Latest / Investor Exchange / Unveiling OUE REIT's 2024 Financial Journey: Profits, Losses, and Future Prospects
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- 0:00Music.
- 0:10We're going to be looking at OU REIT's financial performance for the second half of 2024.
- 0:16And we've got their financials in front of us. We've got the presentation,
- 0:19the statements, and we've even got a rule 706A announcement.
- 0:23It's going to be interesting to see what we can find out. Yeah,
- 0:25these documents really give us a full picture. We can see where they've had
- 0:28success and also some of the challenges they face.
- 0:31Oh, and before we forget, I think it's pretty interesting that OU REIT owns
- 0:35some of the most recognizable buildings in Singapore. You know,
- 0:39One Raffles Place, which is one of the tallest buildings there,
- 0:41and the luxurious Hilton Singapore Orchard.
- 0:46And both of these are in really great locations. Yeah, you really can't underestimate
- 0:50how important location is when it comes to real estate.
- 0:53So today we're trying to understand how URI has been doing, why their financials
- 0:58look the way they do, and what they're thinking about doing in the future.
- 1:02Okay, so let's start with the big picture.
- 1:04OUREIT had a loss in the second half of 2024, but a profit for the whole year.
- 1:10Kind of interesting, right?
- 1:11Yeah, it definitely tells us that we need to look beyond just the basic numbers.
- 1:14They lost $109.744 million in the second half of the year, but still managed
- 1:20to bring in a profit of $58.908 million for the full year.
- 1:24So something must have happened in those six months to cause that.
- 1:27Yeah, for sure. And while they had a loss for the second half of the year,
- 1:30their revenue actually went up in both the second half of 2024 and for the full
- 1:33year, up 1.7% in the second half and 3.7% for the entire year.
- 1:38So more revenue, but a loss for half the year. Hmm.
- 1:41Yeah, it seems a bit counterintuitive. But if you look at where the revenue
- 1:45growth came from, you see it was the hospitality sector.
- 1:47As travel restrictions started to ease up globally, O'Leary Reits hotels and
- 1:51especially the Hilton Singapore Orchard started to see a lot more guests and
- 1:55were able to charge more.
- 1:56So in the second half of the year, they saw a 5.4% revenue increase for those assets.
- 2:00And for the entire year, it was 8.9%. Yeah, it's pretty obvious that people
- 2:04would want to stay in those prime locations as they started traveling again.
- 2:08But if their revenue went up, how did they end up with a loss in the second
- 2:11half of the year? Well, there are a few things that happened.
- 2:14First, the property taxes went up quite a bit for two of their hotels,
- 2:18the Hilton Singapore Orchard and the Crowne Plaza Changi Airport.
- 2:22That would have had a significant impact on their profitability.
- 2:25Ah, so even though they were making more money, they had to pay more to the government.
- 2:30Yeah, unfortunately, things like property taxes can have a big impact on REIT's
- 2:34profits. And then there's the issue of fair value loss.
- 2:38I think some of our listeners might not be familiar with fair value.
- 2:41Can you just explain what that is? Sure. So imagine you're trying to sell your house.
- 2:45The price you could get for it might change, even though your house is the same.
- 2:49It all depends on how the housing market is doing. And fair value is basically
- 2:53the price you could get for a property if you sold it right now.
- 2:56So if the market isn't doing well, the value of a property can go down.
- 3:01And that can cause a loss for the REIT, even if they don't actually sell anything.
- 3:06Exactly. And unfortunately for OE REIT, they had a pretty big fair value loss
- 3:11on their investment properties, both in the second half of the year and for the full year.
- 3:16And that really hurt their overall profitability.
- 3:19OK, so higher property taxes and a fair value loss. Anything else that caused
- 3:22their profit to dip in the second half of the year? Oh, yeah.
- 3:25We can't forget that they sold Lippo Plaza in Shanghai.
- 3:28That sale closed in December of 2024. and it resulted in a loss for OU.
- 3:34Really? How can selling a property cause a loss? Well, it might seem counterintuitive,
- 3:38but sometimes when you sell a property, it ends up being worth less than what's
- 3:42on your books, and then you also have to pay all sorts of fees and costs.
- 3:45So it's not as simple as just selling for more than you bought it.
- 3:48Yeah, it sounds like there are a lot of moving parts. There really are,
- 3:51and it seems like selling Lippo Plaza was part of a strategy for OE REIT to
- 3:55rebalance their portfolio, even if it meant taking a loss in the short term.
- 3:59Okay, so we've got a much better understanding now of why OE REIT's profit was
- 4:04down in the second half of 2024.
- 4:06Even though their revenue went up, they had higher property taxes,
- 4:10a fair value loss, and the sale of Libo Plaza.
- 4:13So where do they go from here? What are the plans for the future?
- 4:16Well, despite some uncertainty in the global economy, OE REIT seems to be pretty optimistic.
- 4:21They believe in Singapore's economy, and they think their properties are in
- 4:25a great position. I love that they're so positive about the future.
- 4:28What specifically are they excited about?
- 4:30Well, they think their office buildings will continue to attract tenants because
- 4:34they're green certified.
- 4:35And we're seeing this trend of businesses wanting higher quality office space.
- 4:39You mean like even if the economy isn't doing well, businesses will still want
- 4:43to be in top-notch, eco-friendly spaces.
- 4:46Exactly. They're willing to pay more for that, even when times are tough.
- 4:48That makes a lot of sense.
- 4:50What else is OU Rate focused on? They're also really optimistic about their
- 4:54hotels, especially because there aren't a lot of new hotels being built in the
- 4:58Orchard Road area, and they expect a lot more tourists and business travelers in 2025.
- 5:03So more people visiting Singapore and needing a place to stay,
- 5:07that should be great for their hotels.
- 5:09Anything else contributing to their optimistic outlook?
- 5:12Yeah, this is an important one. They're really focused on managing their finances
- 5:16well and making sure they have flexibility. Okay, but what does that mean for a REIT?
- 5:21Basically, it means making sure they have the resources they need to grow and
- 5:25the ability to take advantage of new opportunities when they come up.
- 5:28So they're like making sure they have enough savings and a good credit score. Yeah, exactly.
- 5:32Okay. I'm really struck by the fact that even with these challenges like the
- 5:36higher property taxes and fair value losses, they're still making strategic
- 5:41moves like selling lipo plaza.
- 5:43And they're really focused on managing their money well.
- 5:46But I'd love to learn more about their specific properties. Yeah,
- 5:49let's dive into their portfolio next.
- 5:51It's pretty clear that they're really focused on Singapore, which makes sense
- 5:56given how optimistic they are about Singapore's economy.
- 5:58Yeah, we talked a bit about some of their big properties, like One Raffles Place
- 6:02and the Hilton Singapore Orchard.
- 6:04But I'd love to hear more about the specifics of what they own.
- 6:07Okay, so as of December 31st, 2024, 162% of their unit holders' funds were invested
- 6:14in properties in Singapore. Wait a minute.
- 6:18162 percent. How is that possible? That's a great question.
- 6:22And it brings up something really important about how REITs work.
- 6:25They can actually borrow money to buy more properties, which means they can
- 6:29potentially get bigger returns. So that's why it's more than 100 percent. Makes sense.
- 6:33And they also used to have that property in Shanghai Lippo Plaza,
- 6:36but they sold that, right? Yes, they did.
- 6:38And that sale really decreased their exposure to the Chinese market.
- 6:42In December 2023, Lipo Plaza represented 13% of their unit holders' funds.
- 6:46But a year later, it was gone from their portfolio.
- 6:49So now they're even more focused on Singapore, which seems to be in line with
- 6:54their view that Singapore's economy is going to do well.
- 6:56Absolutely. So let's talk about some of their specific properties.
- 6:59One, Raffles Place is definitely one of their most important assets.
- 7:02Yeah, it's such an iconic building. You can't miss it when you're in Singapore.
- 7:06It's a huge development with two grade A office towers and a retail mall.
- 7:10And it's right in the heart of the Raffles Place Financial District.
- 7:13So it's obviously a very valuable property.
- 7:16And I remember hearing that it's a freehold property, so they owned it outright.
- 7:19Well, not exactly. One Raffles Place actually has both freehold and leasehold components.
- 7:24Tower One has an 841-year leasehold from 1985.
- 7:28Wow, 841 years. That's basically like owning it forever.
- 7:32Pretty much. But Tower Two has a 99-year leasehold from 1983.
- 7:36And the shopping mall has a mix of 99-year and 841-year leaseholds.
- 7:42But even with those different leasehold structures, One Raffles Place is still
- 7:46a really significant part of their portfolio.
- 7:48It represents about 61% of their unit holders' funds as of December 2024.
- 7:53So even though the ownership is a bit complicated, it's still a very valuable
- 7:56asset for them. What about their other properties?
- 7:59Well, they also own another office property, OUE Downtown Office,
- 8:03which is part of a mixed-use development
- 8:04in Shentenway, another important business district in Singapore.
- 8:07And that one has a 99-year leasehold from 1967.
- 8:11Okay, so they've got two really nice office properties in their portfolio.
- 8:15And don't forget about their hotels. We already mentioned the Hilton Singapore
- 8:18Orchard, which is their flagship hotel.
- 8:21Right, that one has over a thousand rooms. And it's right in the middle of Orchard
- 8:25Road, which is the best place to be in Singapore for shopping and entertainment.
- 8:29Exactly. It's a perfect location for tourists and business travelers.
- 8:32And it has a 99-year lease hold from 1957.
- 8:37So there are about 32 years left on the lease as of December 2024.
- 8:41Okay, so they've still got a good amount of time left on that lease.
- 8:44What about their other hotel, the Crowne Plaza Changi Airport?
- 8:47Ah, yes, that one is also in a great location. It's right next to Terminal 3
- 8:51at Changi Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world.
- 8:53And isn't it connected to Juul Changi Airport as well, that amazing retail and
- 8:58entertainment complex?
- 8:59It is, so it's really easy to get to, and there's a lot to do right there.
- 9:03The Crowne Plaza has a 74-year leasehold from 2009, so there are about 59 years left on the lease.
- 9:10Wow. So they really have all their bases covered when it comes to hotels.
- 9:13They've got office spaces in the best financial districts, and hotels in the
- 9:17most popular areas for shopping and entertainment.
- 9:20Even an airport hotel for people traveling through. And we can't forget about
- 9:23Mandarin Gallery, their luxury retail mall on Orchard Road.
- 9:27Oh, yeah. I love that one. It has such a big storefront. It does.
- 9:31It's 152 meters long, so it really stands out.
- 9:34And it's in a prime spot to attract high-end brands and shoppers.
- 9:38It has a 99-year leasehold from 1957, just like the Hilton, so 32 years left on that lease.
- 9:44Okay, so they've got a really interesting portfolio with a lot of great properties
- 9:48in Singapore. But they did say that they're open to buying more properties in the future.
- 9:52Yes, they did. And now that they've sold Lippo Plaza, they have more money to
- 9:57do that. So the big question is, what are they going to buy next?
- 10:00That's what everyone wants to know. Will they stick with Singapore?
- 10:04Or will they look at other markets? Will they focus on office space and hotels?
- 10:08Or maybe try something different like industrial or residential properties?
- 10:12It's kind of like a mystery.
- 10:13What's their next move going to be? Exactly. But to really understand what they
- 10:17might do, we need to look at their financial situation.
- 10:20Their financial statements will tell us a lot about how much debt they have,
- 10:23how much money they're making, and how risky their investments are.
- 10:27Yeah, that information is really important because it'll tell us if they're
- 10:30in a good position to buy more properties. Exactly.
- 10:33So let's dive into those financial statements and see what we can learn about
- 10:37OE REIT's financial health. Let's start with their debt.
- 10:40As of December 31st, 2024, OE REIT had $2,099,635,000 in loans and borrowings.
- 10:50Wow, that's a lot of money. Is that something to be worried about?
- 10:53Well, to figure that out, we need to look at their aggregate leverage,
- 10:56which was 39.9% at the end of 2024.
- 10:59This basically means that almost 40% of their assets were financed with debt.
- 11:03Okay, so is that a lot? It depends. A little bit of leverage can help a REIT
- 11:07get bigger returns, but too much debt can be risky.
- 11:10Luckily, there are rules in place to make sure REITs don't take on too much debt.
- 11:14And OE REIT is well within those limits. That's good to hear.
- 11:18What other things can we look at in these financials to get a sense of how healthy
- 11:21they are? Well, their interest coverage ratio is also really important.
- 11:24That tells us how easily they can pay their interest expenses using their earnings.
- 11:29A higher ratio is generally better. And at the end of 2024, OE REITs interest
- 11:33coverage ratio was 2.2 times.
- 11:36So they're making more than twice what they need to pay in interest.
- 11:39That seems like a pretty safe buffer.
- 11:41It does. It means they can comfortably meet their current debt obligations.
- 11:45Now, if we look a bit closer at where they're getting their financing from,
- 11:48we see that $950,000 of it is from unsecured notes.
- 11:53Unsecured notes. What are those? They're basically like bonds.
- 11:56OUE REIT borrows money from investors and promises to pay it back with interest
- 12:00over a certain amount of time.
- 12:02But these notes aren't backed by any specific assets, hence the name unsecured.
- 12:06Okay, so like a big loan. What about the rest of their debt?
- 12:09The rest is from bank loans, both secured and unsecured.
- 12:13But it's interesting to note that as of December 2024, they didn't have any secured term loans.
- 12:19So none of their bank loans are backed by their properties.
- 12:21I think they used to have some secured loans. You're right.
- 12:24Back in December 2023, they did have some loans secured by their properties,
- 12:28but it looks like they refinanced them. Hmm.
- 12:31I wonder why they did that. It could be a way to give themselves more flexibility.
- 12:35They're not as tied down to specific assets, so they have more options when
- 12:39it comes to managing their portfolio and essentially buying new properties.
- 12:44That's a good point. So we've talked about their debt and how they're financing everything.
- 12:48What does their cash flow statement tell us? The cash flow statement is really
- 12:51useful because it tells us how they're getting cash and how they're spending it.
- 12:56In 2024, they got a lot of cash from selling Lippo Plaza, about $299,460,000.
- 13:03Wow, that's a lot of money. What do they do with it?
- 13:06Well, they use some of it to pay down debt and some of it to cover their operating expenses.
- 13:11They also invested some of it in their existing properties, you know,
- 13:14things like upgrades and renovations.
- 13:16So they're putting money back into their properties to make them even better.
- 13:20Exactly. And they're also giving some of that cash back to their investors.
- 13:23Their distribution per unit for the full year 2024 was 2.06 cents.
- 13:29OK, so they're keeping their investors happy. That's always a good sign.
- 13:32So overall, what do you think of OE REIT's financial health?
- 13:37Well, based on everything we've looked at, I think they're in a pretty stable
- 13:40position. They're managing their debt well. They're making good money.
- 13:44And they're rewarding their investors. So it seems like they're in a good spot
- 13:47to face whatever challenges come their way. Yes, I think so.
- 13:50What's the main thing you want our listeners to take away from this?
- 13:53For me, the key takeaway is that OU REIT seems to be in a good position for future growth.
- 13:58They're focused on some really great properties in Singapore.
- 14:01They're managing their money well.
- 14:02And they're making smart moves like selling Lipo Plaza. So they have the resources
- 14:07and the flexibility to take advantage of new opportunities.
- 14:10It really sounds like they've set themselves up for success.
- 14:13What do you think is next for OVREIT? What should we be paying attention to?
- 14:17Well, it'll be interesting to see what they do next. Will they stay focused
- 14:20on Singapore or start looking at other markets?
- 14:24Will they continue to invest in office space and hotels or try something new?
- 14:29It's exciting to think about the possibilities. It really is.
- 14:32Well, thanks to this deep dive, our listeners are now experts on OE REIT.
- 14:37We went beyond just the headlines and really dug into what's driving their performance.
- 14:41Absolutely. I think everyone listening now has a much better understanding of
- 14:44this REIT and how it fits into the world of real estate investing.
- 14:48Exactly. So stay curious, stay informed, and keep an eye on OE REIT.
- 14:52We'll be back soon with another deep dive.
- 14:55Until then, happy investing.
- 14:57Music.