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BRILLIANT! Could THIS End Election Fraud Once and For All? w/Marly Hornik · Man in America Podcast

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Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. As we enter into 2024, and we gear up for this massive election, the big question on my mind and probably your mind as well is will we even have free and fair elections? Will our votes be counted? Will our votes be recorded accurately?
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Are there gonna be all kinds of fake votes and all kinds of shenanigans just like we saw in 2020 and in 2022. And we just set ourselves up this massive disappointment to think that our votes will actually do something to change the course of our country, which right now is headed in a very bad way, not a very, very bad course. And so joining us today is Marley Hornick, who is someone who is really leading a lot of efforts, grassroots efforts to fix the voting system. But she's doing it in a way that's not like the other processes and organizations I've seen. She's doing it from a civil rights perspective.
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And now Marley, it's funny that she's actually one of the most requested guests I've had lately when I've asked people who I should interview her name just keeps coming up. And so it's gonna be a very just real and sober interview and discussion about the polls even matter. Does it matter that they're saying that Donald Trump is leading in all these places? Will it even matter if the election is so rigged, that our votes are not counted there. There's, you know, mail in ballots and signature fraud and all kinds of happening.
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Because we need to understand and honestly, what she's doing on the ground seems like a very viable solution to bring election integrity to the forefront and make it a matter that both sides of the political aisle should care about. Not necessarily both sides of the political aisle from the, you know, Congress and the, know, they're all controlled from my perspective. I'm talking about the you, your liberal neighbor, your independent, or your libertarian uncle. All of us should care about this. So folks, please enjoy this interview with Marley Hornick.
2:07
Marley, it's so great to finally have you on. You've got quite the digital army behind you because I I asked a few different times, who should I interview? And I I think half the people that respond say, gotta get on, Marley, talk about the audits and and voting and everything. So you must be doing some really important work, and it's it's great to finally meet you.
2:27
Speaker 2: Thank you, Seth. Yes. I have a wonderful team of really dedicated and incredible patriots, actually in New York and now across the country. So it's an honor to represent their interests and their concerns and and our findings.
2:42
Seth Holehouse: Oh, it's so good. So I even not sure if you were seeing, but the initial video that we put out back in 2020 was about election fraud. You know, kind of talking about what happened in the twenty twenty election with the the the water pipes and the lost USB drives and you know, the 3AM votes and ballot dumps and everything. And, and then we went through the process of the Maricopa audit, the cyber symposium and all the different audits and we went into the midterms and thought, okay, finally, with the midterms, it's gonna be a red wave and it wasn't. And as we're now entering into 2024, '1 of the big questions in the back of my mind is, how can we possibly expect to have a fair election?
3:21
And I constantly see the polls coming out, they say, even among, you know, 45 years and thirty years and younger that Donald Trump is is far ahead of Biden. And I think to myself, does it even matter? Does it even matter? And I know that you've been intricately involved in in elections, and you have a lot of findings. So where are you at with your perspective of the election system as we head into this?
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What I think is probably the most present important presidential election that we've ever had in our country.
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Speaker 2: Well, honestly, there's no way to say it except that those who are in charge of stewarding our voting system have fallen extremely short of their responsibilities to follow the law. Election officials you see elections are a zero trust system inherently. Right? You have two adversarial parties, whether they're two candidates, they could be two primary candidates from the same party, two candidates from different parties in a general. They could be two groups of citizens, two interested parties, two NGOs.
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It's a zero trust system. They're natural adversaries. So in that system, how is it that Americans do come to trust in the outcome of the election as reported by those officials who were in charge of administering the election honestly and fairly and and according to the law? It's because they never waiver from the law. They're walking a tightrope.
4:51
They do not have the opportunity or the authority to interpret anything. They're not like like a umpires in a playoff game. You know, they don't watch the video and then ultimately make the call. They just follow the law. And it's been an established precedent in The United States Of America since 1888 that when election officials fail to follow the law, regardless of their reasoning for doing so, if it's a federal election, that's considered intent.
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That's election fraud when election officials don't follow the law. So the goal of United Sovereign Americans is not to, continue with the horrific feeling of despair and hopelessness. Rather, it is to attempt to solve this problem in a very practical and legal manner, peacefully and honestly with great integrity. Because the election records clearly show they are required by federal law to be accurate, and they demonstrate millions and millions of acts of negligence and and and a failure to follow the law. Now do we know why?
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We don't know why.
6:09
Seth Holehouse: Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey, buy this gold, buy this silver.
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Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 02/2023, the average family home is just over $400,000.
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So you have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No, it's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right? When people talk about the collapse of the dollar or inflation, this is what it means.
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Now let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins. So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now, if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside. If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today.
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What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home? No, you can't even buy a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1 ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today. And this is the key lesson about precious metals.
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It's not about getting rich. It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now we're in the end days of the dollar. And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the 1930s, we're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations. Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome.
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It's still around. It's an asset that will forever have its value. So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than Doctor. Kirk Elly. He's a very good friend of mine.
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He's a strong Christian patriot, and he's out to really help people to protect their savings and what you've worked for against the destruction of the dollar, not to mention also protecting it against the dangers of a central bank digital currencies. So to learn more about this, go to goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, that's goldwithseth.com or (720) 605-3900. Both those places will allow you to set up a quick appointment where you can talk to a wealth adviser that will help get you started on this path. Again, goldwithseth.com, 7 2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero.
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Speaker 2: What a United Sovereign Americans is absolutely focused on based on the work that was already done in New York by the the amazing team, New York's citizen, Zadit, is petitioning judges in state after state with these findings and basically saying, we're the sovereign. The fundamental protected right in The United States Of America is government by consent that is effectuated through honest, accurate, lawful elections. And tell us judges, federal judges across this country, are our election officials required to follow the law or not. And this is gonna happen long before 2024. We're weeks away from filing in in multiple states.
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Seth Holehouse: So basically, instead of everyone is very focused on the details of your signature verification, chain of custody, you know, the the electronic system switching ballots, etcetera. Whereas what you're doing is it seems like if I understand correctly is looking at the fundamental of it and saying, look, if the person that is trusted to oversee this election, selection official official, which makes sense in both parties, you know, party a, party b, they are both against each other. You can't trust either of them. Right? You can't trust either of them to decide the results.
10:38
It almost be like saying that you say you have two wrestlers, you know, wrestling and say, okay. Well, one wrestler is gonna determine he's also the referee. It's like, well, that couldn't work. Right? So what you're doing is instead of focusing specifically on the minutiae of all those details of how the elections are stolen, which I'm sure becomes part of it, what you're doing is going to these judges and saying, Look, ask that question.
11:01
Is it the official's responsibility legally by law to oversee this in this particular manner? And any deviance from that, that is what constitutes election fraud. So it's not about them saying, well, those, you know, ballots came in this way or that way and making up excuses. It's going to the core of the matter. And so you so am I correct that you're gonna you say within the next couple of weeks that you're gonna start actually going out and presenting this evidence to judges across the nation?
11:30
Is that what one of your next steps with this?
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Speaker 2: It sure is. Yeah. We're filing litigation in in federal court. And United Sovereign Americans, again, based on the work of New York Citizens Audit, is an amazing, amazing volunteer organization. Everything that United Sovereign Americans is doing is volunteer.
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It is citizens using our wits and our grits, as I like to call it, to figure out an actual pathway to an actual remedy here. And so what what we're doing is using our combined skills, many, many wonderful gifted talented experts who have careers in auditing, in law enforcement, in computer analysis, all kinds of skills that are required are looking through the state voter role databases. Now I appreciate everything you're talking about with signature verification and chain of custody. These are very serious issues regarding our election security. But what we are doing is measuring election validity.
12:37
We actually because we we've seen so many different instances where the law has not been followed, and we've seen judge after judge excuse this as not material. And a lot of those instances were challenges to the outcome of an election, which judges are very reticent to rule on. And that's a historical truth. It's a fact that we have to deal with. If we want to win, we have to choose another strategy because that one doesn't have the weight of precedence behind it.
13:07
So by using their own official records, which the law says are required to be accurate, the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 says that one of its four purposes is for the maintenance of current and accurate voter registration rolls, and they are also a historical record. They they include not only the information about eligible voters by state, but also their participation histories. These are very comprehensive documents. And when you open them up, my goodness, do you find a hot mess. We found over 5,000,000 unique violations of black letter law inside of the New York State Voter Rule Database.
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5,000,000 instances where the registration record, for example, it's required to have an address, but it has none. Or instances where the registration record is purged, but there's no purge date, which is a requirement for the database management. It's absolutely required. You cannot figure out whether a vote cast by a purged registrant was cast before or after their purge date without a purge date, which is why the law requires it. Over and over and over again in Illinois, two nearly two and a half million registration records whose registration date falls after their last vote date.
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That's not valid data. So we don't know why. We don't know if the if the administers of this system are ignorant of the law. We don't know if they arrogantly refuse to obey the law, and we don't know if they obey the law out of or disobey the law rather out of malice. We don't know, but the issue is our elections are not valid, and now we have a measurement.
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The the Illinois state voter roll database has an error rate according to our very careful calculations of 38%.
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Seth Holehouse: Thirty even 3% is
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two general election as a voting error rate according to our calculations against black letter law of 12%. Yet in the twenty twenty two election, there were federal races with a margin of victory of 0.6%. That system cannot tell you accurately and honestly the outcome of that race. I'm not saying that I know or that the race was incorrectly called. What I'm saying is the New York State Board of Elections, the Illinois State Board of Elections, the Ohio State Board of Elections, these are the states we're certain.
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They will never be able to prove who won any federal election in 2022. Their records are incapable of producing a result that meets the the legal standard for accuracy.
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Seth Holehouse: So instead of coming at this and saying, look, here's proof that Donald Trump won, which makes sense that judges will be very, as you said, reticent. They they would be very resistant to ruling in a way that would perhaps affect the outcome of an election. But if you go to them and you say with I think it was Illinois, you said there's a thirty eight percent thirty eight percent of the ballots cast had, from my understanding, legal discrepancies that did not actually follow the legal process. So whatever that 38% represented, I mean, hypothetically, it could be that Donald Trump himself changed 38% of those through some shady means to sway things. But what it could also mean is that the other side that Joe Biden maybe so whatever they did with it, you're not going and trying to tell these judges who won or who lost.
16:58
You're going and saying, look, this is it's very, it's very basic. It's not arguing over the semantics. It's like these are the fundamentals that these are critical errors. And so with Illinois as an example that so explain me walk me through what that means when there's a 38% rate of issues with those with those ballots.
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Speaker 2: So to be clear, it's the registration error rate in Illinois. The the voting error rate in Illinois is 14%.
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Seth Holehouse: Which is still
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Speaker 2: Which is stunning. Okay. I'm not excusing it, but the 38% has to do with the actual percentage of the database as we received it in January of twenty twenty three, post certification of the twenty twenty two election, this is the rate of error, again, regarding either simple, data validity or, comparing registration records against black letter law. Black letter law being law that cannot be challenged. It's either settled or it's so clear that there's nothing to discuss.
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Speaker 2: When but the the issue they have is that that database is required to be accurate, and 38% error rate, no, is not even in the ballpark. Okay? If you're gonna go back to this umpire analogy, we're not anywhere anywhere even close to having those multiple camera angles that the umpires use to make the final call with the pitches that are, you know, whatever, a 17 miles an hour. They're crazy what these people are able to do. Right?
19:50
But the point is that with a 14% error rate in or what appears to be a 14% error rate in the vote, and and again, in New York, a 12% error rate in the vote, And and we've brought this evidence to them, and they have nothing to say. They they in New York, what have they done to try to address the actual concerns brought to them? Well, the attorney general has brought a a subpoena against New York's citizen's audit demanding all of our canvas records. You know? What how does how is that responsive to presenting evidence of a three quarters of a million votes passed in a general election, a federal election by registration records that don't meet the qualifications under the law according to their own standards.
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It's not responsive at all. So that's the issue. And and when you have that in in New York, you have three quarters of a million votes. In Ohio, it was just over 700,000 votes in the twenty twenty two election. Again, this we we've divorced this from Biden and Trump.
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This has nothing to do with 2020 or Biden and Trump at the moment. I mean, it's all related, but it has to do with validity. If if the federal election accuracy requirement under the law is 0.0008% maximum error rate, how come the wrote the voter rolls in o in Illinois are at 38%? And and is that really the same thing as following the law? And here you go.
21:35
The final element of this, Seth, is so simple. Just like you're saying, it's like, don't get down into the weeds. Just write up here. Government by consent. It is a guaranteed civil right in The United States Of America for citizens to neither be denied the vote nor to have their vote abridged in any way.
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Abridgment means to make something shorter or smaller. Right? It's like you take out the meat and potatoes, and then you just have the or or let's say you take out the salad depending on your perspective. Right? But you you make it smaller and more concise, which is exactly what is happening to the votes of United States citizens when registration records that are not provably eligible are allowed to dilute the vote.
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They they lessen the value or the weight of an actual citizen's vote because there are more votes now in the pool, and it it no one I don't know why. I can't tell you why, and I can't tell you who, but I can tell you that it's a civil rights violation. And when these election officials attest under penalty of perjury that the results of a general election, a federal election, under these circumstances are accurate and compliant with the law, which is exactly what they do when they certify. They are lying. And it doesn't matter if they're lying on purpose or if they're lying out of ignorance.
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It's a lie. They have no idea. And we have now measured it, and we can demonstrate that our elections do not meet the standard of the law. They're not valid.
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Seth Holehouse: And so considering how compromised our legal system and the judiciary is in America, which we've seen over and over again, especially the past couple of years, What gives you confidence that you'll be able to bring this to that very system and still find justice? I mean, or not have them just throw it out or whatever they whatever they do or come after you legally, right, right, which is look what's happened with Donald Trump and the legal system coming after him. What gives you that confidence that the work that you're doing can change this system or affect the system in a positive way?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. And all I can say is two things. First of all, it's better than sitting on the couch and throwing tomatoes at the TV. Okay? Number one.
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Second of all, when you have a system that has been dominated, our our political and cultural system has been dominated since Woodrow Wilson's presidency by the concept of civil rights, and the significance and importance of upholding our civil rights, it's almost as though, I don't know. It it's just so elegant and perfect to be able to bring this as a civil rights matter in front of federal judges across America. And right now, United Sovereign Americans, again, taking the effort that was launched and initiated originally from New York's citizens audit and and repeating that effort in state after state. We currently have over 20 states developing their elect what I call the election validity scorecard, which is the metric. It's the measurement.
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Again, we all know that there are shenanigans. People on both sides admit it, but let's measure it. How bad is it? And where, you know, where do we find ourselves if we're not we have facts. Right?
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We have numbers and facts regarding their system and comparing it to the law. So that's what we're gonna do. And we believe that we will find a federal judge somewhere in the country using this approach in so many states and filing in so many states under the same statutes using the same template. So the people again, we're we're being crafty, wits and grits here. We're gonna write this template once.
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This is federal law. We bring it to federal court. We save money. We save time. This is an efficient operation.
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And all we need is one judge in one federal circuit to say, you guys have a point here. This doesn't look right, and they do have to follow the law, and they have to follow the law in 2024. This has to happen immediately because there is a clear and present danger to the suffrage of the entire citizenry of The United States Of America if a system that cannot produce an accurate result is used to administer the twenty twenty four election.
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Seth Holehouse: And it's
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Speaker 2: And now just give me one second. If we have a disagreement between federal circuits, Seth, it is forced as emergency litigation. They can't drag this out. It is forced as an emergency matter to the United States Supreme Court. And the only thing I wanna add in terms of what could happen at the United States Supreme Court is that the the pitiful effort of our election officials, their their their continuing negligence regarding the accuracy and validity of our election records and our election administration is a disgrace and a dishonor to the supreme court of the United States of America, which for hundreds of years, those justices have grappled at a very deep level.
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Some of them at a very, very profound level and written extensive opinions and discussions of how exactly to administer the law based on the constitution and where is the limit of the of the supreme court's power, and where is the limit of the the legislative power? I mean, these are geniuses, really brilliant deep thinkers. And we're gonna let some punk who works in an election office and doesn't feel like filling out the paperwork undermine that? I don't think so. That's not how we operate in America.
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Seth Holehouse: I agree. I was gonna say it's brilliant that you're approaching us the way that you are. Folks, have a quick message for you. Look, the twenty twenty four election is do or die for the globalist and communists that had infiltrated our country and are currently running it. And they either have to win or they're gonna destroy America so nothing is left either way.
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And if you're the person that's watching this show and following this information, unfortunately, you have the weight on your shoulders of making sure that your family is prepared, especially as we head in to this next year in this next election cycle because unfortunately, I think it's going to get rough. And one of the ways I know they're going to target us is through our food supply. You can see all the food factories burned down, you can see the warnings of coming famines and food shortages and everything like that. And food is one of the number one ways totalitarian regimes have always used to control the populations destroy the food supply. So if you don't have at least two, three, four, five, six months worth of stored food, I highly recommend you take that very seriously.
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Those are the same people that usually get behind civil rights issues and want equal rights and equal opportunity. And so this should be an initiative that it doesn't matter whether you're a Bernie Sanders fan or a, you know, it doesn't matter where you are on the spectrum, everyone in America should be able to get behind something like this. So if this I also I love what you said too about it's better than sitting on the couch and throwing things at the TV because that's where a lot of us I think have fallen to where you feel like maybe you're helpless and you can't do anything and so it may be not throwing things at the TV, but it's, you know, getting in arguments on telegram or getting arguments on Twitter or Facebook. It's, that's where the energy is being poured into instead of something that's useful like this. And so if somebody is watching this and the listeners of this show, they're very active and they're smart people.
30:58
If they want to get involved, if they want to start volunteering for this in their own state or get involved with other your more centralized operations or whatever you need them to, What's the process of doing that? How can someone help you?
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Speaker 2: Our doorway is at uniteforfreedom.com. Unite number 4 freedom Com. And we need all people of all skills, all political backgrounds. Again, like you said, this is a civil rights matter. We're not saying who should or should not win elections.
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We just wanna be certain that the right people who actually represent us as a citizenry are the ones who are setting policy and and making decisions on our behalf. So uniteforfreedom.com is where you can sign up to volunteer. You can sign up to stay informed. You can access by getting on our mailing list. You can access our weekly call.
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It's it's like a video conference, like a Zoom call about federal election law. If you wanna become more educated about the matter, we have a great time. Actually, you'd be amazed how much fun it is to read election law together and clarify in our minds what are we supposed to be getting here versus the raw deal that we have so that we can effectively and and accurately represent our rights.
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Seth Holehouse: So that's unite for, number four, freedom dot com. And then when I go there, pulled it up one more time. It obviously, people can stay stay informed, sign up for emails, but they can donate, which I'm sure is helpful, or they can just click on volunteer. And that's where you've got a really good list here. I mean, when I look at these, the different, you know, kind of aspects or, you know, talents you're looking for, I'd say almost everyone watching or listening has at least one of these things they can do.
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Community outreach, media outreach, media information analysis, legislative fundraising, writing, accounting, marketing, social media, transportation. If you can drive a car, you can help out with this effort. So I encourage everyone that's that's participating in today's show to go there, fill out this form, get involved because this this is important. And now when did you say when are you bringing your first case or the first kind of step of this to the federal judges?
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Speaker 2: We anticipate filing within the first two weeks of January in a minimum of six states.
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Seth Holehouse: Fantastic. Fantastic. Well, this is gonna be just the first of many conversations, I think, as we're heading into 2024 and next year's election. I'll make sure that I put that link to your website in the description below and just encourage people to get involved. And do you have any final remarks as we wrap up?
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Speaker 2: I just want to encourage people to get involved because not only is it important and it's uplifting, but this is like our victory garden effort. This is just us. That's why we call it united sovereign Americans. Our sovereignty is defined in the declaration of independence. We assume among the powers of the earth, the separate but equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's god entitle us.
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We answer to our creator, and our federal government protects that right. And we come together, and we use our wits and our grits to solve problems, which is, you know, for a hundred and ten years or something at least, we've been told, stand aside and let experts run the country. And it's time for us to get off the couch and say, you know what? I have great ideas. I have a lot to offer.
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We can do this together. And so that's really what United Sovereign Americans is about in addition to having a great strategy that has a lot of teeth and a lot of merit. And I I look forward to seeing how it plays out in the courts.
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Seth Holehouse: Me too. I also encourage folks to share this conversation, whether it's the podcast or the the video just to get more people aware of what you're doing and help build more support what you're doing. And I look forward to hearing some updates next year. And I remain hopeful that Americans can unite around civil rights as we've done so many times in the past. Well, thank you again for coming on today.
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It's such a pleasure to meet you and to speak with you.
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Speaker 2: Thanks, Seth.