:50
  together
• 13:50
  and
• 13:51
  sell
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  therapists
• 13:52
  across
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  country.
• 13:53
  And
• 13:53
  that
• 13:53
  obviously
• 13:54
  then
• 13:54
  started
• 13:55
  to
• 13:55
  transcend
• 13:56
  to
• 13:56
  like,
• 13:56
  all
• 13:56
  right,
• 13:56
  I'm
• 13:57
  going
• 13:57
  to
• 13:57
  jump
• 13:57
  into
• 13:57
  this.
• 13:58
  I'm
• 13:58
  going
• 13:58
  to
• 13:59
  really
• 13:59
  do
• 14:00
  this.
• 14:00
  And
• 14:00
  on
• 14:00
  a
• 14:01
  side
• 14:01
  note,
• 14:01
  my
• 14:01
  original
• 14:02
  degree
• 14:03
  and
• 14:03
  everything
• 14:03
  was
• 14:04
  in
• 14:04
  psychology.
• 14:04
  I
• 14:05
  really
• 14:05
  wanted
• 14:05
  to
• 14:05
  get
• 14:05
  into
• 14:06
  therapy.
• 14:06
  Ended
• 14:07
  up
• 14:07
  going
• 14:07
  towards
• 14:07
  marketing
• 14:08
  around
• 14:08
  still
• 14:08
  working
• 14:09
  with
• 14:09
  people.
• 14:09
  But
• 14:10
  regardless,
• 14:10
  though,
• 14:11
  this
• 14:11
  kind
• 14:11
  of
• 14:11
  therapy
• 14:12
  business,
• 14:13
  I
• 14:13
  was
• 14:13
  going
• 14:13
  with
• 14:13
  the
• 14:14
  flow.
• 14:14
  And
• 14:14
  so
• 14:15
  when
• 14:15
  it
• 14:15
  comes
• 14:15
  to
• 14:16
  this
• 14:16
  plan,
• 14:17
  obviously
• 14:17
  I
• 14:17
  had
• 14:17
  this
• 14:17
  plan
• 14:18
  to
• 14:19
  illustrate
• 14:19
  my
• 14:19
  four
• 14:19
  manuscripts
• 14:20
  to
• 14:20
  really
• 14:20
  bring
• 14:21
  these
• 14:21
  to
• 14:21
  life.
• 14:21
  But
• 14:22
  now
• 14:22
  with
• 14:22
  this
• 14:22
  therapy
• 14:23
  company
• 14:23
  and
• 14:23
  this
• 14:24
  product,
• 14:24
  really,
• 14:25
  I
• 14:25
  guess,
• 14:25
  yeah,
• 14:26
  Showcasing
• 14:26
  a
• 14:26
  little
• 14:27
  bit
• 14:27
  more
• 14:27
  of
• 14:27
  my
• 14:27
  prior
• 14:28
  experience
• 14:28
  with
• 14:29
  psychology.
• 14:29
  I
• 14:30
  was
• 14:30
  like,
• 14:30
  this
• 14:31
  now
• 14:31
  sounds
• 14:31
  my
• 14:31
  next
• 14:32
  calling.
• 14:33
  So
• 14:34
  that's
• 14:34
  in
• 14:35
  the
• 14:35
  works
• 14:35
  right
• 14:35
  now.
• 14:35
  So
• 14:35
  that's
• 14:36
  your
• 14:36
  next
• 14:36
  book?
• 14:38
  Yeah.
• 14:38
  So
• 14:38
  I'm
• 14:38
  about
• 14:39
  three
• 14:39
  fourths
• 14:40
  of
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  way
• 14:40
  done
• 14:40
  with
• 14:40
  illustrations.
• 14:41
  Manuscript
• 14:42
  is
• 14:42
  done.
• 14:43
  Their
• 14:43
  kids
• 14:43
  wheel
• 14:44
  has
• 14:44
  launched.
• 14:45
  So
• 14:45
  they
• 14:45
  have
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  product
• 14:46
  right
• 14:46
  now.
• 14:47
  And
• 14:48
  right
• 14:48
  now
• 14:48
  just
• 14:48
  basically
• 14:49
  I'm
• 14:50
  finishing
• 14:50
  up
• 14:50
  illustrations,
• 14:51
  gonna
• 14:51
  go
• 14:51
  through
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  whole
• 14:52
  editing
• 14:52
  process
• 14:52
  basically
• 14:53
  to
• 14:53
  make
• 14:53
  sure
• 14:53
  that
• 14:53
  it's
• 14:55
  good
• 14:55
  on
• 14:55
  both
• 14:55
  ends.
• 14:55
  But
• 14:56
  because
• 14:57
  also
• 14:58
  BUGH
• 14:58
  has
• 14:59
  been
• 14:59
  doing
• 15:00
  pretty
• 15:00
  well,
• 15:01
  I've
• 15:01
  gotten
• 15:01
  a
• 15:01
  lot
• 15:01
  of
• 15:01
  them
• 15:02
  requests
• 15:02
  to
• 15:02
  almost
• 15:03
  enhance,
• 15:03
  just
• 15:04
  kind
• 15:04
  of
• 15:04
  like
• 15:04
  exactly.
• 15:05
  Caboose
• 15:06
  to
• 15:06
  enhance
• 15:06
  on
• 15:06
  that.
• 15:07
  To
• 15:07
  write
• 15:07
  more
• 15:08
  books
• 15:09
  about
• 15:09
  that
• 15:09
  same
• 15:09
  character
• 15:10
  and
• 15:10
  kind
• 15:11
  of
• 15:11
  start
• 15:11
  creating
• 15:12
  a
• 15:12
  little
• 15:12
  more
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  that.
• 15:12
  Following
• 15:13
  my
• 15:13
  plan
• 15:13
  after
• 15:14
  this
• 15:14
  is
• 15:15
  see
• 15:16
  where
• 15:16
  this
• 15:16
  fork
• 15:16
  in
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  road
• 15:17
  goes,
• 15:17
  where
• 15:17
  I
• 15:17
  have
• 15:18
  this
• 15:18
  therapy
• 15:19
  side
• 15:19
  of
• 15:19
  it
• 15:20
  and
• 15:20
  I'm
• 15:20
  going
• 15:20
  to
• 15:20
  have
• 15:20
  bug
• 15:20
  hug
• 15:21
  and
• 15:21
  just
• 15:22
  chase
• 15:22
  both
• 15:23
  dreams,
• 15:23
  see
• 15:23
  which
• 15:24
  one
• 15:24
  kind
• 15:24
  of
• 15:24
  starts
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  come
• 15:26
  to
• 15:26
  fruition.
• 15:26
  And
• 15:27
  yeah,
• 15:28
  just
• 15:28
  make
• 15:28
  that
• 15:28
  happen.
• 15:29
  Terrific.
• 15:30
  And
• 15:31
  for
• 15:31
  those
• 15:31
  listening,
• 15:32
  Jake's
• 15:33
  first
• 15:33
  book,
• 15:33
  Bug
• 15:34
  Hug,
• 15:34
  is
• 15:35
  actually
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  board
• 15:36
  book.
• 15:36
  And
• 15:37
  so
• 15:37
  you
• 15:37
  have
• 15:37
  two
• 15:38
  formats.
• 15:38
  You
• 15:38
  have
• 15:38
  the
• 15:39
  board
• 15:39
  book
• 15:39
  and
• 15:39
  you
• 15:40
  also
• 15:40
  have
• 15:41
  the
• 15:41
  E
• 15:41
  book.
• 15:41
  And
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  just
• 15:42
  want
• 15:42
  to
• 15:42
  let
• 15:42
  the
• 15:43
  audience
• 15:43
  know
• 15:44
  and
• 15:44
  Jake
• 15:44
  know
• 15:45
  that
• 15:45
  I
• 15:46
  got
• 15:46
  your
• 15:46
  book.
• 15:47
  It's
• 15:47
  a
• 15:47
  E
• 15:48
  book.
• 15:48
  What
• 15:49
  ended
• 15:49
  up
• 15:49
  happening?
• 15:50
  There's
• 15:50
  bug
• 15:51
  hug
• 15:51
  on
• 15:51
  my
• 15:51
  iPad.
• 15:52
  So
• 15:52
  it's.
• 15:53
  Yeah,
• 15:53
  it's
• 15:53
  cool.
• 15:54
  It's
• 15:54
  very
• 15:55
  vibrant,
• 15:55
  lots
• 15:56
  of
• 15:56
  colors
• 15:56
  and
• 15:57
  it's
• 15:57
  fun.
• 15:58
  You're
• 15:58
  actually
• 15:59
  my
• 15:59
  first
• 15:59
  guest
• 16:00
  and
• 16:00
  I've
• 16:00
  NOW
• 16:00
  interviewed
• 16:01
  over
• 16:01
  60
• 16:01
  children's
• 16:02
  book
• 16:02
  authors.
• 16:03
  You're
• 16:03
  my
• 16:03
  first
• 16:04
  guest
• 16:04
  that's
• 16:05
  ever
• 16:05
  done
• 16:05
  a
• 16:05
  children's
• 16:07
  board
• 16:07
  book.
• 16:08
  So
• 16:08
  tell
• 16:09
  us
• 16:09
  about
• 16:09
  that
• 16:09
  format.
• 16:10
  Why
• 16:11
  did
• 16:11
  you
• 16:11
  go
• 16:11
  that
• 16:12
  way?
• 16:12
  I'm
• 16:13
  sure
• 16:13
  there's
• 16:13
  people
• 16:14
  out
• 16:14
  there
• 16:14
  listening,
• 16:15
  wanting
• 16:15
  to
• 16:16
  know,
• 16:16
  okay,
• 16:16
  how
• 16:16
  do
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  do
• 16:17
  this
• 16:18
  100%.
• 16:19
  And
• 16:19
  honestly,
• 16:19
  this
• 16:19
  is
• 16:20
  one
• 16:20
  of
• 16:20
  the
• 16:20
  things
• 16:20
  I
• 16:20
  always
• 16:20
  love
• 16:21
  talking
• 16:21
  a
• 16:21
  little
• 16:21
  bit
• 16:21
  more
• 16:21
  on
• 16:22
  probably
• 16:22
  the
• 16:23
  most,
• 16:23
  just
• 16:23
  because
• 16:24
  it
• 16:24
  is
• 16:24
  a
• 16:24
  little
• 16:24
  bit
• 16:24
  different
• 16:25
  than
• 16:25
  the
• 16:26
  print
• 16:26
  on
• 16:26
  demand
• 16:27
  route.
• 16:27
  And
• 16:27
  through
• 16:27
  a
• 16:28
  lot
• 16:28
  of
• 16:28
  these
• 16:28
  different
• 16:28
  kind
• 16:28
  of
• 16:28
  Facebook
• 16:29
  groups
• 16:29
  and
• 16:30
  different
• 16:30
  online
• 16:30
  groups.
• 16:31
  I
• 16:31
  always
• 16:32
  love
• 16:32
  talking
• 16:33
  to
• 16:33
  people
• 16:33
  about
• 16:33
  this
• 16:34
  because
• 16:34
  I
• 16:34
  presented
• 16:35
  having
• 16:35
  a
• 16:35
  board
• 16:35
  book
• 16:36
  which
• 16:36
  actually
• 16:36
  have
• 16:37
  it
• 16:37
  right
• 16:38
  here.
• 16:39
  Beautiful
• 16:39
  board
• 16:40
  book
• 16:40
  effect
• 16:40
  and
• 16:40
  everything
• 16:41
  like
• 16:41
  that.
• 16:41
  But
• 16:43
  so
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  guess,
• 16:43
  yeah,
• 16:44
  so
• 16:44
  to
• 16:44
  back
• 16:44
  up,
• 16:44
  you
• 16:45
  know,
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  wrote
• 16:45
  this
• 16:45
  book
• 16:45
  for
• 16:46
  my
• 16:46
  daughter
• 16:46
  and
• 16:47
  when
• 16:47
  I
• 16:47
  first
• 16:47
  started
• 16:48
  this
• 16:48
  book,
• 16:48
  she
• 16:48
  was
• 16:48
  two.
• 16:49
  And
• 16:49
  obviously
• 16:49
  for
• 16:50
  two
• 16:50
  year
• 16:50
  olds,
• 16:50
  paper
• 16:51
  pages,
• 16:52
  stuff
• 16:52
  like
• 16:52
  that
• 16:52
  just
• 16:53
  easily
• 16:53
  rip.
• 16:54
  I
• 16:54
  knew
• 16:54
  I
• 16:54
  wanted
• 16:55
  to
• 16:55
  go
• 16:55
  down
• 16:55
  the
• 16:55
  board
• 16:55
  book
• 16:56
  route.
• 16:57
  Now
• 16:57
  the
• 16:57
  board
• 16:58
  book
• 16:58
  route
• 16:58
  is
• 16:58
  definitely,
• 17:00
  I
• 17:01
  guess,
• 17:01
  not
• 17:02
  as
• 17:03
  favorable
• 17:03
  when
• 17:03
  it
• 17:04
  Comes
• 17:04
  to
• 17:04
  the
• 17:04
  distribution
• 17:06
  side,
• 17:06
  when
• 17:06
  it
• 17:06
  comes
• 17:06
  to
• 17:06
  printing,
• 17:07
  it's
• 17:07
  a
• 17:08
  little
• 17:08
  bit
• 17:08
  more
• 17:08
  of
• 17:08
  a
• 17:08
  risk,
• 17:09
  obviously,
• 17:09
  because
• 17:11
  you
• 17:11
  have
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  two
• 17:11
  different
• 17:12
  routes.
• 17:12
  You
• 17:12
  have
• 17:12
  print
• 17:13
  on
• 17:13
  demand,
• 17:13
  you
• 17:13
  have
• 17:13
  pod,
• 17:14
  and
• 17:14
  you
• 17:14
  have
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  offset
• 17:15
  printing,
• 17:15
  which
• 17:16
  you
• 17:16
  have
• 17:16
  to
• 17:16
  go
• 17:16
  through
• 17:16
  a
• 17:16
  third
• 17:17
  party
• 17:17
  to
• 17:17
  basically
• 17:18
  do
• 17:18
  bulk
• 17:18
  printing.
• 17:19
  I
• 17:19
  found
• 17:20
  out
• 17:20
  that
• 17:20
  Print
• 17:20
  on
• 17:20
  Demand
• 17:20
  does
• 17:21
  not
• 17:21
  do
• 17:21
  board
• 17:21
  books.
• 17:22
  And
• 17:23
  so
• 17:23
  even
• 17:23
  though
• 17:24
  it
• 17:24
  was
• 17:25
  something
• 17:25
  where
• 17:25
  the
• 17:25
  Print
• 17:25
  on
• 17:26
  demand
• 17:26
  through
• 17:26
  IngramSpark
• 17:27
  or
• 17:27
  through
• 17:27
  KDP,
• 17:28
  where
• 17:28
  it
• 17:29
  would
• 17:29
  have
• 17:29
  been
• 17:29
  a
• 17:30
  little
• 17:30
  bit
• 17:30
  obviously
• 17:31
  cheaper
• 17:31
  upfront
• 17:32
  money
• 17:32
  to
• 17:33
  go
• 17:33
  that
• 17:34
  route,
• 17:34
  obviously
• 17:35
  then
• 17:35
  you
• 17:35
  get
• 17:35
  your
• 17:35
  royalties
• 17:36
  out
• 17:36
  of
• 17:36
  it
• 17:36
  and
• 17:37
  then
• 17:37
  they
• 17:37
  just
• 17:37
  do
• 17:37
  everything.
• 17:38
  Print
• 17:38
  on
• 17:38
  demand,
• 17:39
  IngramSpark
• 17:39
  and
• 17:40
  KDP
• 17:40
  have
• 17:40
  mainly
• 17:41
  IngramSpark
• 17:42
  has
• 17:42
  a
• 17:42
  large
• 17:42
  distribution
• 17:43
  program
• 17:44
  to
• 17:44
  where
• 17:45
  they
• 17:45
  have
• 17:45
  the
• 17:45
  massive
• 17:46
  catalog
• 17:46
  to
• 17:46
  45,000
• 17:47
  retail
• 17:48
  stores
• 17:48
  across
• 17:48
  the
• 17:48
  country.
• 17:49
  So
• 17:49
  they're
• 17:49
  able
• 17:49
  to
• 17:50
  really
• 17:50
  showcase
• 17:50
  your
• 17:50
  book
• 17:51
  and
• 17:51
  get
• 17:51
  them
• 17:51
  across
• 17:52
  the
• 17:52
  country.
• 17:53
  Or
• 17:54
  there's
• 17:54
  obviously
• 17:54
  the
• 17:55
  route
• 17:55
  of
• 17:55
  offset
• 17:56
  printing,
• 17:56
  which
• 17:57
  they
• 17:57
  were
• 17:57
  able
• 17:57
  to
• 17:57
  do.
• 17:57
  The
• 17:58
  board
• 17:58
  book.
• 17:59
  The
• 17:59
  upfront
• 18:00
  cost
• 18:01
  was
• 18:01
  basically
• 18:02
  about
• 18:03
  half
• 18:04
  of
• 18:04
  my
• 18:04
  margins
• 18:04
  right
• 18:05
  there.
• 18:05
  It's
• 18:07
  obviously
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  more
• 18:08
  that
• 18:08
  you
• 18:09
  get,
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  more
• 18:09
  quantity
• 18:10
  you
• 18:10
  get,
• 18:10
  the
• 18:10
  lower
• 18:10
  the
• 18:11
  cost
• 18:11
  of
• 18:11
  the
• 18:11
  book
• 18:11
  is.
• 18:12
  And
• 18:12
  so
• 18:12
  something
• 18:13
  where
• 18:13
  I
• 18:14
  very
• 18:14
  much
• 18:15
  just.
• 18:15
  I
• 18:16
  was
• 18:16
  contemplating
• 18:16
  back
• 18:17
  and
• 18:17
  forth
• 18:17
  if
• 18:17
  I
• 18:17
  really
• 18:17
  wanted
• 18:18
  to
• 18:18
  put
• 18:18
  up
• 18:18
  that
• 18:18
  kind
• 18:18
  of
• 18:18
  money
• 18:19
  to
• 18:19
  do
• 18:19
  a
• 18:19
  board
• 18:19
  book,
• 18:19
  if
• 18:19
  I
• 18:20
  really
• 18:20
  wanted
• 18:20
  to
• 18:20
  go
• 18:20
  with
• 18:20
  my
• 18:21
  original
• 18:22
  plan
• 18:22
  and
• 18:22
  go
• 18:23
  with
• 18:23
  my
• 18:23
  heart
• 18:24
  and
• 18:24
  go
• 18:24
  for
• 18:24
  something
• 18:25
  that
• 18:25
  I
• 18:25
  truly
• 18:25
  want
• 18:25
  to
• 18:25
  give
• 18:26
  my
• 18:26
  daughter.
• 18:27
  And
• 18:27
  so
• 18:27
  I
• 18:28
  finally
• 18:28
  went
• 18:28
  down
• 18:28
  that
• 18:29
  board
• 18:29
  book
• 18:29
  route.
• 18:30
  And
• 18:31
  I'm
• 18:31
  extremely
• 18:32
  happy
• 18:32
  that
• 18:32
  I
• 18:33
  did
• 18:33
  because
• 18:34
  not
• 18:34
  only,
• 18:35
  and
• 18:35
  this
• 18:35
  is
• 18:35
  maybe
• 18:36
  talking
• 18:36
  a
• 18:36
  little
• 18:36
  more
• 18:36
  of
• 18:37
  the
• 18:37
  financial
• 18:37
  side
• 18:37
  of
• 18:37
  it,
• 18:38
  but
• 18:38
  even
• 18:39
  though
• 18:39
  it
• 18:40
  was
• 18:40
  more
• 18:40
  money
• 18:40
  up
• 18:41
  front,
• 18:41
  I'm
• 18:42
  seeing
• 18:42
  a
• 18:42
  lot
• 18:42
  more,
• 18:42
  obviously
• 18:44
  a
• 18:44
  lot
• 18:44
  more
• 18:44
  money
• 18:44
  and
• 18:45
  larger
• 18:45
  roi.
• 18:46
  We'll
• 18:46
  just
• 18:46
  say
• 18:46
  that
• 18:46
  when
• 18:46
  it
• 18:47
  comes
• 18:47
  to
• 18:47
  a
• 18:47
  lot
• 18:47
  higher
• 18:48
  margins,
• 18:48
  I'm
• 18:49
  able
• 18:49
  to
• 18:49
  sell
• 18:49
  my
• 18:49
  book.
• 18:50
  I
• 18:50
  know
• 18:50
  when
• 18:50
  you
• 18:50
  look
• 18:50
  at
• 18:51
  some
• 18:51
  of
• 18:51
  these
• 18:51
  Print
• 18:51
  on
• 18:51
  Demand
• 18:52
  books
• 18:52
  through
• 18:52
  Amazon
• 18:53
  or
• 18:53
  through
• 18:53
  KDP
• 18:54
  or
• 18:54
  IngramSpark
• 18:55
  through
• 18:55
  sometimes
• 18:55
  the
• 18:56
  prices
• 18:56
  have
• 18:56
  to
• 18:56
  be
• 18:57
  20,
• 18:58
  $25,
• 18:59
  something
• 19:00
  like
• 19:00
  that,
• 19:00
  just
• 19:00
  to
• 19:00
  make
• 19:00
  a
• 19:00
  royalty
• 19:01
  of
• 19:01
  a
• 19:02
  dollar
• 19:02
  $2.
• 19:03
  This
• 19:03
  here.
• 19:04
  I
• 19:04
  mean,
• 19:04
  I'm
• 19:05
  selling
• 19:05
  it
• 19:05
  right
• 19:05
  now,
• 19:05
  12.99.
• 19:06
  And
• 19:07
  for
• 19:07
  the
• 19:07
  most
• 19:07
  part,
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  make
• 19:08
  about
• 19:09
  $8
• 19:10
  a
• 19:10
  book.
• 19:11
  Let's
• 19:11
  talk
• 19:11
  about
• 19:12
  that
• 19:12
  a
• 19:12
  bit
• 19:12
  more
• 19:12
  because
• 19:13
  I
• 19:13
  just
• 19:13
  want
• 19:14
  everybody
• 19:14
  to
• 19:14
  understand
• 19:14
  now,
• 19:15
  of
• 19:15
  course
• 19:15
  I
• 19:16
  downloaded
• 19:16
  the
• 19:16
  ebook.
• 19:17
  I
• 19:18
  personally
• 19:18
  believe
• 19:19
  you
• 19:19
  should
• 19:19
  be
• 19:19
  charging
• 19:20
  more
• 19:20
  for
• 19:20
  your
• 19:20
  ebook.
• 19:22
  I
• 19:22
  appreciate
• 19:22
  that.
• 19:23
  Yeah,
• 19:23
  no,
• 19:23
  because
• 19:24
  you
• 19:24
  know
• 19:24
  what
• 19:24
  happens,
• 19:25
  Jake,
• 19:25
  And
• 19:25
  I
• 19:26
  want
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  audience
• 19:26
  to
• 19:26
  understand
• 19:27
  I
• 19:27
  was
• 19:27
  buying
• 19:28
  everybody's
• 19:30
  soft
• 19:30
  cover
• 19:30
  book
• 19:31
  and
• 19:31
  sometimes
• 19:32
  the
• 19:32
  hardcover
• 19:33
  would
• 19:33
  be
• 19:33
  cheaper
• 19:33
  than
• 19:34
  the
• 19:34
  soft
• 19:34
  cover
• 19:34
  through
• 19:35
  Amazon.
• 19:35
  So
• 19:36
  I
• 19:36
  get
• 19:36
  the
• 19:36
  hardcover.
• 19:37
  But
• 19:37
  eventually
• 19:38
  my
• 19:38
  wife
• 19:38
  said
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  me
• 19:39
  like,
• 19:39
  where
• 19:40
  are
• 19:40
  we
• 19:40
  going
• 19:40
  to
• 19:40
  store
• 19:41
  all
• 19:41
  these
• 19:41
  things?
• 19:42
  I
• 19:42
  said
• 19:43
  time
• 19:43
  to
• 19:43
  go
• 19:43
  the
• 19:44
  ebook
• 19:44
  route.
• 19:45
  And
• 19:45
  so
• 19:46
  that.
• 19:46
  That's
• 19:46
  what
• 19:46
  I've
• 19:46
  done.
• 19:47
  So
• 19:47
  I
• 19:47
  know
• 19:48
  what
• 19:49
  the
• 19:50
  prices
• 19:50
  are
• 19:51
  and
• 19:51
  I
• 19:51
  find
• 19:52
  that
• 19:52
  you
• 19:52
  have
• 19:53
  by
• 19:53
  far
• 19:53
  the
• 19:54
  lowest
• 19:55
  price
• 19:55
  I've
• 19:55
  paid
• 19:56
  for
• 19:56
  an
• 19:56
  ebook.
• 19:57
  If
• 19:58
  I
• 19:58
  were
• 19:58
  you,
• 19:58
  I
• 19:59
  probably,
• 20:00
  I
• 20:01
  take
• 20:01
  it
• 20:01
  up
• 20:01
  two
• 20:01
  and
• 20:02
  a
• 20:02
  half,
• 20:02
  three
• 20:02
  times
• 20:03
  what
• 20:03
  you're
• 20:03
  charging
• 20:03
  for.
• 20:04
  That's.
• 20:06
  And
• 20:06
  you
• 20:06
  know
• 20:06
  what?
• 20:07
  You
• 20:08
  don't
• 20:08
  have
• 20:08
  to
• 20:08
  take
• 20:08
  my
• 20:08
  word.
• 20:09
  And
• 20:09
  for
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  audience,
• 20:10
  go
• 20:10
  to
• 20:11
  Amazon
• 20:11
  and
• 20:12
  check
• 20:12
  out
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  pricing.
• 20:13
  And
• 20:14
  generally
• 20:15
  you're
• 20:15
  going
• 20:16
  to
• 20:16
  find
• 20:16
  pricing
• 20:16
  on
• 20:16
  an
• 20:17
  ebook
• 20:17
  is
• 20:17
  cheaper.
• 20:17
  They
• 20:18
  like
• 20:18
  to
• 20:18
  discount
• 20:19
  it
• 20:19
  a
• 20:19
  bit
• 20:19
  to
• 20:19
  make
• 20:20
  it
• 20:20
  attractive
• 20:21
  from
• 20:21
  the
• 20:21
  soft
• 20:22
  cover
• 20:22
  book
• 20:22
  or
• 20:23
  the
• 20:23
  hardcover
• 20:23
  book.
• 20:24
  That's
• 20:24
  just
• 20:24
  a
• 20:24
  recommendation.
• 20:25
  No,
• 20:26
  I
• 20:26
  appreciate
• 20:27
  that.
• 20:27
  I
• 20:27
  feel
• 20:27
  like
• 20:27
  sometimes
• 20:28
  too
• 20:28
  it's
• 20:28
  always
• 20:28
  so
• 20:28
  tough
• 20:29
  to.
• 20:29
  When
• 20:29
  you
• 20:29
  look
• 20:30
  at
• 20:30
  different
• 20:30
  ebooks
• 20:31
  out
• 20:31
  there
• 20:31
  and
• 20:31
  different
• 20:32
  kind
• 20:32
  of
• 20:32
  prices
• 20:32
  and
• 20:32
  like
• 20:33
  how
• 20:33
  should
• 20:33
  I
• 20:33
  price
• 20:33
  my
• 20:34
  book
• 20:34
  and
• 20:35
  what
• 20:35
  level
• 20:35
  is
• 20:36
  it
• 20:36
  in
• 20:36
  comparison
• 20:37
  to
• 20:37
  some
• 20:37
  of
• 20:37
  these
• 20:37
  other
• 20:37
  ones?
• 20:38
  And
• 20:39
  sometimes
• 20:40
  and
• 20:40
  especially
• 20:40
  too.
• 20:41
  So
• 20:41
  the
• 20:41
  main
• 20:41
  reason
• 20:41
  that
• 20:42
  I
• 20:42
  have
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  ebook
• 20:43
  out
• 20:43
  there
• 20:44
  is
• 20:44
  obviously
• 20:44
  to
• 20:45
  get
• 20:45
  onto
• 20:45
  KDP's
• 20:46
  I
• 20:46
  guess
• 20:46
  platform
• 20:47
  to
• 20:47
  be
• 20:47
  able
• 20:47
  to
• 20:48
  sell
• 20:48
  bug
• 20:49
  hug
• 20:49
  to
• 20:49
  be
• 20:49
  able
• 20:49
  to
• 20:50
  have
• 20:50
  that
• 20:50
  an
• 20:51
  author
• 20:52
  page
• 20:52
  on
• 20:52
  Amazon.
• 20:53
  So
• 20:53
  the
• 20:53
  ebook
• 20:55
  obviously
• 20:55
  fantastic.
• 20:56
  And
• 20:56
  it's
• 20:56
  great.
• 20:57
  Obviously
• 20:58
  I
• 20:58
  think
• 20:58
  the
• 20:58
  main
• 20:58
  sale
• 20:58
  is
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  get
• 20:59
  the
• 21:00
  board
• 21:00
  book.
• 21:00
  So
• 21:00
  having
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  ebook
• 21:02
  basically
• 21:03
  creates
• 21:04
  the
• 21:04
  platform
• 21:04
  for
• 21:04
  me.
• 21:05
  So
• 21:05
  then
• 21:05
  I
• 21:05
  can
• 21:05
  not
• 21:06
  just
• 21:06
  do
• 21:06
  a
• 21:06
  third
• 21:06
  party
• 21:07
  seller
• 21:08
  program
• 21:08
  through
• 21:08
  Amazon
• 21:09
  but
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  can
• 21:09
  actually
• 21:09
  jump
• 21:10
  onto
• 21:10
  KDP
• 21:10
  and
• 21:11
  utilize
• 21:11
  their
• 21:11
  platform,
• 21:12
  utilize
• 21:12
  their
• 21:12
  author
• 21:13
  page
• 21:14
  and
• 21:14
  then
• 21:14
  showcase
• 21:15
  the
• 21:15
  board
• 21:15
  book.
• 21:15
  Let's
• 21:16
  talk
• 21:16
  about
• 21:16
  the
• 21:17
  board
• 21:18
  book
• 21:18
  format
• 21:19
  because
• 21:19
  you
• 21:19
  do
• 21:20
  have
• 21:20
  it
• 21:20
  on
• 21:20
  Amazon.
• 21:21
  Explain
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  us
• 21:22
  how
• 21:22
  you're
• 21:23
  selling
• 21:23
  it
• 21:23
  through
• 21:24
  Amazon.
• 21:25
  Definitely
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  board
• 21:26
  book
• 21:26
  since
• 21:27
  it
• 21:27
  was
• 21:27
  printed
• 21:27
  third
• 21:28
  party.
• 21:28
  It's
• 21:28
  not
• 21:28
  through
• 21:29
  KDP
• 21:29
  or
• 21:29
  Ingram.
• 21:30
  It
• 21:31
  basically
• 21:31
  is
• 21:31
  set
• 21:31
  up
• 21:32
  as
• 21:32
  any
• 21:32
  kind
• 21:32
  of
• 21:32
  product.
• 21:33
  And
• 21:34
  any
• 21:34
  kind
• 21:34
  of
• 21:34
  product
• 21:34
  you're
• 21:35
  going
• 21:35
  to
• 21:35
  have
• 21:35
  to
• 21:35
  go
• 21:35
  through
• 21:35
  the
• 21:36
  Amazon
• 21:36
  seller
• 21:36
  account
• 21:37
  as
• 21:37
  anything
• 21:38
  would.
• 21:38
  And
• 21:39
  that's
• 21:39
  how
• 21:39
  you
• 21:39
  put
• 21:39
  it
• 21:39
  on
• 21:40
  Amazon.
• 21:40
  There's
• 21:41
  Right.
• 21:41
  So
• 21:42
  Amazon
• 21:42
  has
• 21:42
  the
• 21:43
  seller
• 21:43
  account
• 21:43
  and
• 21:43
  then
• 21:43
  they
• 21:44
  have
• 21:44
  the
• 21:44
  author
• 21:44
  page
• 21:45
  account
• 21:45
  through
• 21:45
  kdp.
• 21:47
  Basically
• 21:48
  what
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  did
• 21:48
  is
• 21:49
  I
• 21:49
  created
• 21:49
  an
• 21:50
  ebook
• 21:50
  which
• 21:50
  was
• 21:50
  extremely
• 21:51
  easy
• 21:51
  through
• 21:52
  KDP
• 21:53
  finding
• 21:53
  out
• 21:53
  that
• 21:53
  was
• 21:54
  definitely
• 21:54
  the
• 21:54
  route
• 21:54
  to
• 21:54
  go
• 21:54
  instead
• 21:55
  of
• 21:55
  Ingram
• 21:55
  since
• 21:56
  KDP
• 21:57
  has
• 21:57
  a
• 21:57
  better
• 21:58
  market
• 21:58
  for
• 21:58
  the
• 21:59
  Kindle.
• 21:59
  Yes.
• 22:01
  Utilizing
• 22:02
  the
• 22:02
  KDP's
• 22:03
  platform
• 22:03
  so
• 22:03
  I
• 22:03
  can
• 22:03
  create
• 22:04
  an
• 22:04
  author
• 22:04
  page
• 22:04
  so
• 22:05
  I
• 22:05
  can
• 22:05
  put
• 22:05
  my
• 22:05
  publishing
• 22:06
  or
• 22:06
  publication
• 22:07
  company
• 22:07
  on
• 22:07
  that
• 22:08
  page.
• 22:08
  And
• 22:09
  then
• 22:09
  I
• 22:09
  linked
• 22:09
  my
• 22:10
  third
• 22:10
  party
• 22:10
  products
• 22:11
  so
• 22:11
  my
• 22:11
  board
• 22:11
  book
• 22:12
  into
• 22:13
  my
• 22:13
  KDP
• 22:14
  accounts,
• 22:14
  so
• 22:14
  then
• 22:15
  those
• 22:15
  could
• 22:15
  be
• 22:15
  sold
• 22:16
  together.
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  will
• 22:18
  say
• 22:18
  it
• 22:18
  is
• 22:18
  something
• 22:19
  to
• 22:19
  where
• 22:21
  Amazon
• 22:21
  obviously
• 22:22
  loves
• 22:22
  everything
• 22:22
  through
• 22:23
  their
• 22:23
  own
• 22:23
  platform,
• 22:24
  so
• 22:24
  they
• 22:25
  will
• 22:25
  always
• 22:25
  showcase
• 22:25
  the
• 22:26
  Kindle
• 22:26
  version
• 22:26
  first.
• 22:27
  And
• 22:27
  then
• 22:27
  they'll
• 22:27
  say,
• 22:28
  oh,
• 22:28
  also
• 22:28
  another
• 22:29
  feature
• 22:29
  thing
• 22:30
  is
• 22:30
  going
• 22:30
  to
• 22:30
  be
• 22:30
  their
• 22:30
  board
• 22:30
  book.
• 22:31
  So
• 22:31
  there
• 22:31
  is
• 22:31
  a
• 22:31
  discrepancy
• 22:32
  there.
• 22:33
  But
• 22:33
  like
• 22:33
  I
• 22:33
  said,
• 22:34
  when
• 22:34
  it
• 22:34
  comes
• 22:34
  to
• 22:34
  the
• 22:34
  board
• 22:34
  book,
• 22:35
  it
• 22:36
  is
• 22:36
  looked
• 22:36
  as
• 22:37
  the
• 22:38
  second
• 22:39
  sibling
• 22:39
  to
• 22:39
  print
• 22:40
  on
• 22:40
  demands.
• 22:40
  Just
• 22:41
  because
• 22:41
  there's
• 22:41
  not
• 22:41
  really
• 22:42
  a
• 22:42
  distribution
• 22:42
  platform
• 22:43
  set
• 22:43
  up
• 22:43
  for
• 22:44
  board
• 22:44
  books
• 22:44
  for
• 22:44
  offset
• 22:45
  printing
• 22:45
  companies.
• 22:46
  Explain
• 22:47
  to
• 22:47
  us
• 22:47
  that
• 22:47
  process
• 22:48
  because
• 22:49
  you
• 22:49
  have
• 22:49
  a
• 22:49
  excellent
• 22:50
  price
• 22:50
  on
• 22:50
  your
• 22:51
  board
• 22:51
  book.
• 22:53
  Thank
• 22:53
  you.
• 22:53
  And
• 22:53
  you
• 22:54
  said
• 22:54
  the
• 22:54
  margins
• 22:54
  are
• 22:55
  good,
• 22:55
  but
• 22:55
  at
• 22:55
  the
• 22:56
  end
• 22:56
  of
• 22:56
  the
• 22:56
  day
• 22:57
  it
• 22:57
  gets
• 22:57
  ordered
• 22:58
  through
• 22:59
  Amazon.
• 22:59
  But
• 23:00
  how
• 23:00
  does
• 23:00
  it
• 23:00
  get
• 23:01
  to
• 23:01
  the
• 23:02
  end
• 23:03
  user,
• 23:03
  the
• 23:03
  person
• 23:04
  who
• 23:04
  bought
• 23:04
  the
• 23:04
  book?
• 23:06
  Definitely.
• 23:06
  It's
• 23:06
  actually
• 23:06
  the
• 23:07
  kind
• 23:07
  of
• 23:07
  best
• 23:07
  of
• 23:07
  both
• 23:07
  worlds.
• 23:08
  And
• 23:08
  I
• 23:08
  don't
• 23:08
  know
• 23:08
  if
• 23:08
  I'm
• 23:09
  able
• 23:09
  to
• 23:09
  name
• 23:09
  drop
• 23:10
  my
• 23:10
  distribution
• 23:11
  company.
• 23:12
  Sure.
• 23:12
  Okay.
• 23:13
  Yeah.
• 23:14
  So
• 23:14
  when
• 23:14
  I
• 23:14
  was
• 23:15
  going
• 23:15
  through
• 23:15
  different
• 23:15
  kind
• 23:15
  of
• 23:15
  offset
• 23:16
  printing
• 23:16
  companies,
• 23:17
  there's
• 23:17
  obviously
• 23:17
  fantastic
• 23:18
  ones
• 23:18
  in
• 23:18
  the
• 23:19
  United
• 23:19
  States.
• 23:19
  There's
• 23:20
  one
• 23:20
  called
• 23:20
  Pint
• 23:20
  Size
• 23:21
  Productions
• 23:21
  and
• 23:22
  I
• 23:22
  believe
• 23:22
  they're
• 23:22
  the
• 23:22
  ones
• 23:22
  that
• 23:22
  do
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  Sandra
• 23:23
  Boynton
• 23:24
  books,
• 23:24
  American
• 23:25
  Made.
• 23:26
  They
• 23:26
  do
• 23:26
  a
• 23:26
  fantastic
• 23:27
  quality.
• 23:27
  It's
• 23:27
  just
• 23:27
  that
• 23:27
  the
• 23:28
  pricing
• 23:28
  was
• 23:28
  just
• 23:28
  a
• 23:28
  little
• 23:28
  bit
• 23:29
  outside
• 23:29
  my
• 23:29
  budget
• 23:29
  and
• 23:30
  especially
• 23:30
  when
• 23:30
  it
• 23:30
  came
• 23:30
  to
• 23:30
  margins,
• 23:31
  didn't
• 23:31
  see
• 23:32
  like
• 23:32
  I'd
• 23:32
  really
• 23:32
  be
• 23:32
  able
• 23:33
  recover
• 23:34
  from
• 23:34
  that,
• 23:35
  especially
• 23:35
  for
• 23:35
  my
• 23:35
  first
• 23:36
  book.
• 23:36
  You
• 23:36
  never
• 23:36
  know
• 23:36
  how
• 23:36
  it's
• 23:37
  going
• 23:37
  to
• 23:37
  sell.
• 23:38
  So
• 23:38
  then
• 23:38
  there's
• 23:39
  going
• 23:39
  to
• 23:39
  be
• 23:39
  offshore
• 23:39
  companies
• 23:40
  that
• 23:40
  can
• 23:41
  do
• 23:41
  it
• 23:41
  for
• 23:41
  a
• 23:41
  lot
• 23:41
  cheaper.
• 23:42
  But
• 23:42
  obviously
• 23:42
  the
• 23:42
  shipping
• 23:43
  cost
• 23:43
  to
• 23:43
  get
• 23:43
  it
• 23:43
  to
• 23:44
  United
• 23:44
  States
• 23:44
  could
• 23:44
  always
• 23:45
  be
• 23:45
  a
• 23:46
  lot
• 23:46
  larger
• 23:46
  and
• 23:47
  make
• 23:47
  up
• 23:47
  that
• 23:47
  difference
• 23:48
  right
• 23:48
  there.
• 23:49
  So
• 23:50
  one
• 23:50
  of
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  companies
• 23:51
  that
• 23:51
  I
• 23:51
  found
• 23:51
  that
• 23:51
  actually
• 23:52
  was
• 23:53
  the
• 23:53
  best
• 23:53
  of
• 23:53
  both
• 23:53
  worlds
• 23:54
  was
• 23:54
  IAPC
• 23:56
  Independent
• 23:56
  Authors
• 23:57
  Publication
• 23:57
  Company.
• 23:59
  They
• 23:59
  have,
• 24:00
  like
• 24:01
  I
• 24:01
  said,
• 24:01
  the
• 24:01
  best
• 24:01
  of
• 24:01
  both
• 24:01
  worlds.
• 24:02
  They
• 24:02
  used
• 24:03
  four
• 24:03
  printing
• 24:04
  companies
• 24:05
  in
• 24:05
  China
• 24:06
  that
• 24:07
  they
• 24:08
  will
• 24:09
  manage.
• 24:09
  They'll
• 24:10
  work
• 24:10
  with
• 24:10
  them,
• 24:11
  they'll
• 24:11
  make
• 24:11
  sure
• 24:11
  that
• 24:12
  it's
• 24:12
  the
• 24:12
  top
• 24:12
  tier
• 24:13
  printing
• 24:13
  quality.
• 24:14
  If
• 24:14
  anything
• 24:15
  happens
• 24:15
  wrong
• 24:15
  with
• 24:15
  the
• 24:16
  book,
• 24:16
  they
• 24:16
  will
• 24:17
  talk
• 24:17
  with
• 24:17
  the
• 24:17
  printer
• 24:18
  themselves.
• 24:18
  So
• 24:18
  it's
• 24:18
  not
• 24:19
  me
• 24:19
  directly
• 24:19
  talking
• 24:20
  with
• 24:20
  them.
• 24:21
  And
• 24:21
  they
• 24:21
  have
• 24:21
  basically
• 24:22
  to
• 24:22
  make
• 24:22
  sure
• 24:22
  that
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  communication
• 24:23
  line
• 24:23
  is
• 24:23
  set
• 24:23
  up
• 24:24
  great
• 24:24
  between
• 24:24
  them.
• 24:26
  The
• 24:26
  next
• 24:26
  nice
• 24:27
  thing
• 24:27
  about
• 24:27
  them
• 24:27
  is
• 24:28
  like
• 24:28
  Yuri,
• 24:28
  you're
• 24:29
  talking
• 24:29
  about
• 24:29
  is,
• 24:29
  let's
• 24:30
  say
• 24:30
  I
• 24:30
  just
• 24:30
  did
• 24:30
  500
• 24:31
  copies.
• 24:32
  Where
• 24:32
  am
• 24:32
  I
• 24:33
  going
• 24:33
  to
• 24:33
  store
• 24:33
  500
• 24:33
  copies
• 24:34
  on
• 24:34
  my
• 24:34
  house?
• 24:34
  That's.
• 24:35
  It's
• 24:36
  a
• 24:36
  lot
• 24:36
  of
• 24:36
  space.
• 24:36
  Absolutely.
• 24:38
  So
• 24:38
  the
• 24:38
  nice
• 24:38
  thing
• 24:38
  that
• 24:39
  they
• 24:39
  actually
• 24:39
  have
• 24:39
  is
• 24:39
  they
• 24:40
  have
• 24:40
  a
• 24:40
  warehouse
• 24:41
  to
• 24:41
  where
• 24:42
  you
• 24:42
  pay
• 24:43
  $0.03
• 24:44
  per
• 24:45
  book
• 24:45
  or
• 24:45
  per
• 24:46
  unit
• 24:46
  stored
• 24:47
  in
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  warehouse
• 24:47
  a
• 24:47
  month.
• 24:48
  So
• 24:48
  for
• 24:49
  500
• 24:49
  copies,
• 24:49
  that's
• 24:50
  about
• 24:50
  $30
• 24:50
  a
• 24:51
  month
• 24:51
  for
• 24:51
  me.
• 24:52
  And
• 24:52
  then
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  best
• 24:52
  part
• 24:53
  about
• 24:53
  all
• 24:53
  of
• 24:54
  it
• 24:54
  is
• 24:55
  when
• 24:55
  it
• 24:55
  came
• 24:55
  to
• 24:56
  shipping
• 24:56
  and
• 24:57
  handling,
• 24:58
  because
• 24:59
  when
• 24:59
  I
• 25:00
  got
• 25:00
  on
• 25:01
  there,
• 25:01
  they
• 25:01
  were
• 25:01
  like,
• 25:01
  oh,
• 25:02
  we're
• 25:02
  able
• 25:02
  to
• 25:02
  use
• 25:03
  media
• 25:03
  mail.
• 25:03
  And
• 25:04
  media
• 25:04
  mail
• 25:04
  was
• 25:05
  about
• 25:05
  $4.92
• 25:07
  to
• 25:07
  ship
• 25:08
  out
• 25:08
  for
• 25:08
  them.
• 25:09
  When
• 25:09
  I
• 25:09
  tried
• 25:10
  going
• 25:10
  on
• 25:10
  to
• 25:10
  go
• 25:11
  send
• 25:11
  books
• 25:12
  out
• 25:12
  myself,
• 25:13
  me
• 25:13
  going
• 25:13
  to
• 25:13
  the
• 25:13
  post
• 25:13
  office
• 25:14
  ship
• 25:14
  them
• 25:14
  out,
• 25:15
  I
• 25:15
  was
• 25:15
  looking
• 25:15
  at
• 25:16
  about
• 25:16
  $9
• 25:16
  to
• 25:16
  $10
• 25:17
  per
• 25:17
  unit
• 25:17
  just
• 25:17
  to
• 25:18
  send
• 25:18
  out.
• 25:19
  Found
• 25:19
  that
• 25:19
  the
• 25:19
  fun
• 25:19
  way
• 25:20
  when
• 25:20
  I
• 25:20
  first
• 25:20
  launched
• 25:20
  the
• 25:21
  book
• 25:21
  and
• 25:21
  I
• 25:21
  had
• 25:21
  people
• 25:21
  been
• 25:22
  like,
• 25:22
  I
• 25:22
  want
• 25:22
  to
• 25:22
  sign
• 25:23
  copy.
• 25:23
  I'm
• 25:23
  like,
• 25:23
  great,
• 25:24
  I'll
• 25:25
  send
• 25:25
  you
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  copy.
• 25:26
  I'll
• 25:26
  just
• 25:27
  whatever,
• 25:27
  sign
• 25:28
  it
• 25:28
  and
• 25:28
  I'll
• 25:28
  send
• 25:28
  it
• 25:28
  to
• 25:28
  you
• 25:29
  to
• 25:29
  send
• 25:30
  out
• 25:30
  five
• 25:30
  copies
• 25:31
  to
• 25:32
  different
• 25:32
  places.
• 25:32
  It
• 25:33
  was
• 25:33
  $65
• 25:34
  in
• 25:34
  just
• 25:34
  shipping
• 25:35
  costs,
• 25:36
  which
• 25:36
  completely
• 25:37
  blew
• 25:38
  out
• 25:38
  my
• 25:38
  margins.
• 25:39
  So
• 25:40
  the
• 25:40
  best
• 25:41
  part
• 25:41
  about
• 25:42
  this
• 25:42
  warehouse
• 25:43
  is
• 25:43
  that
• 25:43
  they
• 25:43
  do
• 25:43
  the
• 25:43
  shipping
• 25:43
  handling.
• 25:44
  They're
• 25:44
  able
• 25:44
  to
• 25:44
  send
• 25:45
  out
• 25:45
  each
• 25:46
  unit
• 25:46
  for
• 25:46
  $4.92,
• 25:48
  and
• 25:48
  that
• 25:48
  includes
• 25:48
  their
• 25:49
  handling
• 25:49
  fee,
• 25:49
  everything
• 25:50
  included
• 25:50
  into
• 25:51
  that.
• 25:51
  And
• 25:52
  on
• 25:52
  top
• 25:52
  of
• 25:52
  that,
• 25:52
  too,
• 25:53
  if
• 25:53
  it's
• 25:54
  two,
• 25:54
  three
• 25:54
  books,
• 25:54
  if
• 25:55
  it's
• 25:55
  a
• 25:55
  little
• 25:55
  bit
• 25:55
  more
• 25:55
  of
• 25:55
  a
• 25:55
  bulk
• 25:55
  order,
• 25:56
  it
• 25:56
  only
• 25:56
  goes
• 25:56
  up
• 25:56
  by
• 25:57
  10,
• 25:57
  15
• 25:58
  cents.
• 25:58
  So
• 26:00
  for
• 26:00
  the
• 26:00
  most
• 26:00
  part.
• 26:01
  And
• 26:01
  their
• 26:01
  warehouse
• 26:02
  team
• 26:02
  sends
• 26:03
  everything
• 26:03
  out
• 26:04
  almost
• 26:04
  immediately.
• 26:05
  So
• 26:06
  it
• 26:06
  is
• 26:07
  almost
• 26:07
  the
• 26:08
  feeling
• 26:08
  of
• 26:08
  having
• 26:09
  a
• 26:09
  print
• 26:10
  on
• 26:10
  demand
• 26:10
  quality
• 26:11
  of
• 26:11
  getting
• 26:12
  things
• 26:12
  out
• 26:12
  to
• 26:13
  the
• 26:13
  consumer.
• 26:14
  With
• 26:14
  having
• 26:15
  a
• 26:15
  board
• 26:16
  book
• 26:16
  and
• 26:16
  with
• 26:16
  having
• 26:16
  an
• 26:17
  offset
• 26:17
  printing
• 26:17
  company
• 26:18
  in
• 26:18
  your
• 26:18
  back
• 26:18
  pocket.
• 26:19
  I
• 26:19
  just
• 26:19
  want
• 26:19
  people
• 26:19
  to
• 26:20
  understand.
• 26:20
  This
• 26:20
  year,
• 26:20
  book
• 26:21
  retails
• 26:22
  on
• 26:22
  Amazon.com
• 26:23
  for
• 26:24
  1299.
• 26:25
  It
• 26:25
  costs
• 26:26
  you
• 26:26
  $4.92.
• 26:28
  Yeah.
• 26:29
  Okay.
• 26:29
  To
• 26:29
  get
• 26:30
  it
• 26:30
  shipped,
• 26:31
  it
• 26:31
  costs
• 26:32
  you
• 26:32
  another
• 26:33
  3
• 26:34
  cents
• 26:34
  to
• 26:35
  store.
• 26:36
  Yep.
• 26:38
  And
• 26:38
  it
• 26:39
  costs
• 26:39
  you
• 26:39
  how
• 26:40
  much
• 26:40
  to
• 26:40
  print?
• 26:40
  You
• 26:41
  said
• 26:41
  about
• 26:42
  $4
• 26:42
  a
• 26:42
  book
• 26:43
  to
• 26:43
  print
• 26:43
  or
• 26:43
  less.
• 26:44
  Yeah.
• 26:45
  So
• 26:45
  I
• 26:45
  can
• 26:45
  be
• 26:45
  up
• 26:46
  front
• 26:46
  about.
• 26:46
  For
• 26:47
  my
• 26:47
  500
• 26:47
  copies
• 26:48
  of
• 26:49
  my
• 26:49
  book,
• 26:49
  with
• 26:49
  being
• 26:50
  7
• 26:50
  by
• 26:51
  718
• 26:52
  pages,
• 26:53
  it
• 26:53
  was
• 26:54
  about
• 26:54
  2,100
• 26:55
  for
• 26:56
  an
• 26:56
  upfront
• 26:57
  cost
• 26:57
  for
• 26:57
  the
• 26:58
  500
• 26:58
  books.
• 26:58
  And
• 26:58
  that
• 26:59
  included
• 26:59
  shipping.
• 27:01
  Yes.
• 27:01
  So
• 27:01
  the
• 27:01
  shipping
• 27:02
  is.
• 27:04
  Yeah,
• 27:04
  the
• 27:04
  shipping
• 27:05
  was
• 27:05
  included
• 27:06
  in
• 27:06
  that.
• 27:06
  Yes.
• 27:07
  And
• 27:07
  so
• 27:07
  the
• 27:07
  shipping
• 27:08
  actually
• 27:08
  sent
• 27:08
  it
• 27:08
  to
• 27:08
  the
• 27:08
  warehouse.
• 27:09
  And
• 27:09
  then
• 27:09
  from.
• 27:10
  Because
• 27:10
  I
• 27:10
  opted
• 27:11
  into
• 27:11
  the
• 27:11
  warehouse
• 27:11
  before
• 27:11
  I
• 27:12
  bought
• 27:12
  these
• 27:12
  books.
• 27:12
  Yes.
• 27:13
  And
• 27:13
  then
• 27:13
  I
• 27:13
  had
• 27:14
  190
• 27:15
  units
• 27:16
  shipped
• 27:16
  directly
• 27:16
  to
• 27:17
  my
• 27:17
  house,
• 27:17
  which
• 27:17
  was
• 27:17
  only
• 27:18
  $13
• 27:18
  to
• 27:18
  have
• 27:18
  it
• 27:19
  shipped
• 27:19
  here,
• 27:19
  which
• 27:19
  was
• 27:19
  great.
• 27:20
  It
• 27:20
  was
• 27:20
  super
• 27:20
  cheap.
• 27:21
  But
• 27:21
  yeah,
• 27:21
  just
• 27:21
  then,
• 27:22
  obviously
• 27:22
  I
• 27:22
  could
• 27:22
  do
• 27:22
  in
• 27:23
  person
• 27:23
  sales,
• 27:23
  could
• 27:24
  do
• 27:24
  my
• 27:24
  launch
• 27:24
  party,
• 27:25
  all
• 27:25
  these
• 27:25
  vendor
• 27:26
  booths,
• 27:26
  and
• 27:26
  then
• 27:26
  also
• 27:26
  go
• 27:27
  market
• 27:27
  it
• 27:27
  myself
• 27:28
  to
• 27:28
  all
• 27:28
  these
• 27:28
  retail
• 27:28
  stores.
• 27:29
  Okay.
• 27:30
  I
• 27:30
  divided
• 27:31
  500.
• 27:32
  500
• 27:33
  copies.
• 27:33
  500
• 27:34
  copies.
• 27:34
  So
• 27:34
  500
• 27:35
  into
• 27:35
  $2,100
• 27:38
  is
• 27:40
  $4.20.
• 27:42
  Yep.
• 27:43
  I'm
• 27:44
  just
• 27:44
  trying
• 27:44
  to
• 27:44
  calculate
• 27:45
  out
• 27:46
  at
• 27:46
  the
• 27:46
  end
• 27:47
  of
• 27:47
  the
• 27:47
  day
• 27:48
  is
• 27:49
  that's
• 27:49
  $420.03
• 27:50
  and
• 27:52
  then
• 27:52
  $4.92.
• 27:55
  So
• 27:56
  you're
• 27:56
  at
• 27:56
  9,
• 27:57
  about
• 27:57
  915,
• 28:00
  correct?
• 28:01
  Yeah,
• 28:01
  about
• 28:02
  $9,
• 28:02
  something
• 28:02
  like
• 28:03
  that.
• 28:03
  And
• 28:03
  then
• 28:03
  Amazon
• 28:04
  has
• 28:04
  some
• 28:05
  small
• 28:05
  fees,
• 28:05
  so
• 28:06
  you
• 28:06
  could
• 28:06
  probably
• 28:06
  just
• 28:06
  take
• 28:06
  a
• 28:06
  dollar
• 28:07
  off
• 28:07
  that
• 28:07
  too.
• 28:08
  Okay,
• 28:08
  so
• 28:09
  you're
• 28:09
  at
• 28:09
  384net,
• 28:11
  less
• 28:12
  Amazon
• 28:13
  than
• 28:13
  a
• 28:13
  buck.
• 28:13
  So
• 28:14
  you're
• 28:15
  taking
• 28:15
  in
• 28:16
  about
• 28:16
  $2.84.
• 28:18
  It's
• 28:19
  about
• 28:19
  $3,100
• 28:21
  for
• 28:21
  everything
• 28:22
  cost
• 28:22
  wise
• 28:22
  as
• 28:23
  printing,
• 28:23
  shipping,
• 28:25
  website
• 28:25
  vendor
• 28:26
  stuff,
• 28:26
  submitting
• 28:27
  for
• 28:28
  awards.
• 28:29
  Yes.
• 28:30
  Doing
• 28:30
  like
• 28:30
  admissions
• 28:31
  into
• 28:31
  like
• 28:32
  vendor
• 28:32
  booths,
• 28:32
  stuff
• 28:32
  like
• 28:33
  that.
• 28:33
  So
• 28:33
  about
• 28:33
  $3,100
• 28:34
  into
• 28:34
  it.
• 28:35
  Okay.
• 28:35
  And
• 28:35
  I've
• 28:36
  sold
• 28:36
  about
• 28:37
  240
• 28:38
  copies
• 28:39
  at
• 28:39
  like
• 28:40
  $12.
• 28:40
  So
• 28:41
  by
• 28:41
  just
• 28:41
  trying
• 28:42
  to
• 28:42
  give
• 28:42
  people
• 28:42
  an
• 28:43
  idea
• 28:43
  of
• 28:44
  the
• 28:44
  net
• 28:45
  amount
• 28:45
  per
• 28:46
  book
• 28:47
  at
• 28:47
  some
• 28:47
  point,
• 28:48
  if
• 28:48
  you
• 28:48
  print
• 28:49
  500
• 28:49
  books
• 28:49
  and
• 28:49
  you
• 28:50
  sell
• 28:50
  them
• 28:51
  and
• 28:51
  your
• 28:51
  nets
• 28:51
  about
• 28:52
  $2.84
• 28:54
  a
• 28:54
  block
• 28:54
  times
• 28:55
  500
• 28:55
  bucks,
• 28:55
  your
• 28:56
  net
• 28:56
  is
• 28:56
  $1,420.
• 28:59
  Yeah,
• 28:59
  yeah.
• 29:00
  So
• 29:00
  that's.
• 29:01
  I'm
• 29:01
  just
• 29:01
  trying
• 29:02
  to
• 29:02
  give
• 29:02
  people
• 29:02
  a
• 29:02
  feeling
• 29:03
  for
• 29:03
  that
• 29:03
  aspect
• 29:04
  of
• 29:04
  it.
• 29:05
  Yeah,
• 29:06
  definitely.
• 29:07
  That's
• 29:07
  the
• 29:07
  thing
• 29:07
  too,
• 29:07
  is
• 29:08
  that
• 29:09
  with
• 29:09
  print
• 29:09
  on
• 29:09
  demand
• 29:10
  books,
• 29:10
  obviously
• 29:11
  you
• 29:11
  have
• 29:11
  the
• 29:12
  royalties
• 29:12
  go
• 29:12
  into
• 29:13
  it
• 29:13
  and
• 29:13
  if
• 29:13
  you're
• 29:14
  able
• 29:14
  to
• 29:14
  carve
• 29:14
  out
• 29:14
  a
• 29:15
  good
• 29:15
  amount
• 29:15
  of
• 29:15
  royalties,
• 29:16
  I
• 29:16
  think
• 29:16
  that's
• 29:16
  fantastic.
• 29:17
  And
• 29:17
  it's
• 29:17
  an
• 29:17
  easy
• 29:17
  route
• 29:18
  too.
• 29:18
  You
• 29:18
  have
• 29:18
  to
• 29:18
  pay
• 29:18
  for
• 29:18
  storage,
• 29:19
  you
• 29:19
  have
• 29:19
  to
• 29:19
  pay
• 29:19
  for
• 29:19
  distribution.
• 29:20
  You
• 29:20
  don't
• 29:20
  have
• 29:20
  to
• 29:20
  pay
• 29:20
  for
• 29:21
  shipping.
• 29:22
  Shipping
• 29:22
  and
• 29:22
  handling
• 29:23
  it
• 29:23
  yourself.
• 29:23
  And
• 29:24
  obviously
• 29:24
  you
• 29:24
  also
• 29:25
  have
• 29:25
  the
• 29:25
  opportunities
• 29:26
  for
• 29:27
  Amazon
• 29:27
  prime
• 29:28
  and
• 29:28
  being
• 29:28
  able
• 29:28
  to
• 29:29
  send
• 29:30
  books
• 29:30
  out
• 29:30
  or
• 29:31
  deals
• 29:31
  or
• 29:31
  whatever
• 29:32
  have
• 29:32
  you
• 29:32
  that
• 29:32
  way.
• 29:32
  There's
• 29:33
  obviously
• 29:33
  a
• 29:33
  lot
• 29:33
  of
• 29:33
  the
• 29:34
  pluses
• 29:34
  when
• 29:34
  it
• 29:34
  comes
• 29:34
  to
• 29:35
  that.
• 29:35
  It's
• 29:35
  definitely
• 29:36
  a
• 29:36
  lot
• 29:36
  more
• 29:36
  streamlined.
• 29:38
  The
• 29:38
  thing
• 29:38
  about
• 29:38
  your
• 29:39
  publishing
• 29:39
  approach
• 29:39
  is
• 29:40
  you've
• 29:40
  gone
• 29:40
  the
• 29:41
  indie
• 29:41
  publishing
• 29:42
  route.
• 29:42
  So
• 29:43
  you've
• 29:43
  set
• 29:43
  up
• 29:43
  your
• 29:44
  own
• 29:44
  publishing
• 29:44
  company
• 29:45
  called
• 29:45
  Buck
• 29:46
  Publishing.
• 29:47
  Yep,
• 29:47
  exactly.
• 29:48
  So
• 29:49
  you
• 29:49
  handled
• 29:49
  all
• 29:50
  of
• 29:50
  that.
• 29:51
  You
• 29:51
  hired
• 29:52
  a
• 29:52
  book
• 29:52
  formatter,
• 29:53
  is
• 29:53
  that
• 29:53
  correct?
• 29:55
  I
• 29:55
  did
• 29:55
  not
• 29:55
  actually
• 29:56
  for
• 29:56
  the
• 29:56
  book
• 29:56
  formatting,
• 29:57
  I
• 29:57
  did
• 29:57
  everything
• 29:58
  myself
• 29:58
  and
• 29:58
  then
• 29:58
  editing.
• 29:59
  I
• 30:00
  just
• 30:00
  took
• 30:00
  beta
• 30:01
  readers
• 30:02
  and
• 30:02
  basically
• 30:03
  it
• 30:04
  was
• 30:04
  about
• 30:05
  10
• 30:05
  different
• 30:07
  moms.
• 30:07
  Because
• 30:07
  I
• 30:08
  was
• 30:08
  like
• 30:08
  my
• 30:08
  target
• 30:08
  audience
• 30:09
  was
• 30:09
  moms,
• 30:09
  but
• 30:09
  as
• 30:09
  moms
• 30:10
  in
• 30:10
  different
• 30:10
  kind
• 30:10
  of
• 30:10
  facets.
• 30:11
  I
• 30:11
  was
• 30:11
  moms
• 30:11
  and
• 30:12
  nursing.
• 30:13
  There's
• 30:13
  teachers,
• 30:14
  moms
• 30:14
  that
• 30:14
  are
• 30:14
  in
• 30:15
  the
• 30:15
  education
• 30:15
  field
• 30:16
  or
• 30:16
  like
• 30:16
  moms
• 30:16
  maybe
• 30:17
  in
• 30:17
  like
• 30:17
  tech
• 30:17
  field,
• 30:17
  but
• 30:18
  different
• 30:18
  kind
• 30:18
  of
• 30:18
  ways.
• 30:19
  But
• 30:19
  it
• 30:19
  was
• 30:19
  my
• 30:19
  target
• 30:19
  audience.
• 30:20
  Was
• 30:20
  moms.
• 30:21
  And
• 30:21
  then
• 30:21
  I
• 30:21
  had
• 30:22
  them
• 30:23
  read
• 30:23
  through
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  book,
• 30:24
  gave
• 30:24
  me
• 30:24
  their
• 30:24
  edits,
• 30:25
  their
• 30:25
  suggestions,
• 30:26
  whole
• 30:26
  nine
• 30:26
  yards.
• 30:27
  And
• 30:27
  then
• 30:27
  in
• 30:28
  return,
• 30:28
  I
• 30:29
  just
• 30:29
  sent
• 30:29
  them
• 30:29
  a
• 30:29
  copy
• 30:30
  of
• 30:31
  the
• 30:31
  book.
• 30:31
  Once
• 30:31
  everything
• 30:31
  was
• 30:32
  printed
• 30:32
  for
• 30:32
  free,
• 30:33
  you.
• 30:33
  Actually
• 30:33
  went
• 30:33
  out
• 30:34
  and
• 30:34
  found
• 30:34
  your
• 30:34
  own
• 30:34
  beta
• 30:35
  readers?
• 30:36
  Yes,
• 30:36
  I
• 30:36
  did,
• 30:37
  yeah.
• 30:37
  And
• 30:38
  then
• 30:38
  you
• 30:38
  just
• 30:38
  offered
• 30:39
  them
• 30:39
  a
• 30:39
  copy
• 30:40
  of
• 30:40
  your
• 30:40
  finished
• 30:41
  product.
• 30:42
  I
• 30:42
  did,
• 30:42
  yeah.
• 30:43
  Oh,
• 30:43
  yep.
• 30:44
  And
• 30:45
  a
• 30:45
  lot
• 30:45
  of
• 30:45
  them
• 30:45
  were
• 30:45
  just
• 30:46
  very
• 30:47
  happy
• 30:47
  just
• 30:47
  to
• 30:48
  do
• 30:48
  that.
• 30:48
  I
• 30:48
  was
• 30:49
  very
• 30:49
  much
• 30:49
  willing
• 30:49
  to
• 30:50
  pay
• 30:50
  them
• 30:51
  if
• 30:51
  needed
• 30:51
  because
• 30:51
  I
• 30:51
  know
• 30:52
  that
• 30:52
  sometimes
• 30:52
  better
• 30:53
  readers,
• 30:53
  you
• 30:53
  would
• 30:54
  maybe
• 30:54
  pay
• 30:55
  them
• 30:55
  or
• 30:55
  whatever,
• 30:56
  have
• 30:56
  you.
• 30:56
  But
• 30:56
  no,
• 30:57
  they
• 30:57
  were
• 30:57
  very
• 30:57
  happy
• 30:57
  just
• 30:58
  getting
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  copy
• 30:58
  of
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  book
• 30:58
  for
• 30:59
  free.
• 30:59
  Terrific.
• 30:59
  That's
• 31:00
  a
• 31:00
  great
• 31:00
  approach.
• 31:01
  I
• 31:01
  love
• 31:01
  to
• 31:01
  hear
• 31:02
  that
• 31:02
  going
• 31:02
  right
• 31:02
  to
• 31:03
  your
• 31:03
  target
• 31:04
  audience.
• 31:04
  In
• 31:05
  a
• 31:05
  sense,
• 31:05
  you're
• 31:06
  skipping
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  kids,
• 31:06
  but
• 31:07
  you're
• 31:07
  going
• 31:07
  to
• 31:07
  the
• 31:08
  parents
• 31:09
  or
• 31:09
  the
• 31:09
  grandparents
• 31:10
  that
• 31:10
  are
• 31:11
  generally
• 31:11
  reading
• 31:12
  the
• 31:12
  book
• 31:12
  to
• 31:12
  their
• 31:13
  children
• 31:13
  or
• 31:13
  grandchildren.
• 31:14
  So
• 31:15
  congratulations
• 31:16
  on
• 31:16
  doing
• 31:16
  that.
• 31:17
  Thank
• 31:17
  you.
• 31:18
  The
• 31:18
  whole
• 31:19
  idea
• 31:20
  of
• 31:20
  independent
• 31:21
  publishing
• 31:22
  and
• 31:22
  also
• 31:23
  having
• 31:23
  the
• 31:23
  skill
• 31:24
  of
• 31:24
  being
• 31:24
  an
• 31:24
  illustrator,
• 31:25
  have
• 31:26
  you
• 31:26
  thought
• 31:26
  about
• 31:27
  building
• 31:28
  your
• 31:28
  book
• 31:28
  publishing
• 31:29
  and
• 31:29
  building
• 31:30
  it
• 31:30
  out
• 31:30
  where
• 31:30
  maybe
• 31:31
  you
• 31:31
  actually
• 31:32
  help
• 31:32
  publish
• 31:33
  other
• 31:33
  children's
• 31:34
  books
• 31:35
  besides
• 31:35
  your
• 31:35
  own?
• 31:36
  Yeah,
• 31:36
  that's
• 31:37
  the
• 31:37
  thing.
• 31:37
  I've
• 31:37
  actually.
• 31:37
  I've
• 31:38
  had
• 31:38
  a
• 31:38
  few
• 31:38
  inquiries
• 31:38
  of
• 31:39
  people
• 31:39
  asking
• 31:39
  if
• 31:40
  that's
• 31:40
  something
• 31:40
  to
• 31:40
  publish
• 31:41
  underneath
• 31:41
  my
• 31:42
  umbrella.
• 31:43
  It's
• 31:43
  something
• 31:43
  to
• 31:43
  where
• 31:45
  when
• 31:45
  I
• 31:45
  was
• 31:46
  first
• 31:46
  getting
• 31:46
  started,
• 31:46
  I
• 31:47
  was
• 31:47
  new,
• 31:48
  didn't
• 31:49
  have
• 31:49
  any
• 31:49
  kind
• 31:49
  of
• 31:49
  information.
• 31:50
  I
• 31:50
  very
• 31:50
  much
• 31:50
  was
• 31:50
  looking
• 31:51
  online
• 31:51
  for
• 31:51
  different
• 31:51
  kind
• 31:52
  of
• 31:52
  information,
• 31:52
  trusting
• 31:52
  a
• 31:53
  lot
• 31:53
  of
• 31:53
  these
• 31:53
  Facebook
• 31:53
  groups.
• 31:53
  I
• 31:54
  found
• 31:54
  a
• 31:54
  lot
• 31:54
  of
• 31:54
  people
• 31:54
  that
• 31:55
  I
• 31:55
  was
• 31:55
  able
• 31:56
  to
• 31:56
  reach
• 31:56
  out
• 31:56
  to
• 31:56
  that
• 31:57
  helped
• 31:57
  me
• 31:57
  for
• 31:57
  free.
• 31:59
  So
• 32:00
  when
• 32:00
  it
• 32:00
  comes
• 32:00
  to
• 32:00
  a
• 32:00
  lot
• 32:00
  of
• 32:00
  this,
• 32:01
  like
• 32:01
  publication
• 32:02
  experience
• 32:02
  or
• 32:03
  knowledge
• 32:03
  or
• 32:03
  anything
• 32:03
  like
• 32:04
  that,
• 32:04
  I've
• 32:05
  extended
• 32:05
  out
• 32:05
  my
• 32:05
  hand
• 32:06
  and
• 32:06
  just
• 32:06
  wanted
• 32:06
  to
• 32:07
  help
• 32:07
  anyone
• 32:08
  out
• 32:08
  for
• 32:09
  free.
• 32:09
  It's
• 32:09
  something
• 32:09
  that
• 32:10
  I
• 32:10
  love.
• 32:11
  Everyone
• 32:12
  wants
• 32:12
  kind
• 32:12
  of
• 32:12
  their
• 32:12
  share,
• 32:13
  their
• 32:13
  story
• 32:13
  to
• 32:13
  be
• 32:13
  shared.
• 32:14
  Some
• 32:14
  of
• 32:15
  them
• 32:15
  might
• 32:15
  be
• 32:15
  stuck.
• 32:15
  Some
• 32:15
  of
• 32:15
  them
• 32:16
  might
• 32:16
  be
• 32:16
  stuck,
• 32:16
  obviously
• 32:16
  with
• 32:16
  the
• 32:17
  printing
• 32:17
  or
• 32:17
  when
• 32:18
  it
• 32:18
  comes
• 32:18
  to
• 32:18
  distribution
• 32:19
  or
• 32:19
  whatever
• 32:19
  have
• 32:19
  you.
• 32:20
  And
• 32:20
  I
• 32:20
  can
• 32:21
  usually
• 32:22
  try
• 32:22
  and
• 32:22
  help
• 32:22
  them
• 32:22
  talk
• 32:23
  through
• 32:23
  that
• 32:23
  process.
• 32:23
  And
• 32:24
  I
• 32:24
  feel
• 32:24
  like
• 32:24
  a
• 32:24
  lot
• 32:24
  of
• 32:24
  what
• 32:25
  you
• 32:25
  like
• 32:25
  online
• 32:25
  is,
• 32:26
  oh,
• 32:27
  yes,
• 32:27
  I'm
• 32:27
  more
• 32:27
  than
• 32:28
  happy
• 32:28
  to
• 32:28
  help
• 32:28
  you
• 32:29
  DM
• 32:29
  me
• 32:29
  or
• 32:29
  reach
• 32:30
  out.
• 32:30
  And
• 32:30
  then
• 32:30
  sure
• 32:30
  enough,
• 32:30
  they
• 32:31
  reach
• 32:31
  out
• 32:31
  and
• 32:31
  they're
• 32:31
  like,
• 32:31
  oh,
• 32:32
  so
• 32:32
  if
• 32:32
  you
• 32:32
  want
• 32:32
  to
• 32:32
  know
• 32:32
  more
• 32:33
  information,
• 32:33
  it's
• 32:33
  going
• 32:33
  to
• 32:33
  be
• 32:34
  X
• 32:34
  amount
• 32:35
  of
• 32:35
  dollars
• 32:35
  or
• 32:36
  yes,
• 32:36
  whatever
• 32:37
  have
• 32:37
  you.
• 32:37
  So
• 32:37
  I
• 32:37
  just
• 32:38
  want
• 32:39
  to
• 32:39
  help
• 32:39
  the
• 32:39
  next
• 32:39
  author
• 32:40
  just
• 32:40
  be
• 32:41
  able
• 32:41
  to
• 32:41
  do
• 32:41
  this
• 32:41
  successfully
• 32:42
  or
• 32:42
  at
• 32:42
  least
• 32:42
  give
• 32:43
  them
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  options
• 32:43
  of
• 32:44
  this
• 32:45
  was
• 32:45
  my
• 32:45
  experience.
• 32:46
  This
• 32:46
  is
• 32:46
  what
• 32:47
  I
• 32:47
  know
• 32:47
  so
• 32:47
  far
• 32:47
  about
• 32:48
  this.
• 32:48
  I
• 32:48
  just
• 32:48
  want
• 32:48
  you
• 32:49
  to
• 32:49
  choose
• 32:49
  the
• 32:49
  best
• 32:49
  path
• 32:49
  for
• 32:50
  you.
• 32:50
  And
• 32:50
  that's
• 32:51
  one
• 32:51
  of
• 32:51
  the
• 32:51
  reasons
• 32:51
  we
• 32:52
  have
• 32:52
  our
• 32:52
  show.
• 32:53
  We're
• 32:53
  also
• 32:54
  independently
• 32:55
  published.
• 32:55
  The
• 32:56
  name
• 32:56
  of
• 32:56
  our
• 32:56
  company
• 32:56
  is
• 32:57
  Caboose,
• 32:57
  the
• 32:58
  Rocky
• 32:58
  Mountain
• 32:58
  Bear
• 32:59
  Publishing
• 32:59
  Den.
• 33:00
  And
• 33:01
  we
• 33:01
  have
• 33:01
  our
• 33:01
  own
• 33:02
  company
• 33:02
  and
• 33:03
  we
• 33:03
  do
• 33:03
  our
• 33:03
  own
• 33:03
  publishing.
• 33:04
  And
• 33:04
  at
• 33:04
  this
• 33:04
  point
• 33:05
  we're
• 33:05
  just
• 33:05
  publishing
• 33:06
  our
• 33:06
  own
• 33:06
  books
• 33:07
  and
• 33:08
  with
• 33:08
  the
• 33:08
  podcast
• 33:09
  show,
• 33:10
  having
• 33:10
  guests
• 33:11
  on
• 33:11
  like
• 33:11
  you.
• 33:11
  And
• 33:12
  that's
• 33:12
  why
• 33:12
  I
• 33:13
  love
• 33:13
  it
• 33:13
  when
• 33:13
  I
• 33:13
  can
• 33:14
  drill
• 33:14
  it
• 33:14
  down
• 33:14
  with
• 33:15
  you
• 33:15
  and
• 33:16
  you
• 33:16
  don't
• 33:16
  mind
• 33:16
  sharing
• 33:17
  so
• 33:17
  that
• 33:18
  you
• 33:18
  know
• 33:18
  anybody
• 33:18
  who's
• 33:19
  an
• 33:19
  aspiring
• 33:19
  children's
• 33:20
  book
• 33:20
  author,
• 33:21
  we
• 33:22
  take
• 33:22
  away
• 33:22
  a
• 33:22
  little
• 33:23
  bit
• 33:23
  of
• 33:23
  the
• 33:23
  mystique
• 33:24
  and
• 33:26
  help
• 33:26
  them
• 33:26
  out.
• 33:26
  Also
• 33:27
  for
• 33:27
  people
• 33:27
  to
• 33:27
  understand
• 33:28
  that
• 33:29
  you
• 33:29
  can
• 33:29
  spend
• 33:30
  a
• 33:30
  lot
• 33:30
  of
• 33:30
  money
• 33:31
  getting
• 33:32
  your
• 33:32
  book
• 33:33
  self
• 33:33
  published
• 33:34
  because
• 33:34
  you
• 33:35
  can
• 33:35
  see
• 33:35
  where
• 33:35
  the
• 33:35
  fees
• 33:36
  go
• 33:36
  from
• 33:37
  12
• 33:38
  to
• 33:38
  $20,000
• 33:39
  just
• 33:40
  to
• 33:40
  bring
• 33:40
  your
• 33:41
  book
• 33:41
  into
• 33:42
  the
• 33:42
  world
• 33:43
  going
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  self
• 33:44
  published
• 33:44
  route.
• 33:45
  And
• 33:45
  so
• 33:46
  it
• 33:46
  can
• 33:46
  be
• 33:46
  very
• 33:47
  expensive
• 33:47
  venture.
• 33:48
  And
• 33:48
  I've
• 33:49
  said
• 33:49
  this
• 33:49
  before,
• 33:50
  nobody
• 33:50
  becomes
• 33:51
  a
• 33:51
  children's
• 33:51
  book
• 33:51
  author
• 33:52
  for
• 33:52
  fame
• 33:52
  and
• 33:53
  fortune.
• 33:54
  No,
• 33:54
  it's
• 33:55
  very
• 33:55
  real.
• 33:56
  And
• 33:57
  just
• 33:57
  seeing
• 33:57
  just
• 33:58
  everyone
• 33:58
  online,
• 33:59
  just
• 33:59
  trying
• 33:59
  to
• 33:59
  ask,
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  would
• 34:00
  be
• 34:00
  so
• 34:00
  excited
• 34:00
  to
• 34:01
  sell
• 34:01
  20
• 34:01
  copies
• 34:01
  or
• 34:02
  30
• 34:02
  copies
• 34:02
  or
• 34:02
  whatever
• 34:03
  have
• 34:03
  you.
• 34:03
  It's,
• 34:03
  you
• 34:03
  know,
• 34:03
  that's.
• 34:04
  Or
• 34:04
  the
• 34:04
  ones
• 34:05
  that
• 34:05
  say,
• 34:05
  I'm
• 34:05
  just
• 34:05
  so
• 34:06
  excited
• 34:06
  when
• 34:06
  I
• 34:06
  have
• 34:06
  that
• 34:07
  one
• 34:07
  child
• 34:08
  that
• 34:08
  picks
• 34:08
  up
• 34:09
  my
• 34:09
  book.
• 34:09
  Because
• 34:10
  at
• 34:10
  the
• 34:10
  end
• 34:10
  of
• 34:10
  the
• 34:10
  day,
• 34:11
  if
• 34:11
  I
• 34:11
  sold
• 34:11
  one
• 34:11
  book
• 34:11
  at
• 34:12
  that
• 34:12
  vendor
• 34:12
  booth
• 34:13
  event,
• 34:14
  that
• 34:14
  means
• 34:14
  that
• 34:14
  one
• 34:15
  kid
• 34:15
  is
• 34:15
  going
• 34:15
  to
• 34:15
  go
• 34:15
  home
• 34:16
  tonight
• 34:16
  and
• 34:16
  read
• 34:16
  my
• 34:16
  story,
• 34:17
  my
• 34:17
  words,
• 34:18
  and
• 34:18
  see
• 34:19
  my
• 34:19
  pictures.
• 34:19
  And
• 34:20
  that
• 34:20
  I
• 34:20
  think
• 34:20
  is
• 34:20
  the
• 34:21
  most
• 34:21
  intrinsic
• 34:21
  value,
• 34:22
  that
• 34:22
  being
• 34:23
  a
• 34:23
  children's
• 34:23
  book
• 34:24
  author
• 34:24
  really
• 34:24
  truly
• 34:25
  brings
• 34:25
  things
• 34:26
  to
• 34:26
  this
• 34:27
  field.
• 34:27
  It
• 34:27
  should
• 34:27
  be
• 34:28
  the
• 34:28
  goal.
• 34:28
  Yeah.
• 34:29
  If
• 34:29
  you're
• 34:29
  like,
• 34:30
  this
• 34:30
  is
• 34:30
  it.
• 34:31
  I'm
• 34:31
  about
• 34:31
  to
• 34:31
  make
• 34:32
  millions
• 34:32
  in
• 34:33
  this
• 34:33
  field.
• 34:33
  Fortunately,
• 34:34
  I
• 34:34
  feel
• 34:34
  like
• 34:34
  Dr.
• 34:34
  Seuss
• 34:35
  did
• 34:35
  it.
• 34:35
  And
• 34:35
  then
• 34:35
  Jake,
• 34:36
  I
• 34:36
  know
• 34:36
  exactly
• 34:37
  what
• 34:37
  you're
• 34:37
  saying,
• 34:37
  the
• 34:38
  skill
• 34:38
  that
• 34:38
  you
• 34:38
  have.
• 34:39
  And
• 34:40
  again,
• 34:40
  like
• 34:40
  I
• 34:40
  said,
• 34:40
  I've
• 34:41
  talked
• 34:41
  to
• 34:41
  over
• 34:41
  60
• 34:42
  children's
• 34:42
  book
• 34:43
  authors.
• 34:43
  Very
• 34:44
  few
• 34:44
  of
• 34:44
  them
• 34:44
  have
• 34:45
  the
• 34:45
  ability
• 34:46
  to
• 34:46
  be
• 34:46
  their
• 34:46
  own
• 34:46
  illustrator.
• 34:48
  In
• 34:48
  less
• 34:48
  than
• 34:48
  a
• 34:49
  handful,
• 34:49
  that's
• 34:49
  how
• 34:50
  many
• 34:50
  author
• 34:50
  illustrators
• 34:51
  I've
• 34:51
  talked
• 34:52
  to.
• 34:52
  So
• 34:52
  you
• 34:52
  have
• 34:53
  a
• 34:53
  unique
• 34:53
  skill
• 34:53
  there.
• 34:54
  And
• 34:55
  if
• 34:55
  you've
• 34:56
  started
• 34:56
  your
• 34:56
  own
• 34:56
  publishing
• 34:57
  company
• 34:57
  and
• 34:57
  it's
• 34:58
  something
• 34:58
  that
• 34:58
  you
• 34:58
  want
• 34:58
  to
• 34:59
  pursue,
• 35:00
  if
• 35:00
  you
• 35:00
  listen
• 35:00
  to
• 35:01
  any
• 35:01
  of
• 35:01
  our
• 35:01
  episodes,
• 35:02
  a
• 35:02
  lot
• 35:02
  of
• 35:03
  people
• 35:03
  are
• 35:03
  going
• 35:04
  to
• 35:04
  Europe
• 35:05
  for
• 35:05
  their
• 35:06
  illustrators.
• 35:07
  A
• 35:08
  lot
• 35:08
  of
• 35:08
  Americans
• 35:09
  find
• 35:10
  Canadians,
• 35:10
  a
• 35:11
  lot
• 35:11
  of
• 35:11
  Canadians
• 35:11
  find
• 35:12
  American
• 35:12
  illustrators.
• 35:13
  It's
• 35:13
  global.
• 35:14
  To
• 35:15
  actually
• 35:15
  have
• 35:15
  that
• 35:16
  skill
• 35:16
  as
• 35:16
  an
• 35:16
  illustrator,
• 35:18
  I
• 35:18
  think
• 35:18
  you'd
• 35:19
  find
• 35:19
  there's
• 35:20
  quite
• 35:20
  a
• 35:20
  demand
• 35:21
  for
• 35:21
  that.
• 35:21
  And
• 35:21
  then
• 35:21
  if
• 35:22
  you're
• 35:22
  a
• 35:22
  published
• 35:22
  children's
• 35:23
  book
• 35:23
  author,
• 35:24
  people
• 35:24
  can
• 35:25
  see
• 35:25
  how
• 35:25
  you've
• 35:26
  used
• 35:26
  your
• 35:26
  skill
• 35:27
  to
• 35:27
  bring
• 35:27
  a
• 35:28
  book
• 35:28
  to
• 35:28
  life.
• 35:29
  So
• 35:29
  congrats.
• 35:29
  Thank
• 35:30
  you.
• 35:30
  I
• 35:30
  appreciate
• 35:30
  that.
• 35:30
  I
• 35:31
  was
• 35:31
  going
• 35:31
  to
• 35:31
  say,
• 35:31
  being
• 35:31
  part
• 35:32
  of
• 35:32
  this
• 35:32
  field,
• 35:33
  there
• 35:33
  are
• 35:34
  a
• 35:34
  lot
• 35:35
  of
• 35:35
  talented
• 35:35
  people
• 35:36
  out
• 35:36
  there
• 35:36
  with
• 35:37
  the
• 35:37
  different
• 35:37
  kind
• 35:37
  of
• 35:37
  illustrations.
• 35:38
  And
• 35:38
  sometimes
• 35:39
  I
• 35:39
  look
• 35:40
  at
• 35:40
  them
• 35:40
  like,
• 35:41
  is
• 35:41
  good
• 35:41
  for
• 35:41
  you
• 35:42
  and.
• 35:42
  But
• 35:42
  sometimes
• 35:42
  a
• 35:42
  lot
• 35:42
  of
• 35:42
  these
• 35:43
  illustrators,
• 35:44
  like,
• 35:44
  I
• 35:45
  have
• 35:45
  like
• 35:45
  a
• 35:45
  hard
• 35:45
  time
• 35:45
  either
• 35:46
  finding
• 35:47
  the
• 35:47
  right
• 35:48
  client
• 35:48
  or
• 35:48
  finding
• 35:49
  a
• 35:49
  client
• 35:49
  that
• 35:49
  they
• 35:50
  can
• 35:50
  actually
• 35:50
  fully
• 35:52
  get
• 35:52
  what
• 35:52
  they
• 35:52
  deserve
• 35:53
  to
• 35:54
  create
• 35:54
  this
• 35:54
  book.
• 35:54
  I'm
• 35:55
  very
• 35:55
  blessed
• 35:55
  that
• 35:56
  I
• 35:56
  was
• 35:56
  able
• 35:57
  to
• 35:57
  illustrate
• 35:57
  my
• 35:57
  own
• 35:58
  book
• 35:58
  and
• 35:58
  that
• 35:59
  my
• 35:59
  little
• 35:59
  chicken
• 36:00
  scratches
• 36:00
  turn
• 36:01
  out
• 36:01
  to
• 36:01
  be
• 36:01
  okay.
• 36:02
  It's
• 36:02
  beautiful
• 36:02
  book.
• 36:03
  Thank
• 36:03
  you.
• 36:04
  But
• 36:04
  I
• 36:04
  think
• 36:04
  also
• 36:04
  to
• 36:04
  go
• 36:05
  back
• 36:05
  to
• 36:05
  your
• 36:05
  publication
• 36:06
  question,
• 36:06
  when
• 36:07
  it
• 36:07
  comes
• 36:07
  to
• 36:07
  that
• 36:07
  having
• 36:07
  other
• 36:07
  people
• 36:08
  underneath,
• 36:08
  that's
• 36:08
  something
• 36:08
  where
• 36:09
  that
• 36:09
  would
• 36:10
  be
• 36:10
  fantastic.
• 36:11
  I
• 36:11
  would
• 36:11
  love
• 36:11
  that.
• 36:11
  I'd
• 36:11
  love
• 36:12
  to
• 36:12
  help
• 36:12
  them
• 36:12
  out.
• 36:12
  Whether
• 36:13
  as
• 36:13
  a
• 36:13
  publication
• 36:13
  company,
• 36:14
  help
• 36:14
  them
• 36:14
  illustrate
• 36:14
  their
• 36:15
  book
• 36:15
  or
• 36:16
  help
• 36:16
  them
• 36:16
  get
• 36:17
  it
• 36:17
  published.
• 36:17
  But
• 36:17
  at
• 36:18
  the
• 36:18
  same
• 36:18
  time,
• 36:18
  too,
• 36:18
  for
• 36:19
  the
• 36:19
  most
• 36:19
  part,
• 36:19
  when
• 36:19
  I
• 36:19
  started
• 36:20
  my
• 36:20
  publication
• 36:20
  company,
• 36:22
  it's
• 36:22
  $50
• 36:22
  to
• 36:23
  start
• 36:23
  an
• 36:23
  LLC
• 36:24
  in
• 36:25
  Colorado.
• 36:25
  So
• 36:26
  it
• 36:26
  was
• 36:26
  one
• 36:26
  of
• 36:26
  these
• 36:26
  where
• 36:26
  that
• 36:27
  was
• 36:27
  the
• 36:27
  initial
• 36:27
  cost.
• 36:28
  And
• 36:28
  I
• 36:28
  luckily
• 36:29
  I
• 36:29
  have
• 36:30
  the
• 36:30
  illustration
• 36:31
  experience.
• 36:31
  I
• 36:31
  was
• 36:32
  able
• 36:32
  to
• 36:32
  do
• 36:32
  a
• 36:32
  lot
• 36:32
  of
• 36:32
  kind
• 36:32
  of
• 36:32
  stuff
• 36:33
  myself.
• 36:33
  It's
• 36:33
  one
• 36:33
  of
• 36:33
  these
• 36:34
  were
• 36:34
  like,
• 36:35
  I
• 36:35
  would
• 36:35
  gladly
• 36:37
  love
• 36:37
  to
• 36:37
  help
• 36:38
  anyone
• 36:38
  like
• 36:38
  in
• 36:39
  those
• 36:39
  kind
• 36:39
  of
• 36:39
  fields,
• 36:39
  but
• 36:39
  if
• 36:40
  they're
• 36:40
  like,
• 36:40
  oh,
• 36:40
  I'm
• 36:40
  just
• 36:40
  looking
• 36:40
  for
• 36:41
  a
• 36:41
  publication
• 36:42
  company,
• 36:42
  it's
• 36:42
  go
• 36:42
  do
• 36:43
  it.
• 36:43
  Go
• 36:43
  start
• 36:44
  your
• 36:44
  own.
• 36:45
  If
• 36:45
  you
• 36:45
  got
• 36:45
  your
• 36:46
  heart
• 36:46
  set
• 36:46
  on
• 36:47
  having
• 36:47
  a
• 36:47
  brand,
• 36:48
  build
• 36:48
  your
• 36:49
  brand.
• 36:49
  Absolutely.
• 36:50
  And
• 36:50
  there's
• 36:51
  no
• 36:51
  question.
• 36:51
  And
• 36:51
  that's
• 36:52
  how
• 36:52
  we
• 36:52
  started
• 36:52
  is
• 36:53
  because
• 36:54
  it's
• 36:54
  like
• 36:54
  that
• 36:55
  old
• 36:55
  saying,
• 36:55
  I
• 36:56
  didn't
• 36:56
  know
• 36:56
  any
• 36:56
  better,
• 36:58
  so
• 36:58
  I
• 36:58
  just
• 36:58
  went
• 36:58
  and
• 36:58
  did
• 36:59
  it.
• 36:59
  Yeah,
• 37:00
  exactly.
• 37:00
  That's
• 37:00
  one
• 37:01
  of
• 37:01
  the
• 37:01
  attractions
• 37:01
  of
• 37:02
  this
• 37:02
  show,
• 37:03
  is
• 37:03
  for
• 37:03
  people
• 37:03
  to
• 37:04
  understand
• 37:04
  that
• 37:05
  answer
• 37:06
  some
• 37:06
  of
• 37:06
  those
• 37:06
  questions.
• 37:07
  But
• 37:07
  at
• 37:07
  the
• 37:08
  end
• 37:08
  of
• 37:08
  the
• 37:08
  day,
• 37:08
  you
• 37:09
  still
• 37:09
  have
• 37:09
  to
• 37:09
  put
• 37:09
  one
• 37:10
  foot
• 37:10
  forward
• 37:10
  and
• 37:11
  take
• 37:11
  some
• 37:11
  action.
• 37:12
  Yes,
• 37:13
  for
• 37:13
  sure.
• 37:13
  Talk
• 37:14
  to
• 37:14
  us
• 37:14
  about
• 37:14
  your
• 37:15
  website
• 37:15
  for
• 37:16
  a
• 37:16
  moment.
• 37:16
  Because
• 37:17
  you
• 37:18
  being
• 37:18
  as
• 37:18
  creative
• 37:19
  as
• 37:19
  you
• 37:19
  are
• 37:19
  and
• 37:20
  being
• 37:20
  an
• 37:20
  illustrator,
• 37:21
  did
• 37:21
  you
• 37:21
  put
• 37:21
  your
• 37:22
  whole
• 37:22
  website
• 37:23
  together
• 37:23
  on
• 37:23
  your
• 37:23
  own?
• 37:24
  I
• 37:25
  did.
• 37:25
  I
• 37:25
  just
• 37:25
  a
• 37:25
  little
• 37:25
  bit
• 37:25
  about
• 37:26
  myself.
• 37:26
  I
• 37:26
  started
• 37:26
  my
• 37:27
  own
• 37:27
  advertising
• 37:27
  firm
• 37:28
  five,
• 37:29
  six,
• 37:29
  seven
• 37:29
  years
• 37:29
  ago,
• 37:30
  stuff
• 37:30
  like
• 37:30
  that,
• 37:30
  which
• 37:31
  was
• 37:31
  a
• 37:31
  lot
• 37:32
  of
• 37:32
  website
• 37:32
  design,
• 37:33
  SEO
• 37:34
  and
• 37:35
  email
• 37:35
  marketing,
• 37:36
  a
• 37:36
  lot
• 37:36
  of
• 37:36
  different
• 37:36
  kind
• 37:36
  of
• 37:36
  marketing
• 37:37
  tactics.
• 37:37
  So
• 37:38
  website
• 37:38
  design
• 37:39
  was
• 37:39
  something
• 37:39
  that
• 37:39
  I
• 37:39
  already
• 37:40
  had
• 37:40
  some
• 37:40
  experience
• 37:40
  in,
• 37:41
  and
• 37:42
  it
• 37:42
  was
• 37:42
  something
• 37:42
  where
• 37:42
  I
• 37:43
  knew
• 37:44
  exactly
• 37:44
  what
• 37:44
  I
• 37:45
  wanted
• 37:45
  to
• 37:45
  do
• 37:45
  for
• 37:45
  my
• 37:46
  website.
• 37:46
  I
• 37:46
  wanted
• 37:46
  to
• 37:46
  build
• 37:47
  that
• 37:47
  comfortable
• 37:48
  feel
• 37:50
  for
• 37:50
  my
• 37:50
  book.
• 37:50
  I
• 37:51
  wanted
• 37:51
  that
• 37:51
  almost
• 37:52
  that
• 37:53
  not
• 37:53
  just
• 37:53
  the
• 37:54
  image
• 37:54
  of
• 37:54
  hey,
• 37:54
  here's
• 37:54
  a
• 37:54
  book,
• 37:55
  but
• 37:55
  just
• 37:55
  a
• 37:55
  feeling
• 37:56
  right
• 37:57
  through
• 37:57
  there.
• 37:57
  I
• 37:57
  developed
• 37:58
  my
• 37:58
  website
• 37:58
  through
• 37:58
  Squarespace.
• 37:59
  I
• 38:00
  mean
• 38:00
  I'm
• 38:00
  not
• 38:00
  going
• 38:00
  to
• 38:00
  pretend
• 38:00
  I
• 38:01
  know
• 38:01
  coding
• 38:01
  and
• 38:02
  did
• 38:02
  everything
• 38:02
  manually,
• 38:03
  but
• 38:03
  definitely
• 38:04
  Squarespace
• 38:04
  has
• 38:05
  been
• 38:06
  great
• 38:06
  just
• 38:06
  for
• 38:06
  a
• 38:06
  simple
• 38:07
  product.
• 38:07
  I
• 38:08
  also
• 38:08
  know
• 38:08
  too
• 38:08
  that
• 38:09
  a
• 38:09
  lot
• 38:09
  of
• 38:09
  people
• 38:09
  tossed
• 38:10
  out
• 38:10
  there
• 38:10
  when
• 38:11
  you're
• 38:11
  first
• 38:11
  time
• 38:11
  publisher
• 38:12
  and
• 38:12
  you
• 38:12
  only
• 38:12
  have
• 38:12
  one
• 38:13
  book,
• 38:13
  a
• 38:13
  lot
• 38:13
  of
• 38:13
  people
• 38:13
  are
• 38:14
  out
• 38:14
  there
• 38:14
  saying,
• 38:14
  yeah,
• 38:14
  you
• 38:14
  don't
• 38:15
  need
• 38:15
  a
• 38:15
  website,
• 38:15
  especially
• 38:16
  if
• 38:16
  you
• 38:16
  do
• 38:16
  print
• 38:17
  or
• 38:17
  publish
• 38:17
  through
• 38:18
  kdp,
• 38:18
  they
• 38:18
  have
• 38:19
  the
• 38:19
  author
• 38:19
  page.
• 38:19
  So
• 38:19
  you
• 38:19
  can
• 38:20
  build
• 38:20
  your
• 38:20
  own
• 38:20
  internal
• 38:21
  website
• 38:21
  through
• 38:22
  there.
• 38:23
  But
• 38:23
  something
• 38:23
  to
• 38:24
  where
• 38:24
  like
• 38:24
  we
• 38:25
  were
• 38:25
  just
• 38:25
  talking
• 38:25
  about
• 38:25
  is
• 38:26
  if
• 38:26
  you
• 38:26
  want
• 38:26
  to
• 38:27
  go
• 38:27
  for
• 38:27
  it.
• 38:27
  And
• 38:27
  I
• 38:28
  wanted
• 38:28
  to
• 38:28
  build
• 38:29
  my
• 38:29
  own
• 38:29
  website
• 38:30
  to
• 38:30
  show
• 38:31
  credibility
• 38:31
  and
• 38:32
  validity
• 38:32
  to
• 38:33
  my
• 38:33
  book
• 38:33
  and
• 38:33
  to
• 38:33
  my
• 38:34
  publication
• 38:34
  company.
• 38:35
  Decided
• 38:35
  to
• 38:36
  jump
• 38:36
  in.
• 38:36
  Tell
• 38:37
  us
• 38:37
  how
• 38:37
  you
• 38:37
  used
• 38:37
  your
• 38:38
  website
• 38:38
  to
• 38:39
  launch
• 38:39
  your
• 38:39
  book
• 38:40
  or
• 38:41
  did
• 38:41
  your
• 38:41
  website
• 38:42
  come
• 38:43
  after
• 38:43
  your
• 38:43
  book
• 38:44
  launch,
• 38:45
  which
• 38:45
  came
• 38:45
  first?
• 38:46
  Website
• 38:47
  was
• 38:47
  there
• 38:47
  first
• 38:48
  and
• 38:49
  from
• 38:49
  there.
• 38:49
  Yeah,
• 38:49
  it
• 38:50
  was
• 38:50
  basically
• 38:50
  like
• 38:50
  I
• 38:50
  said,
• 38:50
  showing
• 38:51
  the
• 38:51
  credibility
• 38:52
  of
• 38:52
  it.
• 38:53
  So
• 38:53
  a
• 38:53
  lot
• 38:54
  what
• 38:54
  I
• 38:54
  did
• 38:55
  is
• 38:55
  I
• 38:55
  did
• 38:55
  a
• 38:55
  lot
• 38:55
  of
• 38:55
  the
• 38:56
  SEO,
• 38:57
  did
• 38:57
  keywords,
• 38:58
  key
• 38:58
  phrases,
• 38:58
  built
• 38:59
  a
• 38:59
  lot
• 38:59
  of
• 39:00
  imagery
• 39:01
  and
• 39:01
  basically
• 39:01
  all
• 39:02
  of
• 39:02
  my
• 39:02
  descriptions
• 39:02
  to
• 39:03
  be
• 39:03
  bug
• 39:03
  hug,
• 39:04
  children's
• 39:04
  books,
• 39:05
  mother
• 39:05
  daughter
• 39:06
  relationships,
• 39:06
  if
• 39:07
  that's
• 39:07
  about
• 39:07
  my
• 39:07
  book,
• 39:08
  for
• 39:08
  all
• 39:08
  the
• 39:08
  readers
• 39:08
  out
• 39:08
  there
• 39:09
  haven't
• 39:09
  read
• 39:09
  it
• 39:09
  yet,
• 39:09
  but
• 39:10
  basically
• 39:10
  building
• 39:10
  up
• 39:11
  awareness
• 39:11
  to
• 39:12
  it
• 39:12
  and
• 39:12
  then
• 39:12
  launching
• 39:13
  my
• 39:13
  Instagram
• 39:14
  page
• 39:14
  and
• 39:14
  same
• 39:14
  kind
• 39:15
  of
• 39:15
  thing
• 39:15
  as
• 39:16
  building
• 39:17
  the
• 39:17
  excitement,
• 39:18
  the
• 39:18
  awareness.
• 39:18
  And
• 39:19
  if
• 39:19
  people
• 39:19
  are
• 39:19
  like,
• 39:19
  wow,
• 39:20
  this
• 39:20
  looks
• 39:20
  great
• 39:20
  on
• 39:21
  Instagram,
• 39:22
  I
• 39:22
  want
• 39:23
  to
• 39:23
  see
• 39:23
  what
• 39:23
  the
• 39:23
  website
• 39:24
  looks
• 39:24
  like.
• 39:24
  And
• 39:24
  then
• 39:25
  as
• 39:25
  they
• 39:25
  say
• 39:25
  a
• 39:26
  website
• 39:26
  is
• 39:27
  a
• 39:27
  digital
• 39:28
  resume
• 39:28
  nowadays
• 39:29
  people
• 39:29
  want
• 39:30
  to
• 39:30
  see
• 39:30
  the
• 39:30
  validity
• 39:31
  of
• 39:31
  who
• 39:31
  this
• 39:32
  person
• 39:32
  is
• 39:32
  or
• 39:33
  this
• 39:33
  validity
• 39:33
  of
• 39:34
  this
• 39:34
  company.
• 39:34
  They
• 39:34
  usually
• 39:34
  go
• 39:34
  to
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  website
• 39:35
  and
• 39:35
  the
• 39:36
  website
• 39:36
  looks
• 39:37
  good,
• 39:38
  usually
• 39:39
  speaks
• 39:40
  a
• 39:40
  lot
• 39:40
  more
• 39:40
  than
• 39:40
  just
• 39:40
  what
• 39:40
  the
• 39:40
  words
• 39:41
  say.
• 39:41
  So
• 39:41
  I
• 39:41
  definitely
• 39:41
  I
• 39:42
  launched
• 39:42
  Instagram
• 39:43
  and
• 39:43
  I
• 39:43
  launched
• 39:43
  my
• 39:44
  website.
• 39:44
  I
• 39:44
  made
• 39:44
  sure
• 39:44
  everything
• 39:45
  on
• 39:45
  my
• 39:45
  ducks
• 39:45
  were
• 39:45
  in
• 39:45
  a
• 39:46
  row
• 39:46
  to
• 39:46
  make
• 39:46
  it
• 39:46
  like,
• 39:47
  all
• 39:47
  right,
• 39:47
  this
• 39:47
  is
• 39:47
  a
• 39:48
  big
• 39:48
  deal,
• 39:48
  this
• 39:49
  book
• 39:49
  is
• 39:49
  coming
• 39:49
  out
• 39:49
  and
• 39:50
  went
• 39:50
  on
• 39:50
  from
• 39:51
  there.
• 39:51
  We
• 39:52
  talked
• 39:52
  about
• 39:52
  your
• 39:53
  daughter
• 39:53
  being
• 39:53
  the
• 39:54
  motivation
• 39:54
  behind
• 39:55
  the
• 39:55
  book,
• 39:56
  which
• 39:56
  I
• 39:56
  love,
• 39:57
  because
• 39:57
  actually
• 39:58
  in
• 39:59
  our
• 39:59
  first
• 39:59
  book,
• 40:01
  my
• 40:01
  oldest
• 40:01
  granddaughter,
• 40:02
  her
• 40:02
  name
• 40:02
  is
• 40:03
  Kira
• 40:04
  and
• 40:04
  she
• 40:04
  was
• 40:04
  the
• 40:05
  inspiration
• 40:05
  behind
• 40:06
  our
• 40:06
  character
• 40:07
  Caboose.
• 40:07
  So
• 40:08
  that's
• 40:08
  why
• 40:08
  when
• 40:09
  you
• 40:09
  look
• 40:09
  at
• 40:09
  the
• 40:10
  named
• 40:10
  Caboose,
• 40:12
  it's
• 40:12
  not
• 40:12
  a
• 40:12
  C,
• 40:13
  it's
• 40:13
  a
• 40:13
  K
• 40:13
  and
• 40:13
  the
• 40:14
  K
• 40:14
  stands
• 40:14
  for
• 40:14
  Kira.
• 40:15
  I
• 40:16
  love
• 40:16
  that.
• 40:16
  Yeah,
• 40:16
  that's
• 40:17
  awesome.
• 40:17
  So
• 40:17
  much
• 40:18
  fun.
• 40:18
  And
• 40:19
  in
• 40:19
  our
• 40:20
  second
• 40:20
  book,
• 40:21
  my
• 40:21
  middle
• 40:22
  granddaughter
• 40:24
  chose
• 40:24
  a
• 40:24
  beaver
• 40:25
  as
• 40:25
  her
• 40:25
  character
• 40:26
  in
• 40:26
  our
• 40:26
  second
• 40:27
  book
• 40:27
  and
• 40:28
  her
• 40:28
  name's
• 40:28
  Bailey.
• 40:29
  So
• 40:29
  it's
• 40:30
  Bailey
• 40:30
  the
• 40:30
  beaver.
• 40:32
  My
• 40:33
  oldest
• 40:33
  grandson
• 40:34
  wanted
• 40:34
  to
• 40:34
  be
• 40:35
  a
• 40:36
  red
• 40:36
  hawk,
• 40:37
  and
• 40:37
  so
• 40:37
  we
• 40:37
  named
• 40:38
  the
• 40:38
  red
• 40:38
  hawk
• 40:38
  Leland
• 40:39
  because
• 40:39
  that's
• 40:40
  his
• 40:40
  name.
• 40:41
  I
• 40:41
  love
• 40:41
  that.
• 40:42
  That's
• 40:42
  perfect.
• 40:43
  Yeah.
• 40:43
  So
• 40:44
  actually
• 40:45
  I
• 40:45
  have
• 40:45
  five
• 40:45
  grandchildren,
• 40:46
  and
• 40:47
  they
• 40:47
  all
• 40:47
  chose
• 40:48
  characters
• 40:49
  that
• 40:49
  are
• 40:50
  natural
• 40:50
  to
• 40:51
  the
• 40:51
  Rocky
• 40:51
  Mountains.
• 40:53
  And
• 40:53
  then
• 40:53
  they
• 40:54
  chose
• 40:54
  the
• 40:54
  animal,
• 40:55
  and
• 40:55
  then
• 40:55
  we
• 40:55
  named
• 40:56
  the
• 40:56
  animal
• 40:57
  character
• 40:57
  after
• 40:58
  them.
• 40:59
  I
• 40:59
  love
• 40:59
  that.
• 41:00
  That's
• 41:00
  perfect.
• 41:01
  Yeah.
• 41:01
  So
• 41:02
  it's
• 41:02
  fun.
• 41:03
  So
• 41:03
  tell
• 41:03
  us
• 41:04
  a
• 41:04
  little
• 41:04
  bit
• 41:04
  about.
• 41:04
  Because
• 41:05
  I
• 41:05
  want
• 41:05
  to
• 41:05
  talk
• 41:06
  to
• 41:06
  you
• 41:06
  about
• 41:06
  your
• 41:06
  main
• 41:06
  character,
• 41:07
  Small
• 41:08
  Bug,
• 41:09
  and
• 41:11
  knowing
• 41:11
  that
• 41:11
  your
• 41:11
  daughter
• 41:12
  was
• 41:13
  the
• 41:13
  motivation
• 41:14
  behind
• 41:14
  the
• 41:14
  book.
• 41:15
  But
• 41:15
  I'm
• 41:15
  really
• 41:16
  curious
• 41:16
  on,
• 41:17
  did
• 41:18
  she
• 41:18
  have
• 41:18
  a
• 41:19
  fascination
• 41:19
  with
• 41:20
  bugs,
• 41:21
  or
• 41:22
  was
• 41:22
  this
• 41:23
  something
• 41:23
  that
• 41:23
  just
• 41:24
  came
• 41:25
  to
• 41:25
  you?
• 41:27
  Yeah,
• 41:27
  she's
• 41:27
  not
• 41:28
  really
• 41:28
  a
• 41:28
  fan
• 41:28
  of
• 41:28
  bugs.
• 41:29
  Obviously,
• 41:29
  she'll
• 41:29
  be
• 41:30
  excited
• 41:30
  about
• 41:30
  the
• 41:30
  Ladybug
• 41:31
  and
• 41:31
  also
• 41:31
  like
• 41:32
  that
• 41:32
  outside
• 41:32
  and
• 41:32
  get
• 41:32
  super
• 41:33
  pumped
• 41:33
  about
• 41:33
  that.
• 41:33
  But
• 41:33
  when
• 41:34
  it
• 41:34
  came
• 41:34
  to
• 41:34
  bugs,
• 41:35
  yeah,
• 41:35
  there
• 41:35
  was
• 41:35
  no,
• 41:35
  like,
• 41:36
  I
• 41:36
  guess,
• 41:36
  affiliation
• 41:37
  with
• 41:37
  actually
• 41:38
  insects.
• 41:38
  Which
• 41:39
  is
• 41:39
  funny
• 41:39
  because
• 41:39
  I
• 41:39
  have
• 41:40
  some
• 41:40
  people
• 41:40
  that
• 41:40
  are
• 41:40
  like,
• 41:41
  oh,
• 41:41
  my
• 41:41
  God,
• 41:41
  like,
• 41:41
  my
• 41:41
  kids
• 41:42
  love
• 41:42
  insects.
• 41:43
  I'm
• 41:43
  like,
• 41:43
  that's
• 41:43
  great.
• 41:44
  But
• 41:44
  no,
• 41:45
  for
• 41:45
  the
• 41:45
  most
• 41:45
  part,
• 41:46
  it
• 41:46
  was
• 41:46
  just
• 41:46
  the
• 41:46
  nickname.
• 41:47
  I
• 41:47
  always
• 41:47
  called
• 41:47
  her
• 41:47
  Bug
• 41:48
  growing
• 41:48
  up,
• 41:48
  stuff
• 41:49
  like
• 41:49
  that,
• 41:49
  or
• 41:49
  she's
• 41:50
  growing
• 41:50
  up.
• 41:50
  And
• 41:51
  with
• 41:51
  all
• 41:51
  my
• 41:51
  manuscripts,
• 41:52
  all
• 41:52
  the
• 41:52
  characters
• 41:53
  are
• 41:53
  all
• 41:53
  the
• 41:53
  names.
• 41:54
  Kind
• 41:54
  of
• 41:54
  thing
• 41:54
  really
• 41:54
  had
• 41:55
  to
• 41:55
  do
• 41:55
  with
• 41:56
  just.
• 41:56
  Yeah.
• 41:56
  Nicknames
• 41:57
  that
• 41:57
  I've
• 41:57
  given
• 41:57
  her.
• 41:58
  So
• 41:58
  other
• 41:59
  manuscript
• 41:59
  names
• 42:00
  I
• 42:00
  have.
• 42:00
  I
• 42:00
  always
• 42:01
  called
• 42:01
  her
• 42:01
  Cheeks.
• 42:02
  So
• 42:02
  it's
• 42:02
  Cheeks
• 42:02
  the
• 42:03
  Squirrel
• 42:03
  is
• 42:03
  another
• 42:04
  manuscript.
• 42:04
  And
• 42:04
  then
• 42:05
  what
• 42:05
  I
• 42:05
  always
• 42:06
  call
• 42:06
  her
• 42:06
  Pumpkin
• 42:06
  Bear.
• 42:07
  So
• 42:07
  I
• 42:07
  have
• 42:08
  another
• 42:08
  kind
• 42:08
  of,
• 42:08
  like,
• 42:08
  Halloween
• 42:09
  manuscript
• 42:09
  written
• 42:10
  up
• 42:10
  for,
• 42:10
  like,
• 42:10
  Pumpkin
• 42:11
  Bear.
• 42:11
  Okay,
• 42:12
  terrific.
• 42:12
  I
• 42:13
  think
• 42:13
  it's
• 42:14
  so
• 42:14
  important,
• 42:15
  though,
• 42:15
  as
• 42:16
  any
• 42:16
  author
• 42:16
  should,
• 42:17
  but
• 42:17
  like,
• 42:17
  tying
• 42:18
  in
• 42:18
  personal
• 42:19
  relation
• 42:19
  to
• 42:20
  your
• 42:20
  book
• 42:21
  and
• 42:21
  having
• 42:21
  those
• 42:23
  dedications,
• 42:23
  not
• 42:24
  just
• 42:24
  at
• 42:24
  the
• 42:24
  beginning
• 42:25
  of
• 42:25
  the
• 42:25
  book,
• 42:25
  dedicated
• 42:26
  to
• 42:27
  people,
• 42:27
  but,
• 42:27
  like,
• 42:28
  dedicated
• 42:28
  to
• 42:28
  this
• 42:29
  character
• 42:29
  and
• 42:30
  dedicated
• 42:31
  to
• 42:31
  this
• 42:32
  memory
• 42:32
  or
• 42:32
  experience
• 42:33
  through
• 42:33
  your
• 42:33
  book.
• 42:33
  And
• 42:34
  it
• 42:34
  just
• 42:34
  makes
• 42:34
  it.
• 42:35
  I
• 42:35
  feel
• 42:36
  as
• 42:36
  the
• 42:36
  reader,
• 42:36
  you
• 42:36
  can
• 42:37
  tell
• 42:38
  when
• 42:38
  it's,
• 42:38
  oh,
• 42:39
  this
• 42:39
  is
• 42:39
  actually,
• 42:39
  like,
• 42:39
  meaningful.
• 42:40
  It's
• 42:40
  different.
• 42:41
  Absolutely.
• 42:42
  And
• 42:42
  it's
• 42:42
  interesting
• 42:43
  you
• 42:43
  should
• 42:43
  say
• 42:43
  that
• 42:44
  because
• 42:44
  we've
• 42:45
  written
• 42:45
  with
• 42:46
  my
• 42:47
  grandchildren.
• 42:49
  We've
• 42:49
  written
• 42:49
  38
• 42:50
  stories
• 42:50
  in
• 42:51
  our
• 42:51
  book
• 42:51
  series,
• 42:52
  Adventures
• 42:53
  of
• 42:53
  Caboose,
• 42:53
  the
• 42:53
  Rocky
• 42:54
  Mountain
• 42:54
  Bear.
• 42:55
  Now,
• 42:55
  of
• 42:55
  course,
• 42:57
  to
• 42:57
  bring
• 42:57
  them
• 42:58
  to
• 42:58
  print
• 42:59
  is
• 42:59
  not
• 42:59
  inexpensive
• 43:00
  and
• 43:01
  we're
• 43:01
  not
• 43:01
  illustrators,
• 43:02
  so
• 43:02
  it's.
• 43:02
  It's
• 43:03
  going
• 43:03
  to
• 43:03
  take
• 43:03
  us
• 43:03
  a
• 43:03
  while
• 43:04
  to
• 43:04
  do
• 43:04
  that.
• 43:05
  But
• 43:05
  each
• 43:05
  one
• 43:05
  of
• 43:06
  them,
• 43:06
  we've
• 43:06
  written
• 43:07
  multiple
• 43:07
  stories
• 43:08
  where
• 43:08
  they're
• 43:09
  the
• 43:09
  actual
• 43:09
  character.
• 43:10
  It's
• 43:11
  a
• 43:11
  lot
• 43:11
  of
• 43:11
  fun.
• 43:11
  And
• 43:12
  so
• 43:12
  what
• 43:12
  we've
• 43:13
  done.
• 43:13
  And
• 43:13
  you
• 43:13
  might
• 43:13
  want
• 43:14
  to
• 43:14
  do
• 43:14
  this
• 43:14
  with
• 43:14
  your
• 43:15
  daughter
• 43:16
  is.
• 43:16
  We
• 43:16
  actually,
• 43:17
  in
• 43:17
  our
• 43:18
  first
• 43:18
  book,
• 43:19
  we
• 43:19
  created
• 43:19
  a
• 43:20
  bookmark.
• 43:21
  And
• 43:21
  I
• 43:21
  talk
• 43:21
  about
• 43:22
  this
• 43:22
  in
• 43:22
  the
• 43:22
  show,
• 43:23
  but
• 43:23
  there's
• 43:23
  a
• 43:23
  QR
• 43:24
  code.
• 43:25
  And
• 43:25
  that
• 43:25
  QR
• 43:26
  code
• 43:26
  is
• 43:26
  actually
• 43:26
  my
• 43:27
  middle
• 43:27
  daughter.
• 43:28
  She
• 43:28
  narrates
• 43:29
  our
• 43:29
  first
• 43:30
  book.
• 43:31
  I
• 43:31
  love
• 43:31
  it.
• 43:32
  So
• 43:32
  you
• 43:32
  get
• 43:32
  the
• 43:33
  audiobook
• 43:34
  through
• 43:34
  the
• 43:35
  bookmark.
• 43:36
  That's
• 43:36
  my.
• 43:37
  And
• 43:37
  my
• 43:38
  oldest
• 43:38
  granddaughter,
• 43:39
  who's
• 43:39
  the
• 43:39
  inspiration
• 43:40
  behind
• 43:40
  Caboose.
• 43:41
  She
• 43:41
  actually,
• 43:42
  as
• 43:42
  part
• 43:42
  of
• 43:43
  it,
• 43:43
  tells
• 43:43
  the
• 43:44
  story
• 43:44
  behind
• 43:44
  the
• 43:45
  story
• 43:45
  about
• 43:46
  how
• 43:46
  we
• 43:46
  came
• 43:46
  up
• 43:46
  with
• 43:47
  the
• 43:47
  whole
• 43:47
  idea.
• 43:48
  That's
• 43:49
  perfect.
• 43:50
  That's.
• 43:50
  That
• 43:50
  has
• 43:51
  such
• 43:51
  a
• 43:51
  personal
• 43:51
  and
• 43:52
  just
• 43:52
  great
• 43:53
  tie.
• 43:53
  And
• 43:53
  also,
• 43:53
  too,
• 43:53
  it
• 43:55
  not
• 43:55
  only
• 43:55
  has
• 43:56
  that
• 43:56
  personal
• 43:56
  tie
• 43:56
  to
• 43:57
  it,
• 43:57
  but
• 43:57
  then
• 43:57
  it
• 43:57
  also
• 43:58
  is
• 43:59
  marketing.
• 43:59
  Right
• 43:59
  there.
• 43:59
  Something
• 44:00
  where
• 44:00
  the
• 44:00
  bookmark
• 44:00
  then
• 44:01
  has
• 44:01
  the
• 44:01
  audio
• 44:01
  version.
• 44:02
  It
• 44:02
  has
• 44:02
  the
• 44:02
  kind
• 44:03
  of
• 44:03
  background
• 44:03
  the
• 44:03
  book.
• 44:03
  And
• 44:04
  obviously
• 44:06
  so
• 44:06
  much
• 44:06
  more
• 44:07
  of
• 44:07
  a
• 44:07
  book
• 44:07
  is
• 44:07
  just
• 44:07
  reading
• 44:08
  the
• 44:08
  words,
• 44:08
  but
• 44:08
  the
• 44:08
  feeling
• 44:09
  that
• 44:09
  you
• 44:09
  get
• 44:09
  behind
• 44:09
  it.
• 44:10
  Yeah,
• 44:10
  it's
• 44:10
  obviously,
• 44:11
  people
• 44:11
  will
• 44:11
  start
• 44:12
  having
• 44:12
  a
• 44:12
  lot
• 44:12
  more
• 44:12
  ties
• 44:13
  to
• 44:13
  the
• 44:13
  characters,
• 44:14
  to
• 44:14
  the
• 44:14
  book,
• 44:14
  to
• 44:15
  the
• 44:15
  author,
• 44:16
  based
• 44:16
  on
• 44:17
  the
• 44:17
  background
• 44:18
  and
• 44:18
  knowing
• 44:18
  the
• 44:19
  story
• 44:19
  and
• 44:19
  knowing
• 44:20
  a
• 44:20
  lot
• 44:20
  more
• 44:20
  of,
• 44:20
  like,
• 44:20
  how
• 44:21
  this
• 44:21
  book
• 44:21
  came
• 44:21
  to
• 44:21
  be.
• 44:21
  I
• 44:22
  couldn't
• 44:22
  agree
• 44:22
  with
• 44:22
  you
• 44:22
  more.
• 44:23
  It's
• 44:23
  fun
• 44:23
  when,
• 44:24
  as
• 44:24
  you've
• 44:25
  said,
• 44:25
  I
• 44:25
  think
• 44:25
  you've.
• 44:26
  You
• 44:26
  said
• 44:26
  you've
• 44:27
  got
• 44:27
  about
• 44:27
  four
• 44:27
  characters,
• 44:28
  that
• 44:29
  they
• 44:29
  all
• 44:30
  have
• 44:30
  different
• 44:30
  names
• 44:31
  that
• 44:31
  were
• 44:31
  inspired
• 44:32
  by
• 44:32
  your
• 44:32
  daughter.
• 44:33
  Yes.
• 44:34
  And
• 44:34
  you
• 44:35
  gotta
• 44:35
  love
• 44:35
  it.
• 44:36
  Now,
• 44:36
  is
• 44:36
  there
• 44:36
  any
• 44:37
  experiences
• 44:38
  in
• 44:38
  the
• 44:38
  books
• 44:38
  that
• 44:38
  you've
• 44:39
  written
• 44:39
  from
• 44:39
  your
• 44:40
  childhood?
• 44:41
  Gosh.
• 44:44
  So
• 44:45
  not
• 44:46
  quite.
• 44:47
  Because
• 44:47
  a
• 44:47
  lot
• 44:48
  of
• 44:48
  what
• 44:48
  I
• 44:48
  wrote,
• 44:49
  I
• 44:49
  was
• 44:49
  very
• 44:49
  much
• 44:50
  into
• 44:50
  Pokemon
• 44:51
  back
• 44:51
  in
• 44:51
  the
• 44:51
  day,
• 44:51
  so
• 44:52
  a
• 44:52
  lot
• 44:52
  of
• 44:52
  that
• 44:52
  was
• 44:52
  a
• 44:53
  little
• 44:53
  kind
• 44:53
  of
• 44:53
  Pokemon
• 44:54
  ties.
• 44:54
  I
• 44:54
  feel
• 44:54
  like
• 44:54
  if
• 44:54
  I
• 44:55
  did
• 44:55
  that,
• 44:55
  I'd
• 44:56
  maybe
• 44:56
  be
• 44:56
  in
• 44:56
  trouble
• 44:57
  with
• 44:57
  Nintendo.
• 44:57
  But
• 44:58
  no,
• 44:59
  it's
• 44:59
  just
• 44:59
  something
• 44:59
  where
• 45:00
  my
• 45:00
  daughter
• 45:00
  just
• 45:01
  means
• 45:01
  absolute
• 45:02
  world
• 45:02
  to
• 45:02
  me
• 45:03
  and
• 45:03
  is
• 45:03
  something
• 45:03
  that
• 45:04
  I
• 45:05
  wanted
• 45:05
  to
• 45:05
  give
• 45:06
  her.
• 45:06
  Something
• 45:06
  that
• 45:07
  just
• 45:07
  means
• 45:08
  so
• 45:08
  much
• 45:08
  to
• 45:08
  her.
• 45:08
  And
• 45:09
  that's
• 45:09
  something
• 45:09
  too,
• 45:10
  where.
• 45:10
  And
• 45:10
  I'm
• 45:11
  sure
• 45:11
  you
• 45:11
  could
• 45:11
  also
• 45:11
  tell
• 45:11
  grandkids
• 45:12
  and
• 45:13
  kids
• 45:13
  that
• 45:13
  it's
• 45:14
  funny.
• 45:14
  They
• 45:15
  get
• 45:15
  so
• 45:16
  excited
• 45:16
  about
• 45:16
  certain
• 45:16
  things.
• 45:17
  Some
• 45:17
  things
• 45:17
  you're
• 45:18
  like,
• 45:18
  oh,
• 45:18
  they're
• 45:18
  gonna
• 45:19
  love
• 45:19
  this.
• 45:19
  And
• 45:19
  they
• 45:20
  just
• 45:20
  toss
• 45:20
  it
• 45:20
  aside.
• 45:21
  So
• 45:21
  I
• 45:22
  was
• 45:22
  fully
• 45:22
  prepared
• 45:23
  that
• 45:23
  once
• 45:23
  I
• 45:23
  got
• 45:23
  this
• 45:23
  book
• 45:23
  and
• 45:24
  I
• 45:24
  was
• 45:24
  gonna
• 45:24
  hand
• 45:24
  it
• 45:24
  to
• 45:24
  her,
• 45:24
  she's
• 45:25
  gonna
• 45:25
  be
• 45:25
  like,
• 45:25
  huh?
• 45:25
  And
• 45:26
  I'm
• 45:26
  moving
• 45:26
  on
• 45:26
  onto,
• 45:27
  like,
• 45:27
  princesses
• 45:27
  or
• 45:27
  unicorns.
• 45:28
  And
• 45:29
  she
• 45:29
  ended
• 45:29
  up
• 45:29
  absolutely
• 45:30
  loving
• 45:31
  the
• 45:31
  book.
• 45:31
  And
• 45:31
  it's
• 45:31
  now
• 45:32
  one
• 45:32
  of
• 45:32
  her
• 45:32
  just,
• 45:32
  like,
• 45:32
  nightly
• 45:33
  rituals
• 45:33
  to
• 45:34
  read
• 45:34
  the
• 45:34
  book.
• 45:35
  And
• 45:35
  then
• 45:36
  in
• 45:36
  the
• 45:36
  book,
• 45:37
  on
• 45:37
  the
• 45:37
  last
• 45:37
  page,
• 45:37
  it's.
• 45:38
  A
• 45:38
  mother's
• 45:38
  hug
• 45:39
  is
• 45:39
  the
• 45:39
  best
• 45:40
  remedy.
• 45:40
  And
• 45:40
  it's
• 45:40
  always
• 45:40
  something
• 45:41
  where
• 45:41
  she
• 45:41
  has
• 45:41
  to
• 45:42
  always
• 45:42
  give
• 45:43
  my
• 45:43
  wife
• 45:43
  a
• 45:43
  big
• 45:44
  hug.
• 45:44
  That's
• 45:45
  terrific.
• 45:46
  It's
• 45:46
  interesting,
• 45:47
  too,
• 45:47
  because
• 45:48
  when
• 45:48
  you
• 45:49
  are
• 45:50
  able
• 45:50
  to
• 45:50
  develop
• 45:51
  characters
• 45:52
  that
• 45:52
  are
• 45:52
  named
• 45:53
  after
• 45:53
  your
• 45:53
  grandchildren,
• 45:54
  they
• 45:55
  get
• 45:55
  to
• 45:55
  choose
• 45:55
  their
• 45:55
  own
• 45:56
  character.
• 45:57
  And
• 45:57
  then
• 45:58
  to
• 45:58
  do
• 45:58
  the
• 45:58
  audiobook
• 45:59
  where
• 45:59
  they
• 45:59
  actually
• 46:00
  read
• 46:00
  the
• 46:00
  story
• 46:01
  that
• 46:01
  was
• 46:02
  written
• 46:02
  about
• 46:02
  them
• 46:03
  as
• 46:03
  the
• 46:03
  character
• 46:04
  is.
• 46:04
  A
• 46:05
  lot
• 46:05
  of
• 46:05
  fun,
• 46:06
  I'll
• 46:06
  say.
• 46:07
  Another
• 46:07
  one
• 46:07
  of
• 46:07
  my
• 46:08
  favorite
• 46:09
  authors
• 46:09
  out
• 46:10
  there,
• 46:10
  Christy
• 46:10
  Hopkins,
• 46:11
  her
• 46:11
  and
• 46:11
  her
• 46:12
  daughter
• 46:12
  did
• 46:13
  Heart
• 46:13
  Phillips.
• 46:14
  And
• 46:14
  all
• 46:14
  the
• 46:15
  illustrations
• 46:15
  are
• 46:15
  illustrations
• 46:16
  by
• 46:16
  both
• 46:16
  of
• 46:17
  them
• 46:17
  through
• 46:17
  the
• 46:17
  entire
• 46:17
  book.
• 46:18
  And
• 46:18
  it's
• 46:18
  just.
• 46:20
  I
• 46:20
  think
• 46:20
  it
• 46:20
  just
• 46:21
  means
• 46:21
  so
• 46:22
  much
• 46:22
  more.
• 46:22
  It
• 46:22
  is
• 46:23
  such
• 46:23
  a
• 46:23
  beautiful
• 46:23
  image
• 46:24
  that
• 46:24
  people
• 46:24
  want
• 46:24
  to
• 46:25
  see,
• 46:25
  but
• 46:25
  something
• 46:26
  that
• 46:26
  I
• 46:27
  feel
• 46:27
  like
• 46:27
  nowadays,
• 46:27
  too,
• 46:28
  with.
• 46:29
  With
• 46:29
  the
• 46:29
  rise
• 46:29
  of
• 46:30
  generative
• 46:30
  AI.
• 46:30
  And
• 46:31
  it
• 46:31
  can
• 46:31
  be
• 46:31
  so
• 46:31
  easy
• 46:32
  just
• 46:32
  to
• 46:32
  create
• 46:33
  a
• 46:33
  book.
• 46:33
  Something
• 46:34
  super
• 46:34
  can.
• 46:35
  Something
• 46:35
  super
• 46:35
  easy.
• 46:36
  But
• 46:37
  it's
• 46:37
  something
• 46:37
  that
• 46:38
  just
• 46:38
  the
• 46:38
  illustrations
• 46:39
  that
• 46:39
  when
• 46:39
  it's
• 46:39
  not
• 46:40
  like
• 46:40
  I
• 46:40
  did
• 46:40
  them
• 46:41
  and
• 46:41
  I
• 46:42
  did
• 46:42
  it
• 46:42
  with
• 46:42
  my
• 46:42
  daughter,
• 46:43
  like,
• 46:43
  those
• 46:44
  will
• 46:44
  always,
• 46:44
  I
• 46:44
  believe,
• 46:45
  speak
• 46:45
  more
• 46:45
  volume
• 46:46
  than
• 46:47
  something
• 46:47
  that's
• 46:47
  just
• 46:48
  quickly
• 46:49
  generated.
• 46:50
  Absolutely.
• 46:50
  I
• 46:51
  couldn't
• 46:51
  agree
• 46:51
  with
• 46:51
  you
• 46:51
  more.
• 46:52
  So
• 46:53
  let's
• 46:53
  talk
• 46:53
  a
• 46:53
  little
• 46:53
  bit
• 46:54
  about
• 46:54
  your
• 46:54
  theme
• 46:54
  in
• 46:54
  your
• 46:55
  book.
• 46:55
  Bug
• 46:55
  hug.
• 46:56
  Talk
• 46:56
  to
• 46:56
  the
• 46:56
  audience
• 46:56
  about
• 46:57
  your
• 46:57
  theme
• 46:58
  in
• 46:58
  the
• 46:58
  book,
• 47:00
  definitely.
• 47:00
  So
• 47:01
  the
• 47:01
  biggest
• 47:01
  thing
• 47:01
  is
• 47:01
  it's
• 47:02
  a
• 47:02
  bedtime
• 47:02
  book.
• 47:02
  It's
• 47:03
  where
• 47:04
  kids
• 47:04
  obviously,
• 47:05
  at
• 47:05
  the
• 47:05
  end
• 47:05
  of
• 47:05
  the
• 47:05
  night,
• 47:06
  trying
• 47:06
  to
• 47:06
  wind
• 47:06
  them
• 47:07
  down,
• 47:07
  they
• 47:07
  want
• 47:07
  to
• 47:07
  run
• 47:07
  up
• 47:07
  and
• 47:08
  down
• 47:08
  the
• 47:08
  hallway.
• 47:08
  You
• 47:08
  want
• 47:09
  to
• 47:09
  wind
• 47:09
  them
• 47:09
  down.
• 47:10
  And
• 47:11
  one
• 47:11
  of
• 47:11
  the
• 47:12
  kind
• 47:12
  of
• 47:12
  parts
• 47:12
  behind
• 47:13
  the
• 47:13
  book
• 47:13
  is
• 47:13
  to
• 47:14
  give
• 47:14
  them
• 47:14
  almost
• 47:14
  like
• 47:15
  a
• 47:15
  ritual
• 47:15
  of
• 47:16
  going
• 47:16
  to
• 47:16
  bed.
• 47:17
  And
• 47:17
  so
• 47:17
  this
• 47:18
  one
• 47:18
  here,
• 47:18
  this
• 47:18
  book
• 47:19
  is
• 47:19
  basically
• 47:19
  about
• 47:20
  a
• 47:20
  bug
• 47:20
  that
• 47:20
  had
• 47:21
  such
• 47:21
  a
• 47:21
  great
• 47:21
  time
• 47:22
  playing
• 47:22
  outside,
• 47:22
  playing
• 47:23
  with
• 47:23
  friends.
• 47:24
  Finally,
• 47:24
  it's
• 47:24
  nighttime.
• 47:25
  But
• 47:25
  however,
• 47:26
  the
• 47:26
  bug
• 47:26
  has
• 47:27
  a
• 47:27
  hard
• 47:27
  time
• 47:27
  sleeping
• 47:28
  and
• 47:28
  goes
• 47:28
  around,
• 47:29
  finds
• 47:29
  some
• 47:29
  other
• 47:30
  friends
• 47:30
  and
• 47:30
  finds
• 47:31
  some
• 47:31
  other
• 47:32
  creatures
• 47:32
  that
• 47:32
  can
• 47:32
  ask,
• 47:33
  how
• 47:33
  do
• 47:33
  you
• 47:33
  fall
• 47:33
  asleep?
• 47:34
  What
• 47:34
  kind
• 47:34
  of
• 47:34
  nightly
• 47:35
  rituals
• 47:35
  do
• 47:35
  you
• 47:35
  do?
• 47:36
  And
• 47:36
  after
• 47:37
  all
• 47:37
  the
• 47:37
  bugs
• 47:37
  give
• 47:38
  them
• 47:38
  some
• 47:39
  advice.
• 47:39
  It
• 47:39
  doesn't
• 47:40
  really
• 47:40
  work
• 47:40
  out
• 47:40
  for
• 47:40
  small
• 47:41
  bugs,
• 47:42
  but
• 47:42
  obviously
• 47:42
  small
• 47:43
  bug
• 47:43
  returns
• 47:43
  home,
• 47:44
  and
• 47:44
  home
• 47:45
  is
• 47:45
  with
• 47:45
  mom
• 47:46
  and
• 47:46
  mama
• 47:46
  bug.
• 47:47
  And
• 47:47
  mama
• 47:48
  bug
• 47:48
  is
• 47:48
  obviously
• 47:49
  there
• 47:49
  ready
• 47:50
  to
• 47:50
  help
• 47:50
  out.
• 47:50
  And
• 47:51
  it's
• 47:52
  just.
• 47:52
  It
• 47:52
  turns
• 47:52
  out
• 47:52
  that
• 47:53
  even
• 47:53
  though
• 47:53
  people
• 47:53
  might
• 47:54
  have
• 47:54
  different
• 47:54
  kind
• 47:54
  of
• 47:55
  ways
• 47:55
  and
• 47:56
  things
• 47:56
  that
• 47:56
  maybe
• 47:56
  help
• 47:56
  them
• 47:57
  out,
• 47:57
  that
• 47:58
  just
• 47:58
  a
• 47:59
  hug
• 47:59
  from
• 47:59
  a
• 47:59
  loved
• 47:59
  one,
• 48:00
  someone
• 48:01
  that
• 48:01
  they're
• 48:01
  able
• 48:01
  to
• 48:02
  embrace,
• 48:03
  can
• 48:03
  be
• 48:03
  the
• 48:03
  ultimate
• 48:04
  remedy
• 48:04
  to
• 48:04
  help
• 48:05
  fall
• 48:05
  asleep,
• 48:05
  to
• 48:06
  help
• 48:06
  a
• 48:06
  ritual
• 48:07
  kind
• 48:07
  of
• 48:07
  start
• 48:07
  where,
• 48:08
  like,
• 48:08
  little
• 48:08
  kiddo,
• 48:09
  it's
• 48:09
  okay
• 48:09
  when
• 48:09
  it's
• 48:09
  time
• 48:10
  to
• 48:10
  go
• 48:10
  to
• 48:10
  bed,
• 48:11
  time
• 48:11
  to
• 48:11
  get
• 48:12
  a
• 48:12
  good
• 48:12
  night's
• 48:12
  sleep,
• 48:13
  give
• 48:13
  that
• 48:13
  loved
• 48:13
  one
• 48:14
  a
• 48:14
  big
• 48:14
  hug.
• 48:15
  And
• 48:15
  that's
• 48:16
  gonna
• 48:16
  help
• 48:16
  you
• 48:16
  fall
• 48:16
  Asleep.
• 48:17
  Fantastic.
• 48:19
  I
• 48:19
  love
• 48:19
  it.
• 48:20
  And
• 48:20
  I
• 48:20
  definitely
• 48:21
  got
• 48:21
  that
• 48:21
  feel
• 48:22
  from
• 48:22
  reading
• 48:22
  your
• 48:22
  book.
• 48:23
  So
• 48:23
  thank
• 48:24
  you
• 48:24
  for
• 48:24
  sharing
• 48:24
  that.
• 48:25
  Of
• 48:26
  course.
• 48:26
  Yeah,
• 48:26
  Happy
• 48:27
  to.
• 48:27
  I
• 48:28
  wanna
• 48:28
  pick
• 48:28
  up
• 48:28
  on
• 48:28
  your
• 48:29
  writing
• 48:29
  process
• 48:30
  because
• 48:31
  it
• 48:31
  sounds
• 48:31
  to
• 48:32
  me
• 48:32
  like
• 48:32
  it's
• 48:32
  evolved.
• 48:33
  And
• 48:34
  I
• 48:34
  think
• 48:34
  you
• 48:35
  said.
• 48:35
  I
• 48:35
  think
• 48:36
  you
• 48:36
  used
• 48:36
  the
• 48:36
  word
• 48:36
  hodgepodge
• 48:38
  when
• 48:38
  we
• 48:38
  were
• 48:38
  talking
• 48:39
  in
• 48:39
  the
• 48:39
  beginning
• 48:40
  and
• 48:40
  with
• 48:41
  your
• 48:41
  illustrations
• 48:42
  and
• 48:42
  your
• 48:42
  words
• 48:43
  and
• 48:43
  putting
• 48:44
  it
• 48:44
  all
• 48:44
  together.
• 48:45
  And
• 48:45
  now
• 48:45
  it
• 48:45
  sounds
• 48:46
  like
• 48:46
  it's
• 48:46
  morphing
• 48:47
  into
• 48:48
  four
• 48:48
  different
• 48:49
  books
• 48:49
  at
• 48:49
  the
• 48:49
  very
• 48:50
  least.
• 48:50
  And
• 48:51
  possibly
• 48:51
  something
• 48:52
  that
• 48:53
  is
• 48:53
  totally
• 48:54
  different
• 48:54
  from
• 48:55
  Bug
• 48:55
  Hug
• 48:56
  or
• 48:56
  from
• 48:56
  Small
• 48:57
  Bug
• 48:57
  to.
• 48:58
  You
• 48:58
  were
• 48:58
  talking
• 48:59
  about
• 48:59
  children's
• 49:00
  therapy
• 49:01
  and
• 49:01
  picking
• 49:01
  up
• 49:01
  on
• 49:02
  that
• 49:02
  aspect
• 49:03
  of
• 49:03
  it.
• 49:03
  So
• 49:04
  can
• 49:04
  you
• 49:04
  explain
• 49:05
  to
• 49:05
  us
• 49:06
  what
• 49:06
  your
• 49:07
  writing
• 49:07
  process
• 49:08
  looks
• 49:08
  like
• 49:08
  now
• 49:09
  and
• 49:10
  how
• 49:10
  is
• 49:10
  it
• 49:10
  developing?
• 49:12
  Especially
• 49:13
  now?
• 49:13
  I
• 49:14
  feel
• 49:14
  like
• 49:15
  especially
• 49:15
  writing
• 49:16
  process
• 49:16
  is
• 49:17
  to
• 49:17
  just
• 49:18
  word
• 49:18
  vomit
• 49:18
  and
• 49:19
  just
• 49:19
  get
• 49:19
  everything,
• 49:20
  get
• 49:20
  the
• 49:20
  feelings
• 49:21
  out
• 49:22
  onto
• 49:22
  the
• 49:22
  page.
• 49:23
  Because
• 49:23
  I
• 49:24
  definitely
• 49:24
  feel
• 49:24
  like
• 49:25
  as
• 49:25
  a
• 49:26
  writer,
• 49:26
  you
• 49:26
  want
• 49:27
  to
• 49:27
  almost
• 49:27
  be
• 49:28
  engaged
• 49:28
  in
• 49:29
  this
• 49:29
  certain
• 49:30
  kind
• 49:30
  of
• 49:30
  feeling,
• 49:31
  this
• 49:31
  vibe
• 49:33
  in
• 49:33
  that
• 49:33
  moment
• 49:33
  right
• 49:34
  there.
• 49:34
  However,
• 49:35
  obviously
• 49:35
  there's
• 49:35
  the
• 49:35
  famous
• 49:36
  writer's
• 49:36
  block
• 49:36
  where
• 49:37
  it's
• 49:37
  so
• 49:37
  easy
• 49:37
  to
• 49:38
  just
• 49:38
  be
• 49:38
  like,
• 49:38
  oh,
• 49:39
  I
• 49:39
  can't
• 49:39
  think
• 49:39
  of
• 49:40
  the
• 49:40
  next
• 49:40
  word
• 49:40
  or
• 49:41
  the
• 49:41
  next
• 49:41
  rhyme
• 49:42
  or
• 49:42
  something
• 49:42
  like
• 49:42
  that.
• 49:43
  So
• 49:44
  while
• 49:44
  you
• 49:44
  have
• 49:44
  that
• 49:45
  feeling,
• 49:45
  when
• 49:45
  you
• 49:45
  have
• 49:46
  that
• 49:47
  understanding
• 49:47
  of
• 49:47
  what
• 49:47
  your
• 49:47
  book
• 49:48
  wants
• 49:48
  to
• 49:48
  be,
• 49:48
  you
• 49:48
  just
• 49:49
  toss
• 49:49
  the
• 49:50
  words
• 49:50
  out
• 49:50
  there.
• 49:50
  It
• 49:50
  doesn't
• 49:51
  have
• 49:51
  to
• 49:51
  be
• 49:51
  correct.
• 49:52
  Order
• 49:52
  doesn't
• 49:52
  even
• 49:53
  have
• 49:53
  to
• 49:53
  really
• 49:53
  even
• 49:53
  make
• 49:53
  sense.
• 49:54
  But
• 49:54
  you
• 49:54
  just
• 49:54
  have
• 49:54
  to
• 49:55
  get
• 49:55
  that
• 49:55
  feeling
• 49:56
  out
• 49:56
  there.
• 49:57
  And
• 49:57
  then
• 49:57
  you
• 49:57
  can
• 49:58
  start
• 49:58
  plugging
• 49:58
  and
• 49:58
  playing
• 49:59
  and
• 49:59
  putting
• 49:59
  the
• 49:59
  pieces
• 49:59
  in.
• 50:00
  And
• 50:00
  their
• 50:01
  bug
• 50:01
  Hug
• 50:01
  is
• 50:01
  a
• 50:01
  rhyming
• 50:02
  story.
• 50:02
  This
• 50:02
  next
• 50:02
  one
• 50:03
  is
• 50:03
  going
• 50:03
  to
• 50:03
  be
• 50:03
  another
• 50:03
  rhyming
• 50:04
  story.
• 50:04
  And
• 50:04
  I
• 50:05
  feel
• 50:05
  like
• 50:05
  rhyming.
• 50:06
  I
• 50:06
  think
• 50:06
  it's
• 50:06
  fun
• 50:06
  because
• 50:07
  obviously
• 50:07
  creates
• 50:08
  a
• 50:08
  rhythm.
• 50:08
  It
• 50:09
  creates
• 50:09
  a
• 50:09
  little
• 50:09
  bit
• 50:09
  easier
• 50:10
  to
• 50:10
  read,
• 50:10
  but
• 50:11
  sometimes
• 50:11
  trying
• 50:11
  to
• 50:12
  create
• 50:12
  that
• 50:12
  cadence
• 50:13
  and
• 50:13
  that
• 50:14
  correct
• 50:14
  amount
• 50:15
  of,
• 50:15
  like,
• 50:15
  syllables
• 50:16
  in
• 50:16
  each
• 50:16
  word,
• 50:17
  so
• 50:17
  then
• 50:17
  you
• 50:17
  can
• 50:18
  make
• 50:19
  sure
• 50:19
  that
• 50:19
  it
• 50:19
  makes
• 50:19
  sense
• 50:20
  and
• 50:20
  that
• 50:20
  both
• 50:21
  lines
• 50:21
  then
• 50:22
  have
• 50:22
  the
• 50:22
  right
• 50:22
  amount
• 50:22
  of
• 50:22
  syllables.
• 50:23
  So
• 50:23
  then
• 50:23
  it's
• 50:23
  easy
• 50:24
  to
• 50:24
  read.
• 50:25
  That
• 50:25
  can
• 50:25
  be
• 50:26
  difficult.
• 50:26
  And
• 50:26
  that
• 50:26
  can
• 50:27
  easily
• 50:27
  create
• 50:28
  writer's
• 50:29
  block
• 50:29
  right
• 50:29
  there.
• 50:29
  So
• 50:30
  I
• 50:30
  think
• 50:31
  definitely
• 50:31
  it's
• 50:32
  the
• 50:32
  initial
• 50:33
  word
• 50:34
  vomit.
• 50:35
  Then
• 50:35
  you
• 50:35
  start,
• 50:35
  you
• 50:36
  can
• 50:36
  piece
• 50:36
  it
• 50:36
  together
• 50:37
  and
• 50:37
  see
• 50:37
  if
• 50:37
  you
• 50:37
  can
• 50:38
  do
• 50:38
  that
• 50:38
  for
• 50:38
  a
• 50:38
  get
• 50:38
  writer's
• 50:39
  block.
• 50:39
  But
• 50:40
  then
• 50:40
  from
• 50:40
  there,
• 50:40
  it's
• 50:41
  starting
• 50:41
  to
• 50:42
  illustrate.
• 50:42
  I
• 50:42
  think
• 50:43
  it's
• 50:43
  always
• 50:43
  so
• 50:43
  important
• 50:43
  that
• 50:44
  as
• 50:44
  you're
• 50:44
  writing
• 50:45
  it,
• 50:45
  can
• 50:45
  you
• 50:45
  see
• 50:46
  what's
• 50:46
  happening?
• 50:46
  Can
• 50:47
  you
• 50:47
  visualize
• 50:48
  what
• 50:49
  you're
• 50:49
  writing?
• 50:49
  Because
• 50:50
  at
• 50:50
  the
• 50:50
  end
• 50:50
  of
• 50:50
  the
• 50:50
  day,
• 50:50
  if
• 50:50
  you're
• 50:51
  okay,
• 50:51
  yeah,
• 50:52
  cool.
• 50:52
  This
• 50:52
  makes
• 50:52
  sense.
• 50:53
  Then
• 50:53
  you
• 50:53
  also
• 50:53
  get
• 50:53
  to
• 50:53
  illustration
• 50:54
  process
• 50:54
  you're
• 50:54
  like,
• 50:56
  I
• 50:56
  don't
• 50:56
  know
• 50:56
  what
• 50:56
  to
• 50:56
  draw
• 50:56
  for
• 50:56
  this.
• 50:57
  This
• 50:57
  doesn't
• 50:57
  make,
• 50:57
  like,
• 50:58
  any
• 50:58
  sense.
• 50:58
  So
• 50:59
  I
• 50:59
  think,
• 50:59
  honestly,
• 51:00
  the
• 51:00
  biggest
• 51:00
  part
• 51:00
  is
• 51:01
  just
• 51:02
  getting
• 51:02
  your
• 51:03
  ideas
• 51:03
  out,
• 51:04
  as
• 51:04
  anyone
• 51:05
  should,
• 51:05
  whether
• 51:06
  it's
• 51:06
  talking
• 51:06
  it
• 51:06
  out,
• 51:06
  stuff
• 51:07
  like
• 51:07
  that,
• 51:07
  and
• 51:07
  then
• 51:08
  start
• 51:08
  chopping
• 51:08
  it
• 51:08
  in.
• 51:09
  And
• 51:09
  I
• 51:09
  feel
• 51:09
  like
• 51:10
  everything
• 51:10
  is.
• 51:11
  It's
• 51:11
  an
• 51:11
  evolution.
• 51:12
  Right.
• 51:12
  You
• 51:13
  can
• 51:13
  be
• 51:13
  done
• 51:14
  with
• 51:14
  your
• 51:14
  illustrations.
• 51:15
  You
• 51:15
  could
• 51:15
  be
• 51:15
  about
• 51:15
  to
• 51:15
  finish
• 51:16
  your
• 51:16
  book.
• 51:16
  You
• 51:17
  could
• 51:17
  be
• 51:17
  on
• 51:17
  the
• 51:17
  editing
• 51:18
  side
• 51:18
  of
• 51:18
  it.
• 51:18
  And
• 51:18
  I
• 51:19
  also
• 51:19
  encourage
• 51:20
  any
• 51:20
  authors
• 51:21
  out
• 51:21
  there
• 51:21
  to.
• 51:22
  That
• 51:22
  there's
• 51:22
  no
• 51:22
  exact
• 51:23
  time
• 51:23
  to
• 51:23
  do
• 51:23
  editing.
• 51:24
  If
• 51:24
  you
• 51:24
  have
• 51:25
  friends
• 51:25
  that
• 51:25
  you
• 51:26
  fully
• 51:26
  trust
• 51:26
  that
• 51:26
  could
• 51:27
  maybe
• 51:27
  help
• 51:27
  out
• 51:27
  with
• 51:28
  editing,
• 51:28
  send
• 51:28
  it
• 51:28
  to
• 51:29
  them
• 51:29
  right
• 51:29
  then
• 51:29
  and
• 51:29
  there.
• 51:29
  And
• 51:31
  something
• 51:31
  that
• 51:32
  editing
• 51:32
  will.
• 51:33
  It
• 51:33
  evolves
• 51:33
  over
• 51:33
  time,
• 51:34
  and
• 51:34
  they
• 51:34
  might
• 51:34
  be
• 51:34
  able
• 51:34
  to
• 51:34
  pick
• 51:35
  up
• 51:35
  things
• 51:35
  earlier
• 51:35
  and
• 51:36
  help
• 51:36
  adjust
• 51:36
  it.
• 51:37
  The
• 51:37
  beautiful
• 51:37
  thing
• 51:37
  about
• 51:38
  having
• 51:38
  five
• 51:39
  grandchildren
• 51:39
  or
• 51:40
  having
• 51:40
  a
• 51:40
  child
• 51:41
  or
• 51:41
  children
• 51:42
  is,
• 51:42
  you
• 51:43
  know,
• 51:43
  what
• 51:43
  we
• 51:43
  did
• 51:44
  is
• 51:44
  we
• 51:44
  wrote
• 51:45
  our
• 51:45
  books
• 51:45
  together,
• 51:47
  and
• 51:47
  then
• 51:48
  I
• 51:48
  got
• 51:48
  them
• 51:48
  to
• 51:48
  read
• 51:49
  them
• 51:49
  out
• 51:49
  loud
• 51:50
  while
• 51:50
  we
• 51:50
  were
• 51:50
  together.
• 51:51
  Yeah.
• 51:52
  Or
• 51:52
  I
• 51:53
  would
• 51:53
  read
• 51:53
  them
• 51:53
  and
• 51:54
  they'd
• 51:54
  say,
• 51:55
  papa,
• 51:56
  that
• 51:56
  words
• 51:56
  too
• 51:57
  difficult.
• 51:57
  It
• 51:58
  doesn't
• 51:58
  work
• 51:58
  for
• 51:59
  the
• 52:00
  readers
• 52:00
  that
• 52:00
  we're
• 52:01
  trying
• 52:01
  to
• 52:01
  read
• 52:02
  to.
• 52:03
  You
• 52:03
  have
• 52:03
  to
• 52:03
  change
• 52:03
  the
• 52:04
  word.
• 52:04
  And
• 52:05
  so
• 52:05
  you
• 52:05
  know
• 52:06
  what?
• 52:06
  Sometimes
• 52:07
  your
• 52:07
  greatest
• 52:08
  editing
• 52:09
  asset
• 52:09
  is
• 52:10
  your
• 52:10
  own
• 52:10
  children
• 52:10
  or
• 52:11
  grandchildren.
• 52:12
  100%.
• 52:13
  I
• 52:13
  know.
• 52:13
  It's
• 52:13
  funny
• 52:14
  too,
• 52:14
  because,
• 52:14
  yeah,
• 52:14
  they
• 52:14
  will
• 52:14
  be
• 52:15
  able
• 52:15
  to
• 52:15
  pick
• 52:15
  on
• 52:15
  some
• 52:15
  kind
• 52:16
  of
• 52:16
  thing
• 52:16
  or
• 52:16
  like,
• 52:18
  sometimes,
• 52:18
  yeah,
• 52:18
  there
• 52:18
  is
• 52:18
  a
• 52:18
  word
• 52:19
  that's
• 52:19
  a
• 52:19
  little
• 52:19
  bit
• 52:20
  too
• 52:20
  difficult
• 52:21
  for
• 52:21
  them,
• 52:21
  and
• 52:21
  you're
• 52:21
  just
• 52:21
  like,
• 52:22
  I
• 52:22
  never
• 52:22
  thought
• 52:22
  about
• 52:22
  that.
• 52:23
  That
• 52:23
  is
• 52:23
  so
• 52:23
  true.
• 52:23
  Something
• 52:24
  that
• 52:24
  they
• 52:24
  don't
• 52:24
  understand
• 52:24
  it.
• 52:25
  And
• 52:25
  the
• 52:25
  last
• 52:25
  thing
• 52:25
  you
• 52:25
  want
• 52:25
  to
• 52:26
  do
• 52:26
  is
• 52:26
  pause
• 52:26
  in
• 52:27
  the
• 52:27
  book,
• 52:27
  be
• 52:27
  like,
• 52:27
  oh,
• 52:28
  abundance
• 52:29
  means
• 52:30
  this.
• 52:31
  Absolutely.
• 52:32
  It's
• 52:32
  neat
• 52:32
  when
• 52:33
  you're
• 52:33
  the
• 52:33
  illustrator.
• 52:34
  But
• 52:34
  I'm
• 52:34
  interested
• 52:35
  in.
• 52:35
  As
• 52:36
  you're
• 52:37
  putting
• 52:37
  your
• 52:37
  ideas
• 52:38
  for
• 52:38
  your
• 52:38
  next
• 52:39
  books
• 52:39
  together,
• 52:40
  are
• 52:41
  you
• 52:41
  doing
• 52:41
  any
• 52:41
  type
• 52:42
  of
• 52:42
  research
• 52:43
  into
• 52:44
  the
• 52:44
  material
• 52:45
  that
• 52:45
  you're
• 52:45
  developing?
• 52:47
  Yes.
• 52:48
  So
• 52:48
  for
• 52:48
  this
• 52:48
  next
• 52:48
  one
• 52:49
  here
• 52:50
  with
• 52:50
  it
• 52:50
  basically
• 52:51
  being
• 52:51
  a
• 52:51
  creature
• 52:51
  going
• 52:52
  through
• 52:52
  all
• 52:52
  these
• 52:52
  different
• 52:53
  feelings
• 52:53
  and
• 52:53
  understanding,
• 52:54
  I
• 52:55
  was
• 52:55
  going
• 52:55
  to
• 52:55
  illustrate
• 52:56
  a
• 52:56
  human,
• 52:56
  but
• 52:56
  I
• 52:56
  was
• 52:56
  like,
• 52:57
  no,
• 52:57
  there's
• 52:57
  just
• 52:57
  something
• 52:58
  about
• 53:00
  not
• 53:00
  having
• 53:00
  direct
• 53:01
  affiliation
• 53:02
  with
• 53:02
  the
• 53:03
  character,
• 53:03
  with
• 53:03
  it
• 53:04
  being
• 53:04
  like,
• 53:04
  oh,
• 53:04
  if
• 53:04
  this
• 53:05
  is
• 53:05
  a
• 53:05
  male
• 53:06
  with,
• 53:06
  like,
• 53:06
  brown
• 53:06
  hair,
• 53:07
  it's
• 53:07
  maybe
• 53:07
  like,
• 53:07
  I've
• 53:07
  got
• 53:08
  blonde
• 53:08
  something
• 53:08
  where
• 53:08
  it's.
• 53:09
  I
• 53:09
  want
• 53:09
  to
• 53:09
  make
• 53:09
  it
• 53:10
  not
• 53:11
  human,
• 53:12
  but
• 53:12
  I
• 53:12
  want
• 53:13
  this,
• 53:14
  my
• 53:14
  main
• 53:14
  character,
• 53:14
  to
• 53:15
  have,
• 53:16
  I
• 53:16
  guess,
• 53:17
  that
• 53:17
  emotional
• 53:18
  understanding.
• 53:18
  So
• 53:19
  I
• 53:19
  guess
• 53:19
  I
• 53:19
  researched
• 53:20
  what
• 53:20
  animal
• 53:21
  out
• 53:21
  there
• 53:21
  has
• 53:21
  the
• 53:21
  biggest
• 53:22
  kind
• 53:22
  of
• 53:22
  emotional
• 53:23
  cognition,
• 53:24
  and
• 53:24
  that
• 53:25
  is
• 53:25
  an
• 53:25
  elephant.
• 53:26
  I
• 53:27
  started
• 53:28
  practicing
• 53:28
  drawing
• 53:28
  an
• 53:28
  elephant.
• 53:29
  Could
• 53:29
  not
• 53:29
  figure
• 53:30
  out
• 53:30
  how
• 53:30
  to
• 53:30
  do
• 53:31
  that
• 53:31
  trunk
• 53:31
  to
• 53:32
  Line
• 53:32
  up
• 53:32
  every
• 53:32
  single
• 53:33
  time.
• 53:33
  Or
• 53:33
  the
• 53:33
  big
• 53:33
  ears
• 53:34
  and
• 53:34
  how
• 53:34
  they
• 53:34
  switch
• 53:34
  different
• 53:35
  ways.
• 53:35
  But
• 53:36
  no,
• 53:36
  I
• 53:37
  mean,
• 53:37
  it's
• 53:37
  definitely
• 53:37
  something
• 53:38
  where
• 53:38
  I
• 53:38
  feel
• 53:39
  like
• 53:39
  kids
• 53:39
  can
• 53:39
  pick
• 53:39
  up
• 53:40
  on
• 53:40
  certain
• 53:40
  things
• 53:40
  and
• 53:42
  we
• 53:42
  haven't.
• 53:43
  You
• 53:43
  should
• 53:43
  talk
• 53:43
  about
• 53:44
  an
• 53:44
  elephant
• 53:44
  as
• 53:45
  a
• 53:45
  character
• 53:45
  too,
• 53:45
  because
• 53:45
  I
• 53:46
  just
• 53:46
  had
• 53:46
  a
• 53:46
  guest
• 53:47
  on
• 53:47
  Sinetta.
• 53:48
  Anthony
• 53:48
  actually
• 53:48
  wrote
• 53:49
  a
• 53:49
  book,
• 53:50
  Ella
• 53:50
  Learns
• 53:50
  to
• 53:51
  Dance.
• 53:51
  And
• 53:51
  Ella's
• 53:52
  actually
• 53:52
  an
• 53:53
  elephant
• 53:54
  and
• 53:54
  she.
• 53:54
  And
• 53:55
  the
• 53:55
  elephant's
• 53:55
  learning
• 53:56
  to
• 53:56
  be
• 53:56
  a
• 53:56
  ballerina.
• 53:58
  I
• 53:58
  actually,
• 53:58
  I
• 53:59
  know
• 53:59
  that
• 53:59
  book.
• 53:59
  I.
• 53:59
  I
• 53:59
  saw
• 54:00
  them
• 54:00
  on
• 54:00
  one
• 54:00
  of
• 54:01
  the
• 54:01
  groups
• 54:01
  and
• 54:01
  did
• 54:01
  a
• 54:02
  fantastic
• 54:02
  job.
• 54:03
  Yeah,
• 54:03
  a
• 54:04
  lot
• 54:04
  of
• 54:04
  fun.
• 54:04
  A
• 54:04
  lot
• 54:04
  of
• 54:05
  fun.
• 54:05
  So
• 54:05
  again,
• 54:05
  that's
• 54:06
  a
• 54:06
  beautiful
• 54:07
  thing
• 54:07
  about
• 54:07
  using
• 54:08
  animals
• 54:09
  in
• 54:09
  our
• 54:09
  books.
• 54:10
  We
• 54:10
  wanted
• 54:11
  that
• 54:12
  Rocky
• 54:13
  Mountain
• 54:13
  feel,
• 54:13
  that
• 54:14
  outdoor
• 54:15
  adventure,
• 54:16
  recreational
• 54:16
  activities.
• 54:17
  So
• 54:17
  our
• 54:18
  main
• 54:18
  characters
• 54:18
  are
• 54:19
  animals,
• 54:19
  but
• 54:19
  we
• 54:20
  do
• 54:20
  have
• 54:20
  humans
• 54:21
  as
• 54:22
  part
• 54:22
  of
• 54:22
  our
• 54:22
  books
• 54:23
  and
• 54:23
  we
• 54:23
  also
• 54:23
  have
• 54:25
  indigenous
• 54:26
  people
• 54:26
  in
• 54:27
  our
• 54:27
  books.
• 54:28
  And
• 54:28
  that
• 54:28
  was
• 54:28
  important
• 54:29
  for
• 54:29
  us.
• 54:29
  And
• 54:30
  you
• 54:30
  can
• 54:30
  see
• 54:30
  from
• 54:31
  here
• 54:31
  our
• 54:32
  storyteller
• 54:33
  in
• 54:33
  this
• 54:34
  is
• 54:34
  one
• 54:34
  of
• 54:34
  the
• 54:35
  illustrations
• 54:35
  is
• 54:36
  actually
• 54:36
  an
• 54:36
  indigenous
• 54:37
  person.
• 54:38
  Because
• 54:38
  a
• 54:38
  lot
• 54:38
  of
• 54:38
  people
• 54:39
  know
• 54:39
  that
• 54:40
  sitting
• 54:40
  around
• 54:41
  the
• 54:41
  campfire
• 54:42
  and
• 54:42
  telling
• 54:43
  stories
• 54:43
  and
• 54:44
  passing
• 54:45
  family
• 54:45
  history
• 54:45
  down,
• 54:46
  that
• 54:46
  was
• 54:47
  important
• 54:47
  for
• 54:47
  us.
• 54:48
  That's
• 54:48
  the
• 54:48
  beautiful
• 54:48
  thing
• 54:49
  about
• 54:50
  children's
• 54:51
  books
• 54:51
  is
• 54:51
  you
• 54:51
  have
• 54:51
  that
• 54:52
  literary
• 54:52
  license
• 54:53
  to
• 54:54
  whatever
• 54:55
  your
• 54:55
  mind
• 54:56
  can
• 54:56
  conceive,
• 54:57
  you
• 54:57
  can
• 54:59
  bring
• 54:59
  it
• 54:59
  to
• 54:59
  life.
• 55:00
  It
• 55:01
  is
• 55:01
  so
• 55:01
  true.
• 55:01
  No,
• 55:02
  that
• 55:02
  is
• 55:02
  very
• 55:02
  real.
• 55:03
  I
• 55:03
  want
• 55:03
  to
• 55:04
  talk,
• 55:04
  Jake,
• 55:04
  a
• 55:04
  bit
• 55:04
  about
• 55:05
  success
• 55:07
  measurement.
• 55:08
  Talk
• 55:08
  to
• 55:08
  us
• 55:08
  about
• 55:09
  when
• 55:10
  you
• 55:10
  first
• 55:10
  started
• 55:10
  writing
• 55:11
  this
• 55:11
  book.
• 55:11
  I
• 55:11
  know
• 55:12
  that
• 55:12
  you
• 55:12
  were
• 55:12
  talking
• 55:13
  about
• 55:13
  you
• 55:14
  want
• 55:14
  to
• 55:14
  get
• 55:14
  this
• 55:14
  book
• 55:15
  done
• 55:15
  for
• 55:15
  your
• 55:15
  daughter.
• 55:16
  She
• 55:16
  was
• 55:16
  the
• 55:17
  inspiration.
• 55:18
  But
• 55:18
  talk
• 55:18
  to
• 55:19
  us
• 55:19
  now
• 55:19
  that
• 55:19
  you've
• 55:19
  got
• 55:20
  this
• 55:20
  book
• 55:20
  into
• 55:21
  the
• 55:21
  world
• 55:22
  and
• 55:22
  you
• 55:22
  obviously
• 55:23
  are
• 55:23
  doing
• 55:24
  more
• 55:24
  books
• 55:25
  and
• 55:25
  you've
• 55:25
  got
• 55:26
  a
• 55:26
  bigger
• 55:26
  vision
• 55:27
  than
• 55:27
  maybe
• 55:27
  when
• 55:28
  you
• 55:28
  first
• 55:28
  started.
• 55:29
  Talk
• 55:29
  to
• 55:30
  us
• 55:30
  about
• 55:31
  what
• 55:31
  were
• 55:32
  you
• 55:32
  thinking
• 55:32
  about
• 55:33
  in
• 55:33
  terms
• 55:33
  of
• 55:33
  success
• 55:34
  originally
• 55:35
  and
• 55:36
  now?
• 55:36
  What
• 55:36
  does
• 55:36
  success
• 55:37
  look
• 55:37
  like
• 55:38
  to
• 55:38
  you?
• 55:39
  That's
• 55:39
  a
• 55:40
  fantastic
• 55:40
  question.
• 55:41
  I
• 55:41
  honestly,
• 55:42
  I
• 55:43
  wanted
• 55:43
  success.
• 55:44
  Yeah.
• 55:44
  My
• 55:44
  first
• 55:45
  goal,
• 55:45
  my
• 55:45
  first
• 55:46
  line
• 55:46
  of
• 55:46
  success
• 55:47
  was
• 55:47
  the
• 55:47
  fact
• 55:47
  that
• 55:47
  my
• 55:47
  daughter
• 55:48
  would
• 55:48
  actually
• 55:49
  like
• 55:49
  the
• 55:49
  book,
• 55:49
  you
• 55:49
  know,
• 55:49
  that
• 55:50
  she
• 55:50
  would
• 55:50
  actually
• 55:50
  want
• 55:50
  to
• 55:51
  read
• 55:51
  it
• 55:51
  again.
• 55:51
  Just
• 55:52
  obviously
• 55:52
  you
• 55:53
  hand
• 55:53
  them
• 55:53
  the
• 55:53
  book
• 55:53
  and
• 55:53
  they're
• 55:54
  interested
• 55:54
  for
• 55:54
  the
• 55:54
  first
• 55:54
  time.
• 55:55
  But
• 55:55
  for
• 55:55
  them
• 55:55
  to
• 55:55
  say
• 55:56
  bug
• 55:56
  hug
• 55:56
  or
• 55:57
  let,
• 55:57
  let's
• 55:58
  read
• 55:58
  it,
• 55:58
  that
• 55:58
  would
• 55:59
  be
• 55:59
  a
• 55:59
  huge
• 55:59
  success.
• 56:00
  Going
• 56:00
  on
• 56:00
  all
• 56:00
  these
• 56:01
  different
• 56:01
  forums
• 56:01
  and
• 56:01
  understanding
• 56:02
  just
• 56:02
  what
• 56:03
  it
• 56:03
  takes
• 56:03
  to
• 56:03
  be
• 56:04
  an
• 56:04
  independent
• 56:05
  author.
• 56:05
  And
• 56:05
  especially
• 56:06
  too
• 56:06
  that
• 56:07
  the
• 56:07
  average
• 56:08
  independent
• 56:08
  author,
• 56:09
  first
• 56:09
  time
• 56:10
  author,
• 56:10
  usually
• 56:10
  sees
• 56:11
  book
• 56:11
  sales
• 56:11
  between
• 56:12
  75
• 56:12
  to
• 56:13
  90
• 56:14
  within
• 56:14
  the
• 56:14
  entire
• 56:14
  lifetime
• 56:15
  of
• 56:15
  the
• 56:16
  book.
• 56:16
  And
• 56:16
  it
• 56:16
  almost
• 56:17
  sets
• 56:17
  up
• 56:17
  this
• 56:17
  precedence.
• 56:18
  Kind
• 56:18
  of
• 56:18
  like
• 56:18
  I
• 56:18
  was
• 56:19
  talking
• 56:19
  about
• 56:19
  before
• 56:19
  is
• 56:20
  just
• 56:20
  because
• 56:20
  you
• 56:20
  wrote
• 56:21
  something,
• 56:21
  it
• 56:21
  doesn't
• 56:21
  mean
• 56:21
  it's
• 56:22
  it's
• 56:22
  going
• 56:22
  to
• 56:22
  scene
• 56:22
  in
• 56:23
  Target
• 56:23
  and
• 56:23
  it's
• 56:23
  going
• 56:23
  to
• 56:23
  be
• 56:24
  out
• 56:24
  there
• 56:24
  in
• 56:24
  Barnes
• 56:24
  and
• 56:24
  Noble
• 56:25
  that
• 56:25
  it's,
• 56:25
  it's
• 56:25
  going
• 56:25
  to
• 56:26
  make
• 56:26
  you
• 56:26
  millions
• 56:26
  just
• 56:27
  like
• 56:27
  that.
• 56:27
  Right.
• 56:28
  So
• 56:28
  I
• 56:28
  had
• 56:29
  this
• 56:29
  lower
• 56:29
  expectation
• 56:30
  of,
• 56:30
  you
• 56:30
  know
• 56:30
  what
• 56:31
  if
• 56:31
  I
• 56:31
  can
• 56:31
  at
• 56:31
  least
• 56:32
  reach
• 56:33
  the
• 56:34
  5075
• 56:35
  book
• 56:35
  sale,
• 56:36
  stuff
• 56:36
  like
• 56:36
  that,
• 56:37
  I'll
• 56:38
  be
• 56:38
  happy.
• 56:38
  I'll
• 56:38
  be
• 56:39
  happy
• 56:39
  with
• 56:40
  that
• 56:40
  success
• 56:40
  and
• 56:41
  go
• 56:41
  from
• 56:41
  there.
• 56:43
  Now
• 56:43
  it's
• 56:44
  something
• 56:44
  that's,
• 56:45
  you
• 56:46
  know,
• 56:47
  I
• 56:47
  guess
• 56:47
  I've
• 56:48
  now
• 56:48
  seen
• 56:48
  the
• 56:48
  book
• 56:49
  and
• 56:49
  people
• 56:50
  are
• 56:50
  very
• 56:50
  excited
• 56:50
  about
• 56:51
  it
• 56:51
  and
• 56:52
  it
• 56:53
  makes
• 56:54
  it
• 56:54
  almost
• 56:54
  the
• 56:54
  stop
• 56:54
  process
• 56:55
  of
• 56:55
  this
• 56:55
  book
• 56:55
  is
• 56:55
  actually
• 56:56
  selling
• 56:56
  of
• 56:57
  like
• 56:57
  I
• 56:57
  said,
• 56:57
  I've
• 56:58
  sold
• 56:58
  240
• 56:59
  copies
• 57:00
  at
• 57:00
  this
• 57:00
  point.
• 57:01
  And
• 57:02
  if
• 57:03
  I
• 57:03
  have
• 57:03
  something
• 57:03
  that
• 57:04
  people
• 57:04
  actually
• 57:04
  want
• 57:04
  and
• 57:05
  keep
• 57:05
  scaling
• 57:05
  it,
• 57:06
  keep
• 57:06
  on
• 57:06
  growing,
• 57:06
  keep
• 57:07
  on
• 57:07
  pushing,
• 57:09
  and
• 57:09
  now
• 57:09
  success
• 57:10
  looks
• 57:10
  like
• 57:10
  trying
• 57:11
  to
• 57:11
  get
• 57:11
  into
• 57:12
  all
• 57:13
  the
• 57:13
  big
• 57:13
  retailers
• 57:14
  and
• 57:14
  really
• 57:14
  putting
• 57:14
  it
• 57:14
  out
• 57:15
  there.
• 57:15
  And
• 57:16
  I
• 57:16
  know
• 57:16
  on
• 57:16
  some
• 57:16
  of
• 57:16
  these
• 57:16
  webinars
• 57:17
  that
• 57:17
  I've
• 57:17
  jumped
• 57:18
  onto
• 57:19
  that
• 57:19
  threshold.
• 57:20
  Point
• 57:20
  that
• 57:20
  you're
• 57:21
  at
• 57:21
  is
• 57:21
  if
• 57:22
  you
• 57:22
  want
• 57:22
  to
• 57:22
  scale,
• 57:24
  it's
• 57:25
  going
• 57:25
  to
• 57:25
  be
• 57:25
  a
• 57:25
  lot.
• 57:26
  It's
• 57:26
  a
• 57:26
  lot
• 57:26
  of
• 57:26
  work.
• 57:26
  But
• 57:26
  then
• 57:27
  it's
• 57:27
  also
• 57:27
  a
• 57:27
  lot
• 57:27
  of
• 57:28
  investment
• 57:28
  into
• 57:28
  your
• 57:29
  book
• 57:29
  and
• 57:29
  it's
• 57:29
  do
• 57:29
  you
• 57:29
  want
• 57:30
  to.
• 57:30
  Nothing's
• 57:31
  usually
• 57:32
  nothing
• 57:32
  ever.
• 57:33
  It's
• 57:33
  just
• 57:33
  like
• 57:33
  a.
• 57:33
  Oh.
• 57:34
  And
• 57:34
  then
• 57:34
  it
• 57:35
  made
• 57:35
  it
• 57:35
  big
• 57:35
  on
• 57:35
  its
• 57:36
  own
• 57:36
  and.
• 57:36
  Right.
• 57:36
  And
• 57:37
  that's
• 57:37
  why
• 57:37
  I
• 57:37
  asked
• 57:38
  that
• 57:38
  question,
• 57:38
  Jake,
• 57:39
  about
• 57:39
  do
• 57:39
  you
• 57:39
  have
• 57:39
  a
• 57:40
  children's
• 57:40
  book
• 57:40
  business
• 57:41
  plan?
• 57:42
  And
• 57:42
  we
• 57:42
  were
• 57:42
  the
• 57:42
  same
• 57:43
  way.
• 57:43
  And
• 57:44
  most
• 57:45
  children's
• 57:45
  book
• 57:45
  authors
• 57:46
  have
• 57:47
  had
• 57:47
  the
• 57:47
  same
• 57:48
  inspiration
• 57:48
  as
• 57:49
  you.
• 57:49
  You
• 57:49
  were
• 57:49
  inspired
• 57:50
  by
• 57:50
  your
• 57:50
  daughter,
• 57:51
  I
• 57:51
  was
• 57:51
  inspired
• 57:52
  by
• 57:52
  my
• 57:52
  grandchildren.
• 57:53
  And
• 57:54
  out
• 57:54
  it
• 57:55
  comes.
• 57:55
  But
• 57:55
  at
• 57:55
  the
• 57:56
  end
• 57:56
  of
• 57:56
  the
• 57:56
  day,
• 57:57
  we'd
• 57:57
  all
• 57:57
  like
• 57:58
  to
• 57:58
  get
• 57:58
  our
• 57:58
  books
• 57:59
  read
• 58:00
  by
• 58:00
  a
• 58:00
  bigger
• 58:01
  audience.
• 58:02
  And
• 58:03
  it
• 58:03
  doesn't
• 58:03
  necessarily
• 58:04
  equate
• 58:04
  to
• 58:05
  be
• 58:05
  becoming
• 58:05
  rich.
• 58:06
  It
• 58:06
  becomes
• 58:07
  equates
• 58:07
  to
• 58:08
  you
• 58:08
  have
• 58:08
  a
• 58:09
  beautiful
• 58:09
  book
• 58:10
  and
• 58:10
  you'd
• 58:10
  like
• 58:10
  more
• 58:11
  people
• 58:11
  to
• 58:11
  read
• 58:12
  it.
• 58:12
  And
• 58:12
  so
• 58:13
  how
• 58:13
  do
• 58:13
  you
• 58:13
  do
• 58:13
  that?
• 58:14
  And
• 58:14
  that's
• 58:14
  why
• 58:14
  I'm
• 58:15
  trying
• 58:16
  to
• 58:16
  share
• 58:16
  more
• 58:17
  and
• 58:17
  more
• 58:18
  ideas
• 58:18
  about
• 58:19
  how
• 58:19
  do
• 58:19
  I
• 58:19
  build
• 58:20
  my
• 58:20
  book
• 58:20
  business
• 58:21
  without
• 58:22
  as
• 58:22
  you
• 58:22
  just
• 58:23
  talked
• 58:23
  about
• 58:24
  putting
• 58:24
  in
• 58:25
  thousands
• 58:26
  of
• 58:26
  dollars
• 58:26
  into
• 58:27
  marketing
• 58:27
  and
• 58:28
  trying
• 58:28
  to
• 58:29
  figure
• 58:29
  out
• 58:29
  what's
• 58:30
  the
• 58:30
  right
• 58:30
  thing.
• 58:31
  I
• 58:31
  had
• 58:31
  a
• 58:32
  guest
• 58:32
  on
• 58:32
  Lauria
• 58:33
  Orlinski
• 58:34
  episode
• 58:34
  48.
• 58:35
  She's
• 58:36
  not
• 58:36
  only
• 58:36
  a
• 58:36
  children's
• 58:37
  book
• 58:37
  author,
• 58:38
  but
• 58:38
  she
• 58:38
  also
• 58:39
  works
• 58:39
  for
• 58:39
  Yorkshire
• 58:40
  Publishing.
• 58:41
  And
• 58:42
  she
• 58:42
  talked
• 58:42
  about
• 58:43
  what's
• 58:43
  called
• 58:43
  earned
• 58:44
  media.
• 58:45
  And
• 58:45
  that's
• 58:46
  where
• 58:46
  you
• 58:47
  actually
• 58:47
  are
• 58:47
  able
• 58:48
  to
• 58:48
  get
• 58:48
  media
• 58:49
  for
• 58:50
  free.
• 58:51
  You
• 58:51
  have
• 58:51
  to
• 58:52
  put
• 58:52
  the
• 58:52
  effort
• 58:52
  in.
• 58:52
  But
• 58:53
  you
• 58:53
  know
• 58:53
  what?
• 58:54
  It's
• 58:54
  surprising
• 58:55
  how
• 58:55
  you
• 58:56
  can
• 58:56
  get
• 58:56
  go
• 58:57
  on
• 58:57
  podcast
• 58:57
  shows.
• 58:58
  You
• 58:58
  can
• 58:59
  Go
• 58:59
  to
• 58:59
  the
• 58:59
  local
• 58:59
  newspaper.
• 59:00
  They
• 59:01
  love
• 59:01
  these
• 59:01
  kind
• 59:01
  of
• 59:02
  things.
• 59:02
  Go
• 59:03
  to
• 59:03
  local
• 59:03
  radio
• 59:04
  stations
• 59:05
  and
• 59:06
  they're
• 59:07
  looking
• 59:07
  for
• 59:08
  these
• 59:08
  human
• 59:08
  interest
• 59:09
  stories
• 59:10
  so
• 59:10
  you
• 59:10
  can
• 59:10
  get
• 59:10
  your
• 59:10
  book
• 59:11
  out
• 59:12
  into
• 59:12
  the
• 59:12
  world
• 59:13
  without
• 59:14
  breaking
• 59:14
  the
• 59:14
  bank.
• 59:15
  But
• 59:15
  you
• 59:15
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• 59:15
  to
• 59:16
  put
• 59:16
  the
• 59:16
  effort
• 59:16
  in
• 59:16
  to
• 59:17
  do
• 59:17
  that.
• 59:17
  And
• 59:17
  that's
• 59:18
  what
• 59:18
  part
• 59:18
  of
• 59:19
  our
• 59:19
  show
• 59:19
  is.
• 59:19
  I
• 59:19
  hope
• 59:20
  that
• 59:20
  people
• 59:20
  are
• 59:21
  saying,
• 59:21
  oh,
• 59:22
  okay,
• 59:23
  I
• 59:23
  should
• 59:24
  have
• 59:24
  a
• 59:24
  little
• 59:24
  bit
• 59:24
  of
• 59:24
  a
• 59:25
  plan.
• 59:26
  So
• 59:26
  when
• 59:27
  I
• 59:27
  bring
• 59:27
  my
• 59:27
  book
• 59:27
  into
• 59:28
  the
• 59:28
  world,
• 59:28
  how
• 59:29
  am
• 59:29
  I
• 59:29
  going
• 59:29
  to
• 59:29
  reach
• 59:30
  people?
• 59:31
  In
• 59:31
  the
• 59:31
  beginning,
• 59:31
  I
• 59:32
  say,
• 59:32
  look
• 59:32
  it,
• 59:32
  you've
• 59:33
  invested
• 59:33
  a
• 59:34
  lot
• 59:34
  to
• 59:34
  bring
• 59:34
  your
• 59:34
  book
• 59:35
  to
• 59:35
  market.
• 59:36
  So
• 59:36
  put
• 59:36
  some
• 59:37
  effort
• 59:37
  into
• 59:38
  earned
• 59:39
  media.
• 59:39
  Go
• 59:40
  find
• 59:40
  out
• 59:40
  how
• 59:41
  you
• 59:41
  can
• 59:41
  get
• 59:41
  on
• 59:41
  podcast
• 59:42
  shows.
• 59:42
  Find
• 59:43
  out
• 59:43
  how
• 59:43
  you
• 59:43
  can
• 59:43
  go
• 59:44
  on
• 59:44
  the
• 59:44
  local
• 59:44
  radio
• 59:45
  shows.
• 59:45
  Go
• 59:46
  and
• 59:46
  talk
• 59:46
  to
• 59:46
  your
• 59:46
  local
• 59:47
  newspaper.
• 59:48
  There's
• 59:48
  a
• 59:48
  lot
• 59:49
  of
• 59:49
  community
• 59:49
  newspapers
• 59:50
  out
• 59:50
  there.
• 59:51
  They're
• 59:51
  just
• 59:51
  looking
• 59:52
  for
• 59:52
  stories.
• 59:53
  I
• 59:53
  share
• 59:54
  that
• 59:54
  with
• 59:54
  you.
• 59:54
  But
• 59:55
  you
• 59:55
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• 59:56
  don't
• 59:56
  have
• 59:56
  to
• 59:56
  go
• 59:57
  and
• 59:57
  break
• 59:57
  the
• 59:58
  bank
• 59:58
  to
• 59:59
  get
• 59:59
  your
• 59:59
  book
• 59:59
  out
• 59:59
  there.
• 1:00:00
  No,
• 1:00:01
  it's
• 1:00:01
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• 1:00:01
  true.
• 1:00:01
  I
• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:02
  of
• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:02
  best
• 1:00:03
  ways.
• 1:00:03
  Yeah.
• 1:00:04
  Is
• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:05
  book.
• 1:00:05
  And
• 1:00:06
  I
• 1:00:06
  think
• 1:00:06
  obviously
• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:08
  people
• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:08
  there
• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:10
  like,
• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:11
  cool,
• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:13
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• 1:00:13
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• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:17
  a
• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:18
  in
• 1:00:19
  person
• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:19
  some
• 1:00:20
  of
• 1:00:20
  these
• 1:00:20
  retail
• 1:00:20
  stores,
• 1:00:21
  into
• 1:00:21
  the
• 1:00:21
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• 1:00:22
  the
• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:23
  One
• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:24
  I
• 1:00:24
  found
• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:26
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• 1:00:26
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• 1:00:26
  at
• 1:00:26
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• 1:00:26
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• 1:00:27
  was
• 1:00:27
  going
• 1:00:27
  to
• 1:00:28
  daycare
• 1:00:29
  and
• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:29
  visits
• 1:00:30
  where
• 1:00:31
  it's
• 1:00:31
  free,
• 1:00:32
  if
• 1:00:32
  anything.
• 1:00:32
  Usually
• 1:00:33
  maybe
• 1:00:33
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• 1:00:33
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• 1:00:34
  or
• 1:00:35
  the
• 1:00:35
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• 1:00:36
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• 1:00:36
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• 1:00:36
  you.
• 1:00:36
  Maybe
• 1:00:36
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• 1:00:37
  farther
• 1:00:37
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• 1:00:37
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• 1:00:37
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• 1:00:38
  obviously,
• 1:00:38
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• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:40
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• 1:00:40
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• 1:00:41
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• 1:00:41
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• 1:00:41
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• 1:00:41
  kids,
• 1:00:41
  doing
• 1:00:42
  half
• 1:00:42
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• 1:00:42
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• 1:00:43
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• 1:00:44
  you
• 1:00:44
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• 1:00:44
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• 1:00:44
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• 1:00:45
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• 1:00:45
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• 1:00:45
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• 1:00:46
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• 1:00:46
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• 1:00:46
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• 1:00:47
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• 1:00:47
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• 1:00:47
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• 1:00:47
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• 1:00:48
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• 1:00:48
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• 1:00:48
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• 1:00:48
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• 1:00:48
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:49
  But
• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:49
  a
• 1:00:50
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• 1:00:50
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• 1:00:50
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• 1:00:51
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• 1:00:52
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• 1:00:52
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• 1:00:53
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• 1:00:53
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• 1:00:54
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• 1:00:54
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• 1:00:54
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• 1:00:54
  the
• 1:00:54
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• 1:00:55
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• 1:00:55
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• 1:00:55
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• 1:00:56
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• 1:00:56
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• 1:00:56
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• 1:00:56
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• 1:00:56
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• 1:00:57
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• 1:00:57
  then
• 1:00:57
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• 1:00:57
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• 1:00:58
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• 1:00:58
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• 1:00:58
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• 1:00:58
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• 1:00:58
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• 1:00:59
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• 1:00:59
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• 1:00:59
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• 1:01:00
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• 1:01:00
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• 1:01:00
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• 1:01:01
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• 1:01:01
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• 1:01:01
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• 1:01:01
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• 1:01:02
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• 1:01:02
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• 1:01:02
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• 1:01:03
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• 1:01:03
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• 1:01:03
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• 1:01:03
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• 1:01:04
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• 1:01:04
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• 1:01:04
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• 1:01:05
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• 1:01:05
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• 1:01:05
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• 1:01:06
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• 1:01:06
  And
• 1:01:06
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• 1:01:06
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• 1:01:07
  those
• 1:01:07
  print
• 1:01:07
  off
• 1:01:08
  characters
• 1:01:08
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• 1:01:08
  they
• 1:01:09
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• 1:01:09
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• 1:01:09
  guess
• 1:01:10
  what?
• 1:01:10
  They
• 1:01:10
  get
• 1:01:10
  to
• 1:01:10
  take
• 1:01:10
  them
• 1:01:11
  home
• 1:01:11
  with
• 1:01:11
  them.
• 1:01:11
  And
• 1:01:11
  when
• 1:01:12
  the
• 1:01:12
  parents
• 1:01:12
  are
• 1:01:12
  like,
• 1:01:12
  what
• 1:01:13
  is
• 1:01:13
  that?
• 1:01:13
  Absolutely
• 1:01:15
  build
• 1:01:15
  upon
• 1:01:16
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• 1:01:16
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• 1:01:16
  So
• 1:01:17
  that's
• 1:01:17
  definitely
• 1:01:17
  a
• 1:01:18
  great
• 1:01:18
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• 1:01:18
  And
• 1:01:18
  then
• 1:01:18
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• 1:01:19
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• 1:01:19
  my
• 1:01:19
  launch
• 1:01:19
  party,
• 1:01:20
  because
• 1:01:20
  I
• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:21
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• 1:01:21
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• 1:01:21
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• 1:01:22
  the
• 1:01:22
  best
• 1:01:22
  way
• 1:01:22
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• 1:01:22
  launch
• 1:01:23
  your
• 1:01:23
  book.
• 1:01:24
  I
• 1:01:24
  think
• 1:01:24
  very
• 1:01:24
  crucial,
• 1:01:25
  build
• 1:01:25
  up
• 1:01:25
  the
• 1:01:25
  hype,
• 1:01:26
  build
• 1:01:26
  up
• 1:01:26
  the
• 1:01:26
  excitement
• 1:01:27
  behind
• 1:01:27
  it,
• 1:01:28
  and
• 1:01:28
  you
• 1:01:28
  really
• 1:01:28
  start
• 1:01:28
  building
• 1:01:29
  it
• 1:01:29
  up.
• 1:01:29
  Probably
• 1:01:29
  about
• 1:01:30
  three
• 1:01:30
  weeks
• 1:01:30
  before
• 1:01:31
  I
• 1:01:31
  feel
• 1:01:32
  is
• 1:01:32
  the
• 1:01:32
  perfect
• 1:01:33
  time
• 1:01:33
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• 1:01:34
  obviously
• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:35
  you
• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:35
  more
• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:36
  that,
• 1:01:36
  people
• 1:01:36
  then
• 1:01:36
  usually
• 1:01:37
  lose
• 1:01:38
  the
• 1:01:38
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• 1:01:38
  and
• 1:01:38
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• 1:01:39
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• 1:01:39
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• 1:01:39
  about
• 1:01:40
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• 1:01:40
  And
• 1:01:40
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• 1:01:41
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• 1:01:41
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• 1:01:41
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• 1:01:41
  hey,
• 1:01:42
  next
• 1:01:42
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• 1:01:43
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• 1:01:43
  doing
• 1:01:43
  this
• 1:01:43
  launch
• 1:01:44
  party,
• 1:01:44
  people
• 1:01:44
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• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:45
  So
• 1:01:46
  one
• 1:01:47
  of
• 1:01:47
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• 1:01:48
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• 1:01:48
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• 1:01:48
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• 1:01:48
  I
• 1:01:48
  think
• 1:01:49
  are,
• 1:01:49
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• 1:01:49
  guess,
• 1:01:49
  best
• 1:01:49
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• 1:01:50
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• 1:01:50
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• 1:01:50
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• 1:01:50
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• 1:01:50
  party,
• 1:01:50
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• 1:01:50
  at
• 1:01:51
  least
• 1:01:51
  what
• 1:01:51
  I
• 1:01:51
  did
• 1:01:52
  is
• 1:01:52
  you
• 1:01:52
  do
• 1:01:52
  it
• 1:01:52
  at
• 1:01:53
  a
• 1:01:53
  brewery
• 1:01:53
  and
• 1:01:54
  people
• 1:01:54
  are
• 1:01:54
  saying
• 1:01:56
  that's
• 1:01:56
  weird.
• 1:01:56
  Why
• 1:01:57
  would
• 1:01:57
  you
• 1:01:57
  have
• 1:01:57
  a
• 1:01:57
  children's
• 1:01:57
  book
• 1:01:58
  at
• 1:01:58
  a
• 1:01:58
  brewery?
• 1:01:58
  Guess
• 1:01:59
  who's
• 1:01:59
  there?
• 1:02:00
  Parents
• 1:02:00
  with
• 1:02:01
  young
• 1:02:01
  kids.
• 1:02:01
  That's
• 1:02:02
  the
• 1:02:02
  thing
• 1:02:02
  is
• 1:02:03
  you
• 1:02:03
  build
• 1:02:04
  up
• 1:02:04
  the
• 1:02:04
  excitement
• 1:02:04
  for
• 1:02:05
  the
• 1:02:05
  launch
• 1:02:05
  party.
• 1:02:05
  I
• 1:02:05
  ended
• 1:02:06
  up
• 1:02:06
  having,
• 1:02:07
  I
• 1:02:07
  think
• 1:02:07
  it
• 1:02:07
  was
• 1:02:08
  between
• 1:02:08
  like
• 1:02:08
  50,
• 1:02:08
  60
• 1:02:09
  people
• 1:02:10
  at
• 1:02:10
  the
• 1:02:10
  launch
• 1:02:10
  party.
• 1:02:11
  So
• 1:02:11
  it
• 1:02:12
  makes
• 1:02:12
  it
• 1:02:12
  exciting
• 1:02:12
  that
• 1:02:12
  people
• 1:02:13
  are
• 1:02:13
  around
• 1:02:14
  you.
• 1:02:14
  If
• 1:02:14
  people
• 1:02:14
  are
• 1:02:14
  buying
• 1:02:14
  the
• 1:02:14
  books,
• 1:02:15
  people
• 1:02:15
  are
• 1:02:15
  seeing
• 1:02:15
  these
• 1:02:15
  books
• 1:02:16
  walk
• 1:02:16
  around.
• 1:02:16
  And
• 1:02:16
  so
• 1:02:16
  not
• 1:02:17
  only
• 1:02:17
  are
• 1:02:17
  you
• 1:02:18
  selling
• 1:02:18
  your
• 1:02:19
  books
• 1:02:19
  to
• 1:02:19
  the
• 1:02:19
  family
• 1:02:20
  and
• 1:02:20
  friends
• 1:02:20
  and
• 1:02:20
  everyone
• 1:02:20
  that
• 1:02:21
  showed
• 1:02:21
  up
• 1:02:21
  that
• 1:02:21
  they're
• 1:02:22
  excited
• 1:02:22
  to
• 1:02:22
  get
• 1:02:22
  it
• 1:02:22
  and
• 1:02:23
  making
• 1:02:23
  those
• 1:02:23
  initial
• 1:02:23
  sales,
• 1:02:24
  but
• 1:02:24
  you're
• 1:02:24
  also
• 1:02:24
  building
• 1:02:25
  up
• 1:02:25
  the
• 1:02:25
  organic
• 1:02:25
  sales
• 1:02:26
  of
• 1:02:26
  all
• 1:02:26
  the
• 1:02:26
  people
• 1:02:26
  that
• 1:02:27
  are
• 1:02:27
  now
• 1:02:27
  seeing
• 1:02:27
  this
• 1:02:28
  book
• 1:02:28
  coming
• 1:02:28
  out
• 1:02:29
  and
• 1:02:29
  they're
• 1:02:30
  wanting
• 1:02:30
  to
• 1:02:30
  come
• 1:02:30
  in.
• 1:02:31
  And
• 1:02:31
  then
• 1:02:32
  a
• 1:02:32
  nice
• 1:02:32
  way
• 1:02:33
  too
• 1:02:33
  to
• 1:02:33
  help
• 1:02:33
  out
• 1:02:34
  is
• 1:02:34
  that
• 1:02:34
  you
• 1:02:34
  talk
• 1:02:35
  to
• 1:02:35
  the
• 1:02:35
  breweries
• 1:02:35
  and
• 1:02:36
  across
• 1:02:36
  marketing
• 1:02:37
  situation
• 1:02:38
  is
• 1:02:39
  if
• 1:02:39
  you
• 1:02:39
  show
• 1:02:40
  that
• 1:02:40
  you
• 1:02:40
  bought
• 1:02:41
  a
• 1:02:41
  copy
• 1:02:41
  of
• 1:02:42
  the
• 1:02:42
  book,
• 1:02:43
  you
• 1:02:43
  get
• 1:02:43
  a
• 1:02:43
  dollar
• 1:02:43
  or
• 1:02:44
  two
• 1:02:44
  like
• 1:02:44
  off
• 1:02:44
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• 1:02:44
  beer.
• 1:02:45
  Dollar
• 1:02:45
  or
• 1:02:45
  two
• 1:02:46
  off
• 1:02:46
  a
• 1:02:46
  beer.
• 1:02:46
  Nothing
• 1:02:46
  really
• 1:02:47
  to
• 1:02:47
  a
• 1:02:47
  brewery,
• 1:02:48
  but
• 1:02:48
  they'd
• 1:02:49
  much
• 1:02:49
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• 1:02:49
  have
• 1:02:49
  the
• 1:02:49
  50
• 1:02:50
  or
• 1:02:50
  60
• 1:02:50
  people
• 1:02:50
  come
• 1:02:51
  to
• 1:02:51
  their
• 1:02:51
  brewery
• 1:02:52
  to
• 1:02:52
  come
• 1:02:52
  drink.
• 1:02:53
  And
• 1:02:53
  so
• 1:02:53
  anyways,
• 1:02:54
  you
• 1:02:55
  do
• 1:02:55
  cross
• 1:02:55
  marketing
• 1:02:56
  with
• 1:02:56
  them.
• 1:02:57
  Obviously
• 1:02:57
  you
• 1:02:57
  say,
• 1:02:58
  hey,
• 1:02:58
  you
• 1:02:58
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• 1:02:59
  out
• 1:02:59
  to
• 1:02:59
  your
• 1:02:59
  a
• 1:02:59
  hundred
• 1:02:59
  people
• 1:02:59
  that
• 1:03:00
  signed
• 1:03:00
  up
• 1:03:00
  for
• 1:03:00
  your
• 1:03:00
  book
• 1:03:01
  launch,
• 1:03:01
  whatever
• 1:03:01
  have
• 1:03:01
  you
• 1:03:02
  say
• 1:03:02
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• 1:03:02
  going
• 1:03:02
  to
• 1:03:02
  do
• 1:03:02
  at
• 1:03:02
  this
• 1:03:02
  brewery.
• 1:03:03
  So
• 1:03:03
  that's
• 1:03:03
  marketing
• 1:03:03
  for
• 1:03:04
  them.
• 1:03:04
  And
• 1:03:05
  then
• 1:03:05
  also
• 1:03:05
  to
• 1:03:06
  your
• 1:03:07
  people
• 1:03:07
  then
• 1:03:07
  buy
• 1:03:07
  a
• 1:03:07
  book
• 1:03:08
  and
• 1:03:08
  they
• 1:03:08
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• 1:03:08
  now
• 1:03:08
  get
• 1:03:08
  a
• 1:03:09
  dollar
• 1:03:09
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• 1:03:09
  two
• 1:03:09
  off
• 1:03:10
  a
• 1:03:10
  beer.
• 1:03:10
  So
• 1:03:11
  it's
• 1:03:11
  very
• 1:03:11
  much
• 1:03:12
  great
• 1:03:12
  cross
• 1:03:12
  marketing
• 1:03:13
  opportunity
• 1:03:13
  for
• 1:03:14
  a
• 1:03:14
  book
• 1:03:14
  launch
• 1:03:14
  party.
• 1:03:16
  From
• 1:03:16
  there
• 1:03:16
  you
• 1:03:16
  can
• 1:03:16
  really
• 1:03:16
  build
• 1:03:17
  on
• 1:03:17
  your
• 1:03:17
  sales.
• 1:03:18
  All
• 1:03:19
  that.
• 1:03:19
  Wow.
• 1:03:19
  Wow.
• 1:03:20
  That's
• 1:03:20
  the
• 1:03:21
  first
• 1:03:21
  time
• 1:03:21
  I've
• 1:03:21
  heard
• 1:03:21
  that.
• 1:03:23
  It
• 1:03:23
  worked
• 1:03:23
  out
• 1:03:23
  great.
• 1:03:24
  Now
• 1:03:24
  that
• 1:03:25
  you've
• 1:03:25
  written
• 1:03:26
  your
• 1:03:26
  and
• 1:03:26
  published
• 1:03:27
  your
• 1:03:27
  first
• 1:03:27
  children's
• 1:03:28
  block,
• 1:03:29
  the
• 1:03:29
  role,
• 1:03:30
  and
• 1:03:30
  you
• 1:03:30
  had
• 1:03:31
  mentioned
• 1:03:31
  part
• 1:03:31
  of
• 1:03:31
  it
• 1:03:32
  was
• 1:03:32
  your
• 1:03:32
  daughter,
• 1:03:33
  part
• 1:03:33
  of
• 1:03:33
  it
• 1:03:33
  was
• 1:03:34
  your
• 1:03:34
  job
• 1:03:34
  situation
• 1:03:35
  where
• 1:03:36
  you
• 1:03:37
  weren't
• 1:03:37
  working.
• 1:03:38
  So
• 1:03:39
  you're
• 1:03:39
  able
• 1:03:39
  to
• 1:03:39
  take
• 1:03:40
  your
• 1:03:40
  skills
• 1:03:40
  to
• 1:03:41
  a
• 1:03:41
  higher
• 1:03:41
  level.
• 1:03:42
  But
• 1:03:42
  tell
• 1:03:42
  us
• 1:03:43
  now
• 1:03:43
  the
• 1:03:43
  role
• 1:03:43
  of
• 1:03:44
  writing
• 1:03:44
  and
• 1:03:44
  illustrating
• 1:03:45
  in
• 1:03:45
  your
• 1:03:45
  life,
• 1:03:46
  because
• 1:03:46
  now
• 1:03:47
  it
• 1:03:47
  sounds
• 1:03:47
  like
• 1:03:47
  you've
• 1:03:47
  got
• 1:03:48
  a
• 1:03:48
  very
• 1:03:48
  busy
• 1:03:48
  life.
• 1:03:49
  You've
• 1:03:49
  got
• 1:03:49
  a
• 1:03:49
  career,
• 1:03:50
  you've
• 1:03:50
  got
• 1:03:51
  your
• 1:03:51
  family,
• 1:03:52
  you
• 1:03:52
  got
• 1:03:53
  a
• 1:03:53
  lot
• 1:03:53
  going
• 1:03:53
  on.
• 1:03:54
  So
• 1:03:54
  how
• 1:03:54
  do
• 1:03:55
  you
• 1:03:55
  fit
• 1:03:55
  the
• 1:03:55
  role
• 1:03:55
  of
• 1:03:56
  writing
• 1:03:56
  and
• 1:03:56
  illustrating
• 1:03:57
  in
• 1:03:58
  your
• 1:03:58
  life
• 1:03:58
  now?
• 1:04:00
  It's
• 1:04:00
  honestly,
• 1:04:00
  it's
• 1:04:01
  a
• 1:04:01
  same
• 1:04:01
  kind
• 1:04:02
  of
• 1:04:02
  situation
• 1:04:02
  as
• 1:04:02
  the
• 1:04:02
  first
• 1:04:03
  book
• 1:04:03
  where
• 1:04:03
  a
• 1:04:03
  lot
• 1:04:03
  of
• 1:04:03
  it
• 1:04:04
  would
• 1:04:04
  be
• 1:04:04
  after
• 1:04:04
  I
• 1:04:05
  put
• 1:04:05
  down
• 1:04:05
  Kiddo
• 1:04:06
  to
• 1:04:06
  sleep
• 1:04:06
  and
• 1:04:07
  to
• 1:04:07
  have
• 1:04:07
  just
• 1:04:07
  a
• 1:04:07
  couple
• 1:04:08
  hours
• 1:04:08
  before
• 1:04:08
  obviously
• 1:04:09
  I
• 1:04:09
  fall
• 1:04:09
  asleep
• 1:04:09
  myself.
• 1:04:10
  But
• 1:04:10
  just
• 1:04:11
  taking
• 1:04:11
  any
• 1:04:11
  moment
• 1:04:12
  to
• 1:04:12
  just
• 1:04:13
  build
• 1:04:13
  on
• 1:04:13
  that,
• 1:04:13
  trying
• 1:04:14
  to
• 1:04:14
  illustrate,
• 1:04:14
  even
• 1:04:14
  if
• 1:04:15
  it's
• 1:04:15
  drawn
• 1:04:15
  a
• 1:04:15
  couple
• 1:04:15
  lines.
• 1:04:16
  But
• 1:04:16
  obviously
• 1:04:17
  then
• 1:04:17
  next
• 1:04:17
  time
• 1:04:17
  I
• 1:04:18
  come
• 1:04:18
  back
• 1:04:18
  to
• 1:04:18
  my
• 1:04:18
  illustrations,
• 1:04:19
  I'll
• 1:04:19
  be
• 1:04:19
  a
• 1:04:19
  couple
• 1:04:20
  lines
• 1:04:20
  further
• 1:04:20
  down
• 1:04:20
  the
• 1:04:21
  road.
• 1:04:22
  But
• 1:04:22
  I
• 1:04:22
  think
• 1:04:22
  the
• 1:04:22
  biggest
• 1:04:23
  thing
• 1:04:23
  is
• 1:04:23
  taking
• 1:04:23
  your
• 1:04:24
  time
• 1:04:24
  on
• 1:04:24
  it.
• 1:04:25
  I
• 1:04:25
  feel
• 1:04:25
  like
• 1:04:25
  obviously
• 1:04:26
  people
• 1:04:26
  just
• 1:04:26
  want
• 1:04:26
  to
• 1:04:26
  get
• 1:04:26
  the
• 1:04:26
  book
• 1:04:27
  out
• 1:04:27
  there.
• 1:04:27
  They
• 1:04:27
  want
• 1:04:27
  to
• 1:04:27
  write
• 1:04:28
  it,
• 1:04:28
  they
• 1:04:28
  want
• 1:04:28
  to
• 1:04:28
  illustrate
• 1:04:28
  it.
• 1:04:29
  They
• 1:04:29
  want
• 1:04:29
  that
• 1:04:29
  excitement
• 1:04:30
  because
• 1:04:30
  they're
• 1:04:30
  excited
• 1:04:30
  about
• 1:04:30
  it
• 1:04:31
  right
• 1:04:31
  then
• 1:04:31
  and
• 1:04:31
  there.
• 1:04:31
  They
• 1:04:31
  don't
• 1:04:31
  want
• 1:04:32
  that.
• 1:04:32
  Absolutely.
• 1:04:33
  Stop.
• 1:04:33
  I
• 1:04:33
  mean,
• 1:04:33
  like
• 1:04:33
  I
• 1:04:34
  said,
• 1:04:34
  it
• 1:04:34
  took
• 1:04:34
  me
• 1:04:35
  17,
• 1:04:35
  18
• 1:04:36
  months
• 1:04:36
  to
• 1:04:37
  me
• 1:04:37
  write
• 1:04:38
  and
• 1:04:38
  illustrate
• 1:04:39
  Bug
• 1:04:39
  Hug
• 1:04:40
  because
• 1:04:40
  I
• 1:04:40
  wanted
• 1:04:41
  to
• 1:04:41
  actually
• 1:04:41
  make
• 1:04:41
  sure
• 1:04:41
  that
• 1:04:41
  the
• 1:04:42
  illustrations
• 1:04:42
  made
• 1:04:42
  sense
• 1:04:43
  and
• 1:04:43
  that
• 1:04:43
  I
• 1:04:44
  liked
• 1:04:44
  them,
• 1:04:44
  that
• 1:04:44
  they
• 1:04:44
  actually
• 1:04:45
  meant
• 1:04:45
  something.
• 1:04:46
  And
• 1:04:46
  right
• 1:04:46
  now,
• 1:04:47
  like
• 1:04:47
  I
• 1:04:47
  said,
• 1:04:47
  I'm
• 1:04:48
  three
• 1:04:48
  quarters
• 1:04:48
  of
• 1:04:48
  the
• 1:04:48
  way
• 1:04:48
  through
• 1:04:49
  illustrating
• 1:04:49
  the
• 1:04:49
  next
• 1:04:49
  one.
• 1:04:50
  And
• 1:04:50
  I
• 1:04:50
  was
• 1:04:50
  like,
• 1:04:50
  oh,
• 1:04:51
  for
• 1:04:51
  my
• 1:04:51
  next
• 1:04:51
  book,
• 1:04:52
  I
• 1:04:52
  know
• 1:04:52
  the
• 1:04:52
  process.
• 1:04:53
  I'm
• 1:04:53
  gonna
• 1:04:53
  just.
• 1:04:54
  In
• 1:04:55
  three
• 1:04:55
  months,
• 1:04:55
  I
• 1:04:55
  can
• 1:04:56
  do
• 1:04:56
  a
• 1:04:56
  new
• 1:04:56
  one.
• 1:04:56
  Yeah.
• 1:04:57
  Like
• 1:04:57
  I
• 1:04:57
  said,
• 1:04:57
  three
• 1:04:57
  fourths
• 1:04:57
  of
• 1:04:57
  the
• 1:04:58
  way
• 1:04:58
  done,
• 1:04:58
  and
• 1:04:58
  I'm
• 1:04:59
  hopefully
• 1:04:59
  gonna
• 1:04:59
  be
• 1:04:59
  done
• 1:04:59
  by
• 1:05:00
  Christmas
• 1:05:00
  time.
• 1:05:00
  But
• 1:05:00
  it's
• 1:05:01
  one
• 1:05:01
  of
• 1:05:01
  these
• 1:05:01
  things
• 1:05:01
  where
• 1:05:02
  I
• 1:05:04
  love
• 1:05:05
  this
• 1:05:05
  book
• 1:05:05
  and
• 1:05:06
  I
• 1:05:06
  love
• 1:05:06
  publication.
• 1:05:07
  I
• 1:05:07
  love
• 1:05:07
  being
• 1:05:07
  a
• 1:05:07
  writer,
• 1:05:08
  and
• 1:05:08
  I
• 1:05:08
  love
• 1:05:08
  being
• 1:05:08
  an
• 1:05:08
  illustrator.
• 1:05:09
  But
• 1:05:09
  what
• 1:05:09
  I
• 1:05:09
  love
• 1:05:09
  even
• 1:05:10
  more
• 1:05:10
  is
• 1:05:11
  spending
• 1:05:11
  time
• 1:05:11
  with
• 1:05:11
  my
• 1:05:12
  kid
• 1:05:12
  and
• 1:05:12
  just
• 1:05:13
  being
• 1:05:13
  able
• 1:05:13
  to
• 1:05:13
  really
• 1:05:14
  fulfill
• 1:05:15
  that
• 1:05:15
  kind
• 1:05:15
  of
• 1:05:15
  need
• 1:05:15
  there.
• 1:05:16
  So
• 1:05:16
  anytime
• 1:05:17
  that
• 1:05:18
  I'm
• 1:05:18
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• 1:05:18
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• 1:05:18
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• 1:05:18
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• 1:05:19
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• 1:05:19
  stuff
• 1:05:19
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• 1:05:19
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• 1:05:20
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• 1:05:20
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• 1:05:21
  with
• 1:05:21
  her,
• 1:05:22
  and
• 1:05:22
  she
• 1:05:22
  also.
• 1:05:23
  There's
• 1:05:23
  times
• 1:05:23
  where
• 1:05:23
  she'll
• 1:05:24
  just
• 1:05:24
  want
• 1:05:24
  to
• 1:05:24
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• 1:05:24
  out,
• 1:05:24
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• 1:05:25
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• 1:05:25
  movie.
• 1:05:25
  So
• 1:05:25
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• 1:05:25
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• 1:05:26
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• 1:05:26
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• 1:05:26
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• 1:05:26
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• 1:05:27
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• 1:05:27
  me
• 1:05:27
  drawing,
• 1:05:27
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• 1:05:28
  she'll
• 1:05:28
  also
• 1:05:28
  want
• 1:05:29
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• 1:05:29
  draw
• 1:05:29
  too.
• 1:05:29
  So
• 1:05:29
  I
• 1:05:30
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• 1:05:30
  up
• 1:05:30
  a
• 1:05:30
  whole
• 1:05:30
  new
• 1:05:31
  little
• 1:05:32
  whatever
• 1:05:32
  page.
• 1:05:32
  So
• 1:05:33
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• 1:05:33
  iPad
• 1:05:34
  has
• 1:05:34
  30
• 1:05:35
  pages
• 1:05:35
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• 1:05:35
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• 1:05:36
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• 1:05:36
  drawings
• 1:05:37
  on
• 1:05:37
  it,
• 1:05:37
  because
• 1:05:37
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• 1:05:38
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• 1:05:38
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• 1:05:38
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• 1:05:38
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• 1:05:39
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• 1:05:39
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• 1:05:39
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• 1:05:39
  draw
• 1:05:39
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• 1:05:39
  too.
• 1:05:40
  Yeah,
• 1:05:40
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• 1:05:41
  fantastic.
• 1:05:42
  Now
• 1:05:42
  that
• 1:05:42
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• 1:05:43
  shared
• 1:05:44
  your
• 1:05:44
  story
• 1:05:44
  here,
• 1:05:45
  I'm.
• 1:05:46
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• 1:05:46
  curious
• 1:05:47
  advice
• 1:05:47
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• 1:05:48
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• 1:05:49
  authors.
• 1:05:50
  Now,
• 1:05:51
  I
• 1:05:51
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• 1:05:51
  want
• 1:05:51
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• 1:05:51
  say
• 1:05:51
  you're
• 1:05:52
  a
• 1:05:52
  newly
• 1:05:52
  minted
• 1:05:53
  children's
• 1:05:53
  book
• 1:05:53
  author.
• 1:05:54
  You're
• 1:05:54
  fairly
• 1:05:55
  new
• 1:05:55
  to
• 1:05:55
  this
• 1:05:55
  genre.
• 1:05:57
  Talk.
• 1:05:57
  Talk
• 1:05:57
  to
• 1:05:57
  us.
• 1:05:58
  What
• 1:05:58
  advice
• 1:05:58
  would
• 1:05:58
  you
• 1:05:59
  give
• 1:05:59
  aspiring
• 1:06:00
  children's
• 1:06:00
  book
• 1:06:01
  authors?
• 1:06:02
  I
• 1:06:03
  think
• 1:06:03
  one
• 1:06:03
  of
• 1:06:03
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• 1:06:03
  biggest
• 1:06:03
  thing
• 1:06:03
  is
• 1:06:04
  research.
• 1:06:05
  I
• 1:06:05
  feel
• 1:06:05
  like
• 1:06:06
  nowadays
• 1:06:06
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• 1:06:07
  it's
• 1:06:07
  so
• 1:06:07
  easy
• 1:06:08
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• 1:06:08
  fall
• 1:06:08
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• 1:06:09
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• 1:06:09
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• 1:06:09
  streamliner
• 1:06:10
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• 1:06:10
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• 1:06:10
  advertisement.
• 1:06:11
  Been
• 1:06:11
  like,
• 1:06:11
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• 1:06:11
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• 1:06:12
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• 1:06:12
  illustrator
• 1:06:12
  book
• 1:06:13
  for
• 1:06:13
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• 1:06:13
  would
• 1:06:14
  be
• 1:06:14
  $2,000,
• 1:06:15
  but
• 1:06:15
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• 1:06:15
  can
• 1:06:16
  do
• 1:06:16
  a
• 1:06:16
  special
• 1:06:16
  for
• 1:06:16
  299
• 1:06:18
  vanity
• 1:06:19
  publishers,
• 1:06:19
  stuff
• 1:06:20
  like
• 1:06:20
  that,
• 1:06:20
  or
• 1:06:20
  hybrid
• 1:06:20
  publishers
• 1:06:21
  that
• 1:06:21
  you
• 1:06:21
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• 1:06:21
  pay
• 1:06:22
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• 1:06:23
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• 1:06:23
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• 1:06:23
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• 1:06:23
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• 1:06:24
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• 1:06:24
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• 1:06:24
  they
• 1:06:24
  get
• 1:06:24
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• 1:06:24
  keep
• 1:06:24
  the
• 1:06:25
  title
• 1:06:25
  of
• 1:06:25
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• 1:06:25
  book.
• 1:06:25
  There's
• 1:06:26
  a
• 1:06:26
  lot
• 1:06:26
  of
• 1:06:26
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• 1:06:26
  out
• 1:06:26
  there
• 1:06:26
  where
• 1:06:28
  it
• 1:06:28
  sounds
• 1:06:28
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• 1:06:29
  at
• 1:06:29
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• 1:06:29
  it
• 1:06:30
  sounds
• 1:06:30
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• 1:06:31
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• 1:06:31
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• 1:06:32
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• 1:06:32
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• 1:06:32
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• 1:06:33
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• 1:06:33
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• 1:06:33
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• 1:06:34
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• 1:06:34
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• 1:06:34
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• 1:06:35
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• 1:06:35
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• 1:06:36
  Facebook
• 1:06:36
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• 1:06:37
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• 1:06:37
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• 1:06:38
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• 1:06:38
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• 1:06:38
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• 1:06:39
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• 1:06:39
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• 1:06:39
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• 1:06:39
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• 1:06:40
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• 1:06:40
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• 1:06:40
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• 1:06:40
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• 1:06:40
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• 1:06:41
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• 1:06:41
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• 1:06:41
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• 1:06:41
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• 1:06:41
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• 1:06:41
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• 1:06:42
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• 1:06:42
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• 1:06:42
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• 1:06:43
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• 1:06:44
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• 1:06:44
  People
• 1:06:44
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• 1:06:45
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• 1:06:45
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• 1:06:45
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• 1:06:45
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• 1:06:45
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• 1:06:45
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• 1:06:46
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• 1:06:46
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• 1:06:46
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• 1:06:47
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• 1:06:47
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• 1:06:47
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• 1:06:48
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• 1:06:48
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• 1:06:48
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• 1:06:49
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• 1:06:49
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• 1:06:49
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• 1:06:50
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• 1:06:50
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• 1:06:50
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• 1:06:50
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• 1:06:51
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• 1:06:51
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• 1:06:51
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• 1:06:51
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• 1:06:52
  But
• 1:06:52
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• 1:06:52
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• 1:06:52
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• 1:06:53
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• 1:06:54
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• 1:06:54
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• 1:06:54
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• 1:06:55
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• 1:06:55
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• 1:06:56
  say,
• 1:06:57
  I'm
• 1:06:57
  looking
• 1:06:57
  for
• 1:06:57
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• 1:06:57
  illustrator.
• 1:06:59
  And
• 1:06:59
  there
• 1:07:00
  are
• 1:07:01
  a
• 1:07:01
  good
• 1:07:01
  amount
• 1:07:02
  of
• 1:07:02
  scams
• 1:07:02
  out
• 1:07:02
  there,
• 1:07:02
  unfortunately,
• 1:07:03
  nowadays.
• 1:07:04
  And
• 1:07:05
  there's
• 1:07:06
  nothing
• 1:07:06
  that
• 1:07:06
  kills
• 1:07:07
  motivation
• 1:07:07
  more
• 1:07:08
  than
• 1:07:09
  wasted
• 1:07:09
  months
• 1:07:09
  of
• 1:07:09
  time.
• 1:07:10
  You
• 1:07:10
  just
• 1:07:11
  lost
• 1:07:11
  a
• 1:07:11
  few
• 1:07:11
  hundred,
• 1:07:12
  maybe
• 1:07:12
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• 1:07:12
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• 1:07:12
  few
• 1:07:12
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• 1:07:12
  dollars
• 1:07:13
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• 1:07:13
  what
• 1:07:13
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• 1:07:13
  seen.
• 1:07:14
  And
• 1:07:14
  now
• 1:07:15
  nothing
• 1:07:16
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• 1:07:16
  at
• 1:07:16
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• 1:07:17
  player.
• 1:07:18
  I
• 1:07:20
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• 1:07:20
  think
• 1:07:20
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• 1:07:20
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• 1:07:21
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• 1:07:21
  research
• 1:07:21
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• 1:07:21
  people
• 1:07:22
  should
• 1:07:22
  put
• 1:07:22
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• 1:07:22
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• 1:07:23
  And
• 1:07:24
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• 1:07:24
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• 1:07:24
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• 1:07:24
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• 1:07:24
  I
• 1:07:25
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• 1:07:25
  try
• 1:07:25
  and
• 1:07:26
  help
• 1:07:26
  people
• 1:07:26
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• 1:07:26
  free
• 1:07:27
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• 1:07:27
  I
• 1:07:27
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• 1:07:27
  much
• 1:07:28
  rather
• 1:07:28
  them
• 1:07:28
  keep
• 1:07:29
  up
• 1:07:29
  their
• 1:07:29
  motivation.
• 1:07:30
  And
• 1:07:30
  it's
• 1:07:30
  interesting
• 1:07:31
  you
• 1:07:31
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• 1:07:31
  say
• 1:07:31
  that.
• 1:07:32
  I've
• 1:07:32
  already
• 1:07:32
  had
• 1:07:33
  a
• 1:07:33
  book
• 1:07:33
  formatter
• 1:07:34
  on
• 1:07:34
  our
• 1:07:34
  show
• 1:07:35
  talk
• 1:07:36
  about
• 1:07:37
  formatting
• 1:07:37
  and
• 1:07:38
  that
• 1:07:38
  whole
• 1:07:39
  mystique
• 1:07:39
  behind
• 1:07:40
  that
• 1:07:40
  and
• 1:07:41
  so
• 1:07:41
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• 1:07:41
  people
• 1:07:42
  understand
• 1:07:42
  that
• 1:07:43
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• 1:07:43
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• 1:07:43
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• 1:07:44
  And
• 1:07:44
  I've
• 1:07:44
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• 1:07:45
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• 1:07:45
  a
• 1:07:46
  website
• 1:07:46
  designer
• 1:07:48
  on
• 1:07:48
  our
• 1:07:48
  show.
• 1:07:49
  And
• 1:07:49
  my
• 1:07:49
  goal
• 1:07:50
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• 1:07:50
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• 1:07:50
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• 1:07:51
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• 1:07:51
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• 1:07:51
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• 1:07:52
  roles
• 1:07:52
  that
• 1:07:53
  it
• 1:07:53
  takes
• 1:07:53
  to
• 1:07:53
  put
• 1:07:54
  a
• 1:07:54
  book
• 1:07:54
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• 1:07:55
  And
• 1:07:55
  for
• 1:07:56
  people
• 1:07:56
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• 1:07:56
  understand
• 1:07:58
  that
• 1:07:58
  in
• 1:07:58
  a
• 1:07:58
  lot
• 1:07:58
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• 1:07:58
  cases,
• 1:07:59
  they
• 1:07:59
  can
• 1:07:59
  be
• 1:07:59
  their
• 1:08:00
  own
• 1:08:00
  general
• 1:08:01
  manager
• 1:08:02
  behind
• 1:08:02
  their
• 1:08:03
  book.
• 1:08:04
  And
• 1:08:04
  all
• 1:08:04
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• 1:08:05
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• 1:08:05
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• 1:08:05
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• 1:08:05
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• 1:08:05
  understand
• 1:08:06
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• 1:08:07
  only
• 1:08:07
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• 1:08:07
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• 1:08:07
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• 1:08:08
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• 1:08:08
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• 1:08:09
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• 1:08:10
  actually
• 1:08:10
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• 1:08:10
  publishing
• 1:08:11
  a
• 1:08:11
  children's
• 1:08:12
  book.
• 1:08:12
  And
• 1:08:13
  if
• 1:08:13
  you
• 1:08:13
  understand
• 1:08:14
  those
• 1:08:14
  rules
• 1:08:15
  and
• 1:08:16
  have
• 1:08:16
  a
• 1:08:16
  little
• 1:08:17
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• 1:08:17
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• 1:08:17
  a
• 1:08:17
  plan,
• 1:08:18
  you
• 1:08:18
  can
• 1:08:18
  definitely
• 1:08:20
  do
• 1:08:20
  as
• 1:08:20
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• 1:08:21
  describing,
• 1:08:21
  Jake.
• 1:08:22
  You
• 1:08:22
  can
• 1:08:23
  do
• 1:08:23
  your
• 1:08:23
  own
• 1:08:24
  independent
• 1:08:25
  book
• 1:08:25
  publishing
• 1:08:26
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• 1:08:26
  come
• 1:08:26
  up
• 1:08:26
  with
• 1:08:26
  a
• 1:08:27
  beautiful
• 1:08:27
  book,
• 1:08:28
  100%.
• 1:08:29
  And
• 1:08:29
  I
• 1:08:29
  think
• 1:08:29
  that's.
• 1:08:30
  It's
• 1:08:30
  something
• 1:08:31
  where,
• 1:08:32
  you
• 1:08:33
  know,
• 1:08:33
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• 1:08:34
  I
• 1:08:35
  think
• 1:08:35
  people
• 1:08:35
  are
• 1:08:35
  like,
• 1:08:35
  oh,
• 1:08:35
  like,
• 1:08:36
  I
• 1:08:36
  can,
• 1:08:36
  yeah,
• 1:08:36
  format
• 1:08:36
  it
• 1:08:36
  myself,
• 1:08:37
  or
• 1:08:37
  I
• 1:08:37
  can
• 1:08:37
  edit
• 1:08:37
  myself,
• 1:08:38
  or
• 1:08:38
  I
• 1:08:38
  can
• 1:08:39
  do
• 1:08:39
  all
• 1:08:39
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• 1:08:39
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• 1:08:39
  of
• 1:08:39
  stuff.
• 1:08:39
  Definitely,
• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:40
  for
• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:40
  you
• 1:08:41
  can
• 1:08:41
  definitely
• 1:08:41
  try
• 1:08:41
  for
• 1:08:41
  it.
• 1:08:42
  I
• 1:08:42
  wasn't
• 1:08:42
  a
• 1:08:43
  formatter,
• 1:08:43
  and
• 1:08:43
  now
• 1:08:44
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• 1:08:44
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• 1:08:44
  look
• 1:08:44
  at
• 1:08:44
  it
• 1:08:44
  and
• 1:08:45
  shoot,
• 1:08:45
  I
• 1:08:45
  should
• 1:08:45
  have
• 1:08:45
  had
• 1:08:45
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• 1:08:46
  formatted
• 1:08:46
  myself.
• 1:08:46
  That's
• 1:08:47
  why
• 1:08:47
  they're
• 1:08:47
  experts.
• 1:08:47
  So
• 1:08:48
  we
• 1:08:48
  get
• 1:08:48
  paid
• 1:08:48
  because
• 1:08:48
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• 1:08:49
  like
• 1:08:49
  To
• 1:08:49
  I
• 1:08:49
  want
• 1:08:49
  to
• 1:08:50
  pick
• 1:08:50
  up
• 1:08:50
  on
• 1:08:50
  what
• 1:08:50
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• 1:08:50
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• 1:08:51
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• 1:08:51
  there
• 1:08:51
  for
• 1:08:51
  a
• 1:08:51
  second.
• 1:08:52
  Most
• 1:08:52
  of
• 1:08:52
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• 1:08:53
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• 1:08:53
  that
• 1:08:53
  we're
• 1:08:53
  talking
• 1:08:54
  about,
• 1:08:54
  except
• 1:08:55
  for
• 1:08:55
  illustrating,
• 1:08:58
  are
• 1:08:58
  relatively
• 1:08:59
  inexpensive.
• 1:09:00
  If
• 1:09:00
  you
• 1:09:00
  wanted
• 1:09:01
  to
• 1:09:01
  get
• 1:09:01
  your
• 1:09:01
  book
• 1:09:02
  professionally
• 1:09:03
  edited,
• 1:09:04
  it's
• 1:09:04
  probably
• 1:09:05
  less
• 1:09:05
  than
• 1:09:05
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• 1:09:06
  bucks.
• 1:09:06
  And
• 1:09:07
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• 1:09:07
  do
• 1:09:07
  I
• 1:09:07
  say
• 1:09:07
  that
• 1:09:08
  is
• 1:09:08
  because
• 1:09:09
  most
• 1:09:10
  editors
• 1:09:11
  charge
• 1:09:11
  you
• 1:09:12
  by
• 1:09:12
  the
• 1:09:12
  word,
• 1:09:13
  while
• 1:09:14
  most
• 1:09:14
  children's
• 1:09:15
  books
• 1:09:15
  it's
• 1:09:16
  between
• 1:09:16
  500
• 1:09:17
  and
• 1:09:18
  1000
• 1:09:18
  words.
• 1:09:19
  So
• 1:09:20
  again,
• 1:09:20
  you
• 1:09:21
  can
• 1:09:21
  see
• 1:09:21
  it's
• 1:09:22
  the
• 1:09:22
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• 1:09:23
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• 1:09:23
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• 1:09:23
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• 1:09:23
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• 1:09:24
  important,
• 1:09:25
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• 1:09:25
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• 1:09:25
  the
• 1:09:26
  least
• 1:09:26
  expensive
• 1:09:27
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• 1:09:27
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• 1:09:27
  you're
• 1:09:28
  going
• 1:09:28
  to
• 1:09:28
  invest
• 1:09:28
  your
• 1:09:29
  money
• 1:09:29
  in.
• 1:09:30
  And
• 1:09:31
  even
• 1:09:31
  when
• 1:09:31
  it
• 1:09:31
  comes
• 1:09:31
  to
• 1:09:32
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• 1:09:32
  formatting
• 1:09:33
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• 1:09:33
  all
• 1:09:34
  of
• 1:09:34
  that,
• 1:09:35
  in
• 1:09:35
  the
• 1:09:35
  grand
• 1:09:36
  scheme
• 1:09:36
  of
• 1:09:36
  things,
• 1:09:37
  that's
• 1:09:37
  the
• 1:09:38
  least
• 1:09:38
  expensive
• 1:09:38
  part
• 1:09:39
  of
• 1:09:39
  the
• 1:09:39
  book.
• 1:09:39
  Unless
• 1:09:40
  you're
• 1:09:40
  an
• 1:09:40
  illustrator,
• 1:09:41
  that's
• 1:09:41
  going
• 1:09:41
  to
• 1:09:42
  be
• 1:09:42
  your
• 1:09:42
  biggest
• 1:09:42
  investment
• 1:09:43
  is
• 1:09:43
  the
• 1:09:43
  illustrations.
• 1:09:45
  Yeah,
• 1:09:46
  and
• 1:09:47
  I
• 1:09:47
  know
• 1:09:48
  it's
• 1:09:48
  old
• 1:09:48
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• 1:09:48
  of
• 1:09:49
  spend
• 1:09:49
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• 1:09:49
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• 1:09:50
  make
• 1:09:50
  money
• 1:09:50
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• 1:09:50
  whatever
• 1:09:51
  have
• 1:09:51
  you.
• 1:09:51
  And
• 1:09:52
  especially
• 1:09:52
  too,
• 1:09:52
  it
• 1:09:53
  can
• 1:09:53
  be
• 1:09:53
  very
• 1:09:53
  expensive
• 1:09:54
  the
• 1:09:54
  full
• 1:09:55
  process
• 1:09:55
  of
• 1:09:56
  printing
• 1:09:56
  a
• 1:09:56
  book.
• 1:09:57
  But
• 1:09:58
  if
• 1:09:58
  you
• 1:09:59
  truly
• 1:09:59
  do
• 1:10:00
  want
• 1:10:00
  something
• 1:10:01
  that
• 1:10:01
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• 1:10:01
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• 1:10:02
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• 1:10:02
  will
• 1:10:02
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• 1:10:02
  a
• 1:10:03
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• 1:10:03
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• 1:10:03
  sales
• 1:10:03
  at
• 1:10:03
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• 1:10:04
  it
• 1:10:04
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• 1:10:04
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• 1:10:04
  proven
• 1:10:05
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• 1:10:05
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• 1:10:06
  worth
• 1:10:06
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• 1:10:06
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• 1:10:06
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• 1:10:07
  the
• 1:10:07
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• 1:10:07
  illustrator,
• 1:10:08
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• 1:10:08
  the
• 1:10:08
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• 1:10:09
  formatter
• 1:10:09
  editor
• 1:10:10
  or
• 1:10:11
  the
• 1:10:11
  marketer
• 1:10:12
  to
• 1:10:12
  really,
• 1:10:13
  truly
• 1:10:13
  launch
• 1:10:14
  your
• 1:10:14
  book
• 1:10:14
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• 1:10:15
  do
• 1:10:15
  this
• 1:10:15
  up.
• 1:10:16
  I
• 1:10:16
  know
• 1:10:16
  obviously,
• 1:10:17
  like
• 1:10:17
  I
• 1:10:17
  said,
• 1:10:17
  with
• 1:10:17
  the
• 1:10:17
  rise
• 1:10:18
  of
• 1:10:18
  AI
• 1:10:18
  and
• 1:10:18
  it
• 1:10:18
  can
• 1:10:19
  be
• 1:10:19
  so
• 1:10:19
  easy
• 1:10:19
  just,
• 1:10:20
  oh,
• 1:10:21
  I'll
• 1:10:21
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• 1:10:21
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• 1:10:21
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• 1:10:21
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• 1:10:22
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• 1:10:22
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• 1:10:22
  that
• 1:10:23
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• 1:10:23
  out.
• 1:10:23
  Or
• 1:10:23
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• 1:10:23
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• 1:10:23
  use
• 1:10:24
  generative
• 1:10:24
  AI
• 1:10:25
  for
• 1:10:25
  my
• 1:10:25
  illustrations.
• 1:10:27
  It
• 1:10:28
  just
• 1:10:28
  hasn't
• 1:10:29
  proven
• 1:10:29
  yet
• 1:10:29
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• 1:10:30
  be
• 1:10:31
  selling
• 1:10:31
  any
• 1:10:31
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• 1:10:32
  than
• 1:10:32
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• 1:10:32
  human
• 1:10:33
  illustrator,
• 1:10:33
  a
• 1:10:33
  human
• 1:10:34
  editor
• 1:10:34
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• 1:10:35
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• 1:10:35
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• 1:10:35
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• 1:10:36
  So
• 1:10:36
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• 1:10:36
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• 1:10:36
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• 1:10:36
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• 1:10:36
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• 1:10:37
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• 1:10:37
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• 1:10:38
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• 1:10:38
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• 1:10:38
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• 1:10:38
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• 1:10:38
  what
• 1:10:38
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• 1:10:38
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• 1:10:39
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• 1:10:39
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• 1:10:39
  And
• 1:10:40
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• 1:10:41
  you
• 1:10:41
  know,
• 1:10:41
  you
• 1:10:41
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• 1:10:41
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• 1:10:41
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• 1:10:42
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• 1:10:42
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• 1:10:42
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• 1:10:42
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• 1:10:42
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• 1:10:42
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• 1:10:43
  on
• 1:10:43
  your
• 1:10:43
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• 1:10:43
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• 1:10:43
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• 1:10:43
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• 1:10:44
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• 1:10:44
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• 1:10:44
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• 1:10:44
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• 1:10:44
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• 1:10:44
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• 1:10:44
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• 1:10:45
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• 1:10:45
  said,
• 1:10:46
  I
• 1:10:46
  say
• 1:10:47
  lots
• 1:10:47
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• 1:10:47
  of
• 1:10:47
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• 1:10:47
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• 1:10:47
  And
• 1:10:48
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• 1:10:48
  take
• 1:10:48
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• 1:10:49
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• 1:10:49
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• 1:10:49
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• 1:10:49
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• 1:10:49
  salt
• 1:10:49
  because
• 1:10:50
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• 1:10:50
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• 1:10:50
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• 1:10:50
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• 1:10:51
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• 1:10:51
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• 1:10:52
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• 1:10:52
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• 1:10:52
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• 1:10:52
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• 1:10:53
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• 1:10:53
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• 1:10:54
  my
• 1:10:54
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• 1:10:54
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• 1:10:54
  company.
• 1:10:55
  So
• 1:10:55
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• 1:10:55
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• 1:10:55
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• 1:10:55
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• 1:10:55
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• 1:10:55
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• 1:10:56
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• 1:10:56
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• 1:10:57
  very
• 1:10:57
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• 1:10:57
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• 1:10:57
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• 1:10:58
  myself
• 1:10:58
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• 1:10:58
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• 1:10:59
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• 1:10:59
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• 1:10:59
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• 1:10:59
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• 1:10:59
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• 1:11:00
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• 1:11:00
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• 1:11:00
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• 1:11:00
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• 1:11:00
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• 1:11:00
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• 1:11:01
  But
• 1:11:01
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• 1:11:02
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• 1:11:02
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• 1:11:03
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• 1:11:03
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• 1:11:03
  that
• 1:11:04
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• 1:11:04
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• 1:11:05
  truly
• 1:11:05
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• 1:11:05
  like
• 1:11:06
  a
• 1:11:06
  great
• 1:11:06
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• 1:11:07
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• 1:11:07
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• 1:11:07
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• 1:11:07
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• 1:11:07
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• 1:11:08
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• 1:11:08
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• 1:11:08
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• 1:11:09
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• 1:11:09
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• 1:11:10
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• 1:11:10
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• 1:11:11
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• 1:11:11
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• 1:11:11
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• 1:11:11
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• 1:11:12
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• 1:11:12
  then
• 1:11:12
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• 1:11:12
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• 1:11:13
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• 1:11:13
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• 1:11:13
  solution.
• 1:11:14
  Encouragement
• 1:11:15
  for
• 1:11:15
  readers.
• 1:11:16
  So
• 1:11:16
  tell
• 1:11:16
  us
• 1:11:16
  why
• 1:11:18
  people
• 1:11:18
  should
• 1:11:19
  buy
• 1:11:19
  your
• 1:11:19
  children's
• 1:11:20
  book.
• 1:11:21
  If
• 1:11:21
  it's
• 1:11:22
  especially
• 1:11:22
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• 1:11:22
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• 1:11:22
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• 1:11:23
  It's
• 1:11:23
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• 1:11:23
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• 1:11:24
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• 1:11:24
  just
• 1:11:24
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• 1:11:24
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• 1:11:26
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• 1:11:26
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• 1:11:27
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• 1:11:27
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• 1:11:27
  feel
• 1:11:28
  like
• 1:11:28
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• 1:11:28
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• 1:11:28
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• 1:11:29
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• 1:11:29
  Any
• 1:11:30
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• 1:11:30
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• 1:11:30
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• 1:11:30
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• 1:11:31
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• 1:11:31
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• 1:11:31
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• 1:11:31
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• 1:11:31
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• 1:11:32
  And
• 1:11:32
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• 1:11:32
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• 1:11:33
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• 1:11:33
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• 1:11:34
  out
• 1:11:34
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• 1:11:34
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• 1:11:35
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• 1:11:35
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• 1:11:35
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• 1:11:36
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• 1:11:36
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• 1:11:37
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• 1:11:37
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• 1:11:37
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• 1:11:37
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• 1:11:38
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• 1:11:38
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• 1:11:38
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• 1:11:39
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• 1:11:39
  them
• 1:11:39
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• 1:11:39
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• 1:11:40
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• 1:11:40
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• 1:11:40
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• 1:11:41
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• 1:11:41
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• 1:11:41
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• 1:11:41
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• 1:11:42
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• 1:11:42
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• 1:11:43
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• 1:11:44
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• 1:11:45
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• 1:11:45
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• 1:11:45
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• 1:11:46
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• 1:11:46
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• 1:11:46
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• 1:11:47
  So
• 1:11:47
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• 1:11:48
  something
• 1:11:48
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• 1:11:49
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• 1:11:50
  Bug
• 1:11:50
  Hug,
• 1:11:50
  for
• 1:11:50
  instance,
• 1:11:51
  is
• 1:11:53
  a
• 1:11:53
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• 1:11:54
  book,
• 1:11:54
  but
• 1:11:54
  I
• 1:11:55
  feel
• 1:11:55
  like
• 1:11:55
  it
• 1:11:55
  has
• 1:11:55
  such
• 1:11:55
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• 1:11:55
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• 1:11:56
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• 1:11:56
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• 1:11:57
  it.
• 1:11:57
  It's
• 1:11:58
  a
• 1:11:58
  nice,
• 1:11:58
  easy,
• 1:11:59
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• 1:11:59
  reading
• 1:12:00
  book.
• 1:12:01
  It
• 1:12:01
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• 1:12:02
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• 1:12:02
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• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:04
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• 1:12:04
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• 1:12:04
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• 1:12:05
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• 1:12:05
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• 1:12:06
  in
• 1:12:06
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• 1:12:06
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• 1:12:06
  but
• 1:12:06
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• 1:12:06
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• 1:12:07
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• 1:12:07
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• 1:12:07
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• 1:12:07
  day
• 1:12:07
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• 1:12:07
  it's
• 1:12:08
  all
• 1:12:08
  about
• 1:12:08
  just
• 1:12:08
  hugging
• 1:12:09
  a
• 1:12:09
  loved
• 1:12:09
  one.
• 1:12:09
  And
• 1:12:09
  your
• 1:12:10
  illustrations
• 1:12:10
  are
• 1:12:11
  great.
• 1:12:11
  So
• 1:12:12
  thank
• 1:12:12
  you.
• 1:12:12
  I
• 1:12:12
  appreciate
• 1:12:13
  that.
• 1:12:13
  Yeah,
• 1:12:13
  no
• 1:12:14
  problem.
• 1:12:15
  Final
• 1:12:15
  thoughts.
• 1:12:16
  Is
• 1:12:16
  there
• 1:12:16
  something
• 1:12:16
  you
• 1:12:17
  said?
• 1:12:17
  Oh,
• 1:12:17
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• 1:12:17
  I
• 1:12:17
  wish
• 1:12:18
  Rick
• 1:12:18
  would
• 1:12:19
  ask
• 1:12:19
  me
• 1:12:19
  that
• 1:12:19
  question.
• 1:12:20
  Any
• 1:12:21
  final
• 1:12:21
  thoughts?
• 1:12:22
  Not
• 1:12:23
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• 1:12:23
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• 1:12:23
  to
• 1:12:23
  mind.
• 1:12:24
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• 1:12:24
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• 1:12:24
  say
• 1:12:24
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• 1:12:24
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• 1:12:24
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• 1:12:25
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• 1:12:25
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• 1:12:25
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• 1:12:26
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• 1:12:26
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• 1:12:26
  on
• 1:12:26
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• 1:12:27
  and
• 1:12:27
  I've
• 1:12:27
  had
• 1:12:27
  a
• 1:12:27
  couple
• 1:12:27
  people
• 1:12:28
  like
• 1:12:28
  bring
• 1:12:29
  up
• 1:12:29
  asking,
• 1:12:30
  for
• 1:12:31
  instance,
• 1:12:31
  in
• 1:12:31
  my
• 1:12:31
  book
• 1:12:31
  here,
• 1:12:32
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• 1:12:33
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• 1:12:33
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• 1:12:33
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• 1:12:34
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• 1:12:34
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• 1:12:34
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• 1:12:35
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• 1:12:35
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• 1:12:35
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• 1:12:35
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• 1:12:36
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• 1:12:36
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• 1:12:37
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• 1:12:37
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• 1:12:37
  for
• 1:12:38
  all
• 1:12:38
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• 1:12:38
  different
• 1:12:38
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• 1:12:38
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• 1:12:39
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• 1:12:39
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• 1:12:39
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• 1:12:40
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• 1:12:40
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• 1:12:40
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• 1:12:40
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• 1:12:40
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• 1:12:40
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• 1:12:41
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• 1:12:41
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• 1:12:41
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• 1:12:42
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• 1:12:42
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• 1:12:42
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• 1:12:42
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• 1:12:43
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• 1:12:43
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• 1:12:44
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• 1:12:44
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• 1:12:45
  you
• 1:12:46
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• 1:12:46
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• 1:12:46
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• 1:12:47
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• 1:12:47
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• 1:12:47
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• 1:12:47
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• 1:12:48
  and
• 1:12:48
  they
• 1:12:49
  have
• 1:12:49
  purple
• 1:12:49
  flowers
• 1:12:49
  here.
• 1:12:50
  And
• 1:12:50
  so
• 1:12:50
  people
• 1:12:51
  were
• 1:12:51
  wondering
• 1:12:51
  if
• 1:12:51
  there's
• 1:12:52
  any
• 1:12:52
  kind
• 1:12:52
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• 1:12:53
  Just
• 1:12:53
  because
• 1:12:53
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• 1:12:54
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• 1:12:54
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• 1:12:54
  that
• 1:12:54
  color
• 1:12:55
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• 1:12:55
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• 1:12:55
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• 1:12:55
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• 1:12:55
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• 1:12:55
  the
• 1:12:55
  flowers.
• 1:12:56
  And
• 1:12:57
  one
• 1:12:57
  of
• 1:12:57
  the
• 1:12:57
  things
• 1:12:57
  I
• 1:12:58
  was
• 1:12:58
  going
• 1:12:58
  for
• 1:12:58
  in
• 1:12:58
  this
• 1:12:59
  book
• 1:12:59
  is
• 1:12:59
  that
• 1:12:59
  if
• 1:12:59
  you
• 1:13:00
  notice
• 1:13:00
  at
• 1:13:00
  the
• 1:13:00
  very
• 1:13:00
  end,
• 1:13:01
  it
• 1:13:01
  has
• 1:13:02
  all
• 1:13:03
  the
• 1:13:03
  different
• 1:13:03
  color
• 1:13:03
  flowers
• 1:13:04
  at
• 1:13:04
  the
• 1:13:04
  end
• 1:13:04
  showing
• 1:13:05
  that
• 1:13:05
  not
• 1:13:05
  only
• 1:13:06
  is
• 1:13:06
  it
• 1:13:06
  obviously
• 1:13:07
  mamas
• 1:13:07
  that's
• 1:13:08
  there
• 1:13:08
  to
• 1:13:08
  support,
• 1:13:09
  but
• 1:13:10
  all
• 1:13:10
  the
• 1:13:10
  forest
• 1:13:11
  friends
• 1:13:11
  that,
• 1:13:12
  you
• 1:13:12
  know,
• 1:13:12
  did
• 1:13:13
  their
• 1:13:13
  best
• 1:13:13
  or
• 1:13:14
  gave
• 1:13:14
  their
• 1:13:14
  advice
• 1:13:14
  that
• 1:13:15
  they're
• 1:13:15
  also
• 1:13:16
  there
• 1:13:16
  in
• 1:13:16
  love
• 1:13:17
  and
• 1:13:17
  support
• 1:13:17
  of
• 1:13:18
  the
• 1:13:18
  bug
• 1:13:18
  too.
• 1:13:19
  Nice
• 1:13:20
  touch.
• 1:13:20
  Nice
• 1:13:21
  touch.
• 1:13:21
  Thank
• 1:13:22
  you.
• 1:13:23
  Yeah.
• 1:13:23
  No,
• 1:13:23
  it's
• 1:13:24
  interesting
• 1:13:24
  because
• 1:13:24
  I've
• 1:13:25
  seen
• 1:13:25
  people
• 1:13:26
  use
• 1:13:26
  different
• 1:13:27
  imagery
• 1:13:27
  throughout
• 1:13:28
  the
• 1:13:28
  book.
• 1:13:29
  Recently,
• 1:13:29
  a
• 1:13:29
  guest
• 1:13:30
  on
• 1:13:30
  who
• 1:13:30
  had
• 1:13:31
  butterflies,
• 1:13:32
  and
• 1:13:33
  she
• 1:13:33
  just
• 1:13:33
  had
• 1:13:34
  the
• 1:13:34
  illustrator
• 1:13:34
  hide
• 1:13:35
  a
• 1:13:35
  butterfly
• 1:13:36
  on
• 1:13:36
  each
• 1:13:36
  page
• 1:13:37
  so
• 1:13:37
  that
• 1:13:38
  people
• 1:13:38
  could
• 1:13:39
  eventually
• 1:13:40
  go
• 1:13:40
  back
• 1:13:41
  and
• 1:13:41
  look.
• 1:13:41
  And
• 1:13:41
  I've
• 1:13:42
  seen
• 1:13:42
  that
• 1:13:42
  with
• 1:13:42
  bees,
• 1:13:43
  I've
• 1:13:44
  seen
• 1:13:44
  it
• 1:13:44
  with
• 1:13:44
  lassoes.
• 1:13:46
  All
• 1:13:46
  kinds
• 1:13:46
  of
• 1:13:46
  different
• 1:13:47
  little
• 1:13:48
  fun
• 1:13:48
  imagery
• 1:13:49
  to
• 1:13:50
  engage
• 1:13:50
  the
• 1:13:51
  reader.
• 1:13:51
  You
• 1:13:51
  know
• 1:13:52
  what?
• 1:13:52
  Then
• 1:13:52
  they
• 1:13:52
  go
• 1:13:53
  back
• 1:13:53
  once,
• 1:13:54
  once
• 1:13:54
  they're
• 1:13:54
  aware
• 1:13:55
  of
• 1:13:55
  that
• 1:13:55
  or
• 1:13:55
  they
• 1:13:56
  become
• 1:13:56
  aware
• 1:13:56
  of
• 1:13:56
  that,
• 1:13:57
  they'll
• 1:13:57
  go
• 1:13:57
  back
• 1:13:57
  and
• 1:13:58
  reread
• 1:13:58
  the
• 1:13:58
  book
• 1:13:59
  several
• 1:13:59
  times.
• 1:14:00
  And
• 1:14:01
  that's.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah,
• 1:14:01
  kind
• 1:14:01
  of
• 1:14:01
  part
• 1:14:02
  of
• 1:14:02
  it
• 1:14:02
  too.
• 1:14:02
  It's
• 1:14:02
  just
• 1:14:02
  I
• 1:14:02
  want
• 1:14:03
  to
• 1:14:03
  show
• 1:14:03
  my
• 1:14:03
  book
• 1:14:03
  it's
• 1:14:04
  not
• 1:14:04
  just
• 1:14:04
  this
• 1:14:04
  bug's
• 1:14:05
  doing
• 1:14:05
  this
• 1:14:05
  and
• 1:14:05
  bug
• 1:14:06
  that
• 1:14:06
  does
• 1:14:06
  that.
• 1:14:06
  It's
• 1:14:07
  like
• 1:14:07
  there's
• 1:14:07
  a
• 1:14:07
  little
• 1:14:07
  more
• 1:14:07
  kind
• 1:14:07
  of
• 1:14:08
  depth
• 1:14:08
  behind
• 1:14:08
  it.
• 1:14:08
  There'
• 1:14:09
  more
• 1:14:09
  kind
• 1:14:09
  of
• 1:14:09
  meaning.
• 1:14:10
  And
• 1:14:10
  you
• 1:14:10
  see
• 1:14:11
  that.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah.
• 1:14:11
  Some
• 1:14:11
  of
• 1:14:11
  these
• 1:14:11
  other
• 1:14:11
  books,
• 1:14:12
  especially
• 1:14:12
  with
• 1:14:12
  the
• 1:14:12
  butterflies
• 1:14:13
  too,
• 1:14:13
  that
• 1:14:13
  that's
• 1:14:13
  when
• 1:14:14
  the
• 1:14:14
  illustrator
• 1:14:14
  or
• 1:14:15
  the
• 1:14:15
  storyline
• 1:14:15
  was
• 1:14:15
  going
• 1:14:16
  through
• 1:14:16
  this.
• 1:14:17
  That
• 1:14:17
  it's
• 1:14:18
  not
• 1:14:18
  just
• 1:14:18
  I'm
• 1:14:18
  drawing
• 1:14:18
  a
• 1:14:19
  tree,
• 1:14:19
  it's
• 1:14:19
  no
• 1:14:19
  I'm
• 1:14:20
  drawing,
• 1:14:20
  but
• 1:14:20
  there's
• 1:14:20
  depth
• 1:14:21
  and
• 1:14:21
  there's
• 1:14:21
  like
• 1:14:21
  a
• 1:14:22
  subplot
• 1:14:22
  to
• 1:14:23
  the
• 1:14:23
  plot
• 1:14:23
  kind
• 1:14:23
  of
• 1:14:23
  thing.
• 1:14:24
  He
• 1:14:24
  just
• 1:14:24
  adds
• 1:14:24
  more
• 1:14:24
  a
• 1:14:25
  little
• 1:14:25
  bit.
• 1:14:25
  Fantastic.
• 1:14:26
  Jake,
• 1:14:27
  thank
• 1:14:27
  you
• 1:14:27
  so
• 1:14:27
  much
• 1:14:28
  for
• 1:14:28
  being
• 1:14:28
  a
• 1:14:28
  guest
• 1:14:28
  on
• 1:14:29
  the
• 1:14:29
  Adventures
• 1:14:30
  in
• 1:14:30
  the
• 1:14:30
  Heart
• 1:14:30
  of
• 1:14:30
  Children's
• 1:14:31
  Book
• 1:14:31
  Authors
• 1:14:31
  podcast.
• 1:14:33
  I
• 1:14:33
  really
• 1:14:33
  appreciate
• 1:14:34
  it,
• 1:14:34
  your
• 1:14:34
  generosity
• 1:14:35
  of
• 1:14:35
  time,
• 1:14:36
  your
• 1:14:36
  insights.
• 1:14:37
  I'm
• 1:14:37
  always
• 1:14:37
  looking
• 1:14:38
  for,
• 1:14:39
  like
• 1:14:39
  I
• 1:14:39
  said
• 1:14:39
  to
• 1:14:39
  you,
• 1:14:39
  my
• 1:14:40
  first
• 1:14:40
  guest
• 1:14:40
  with
• 1:14:41
  talking
• 1:14:41
  about
• 1:14:41
  a
• 1:14:42
  board
• 1:14:42
  book
• 1:14:42
  and
• 1:14:43
  even
• 1:14:43
  though
• 1:14:43
  people
• 1:14:44
  have
• 1:14:44
  talked
• 1:14:44
  about
• 1:14:45
  it,
• 1:14:45
  I've
• 1:14:46
  never
• 1:14:46
  had
• 1:14:46
  a
• 1:14:46
  guest
• 1:14:47
  on
• 1:14:47
  that
• 1:14:47
  actually
• 1:14:48
  has
• 1:14:48
  done
• 1:14:48
  a
• 1:14:48
  board
• 1:14:49
  book.
• 1:14:49
  So
• 1:14:49
  I
• 1:14:50
  really
• 1:14:50
  appreciate
• 1:14:50
  your
• 1:14:51
  insights
• 1:14:51
  into
• 1:14:51
  that.
• 1:14:52
  I
• 1:14:52
  was
• 1:14:53
  talking
• 1:14:53
  to
• 1:14:53
  a
• 1:14:53
  guest
• 1:14:54
  in
• 1:14:55
  England
• 1:14:55
  and
• 1:14:56
  she
• 1:14:56
  was
• 1:14:56
  telling
• 1:14:56
  me
• 1:14:57
  a
• 1:14:57
  big
• 1:14:57
  thing
• 1:14:57
  over
• 1:14:57
  there
• 1:14:58
  right
• 1:14:58
  now
• 1:14:58
  is
• 1:14:59
  puzzle
• 1:14:59
  books
• 1:15:00
  where
• 1:15:00
  the
• 1:15:00
  page
• 1:15:01
  is
• 1:15:01
  also
• 1:15:02
  turned
• 1:15:02
  into
• 1:15:02
  the
• 1:15:03
  pieces
• 1:15:03
  of
• 1:15:03
  a
• 1:15:03
  puzzle.
• 1:15:04
  I
• 1:15:04
  haven't
• 1:15:05
  seen
• 1:15:05
  that
• 1:15:05
  yet,
• 1:15:05
  but
• 1:15:06
  I
• 1:15:06
  thought
• 1:15:06
  that
• 1:15:06
  was
• 1:15:07
  a
• 1:15:07
  pretty
• 1:15:07
  cool
• 1:15:07
  idea.
• 1:15:08
  So
• 1:15:08
  that
• 1:15:09
  is
• 1:15:09
  really
• 1:15:09
  cool.
• 1:15:09
  We
• 1:15:10
  promise
• 1:15:10
  our
• 1:15:11
  audience
• 1:15:11
  that
• 1:15:11
  in
• 1:15:12
  our
• 1:15:12
  show
• 1:15:12
  notes
• 1:15:12
  we'll
• 1:15:12
  have
• 1:15:13
  links
• 1:15:13
  to
• 1:15:13
  Jake's
• 1:15:14
  social
• 1:15:14
  media,
• 1:15:15
  the
• 1:15:15
  links
• 1:15:15
  to
• 1:15:15
  his
• 1:15:16
  website,
• 1:15:17
  and
• 1:15:17
  if
• 1:15:17
  you've
• 1:15:17
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• 1:15:31
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• 1:15:31
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• 1:15:32
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• 1:15:34
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• 1:15:34
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• 1:15:35
  Jake.
• 1:15:35
  Thank
• 1:15:36
  you
• 1:15:36
  so
• 1:15:36
  much,
• 1:15:36
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• 1:15:36
  I
• 1:15:37
  appreciate
• 1:15:37
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• 1:15:37
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