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S6 E12 _ Frozen Fear_ The Butcher Baker of Alaska - Robert Hansen Part 8 · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: that way. Now tonight, guys, we are going to be
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  Speaker 1: doing part eight. Yes, this was originally a three part episode,
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe two, and then Mama got ahold of it,
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  Speaker 1: and I am so glad she did. But she's rubbing
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  Speaker 1: off on me. Just I'm saying that now, and it's okay,
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  Speaker 1: But we are on part eight of the Butcher Baker
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  Speaker 1: of Alaska series, where we are diving deep into infamous
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  Speaker 1: serial killer Robert Hansen, his endless number of victims who
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  Speaker 1: we refuse to be forgotten, and how all of it
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  Speaker 1: could have been stopped numerous times. Numerous they would have
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  Speaker 1: just listened to the women. Okay, the state of Alaska
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of blood on their hands, and we're
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  Speaker 1: here to shine a light on all of it. Warning
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  Speaker 1: there will be lots of rants and cursey words. I
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  Speaker 1: can say. There's also going to be a lot in
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  Speaker 1: the chat because that's where Lama is, so she's going
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  Speaker 1: to be over there. Given us her rant. Now tonight
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  Speaker 1: I am having. It's a watermelon Jolly Rancher mix with
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  Speaker 1: sparkling water in titos and Guys, I will tell you
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  Speaker 1: this drink is deadly. A lot of times I will
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  Speaker 1: drink it just the sparkling water with the watermelon Jolly rancher.
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  Speaker 1: But I remember that I needed vodka because we're in
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  Speaker 1: Alaska again. Okay, we're still in Alaska, So everybody, grab
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  Speaker 1: whatever you're drinking, grab a cozy blanket. I've got mine
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  Speaker 1: right here, and let's get into Tonight's case, because guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie to you and tell you
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  Speaker 1: that it's gotten any better. Okay, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: lie to you and tell you that, because guys, it hasn't.
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  Speaker 1: It hasn't, and look sick. Lama makes no promises. Uh
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  Speaker 1: oh okay, guys, I've put y'all on notice, and she's
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  Speaker 1: under her mod account, so we can't even kick her out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh lord, how did we let that happen? Okay? We
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  Speaker 1: have spent the last seven parts peeling back the veneer
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  Speaker 1: of the meat Baker. We traced Robert Hansen's evolution from
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  Speaker 1: a roadside scavenger who proud the Anchorage Strip in a
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  Speaker 1: metallic green Pontiac and a red Volvo and a truck
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  Speaker 1: with a camper in the back, to now an aviator
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  Speaker 1: who would go on to use the vast, unmonitored Alaskan
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  Speaker 1: Bush as his personal disposal site. God, I hate this man.
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  Speaker 1: We saw the tragedy of his early victims not getting
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  Speaker 1: an inkling of justice that they rightly deserved. You know what, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I just remembered I'm supposed to be doing these videos. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: don't remember which one I'm supposed to be on Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, guys. How about that. I'm a little bit behind,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm good now. The unsolved murder of why is
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  Speaker 1: it not working? Okay, guys, it's not Hold on, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to click. There we go. My mouse was
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  Speaker 1: doing this mouse thing where it didn't want to work.
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  Speaker 1: But the unsolved murders of Beth Van Santen, Shirley Jonas,
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  Speaker 1: and zz Mason and the disappearance of Macon Emerick and
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  Speaker 1: Mary Phil Okay, my mouse does not like me tonight.
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  Speaker 1: All who have families that still have no answers? Over
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  Speaker 1: fifty years later, so we saw that the Jane Jane
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  Speaker 1: Doe Dancer was silenced okay, sorry, by her own trauma
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  Speaker 1: and bias of society in the infuriating near miss escape
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  Speaker 1: of Christy Hayes. Sorry, guys, I'm just rearranging my screen
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  Speaker 1: here a little bit, since my mouse is being funky. Okay. Now,
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  Speaker 1: little did Anchorage know that the meek Baker was gone,
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  Speaker 1: and in his place is a man with wings, a
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  Speaker 1: man with a map, and a man who, thanks to
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  Speaker 1: the last ten years of systematic failures by the State
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  Speaker 1: of Alaska, believes he is untouchable and guys, He's not
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  Speaker 1: wrong to some degree. Okay, Alaska, they did that to him.
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  Speaker 1: For the next few years, the silence of the Alaskan
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  Speaker 1: wilderness will be punctuated by the roar of a piper
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  Speaker 1: super cup engine. Guys, that just freaks me out. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Hansen has moved from being a scavenger of the
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  Speaker 1: streets to an architect of disappearances. He's no longer looking
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  Speaker 1: for dates. He's looking for cargo. Before we get into
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  Speaker 1: the stories of these women, I reserved several episodes. I
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  Speaker 1: should say we reserved several episodes to be able to
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  Speaker 1: tell their individual stories in showcase who they were as
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  Speaker 1: people and they were more than just dancers or sex
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  Speaker 1: workers or victims of Robert Hansen, because they were and
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  Speaker 1: they are uh oh Savage is in the chat. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I am flying solo and I am unsupervised and doublehs
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  Speaker 1: at homes, so you should be especially scared. Okay. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Loma didn't think it was going to be hard and
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  Speaker 1: difficult to find information about seventeen plus victims of an
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  Speaker 1: infamous serial killer from forty five years ago. And she
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  Speaker 1: said she doesn't know if it was because of the
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  Speaker 1: time period or it was because many of them had
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  Speaker 1: numerous aliases, or that simply nobody care. Loma, I'm here
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  Speaker 1: to tell you I agree with you. It's a combination
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  Speaker 1: of things and it just breaks my heart for them.
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  Speaker 1: Society didn't see them as people while they were alive.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Hansen didn't know how much didn't about any of them,
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  Speaker 1: not even their names. Even after many were identified and found.
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  Speaker 1: The only evidence they ever walked this earth was merely
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  Speaker 1: a sentence or two. That's horrific. So while we may
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  Speaker 1: not have much information to share about some individuals, that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we've forgotten them. Okay. They say you
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  Speaker 1: live as long as the last person who remembers you,
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  Speaker 1: so please, I'm begging you keep their names alive, both
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  Speaker 1: in your mind and on your tongue because they deserve that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they deserve that. And Lama, yes, this case has been
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  Speaker 1: heartbreaking and you have done an amazing job with it,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that you forced me to do
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  Speaker 1: so many episodes. So there's a video, no sound, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I have never done a video before, guys, So we're
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  Speaker 1: going to see how Terry does. So this could go
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  Speaker 1: off the rails, but let's see how this goes. My
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  Speaker 1: mouse is being a little witch tonight. Okay, I did it? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The year nineteen eighty began under a dark, literal cloud.
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  Speaker 1: On May eighteenth, Mount Saint Helen's erupted in Washington, sending
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  Speaker 1: a plume of ash into the atmosphere that blanketed the
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  Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. It was a day the world changed, changed,
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  Speaker 1: a day of sudden catasalismic shifts. I can't say that word,
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  Speaker 1: but guys, for the people of Alaska, the news of
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  Speaker 1: the eruption dominated the airways, the newspapers, and the conversation
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  Speaker 1: in every coffee shop. But in the quiet port town
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  Speaker 1: of Seaward. Okay, guys, my mouse may not let me
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  Speaker 1: keep doing this. We'll see Seaward. While the world was
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  Speaker 1: distracted by the falling ash, another tragedy was unfolding, one
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  Speaker 1: that wouldn't make headlines for years Alaska. On May nineteenth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, just one day after the earth fractured in Washington,
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  Speaker 1: a young woman named Joanna Messina, who was thought to
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  Speaker 1: be twenty three or twenty four years old, was reported missing.
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  Speaker 1: Joanna Messina was also known as Joanna Demy or Joanna McCoy.
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  Speaker 1: So many names. Now she was a drifter seeking something
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  Speaker 1: she hadn't found in New York. She was a trained
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  Speaker 1: nurse who had walked away from her past. She had
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  Speaker 1: hitched her way to Alaska with only her most loyal companion,
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  Speaker 1: an over protective German shepherd, and seward. Her life was
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  Speaker 1: a series of tenuous anchors. She found work in a
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  Speaker 1: cannery and settled into a boarding house owned by an
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  Speaker 1: inexperienced landlord who seemed to care more about the tax
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  Speaker 1: ride off than the people living in his rooms. Sounds
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  Speaker 1: like a landlord. Tennants described her as isolated, preferring the
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  Speaker 1: company of her dog to the people around her. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: because dogs are better than people. Okay, it was a
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  Speaker 1: dog that became her defining feature, an animal so intensely
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  Speaker 1: protective that those who knew them often whispered the same question,
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  Speaker 1: how could anyone get close enough to hurt her? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Her life ensured was defined by a steady retreat from stability.
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  Speaker 1: After being evicted from the boarding house, she stayed briefly
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  Speaker 1: with the friend, a situation that ended just as abruptly
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  Speaker 1: as it began. By the time she moved to a
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  Speaker 1: temporary campground, she was truly alone except for her dog. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm upset that we do not have pictures of the dog,
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  Speaker 1: okay now. When her friends returned to that campsite to
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  Speaker 1: check on her a few days later, they found only
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  Speaker 1: silence in the woods. There was no sign of Joanna,
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  Speaker 1: no sign of her dog, and no sign of a struggle.
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  Speaker 1: Joanna Messina had vanished. On May nineteenth, nineteen eighty. She
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  Speaker 1: was officially reported missing. The name confusion Messina de Maya
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  Speaker 1: McCoy was the first of many hurdles that would plague
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  Speaker 1: this investigation. To the police, she was a drifter, a
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  Speaker 1: woman with no permanent address, and a complicated identity. In
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  Speaker 1: the rush of everyday police work, these are the cases
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  Speaker 1: that often slip through the cracks. What they didn't know
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  Speaker 1: then but we know now, is that the eruption of
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  Speaker 1: Mount Saint Helen's wasn't the only tremor in the Northwest
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  Speaker 1: that week. While the nation looked at the volcanic ash,
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  Speaker 1: a predator was looking at a map, and a woman
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  Speaker 1: who had come thousands of miles to find herself had
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  Speaker 1: instead walked into the past of a ghost. Oh, and
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  Speaker 1: lady in Gray who's modding over on the vertical is
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  Speaker 1: anxious to see what has been what Lama has found
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  Speaker 1: on these women. Oh she did good, leg I will
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  Speaker 1: tell you she did good. I've already been through it all.
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  Speaker 1: So while the authorities were still scratching their heads over
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  Speaker 1: Joanna Messina's disappearance and Seaward, a new, more aggressive pattern
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  Speaker 1: was emerging in the heart of Anchorage. On June twenty eighth,
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  Speaker 1: just a month after Joanna vanished, Roxanne Eastland, a twenty
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  Speaker 1: four year old woman known to the city's nightlife, left
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  Speaker 1: her room at the Budget Motel on Spinnered Road for
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  Speaker 1: a date. She never returned. Roxanne was a woman who
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  Speaker 1: navigated the blurred lines of the Anchorage underground. She was
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  Speaker 1: known by a dozen aliases, Karen Bunsgard, Cassandra Goodwin. Why
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why it's not showing you all of
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  Speaker 1: their names, But I tried. But she moved through the
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  Speaker 1: world with the kind of fluidity that made her invisible
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  Speaker 1: to the people who were supposed to protect her. To
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  Speaker 1: the police, she was Avenue Girl, a label that carried
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  Speaker 1: a heavily dismissive weight. In nineteen eighty she was five
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  Speaker 1: foot four slight of build, often wearing wireframed glasses in
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  Speaker 1: a distinctive brown leather coat with a dark fur collar.
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  Speaker 1: She was someone who frequented the downtown clubs, a fixture
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  Speaker 1: of the Fourth Avenue scene, but on that late June afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: she was a target. Lady and Gray, I want to
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  Speaker 1: know myself, Lady and Gray says, I don't understand how
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  Speaker 1: Hansen controlled that dog. German Shepherds are notoriously protective and
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  Speaker 1: loyal to their person one thousand percent. I had a
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  Speaker 1: German Shepherd growing up. I have a German Shepherd Border
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  Speaker 1: calling mix, and let me tell you, bear would take
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  Speaker 1: you out, which leads me to think something bad was
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  Speaker 1: done to that dog. And I'm not going to think
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  Speaker 1: about it, okay. Her disappearance followed the same chilling script
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  Speaker 1: that would soon become all too familiar to Alaskan investigators.
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  Speaker 1: Roxanne left her boyfriend at the Budget motel to meet
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  Speaker 1: an unknown male on Fourth Avenue. It was the classic lore.
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  Speaker 1: When she didn't appear after a few days, her friends
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  Speaker 1: became desperate. Now, guys, why did the friends have to
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  Speaker 1: report her missing? Why did the boyfriend and I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend because if you're a pent boyfriend, whatever, Why weren't
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  Speaker 1: you trying to find her? Why? Why? Okay? By July second,
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  Speaker 1: the reports were filed, but again the administration chaos worked
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  Speaker 1: in the predator's favor. With her multiple aliases, Karen Lee
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  Speaker 1: Bondsgarded became the most prominent. The paperwork was fragmented in
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  Speaker 1: an error before centralized digital databases, Tracking a woman who
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  Speaker 1: lived under several names was like trying to catch wind
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  Speaker 1: catch smoke in a windstorm, which is impossible. I think
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  Speaker 1: the police treated her disappearance as a lifestyle issue. There
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  Speaker 1: was no city wide alert, no suspicion that a serial
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  Speaker 1: killer was operating a flight service out of the Anchorage Airstrips.
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  Speaker 1: Roxanne Eastland never turned up. The brown leather coat, the
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  Speaker 1: high heeled boots, and the life she was trying to
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  Speaker 1: build in a budget motel simply evaporated into the Alaskan summer.
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  Speaker 1: Roxanne Eastlam was not just a missing person. She was
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  Speaker 1: the second chapter in a story of systematic failure. By
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  Speaker 1: the time her friend reported her missing, Robert Hansen had
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  Speaker 1: already turned his focus back to the bars, back to
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  Speaker 1: the clubs, and back to the hunt. He had learned
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  Speaker 1: that the police would do little more than follow a
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  Speaker 1: report under an alias and wait for her to turn up.
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  Speaker 1: So Lama says she is now in a serious monogamous
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  Speaker 1: relationship with newspaper dot com. Lama, I'm sorry to tell
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  Speaker 1: you newspaper dot com is also in a relationship with me,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not monogamous. Sorry if you thought it was
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  Speaker 1: just kidding. On July eighth, nineteen eighty, the silence of
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  Speaker 1: a gravel pit near Seward was broken by a discovery
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  Speaker 1: that would haunt the Kanaya Peninsula for years to come.
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  Speaker 1: A camper, perhaps looking for a quiet spot away from
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  Speaker 1: the highway, stumbled upon a scene of primal horror. A
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  Speaker 1: large black bear had unearthed a shallow grave, and the
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  Speaker 1: body of a young woman had become a food source
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  Speaker 1: for the scavenger. The case was handled to investigator John Lucking.
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  Speaker 1: What a name, mister Lucking? A man who looked like
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  Speaker 1: he belonged on a football field, but possessed the sharp
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  Speaker 1: instincts of a veteran investigator. However, before Lucking could even
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  Speaker 1: begin to process the crime scene, he found himself in
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  Speaker 1: a bizarre stand off with Alaskan bureaucracy. Why am I
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  Speaker 1: not surprised? What about you guys? As Lucky arrived at
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  Speaker 1: the scene. The black bear returned to its fine. In Alaska,
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  Speaker 1: black bears were a protected species. I don't know why,
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  Speaker 1: but they are. I don't think they are anymore, but
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  Speaker 1: they used to be. The fish and wildlife police arrived
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  Speaker 1: with a focus that infuriated Lucking. They were just as
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  Speaker 1: concerned with the safety of the bear as they were
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  Speaker 1: with the murder of the woman. Really people. When the
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  Speaker 1: bear refused to be scared away, Lucking's team had no
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  Speaker 1: choice but destroy it. The resulting administrative heat, the paperwork,
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  Speaker 1: and the scrutiny over a protected animal while a human
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  Speaker 1: lay discarded in the dirt led the troopers to give
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  Speaker 1: Joanna a nickname that reflected both the tragedy of her
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  Speaker 1: remains and the absurdity of the investigation. The bear Lady,
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  Speaker 1: What that's just awful? Identifying the victim was a forensic nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: Wildlife had destroyed much of the physical evidence, and the
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  Speaker 1: search for her identity was hampered by the same aliases
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  Speaker 1: that had obscured her life. Initially known to local police
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  Speaker 1: as Joanna McCoy from New York, investigators hit a dead
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  Speaker 1: ind until they uncovered the name Anna Messini. It was
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  Speaker 1: through this name that they finally connected with her family
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  Speaker 1: back east and secured the dental records needed for a
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  Speaker 1: positive ID. She wasn't just a bear lady or a McCoy.
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  Speaker 1: She was a daughter, a trained nurse, and a woman
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  Speaker 1: who had whose journey west ended in a shallow pit.
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  Speaker 1: Lucking turned his sights on the new on the Seward
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  Speaker 1: residence because Joanna had alienated many people at her boarding house.
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  Speaker 1: The list of suspects was long, but one name rose
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  Speaker 1: at the top, the veterinarian who had served as her landlord.
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  Speaker 1: So Lady and Grace as the bear police are sirius
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  Speaker 1: in Alaska. Wow, I thought you could kill bears there. Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's over in Canada. Okay. Maybe. A source, the
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  Speaker 1: friend who had reported Joanna missing, convinced Lucking that the
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  Speaker 1: Vet in Joanna were having an affair. She painted a
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  Speaker 1: picture of a pat to stay scheme where rent was
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  Speaker 1: traded for sex. When the VET denied it, Lucking saw
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  Speaker 1: a liar, and when the vet failed a polygraph, the
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  Speaker 1: readings off the charts. When asked about Joanna, Lucking believed
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  Speaker 1: he had his killer. Thank you Lomma for correcting me.
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  Speaker 1: The pay to sky instead of pat to stay. I
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the pat to stay. You got to
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  Speaker 1: pat a little here, Okay, got it? Uh? Luckying hypothesized.
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  Speaker 1: The Vet had grown tired of the arrangement. Fearing Joanne
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  Speaker 1: would expose the affair to his wife and ruin his career.
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  Speaker 1: The Vet used his knowledge of animals to neutralize her
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  Speaker 1: protective German shepherd and took her to the gravel pit
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  Speaker 1: to silence her. The Vet essentially broke confessing to the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: affair that adamantly denying the murder. I mean, it'd be
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: a lot easier to just divorce my wife if she
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: found out than to kill Joanna, he argued. He was
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: eventually cleared, and guys, a veterinarian having an affair might
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: ruin your marriage life. I don't know how it's going
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to ruin your career because I was married to one
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and he's love with everybody. Okay, Now, the investigation has
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: been a carousal of red herrings. The Vet was innocent,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: The boarding house manager with the gun collection was a
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: dead end, and the owner of the old camper was
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: out of town. Joanna Messina's body had been riddled with
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: bullet holes, but the bullets did not match okay any
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: guns in seward, the case went cold. Lucking didn't know
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: now that while he was fighting over the life of
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: a bear and chasing a small town affair, the real
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: killer was a hundred miles north in Anchorage, baking bread
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and cleaning the glass out of his truck. It would
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: take two years in more bodies before the murder of
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Joanna Messina was finally linked to the man with the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: piper super cup. That is awful. While the Kenaia pensula
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: was re from the discovery of the bear Lady, a
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: different kind of I just lost my place, a different
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: kind of horror was surfacing just north of Anchorage on
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: July seventeenth, nineteen eighty I am not doing so good
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: at this. Less than ten days after Joanna Messino was found,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a group of workman clearing brush along a series of
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: power lines in Eklutna made another gruesome discovery. Buried in
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: a shallow, leaf covered grave was the body of a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: young woman. She was petite, barely five foot tall, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: she had been there for a long time. In the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: police files, she was labeled simply as homicide hashtag four
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: three two six'. Two but to the investigators and the.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Public she would become known by a name that highlighted
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: both the location of her rest and the mystery of her,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: LIFE A Clutna. Annie veteran Investigator Maxine farnell took the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: lead on the. Case from the moment the remains were,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: unearthed one thing was clear To. Pharrell this woman didn't
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: belong in the. Woods she was definitely a city, Girl farrell,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: noted pointing to the victim's. Clothing Eukluttna annie had been
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: buried in high style fashion that was ill suited for
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: The alaskan. Bush she wore reddish brown knee, high high
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: heeled zip up, boots a hip link leather, jacket a
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: sleeveless knit top in blue. Jeans, NOW i just want to,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: say you can still be a city girl and go
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to the. Country. Okay SO i don't like. That you
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: can dress however you, Want. Okay in her, pocket investigators
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: found a, small mundane detail that humanized the skeletal, remains
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: a buck Of salem. Matches she was likely a, smoker
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a young woman who perhaps stood under the neon lights
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of the anchorage strip lighting a cigarette before stepping into
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a car that she thought was a. Taxi or maybe a. Date, sorry,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: guys my whistle was wet or getting, dry and it
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: needed to be. Wet unlike many Of hansen's later victims
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: who were stripped of their, Identities annie was, okay, guys all,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: right this mouse is not. Working maybe it's getting. Low
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: annie was found with a wealth of distinct handmade. Jewelry
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: these were the Clues ferrell hoped would lead to a.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Name she had on a handmade metal bracelet bracelet set
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: with three turquoise, stones a copper necklace with shelbys and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: a heart, pendant A timex watch with a brown face
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and circular metal, links and a gold plated twisted metal hoop.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Earrings she was, petite likely between eighteen and twenty three years,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: old with hair that ranged from light brown to strawberry.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Blonde some Suspected Native american, heritage while others thought she
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: might be one of the many women who cycled through
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: The West coast circuit Of, Seattle, portland And. Anchorage the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: autopsy revealed a chilling. Detail annie had been dead for
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: at least ten. Months this meant she had been killed
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: in the late fall or early winner of nineteen seventy,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: nine around the same Time Christy, hayes who covered in
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the last, episode was fighting for her life in the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: back of a. Camper Maxine ferrell expressed deep frustration what
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: was becoming a theme For alaska law. Enforcement she had the,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: jewelry she had the dental, charts and she had the,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: fringerprints but in nineteen, eighty without a national database for
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: missing persons in the sex, trade At Klutna annie remained a.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Ghost pharah believed she had several leads to a potential,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: slayer but the reality was that the investigation stalled at
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the most basic. Level they couldn't find the kill because
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: they couldn't even find out who the victim. Was rip
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: my heart out and just shatter. It why don't? Wait?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Okay at the, time no one linked at Glutinat annie
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to The Bear lady found In. Seward one was a
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: recent murder and a gravel. Pit the other was a
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: skeletal remain under a power, Line but the signature was
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: there for those who knew where to. Look the shallow,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: grave the proximity to a transportation, quarter and the choice
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: of a victim who existed on the fringes of. Society
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: While Maxine ferrell searched For annie's. Name Robert hansen was
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: still working his shifts at the, bakery confident that as
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: long as his victims Remained annie's Or, jane's the law
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: would never knock on his. Door, guys in case you
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: didn't know, THIS i really don't Like Robert hanson AND
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: i really don't Like. ALASKA i hate. THEM i hate. Them,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Okay oh, goodness that went down the wrong. Pipe oh my,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: goodness that is never happened on camera. Before, sorry, Guys
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: oh my. Goodness as the summer of nineteen eighty bled Into,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: september the atmosphere and The anchorage clubs shifted from vibrant to.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Paranoid two bodies had been found In, july and The
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: avenue girls were starting to notice who hadn't come back to.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Work On september, six the fear hit home at one
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: of the city's most famous, establishments The Great Alaska Bush. Company,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: guys really, Really i'm, sorry why why? Why? Why? Why
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: why why did we call it? That, okay why, Now, Lisa? Betty,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: okay hold, on, Guys i'm going to try to fix
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: what's going on with my mouse and switch out. Mouses,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: okay let's see if that. Works Lisa Betty, futrelle a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: forty two year old, dancer finished her, shift adjusted her
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: light blue down best and stepped out into the crisp
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: autumn air for a. Date she was never seen alive.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Again unlike many of the younger women who are drifting Through,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Alaska lisa was an established. Presence born in nineteen eighty,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: three she was the oldest of the women who had
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: vanished during this terrifying. Stretch at forty, two she was
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a veteran of the, scene someone who presumably knew the,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: risk knew the, characters and knew how to handle. Herself
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: when she left The Bush company that, evening she was
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: dressed for the Cooling alaskan weather in her light blue down,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: veest dark corduroy, pants and black. Shoes And i'm, thinking
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: guys that we have her birthday wrong and it's a,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: typo but we're just going to keep, going, okay because
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: we think she was born in like forty. One, okay
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: if she was forty, two so that's. Okay she was
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: dressed for that coolingli skin, Winner. Okay she was five
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: foot two with brown hair and blue. Eyes she was
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: a petite woman who despite her years of experience was
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: no match for a predator who had spent the last
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: decade refinding his ability to immobilize his. Prey, guys that
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: gives me goosebumps and chills to this. Day okay. Now
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: lisa was reported missing the very next, Day september. Seventh
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the speed of the report suggested she had a life
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that people noticed she was missing. From she wasn't a.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Drifter she had a, job a, schedule and people who
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: expected her to show. Up. Now her disappearance sent a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: shockwave through The Bush. Company this was the same club
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: where just six months, Earlier Christy hayes had spot At
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Robert hansen and called the. Police this was the same
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: club Where hansen sat in the dark booth peeking around
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to make sure he wasn't. Recognized. Asshole, now With Lisa futrell's,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: disappearance a pattern began to. Emerge may nineteen, Eighty Joanna. Messina, okay,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: guys it's not popping. Up let me, No, okay there
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: it goes, finally what is going? On But may nineteen,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Eighty Joanna messina disappeared From. Seward then In june nineteen, eighty,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: okay give, up it's not. Work then In june of nineteen,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Eighty rocks In eastland vanishes From, anchorage and then In
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: september nineteen, Eighty lucivitrell disappears from The Bush. Company now
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: my mouse is being like The alaskan, police, okay and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: not doing its. Shop just gonna say, That. Lama we are.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Humans and guess, what, sweetheart it is okay to make.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Mistakes we all do. Them all we have to do
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: is figure out where we made the mistake and put
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: a plan in place so we can try not to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: do it. Again but guess, what, sweetheart you might do it.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Again it. Happens, okay it, Happens so don't do that to, yourself.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Okay and why is my face so big over on the?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Vertical that's. Okay the police now had three women missing
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: in a four month, span in two, Bodies joanna's And
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: eklutna cooling in the. Morn, yet Because lisa was just
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: another dancer and forty two years, old the urgency from
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the higher ups was still. Lagging the investigators were beginning
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to look at the date as the common. Denominator the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: unknown man who waited outside the clubs offering a ride
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: for a few dollars and then erase these women from the.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Map Robert hansen had struck, again right in the heart
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: of the, city at a club he frequented. Regularly he
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: was hiding in plane sight, guys banking on the fact
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that the police would never think the local baker was
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the date who never brought these women. Home of, course
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: why would they think. That why would they do their
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: job and do? That, okay why would they come? On?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Now as the first winter snows of nineteen eighty began
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to blanket The Chucuk, mountains a, heavy suffocating silence set
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: it over a settled over. Sandwiage the silent decade hadn't just,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Ended it had shattered into a reality that no one
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: in law enforcement was prepared to name. Guys they were
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: caught with their pants. Down, okay let's just be. Honest
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: in just one, summer the map had been marked with
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the blood of the foun and the shadows of the.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Missing Joanna messini was a name and a file Ensewered.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Eklutna annie was a city girl without a name in
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: a grave north of. Town Roxanne eastland And Lisa fattrell
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: were empty chairs in a dressing room in dressing rooms Of,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: spinnard their leather coats and blue vests the only thing
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: left of. Them Robert, hansen nineteen eighty had been a
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: year of proof of. Concept he had tested the eyebolt
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: in the. Camper he had mastered the logistics of the.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Date most, importantly he had learned that the police were
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: still looking at these cases as isolated, tragedies unconnected flickers of,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: violence and a rough and tumble frontier. Town but as
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the calendar turned to nineteen eighty, one the predator wasn't.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Retreating he was. Emboldened the winter was merely a time for,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: maintenance sharpening the, knives cleaning the, rifle and setting the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: flight charts for the spring. Fall that just the women
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: of the strip were starting to realize that going on
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a date was becoming a game Of russian. Room but
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: as nineteen eighty one, dawned they didn't know that the
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: man behind the counter at the bakery was already scouting
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: his next. Ex uhh, exactly lady And, gray tell, her tell, her,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: okay she did an amazing. Job, sorry if you can
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: hear my dog barking at, messmine doubleh is pulled up
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and she's gonna mark for. Him as the spring of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one thawed The alaskan, interior the grim momentum
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: of the previous year did not. Slow the predator had
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: spent the winter months, undisturbed and by the Time june,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: arrived he was back in the. Cockpit the first name
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to enter the Missing person's ledger for nineteen eighty one
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: is a woman whose story remains one of the most
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: haunting in this entire. Case born On august, twentieth nineteen fifty,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Five Malia larsen was twenty five years old and just
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: weeks away from her twenty sixth birthday when she vanished
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: into the, bright endless light at The alaskan summer In
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: june of nineteen eighty. One in the records of The Butcher,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Baker malia often exists as a. Shadow unlike some of
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the other victims whose movements were documented by roommates or,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: boyfriends the information available On malia is tragically. Sparse we
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: know her, age we know her, birthdate and we know
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: that by Mid, june the seat that she occupied in
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the world was suddenly inexplicitly. Empty malia fit the profile
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: That Robert hansen had. Perfected she was in her mid,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: twenties living in a city where people could come and
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: go without being missed for, days sometimes weeks in the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: eyes of the. Police in nineteen eighty, one a twenty
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: five year old vanishing from The anchorage scene was often
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: written off as someone who simply headed back to The
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: lower forty eight or moved on to the next. Boomtown
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: But malaia hadn't moved. On she had been. Intercepted sorry
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: about the dog, Barking she's still, going still. Going her
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: disappearance In june of nineteen eighty one is a critical
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: marker In hansen's. Timeline june was a prime month for
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the aerial hunting. Strategy the days were, long the weather was,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: predictable and his family was often, away leaving his home
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: and his camper as private staging. Grounds he knew that
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the authorities were chasing ghosts and the gravel pits of
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: The Kenaia peninsula while he was choosing his landing strips
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: in the, expansive unmonitored brush of The Matanuska Sousna, valley
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: oh Oh. Okay Malia larson was the first of the
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, victims a signal that the Butcher baker
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: was not satisfied with the count he had already. ACHIEVED
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: i hate this. MAN i hate. Him by late nineteen,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: eighty the air And anchorage had grown thin and. Cold
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the disappearances were no longer just a string of tack.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Tragedies there was a pattern that The Anchorage Police department
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and The Alaska State troopers were finally reluctantly beginning to.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: IGNORE i, mean how much More captain obvious do you? Need?
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: PEOPLE i, mean seriously into this vortex of uncensured Statist Sherrie,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: morrow also known As georgia Or Cherry, graves a twenty
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: three year old dancer whose life would become the key
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: that finally exposed the Butcher. Baker he's already been. Exposed
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: they're just not believe in, Him, okay not believe in the.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Girls cherry was remembered by those closest to her as, quiet,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: shy and a deeply lonely young. Woman she had spent
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: years drifting through The anchorage club, scene at The strip
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: and the, Wild cherry always searching for something more than
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the transactional nature of her, life of the life she.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Led friends described her as to a, fault a woman
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: who wanted to believe the best in, people even when
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: those around her warned her that she was looking for
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: respect in the places where it simply did not. EXIST
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: i love, that even going through you, know work in the,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: club she still tried to see the best in. People
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that tells you she had a good. Heart, Guys i'm
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: sorry it. Does on the morning Of november, seventeenth nineteen eighty,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: One sherry left a friend's apartment at The Sleeping Lady.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Apartments she left behind all of her personal, belongings intending
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to return. Shortly she had been offered an opportunity that
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: sounded way too good to be. True three hundred dollars
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: for an hour to pose for nude. Photographs hey, Girl,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: yeah THAT i would fall for that would today? Now
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: they would pay me to keep my clothes, On BUT i.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Digress for a dancer struggling to find a way, out
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: the offer was a. Lifeline she was to meet this
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: photographer At alice's two ten cafe On East Fifth. Avenue
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: she left the apartment wearing blue, jeans wire roomed, glasses
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: and a baby blue ski jacket trimmed in a darker.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Blue she walked out the door and into the hands
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: of the man who had been hurting her peers for
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: over a. Decade When sherry failed to, return her family
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and friends knew immediately that something was. Wrong she was
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: not the type to vanish without a. Word she would
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: have reached. Out as Investigator Maxine ferrell, noted the fear
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't just that she was, missing but that she had
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: been lured into a, trap perhaps even taken by a,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: predator a predator operating under the guise of a professional.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Photographer the police were beginning to connect the dots Between
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: sherry's disappearance and those Of Roxanne eastland And Lisa fratrell
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: from the previous. Year all three were topless. Dancers all
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: three were seen leaving for a date or an. Opportunity
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: all three were, gone leaving behind families who were beginning
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: to realize that the person they were looking for wasn't
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: just a missing. Person they were looking for a victim
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of an active serial. Predator the disappearance Of Sherry marrow
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: was the turning police turning. Point it was the case
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: that moved beyond that lifestyle dismissal enforced the troopers to
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: face the reality of a serial. Killer As Sergeant Lyle, Howksavin, sorry,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: sir IF i slaughtered your name would later note they
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: had to keep these women in the back of their.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Minds but For Robert, Hansen Cherry morrow was simply the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: next piece of cargo to be flown out to The
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Knicks river and left to the. Elements, guys that is
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: a horrible. Thought that is a, horrible horrible. Thought following
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the loss Of Sherry, morrow the sense of dread among
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the city's dancers had reached a fever. Pitch yet the
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: predator remained. Relentless he didn't give. Up On december, second nineteen,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: eighty nineteen eighty, one another name was added to that,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: tragic tragic. List Andrea Mona altiri Exactly Betty. Rossip finally
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: they pay. ATTENTION i, mean you could have hit these
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: investigators with a cast iron skillet and they wouldn't have
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: gotten it. Okay known to her friends As fish and
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: to the patrons of The Bush company As, Enchantment andrea
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: was a twenty three year old dancer whose life was
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: abruptly cut short during the transition into the holiday. Season
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: on the night Of december, Second andrea left her home
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: with a specific destination in. Mind she was heading to
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: The Boniface. Mall reports lead to meet a, date an
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: older man who had arranged to meet her. There according
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: to those who knew, her she was expecting a professional,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: engagement a photo sheets photo. Shoot she was last seen
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: taking a checker cab to the mall around ELEVEN. Pm
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: she was described as being between five two and five,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: six with dark hair and hazel brown. Eyes she was
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: wearing a black leather, jacket a red, sweater blue, jeans
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and a distinctive brown set of cowboy. Boots she also
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: carried a black zipper purse and a small flowery patterned makeup.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Bag andrea was more than just a. Dancer she was
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: a young woman who carried her history and her. Jewelry
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: when she, disappeared she was wearing pieces that were deeply
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: personal to. Her a green colored ring with a single pearl,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: sorry a golden colored ring with a single, pearl another
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: one with two, pearls an antique wedding band with a
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: rose at a, top and a custom made gold the
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: necklace shaped like a salmon featuring a diamond set of the.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Eye not long after her, disappearance her, family perhaps feeling
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the crushing weight of the investigation or simply trying to
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: cope with the agony of the, unknown eventually requested that
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: her missing person file be. Closed it was a somber
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: surrender to a system that had failed to find, her
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and a reflection of the profound grief that followed these. Women,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: guys no one should fault the family for doing, that.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Okay however they need to grieve and move. On is
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent okay in their. Choice the pattern was
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: now screamingly obvious to those observing the string of. Disappearance
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: whether it Was Sherry morrow meeting a man for a
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: nude photo shoot At alice's two ten cafe Or Andrea
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: altier heading to The Boniface mall for a similar, setup
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the Butcher baker had found his ultimate. Lure he was
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: using the promise of professional, photography a legitimate industry, opportunity
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to disarm women who were desperate for a way out
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: of the. Clubs he targeted their. Weakness by the end
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety nineteen eighty, One anchorage had seen a
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: devastating surge in. Disappearances Andrea Altieria altiri was the last
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: advantage that, year but her disappearance served as a grim
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: conclusion to a year where the hunter perfected his. Craft
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Robert hansen was no longer just a predator hiding in the.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Woods he was an invisible architect of these, disappearances moving
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: through the city with the confidence of a man who
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: believed he would never be held accountable for the women
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: he plucked from the neon lit streets Of. Anchorage, Anchorage, you, Guys,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: alaska you gave him this, power. Okay nineteen eighty two
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: began with the city Of anchorage reaching a breaking. Point
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: the veneer of the Butcher baker's ananimity was starting to,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: crack not just because of police, work but because the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: community itself was beginning to boil over with. Rage so are?
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: We so are? We so are? We On february, fourth
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, two the reality of this situation was laid.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Bare veteran Investigator Maxine ferrell stood before the press with
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: a devastating. Admission seven, women six of them, dancers from
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the downtown topless, clubs had vanished in the last twenty.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Months lady And, gray you're absolutely, Correct alaska law, enforcement
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: y'all suck, Okay and sadly we know y'all still suck.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Okay all of these girls were missing and we don't
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: know where they. Went farrell stated she had spent months,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: traveling calling and pleading with the families of the, lost
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: only to hear the same harrowing response, silence no, postcards
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: no phone, calls no running weight to start, over just
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: the gut wrenching confirmation that their loved ones were. Gone, man,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: GUYS i that is just. Horrific While John lucking And
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Chuck miller were struggling with The Joanna messina, murder a
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: larger problem loomed on the, horizon you don't. Say the
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: first person to notice the larger issue Was Maxine ferrell
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: with The Anchorage Police. Department farrell was, troubled deeply. Troubled,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: now while all of this was taking, Place Maxine ferrell
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: of The Anchorage Police department noticed what looked like a
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: strange new. Development she was used to dancers being reported
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: missing only to turn up, later but now topless dancers
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: in The anchorage area seemed to be turning up missing
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: with increasing, frequency and not very many of them were
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: turning up. Again the press picked up on the story
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: and headlined the disappearances with some. Alarm, now when some
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: of the missing dancers eventually return eventually turned up in other. Cities,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: however the newspapers lost interest in the, story But Maxine
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: ferrell never lost. Interest in, fact as nineteen eighty stretched
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: into nineteen eighty. One in nineteen eighty, two it was
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: evident to everyone in law enforcement that something was a
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Miss are? Amiss that's. Something And, yet While Maxine ferrell
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: was the most, suspicious even her suspicions were difficult to.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Document the lifestyles of these women made it almost impossible
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: to determine if there were a large number of missing.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Dancers several factors were important in. This yes he, did
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: he was, escalating to say the. LEAST i, mean he
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: kind of was given a. Pass he was kind of
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: told that, he you, know wasn't doing anything. Wrong it
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: was let go. Now the same night That Maxine ferrell
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: told the city Of anchorage about the connection of the missing,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: dancers The Wild Cherry, club the very place Where Sherry
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: morrow had once, danced was plunged into a state of. Panic,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: guys The Alaskan Bush, company the Kit, kat The Wild.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Cherry can we get some better? Names can we just
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: get some better? Names? Okay an anonymous tip at eleven
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: twenty FOUR pm warned a bomb. Okay when police cleared
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the building and bombed disposal crews moved, in they discovered
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: a vice inside a restroom toilet tank that at, first
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: very first, glance looked like a death. Trap there were safety,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: flares loose, wires, transistors and an alarm, clock all bundled
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: to mimic a stick of high GRADE c four. Explosive it,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: was As Police Chief Brian porter later, confirmed a theatrical
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: prop fake designed to, terrify not to, Kill but the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: message left on the device was. Unmistakable someone In anchorage
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: was watching the same pattern the police were. Seeing someone
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: was furious at the club, owners the, establishment and perhaps
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: the city itself for failing to stop the predator who
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: was plucking dancers off The Fourth avenue scene one by.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: One Chief porter and THE apd treated the bomb scare
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: as of a, distraction but it was actually a symptom
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: of a deeper social societal. Sickness the city was beginning
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: to realize that the disappearances weren't just, isolating isolated. Events
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: they were a systematic. Failure the police had seven, names seven,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: faces and a growing stack of files that they were
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: still operating in the dark. Now Whether Robert hansen planted
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that fake bomb remains one of the, million many what
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: if questions in the entire. Case while we don't have
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: a smoking, gun like a, confession or a fingerprint on
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: the alarm clock that we know, of who, knows police
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: may not even have looked for all we, know there
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: are several reasons why a few investigators in true crime
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: historians have long suspected it might have been his, work,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: or at the very, least a move he found deeply.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Satisfying hanson viewed himself as the smartest person in any.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Room he was obsessed with, control and he had a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: profound contempt for the. POLICE a fake bomb is the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: ultimate theatric called crime because it forces the police to stop,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: everything clear, buildings and sweat under the pressure of a potential,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: disaster all for a device that was never meant to go.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Off it would have allowed him to watch from a
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: safe distance while the chaos he created paralyzed the. City
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: he would have loved, That, okay he would have loved
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: That The Wild cherry wasn't just any, club it was
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: his own hunting. Ground by placing a fake bond, there
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: he was effectively threatening his own. Inventory but more, importantly
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: it sent a message to everyone THAT i am in
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: control of this space and you are all under my.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: THUMB i hate, him. GUYS i really didn't THINK i
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: could hate him, more BUT i. Do Chief porter specifically
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: noted that the writing on the bomb suggested someone was
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: mad at the establishment for missing. Girls hanson was an
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: expert at. Projection throughout his, life he constantly blamed his
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: victims and the police for his own. Circumstances using a
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: note that mocked the police for their failures to find
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: the missing women fits his psychological profile of an arrogant
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: predator who mocks the incompetence of those trying to catch.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Him and they are, incompetent they were, Okay he is right.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: There even a broken clock is right twice a. Day
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: hanson's right once they're. Incompetent there's also the fact That
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: hanson was by trade a hunter and an outdoorsman who
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: was comfortable with. Guar fiddling with, flares, wires and electrical
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: components is exactly the kind of tinkering that he was known.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: For he was a man who built his own, traps
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: modified his own. Aircraft, yeah, guys now it is equally
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: possible that the fake bomb was the work of a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: furious member of the public or maybe a. Vigilante By
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: february nineteen eighty, two the panic And anchorage was. Absolute
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: the families of the missing were being, ignored and the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: strip community was. Terrified it is entirely possible that someone,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: else tired of the police in, action tried to force
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the issue by creating a media. Spectacle whether or not
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: A hansom placed, it the bomb served his interests. Perfectly
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: it turned the police attention towards internal security and mad bombers,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: feather distracting them from the, quiet stuttering man who is
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: busy loading His piper Super cub for the next death.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Flight it was a smoke, screen and in the game
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: of cat And mouse That hansome was, playing smoke screens
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: were his favorite. Weapon, okay, GUYS i really don't like this.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: GUY i really Don't. LAMA i think it was him.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: TOO i think it was. Him i'm, SORRY i think
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: it was. HIM i do. Now By may nineteen eighty,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: two the predator wasn't just working The Anchorage. Strip he
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: was reading a script that had become lefully. Efficient Sue,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: luna a twenty three year old dancer who had come
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: To alaska From seattle for a brief six week, stint
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: would become the next victim to. Vanish her disappearance didn't
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: just haunt her, family it provided The anchorage to a
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: police department with the most chilling confirmation yet that they
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: were dealing with a singular repetitive. Predator, finally, guys, finally come, on, faiersly,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: FINALLY i mean come. On she was described as, tenderhearted
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: show so gentle that she couldn't even bring herself to
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: housebreak her own. Puppy, okay that's. Sweet and she was
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: also a devoted. Mother her four year old, Daughter, liz
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: stayed down in the lower forty eight on a trip with.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Family When sue arrived In anchorage via a pipeline From
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: seattle managed By Talent. West she was cautious by, nature,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: okay but her, Sister Bobby, moorehead who had lived In
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: alaska for twenty, years had warned her. REPEATEDLY i read
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: about the missing dancers and the paper a year, before
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: AND i, Said, hey it's dangerous up. Here yeah it, is,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: okay it is very. Dangerous and. Yeah On may twenty,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Fifth sue told her Roommate Robin, price that she had
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: met a man at The Good Times club there we
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: go that ONE i can like a little, better where
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: both the women were. Dancers she said he had approached
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: her while her other, date a, fisherman was in the,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: bathroom offering her three hundred dollars for an hour of nude.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Photography it was a large sum of money and she
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: needed money for her, daughter So sue accepted this. Offer
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: the next, Morning may twenty Sixth sue left her apartment
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: at The Sleeping Lady, apartments the same complex Where Sherry
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: morrow had, lived carrying stamped letters she had promised to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: mail for her. Roommate she took a cab To alice's
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Two Tin cafe On East Fifth. Avenue sound familiar. Anyone
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: she was wearing a white ski jacket with red and black,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: trim blue, jeans silver high hilled, sandals and her distinctive,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: jewelry a gold ring and a gold bandit digital. Watch
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: she was last seen at ten thirty am by a
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: cook at the, cafe leaving with a, tall dark haired.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Man the letters that she was caring never reached their.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Destination When bobby went to pick Up sue for a
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: week and visit to her home In. Chikuckick sue wasn't,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: there and after talking with her Roommate, Robin bobby instantly
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: knew that something was. Wrong her experience with the police
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: went about as good as you would, expect after all
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: we've heard over these last several. EPISODES i, mean is anybody.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Surprised they were quick to Dismiss sue as a drifter
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: who had likely gone To, hawaii But bobby knew that
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: her sister would never abandon her daughter like. That. Never she,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: said it made me mad because they didn't believe me at. First,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: girl we're all mad To we're all with, you. Okay
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: sue's family put up a reward of one thousand dollars
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: for any information for her safe, return but when nothing
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: came of, That bobby's grief transformed into a, harrowing solitary.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Search she spent days on horseback patrolling The Knicks River,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: valley the same desolate expanse where many other victims had
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: and would be discovered. Later she was looking for a
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: grave she prayed she wouldn't. Find just going for a,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: DRIVE i look out the windows and wonder maybe he
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: buried her, there she, Said, okay, GUYS i want you
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: to just slept with, that sit with you for a
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: minute and think about. That her sister is going to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: where she knows other women have been, found and she
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: wants to find her, sister but she's praying not to
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: find a. Grave think about. That that is. Horrific investigators
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: eventually recognized That Sue luna And cherrymorrow were physically carbon
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: copies of one. Another the mo was, identical the same,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: lure the same freaking meeting, spot and the same demographic all, finally, finally, finally.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Okay the tragedy Of Sue luna's disappearance and the subsequent
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: realization that she was part of an escalating serial murder
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: case shattered the illusion that the women were simply drifters
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: moving on to the next. Date the butcher baker was
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: no longer just targeting. Strangers he was operating a systematic,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: count And Su luna was just the next name on his.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: List that is, Heartbreaking, lama right, NOW i am cussing
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: you in my. Head, okay just you, know because By
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: august nineteen eighty, two the avenue was a place of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Ghost while the police continued to categorize the missing as,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Transience the families left behind were beginning to wage their
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: own wars for the. Truth Tamra Tammy, patterson a twenty
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: twenty year old former gymnast and ballet, dancer would become
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: the next name added to the ledger of the lost. Guys,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: oh missing person cases just break my. Heart and what
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: is so even worse about these missing person? Cases knowing
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: that there is a, killer so they're Not they're most
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: likely not just. Missing born On november, twentieth nineteen sixty,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: One tammy was a girl From seattle who had once
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: cautioned her mother about the dangers of, smoking but the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: fast life of the late seventies had a strong. Poll by,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: sixteen she dropped out of high school and drifted into
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: a world of drugs and late. Nights yet despite the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: distance and the, lifestyle she remained anchor to her, Mother
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: judy vickerin by a phone line that hummed with regular
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Updates glad you found the right, Stream. Lady at, Eighteen
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: tammy's talent for dance took a professional. Turn after an
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: amateur night In, seattle she was recruited By Talent west
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: ring A, bell the same agency pipeline that had Brought
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Sue luna to the north and flown To. Alaska, GUYS
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: i just thought of, this AND i have gone through
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: this several. Times do you think the people who worked
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: At Talent west were telling these women that they were
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: going somewhere that other people they sent had gone? Missing
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: do you think they said. Anything i'm going to say.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: No i'm going to say. No her relationship with the
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: state was, Volatile. Okay within days of her first, arrival
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: she called, home begging for a plane fair her. Parents
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: she hated the world she had, found but the cycle
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: of the strip is hard to. BREAK a year, later
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: she was back dancing in The anchorage clubs and telling
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: her Stepfather, gary with a touch of, pride that she
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: was the best dancer. Around, still the shadow was. There
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: she told her parents she wanted out of the topless.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Scene she was looking for an, exit the. Guys the
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: exit she found wasn't one that she had. Planned the
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: last Time Judy figerann spoke to her daughter Was august,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: seventh nineteen eighty. TWO a week, later When judy tried
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: to call, back the line was. Dead the number had been.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Disconnected the mystery was punctuated by a small haunting Details
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: tammy was blind as a bat without her corrective, lenses
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: and she had a new pair on. Order she never
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: picked them up to her. Family this was the smoking.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Gun tammy wouldn't have taken off into The alaskan wilderness
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: unable to. SEE i. Agree tammy's biological, father a former bill,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: collector went To alaska in search of his, daughter knocking
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: on doors and searching the. Clubs what an amazing, Guy
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: judy badgered, investigators who gave her the same tired. Refrain
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: these kids do, this they take. OFF i, Said this
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: isn't the way it is with my, Daughter judy, Recalled.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: JUDY i don't know how you didn't want to fly
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: over there and punch him in the, face BECAUSE i
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: want to for. You one, Afternoon judy thought the nightmare was.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Over she called a club and was told A Tammy
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: peterson was. WORKING a woman's voice answered the, Line, tammy
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: it's your. Mother the voice on the other end exploded into.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Anger you're not my. Mother why are you doing this to?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Me my mom doesn't know Where i'm. At it wasn't Her.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Tammy it was a dancer Named Tammy. Patterson the brief
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: spark of hope was, extinguished replaced by WHAT i can
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: only imagine was a, deeper more hollowed out sense of.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Grief let's just keep sticking the knife into my heart.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Today The vigorin's desperate for answer didn't just wait for the.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Troopers they moved To anchorage He. Rose they hired a private,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: investigator eventually entertaining the hardest possibilities That tammy's heavy cocaine
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: habit had pulled her into, prostitution or that she had
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: moved south out of. SHAME i can accept the possibility
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: of what she was, Into judy, SAID i just want
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: to find. HER i just want to know if she's.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Alive but the reality was simpler and far more. Sinister
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: In august nineteen eighty, Two Robert hansen was still, active still,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: flying and still looking for women who lived in the fast,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: life women the police would assume had just taken. Off
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Tammy petters and was a trained, athlete a daughter who
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: kept in touch with her, mom and a woman who
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: couldn't see the world without her. Glasses she didn't just
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: disappear because she wanted. To she disappeared because she had been.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Silenced oh my, gosh oh that is just. Horrifying the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: long agonizing silence for the family Of cherrymorrow ended On september,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: twelfth nineteen eighty, two but the closure was, bitter and
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: the discovery would expose a shocking disconnect between the grim
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: reality of The alaskan wilderness and the official stance of the.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Law two moose hunters were working in the willow scrub
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: sandbars along The Kanik, river about a mile below The
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Palmer Alternate Highway. Bridge the area was a desolate stretch of,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: terrain accessibly accessible only by a, rough unmintained road or by.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Boat one of the, hunters ironically an off Duty anchorage police,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: officer was making a final sweep near his. Camp as
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: the light began to. Fail he spotted a flash of
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: color in the. BRUSH a dark blue moon boot, nearby
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: half buried in the, silt lay a matching blue nylon ski.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Jacket between, them a bone joint protruded from the. Sand
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: the next, morning the horrific to truth was. Undeniable while
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: one thigh bone had been dug up and picked claim by,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: scavengers another bone remained anchored in the shallow. GRAVE a
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: kneecap was still attached by a flap of. Skin the
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: hunters called The Palmer state, troopers who began the grim
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: task of unearthing the remains of the woman the city
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: had been looking for Since november nineteen eighty. One the
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: autopsy was conducted by Doctor George, lindholm who made a
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: genteral comparison and determined that the body was in fact
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: that Of Sherry. Morrow he determined that the cause of
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: death was a gunshot wound after finding pieces of copper
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: jacketed bullet fragments in the victim's chest, cavity, GUYS i
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: just sope it was quick and, paitless. Okay despite the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: discovery Of sherry's, body a woman who had disappeared after
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: leaving a note about a three hundred dollars an our
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: photo shoot At alice's two ten, cafe the official response
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: was one of staggering. Denial Trooper Lieutenant John shoffer publicly
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: stated that there was nothing to indicate the disappearances of
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: the other dancers were. Related, dude what a hole are
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: you living? IN i really need to? Know. Okay even
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Investigator Maxine, ferrell who had been so close to the,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: files echoed the, sentiment we don't believe that we have
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: a mass murderer out, there some psycho knocking off. Girls
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: but we have to cover every. Possibility. Ma'am excuse, me excuse.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Me could somebody please explain to me how in the
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: fuck they're not connecting the? Dots how how this refusal
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: to see the pattern was a crushing blow to the
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: families Of Roxanne, Eastland Lisa, patrelle And Siu. Luna the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: police were looking at a map with pens scattered cross,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: it yet they insisted the pins were falling at. Random, okay.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Sure they called it naivete or greed that Led sherry
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: to the, sandbar framing her death as an isolated misfortune
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: rather than the work of a calculated. PREDATOR i, mean,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: guys they are. Idiots. Alaska you are. Stupid. OKAY i
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: don't like to use that, word but you're. Stupid you're, stupid.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Okay while the authorities leaned away from the serial killer,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: theory crime stoppers offered a dollar reward for, information she
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: said it denial makes them look bad and hurts their state. Reputation,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: well this makes them look, worse, okay makes them look.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Worse so the investigation was. Stalled they knew where she
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: was last, Seen alice's two ten, cafe and they knew
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: why she was there the photo shoot. Lore but without
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: a name for the man who met her, there the
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: case threatened to go as cold as the glacier fed
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: waters of The. Kinic, however the discovery Of sherrymorrow changed
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: the geography of the investigation. Forever The Nick's river was
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: no longer just a scenic. Waterway it was now a confirmed.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Graveyard whether the police were ready to admit it or,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Not the Butcher baker had left a signature in the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: sand that could no longer be. Ignored To Robert, hansen
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two had been a year of supreme. Confidence
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: he had watched the police dismissed the disappearance of Su.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Luna he had watched them struggle to identify The Bear
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: lady And Eklutna. Annie and he had watched them scratch
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: their heads over a fake bomb while he, continued just
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: bake and bread for the. Community, oh just the sweet little.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: BAKER i, can't, guys AS i, CAN'T i. Can't as
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: the calendar turned to nineteen eighty, three The predator's huberus
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: was at its. Peak he believed the Vast alaskan wilderness
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: was his perfect, accomplice a vault that would never give
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: up its. Secrets the Three springfall was, coming and with
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: it a series of events that would strip away that
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Meek baker mask. Forever, guys he is screwing up the,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: eighties just like he did the, seventies and these stupid
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: people just don't get, it just don't get. It. Now
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: the transition from nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty three
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: marked the end of the police's ability to look. Away but,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: man they, tried oh we know they. Did the coincidence
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: theory was about to be obliterated by a seventeen year
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Old Cindy, paulson who would do what no legal system
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: had managed to, do look the monster in the eye
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: and survive to tell the tell the silence was. Over
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three was the year the hunt turned back
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: on The. HUNTER i, mean, GUYS i just it's been
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: going on so. Long, okay this even a movie doesn't
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: have this, Much that is What i'm sitting here. Thinking
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: i'm like even a serial killer movie fictional fact a
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: stranger than. Fictional. Okay, now as nineteen eighty three, began
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: the Freezing Alaskan winner provided a grim sanctuary for the.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Predator the ground was iron hard and the mountain passes
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: were choked with, snow but the avenue remained. Active it
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: was during this cold stretch In february of nineteen eighty
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: three That Angela Lynde fettern. Disappeared Born september, fourteenth nineteen fifty,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: eight In, Seattle, Washington angela was twenty four years old
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: nearing twenty five when she crossed paths with the Butcher.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: Baker like many before, her she was a young woman
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: who had sought out the opportunities of The northern, frontier
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: only to find herself caught in a cycle of. Silence
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: details About angela's final days are tragically, scarce a hallmark
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: of the Woman hansoon targeted during the winter. Months we
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: know she was a mother of a daughter Named. Christina
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: we know she was from The Pacific, northwest part of
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: the steady migration of young people looking for work In alaska's,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: booming rough edged. Economy, yes now you're, Right lama. Said
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: we know why any true crime doc On hansen don't
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: like to tell the whole. Story yet they don't want
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: to be Like TERRY. A lama and Call alaska out
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: on their. Bullshit, okay When angela vanished In, february her
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: absence was not immediately met with the alarm a met with.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: Alarm let me try that, again. Guys her absence was
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: not immediately met with the alarm it deserved in the
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: eyes of an overwhelmed and often indifferent police. Force another
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: young woman disappearing from the downtown scene was a non. Event, seriously,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: people we're in nineteen eighty three and they are still wearing.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Blinders what the absolute, hell, Guys the fact that this
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: is true should piss everybody. Else everybody should be screaming
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: at their device right now because they're still calling it
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: a non event. Event what in the actual? Fuckery, okay
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: they didn't see the daughter waiting for a phone call
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: that would never. Come they saw a file that lacked
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: a crime. Scene february was a specific time For Robert.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Hansen while His piper Super cub was often grounded by
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: the harshest, weather he remained a master of the local
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Hunt he. Did during these, months he relied more heavily
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: on his vehicle and his intimate knowledge of the anchorage,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: outskirts places where a body could be hidden under the,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: snow not to be discovered until the spring break up months.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Later Angela Lynde fvetterin's story is a sobering reminder of
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: the victims who exist in the periphery of the more famous.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Cases because there was no dramatic escape stories or her
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: high profile discovery scenes associated with her initial, disappearance her
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: name is often whispered rather than. Shouted yet she was a,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: mother a. Daughter she was a twenty four year old
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: woman with a wife In seattle that she was never
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: able to return. To she meant, something, guys police. Officers
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: angela's disappearance at the start of the year set a
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: very dark tone for what was to. Come the predator
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: was no longer pacing. Himself he was operating with a,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: cold mechanical. Frequency as the snow began to melt in
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: the coming, months the secrets he had buried in the,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: winter the fate of women Like angela would slowly begin to,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: surface forcing the city to look at the monster they
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: had allowed to live among. Them Alaska, police this is on, You,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: okay this is on. You march In alaska is a deceptive.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: Month the days are, lengthening but the cold remains. Biting
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: okay and the city is often covered in a layer
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: of breakup slush and. Ice For, hanson this was a
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: transitional hunting. Period he was preparing His Piper Super club
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: for the coming flying, season but he was still prowling
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: the streets in his vehicles because he knows nobody's going
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: to stop. Him as the winter of nineteen eighty three
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: began and it's slow grueling transition into, spring the avenue
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: claimed another, Life dalynne or an Hold. ON i am, sorry,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: GUYS i do not have a photo Of dalnne Sugar
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Renee frey who went, Missing So i'm going to take
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: down that. Photo So daylynn Sugar Renee frey was nineteen
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: years old when she vanished In march nineteen eighty. Three
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: born On june, second nineteen sixty three In, Baltimore, maryland
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: as one of four, Daughters daylynn had lived a life
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: of constant. Movement she had come To alaska by way of,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: highway which, Guys lom AND i talked about this. Earlier
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: why do you go From hawaii To? ALASKA i don't
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: get it out of state In. Hawaii that's just. Me
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: but she was seeking the record opportunity of The. North
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: after spending time on The, islands where her mother and,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Stepfather jean And William hanks. Resided i'm not shaming. Her
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: i'm just saying the cold AND i wouldn't do so.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Well she had been a resident Of alaska for about
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: a year and a, half just long enough to establish a,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: life but not long enough to escape the notice of a.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: Predator dylann was known to her friends and colleagues by
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: the Nickname, sugar working as a waitress in. Downtown in
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: the Downtown anchorage, scene she occupied the middle ground between
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: the transient night live and the service, industry a space
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: That Robert hansen watched with predatory. Intensity at, nineteen she
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: was a close knit part of a close knit family
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: with her Sisters, dawn who lived In, fairbanks And delina And,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: missy who lived In. Hawaii despite the, distance she was
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: a daughter whose absence would be felt. Immediately When sugar
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: stopped showing up for her shifts and stopped calling home
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: In march of nineteen eighty, three the silence was. Deafening
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: her disappearance followed the grimly established. Pattern she was a young,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: woman relatively new to the, city working in the service
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: industry of The Fourth avenue district to the police in
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. Three she was yet another runaway or a
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: transient who had perhaps decided to head back To. Hawaii
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: did they check the flight? Manifest did they? Check i'm
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: asking Because i'm going to just go out on a
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: limb here and say. No they. Didn't they didn't see
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: the violence of her. Exit they only saw the empty
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: space she left. Behind, GUYS i have said this. BEFORE
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: i don't Like alaska and the police erg making me
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: hate them, too. Okay Teresa, watson a twenty two year
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: old woman From, Sacramento, california had found herself living in
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: The Palmer Anchorage, orbit a geographic triangle That Robert hansen
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: knew better than. Anyone On march twenty, fifth nineteen eighty,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: Three teresa prepared for what she believed was a straightforward financial.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Opportunity sound, Familiar she told her. Roommate she was it
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: out to meet a man who had offered her three
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars for just a couple of hours of her. Company, sorry.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Guys When teresa walked out of her home That march,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: evening she wasn't just leaving for a. Date she was
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: stepping into a trap, that little did she, know had
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: been refined over a decade of. Violence she never returned
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: to her, roommate and her name was added to the
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: growing list of women who just didn't come. Home Teresa
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: watson's disappearance occurred in the same month as The Lynn,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: fries making a terrifying escalation and. Frequency hansen was striking
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: almost bi, weekly now suggesting that he no longer feared the.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Law why should he fear the? Law why should? He
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: why should? He he was a man who believed he was.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Invisible the sheer volume of missing women in the first
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: quarter of nineteen eighty three was beginning to create a
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: pressurized environment for The Alaskan state, troopers and it should
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: they should have been feeling the. Heat the coolwinkidink, theory
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: AS i call, coincidence was that the authorities had, leaned
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: but they had leaned on during the discovery Of Sherry.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Maury's morrow's body was becoming impossible to, maintain while the
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: police files On Teresa watson remained frustratingly then at the,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: time her disappearance served as one of the final weights
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: on a scale that was about to. Tip the darkest
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: chapter Of alaska's history was reaching its. Climax finally finally
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: took long. Enough Paula golding was a thirty one year
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: old health nut From arizona who had recently arrived In
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: alaska from the warmth Of, Kona. Hawaii, GUYS i can't
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: help but, Say lama AND i both kind of think
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: this was someone trafficking these women Through. Hawaii so many are,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: coming or was it like a non sactioned agency like
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: that other. ONE i don't. Know it's just awful suspicious
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: that so many women come From hawaii To. ALASKA i don't.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Know paula wasn't was a woman who didn't fit the
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: hard and mold of The Fourth avenue, scene and that
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: vulnerability is likely what Drew Robert hansen's, eye wh is
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: now making the dog's Food sorry for all that. Noise
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: paula was a newcomer to the. Industry she had worked
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: as a secretary In fairbanks before coming down To. Anchorage
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: In april of nineteen eighty. Three inexperienced and reportedly badly
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: in need of, money she walked into The Great Alaskan
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Bush company On Fifth avenue and asked for a. Job Janice,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: shepherd a floor manager at the, club hired her on the,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: spot noting that her good looks and eagerness were, great
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: but the transition wasn't. Easy paula was, modest and for
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: her first week she refused to dance anything but. TOPLESS i,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: remember this is The Bush. Company they want to see it.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: All it took eight days for her to work up
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: the nerve to dance, bottomless a decision driven by the
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: promise of the higher tips she needed to fund her
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: planned return To. Hawaii she didn't Like, alaska and she
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: was already planning her. Exit she wanted to get the
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: hell out of. There. Okay on the very night she
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: finally got up the nerve to dance, nude she met
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: a man at the. Club he offered her two hundred
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: dollars just to meet him for lunch the following. Day
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: it seemed like a safe. Encounter it was a daylight,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: meeting a simple meal in, public and a quick. Payday
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: his only specific request was that she arrived by. Taxi hello,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: eighties thank you for popping in to join this, horror horrific. Tale.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: Okay On, Sunday april twenty, fourth nineteen eighty, Three Paula
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: golding called a cab and left her home for what
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: she thought was a harmless. Date she had been In
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: anchorage for only three. Weeks she told a friend that
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: very day that she was going back To. Hawaii she
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  Speaker 1: never made it to the. Airport Because paula had no
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  Speaker 1: relatives In alaska and it had only been at The
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: Bush company for eight, days her disappearance carried a particular
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: kind of silence to the. System she was the ultimate,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: transient a woman with no, roots a brief employment, history
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  Speaker 1: and a stated desire to leave the State. Alaska people
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: get there and they want to leave. You have you
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: thought about looking into? That they don't like staying? There?
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Okay but To Robert, hanson she was the perfect. Target
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: he had scouted her at the, club tested her boundaries
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: with a low pressure lunch, offer and ensured she had
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: arrived in a way that left no vehicle for the
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: police to. Track paula would become another file in the
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: cabinet that was already overflowing with the names of women
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: who had gone to, lunch gone for a photo, shoot
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: gone for a, date and simply never came. Back by
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the summer of nineteen eighty, three the
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: neon mights Of, Anchorage Fourth avenue cast a long colt
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: shadow over a city in. Denial what had begun is
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: a series of whispered rumors and dressing rooms had transformed
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: in the documented ledger of the, lost from the season
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  Speaker 1: experience of le The fatrell to the tenderhearted nature Of
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  Speaker 1: Soo luna and the quiet aspirations Of Paula, golding a
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: generation of women was being systematically, erased and the police
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: had their heads up their. Ass Okay i added that
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: the statistics were now, undeniable even if the authorities remained
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: hesitant to say the words out. Loud in the three
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: years since nineteen, eighty fourteen, women, yes let me say
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: that louder and move. Closer fourteen, women many of them
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  Speaker 1: carving copies of one another in stature and, circumstances had
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: walked out of clubs like The Wild cherry and The
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  Speaker 1: Great Alaskan Bush company and simply vanished into The subarctic.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Mist for the families left, behind the mothers In, seattle
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: the sisters And, chugek and the daughters waiting for phone.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: Calls the transient label used by the dumbass police was
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: a second. Victimization they knew these women weren't just drifting
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  Speaker 1: To hawaii or the lower forty. Eight they were being. Taken,
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  Speaker 1: NOW i need to stop and Say i'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to forget about our good law enforcement, Guy Officer. Baker
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  Speaker 1: he is not an idiot and he is not. Stupid.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Okay Robert hansen continued to move like it goes through
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: the city with the chilling confidence of a man who
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: used the wilderness as his silent. Partner he was a
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: pillar of the community by day and a hunter by,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: night banking on the idea that as long as his
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: victims remained avenue, girls the law would never look closely
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: at the man behind the bakery. Counter but the ground was,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: softening The Kinek river was, rising and while the police
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: were still debating the coincidence of the missing, dancers a
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: terrified girl in the back of A piper super cab
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: was about to do what years of police files could.
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  Speaker 1: Not she was going to give the ghost a fourth
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: avenue a. Voice. GUYS i hope y'all are as pissed
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: off as, me BECAUSE i am so. MAD i am
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: starting to have a hot flash BECAUSE i am. PISSED
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: i want to know what my ring. Says my heart rate.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Is i've got my phone on silent BECAUSE i can
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: fill it. Going, Okay i'm, pissed but oh my, goodness.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Guys next time On True crime And Wine times Frosen
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: fear The Butcher Baker Butcher baker Of alaska, Series piece
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: Of Shit, Guy we're going to follow the girl who
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: started it All, Okay after her harrowing, Escape Cindy paulsen
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: finds herself a ghost in the, system dismissed by the
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: police as recovered simply because she returned the streets to.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Survive we follow her from the rain slipped blocks Of
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: portland back to the neon shadows Of, anchorage where she
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: seeks sanctuary in The Gentleman's Retreat retreat and finally finds
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: a mentor who teaches her how to fight. Back but
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: While cindy is building her own, fortress the law is
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: finally waking. Up we'll meet the nice, Guy Detective Sergeant
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: Glenn flow as he takes a shit sandwich of an
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: investigation and turns it into a surgical. Strike from the
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: forensic riddles of redress bodies to a jackpot interview with
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: the hunting, body the map Of alaska is about to start.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: Bleeding the Meek baker thinks he's outsmart the, world but
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: the mind hunters at THE fbi are already sketching his,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: soul and a forty eight page affidavit is about to
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: blow his front door wide. Open join us next time
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: For part, nine nineteen eighty, three the beginning of the.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: End finally the. End, now, GUYS i am going to
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Read lama's closing. Thoughts she has put them here for
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: me and even left a little note for you. Guys,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: okay she, said please read because it makes me sad
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: THAT i wasn't able to be on this, episode BECAUSE
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: i have spent so much time thinking and learning about
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: all of the women we covered. Tonight WHEN i started
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: doing a deeper dive into this case and saw the
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: number of victims and then the tragedies of the, SEVENTIES
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: i went straight To terry and, said we have to
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: cover all of these women and tell their. Stories otherwise
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: we're no better than the society and law enforcement that ignored.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: Them it didn't take in much. Convincing tonight's episode isn't
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: just dedicated to humanizing these specific, women but also for
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: all of those out there living the same lifestyle and
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: feeling shamed by our, mind modern. SOCIETY i want them
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: all to know that you are, seen you are cared,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: about and you are equal human. Beings AND i am
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: so sorry that this bias still. Exists, Okay, lama and,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: yeah law enforcement doesn't seem to give a, shit but
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: please be Like Patti, roberts The Jane doe school, Teacher Christy,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: hayes And Cindy, pauson they didn't get the justice they initially.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Deserved that they helped tell the stories of all of
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: these women and what they must have went through as.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: WELL i know society looks down on all these, women
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: that they are the true heroes of the. Story they
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: helped give voices to those who have been. SILENCED i
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: send all of my love and thoughts to the survivor
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: and of the families of these of the. Victims you
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: all deserved so so much, Better AND i am sorry
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: because none of them deserved any of. This none of
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: this should have ever. Happened we chose to tell the
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: whole story because it has to be talked. About we
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: can't continue silencing any more voices and allowing undeserved pats
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: on the. Back shame on, You, Alaska shame on. You,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: ALAMA i thank you so much for bringing all of
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: these stories to me and for wanting to do. This
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: it's one of the REASONS i love, you and it's
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons THAT i asked you to go
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: from producer to being co host and to being a
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: partner with me on this crazy true crime and mine time.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: TRAIN i really appreciate. IT i didn't THINK i would
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: have much to say about this, Case, okay because what
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: HAVEN'T i said the, GUYS i was wrong. Again don't
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: tell double each, that Because i'm never wrong when it
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: comes to. Him but what really sits heavy with me
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: in the stretch of history isn't just the, violence it's
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: the indifference that wrapped itself around. It these weren't invisible.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: Women they were, daughters, mothers, friends people with, routines, voices
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: and they were lives that fucking, Mattered, okay and yet
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: over and over again they were reduced to labels like, drifter,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: lifestyle avenue, girl as if that somehow made their disappearances
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: easier to dismiss or their lives less worthy of. Urgency
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: that kind of thinking didn't just fail, them it protected
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: the man who was hunting. Them just LIKE i, say on.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Midday missing not keeping silence makes you as bad as the.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: Perpetrator alaska Law, enforcement that's, You, Okay that's WHERE i
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: get pissed off again and, again because this wasn't just
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: one predator operating in the. Shadows it was a system
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: that kep looking. Away files were, fragmented reports were, Delayed
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: patterns that were so captain obvious were. IGNORED i bet
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: my six year old grandson could have put that shit together.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: Faster there were enough warning signs to of the entire
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: map Of, anchorage and still no one wanted to say
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: what was happening out. Loud these women deserve to be
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: searched for with the same intensity as anyone. Else, instead
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: they were left to become ghosts long before anyone even
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: admitted they were. Gone once, again we see that law
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: enforcement prefers perfect victims into THAT i, say kiss my. Ass,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: okay there is no such thing as a perfect. Victim
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: why because there's no perfect Human and, guys it's impossible
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: for me not to be. Livid, yes hindsight is a,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: thing but damn you can see the moments where someone
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: could have connected the dots even without a, computer even on,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: paper even just reading a, newspaper, okay and they. Didn't
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: and because of, that the silence didn't just, Continue it got,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: louder swallowing more, names more, lives more futures that never
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: got the chance they. Deserved and, guys he didn't oh the.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Police And hansen didn't just destroy the women's. Lives he
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: destroyed their, families their, children their, mothers their. Friends this
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: is not just a one victim. Scenario he damaged so
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: many people In alaska let. Him these victims and their
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: families were victimized over and over. Again and DID i
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: say how MUCH i Hate Robert hansen In? Alaska BECAUSE
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: i hate? THEM i hate, Them, OKAY i hate. THEM
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: i despise. THEM i Think alaska is a beautiful, place
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: BUT i have taken it off my list to ever
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: want to go there and see. It, Okay i'll just
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: watch the. Pictures i'll just look at people's pictures now
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: before we. Go if you like what you've heard, tonight and,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: guys even if you haven't liked, It i'm going to
• 1:57:24
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• 1:57:27
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• 1:57:31
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• 1:57:35
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• 1:57:45
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• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: True crime And. Time, yes we're telling important, stories we're telling,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: cases we're sharing, things but it's cases like these where
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: there was systematic failures and plain disrespect of the victims
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: needs to be told over and over and. Over, Okay
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: NOW i don't know exactly right now when we'll be.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: Back we will be back On thursday. Night i'm not
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: sure if we're back tomorrow. Night we will, see but
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: we will be back for sure On thursday night For
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: True crime And mine time at eight, o'clock where we
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: are going to continue diving into this Asshole Robert hansen
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: and the god Awful Alaska Police. Department, OKAY i am
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: going to wish mamma all of the good vibes for
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: her to be better and feel better so she can
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: be here with us next. Time to everybody, Else i'm
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: going to ask you to stay. SAFE i am also
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: going to ask you these videos with people you know
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: put it on your social. Media alaska needs to be
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: held accountable and these families deserve us to shout from
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: the mountaintops since no one else did for. Them, okay
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: So i'm gonna ask all to do that for, me
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: AND i will be on tomorrow at noon for Midday.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: Missing that's Noon texas, Time central. Times so join me.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: There you'll get to hear me rant about some are missing,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: people that law enforcement isn't doing their. Job Betty, ROSS
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: i am with. You it was on my bucket. List
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: it is off my bucket. List done off. It, nope
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: no desire, sorry no desire to be. There but, guys
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: take care of yourself and see you. Soon. Bye guys
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: you want to you have any