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X-Men '97 Episode Seven Review, Reaction & Recap "Bright Eyes" Feat Dr. Drea Letamendi & Ron Seoul-Oh · For All Nerds Show

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  secret mission helping rebuild Janosha. So I am joined by two illustrious guests,
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  and first off, let me introduce our one and only doctor do in the
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  house tonight. I don't think Ron, you know, has achieved that one
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  just yet. So doctor Drea, please let the people know where you are
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  from and who you are tonight. Thank you so much for having me Doctor
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  Drea here aka more ethical than Professor X AKA that's a low bomb. Ak
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  true truth facts aka Magneto apologists aka uh, just just processing all the trauma
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  from the last several episodes from the Arkham Sessions, another podcast all about superheroes
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  and comics. So delighted to be here. Thank you for having me,
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  Thank you for joining us. And you know you're the doctor, you're the
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  therapist. So how are you don't want processing the trauma right now? We
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  you know we brought you here to help us. Oh I'm hanging on all
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  right. Well we'll get to that. We also have Ron from POC culture
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  in the building. Please let the people know who you are, yes,
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  sir, then Doctor Gray, nice to see you guys again. Happy to
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  be here. Got to get my akas jubilation, leave me at home,
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  jubilation leading back like way back over there, jubilation left behind not doing anything
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  and AKA your shirt. Ben Magneto is right, Yes, sir, we
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  got to get you one of these, Doctor dre and Ron. You know,
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  which will be back online very soon, so make sure you check it.
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  We'll let you know, and this will be one of the new designs that
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  will be debuting on there. So I want to save you. I asked
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  you before the show who designed the shirt? Courtesy of Ben himself. I
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  love it. I happen to do this one. You know. I will
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  take credit for that. Thank you'll very much. So yeah, y'all be
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  able to get this on for all Nerds dot com very soon, right,
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  you know. I had to let him know period, you're pretty much.
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  And the crazy thing is I had a Magneto was right shirt back when Morrison
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  first dropped that line in the Edgemont comic. I've been on that wave and
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  this was before. Like I wore to the mall one day and my mom
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  and one of her friends, well my mom especially, was like, I
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  don't know if that's the shirt. You wear it to them all if you're
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  you know, looking to meet women and stuff, you know. And I
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  was like, that's how you find the right one. And that's what my
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  mom's friend said, you know. She was like, well, he's just
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  looking for his tribe, you know, and those who know will recognize it.
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  That's how you know, how we How else will you know that it's
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  right? Well, yeah, it was wrong back then, but you know,
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  it worked out eventually, so one can't be mad at how it all
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  works out, because we're good now, we're here. Now we're back on
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  for all nerds to talk about X Men ninety seven, as y'all know from
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  all of our X Men related aka's, and of course you already press play
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  and you know what you're here for. So this is episode number six out
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  of ten. There are now only three left. This episode is titled bright
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  Eyes, which is a reference to from the comics several characters. Cable,
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  of course, is usually referred to as bright Eyes because I Gambit at some
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  points has also been referred to as bright Eyes because of his eyes. And
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  it's just a common phrase that comes up in x mend comments a lot,
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  like my friend and wonderbar, you know, whenever night crawled us around or
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  any bad I don't know. Colloquialisms from various languages. I don't know what
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  you call those that Chris Claremont loved to Pepper speech with, you know,
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  like how rogue always say it's sugar and my Yeah. By the way,
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  then I think we're on episodes episode seven seven is bright. Oh, you're
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  right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're
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  right. I'm my counting is bad. You know, it's eight nine and
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  ten is left, which well might you might have emotionally erased one episode like
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  all of us did it never happened. We're still in denial. Yeah,
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  it's so funny today when I was rewatching this episode, so I was strolling
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  up through Disney Plus and it's like episode five comes up and I was like,
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  fuck, they really did that, you know, like today again and
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  it's like remember it. You know, it's a title, so it's always
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  like you remember when we did that to your soul? So yeah, we're
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  here on episode seven bright eyes, which ain't very bright. Uh, you
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  know, I want to defer to you know, my guests tonight, and
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  you know how did y'all feel about this episode? We're speechless. Yeah,
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  well, you know, I had a number of reactions. Two things come
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  up for me. One is that they packed so much into this episode.
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  After each scene, I thought, Okay, this must be the end of
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  it, and then uh, and then something else would happen, and then
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  another kid and then a new villain showed up. Like so many things happened
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  in this jam packed episode. I was actually impressed because it didn't feel schlocky.
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  It all had meaning. I'm also, this is totally unrelated. I'm
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  watching Showgun. I've not finished the last episode of Showgun, but similar feelings
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  of like, oh my gosh, that was so much. That must be
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  the last scene of this episode, and then there's more and more. So
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  it's it's definitely a testament to the to the writing that they're able to fill
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  so much into this, you know, this short episode. The other thing
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  is certainly what stands out for me as a psychologist is we're seeing some very
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  real reactions, different reactions to the uh traumatic losses that happened over the last
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  actually episode five, right, So we're seeing now how everyone is reacting,
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  responding processing the loss of two characters, but one character in particular, Gambit,
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  and then the loss of thousands of people on Genosha, and that really
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  wasn't you know. It wasn't lighthearted, it wasn't indirect, it was not
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  subtle. It was very It was confronted and and that's that was hard to
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  watch. It was truly emotional. And it's weird to say I enjoyed it
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  because it was so emotional, but it really you know, there was a
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  moment that we'll talk about probably soon that kind of brought me to tears a
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  little bit, But those are my Those are my two big reactions there.
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  There were several moments that almost brought me to tears, but we'll get to
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  them. Wrong. How'd you feel about the whole episode? Yeah, I
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  definitely agree that there's a lot going on. I mean, if there's one
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  word that they can describe this series, it's probably that it's ambitious, much
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  like sho you know, Showgun isn't a very ambitious show as well. And
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  you know, I respect the writers and the creators behind this series too.
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  They've packed it full of everything from references to the past show you know,
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  easter eggs that comic fans will love, and they don't pull any punches,
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  you know. I think, like doctor Haas said, they really well Episode
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  five was traumatic, Like they made sure it was traumatic to all, to
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  the viewers and the characters, and we're dealing with that. I mean,
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  I will say that once. Sometimes I do feel it's a lot that especially
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  if you're not steeped in the lore of like X Men comics and stories that
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  characters like pop in and out and you know, like Emma Frost for example,
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  you know, we see her and now she's like the Diamond and it's
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  like but if you don't really actually know who she is, if you're more
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  of a casual fan or just like an even new viewer, I feel like
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  a lot of the characters who come in and they die or they do this
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  and that it seems a little overwhelming from a storytelling perspective. And like doctor
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  Drea said, there's a new now there's a new villain, Bastion, and
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  he has a whole backstory. We know from comics what his storyline is,
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  which is it's self convoluted, like the X Men comics are pretty convoluted.
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  But I think that's it. It's fun and I definitely enjoy it, but
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  I also can see that it's not something that if I was sharing with like
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  U, my wife, who doesn't read comments or anything like that, I
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  think she would have dropped by now. I think it would have been a
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  little too much for her to be able to like keep up. Oh man,
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  I disagree. I've been watching with someone and they don't you know nothing
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  and beyond you know my what I told them and watching the MCU and all
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  that they've never read an s Men comic and have never seen their most of
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  the original show, and they love it. And I think the ratings on
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  you know, Rotten Tomatoes, et cetera. Would also say that I think
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  I get what you're saying things that it's one of those shows that rewards people
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  who don't I mean, who have read everything you know and have seen everything.
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  But if you haven't, I don't think it has any problem because this
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  show is fucking hitting on the things that it needs to hit on. Like
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  it introduces you know, you the Gambit, it makes you love him in
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  those four episodes. If you've never known Gambit before, you loved him by
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  the time he gets murdered. I definitely, yeah. I wasn't a huge
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  fan of Gambit from the comics or the nine you two show, and something
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  about the way he's portrayed here. Maybe it was really intentional to get us
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  to just be on his side. But I was starting to dig Gambit in
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  ways I did never think, you know, never thought about before when I
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  was in when I was in ninth grade, I had a friend who had
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  Gambit all over their trapper keeper and the bag back, like they were just
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  obsessed, and I just thought, what is the deal with this Gambit character.
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  I was reading different kinds of comics then I was more on the DC
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  side, but still I was just thought, I'm missing I'm missing out.
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  And now it's like I want to call up that person decades later and say,
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  Okay, you were right. Gambit's awesome. Yeah. I hated him,
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  and I've said before on the show, I just was not a fan.
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  I thought he was a fake ass long shot and a bunch of other
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  things. I just did not like him. And you know, him getting
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  near Rogue, who is like my favorite woman in all the world, was
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  like the wackest thing ever for me. And then the way he's been portrayed
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  on this and even in the comics, you know, over the years I've
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  grown to love Rogue and Gambit, and I loved them together, and like
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  he got murdered in the future and the comics recently. We talked about this
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  on a recent episode and it devastated me. And then this episode came along
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  and you know, won't and so here we are at his funeral to start
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  this one, and yeah, yeah, it's kind of like the way the
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  show treated Cyclops in the first few episodes. See right, Cyclops a character
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  that comics, you know, mixed bag. I think a lot of fans
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  don't like Cyclops, who are Yeah, I've always liked Cyclops, but it's
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  been it. His journey in the comics has been up and down. I
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  think lately a little better. But in the first few you know episodes,
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  he was he was awesome, And so I think this show. If there
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  is one thing the show is doing really well to your point Ben about it's
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  hidden, it's that it's the character development and the relationships and all the relational
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  drama. Like that's what bags men have right where. It's like the relationships,
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  the drama, like all the interpersonal the love triangles, the sex.
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  It's a it's a soap opera. This is a novella right here, going
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  on, Yes, hard Well, I always tell people that, like I
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  always tell people if you've never read a comic Chris Claremont, even though it's
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  a little wordy nowadays for you know, people who aren't readers, like that
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  is one of the best intros to comics ever because it is a fucking soap
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  opera throughout its whole run, and people and the great EDG Men runs are
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  always soap operas. Brent Morrison lean so heavy into that, and then Hickman
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  leans super heavy into it. So you know, gilan Ewing, all the
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  great runs of X Men and to me have always been a soap opera.
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  So this is the same thing. And I really before we dive even deeper
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  into an episode, I really want to shout out because we're on the rewatch
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  and we've talked about it, but the voice actors on this series, and
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  you know, the ones who carried over, like the woman who's been doing
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  Rogue since the original series, are just doing some I mean stunning work.
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  Like we talked about this on an earlier episode, how animation has the ability
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  to go from different moods that I don't. It's very difficult to replicate in
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  live action and for people to accept it. That's what Rodamus Prime said in
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  the earlier episode, that it's very difficult because we haven't been trained to accept
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  that, but animation we're trained to do it. And the way Rogue in
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  this episode goes from raging to crying to acceptance, like Drea was talking about
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  all the different levels of grief, is just super impressive work. I mean,
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  just super impressive work. So I just really wanted to shout to my
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  eld and the after playing Kurt in the Nightcrawler, Oh my god, just
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  you know, just doing it, like dropping bars at Gambit's funeral, pure
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  bars. But yeah, the episode does open with Gambit's funeral, and once
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  again, this was yet another moment we talked about this before where I was
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  like, oh, yeah, this Negro is dead like dead and dead dead,
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  like you know, they are doing the funeral, and this makes me
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  think, like you know, people talk about he might be featured as one
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  of the horsemen of Apocalypse. I really hope not, you know, even
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  maybe it's our last second shot at the end of the season. Maybe,
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  but it's been too much other dealing with grief and all that to cheapen it
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  by just bringing him back. You know. I'm sure the writers will do
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  a great job with it if they do, but I just I'm really,
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  you know, stunned and appreciative that they've you know, that he's been not
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  being dead three episodes and you know, it don't look like he coming back
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  any times. So it seemed like a choice to give us that funeral scene.
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  It's putting the body into the ground. I mean, this is kind
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  of a grim conversation we're having, but for this comic character, you know,
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  and a lot of people will say, hey, you know, in
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  the comics, people they come back, they come back differently, they merge
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  with other identities, all this wild stuff happens. And I think you're right.
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  I don't know that they would put this much effort in the finality of
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  his life ending and how it ended to then cheapen it by bringing him back
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  in this season at least. So it seems like this is going to be
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  the end of Gambit for this season at least. And I just really love
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  I love Nightcrawler so much. I've always been a fan of Nightcrawler. It's
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  some of the work that I do, obviously is about traumatic grief and helping
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  people through, you know, steward them through these transitions, these liminal spaces
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  between between life and death and how we respond to traumatic losses. And for
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  me, at least as a viewer, I felt so comforted by Kurt,
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  like he's the person I need to steward me through this sadness. He is
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  that figure. It's a it's almost this sometimes a mythical sometimes a literative figure
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  who helps us go through one stage to another, one phase to another.
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  And and I thought, I thought, having him, uh, you know
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  lead the procession was was really meaningful and very I was just very comforted to
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  see that. Agree, no, agree, He was really great to lead
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  that, especially just the conflict, the contradiction that he is right like the
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  Catholic Devil is like the conflict we all face internally while as we're watching this,
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  but that this show represents. But going back to Gambit, I have
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  to say, I don't know if it's like the comic book nerd in me,
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  but I will be shocked if Gambit doesn't come back. I think probably
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  this season. I think you're right, doctor Greyle, like they'll probably leave
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  it be. But I mean, like like we thought we know Professor Xel
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  isn't dead. We know Magneto wasn't dead. Like, are the this is
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  it? Like, are they really going to do that to Gambit? I
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  be I would heay for it, but I absolutely do not believe it.
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  I can I don't believe it. In comics, people die and come back
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  all the time. And the fact that we've had Gambit by Marvel Studios for
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  like four episodes and they're gonna be, like I bold if they do it,
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  I will absolutely give them the flowers they deserve. But I am saying
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  it right now. I fully expect to see him back in the future.
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  I think back is relative to like for non comic readers, you know,
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  it would be there's the option of him coming back. There's a one of
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  Apocalypse's Horsemen where he becomes Death and he's not really the old Gambit. It's
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  the same thing that happened to Angel and Archangel, and that could be an
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  option. But like you said, Ron, a lot of the people are
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  coming to this from not reading comics, so that's the thing, and the
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  writers knew that going in that they're not you know, it's like when the
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  MCU, they know most of the people watching it are not coming this from
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  reading comics. So when they put a body in the ground and have a
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  funeral episode, that would really be a lot to just walk back even that
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  season. For me, I think it would, like, like Dre said,
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  like I've lost you know people, I mean recently, both of my
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  parents passed in the last five years, so it's it's been like, you
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  know, seeing dealing with these levels of grief has been personal for me and
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  seeing, you know, watching media like this. So to me, it
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  would really cheapen it for them to just bring it back. And I've really,
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  like y'all said, I really because last week we talked about this too,
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  because I was at a black wedding recently and we were talking about how
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  Kurt Wadener would be the perfect person. We also, you know, were
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  debating whether or not Kurt represents blackness, and we've all pretty much agreed on
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  the episode last episode that he does. But him giving the speech at this
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  funeral was perfect because just last week on the show, we were talking about
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  how him giving a speech at a wedding, a black wedding would be perfect,
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  and Kurt's speech was just so full of bars, all the things he
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  was saying about Gambit. You know, Dambit's tell or was his modesty was
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  just oof? You know it it hit and that's what Kurt is there for.
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  And it's also as a keep stating reference throughout this episode. Kurt is
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  part of his family or Rogue. You know, he's basically roads adopted brother.
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  So Gambit's like his adopted brother in law and they have this relationship that
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  stends beyond the X Men. And it was so great to see that reference
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  so many times in this episode. Yeah, it's a true family affair of
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  the show's all. Oh yeah, so many lines. I really love that
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  Wolverine when he brought up a Greece a lonely war. You know, it's
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  like this episode and is so I mean, we've always talked about it,
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  you know that we talked about the voice actors. The writing is just so
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  stellar the way, like you said, Dre it pass so much into this
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  episode. We open with the you know thing with the funeral, it's hard
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  to even talk about it, and then Wolverine, you know, and then
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  all of them reacting to it and Rogue not being there, and then we
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  immediately cut, you know, like a damn smash cut to where's rogue and
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  Rogue is going ham and we get to see General Thunderbolt Thattius. Isn't it
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  Thattius the Thattius Thunderbolt Ross. I think it's Thatius Ross. Yeah, the
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  guy in the bunker, right, yeah, yeah, that's uh. He
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  comes from the Hult comics, as I mean, he references the Hulk in
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  here. He is one of the Yeah, he is the Red Hulk.
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  He's one of the Hult's nemesiss from I mean they won pretty much. He
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  was there at the Creature of the Haulk like. So he is a longtime
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  Marvel character and it's great to see him in this and also great to see
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  him be not racist. But I don't know what you call that, you
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  know, regionists, I guess when he you know, references and she just
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  a smamp mutan and oh yeah yeah yeah, oh little antie South though,
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  right, yeah, very anti South. And also it's just that, you
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  know, it's once again the writers are references other things. You know,
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  what he wanted to say, you know, just a swamp, you know.
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  But you know, of course she is a white woman, so he
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  can't say that's a smam mutane, which is fine for him. In this
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  case, but as a I mean I'm one of the biggest Rogue fans ever.
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  She was my first character that I fell in love with. Like one
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  of the first comic books I ever read is her introduction when she joins the
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  x Men, or I mean, before she joins x Men and Adventel's annual
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  tim when she steals Captain Marvel's powers for the first time and becomes the road
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  we all know love. So I've been in love with her from day one,
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  and to see her come in and whoop that ass on these you know,
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  military white Men was just a beautiful day for me. Yeah, she
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  really reaches a peak here in this episode. There are some choices that she
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  makes that are very bold, and you can tell she's reached a point of
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  beyond anger, and there's something fulfilling about that, especially if you side with
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  her. As I mentioned, there's a number of reactions we see from a
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  number of people. Kurt's reaction going back to that you know, one of
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  almost you know, spiritual acceptance, right, there's something calm about him.
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  She's on the other end of the spectrum. This is full outrage, like
• 23:52
  somebody did something and I'm going to finish this, I'm going to take care
• 23:56
  of this. Enough is enough, and that level of rage there's something sort
• 24:02
  of relatable and cathartic for us as we see this, like we're in the
• 24:04
  observation of this, uh like literal catapulting into this military base to find that
• 24:15
  the person who who wronged her, and it's it's strangely fulfilling, right.
• 24:22
  We know it's wrong to be this need to have this level of anger and
• 24:25
  violence, and at the same time, there's some reason to it, and
• 24:27
  it makes sense see that. That's the and I think that's one of the
• 24:33
  big debates of this episode is tolerance acceptance, you know, versus resistance,
• 24:41
  versus not taking any anymore, versus not you know, sitting down and just
• 24:45
  being like, oh, okay, that's cool. And I think that thing
• 24:48
  like Rogue is going through her grief, and her grief might make her make
• 24:52
  some bad decisions, but at the same time, her grief is coming from
• 24:56
  a place where it's been tested, where they done with Like she says to
• 25:02
  Ross, you know, you killed the good mutans, you killed the ones
• 25:04
  who were down with that. Now you left with us. And that's the
• 25:08
  reality. And that's what we've been talking about on this a lot, and
• 25:11
  I really love how this, you know, really ties in and it's one
• 25:15
  of those things people are like, oh, this is so timely, but
• 25:18
  sadly, it's just always a time, you know, there's always a time
• 25:21
  when in this world we live in where people are being oppressed, Like right
• 25:23
  now in the news we see you know, Israel oppressing Palestinians, and so
• 25:29
  that's become like the big issue. But at all times that we're distressed before
• 25:33
  right now, there's also huge issues in the Congo. I mean every day
• 25:36
  in America, there's huge issues. So worldwide, there's always oppression going on.
• 25:41
  So that this episode and this series has tapping into it isn't that it's
• 25:45
  timey. It's just that it's always happening mm hmmmm h. And it's it's
• 25:48
  an interesting permission to feel to also feel upset, to feel angry, to
• 25:53
  feel helpless, to feel even a sense of numbness to all of it.
• 26:00
  When we had my show had a panel recently with the show showrunners of the
• 26:06
  original X Men animated series, and we brought up the concept of how the
• 26:14
  show lifts up constructs of liberation and that you see a spectrum of positions and
• 26:25
  perspectives and activities from beasts who's kind of like this, this passive citizen wanting
• 26:33
  his due process, believing in the eventual tolerance of mutants, all the way
• 26:38
  to Magneto's really bold and violent fight against the system. You've got to break
• 26:49
  it in order for it to become better, right, And what I love
• 26:53
  about X Men ninety seven is that it continues this, uh, these concepts
• 27:00
  of we're not going to actually tell you the answer, We're not going to
• 27:03
  tell you what's right. We're going to show you very real reactions and responses
• 27:08
  to the marginalization and oppression of a whole group of people and how those groups
• 27:17
  of people or that group of people reacts and responds in different ways in order
• 27:22
  to find their liberation. And we're not going to tell you what's right.
• 27:25
  But it's an excellent exercise for all of us who's also who are also struggling
• 27:29
  with what is the right way to protest? Are we going to gain freedom
• 27:36
  and liberty with one way, with a more active way, with an invasive
• 27:45
  way? You know, how do we get this done? And I think
• 27:47
  this show continues to raise those questions among us and raise the emotions that go
• 27:51
  along with those questions, and it'll be interesting to see how that's resolved going
• 27:56
  forward, because to your doctor, Drea, it's like they're raising these really
• 28:03
  important issues and it is all of them. The X amount are a spectrum
• 28:07
  of how we would all handle these types of oppressions. But historically shows that
• 28:12
  are like from a major studio, right, haven't necessarily handled these very layered
• 28:18
  and complex issues in the best way. I don't blame them. It's like
• 28:22
  this is mass produced, right, this is pop culture for a reason.
• 28:25
  It's hard to handle it delicately and in the way that it deserves. And
• 28:29
  one example that I often think about is the Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
• 28:33
  I didn't necessarily enjoy the way that the story has not been concluded, right.
• 28:37
  We're going to see more in Captain America four and all that, but
• 28:41
  I didn't think I didn't appreciate the way, you know, Sam's journey and
• 28:45
  all of that was necessarily handled in that show. We don't have to get
• 28:48
  into all that, but the point being that it'll be interesting. Two.
• 28:52
  Circling back, Rogue's actions in this episode have to have worldwide consequences, right.
• 29:00
  She is attacking a military highly you know, armed military installation and threatening
• 29:07
  high level military individual that can't go by right, it's all recorded. It's
• 29:12
  her strength is impressive and on display. So that's going to necessitate a reaction
• 29:18
  from you know, humans, a violent reaction as we've seen when in the
• 29:22
  real world and things like that happen. Uh, the of course controversial action
• 29:26
  where she uh you know, drops trask like that has to have consequences and
• 29:32
  so how are they going to handle that? And you know, I have
• 29:36
  to laugh then, you know, you made a great point about like this
• 29:37
  is just a reality. It's not just timely, it's all time. And
• 29:41
  I think that was reflected a little bit when we see that she are like
• 29:45
  talk about Earth and like I think like they called it a ghetto or something,
• 29:49
  you know, they were just like that like lowly world, because that
• 29:52
  is that's where we're at. We're in this era of the world where it's
• 29:56
  like constant conflict and and you know, in humanity to each other. So
• 30:00
  I laughed at that moment in the show. And it's not subtle when when
• 30:06
  they imply that how one x Men is seen in the media and by the
• 30:11
  mainstream you know culture, all x Men are going to be seen that way.
• 30:15
  So you're sort of getting into the the pitfalls of how one one person
• 30:26
  in their own right, feeling how they want to feel, acting how they
• 30:30
  want to act now has to contend with me, Well, you're representing the
• 30:33
  entire group to the entire world, and this is what you want to show.
• 30:37
  And Rogue is at a point where she's like, that doesn't bother me,
• 30:41
  not an issue? Well, like the whole the world is a ghetto.
• 30:47
  You know, there's a whole album by the group War, So that's
• 30:48
  been a thing, like we said, like or like I said, this
• 30:51
  is not timely, it'stad. It just always is happening. That War made
• 30:55
  that album in nineteen seventy. So for the she Lady calls the ghetto right
• 30:57
  now, is not bar I was like, yeah, sure of course it
• 31:02
  is. Also, Dre, you brought up something that just made me think
• 31:06
  because I've rewatched the whole or most of the original X Men we were talking
• 31:08
  about before, and that is wild, Like the journey that they're even doing
• 31:12
  with Beasts, because I remember that was on the original series, right when
• 31:15
  Beast sits in jails like oh no, I'll just sit here and wait for
• 31:18
  all of us me out, I mean, for you know, due process
• 31:21
  to happen. And now to the point where he's like about it seems like
• 31:26
  we're headed down the road for comic readers of the Beasts that we know in
• 31:29
  the current X Men run where he starts to do whatever is necessary to save
• 31:33
  mutant kind and that involves a lot of treacherous and really downlo and dirty shit,
• 31:37
  and it seems like we're headed down that path from the Beast who was
• 31:41
  at one point doing his best to be you know, the key between human
• 31:47
  and mutant relations. Absolutely, he has many moments in the original show where
• 31:52
  he's showing himself as is genuinely interested in due process. In this however,
• 32:01
  ideal it is this idea that they can coexist with non mutants and a willingness
• 32:07
  to use medit even like literal meditation, patience, education, mindfulness, and
• 32:16
  a strong belief that equality will prevail. And it's it's interesting that we kind
• 32:25
  of see that deteriorate in such a like in a long form because you know,
• 32:31
  episodes and seasons later, there's a subtlety to it. He's starting to
• 32:37
  kind of you know, change and transition away from that ideology and he's still
• 32:45
  himself. I love Beasts. Actually, I hope there's actually wanted to see
• 32:52
  more of him in this episode where he's interacting with with Patricia toil Be,
• 33:00
  the journalist who you know who together they have this chemistry or they've had chemistry,
• 33:07
  and in this episode she says a few things that concern him about her,
• 33:14
  her true motives and maybe her true feelings about mutants. And there's just
• 33:20
  these little subtleties that I love in this episode. When she approaches him on
• 33:24
  Genosha, Beast closes the curtain where we have these survivors, the wounded,
• 33:31
  the injured, the folks on their you know, deathbed. He closes the
• 33:36
  curtains so that, you know, I had to think on this, Is
• 33:38
  that so she didn't have to see the you know, the grotesque part of
• 33:45
  this war. Or is it that there's a camera there and he wanted to
• 33:47
  protect these mutants behind the curtain. You know, could be multiple things,
• 33:52
  but just that little subtle move I thought was just so yeah, just so
• 33:59
  nice to see coming from Beast's psychology. This is a character who thinks about
• 34:04
  the well being of everybody. He's such a sensitive, such a highly emotionally
• 34:07
  intelligent mutant and he's got this connection with her and we start, yeah,
• 34:15
  we start to kind of see his sense of just his worldview change a little
• 34:22
  bit after this, around who he can trust and what the right path is.
• 34:27
  Yeah. I love Beasts as well, but I was not down for
• 34:30
  Tricia's shit in this episode. I thought you were going purely on that bullshit
• 34:35
  like that, you know, let's be patient and shut out shit like,
• 34:37
  bitch, you are standing in a mass grave and you know the time for
• 34:42
  patients is far from over. I'm sorry, you know, no, So
• 34:46
  I was not down for her at all in this one. She it was
• 34:51
  that, like you said, there's a it's like the episode like they're not
• 34:55
  trying to make you draw a line or you know, say which side is
• 34:59
  right. But at the same time, it's like they are standing again in
• 35:02
  a mass grave and she walks up and it's like, hey, maybe you
• 35:06
  know, chill out on the revenge tip or you know, even on the
• 35:08
  protest, and you know, just sit there and be quiet. You know.
• 35:12
  I don't know, man, I don't know fair fair Yeah, yeah,
• 35:17
  and I think she represents like somebody who could have their heart in the
• 35:22
  right place. I mean, I think we saw at that moment of genuine,
• 35:24
  like physical affection towards beasts, right, And there's the moment to Drea's
• 35:30
  point, like beast pulls a curtain on the injured. And then also when
• 35:34
  she comes she tells the camera person like to go away, like she's not
• 35:37
  trying to make a spectacle out of it. And so I appreciated that.
• 35:40
  But yeah, even despite the fact that she has the best intentions and a
• 35:45
  genuine affection for beasts, like, her perspective is still not necessarily on point
• 35:52
  and fully empathizing and really understanding what it's like to be a mutant in that,
• 35:55
  like you said, Ben Graveyard, like a truly catastrophic Evan. She's
• 36:01
  still thinking, like you said, be patient, be do the right thing.
• 36:06
  Bitch people. She said, she no, like I said, I
• 36:13
  love beasts. I love Trish, but it just was not the time for
• 36:16
  it. And she was the type of character of me right now who would
• 36:20
  have voted for Obama three times, Like you know, she's very And I
• 36:23
  hate when people dog on liberals and they're like, oh liberals, I'm like,
• 36:27
  well, what's the alternative? You know, A conservatives ain't much better.
• 36:30
  But in this case, I really do feel that where it's like she
• 36:34
  has that position of what most modern day liberals would be like, oh no,
• 36:37
  you know, just wait and chill. And we distressed this before on
• 36:42
  the series. That like, because I've been distressing this series and that's why
• 36:45
  I love about it. I've been talking about the mad People and just not
• 36:49
  it related to Edgeman themes. And I was like, well, you take
• 36:52
  a case of someone like that Turner, and when that Turner, you know,
• 36:54
  did his vote, he murdered. Mad people slaughtered him in the middle
• 37:00
  of the night. You know, it's a gruesome. But Nat Turner was
• 37:04
  revolting against slavery. You know, what were his options sit there and play
• 37:12
  nice. This is what Beast is really, you know, opening up to
• 37:19
  is is thinking to himself, maybe processing his his own decisions. Right.
• 37:25
  I've I've done the city, I've sat in jail passively, I've done the
• 37:32
  I've waited for due process, I've you know, collected and healed my my
• 37:37
  community members. I'm waiting for my justice and it's not coming. And for
• 37:45
  him to to look around at essentially what you said, this graveyard, this
• 37:52
  this massive trauma site and think you know, I can't. I something's got
• 37:58
  to change. I can't tolerate this kind of loss anymore. At what point
• 38:02
  do I, you know, at what point do I need to change my
• 38:06
  worldview for someone as you know, experienced as Beast is. I think that's
• 38:14
  what we're meant to see. My guess is that we are meant to see
• 38:19
  that shift in him. And again there's not going to give us the answers,
• 38:22
  but just kind of see him dismiss this woman who is essentially being like,
• 38:27
  you know, calm down, like maybe don't be so loud. You
• 38:30
  know, it's we all know that person, right, Yeah, but you
• 38:36
  know, maybe if you could do this quietly, it's no, this is
• 38:40
  this is not a quiet This is not a quiet war mhmm. Yeah.
• 38:49
  That that's how I bead a second for that one. But also I really
• 38:52
  love, like you said, Beasts is just such a great character and so
• 38:55
  many great lines in the episode. I really love him referencing mister famous quote.
• 39:01
  You know, look for the helpers. We've talked about that many times
• 39:05
  on this shows that oftentimes in film and media, whenever you see disasters,
• 39:09
  you know, it's like no one wants to help it. Turns on the
• 39:13
  riots, et cetera. And that's just not numerically the case, historically the
• 39:16
  case. That's not the case in every disaster. There's more people helping than
• 39:21
  there are harming, and it's just not shown the media because that's not exciting.
• 39:24
  So that was very dope for me. And mister Rogers had said that
• 39:29
  quote way before nine to eleven, but it was he definitely referenced it again
• 39:32
  in nine to eleven, and so it shows that that's the level of tragedy
• 39:37
  to the mutants in the world is dealing with in this episode, Like we
• 39:40
  see this in this episode, and I thought that was such a great moment
• 39:44
  when later on, when Rogue is going through it, we see the reactions
• 39:49
  to this tragedy in Genosha are hitting people who don't even live there, Like
• 39:52
  people are having memorials to people who they lost to you know, probably had
• 39:55
  traveled to Genosha for a better life, you know, to realize this dream
• 40:00
  to be calm and quiet, and that's the fun shit. You know.
• 40:05
  It's like Christ is like, yo, be calm and quiet, and that's
• 40:07
  what they were doing. You know, they're buying ten dollars apples over there,
• 40:10
  they were doing their best to you know, like live away from shit.
• 40:15
  They dealing with ten dollars apples again, just so they don't have to
• 40:19
  deal with this hate. And then you know, you still come over there
• 40:22
  and murder them in mass so the yeah, I'm I'm past that calm and
• 40:27
  quiet. You know, I'm a spectrician. You know, sorry for calling
• 40:30
  you oat your name earlier, but nah, man, you wil you're out
• 40:32
  here, you out here. Why that's the story of the X Men,
• 40:39
  right in comics, it's the constant struggle of how do we survive? Do
• 40:44
  we exist? Do we dominate? Do we have Genosha, do we have
• 40:47
  krakoa Arocco? Like, yeah, of course we know there can never be
• 40:52
  a solution because the story is ongoing. But also that's the constant struggle,
• 40:57
  that's the human condition, is that you know, there will all be the
• 41:00
  oppressors and there is no method or form that is acceptable that will allow us.
• 41:05
  And you know, as an Asian American, that's something that my community
• 41:07
  always struggles with, right being very white adjacent and like being the model minority
• 41:14
  and like hey, let's let's behave, let's be appropriate, Let's be the
• 41:16
  ones who don't make you know too much noise, and then they'll accept us
• 41:21
  and despite all the history to the to the contrary, but that that is
• 41:28
  the story of the X Men. And so again I'm very interested to see
• 41:30
  how this will be handled going forward, because we need to see how Professor
• 41:36
  X and Magneto and the team as it splinters. Inevitably there will be splintering
• 41:40
  and changing sides and all the drama that we've talked about, Like, it's
• 41:45
  going to be very interesting to see how all that plays out. Janosha is
• 41:50
  is that kind of like study of a libration movement? Because you know,
• 41:54
  I don't know if is it Leech. It's one of these Sadly, it's
• 41:58
  one of these characters who thought they had found the experience of liberation and even
• 42:06
  your place of sanctuary is violated and you know, and and made into a
• 42:13
  war war zone. And I don't know if we're meant that in one of
• 42:16
  those moments of kind of like memorializing some of the fallen X Men, there's
• 42:22
  a picture of Leech. Yo. They did not need to do that.
• 42:29
  It really stuck it to us, like, yeah, all right, this
• 42:32
  is like as a commic reader, Leech is another one of my characters,
• 42:37
  dog Like. I think the very the very first issue of X Men I
• 42:42
  ever read is the issue It's a famous cover where Wolverine is holding Energizer,
• 42:46
  one of the members of Powerpack, a maybe eight year old girl up and
• 42:51
  he's got his claws out and the rest of the Powerpack or flying at her,
• 42:54
  trying to save her, and it's you know, I picked that up,
• 42:57
  like what the fuck is this about? You know, and so I
• 43:00
  loved it. And Leech is heavily featured on that issue, and then I
• 43:02
  became a big fan of him, and he's all over Powerpack and I love
• 43:07
  that series. Shout out to Louis Simonson, one of the great architects of
• 43:10
  the X Men, who doesn't get enough shout out and love. So I'm
• 43:14
  giving it to her a lot lately. And you know, I love Leech.
• 43:19
  And they really doubled down, like, no, this man is double
• 43:22
  dead, nigga, like you thought getting back. Leech is not coming back.
• 43:27
  Let's just say that, that's what I mean. There's no hopeful Leech.
• 43:29
  There's no like, oh who you gonna you know, like Apocalypse is
• 43:32
  not looking at that man and being like, let me make you a horseman.
• 43:35
  No, and Leech did nothing to any like Leech has not done a
• 43:39
  thing to anybody. Maybe stolen apple one time, maybe, Yeah, I
• 43:46
  mean they were ten dollars, you know, bad to that and yeah,
• 43:50
  so they and Calisto, like these are characters. I love Calisto, I
• 43:53
  love Carlisto, like you know, like these are my first issues. Oh
• 43:59
  no, they had more world of her ass too. She was double dead
• 44:01
  too, And I mean that's a story for the more. The Morlocks who
• 44:05
  already said we have to literally live underground because we can't pass. And for
• 44:10
  them for their whole people to be decimated like this, this is tough,
• 44:15
  and this ain't the first time, right, Like they referenced the muteon massacre,
• 44:20
  I'm not sure that the Mute massacre actually happened in the cartoon like that
• 44:24
  the Morlocks did slaughtered and have to leave their tunnel and then go to Genosha.
• 44:30
  I don't know. If they did that in original series, that'd be
• 44:31
  pretty I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember that
• 44:35
  either, but you know, and it's still cannon for the comments whatever,
• 44:37
  And they're in Genosha. So they left the tunnels in New York, so
• 44:40
  there was a reason for them to leave the tunnels in New York. So
• 44:44
  they probably got slaughtered more than once. And damn, I just said that.
• 44:51
  Rpots on some bright spots. Amelia Void Vaught I think I'm not sure
• 44:58
  how to pronounce our last name shows up in this episode. She's in Genosha.
• 45:01
  She was the doctor who we see turned from vapor and she was a
• 45:06
  member of the Alkalites, which is this one of Madnito's what's the word,
• 45:13
  henchman not even cronies. Yeah, cronies that think they are goons. Yeah,
• 45:20
  goons, that's what they are, some of the Manito's goons. But
• 45:23
  before that, in Commons history, she helped form the x Men with Professor
• 45:28
  and dated him, you know, for a time. But because he's a
• 45:31
  trifle ass, you know, may you know, that didn't go right.
• 45:35
  So there she is, you know, the shout out, and she's not
• 45:39
  holding it together. I mean, would you no, Well, she's I
• 45:44
  mean, she makes a really good point. I actually liked her role here.
• 45:47
  She loved it. She's essentially saying, like, even for the folks
• 45:52
  helping, like the the nurses and the health providers, and these folks doing
• 45:59
  this first response, the first tier after a critical event like this. She
• 46:06
  makes a comment about whether even surviving is worth it given the amount of pain
• 46:14
  that she's in, the amount of emotional pain that she's in, and I
• 46:16
  thought that, you know, again, this is an animated show, and
• 46:20
  they're really telling us all the different pieces and parts of what happens after a
• 46:25
  trauma like this. Somebody had mentioned to me that this this Genosha event sort
• 46:32
  of divides the series or sorry, the season into two parts, and it's
• 46:36
  almost like a nine to eleven event, and after that event, you will
• 46:40
  see the you know echos, the aftermath, what the echo trauma that happens
• 46:47
  following this big global you know trauma, and we may never be able to
• 46:55
  mentally kind of get back to where we were in the in the first half
• 46:59
  of the season. So it's meant to pivot us into the different storytelling,
• 47:06
  but it did so in such a very real way with all these different perspectives.
• 47:14
  Ron Ron said, he'll be right back, Okay, Well then on
• 47:19
  that note, Yeah, No, what you were saying is something I really
• 47:22
  definitely fully appreciated understanding. I think this like, because I'm at a different
• 47:28
  stage my grief, even though grief is one of those things where you go
• 47:30
  back and forth through all these different stages, and I've really been there,
• 47:35
  like for a time after my mother passed and then my father passed last year.
• 47:40
  For a time after both of them, it was just I could not
• 47:44
  see a point in going on, Like I just felt like, what is
• 47:47
  the point in doing anything? When I felt like a lot of my life
• 47:52
  I was always doing things to make them happy or make them proud, And
• 47:54
  then it was just like, what's the point, you know, I don't
• 47:58
  have my mom, who I talked to all the time. I'm like,
• 48:00
  it just felt weird, like it was like why do anything? And it
• 48:04
  was a real struggle for me to do anything for those years and throughout the
• 48:08
  years, and so that's something that I really I just really appreciate the show
• 48:14
  for what it's doing, for how grown it is, And I've talked about
• 48:17
  that on Twitter and stuff, is like I really hope that everyone, you
• 48:22
  know, not just adults who grew up on the first series, but kids
• 48:25
  as well, are watching this because it really is doing the work and showing
• 48:30
  these themes in a relatable way that I feel like anyone can digest and it's
• 48:37
  not too adult where they can't watch it, so maybe older kids maybe,
• 48:40
  maybe not. I mean I was watching Robotech Man at like seven, so
• 48:45
  you know, I saw Roy Foker get shot and then come home to his
• 48:49
  woman and die in front of her, so you know, I don't know,
• 48:52
  you know, and a Kira followed me at like a that is intent
• 48:59
  and is it kind of a different animal. But yeah, but Roy Foker,
• 49:02
  I mean, Robotech was like and then Robotech had you know, Roy
• 49:06
  Foker's in an interracial relationship. So Roy Foker was fucking me up as a
• 49:10
  kid and then he gets killed. You know, I love Roy like you
• 49:14
  know, and then it's like, no, this is life. All people
• 49:16
  you love will die. And well what you what you just said is is
• 49:21
  so is so important when it comes to media engagement. You know, people
• 49:27
  wonder if you look at your Captain America shield and the comics behind you,
• 49:31
  and people may wonder, like, what is what is really the purpose of
• 49:37
  all of this this connection that we have, and what you just said is
• 49:43
  really where it's at. There's such a meaningful and available emotional connection to these
• 49:52
  characters into these stories, and when we engage with media like this, it
• 49:57
  does help us heal, It gives us a nar arrative, it gives us
• 50:00
  language, it gives us some even emotional modeling, and all of us are
• 50:06
  going to find someone in there. Maybe it's Beast, maybe it's Nightcrawler,
• 50:10
  you know, maybe it's Jean Gray, maybe it's you know, one of
• 50:15
  these. Uh. Maybe we feel like we're kind of in the background there,
• 50:22
  but we are what what's the guy that can multiple multiply Jamie maddress the
• 50:30
  multiple man? Lots lots of him there. But it helps us to kind
• 50:35
  of wrestle with the uncertainty and the unexplained, and it just, you know,
• 50:42
  it gives us that moment to just process that. And that's really sophisticated
• 50:45
  stuff. Is it for children? I think that it really depends on what
• 50:52
  they're seeing. Some of the stuff they may not may not even pick up
• 50:54
  on, and some of the stuff when they're older, they'll realize, oh,
• 50:59
  that's what that meant. Why do you close that curtain? Now?
• 51:00
  I get it, Now I get what he was trying to do. Yep,
• 51:05
  No, definitely, yeah, I don't know that that is a debate.
• 51:09
  Like I definitely grew up watching a lot of things you know that probably
• 51:14
  maybe I shouldn't have seen, but at the same time it was just it
• 51:16
  was informative and it did help me. And then, like you say,
• 51:20
  these things, seeing stuff like this, like the people have been referencing the
• 51:24
  post nightclub shooting nine to eleven, all those different things. But at the
• 51:29
  same time, it's also so great about very personal themes like I was talking
• 51:34
  about, like the loss of my parents. I can definitely relate to this
• 51:37
  because it's that loss of one person. It's like the loss of leech like
• 51:40
  people. It goes back to even what the Joker said in the Dark Night.
• 51:44
  You know, when it's a bunch of people, you're like, oh,
• 51:46
  whatever, But when it's someone, you know, that's when it hits
• 51:50
  you. And so that's why I really love this show and how it's you
• 51:52
  know, showing all these different facets of it and all these different sides.
• 51:57
  And then it also has what Ron is talking about, like all these different
• 52:00
  sides to resistance, and it relates to all these different areas where it's all
• 52:06
  these different people like you know, Ron, as you said, as an
• 52:08
  Asian American and me as a Black American. It's like we have different you
• 52:12
  know, histories and cultures and things of that nature. But we also have
• 52:15
  things we relate to on the same thing, and we are all being pretty
• 52:20
  much oppressed by this same you know, toxic whiteness and this culture that we
• 52:24
  all exist in. Mm hmm, this fight for power. It's something that
• 52:31
  you said also lifts up the concepts of like someone's identity development as they work
• 52:38
  with being a mutant. And this is all through the lens the perspectives and
• 52:45
  the friendships that Ju really has, and we see even in this jam packed
• 52:49
  episode, there's also a scene in here about oh gosh, what's her boyfriend's
• 52:54
  name? Did you Roberto? Robert? Yes. He essentially comes out to
• 53:00
  his mom and initially mom is like, oh, we knew, Oh honey,
• 53:07
  we knew, we knew this whole time. We're just waiting on you
• 53:10
  to be ready, and you you have a sigh of relief. And then
• 53:14
  she says, yeah, and now, now how do we keep this private?
• 53:20
  No one's got to know about this, and you're just like, god,
• 53:22
  damn it, like we thought. I asked so many questions about that
• 53:30
  scene. Are there questions? I mean, it's pretty no. My My
• 53:35
  big question is like, how the hell does she think that they gonna keep
• 53:39
  it quiet. When this man walked in there with a member of the X
• 53:44
  Men in Focasta with her rings that say, I mean her ear rings and
• 53:47
  say Jubilee on them, and she said, you're the you're one of the
• 53:51
  X Men. She knew, she knew. She's like, I recognize you
• 53:55
  well. I mean, but you make a good point, because how are
• 53:58
  we going to keep this private? I don't know, violence like money,
• 54:05
  I guess, I mean, right right, this is a very powerful figure.
• 54:10
  I'm not sure how much we'll get into it in the next few episodes.
• 54:14
  His family comes from notoriety and wealth, and they are very well recognized.
• 54:20
  There's no way that this mom is going to let her child, you
• 54:24
  know, mess with their reputation. So this is such a powerful scene and
• 54:34
  you know, again there's no subtlety to it. The family dynamic is right
• 54:37
  in our face, and we see the reactions of these young folks so so
• 54:44
  proud and boldly, you know, coming forward with our identities and you know,
• 54:51
  being authentic and who they are and saying, you know, all we
• 54:53
  need is your acceptance. And it's like a double edged sword. You know,
• 54:58
  you'll get my acknowledgment but you won't have my acceptance. And then also
• 55:02
  while it's like that's something about the show that we talked about before as well
• 55:07
  that I don't want to say balthers me. But sometimes I'm like, damn,
• 55:10
  this shit is heavy handed. But then I also might, well,
• 55:13
  damn, this show needs to be heavy handed because people just don't get it.
• 55:16
  And then even while it's being heavy handed, like you said, this
• 55:20
  scene is very direct, very upfront. The family dynamics are very established.
• 55:23
  It's also subtle in its way, like the butlers tell them non alcoholic dreams
• 55:30
  will be served for you. No alcoholic sprintzers for you kids. Your mom's
• 55:35
  having wine in the afternoon. Though soon soon as she walks in she guzzles
• 55:39
  that joint, you know, I mean as soon as they walk in,
• 55:43
  she guzzles their glass of wine, then lays down the law to them.
• 55:46
  And then it's like sprintzerr for you little kids, you know, because I
• 55:51
  just told you, as an adult, what's gonna happen here? Yeah,
• 55:54
  yeah, so so interesting. Yeah, she's probably self medic. You think,
• 56:04
  well, she's got this like high rise, you know, they have
• 56:06
  this high rise home or condo or whatever, and she's surrounded by these windows.
• 56:10
  It's clearly not near five o'clock. It's like eleven am. Yeah,
• 56:16
  early in the morning, and she is getting faded and drake that whole glass,
• 56:21
  and the services are like afternoon wine, Like it's no problem. You
• 56:24
  know, this is the daily operation around here. So m m no.
• 56:29
  Definitely self medicated, Definitely drama with the father who in the comments is usually
• 56:34
  a bit of a strum bag. So yeah, you know I like that.
• 56:38
  I like this this one. You know, again I mentioned it's a
• 56:42
  soap opera. This is one storyline that's going to take us through the drama
• 56:46
  of this family. But you know, surrounding this conflict is again a reminder
• 56:53
  of what it's like to be a mutant in this world. This is a
• 57:00
  character who can actually pass, or at least now can work through showing foregrounding
• 57:07
  different characteristics and features that don't tell people right away. You know, it's
• 57:13
  not like Beast. I talk about this a lot on the Arkham Sessions,
• 57:15
  Like you've got someone like Beast who's not even wearing a shirt because he's like,
• 57:21
  why why I'm a blue furry, Like, you know, I'm four
• 57:27
  hundred and something pounds, probably I'm a monster by all appearances. Nothing you
• 57:31
  can yeah, nothing you can put on him to deny that. And then
• 57:37
  you've got other characters. You know, you have characters like Morph who can
• 57:44
  actually manipulate their physical features, and then you have characters who can foreground certain
• 57:51
  features and therefore navigate through this very segmented, oppressed system in ways that you
• 57:59
  know, Look, he actually is privileged. This is a kid that comes
• 58:02
  from a privileged family. And he's like, I'm not going to give that
• 58:05
  up. That's why would I do that? Why would I give up this
• 58:09
  level of benefits to then identify with a group of people that are being persecuted.
• 58:16
  And it's again for us, an exercise in yeah, what you know?
• 58:22
  What about that? There are people who can do that? And are
• 58:25
  they in service to their peers, to their community members? How can they
• 58:29
  be in service to their community members? And I think that's you know,
• 58:35
  another part of the of the narrative that helps us think about some of these
• 58:40
  some of these themes in our lives now. It really is, And I
• 58:46
  think that's it's something that they the showrunner even had to defend sun Spot being
• 58:53
  so light stand on this show, and that's something that has been an issue
• 58:58
  with Sunst's character throughout the comments throughout his history is that he's consistently been portrayed
• 59:04
  lighter and lighter since he was first introduced, where he was definitely an Afro
• 59:07
  Latino, you know, there was no doubt about it, and then as
• 59:12
  he gets lighter and lighter, it's been an issue. But I think that's
• 59:15
  works, especially in this series, as you were talking about, because Sunspot
• 59:19
  is the character who can pass, and so it made to like a case
• 59:22
  for a representation of a lot of things, and I think one of them
• 59:25
  is like queerness, where it's like there are people who can just you know,
• 59:30
  be like, now, okay, I don't have to, you know,
• 59:32
  represent my queerness to the world, and I can just draw about my
• 59:36
  day, you know, and that's what his mom is asking him to do,
• 59:39
  while there are people like Beasts who Beasts more represents someone like we I
• 59:44
  talked about this before, like I'm one of the people who were like,
• 59:46
  when it comes to white people with dreads, you know, they can just
• 59:49
  cut their dreads off and have a normal, you know, a white person
• 59:52
  life, while me, if I cut my dreads off, I'm still a
• 59:53
  black person and that's where Beasts is at on the spectrum. Beasta is like,
• 59:58
  no matter what I do, I'm still you know, while his mom,
• 1:00:01
  well, sunspots mom was like, you don't have to be Sunspot,
• 1:00:05
  you know, and Sunspot is doing to probably lean away where he's like,
• 1:00:07
  no, I have to be Sunspot. This is who I am, you
• 1:00:10
  know, and you're wrong, and my friends over here are representing that.
• 1:00:15
  Well, at least I hope he's going to find his way. Yeah,
• 1:00:19
  that's that's a different journey. You never know, because Sunspot's down both ways
• 1:00:24
  into comments as well. So yeah, well, and you know, again
• 1:00:30
  that represents a segment of mutants that have that choice, and so it really
• 1:00:37
  layers on really important concepts like you meet one mutant, you haven't met them
• 1:00:40
  all, you know, like you you cannot generalize and stereotype based on the
• 1:00:45
  one mutant that you know or have met. And that's what this third character
• 1:00:51
  in the story is always the media, and since the comics, right,
• 1:00:54
  media has been this other force of the system that's in a lot of ways
• 1:01:04
  villainizing X men mutants rather and showing the worst of the worst, you know,
• 1:01:10
  Saber Tooth ransacking the city and going through and creating chaos and destroying buildings
• 1:01:16
  and breaking windows and you know, breaking into establishments. That's the mutant that
• 1:01:22
  the news is going to show. And so then people develop these ideas and
• 1:01:29
  these you know, widely generalized concepts about mutants that are just false. But
• 1:01:37
  that's what the media wants to do, right, And I think that it's
• 1:01:42
  you know, we see that in this episode too. There's always the constant
• 1:01:45
  lens of the constant figure of the media trying to shape shift what the story
• 1:01:52
  is. And that's a very sophisticated idea. I don't know if a lot
• 1:01:55
  of kids are going to pick up on that, but I think a lot
• 1:01:58
  of adults pick up on there's a camera showing us the war zone or the
• 1:02:02
  conflict or you know, these these groups of people are, how are they
• 1:02:07
  going to tell this story? Well, I think that also it comes up.
• 1:02:13
  I think, like we said, there's a lot of things that you
• 1:02:15
  know, where a kid watching this isn't going to get it, but when
• 1:02:16
  an adult watches it, they're going to get it. Like the conversation between
• 1:02:21
  Cyclops and the president is such a reflection of you know, what we see
• 1:02:24
  every day where a president and We're in an election year this year, so
• 1:02:29
  it really hits home where a president is going to do or say whatever they
• 1:02:31
  can to stay elected, and their excuse is going to be, well,
• 1:02:35
  I'm the better of two evils, and Stot's like, look, you're both
• 1:02:38
  evil to me, you know, And it just yet another classic line in
• 1:02:43
  this show is my man talked about the opted to the situation when he's talking
• 1:02:45
  to a man who shoots opted beings out of his eyes. Just pure classic
• 1:02:51
  right there. So you know, it's all reflected, and like you said,
• 1:02:53
  there's a lot of things that the kids won't get that the adults will
• 1:02:58
  get. And I think that's intentional obviously, and I think it works in
• 1:03:01
  this show's favor and it's just one of the strengths of it. And like
• 1:03:06
  you said, we were talking about this before the episode started, where I
• 1:03:08
  was like, I'm not the biggest fan of the original series, but I
• 1:03:13
  think it's more the limitations that the original series had, because as we're talking
• 1:03:16
  about it, they had Beasts going through those things, you know, and
• 1:03:21
  I remember watching it, I was a beast is such a sellout? You
• 1:03:23
  know. At the beginning of the show, I'm like, what this clown
• 1:03:27
  talk about due process and shit, you think you are a blue beast,
• 1:03:30
  Like, ain't no due process for you, ever, dog, ain't no
• 1:03:34
  due process for me? And I'm at least human looking like fam you got
• 1:03:37
  no chance. So but now you know, seeing his growth and seeing the
• 1:03:43
  subtleties of all that is really nice, and knowing what they were working with
• 1:03:47
  them, even showing that, like you said, they were showing all the
• 1:03:51
  different sides. Here's Beast, a dude who obviously don't look human, but
• 1:03:54
  he's trying his best to make it work. And you know, they even
• 1:03:59
  tried to break it out. Magneto busted through that prison and Beast was like,
• 1:04:03
  that's what I was like, now I'm done with there's something and I
• 1:04:13
  had a different reaction. I think for me, there there was something quite
• 1:04:18
  resilient about that. But again it's because of the strong held belief, this
• 1:04:25
  willingness to believe in a system that is just, and because Beast is so
• 1:04:30
  well read and so intelligent and has studied so well, there's this part of
• 1:04:34
  his brain that believes that, you know, at some point we can reach
• 1:04:39
  this, Like you know, I'm about to be on trial for something that
• 1:04:43
  that I'm not responsible for there there's a sense of for me at least,
• 1:04:50
  this relatable sense of like, if I just educate myself and and access all
• 1:04:57
  the information that white folks have, if I just get the letters after my
• 1:05:00
  name, if I just gain access to the spaces and buildings and positions,
• 1:05:05
  get me in the room, you know, like, I'll make them believe
• 1:05:10
  me. And you know, Beast is going through that in the beginning of
• 1:05:15
  his experience with in these phases of the mutant liberation movement, and for that
• 1:05:24
  I was really rooting for him, and this was commendable to some degree,
• 1:05:31
  right, and then we see him actually in the original series fall and fall
• 1:05:36
  and fail and be wronged despite his good intentions and his goodwill in contrast to
• 1:05:45
  a person like Magneto, who takes matters into his own hands and who uses
• 1:05:49
  his power to gain access to the things that I just described, Right,
• 1:05:55
  So it's you know, you know again, they're all they're all finding these
• 1:05:59
  different ways to reach the point, the simple, simple level, the simple
• 1:06:04
  wish to exist. And that is an ongoing, as you said, an
• 1:06:12
  ongoing story that we continue to tune in for because we are also looking for
• 1:06:15
  those answers no, And it's all those things that you just talked about,
• 1:06:20
  what we've talked about before, Like I talked about how last episode was really
• 1:06:25
  a big episode about frusts and Storm just try and see, you know,
• 1:06:29
  what it would be like to be white, you know, and maybe we
• 1:06:31
  can just give this all up and give up this struggle and realizing that that's
• 1:06:35
  not their life and that's not how it is. But both of them havn't
• 1:06:39
  been on the front lines through all of this, makes it relatable and in
• 1:06:43
  front of those feelings that you know pretty much about on the panel last week,
• 1:06:45
  agreed that we've all had at some point, you know, damn it
• 1:06:48
  would just be a little bit easier. And then this episode has you know,
• 1:06:53
  you dealing with those same type of things, Like you're saying, like
• 1:06:56
  all of us at some point are related to beasts. We've all been like,
• 1:06:59
  man, if I do it right, you know they'll get me in.
• 1:07:02
  No, fam, that's not what it is. But we all had
• 1:07:05
  to go through that journey, absolutely, And I love that concept y'all talked
• 1:07:11
  about with with Storm, especially this and I know Storm actually isn't in episode
• 1:07:16
  seven. I don't think at all but in the recent episode had to go
• 1:07:21
  through this journey of what it was like to not have her powers and to
• 1:07:25
  feel like that was basically self erasure. That wasn't necessarily about this outside force.
• 1:07:30
  Yes, it has something to do with it, but this whole process
• 1:07:33
  of learning how to love herself weakness and you know, mental illness and powers
• 1:07:41
  and all the entirety of what it means to be storm and how powerful it
• 1:07:45
  is. To come out of that and realize what I'm not going to do
• 1:07:47
  anymore is dream up of this self erasure or actively self erase in order to
• 1:07:54
  be fitting in, in order to be like anybody else, in order to
• 1:07:58
  you know, again like we're talking about, to gain act to the things
• 1:08:00
  that that she she like any person would want access to. And I've had
• 1:08:06
  to go through that journey even recently in life where I had to accept that,
• 1:08:11
  you know, with Hollywood and things of that nature. I was like,
• 1:08:15
  well, do I want to play the games? Do I want to
• 1:08:16
  just say not say how I feel, you know, so I can get
• 1:08:19
  ahead and I accept it now. I don't want to do that. I'd
• 1:08:21
  rather just say what or the fuck I feel and let the dice, you
• 1:08:26
  know, cards whatever fall what they may, because I'd much rather just be
• 1:08:30
  who the hell I am and always say what I feel is right than try
• 1:08:33
  and play the role to get further ahead in this world that at the same
• 1:08:39
  time isn't going to reward you even when you play that role. So that
• 1:08:43
  struggle that you said, I think is also something that it's important to just
• 1:08:46
  name too, right And I think the panel in the last in the last
• 1:08:50
  episode covered that that there are going to be times when we're playing around with
• 1:08:58
  rightly, So just sort of menting, with the code switching and with highlighting
• 1:09:02
  certain parts of ourselves and speaking I do it all the time, speaking in
• 1:09:06
  certain ways, trying to kind of shape shift into a you know, a
• 1:09:14
  person who is agreeable, who's who's a person pleaser, who's you know,
• 1:09:18
  kind of meeting these these different categories of things that I think people want from
• 1:09:24
  from me. And you know, I when I work with young people who
• 1:09:28
  struggle with this too, around their their identity and how to be authentically themselves
• 1:09:33
  and yet also trying to fit in at the same time, which is which
• 1:09:38
  is often unfortunately the way to succeed. This whole idea of self erasure something
• 1:09:45
  that comes up is the guilt of the of sort of manipulating or you know,
• 1:09:57
  showing different parts of your identity and ways that does not feel authentic for
• 1:10:00
  what for advancing yourself, for being visible, for getting access to things that
• 1:10:08
  you don't normally have access to. And you know, I tell them it's
• 1:10:11
  okay, it's okay even to do those things. We shouldn't feel guilty for
• 1:10:14
  that. These are all about. This is about survivorship, and we don't
• 1:10:18
  know the right way to do it, but we certainly shouldn't feel badly for
• 1:10:23
  trying to. No. And something that you talked about earlier they've so hit
• 1:10:30
  me very much is when we're talking about the numbness that comes from this.
• 1:10:34
  And I deal with that a lot because right now, two of the biggest
• 1:10:39
  issues that I know about worldwide at least, are with the situation in Congo
• 1:10:43
  and the situation in Palestine. And in Congo, I just feel like I
• 1:10:46
  don't know what to do because everyone uses the technology that they're exploiting to death,
• 1:10:51
  that they're putting these people to death over there, and it just seems
• 1:10:54
  hopeless and it seems like no one's really paying attention. And I also know
• 1:10:58
  why because the people there are dark christend you know, et cetera, et
• 1:11:01
  cetera. And I'm just also at the same time happy that there's all this
• 1:11:04
  attention being paid to Israel and palestime, because I know this is an issue
• 1:11:09
  that I've like, I had to come up on my Facebook feed where it's
• 1:11:13
  like, oh, here's your ten year anniversary of this post, and it
• 1:11:15
  was ten years ago where I was making a point about how Israel ain't shit,
• 1:11:18
  and I'm like, God, damn, you know what I mean.
• 1:11:20
  And I remember my sister talking about it, but when we were kids,
• 1:11:24
  so this has been like, you know, just forever thing and it I
• 1:11:27
  know it goes back before my birth obviously, and it's just one of those
• 1:11:30
  things where I'm just happy to see all this attention being paid to it,
• 1:11:33
  But at the same time, me as someone who works in this industry,
• 1:11:38
  I'm off, like, fuck, how much can I say about it?
• 1:11:41
  And I just bought two T shirts that I'll be wearing on the show recently
• 1:11:45
  that are pro Palestine, and I mean not recently, I'll be wearing it
• 1:11:48
  very soon. And I speak about it a lot, and I know that
• 1:11:53
  it can be detrimental to my so called career whatever. But at the same
• 1:11:56
  time, I'm like, I don't give a shit because who cares if that
• 1:12:00
  type of stuff. You know, when we were these are there's much more
• 1:12:02
  important things, and we had this platform to distruss them. So that's what
• 1:12:08
  we're here for. A couple more points I want to make about this episode
• 1:12:11
  before we get up out of here. I really loved it, Like say,
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  all of those subtle things. There's a shot of Rogue flying through some
• 1:12:17
  angel wings when she's on her way to confront guy Rich who is basically the
• 1:12:23
  devil, and he's up in this heaven you know type prison. So it's
• 1:12:27
  all those real subtle things that were just really dope garage. Getting murdered is
• 1:12:32
  something, you know, I've I've hated this dude my whole life, honestly,
• 1:12:36
  like ever since I started reading That's Man, I've hated him. And
• 1:12:40
  he got murdered in the comics recently, and it was like, you know,
• 1:12:42
  after all this time moved him being around, he finally got murdered.
• 1:12:45
  I don't know if he ever did before that. That was my first time
• 1:12:48
  remembering it and then seeing him getting done off in this episode was you know,
• 1:12:55
  and again not subtle, very very clearly. We didn't necessarily that was
• 1:13:00
  Bashing, right, We didn't necessarily see I think it wasn't until the end
• 1:13:04
  of the episode we fully saw who that was it was, but we saw
• 1:13:10
  how he killed Guy Rich and it was pretty brutal and very Tarantino ESQ.
• 1:13:17
  And that's something that comes up later on. I really I tweeted this this
• 1:13:21
  morning. I felt like the music with the Purple Pee period either coming up
• 1:13:27
  is very Tarantino ESQ, where you have this music that doesn't tell me what
• 1:13:30
  is that association? Because that music came up a couple of times. Yeah,
• 1:13:34
  well the music comes up twice and Tarantino bit of it. Well,
• 1:13:39
  the really what made me think Tarantino and then the music really solidified it.
• 1:13:44
  But the later scene with Bashing and Magneto when he's shaving him is to me
• 1:13:49
  and he turns on the music because I didn't realize that the music had come
• 1:13:53
  on when he was choking dude out as well. But when he's shaving him,
• 1:13:57
  it gave me the scene from Reservoir Dogs when mister Brown I can't remember
• 1:14:02
  wich of the Michael Madison's character is torturing the police officer with a straight edge
• 1:14:09
  razor and he's playing stuck in the middle with you, which is, you
• 1:14:13
  know, the song just doesn't really fit the scene. And it's that same
• 1:14:16
  type of feeling that I was getting from this scene. And so when you
• 1:14:19
  had this weird music, incongruous, I think that's the word for it,
• 1:14:24
  where it's it just doesn't really fit, right, Is that's the tarantino esteness
• 1:14:29
  of it. Yeah, it kind of gives you this unsettling feeling. Yes,
• 1:14:33
  yeah, And I think in the second I don't know, I can't
• 1:14:36
  remember the first when we first hear it, but that second time we hear
• 1:14:40
  it, it is diegetic, so it's music that's meant to be played.
• 1:14:45
  It's listened to by the characters in the scene, and we also hear it,
• 1:14:48
  so there's something Okay, So there's something to that about I don't know
• 1:14:55
  if it's if it's in effect that that character wants to create again, it's
• 1:15:03
  it's really unsettling and weird. You know, you kind of just just have
• 1:15:10
  this heb GB feeling about it. But now that that tracks about Tarantino,
• 1:15:15
  oh yeah, definitely. And it is that same type of like you said,
• 1:15:18
  the diegetic thing because in the first scene when he's choking him out,
• 1:15:21
  there's an operatic scene playing on the radio, and then as he begins to
• 1:15:26
  choke him, the radio turns to the music, and then when he finishes
• 1:15:30
  up, the radio turns back to the other song. And then when you
• 1:15:32
  see him with Magneto, it's like he has a jukebox and he intentionally plays
• 1:15:36
  the song before he starts messing with Magneto, and that goes back to the
• 1:15:42
  Reservoir Dogs where he turned to the radio station and it's like, don't you
• 1:15:45
  love this radio station and plays all the jams and then begins torturing this dude.
• 1:15:49
  Yikes. Yeah. A couple of moments that I just tried to shout
• 1:15:55
  out was Rogue saying, honey, this ate that sort of probe with you
• 1:15:59
  know, did something for me. I can't lie you like that. I
• 1:16:09
  was like, wow, bro, you know, I didn't realize that line
• 1:16:12
  but hit me the way it did, but it really, it really did.
• 1:16:15
  And then talk about like the joys of animation went in that final fight
• 1:16:18
  when morph is fighting the Prime Sentinel and the Prime Sentinel hents him, and
• 1:16:27
  well, first you have the you know, cameo quit Silver, which is
• 1:16:30
  just so fire and Morph using the powers of quit Silver to attack the Sentinel.
• 1:16:34
  But then when the Sentinel hits him back, he like knocks the Morph
• 1:16:38
  off of him, like the that you know, the white skin of Morph
• 1:16:43
  comes flying off from like liquid. And it's those little bits of things that
• 1:16:46
  happened in the animation that I just love to death. Yeah, it's beautiful
• 1:16:49
  that scene. I don't know a lot about this sort of new Sentinel.
• 1:16:57
  This it's like a person who's a zombie that is created into this prime Sentinel,
• 1:17:03
  incredibly powerful villain, and I guess created by Bastian. Is that what
• 1:17:11
  we're supposed to understand? Yes, oh god, oh, I didn't want
• 1:17:15
  to do this too much because, like Ron was saying before he had the
• 1:17:17
  jet unexpected lead, Bashian's history is so wild, and we've been doing these
• 1:17:24
  kind of breaking down in the history of these characters for people who don't read
• 1:17:27
  the comments. I don't know if they're going to go with this route on
• 1:17:30
  this series, but Bashan in the comics is a character who and they didn't
• 1:17:35
  make a bit of a reference to it in this episode. Is there's this
• 1:17:41
  character Nimrod who comes from the future Nimrod is like the greatest sensit of all
• 1:17:44
  time. He comes from the future. It's kind of a Terminator type story,
• 1:17:47
  and he comes back to eliminate certain characters so his future will happen and
• 1:17:51
  he can continue being the great Sentinel mutant killer that he is. But in
• 1:18:00
  the comics Nimrod and the Master Mold the what we've seen in this story,
• 1:18:05
  the Sentinel Maker, the big Giant Sentinel makes other Sentinels get thrown into this
• 1:18:12
  thing called the Siege Perilous, and the Siege Perilous is basically a dimensional portal
• 1:18:16
  that when you get thrown into it or go into it, you get reborn
• 1:18:21
  as yourself, but different kind of And so the X Men all go it
• 1:18:27
  merges that the bodies, but only one identity comes out of there well,
• 1:18:31
  and no other characters went through it at the same time, like Nimrod and
• 1:18:36
  Master Mold, So it was kind of like at the time, I think
• 1:18:40
  it was more like we're getting rid of these characters for the time being,
• 1:18:42
  because I think that was plussed around Paramount's intention, and then later on they
• 1:18:46
  both came back as bashed In and I think that was another writer by that
• 1:18:51
  point, so that wasn't even his original story. Who knows what his intention
• 1:18:56
  was, but that's what happened. And all the X Men went through the
• 1:18:58
  siege perilous and they basically came out different. This is when Silock went from
• 1:19:02
  being a white woman to the Japanese ninja that we all know, and other
• 1:19:09
  things happened to the various Heatsmen. The biggest change was for silot Storm came
• 1:19:12
  out as a child and then eventually came back to normal size. Silock was
• 1:19:15
  the only one where it really stuck and it became the character that we know.
• 1:19:19
  So but that's how yeah, and that's how Bashton was created. So
• 1:19:24
  I do not think that's how they're gonna go here. That Bashton was Nimrod
• 1:19:28
  and got thrown into a portal. That's something you would have had to throw
• 1:19:30
  and we haven't ever seen that happen. But they do make reference that he
• 1:19:34
  is a character who evolved from one of the old villains. And when Rogue
• 1:19:40
  grabs your rich, you see Nimrod, a quit flash of Nimrod. And
• 1:19:45
  when he talks about you can't get past him, you get a quit flash
• 1:19:48
  of Nimrod. So there is gonna be something where Bashton is this character who
• 1:19:54
  has evolved from Nimrod, and we also see that at the very end of
• 1:20:00
  the episode when he's shaving Magnito. But I think his intentions for Magneto is
• 1:20:03
  to turn Magnito into one of these prime sentinels that we've seen already in this
• 1:20:08
  episode. That's what's happening there with the shaving. Yes, that's what it
• 1:20:13
  took me. On my second watch. I was like, why is he
• 1:20:15
  shaving this dude? What's that about? But then he was like, you're
• 1:20:17
  born to do this. All you need to do is sit back and be
• 1:20:20
  quiet, which was also some wild shit to tell Magnito. And it's like
• 1:20:25
  what this whole episode keeps talking about. It's like, sit back, be
• 1:20:29
  quiet, and just let this happen. But to tell Magneto that, who's
• 1:20:31
  seen the results of what happens when the people sit back and just let something
• 1:20:36
  happen and think things are going to get better. You know, he's seen
• 1:20:40
  his people slaughter before like that, and now he's seeing it happen again.
• 1:20:44
  And for Bashian to tell him that it's just some like wild you know,
• 1:20:47
  some cold work boy right there. I mean, I mean he said sit
• 1:20:50
  listen and obey and You're born for this. The whole time when you were
• 1:20:55
  talking about Bastian in the comics, that kept thinking about that movie with Angela
• 1:21:00
  Bassett and James Spader where they merge, don't they like merge into what supernova?
• 1:21:09
  They actually end up not merging into one person, but they are in
• 1:21:13
  a I'm gonna get this so wrong. They're like in a spaceship, but
• 1:21:15
  there's only one pods. I have to get together, and then one ends
• 1:21:18
  up with one eye like Angela and Bassett ends up with like a blue eye
• 1:21:21
  or something. It's just what you gotta look it up. I've gotta see
• 1:21:26
  this. It's like a sci fi movie from the nineties. I remember,
• 1:21:30
  I just did not know this is how you know it's fun on a movie
• 1:21:32
  I did in season. I did not know that's how you know it ended,
• 1:21:34
  or how it went at all in it. But I just gave away
• 1:21:39
  the ending. Sorry, but yeah, they both they both, Yeah,
• 1:21:42
  they both survived by sort of merge. It's like their DNA has to merge
• 1:21:46
  and then re yeah, like separate again. I might get I've only seen
• 1:21:54
  it one time. Sex Lives and Videotape Jamee Spader. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 1:21:59
  wow, yeah, wow, and wow the Blacklist blacklisting, Yeah wow
• 1:22:05
  yeah, it's an interesting and interesting story. Well I do that. That's
• 1:22:12
  all I kept thinking about. I I think about the fly, so you
• 1:22:17
  know you're going for a better work because I think about, you know,
• 1:22:20
  the grossness of the fly. Whenever, whenever that sees prayer, the story
• 1:22:24
  gets brought up, is what I think about. So well, I do
• 1:22:28
  want to end with this concept of time travel. That what we know,
• 1:22:31
  and this is true in our lives. If there is anything that is going
• 1:22:34
  to liberate us from traumatic grief, it is time travel. And what I
• 1:22:41
  mean by that is when we future orient ourselves, when we forecast what life
• 1:22:47
  is going to be. And you've been doing this, You've been in various
• 1:22:49
  phases of grief. We do a couple of things. We forecast a future
• 1:22:55
  that doesn't exist. These are the alternate realities in our future. What is
• 1:22:58
  life going to be like in five years, ten years, fifteen years.
• 1:23:02
  It's we call it like a cognitive exercise, an emotional exercise. And we
• 1:23:08
  also do some time travel with our past what would things. This is actually
• 1:23:14
  called counterfactual thinking. When we go back to our past and rewrite the narrative.
• 1:23:18
  How would this have been different if I did this, if I took
• 1:23:23
  a different action, if I told that person don't go that way, if
• 1:23:27
  I made an effort to try to save them. All these different alternate realities
• 1:23:31
  that we create in our past and in our future, And what x Men
• 1:23:34
  is going to do, which I'm just predicting because it's x Men, is
• 1:23:40
  they're going to take us into the different times, into different those different places
• 1:23:45
  in the timeline to make sense of the trauma. Now we know from the
• 1:23:53
  Endgame and Infinity War and things like that, that doesn't necessarily make the trauma
• 1:23:59
  go away, but it's going to help us create rewrite a story that's going
• 1:24:02
  to make sense for our characters. And that is what I'm hoping for with
• 1:24:06
  what the next three episodes, We're going to wrap this up with some mad,
• 1:24:12
  like amazing time travel story. I'm really like wondering where we're going,
• 1:24:18
  you know, with I mean knowing that the series is already already Season two
• 1:24:21
  is already pretty much finished, you know, other than like animation, I
• 1:24:25
  think at this point, and then they're already planning out season three and probably
• 1:24:30
  beyond that now with the success of this show, I'm really wondering where they're
• 1:24:33
  going in these next three episodes. But the next three episodes are called uh
• 1:24:39
  tolerance for is extinction or because I know it references the E for extinction Wait
• 1:24:45
  zero, the operation zero tolerance. Yes, yeah, it's well, it's
• 1:24:48
  a the name of the three episodes, our reference to E for Extinction,
• 1:24:53
  which was Brant Morrison's run on New X Men where Jenosha first is destroyed.
• 1:24:59
  So you know has already been destroyed at this point. So where they're going
• 1:25:01
  in these next three episodes obviously, like you said, we're gonna have cable
• 1:25:05
  there, We're gonna have some talking do something with cable. It's now two
• 1:25:09
  or three times Bashion you know, has been hinted that since to be pretty
• 1:25:14
  much early on, like we saw the first time we see Bash as far
• 1:25:18
  as I can remember, we see actually someone well he's at the you see
• 1:25:23
  him at the gala before it gets destroyed. He's one of the people in
• 1:25:27
  the background. And he was also on Forger's wall in a picture with Forge
• 1:25:31
  right right right, Yeah, So that's gonna have to get resolved, and
• 1:25:35
  you know where he comes from, and now he knows Forge is gonna have
• 1:25:39
  to get explored. You also have Professor Eds coming back to Earth and they've
• 1:25:44
  they've got to bring that back and resolve that. And we were talking about
• 1:25:46
  this last week. Is that gonna lead into an onslaught stop type storyline where
• 1:25:53
  Professor At and Manito have been pushed at their limit and formed this you know,
• 1:25:57
  evil being? Or are we leading towards like a Kirkoa storyline where the
• 1:26:02
  edge Men get fed up with everything and just go off on their own.
• 1:26:06
  But they've already kind of did that with Janosha in this and bringing up Kurcoa
• 1:26:12
  with this Living Island would be a lot of storyline to cover in three episodes
• 1:26:16
  that I don't think is really gonna happen right now. I think that might
• 1:26:18
  happen maybe in season three or something. So I'm not one hundred cent sure
• 1:26:25
  where we're going to these last three episodes. I think, like you said,
• 1:26:28
  the most logical answer is some time travel hygiens. I just really hope
• 1:26:32
  that we don't do the well Cambit had to die so that you know,
• 1:26:38
  it's a wonderful life type of thing, Like, I really hope we don't
• 1:26:41
  do that. I just but at the same time, I hope they don't
• 1:26:45
  bring them back in some time travel hygiens and then that's three episodes either,
• 1:26:47
  so it might have to be some of that. Well, Gambit had to
• 1:26:50
  die because this is how life goes, which I hate because that's some one
• 1:26:58
  of the things of grief that I've had to deal with, you know that,
• 1:27:00
  And that's something that I've often distressed throughout my life. You know,
• 1:27:03
  I'm something that I've been obsessed with in my life is like choices and fate
• 1:27:09
  and whether or not you know, we are faded to do things or it's
• 1:27:12
  just you know, how just basically how reality works. It's something I've been
• 1:27:15
  obsessed with and what our choices lead to and things of that nature. And
• 1:27:20
  like you said, oh if I've done this, but I've saved that person,
• 1:27:24
  If only I've done this, would that person still be here? And
• 1:27:28
  sometimes I've always accepted is that you know, everything does happen for a reason,
• 1:27:30
  and if you think that way, then you have to accept that all
• 1:27:33
  these things have happened and they are what it is. One of the greatest
• 1:27:39
  pieces of advice I ever got in my life was Benjamin whenever you hear the
• 1:27:43
  word if in your head, that's just the devil talking to you, because
• 1:27:46
  there is no if, there's just is. You know, there is this,
• 1:27:50
  and so I think that's something that you know, people deal with grief
• 1:27:55
  definitely have to deal with and probably can relate to. So that's real.
• 1:27:59
  It us into trouble. Too many ifs will get you into trouble emotionally mentally.
• 1:28:03
  Absolutely, that's good advice. I was given to me straight up when
• 1:28:09
  I was sitting in prison with someone, so it was yeah, it was
• 1:28:12
  taking Well, that's that with me. It's hard to not take it at
• 1:28:17
  that point. All right, Well, thank you doctor Drea for joining us,
• 1:28:24
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• 1:28:31
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