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Victor Wembanyama Has the Knicks SHOOK + Brendan Sorsby’s NCAA Gambling Case | 06.09 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll get to.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon or Brendan, right? I done already forgot. Sorsby.
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  Speaker 3: Let's confirm on the Brandon-Brendan situation. You know? It's Brendan. Yes. Brendan.
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  Speaker 1: Could have gone either way. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: We're going to holler at him in just a little bit, though. First,
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  Speaker 1: game two. Of the NBA final game three rather of
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  Speaker 1: the NBA finals.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It was crazy over there. Ryan, you didn't have any
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  Speaker 2: reason to be over near that part of town today.
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  Speaker 3: Did you? Oh, no chance.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I was really famous on the streets of New York yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: And here's what I mean by that. I had to
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  Speaker 2: go down off of 34th street on the West side
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  Speaker 2: in order to pick up some electronic equipment.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so I go down there.
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  Speaker 2: I always say that I am never more famous than
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  Speaker 2: I am at specifically a basketball arena.
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  Speaker 1: But generally speaking, a sporting event. That is my crew.
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  Speaker 1: That is my room.
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  Speaker 2: The whole goddamn city is an arena at this point. OK,
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  Speaker 2: later in the day, I was down like.
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  Speaker 1: Not even off Union Square.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say I got off the train at
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  Speaker 2: Spring Street or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I got people stopping me. Like, can't even get
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  Speaker 1: out the train station.
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  Speaker 3: That's wild.
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  Speaker 1: Type of situation, right? Because it's Nixon 4, right?
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  Speaker 6: I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do this to yourself. But anyway, right, you just
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  Speaker 1: don't understand it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, around Madison Square Garden, dude, it was all blue
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  Speaker 2: and whites and all black unmarked.
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  Speaker 1: Just going, roo, roo, roo, going around the block.
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  Speaker 2: This was at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Like, I
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  Speaker 2: can't imagine what a hassle it was. They said they
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  Speaker 2: cleared that bitch out at 4 o'clock or whatever. I
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  Speaker 2: guess I got out of there in time.
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  Speaker 1: Like, everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: You just missed it before the line started forming. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Everywhere the game was going on.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't matter what, wear old Knicks stuff, new Knicks stuff,
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  Speaker 2: whatever Knicks stuff. I saw somebody wearing an Atlantic Division
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  Speaker 2: champion t-shirt. They still print those? What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: It was everywhere that this was going on. And then
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  Speaker 2: game three gets started. It's so loud in there. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: I was not at the game, right? And to explain
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  Speaker 2: to people.
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  Speaker 1: Who were like, First of all, you saw them prices.
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  Speaker 2: The prices came down, but the truth is that was
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  Speaker 2: for people who love the Knicks, not just people who
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  Speaker 2: want to go to the game.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: It's the same thing I say about them Jay-Z concerts.
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  Speaker 2: Those are not for people who just want to go
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  Speaker 2: to a concert. It's for people who love Jay-Z. Let
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  Speaker 2: them have the seats. Let them have the time, whatever
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  Speaker 2: it is. Man, it's so loud. Ryan, I ain't never
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  Speaker 2: heard nobody get booed during the goddamn national anthem, man.
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  Speaker 2: They put that man on camera during the national anthem,
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  Speaker 2: and he did the thing where, like, he sir-yes-sirs it
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  Speaker 2: during the national anthem.
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  Speaker 3: He sir-yes-sirs, but you can see the smirk when he
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  Speaker 3: gets booed, too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but doesn't he ever notice that nobody else is
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  Speaker 2: doing that thing except for him?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, never notices.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't give him any measure of Paul's Right? Nobody
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  Speaker 1: be like, hey, man, you can just put your head.
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  Speaker 3: Nah, nah, nah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a soldier. Right? You know, he just go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: He do it like that. I mean, technically, he's commander
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  Speaker 1: in chief.
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  Speaker 3: I do not associate Donald Trump with measure of pause.
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  Speaker 3: Just as a general, as a general warning assertion.
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  Speaker 1: There's something to that.
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  Speaker 2: They put him on that camera and them boos was like,
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  Speaker 2: they was just waiting.
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  Speaker 1: When they going to do it? When they going to
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  Speaker 1: do it? And they left the camera on him.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like I saw somebody put something on Twitter about the
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  Speaker 2: boos was so loud.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they took the camera off. No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: They let it rock. And when he got the booze,
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  Speaker 1: you are right.
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  Speaker 2: He had a little bit of a smirk, but that still,
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  Speaker 2: that don't feel good, right? But anyway, we dealt with that.
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  Speaker 2: Got Donald Trump on the screen. They did it during
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  Speaker 2: the national anthem. They booed his ass into the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Gang is going, San Antonio goes hard off the top, right?
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  Speaker 1: And what happens?
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  Speaker 2: It seems my criticism at the end of game two
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  Speaker 2: was why would you run a pick and pop instead
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  Speaker 2: of a pick and roll? Every time that he sets
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  Speaker 2: a screen, Victor being he, You got to roll hard. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the argument that people have made to me that they
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  Speaker 2: say the Spurs make about this is that they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to preserve him. They're constantly keeping him in the paint
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  Speaker 2: requires him to expend a lot more energy.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's true.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that that's borne out by if you
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  Speaker 2: look at the stats, I want to say last year
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  Speaker 2: he shot eight point eight three pointers a game.
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  Speaker 1: And that went down to five this year, which implies
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  Speaker 1: to me.
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  Speaker 2: As he gets stronger, he will go inside more. It's
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  Speaker 2: not terribly different than Kevin Durant played two guard as
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  Speaker 2: a rookie for the Sonics because he just didn't have
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  Speaker 2: it physically to even play small forward.
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  Speaker 1: And we're not talking about small forward is what we
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  Speaker 1: want from Victor. We want Victor to go inside.
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  Speaker 2: But no, they ran that play that all of us
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  Speaker 2: would run if it was a video game. Send that
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  Speaker 2: eight foot tall dude near the bucket and then throw
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  Speaker 2: it up and just see if he can go get it.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes he was dunking it. Sometimes he was just pity
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  Speaker 2: patting that bitch off the glass. Sometimes whatever it was,
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  Speaker 2: but it was like, oh, we got three dunks early.
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  Speaker 2: Now to me, him getting a bunch of dunks early
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  Speaker 2: isn't like Charles Barkley getting a bunch of dunks early. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But it did establish not hanging out outside like that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: That was probably the greatest failing they had. We saw
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  Speaker 2: them do more to get in the paint in game
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  Speaker 2: two in the second half when Victor was actually excellent
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  Speaker 2: in spite of everything coming apart at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the game. But anyway, they established that early, but it
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  Speaker 2: went like every game had gone in.
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  Speaker 1: This series, right? Like Spurs go hard early.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Knicks, when they took that lead back
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the second quarter, it was like that,
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  Speaker 2: which is typically a sign of which team is the
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  Speaker 2: better team. The one that could just be like, all right, dawg,
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  Speaker 2: let's go do this right.
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  Speaker 1: 12.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, run in two minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, outside of like the 12, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I forget what the run was.
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  Speaker 1: The Knicks outscored about 18 points in that quarter.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was a pretty thorough domination and one that
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  Speaker 2: gave the feeling that this was about to be a wrap,
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  Speaker 2: but a couple of things are happening in the first
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  Speaker 2: half that I feel like bore out the way this
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  Speaker 2: went in the second half. One thing that happened that
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  Speaker 2: I think, well, I guess it's kind of, Two of
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  Speaker 2: them are together. But anyway, I'm going to say all
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  Speaker 2: the things, right? Victor throwing Jalen Brunson on the ground
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  Speaker 2: and then laughing at him after the fact.
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  Speaker 1: That was hilarious. I don't care what anybody says. That
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  Speaker 1: was hilarious. And I love the.
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  Speaker 2: Fact that he does it, right? Like, you got to remember, man,
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  Speaker 2: at some point in his life, it was a long
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  Speaker 2: time ago before he got really good at this basketball
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  Speaker 2: thing like that. Victor was just a big old gangly,
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  Speaker 2: goofy kid that was probably getting picked on until he'd
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  Speaker 2: had enough And then all of a sudden, he had
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  Speaker 2: to establish the perimeter.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Just start wildly swinging, and your mama come have a
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  Speaker 2: conversation with you about it or anything else, right? But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he has certainly been picked on. And what
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  Speaker 2: seems clear is that when Victor feels as though he
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  Speaker 2: has been picked on too much, he lashes out.
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  Speaker 3: The height difference between Victor and Jalen Brunson is the
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  Speaker 3: same as someone like Jalen Brunson and someone who's like 4'9, 4'10.
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  Speaker 1: That is correct. Just to get a.
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  Speaker 3: A reference for the scale we're dealing with here.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. So think about this though.
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  Speaker 2: He'd had enough of Nas Reed and he lashed out
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  Speaker 2: and elbowed him in the mouth. Every time they get
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  Speaker 2: near Victor, the Knicks do somebody puts two hands on him.
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  Speaker 1: Like this is an old school physical.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that's missing by and large is the
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  Speaker 2: old school hard fouls, but they are allowing a level
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  Speaker 2: of contact, especially off the ball. That is from a
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  Speaker 2: previous era of basketball, but the, Jalen.
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  Speaker 1: Brunson got up on Victor like that.
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  Speaker 2: Victor wrapped his arms around him and threw him down,
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  Speaker 2: stood over him, went back to what he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: And then when Jalen Brunson got up, he didn't even
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  Speaker 2: come try to push him around or anything, right? He
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  Speaker 2: just got up and started pointing up like he had
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  Speaker 2: some sort of issue. It looked like when Chris Paul
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  Speaker 2: was fussing at DeAndre Jordan that time, right? And he's
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  Speaker 2: pushing up and Victor laughs at him as he goes
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  Speaker 2: and goes and plays defense over there. Meanwhile, at the
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  Speaker 2: exact same time, it was Carl that Kelton Johnson was guarding, right?
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  Speaker 1: And muscling him up at the same time. Okay? Why
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  Speaker 1: that is important to me.
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  Speaker 2: The Spurs have decided that they're going to get physical
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  Speaker 2: with the Knicks. And something has led them to believe
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  Speaker 2: that the Knicks ain't built for it. Because the Knicks
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  Speaker 2: have those guys that are bigger, but they've not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: played with an aggressive physicality, I guess is.
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  Speaker 1: The way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: What I feel like I have seen as a result
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  Speaker 2: of that, the physicality against Towns seemed to make him shrink.
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  Speaker 1: He only had, what, 11 points in that game, I
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  Speaker 1: want to say?
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  Speaker 3: Something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And they were touching him up whenever they could. And
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  Speaker 2: you could see how frustrated he was in the first
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  Speaker 2: half over it.
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  Speaker 1: He got a bucket on.
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  Speaker 2: They doing a lot of screaming on Luke Cornett, which
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  Speaker 2: is like, guys, guys, come on.
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  Speaker 1: Remember Josh Hart got.
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  Speaker 2: Josh Hart seemed to get mad at Luke Cornett for
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  Speaker 2: no reason to try to get up.
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  Speaker 1: And start pushing him.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You're playing yourselves by doing that one right there. Like,
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  Speaker 2: just just, just guys, guys, guys, guys, it's Luke Cornette, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like that's not, you're not, you're not, you're not setting
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  Speaker 2: the tone when you do this, right? But Towns seemed
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  Speaker 2: to shrink a bit at the physicality. Also Towns went
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  Speaker 2: back to committing some not too wise fouls. But Brunson,
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  Speaker 2: Brunson is not shrinking in the face of the physicality.
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  Speaker 2: Brunson is behaving like short people behave in moments like those.
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  Speaker 1: I ain't no punk, man.
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  Speaker 2: And they are doing, or the Knicks seem from here,
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  Speaker 2: you can tell me if I'm wrong, but the Knicks
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  Speaker 2: seem to have done what I thought the Spurs should
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  Speaker 2: try to goad them into doing, which is turn this
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  Speaker 2: into Iso Brunson. Get it to a place where that
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  Speaker 2: guy slows down the offense because he got to show
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  Speaker 2: them Who's boss?
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  Speaker 1: And watch him dribble the air out the ball.
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  Speaker 2: I was watching TV this morning before we got in here,
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  Speaker 2: and they showed a possession where that dude dribbled the
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  Speaker 2: ball for 21 seconds of the shot clock. And when
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  Speaker 2: he does it, in part because Brunson doesn't have a
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  Speaker 2: wiggly game, he's not getting it done quick, right? Like
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  Speaker 2: he's doing all the jabs, he's doing all the... And
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  Speaker 2: that's and you see it on his face.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They have got him super frustrated.
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  Speaker 2: Like Mike Brown needs to have one of them film
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  Speaker 2: sessions that makes everybody feel a little uncomfortable. But it
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  Speaker 2: involves specifically pointing your finger at number 11 and saying,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care how many points you had. You are
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  Speaker 2: here messing it up for everybody when you do it
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: And the truth is, that's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any other way around that. The
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  Speaker 2: other part was, and I get why they feel this way,
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  Speaker 2: they decided their brand of physical ball got everybody into
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  Speaker 2: foul trouble. I'll also note this. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: big a deal this is, but I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: a small one. One thing that I had noticed in
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  Speaker 2: that crazy month they had was, again, Landry Schammett was
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  Speaker 2: playing like number 44. At last game, he went back
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  Speaker 2: to playing like Landry Schammett. You know, like those little
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  Speaker 2: things were happening at the margins with guys like that.
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  Speaker 2: And Deuce McBride seemed to be hitting every shot that
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  Speaker 2: they had this time.
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  Speaker 1: They got it out of Jordan Clarkson.
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  Speaker 2: And one day we will talk about how Jordan Clarkson
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  Speaker 2: came into the NBA at age 22, looking completely different
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  Speaker 2: than he does at this age today. right now like
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  Speaker 2: in a way normally people start with this youthful stuff
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  Speaker 2: and then mature into something a little bit more chilled
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  Speaker 2: out hell no he went completely in the opposite direction
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  Speaker 2: like Jordan Clarkson if you look at the picture of
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  Speaker 2: Jordan Clarkson when he first got to the league versus
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  Speaker 2: now you know what he looked like Jordan Clarkson looked
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  Speaker 2: like he got five years Because he is going to school,
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  Speaker 2: doing the training, prayers and vitamins and everything else. And
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  Speaker 2: his cousin was like, yo, give me a ride to
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  Speaker 2: the store right fast. He's like, sure, that's my cousin.
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  Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, his cousin came out
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  Speaker 1: the store was like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
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  Speaker 1: And then they got caught. And he was like, your honor,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have anything. I didn't mean I did what
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  Speaker 1: it was.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And he was just in that motherfucker, man. Then he
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  Speaker 1: came out and he did what he did, what he
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  Speaker 1: had to do to survive.
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  Speaker 2: You know, just what it was.
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  Speaker 1: But now that that's what it seemed like to me.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the Knicks responded to the physicality at the
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  Speaker 2: top in the two worst ways that they possibly could have, right?
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  Speaker 2: On the other side, what you'd hope your superstar player
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  Speaker 2: to do, he did.
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  Speaker 1: Showed up, right?
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  Speaker 2: Stephon Castle, who, by the way, that's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a stressful ride. for Spurs fans. This is what it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be. This is a tough one because he
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  Speaker 2: got one.
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  Speaker 1: Problem, man.
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  Speaker 2: He ain't good at dribbling and he has a dribble-dependent game.
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  Speaker 3: Also, he is not scared to shoot and that is
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily a compliment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I tell you what else, he's also just
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  Speaker 1: generally not scared.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: All right? Like, they was ready to tussle a bit, right?
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  Speaker 2: But it's so funny, like, looking at the box score
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  Speaker 2: and as he was making the buckets, Castle's end result
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  Speaker 2: felt much better than it felt watching him play. It
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  Speaker 2: did not feel like I was watching somebody play well.
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  Speaker 2: Quite honestly, it looked like somebody who had fallen for
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  Speaker 2: the same trick as Jalen Brunson. dylan harper went 5
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  Speaker 2: for 18 and i did not feel nearly as uneasy
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  Speaker 2: about what was going on when he had to ball
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  Speaker 2: as i would have with castle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah the thing about castle is just he's very demonstrative
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  Speaker 3: so everything he does you can just kind of it's
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  Speaker 3: just very obvious and out there.
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  Speaker 1: Well he also so he and harper both have the
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  Speaker 1: same thing to me which.
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  Speaker 2: Is sometimes like i said sometimes i'm slow sometimes i'm
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  Speaker 2: fast you're not exactly sure which it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: but they both have it where um My man said
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  Speaker 2: that Castle ain't going to play very long because he
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  Speaker 2: said his knees are going to go out because it's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of sudden stops and then slow down and
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  Speaker 2: go the other way or whatever it is. But hey,
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  Speaker 2: when the buckets are falling, you got it.
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  Speaker 1: They're falling.
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  Speaker 2: But man, I don't know. If I were the Spurs,
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  Speaker 2: I'd have been a little bit shook about how it went.
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  Speaker 2: The thing for Victor is this, and I don't feel
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  Speaker 2: like we've seen him really be like this yet in
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  Speaker 2: the postseason.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: He put up 32 points in that game. on 18 shots.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Now you have to do it again.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't want to sound like Shaq. Well, Shaq,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: what does he need to do? He needs to dominate.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: He needs to put up 40 points or 25 rebounds. Well, shit.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: When you put it.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Like that, Shaq, it all, it all seems so clear. But,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: It's got to be that same thing again, though. There's
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: no room for days off anymore. It's about the focus.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I've talked about this with Last Dance with Jordan, and
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's the most telling. I think the most
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: important line in there is, I forget who it was
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: that was saying it, but they made the point that
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: what made Michael Jordan better than everybody else was his
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: ability to no matter what, to be absolutely present in
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: the moment that was before him. Nothing else mattered in
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: the world except what was going on right then and there.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: And when you think about it, it explains what Jordan
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: was just about all the way through, right? Especially once
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: it hit that critical mass. But we have years in
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: series where we talked about, oh, Jordan didn't get it
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: done when he was younger or whatever, what happened in 95.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: But we don't have a lot of, damn, Mike just
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: shit the bed, that game. Maybe you don't play well,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: but it's never the, oh man, he just didn't have it, right?
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Victor from here on out, if they're going to win,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: you may not have to score 32 every time, but
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: you have to show up like you have the last,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: the majority of the last six quarters. That's what your
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: team needs. Because otherwise, you're depending on 20-year-old Dylan.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Harper, 21-year-old O.C.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Stephon Castle, De'Aaron Fox, who to me, hey, man, you
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: got to be the old man. That's that's what you're
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: supposed to be, right? He's got to be that guy
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: at this point because, hey, man, he can get to
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: the bucket. He can get those shots, even though he
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: went four for 14. Like I said, I felt like
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: it was a better game than him going four for 14.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: That's what it's got to be. But they just withstood
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: as hostile environment. as there would be, right?
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I thought, and I think this bore out, that the
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Knicks would have to worry about being a little shaky
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: early because it would be so much that was going on.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: But the fact that the Spurs stood tall through that.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Weathered that storm on the comeback, and then in the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: second half still got it done.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Hey, baby, we got a series.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: And it is not a series where people like the
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: winner of game four is going to win this.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe not.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I don't feel nearly that confident.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like the Spurs are done just in case,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: just because they go down 3-1. Like, I think we
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: have a series. But I'm going to tell you this.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: When I speak for New York, I feel pretty confident.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: When I say I speak for New York, I speak
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: for people in New York. Probably primarily people in New
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: York who are not from New York. But this is
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: about what's going on in the city, okay?
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: It was 2-0. Knicks.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: The Knicks going down 2-1 made things interesting. If the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Knicks go down to 2-0, not going to lie, it's
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: going to be kind of hilarious.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: But if the Knicks go down 2-3, it's going.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: To be unsafe. I will not be leaving my house.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: It's not going to be.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Because look, man, they're going to be asking.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Me for answers on the street. Well, buddy, what are
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: we going to do?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: First of all, take your hand off my shoulder. Let's
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: start there. That's the first thing we're going to do
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: is give me three feet. That's where we go start.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I needed those three feet. I greatly appreciate you.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Man, I do not want this season to end, man.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I would love for this to go all the way
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: to seven because, man, not only has this been great.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine if this series had ended in four?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: What were we going to talk about until I went
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: on vacation?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Me neither.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: This is Brendan Sorsby's story that I had kind of
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: been paying attention to, but wasn't really paying attention to
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: until yesterday when apparently this became the end of college
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: sports forever. And so, Ryan, you correct me if I'm
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: wrong here. Sorsby started at Indiana. And in 2022, when
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: he was a backup or he was not playing, he
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: made a lot of bets on Indiana football.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I want to say 40 bets on Indiana football.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: A lot of bets in general, but also a lot
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: of bets on Indiana football.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: On Indiana football, the one that jumped out is that
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: in one game, he bet on the quarterback to go
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: under on yards, which is, that's an insider trading situation, right?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Which I don't, We'll get to more of it, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: that doesn't offend me on the integrity of the game meter,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: quite to say.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Like, you're taking your own under. Hey, that's a little
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: bit different.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: The Terry Rozier, as it's often referred to.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jate Porter, right? Like, those are a little
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: bit different.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: But anyway....
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: The kid had a gambling issue. And I can say
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: kid because at the time he was 18 when this happened.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: But he had a gambling issue. I think he bet
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: something like $ 90, 000, which is kind of crazy, sign of
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the times situation or whatever it is. He wound up
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: transferring to Cincinnati. And I guess it's at Cincinnati that
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: he came forward. At whatever point it was, he has
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: gone into treatment for his gambling addiction. He has the
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Gamblers Anonymous meetings, all of these things. But there was
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: an acknowledgement that there is a problem and that he
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: has been working on that problem. The other thing that's
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: important to note is that he has NFL potential and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: was probably the most talented quarterback that was in the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: transfer portal this year. And he went to Texas Tech,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: where Texas Tech got a booster named Cody Campbell, who's
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: got a billion dollars, who's made himself a significant power
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: player in college football. Basically, they're the new SMU. And
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I don't mean that in the sense that they're cheating.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: But what I mean that is in the sense is
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that in Texas, you take the football thing really, really seriously.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And they're all these Texas, unlike the other states, has
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: all these other smaller but still big schools that play
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: at this level of football. Right. It's like six, seven, eight,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: you know, like high level FBS schools in Texas.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of them.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: But what always happens is there's some cadre of rich
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: people who decides, why can't we? They all want to
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: be as good as Texas, basically. And so somebody puts
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: their money where their mouth is, and they decide they're
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: going to be as good as Texas. And Texas Tech
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: is the latest one, and they can get top-notch players
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And anyway, Cody Campbell.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Get these people to go to Wubbock.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Couldn't be me.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Cody Campbell is not going to let a little gambling
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: situation stop him from getting a really good quarterback.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: And so he is there.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Because of the gambling and the likes, the NCAA gave
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: him a.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Permanent ban, right?
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, I believe he was permanently banned.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Okay. He hired Jeffrey Kessler. And if you know anything
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: about Jeffrey Kessler, look him up.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: That is a high-powered attorney, a guy that represents the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: NFL Players Association, for example.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: You can go through and get his list of clients, man.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: It's pretty staggering.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Anyway, They got a temporary injunction to allow.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Soresby to play this season.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And that hit college football media like a ton of bricks.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And the message that they received from this was that
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: if a player is caught gambling, oh well, what's the
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: big deal? Now, I have had a lot of thoughts
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: about this that are kind of sort of.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: For me to a degree, all over the place, but
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like they all.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Really come back to, like, I don't know if it's
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the same place, but kind of staying in the same key,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I guess is.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: The way that I would wind up putting this.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I think what frustrated me in watching the response from
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: my colleagues is how many of them just immediately landed at,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: If you are caught gambling on your own team, you
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: should be banned from playing.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Hard stop, right?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Because the question I kept asking as I watched all
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the responses pour in was, hey, has anybody read the decision? Right?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Was the ruling just?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And please understand, the real reason this injunction matters is
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: because of how long it takes.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: To resolve such a thing.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Which is to say, an injunction doesn't necessarily mean that
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Sorsby has won the whole damn thing. What the injunction
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: meant and what the judge said was that there is
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: a probability that Sorsby would win if we took this
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: to court. And since that's the case, he will suffer
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: permanent injury if you don't let him.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Participate this year.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Now, the judge centered his participation largely around having access
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to the team and the community and all the things
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: around the team because he's a gambling addict. Then the
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: next part of it is like draft prep and obviously
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the money that he would not receive.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: But the point is he could never get those things back.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Therefore, the injunction is in place because it would be
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: too much to take those things away from him given
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: that there is a probability that he would win the
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: case on.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: The back end.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I found A, the fact that they thought he might
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: win on the back end to be interesting. But number two,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I ask this question, and I don't know if anybody
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: else is asking this question, but I think.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: This is important.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Is a zero tolerance policy for a player that, as
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I read this, the NCAA does not deem to be
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: an integrity risk. They do not believe that he behaved
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: in any way intended to truly influence the outcome of games.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Do we really want to have a zero tolerance policy
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: with the 18-year-olds, given the landscape that we have now,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: how susceptible these people are going to be to falling
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: into this same trap, and given that you need to
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: be able to create a world that encourages the young
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: men who have problems to go get help? Enacting a
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: zero tolerance policy makes it much more difficult for those
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: guys to go get help or make the decision to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: go get help.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: And I'll have you know, just as a parallel example to.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: This, I have talked to people and specifically women who
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: work around matters of domestic violence.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Take a case like Ray Rice.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And what those people have made the point of is
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: that if you enact a zero tolerance policy, You create
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: a world where it is actually, in many cases, more
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: dangerous to the women because the stakes are so high
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: and they are often still married to or with these
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: men and wish to still be with these men. And
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: so the idea that in order for them to get relief,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: they have to create a world where it makes it
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: impossible for down the line for that man to work,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: which also could potentially make that man even madder and
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: more likely.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: To kill you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: You have to ask yourself whether the idea of zero
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: tolerance is more important than what zero tolerance means in application.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: And I am not sure that the zero tolerance as
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: described works in application. Now, the argument that's made, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I think is an understandable one, is once people don't
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: believe in the truth of what it is that they
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: are seeing, then the integrity of the game falls apart
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and basically his entire foundation goes away.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Obviously, I agree with that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: We talked about this when the gambling stuff happened with
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the NBA, with Chauncey Billups and all those guys.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: That's the point that I made.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And I believe that there is absolutely something to that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I get where it is that you're coming from. But
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I think you got to go think about this to
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: a second level. And I think the second level is
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: very important. And a big part of why the second
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: level is important in this case is is because we're
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: dealing with young people. Which also leads to another interesting
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: part of this decision, Ryan, which is part of what
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the judge had to say about this was that given
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the inundation of gambling and the relationship that the NCAA
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: member schools have with gambling, it feels a touch disingenuous
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: for them to kick somebody out permanently because they got
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: into the same business that you got into.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: It is very interesting how universal the condemnation of this was.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: For, I think people are just like trained to treat
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: everything like, like everyone who does this is Pete Rose.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: And I think that is, I think that's a comparison
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: that's apples and bowling balls for a lot of reasons.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: But also the only reason that Pete Rose wound up
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: with the real lifetime suspension situation that he had was.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Because he kept lying.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: If he had stopped.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Lying, they'd have probably let his ass back after a year.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: But he lied about it for 15 years. That was
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: what ultimately doomed him, right?
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That isn't what happened here.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: It's just not the case in this situation is what
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: went down. So I'm not saying that the idea of
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: zero tolerance, I don't understand it. But I am saying
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: everybody immediately coming down in the fashion that they did
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to me implied that people did not really give this
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that much thought and it became an outrage contest.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Very, very quickly. And then you go ask all these
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: coaches what they think about it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: And now all these schools are saying, oh, well, how
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: about we'll just boycott and we just we're just not
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: going to play against Texas Tech anymore.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How about that?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Which is not going to happen in application because it's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: way too much money on the line. And it's these
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: are they stopped doing them television bowl bans a long
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: time ago.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Right once you start once you start saying we're not
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: going to play this opponent you're essentially ripping up your
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: tv contract yes and no one's giving up all that.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Money let me tell you who really can't afford to
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: do nothing like that the big 12 okay Those things
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: are not likely to happen.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: But there are other things because.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I did a lot of I did a lot of
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: talking with lawyers this morning as we got in to
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: talk about, you know, as I prepare to get in
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: and talk about doing this.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Tom Mars, who I.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Did not talk to about this, but I did talk
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: to Tom Mars for the article I did in Vanity
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Fair about Trinidad Chambliss, he represented him. In that case,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Tom was one of the people who was most vociferous
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: in his opposition to this decision.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: And there are a couple of reasons that I think
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: he was vociferous in this.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Number one is the fear that this sort of decision
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: that makes people feel like the sky is falling.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Because that's the thing people are like, oh my God, well,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: if the NCAA can't do this, what is it good for?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: What I've been asking you for the last 25 years
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: is exactly that question. Yes, the whiz is Richard Pryor, motherfucker.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: We've been talking about this forever. Now you see it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Got it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Anyway, but Maher's concern is that this is drastic enough
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and shocking enough that it might make Congress get involved
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and pass this new bill. Because you'll notice the coordinated
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: responses from people in college sports all were, this is ridiculous,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and this is why we need Congress. They all said
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the same thing. Don't you think for a second that
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the NCAA itself hates this decision? Because all they've done
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: is look for somebody else to solve their problems for them.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And they feel like now maybe this is enough to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: get the fire department to show up.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe now, you know what it is before?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: They was just treating it like somebody car got stole, right?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: They don't investigate that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Now they're like, somebody broke in my house.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, man.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I guess we got to look into that. Come dust
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: for fingerprints or whatever it is. But that's one thing.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Number two though, is that Mars has this really inventive
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: defense and he used this or theory rather, and he
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: used this in the Chambliss case and it was effectively
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: used also in this case. There are some state federal
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: stuff that I think is a little too complex for
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: me to get into right now. But this part I
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: think is important. And when I talked to Mars about this,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I could hear his smile as he explained how this works.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And the long of the short is the NCAA's mission
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: statement implies, or not implies, it clearly states that it
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: exists for the improvement of the well-being of student athletes. Well,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I don't even like that term, but you know, that's
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: the one they came up with. That's the one they use.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're there to serve the athletes. That's what it's for, okay?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Therefore, every decision they make needs to be made with
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: that athlete in mind. And at every point, they need
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: to be able to show how their decision helps the athlete.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, the idea that you're.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Removing Sorsby from the community and environment that helps him
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: with his treatment, that is not an athlete-first decision.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Therefore, the NCAA cannot justify that decision.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Right? It's an extension of what Mars is talking about.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I bring that up to say, Mars is like, hey, man,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: y'all messing up my good.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, dog. That ain't going to blame this.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: Shit on me.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: That's how it felt. Right?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: There was a tinge of that in the Mars response.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: That was the part that I did pick up on,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: was just kind of feeling like, ooh, I didn't mean
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: it that way. Now, of course, this is also an issue.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Because this approach can be used in a lot of
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: cases for a lot of people.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Like this is this is this is tough for the NCAA.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Which pretty consistently gets his ass handed to it in court.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I want to push back on one last thing. And
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: that is the idea that this was judicial home cooking.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Number one, the judge, there was a judge who was
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: a Texas Tech grad who was originally on this case
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: and he recused himself.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: For that very reason. And they went and got another guy.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: He's retired.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: He worked in Tarrant County, which is in Fort Worth.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Like he not he'll go to this school. And he's
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: the one who came to this conclusion. The argument that
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: just about everybody makes is what happens is all these
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: guys come in and they go get a judge to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: give them some home cooking. Now, when I started that
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Vanity Fair piece, I started with that premise because I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: was saying a thing that would really doom the NCAA
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: is what these people are doing is they're going to
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: put these putting their paperwork in in these courthouses that
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: in the same place as the schools. And so they
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: are probably getting a kinder audience when they do that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: So I asked Mars about that.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: And Mars was like, nah, here's the thing.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: The NCAA, he went through a long thing about it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. I have it written down. I have
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: notes here about it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: But the longer the short was, in the end, you
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: can only really file these lawsuits in two places. In
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the local market or environment. Or in Indiana, where the
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: NCAA is headquartered. So I can only do it home
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: or do it there. Why would I do it there, right?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Where the NCAA is the one that's more likely to
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: get the home cooking, right? This is how it works.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: You either got to file it where you are or there.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Number two, a point he made I thought was important,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: which is people, these schools lose cases at home all
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the time. Outside of college sports, what this is is
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: operating under the assumption that judges are incapable of being
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: impartial and that everybody cares so much about football or
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: basketball or whatever it is that the judge is just
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: going to be in line with what happens there. Mars
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: ran through a list of cases. This one, that guy lost.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: This one, that guy lost. This one, I didn't take
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: that case because I knew he was going to lose.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: So forth and so on. You see what I'm saying?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: We went straight to this place of cynicism. that I
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: just don't feel like anybody stopped and realized that there
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: are fundamental questions to be asked, partially about the NCAA,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: partially about how should we treat people at this age
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: of their lives, right?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Should we create a world where it gets all over for.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Them based on bad decisions that are very easy to
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: make and that people are halfway kind of nudged toward
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: based on the new world order?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: That's all of those things.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Instead, My colleagues roundly just decided to flip out and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: say the sky is falling when everybody had the option
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of stopping, calming down, breathing, and asking some second-level questions.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Because the real story here to me is in the
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: second-level questions. And some of those second-level questions, by the way,
• 36:28
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• 36:29
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• 36:33
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• 36:44
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• 36:49
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  Speaker 3: All right, Bo, we got a couple of voicemails we
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: wanted to get to, couldn't get to on Monday. Here's
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: our first.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: Hey, Bomani. It's Donnie from DuPage County. Been a fan
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: since Game Theory on HBO. So I thought I had
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: a pretty good question for you. And it's, what is
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: the largest crowd pop you've ever been a part of?
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: Mine was when my dad took me to a Bears
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: game at Soldier Field. And we had Devin Hester. And
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: it was Adrian Peterson's rookie year. And he ran all
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: over us. But Devin Hester broke free for a punt,
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: returned for a touchdown. And hearing the crowd go crazy
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: for that was... the largest. So that's my question for you. Thanks,
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: you and Ryan, for everything you do. Bye-bye.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like people who have known me and heard
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: me for a while are probably a little tired of
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: hearing me say this one, but Ray Allen hit that shot, dog.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Ray Allen hit that shot. That was, oh, and it
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: was chaos. I told you, my whole thing was chaos.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I had gone from the top to get to the floor,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: and then I couldn't go in the tunnel, and I
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: had to kneel down on the baseline and everything else,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, except, oh, no, there might
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: have been one thing with a louder pop than that one,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: and that's any time that boy Birdman would block a shot.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: White people love Birdman, dog.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Speaking of.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Hey, Bull, how you doing tonight? Hey, this is Leonard
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: of Nashville. And I was calling. But first of all,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I appreciate your show. The reason I was calling was
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: because that's your twice as good list. I think, man,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: you got to make sure we ask Scott Skiles and
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: then this. The dude had to work extra hard, man,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: especially down in Orlando, man, to get those. That's all
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: the assist that he got down there. And he was
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: on a bad team, too, at that time. So I
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: think he needs to be the poster child for the
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: twice as good list. But anyway, as I say, Bo,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: appreciate the show.
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: Enjoy what you do.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: And keep doing your thing. And remember Raph Wiley.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Peace. Hey, man, we always here for a Ralph Wiley shout.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you on that. I hate it when that happens.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: What did he just say?
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's talking about Scott Skiles.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you this.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: First of all, I'm careful what I say about Scott Skiles.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I said something once about Scott Skiles on the radio,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and I got a phone call from Scott Skiles.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: On the air?
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And it was no on my phone.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I understand where he was coming from.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: You remember that Sports Illustrated? Well, you probably don't remember
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: it in real time. You probably read about the Sports
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Illustrated article about all.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: The deadbeat dads in the NBA.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I had to picture had to picture the little boy
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: with the basketball on the cover.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Like, where's my dad or something like that? And Scott Skiles.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Was prominently mentioned in that article, but apparently none of
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it was true. But I didn't know that because of
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated.
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: Of course.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: And so somebody told Scott Skiles about her.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Scott Skiles got a Google alert, man. Scott Skiles called
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: me hot.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, hey, man, I apologize to you, but
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the same reason I got. You know what I'm saying?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: It took a lot to talk Scott Skiles through that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: It really did.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I say all that to say that was why I
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: didn't put Scott Skiles on the list. Tell you this
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: about Scott Skiles, though, boy, he the one you don't
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: want no problems with.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Like, I think who it was.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: What's my man's name? Used to cover Kentucky basketball. Then
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: he covered the Thunders. First name is Brett. I can't
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: remember his last name. But he talked about Scott Skiles
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: getting into a fight in a high school all-star game
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: in Indiana.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Like, when he was 17. That's awesome.
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Scott Skiles.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Scott Skiles, he's definitely working twice as hard. And I
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: just don't want him, like, bringing that shit over here again.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: The twice as hard might be its own episode.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Trust me, don't you worry. It'll... I spy a recurring bit.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: And speaking of, let's end on this.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Hey, Bomani. It was the summer of 2003. Your boy, Aaron,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: here in Kansas City at the time, was a sophomore
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: in high school. And my mom signed me up for
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: this summer program at the University.
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: Of of Missouri Rolla, one of those nerdy.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Engineering schools, and I was doing an engineering program, some
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: kind of summer transportation institute thing. Anyway, to prepare you
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: to go in the fields of engineering, met this white
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: girl named Keisha. Changed my life, issue your boy into puberty.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: I know I was only about, what, like 16 or so?
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Changed my life forever. She was a white girl from Arkansas,
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: of all places.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: All Kansas.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: And, yeah, your boy was looking like Jesus Shuttlesworth, a.k.a.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: Ray Allen in that scene. You know the one. Some
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: of y'all may know.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: If you know, you know.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: Smiling ear to ear.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: And it was just her. It wasn't even two. It
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: was just her.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: White Keisha.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: And, yeah.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, one more thing before I go.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: We need to get past her.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Tony thompson to pray over the spurs instead of these.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: Nuns because these nuns.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Ain't working or they can get whoopie goldberg and uh
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: sister act to pray over them anyway we'll see what
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: happens appreciate the show i'll let you later.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie right taking a lot out of
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the fact that not only does this man refer to
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: himself in the third person to people who have no
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: idea who he is, he.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Does it with a dramatic spelling.
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Which I take to say he's been telling this story
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: about white Keisha forever and ever.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: It's clearly a seminal moment.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: But I want to know what everybody involved in this
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: conversation looked like. That's what I'm curious about.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And so are the rest of you.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Because there's assumptions that a lot of black people make
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: about relationships of this dynamic in this sort of place.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: And then I had the day where I realized white
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: people assume the exact same thing. Everybody want to know
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: what white Keisha look like. And very few people are
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: affording you the benefit of the doubt in this moment.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: But hey, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining
• 46:13
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• 46:14
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• 46:16
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• 46:27
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• 46:29
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• 46:31
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