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Ep. 6: Analyzing Depth Chart Before Preseason Week 1 | Jags A.M. Podcast · Jags A.M.

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  Speaker 1: We got our first look at the unofficial depth chart
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  Speaker 1: earlier this week. Which workie do you guys think has
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  Speaker 1: the best chance of moving up before the start of
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  Speaker 1: the season.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Raymond Bahassik, the young defensive tackle
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  Speaker 2: from North Carolina who had no expectations but has played
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  Speaker 2: pretty well the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 3: He could go from three to two none but Antonio Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome into our Wednesday edition of jag XAM. I'm Kennannie Stevens,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, John Osier with me this morning. Today's show
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  Speaker 1: is brought to you by Jet Home Loans and training
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  Speaker 1: Camp about to get going. Players aren't quite out there,
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  Speaker 1: some of them might be. They're gonna get their stretch
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  Speaker 1: on soon and get practice going, and got a game
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday. Starting to feel like coming together.
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  Speaker 3: Here.
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  Speaker 1: We got that unofficial depth chart, which is so official.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's the reason there are really no surprises on
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  Speaker 2: it right now. I mean, you look at a guy,
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  Speaker 2: you look at a guy like Antonio Johnson right who
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  Speaker 2: is three right now behind Daniel Thomas. Clearly he is
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  Speaker 2: a better prospect than Daniel Thomas's. And I really like
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  Speaker 2: Daniel Thomas and waited for him to become a guy
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  Speaker 2: who you could count on here. But he's three because
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  Speaker 2: behind Daniel Thomas, because he's a rookie.
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  Speaker 3: In a week that could change, ye And I said
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  Speaker 3: him at the top because he's clearly impressed. And is
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  Speaker 3: he ahead of Daniel Thomas? I don't know. You get
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  Speaker 3: the sense of the coaches believe that they have seen
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Thomas do the role so much that they don't
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  Speaker 3: want to switch that up. But maybe it's him. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that any of them will move up from
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  Speaker 3: their spots before the regular season regular season, because it
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  Speaker 3: feels like that's sort of where they make sense. But
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  Speaker 3: if you get a numbers thing at safety, maybe Antonio
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  Speaker 3: in the past.
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  Speaker 2: And I brought up Vahasik because I watched him the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of days when they were in full pads,
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  Speaker 2: and I was, who is that guy? We're in fifty
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  Speaker 2: nine and that's Vahasik, who the seventh round pick from
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  Speaker 2: North Carolina that you know, overlooked in many cases, not
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  Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna contribute this year or maybe even next.
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  Speaker 2: But you can see the physical skills there. You can
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  Speaker 2: see why they drafted him. He's tough, He's.
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  Speaker 1: Strong a project they want to work on for sure.
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  Speaker 1: We'll touch a little bit more on that in a minute,
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  Speaker 1: but let's start with our big things. First big thing
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  Speaker 1: is buzz. We always talk about people not giving Trevor
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  Speaker 1: Lawrence the respect that he deserves. But Brian, you said,
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  Speaker 1: you saw some lists and you saw some things where
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  Speaker 1: he was getting maybe a little of the credit we
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  Speaker 1: think he may ye.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know the Athletic had him in that tier two,
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  Speaker 2: right just below the elite, and you know who the
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  Speaker 2: elites are, the Mahomes, the Burroughs, the Josh Allen's, Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Rodgers of the world. They put Justin Herbert in that
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  Speaker 2: and I think when you look at his stats and
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  Speaker 2: the things he's done in his first couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: he belongs there. And then there's that second tier of quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 2: and they had Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson and then Trevor.
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  Speaker 2: But listening to their podcast, it seems like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they see a lot of buzz for Trevor moving in,
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  Speaker 2: you know, being that guy the weapons in his skill set.
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  Speaker 2: And then yesterday Bill Barnwell on ESPN site had Trevor
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  Speaker 2: as one of those guys who could jump into the
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  Speaker 2: MVP conversation in his third season in the NFL. So
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  Speaker 2: whether he can or he does, or any of that,
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  Speaker 2: there is a lot of buzz about Trevor Lawrence two
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  Speaker 2: weeks into training camp.
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  Speaker 3: I think those assessments, if you look at it as
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  Speaker 3: objectively as he can to make perfect sense, Jaguars fans
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  Speaker 3: all off season would get very upset with list. People
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  Speaker 3: get mad at lists, Brian because their guy isn't the top.
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  Speaker 2: I get mad at list.
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  Speaker 3: That's what journalism is these days. Lists. If you look
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  Speaker 3: at Trevor, that's sort of where if you step back
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  Speaker 3: from it all, he's had a half a really really
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  Speaker 3: good season and he was unbelievable for some moments. So
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  Speaker 3: it's given fans a lot of hope and I think
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be among that elite. But that's his
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  Speaker 3: storyline right now. He is about where they have him,
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  Speaker 3: with an incredibly good chance to go join the elite.
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  Speaker 3: This could be the year that happens, but if you're
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  Speaker 3: trying to be objective about it, you can't put him
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  Speaker 3: there yet.
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  Speaker 2: No, and I didn't suggest that he should be there yet.
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  Speaker 2: What's interesting is a year ago Kai he was a
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  Speaker 2: guy that everyone was disappointed in. Right, the national media
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  Speaker 2: didn't take the time to look at the prince of
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  Speaker 2: darkness who had been here in twenty twenty one, right,
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  Speaker 2: and what he had nearly done to this kid. So
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  Speaker 2: now all of a sudden to see it just dramatically
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  Speaker 2: change one hundred and eighty degrees, if you will, from
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  Speaker 2: the start of camp last year to the start of
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  Speaker 2: camp this year is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Right, It's good to have good buzz, right, we always
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  Speaker 1: it's always when it's the other way around, that's not great.
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  Speaker 1: When it's a high expectation they're not delivering. But now
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like, oh, well, we kind of maybe
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  Speaker 1: wrote that off or weren't thinking about it. Now it's
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  Speaker 1: like the way they finished the last season. Now people
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  Speaker 1: are thinking about it different way in terms of these
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  Speaker 1: aren't the same old Jacks.
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  Speaker 2: If you go back and look at the last nine
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  Speaker 2: games of last year, fifteen touchdowns and two interceptions, his
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  Speaker 2: completion percentage was seventy five point five percent, which led
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  Speaker 2: all quarterbacks during that time, and his quarterback rating was
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  Speaker 2: one o four point six That over those nine weeks
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  Speaker 2: was the highest quarterback efficiency rating in the league. So
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  Speaker 2: over the second half of the season, and John, you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned that he really had one half of one season
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  Speaker 2: that you could look at and go that was the
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  Speaker 2: elite stuff. The numbers back it up. It was elite stuff.
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  Speaker 2: He earned the buzz that he is getting right now,
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  Speaker 2: and we're out there watching him every day and the
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  Speaker 2: national media have been through and now we're getting a
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  Speaker 2: look at him with the weapons with another season in
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  Speaker 2: the offense.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good buzz. John.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no reason to think that he won't be
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  Speaker 3: there at the end, but meaning among the elite group.
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  Speaker 3: But you have to do it for seventeen games. He
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  Speaker 3: has to up to him assistant, and that's the storyline
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  Speaker 3: this year.
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  Speaker 1: It will be up to Trevor to prove it he does.
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  Speaker 2: Rick Meyer, if you recall all the way back in
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  Speaker 2: the early nineties, was the AFC rookie or the offensive
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  Speaker 2: rookie of the year with the Seattle Seahawks and was
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  Speaker 2: a terrible bust three years later. So I get your point.
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  Speaker 1: Not gonna happen here though, So never mind, We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: move to our big thing. Number two is reps.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Trevor talked a little bit. We had that in our
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  Speaker 1: last show about he likes to be out there in
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  Speaker 1: the preseason get the feel of a real game. And
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  Speaker 1: Doug came out on NFL Network during his interview to
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  Speaker 1: say that we will see the starters a little bit
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday in Dallas.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm a big believer in the starters playing,
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  Speaker 4: and I really feel like they need to feel sort
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  Speaker 4: of that energy that comes with that comes with starting
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  Speaker 4: a football game. And so I did it last year,
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  Speaker 4: you know, with the guys, and anticipate right now, We're
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  Speaker 4: still a few days away, but anticipating I'm getting you know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe a series or two, you know, this weekend. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, we're still in that evaluation mode. As you know,
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  Speaker 4: we got a lot of young players that we need
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  Speaker 4: to evaluate. So they're also going to get a lot
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  Speaker 4: of time, you know, in this football game. But right now,
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  Speaker 4: I anticipate our starters playing, you know, playing a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: at least getting a series or two in this game.
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  Speaker 1: See, the quarterbacks are on the same page, and by
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  Speaker 1: that I mean Trevor Lawrence and former quarterback Doug Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: What's the ideal amount of time we see Trevor in
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  Speaker 1: this game on Saturday?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I wou'd say two series, if the first series
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  Speaker 3: is eight plays in a touchdown, one series, just enough
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  Speaker 3: to where you don't overdo this. But I think there
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  Speaker 3: are coaches and maybe dougs like this. If you get
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  Speaker 3: a good one in, then get him out. If you
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  Speaker 3: get two clunkers, then you say, well, you had your chance.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go wrap it up next week. You know, let's
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  Speaker 3: go do it again next week. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: leave you out there for five to get you hurt.
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  Speaker 3: But I think plays twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he had twelve past attempts in the
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  Speaker 2: game against the Browns here last year, so that seems right,
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  Speaker 2: and you build towards next week where he'll play the
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  Speaker 2: first half and maybe the first series or the third quarter,
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  Speaker 2: and that'll be it for him in the preses. And
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  Speaker 2: so a little bit of work to get warmed up for.
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  Speaker 1: Detroit is echo for all the first string starters. Do
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  Speaker 1: you feel like some position groups may need a little
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  Speaker 1: more time out there? What do you look at at
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  Speaker 1: this point in the preseason.
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  Speaker 2: I think you might give the offensive line some more
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  Speaker 2: time because you are working through I mean, you've got
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  Speaker 2: play cancer is going to start for Shatley and little
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  Speaker 2: is in it left tackle, and obviously Anton Harrison's there,
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  Speaker 2: so and you might want to give CJ. Bether a
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  Speaker 2: running start with the first team line. I could see
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  Speaker 2: the first team line playing more than two series.
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  Speaker 3: It sounded from what Doug said this morning meeting with
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  Speaker 3: the media that the veteran starters will all play about
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  Speaker 3: the same So I would expect that to be that number.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about twelve plays just two series, depend on
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  Speaker 3: how it goes. But then he mentioned Anton Harrison could
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  Speaker 3: play a little bit more. I think the rookies who
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  Speaker 3: expect to contribute will get a lot of that second
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  Speaker 3: or a second and third series through the middle of
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  Speaker 3: the third quarter type thing. But he may be the
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  Speaker 3: only guy who really fits into that. Harrison, Bigsby, guys
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  Speaker 3: like that could I expect to expect Bigsby, for example,
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  Speaker 3: to get some work with the ones, because it seems
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  Speaker 3: like you want to work that in a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit, which is why you'd leave them in a little
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  Speaker 2: bit longer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so then you leave the rookies in a little
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  Speaker 3: bit longer.
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  Speaker 1: All right, moving on to big thing three. Touch on
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  Speaker 1: this in a little bit as well. So we have
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  Speaker 1: that unofficial depth chart which doesn't mean a ton because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it just looks very similar to last year.
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  Speaker 1: There were a couple of notes that we do want
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  Speaker 1: to bring up just if you haven't had a chance
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  Speaker 1: to look at it yet. Right now, we have Blake
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  Speaker 1: Hants is going to be in it left guard. That's
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  Speaker 1: because Tyler Shatley has not been cleared to play yet,
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  Speaker 1: and Anton Harrison, as you mentioned, is going to be
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  Speaker 1: starting at right tackle. Did Doug say whether or not
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  Speaker 1: he was going to be playing like full go, because
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  Speaker 1: we've seen him help out a little bit and perhaps.
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  Speaker 3: What Doug said he'll play, And as I said, he
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  Speaker 3: actually specified that he could play a little longer than
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  Speaker 3: the starter, So it sounds like he's he's back.
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  Speaker 2: Getting set up for next week in Detroit, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's where you're really going to show up, and we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about that a lot next week. But
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  Speaker 2: that's where you want to get a lot of really
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  Speaker 2: good work in. It's where the starters will get their
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  Speaker 2: most valuable work in of the entire preseason.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about our at this at the broadcast meeting
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  Speaker 1: yesterday and there were some differing opinions. Tony Miscelli and
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  Speaker 1: some of the other people were trying to decide whether
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  Speaker 1: we see the starters mostly in Detroit or mostly against Miami.
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  Speaker 1: I think Tony thought some of them would play more
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  Speaker 1: in Miami, but most of us thought you'd see him
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  Speaker 1: more in Detroit. What do you guys think in terms
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  Speaker 1: of starters.
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  Speaker 3: In the trend that would if if that's the case,
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  Speaker 3: would be the first time Tony was ever wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, don't make me misquote him now, I'm scared of misremembering.
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  Speaker 3: So, uh, yeah, I would expect them to play mostly
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  Speaker 3: in Detroit and then not play against Miami.
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  Speaker 2: But oh yeah, here's the difference. What are we three
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  Speaker 2: seasons now to three preseason games and you learn, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you have two weeks between the preseason finale and the
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  Speaker 2: regular season opener. So if you wanted to get a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of work in.
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  Speaker 1: Again, still have a full break before.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still two weeks to get guys, you know,
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  Speaker 2: ready to go. So I guess what I'm saying is, John,
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  Speaker 2: when you and I started in this thing, there was
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  Speaker 2: a definite rhythm every year too.
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  Speaker 3: There's also four games and different was a different deal.
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  Speaker 2: But now it's kind of changing every year. Well, coaches
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  Speaker 2: is a hard spot.
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  Speaker 3: Coaches in general don't like making their own decisions on this.
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  Speaker 3: They like following the league trend because it's safe and
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  Speaker 3: just like most people. So, I think what we're seeing
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  Speaker 3: now is the process. We're three years into it. We're
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  Speaker 3: seeing the process of league think trying to take hold.
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  Speaker 3: Meaning what's everybody else doing?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: It is Bill Belichick in twenty eleven in the preseason
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  Speaker 2: finale against this team in New England, where he sat
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  Speaker 2: every one of his starters on both sides of the ball,
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  Speaker 2: and since then, the third or the last preseason game
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  Speaker 2: has been in consequential for starters.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick making the trends that what you're.
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  Speaker 2: Saying, He made it easy for those guys to do
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  Speaker 2: their thing because Jack came out that night and do
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  Speaker 2: the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Set all all set too. Yeah, all right, Looking forward,
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  Speaker 1: we got a lot more coming up. We're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: a peek at training camp. The tight ends are getting
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  Speaker 1: in there and getting things done, and that'll be a
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  Speaker 1: fun group for us to watch. We'll keep an eye
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  Speaker 1: on things and we'll be right back with more here
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  Speaker 1: the mosing track of days. At this point, I think
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  Speaker 1: we're on day twelve training camp.
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  Speaker 2: Today is day twelve, and hey, tomorrow is the thirteenth
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  Speaker 2: practice in the end of open practice.
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  Speaker 1: Open practice, and then we have games and soon enough
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  Speaker 1: the season will be here. This is all good things.
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  Speaker 1: Players are out there right now. We're gonna go over
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  Speaker 1: the fifty three. That's where we look at players that
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  Speaker 1: are maybe on the bubble of this team, or players
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  Speaker 1: that need to have a really good training camp if
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  Speaker 1: they want to have a spot, a meaningful place on
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  Speaker 1: this team. As the fifty three begin, we are going
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  Speaker 1: to start with John today. Who did you pick for
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  Speaker 1: the fifty three and who are you looking at to
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  Speaker 1: make a difference for themselves in training camp?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I went to Blake Canson. I don't think the
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  Speaker 3: fact that he's never one in the depth chart means
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  Speaker 3: that he's the guy that, if all things being equal,
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  Speaker 3: would start at left guard.
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  Speaker 1: Right. That's what we mean by the depth chart being
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  Speaker 1: kind of where it's at right now.
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  Speaker 3: But for right now he's there. And I think what's
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  Speaker 3: significant there is you've got Ben Barts, who I think,
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  Speaker 3: when healthy, will come back and be that guy. And
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  Speaker 3: then I think Shatt will go back to being the
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  Speaker 3: swing guy when he becomes healthy. But you need guys
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  Speaker 3: in this league who can be your ninth tenth up
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  Speaker 3: and down from the practice squad guy there if you
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  Speaker 3: need it. And on the offensive line, those guys are very,
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  Speaker 3: very import because if you get an injury or two,
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you look up and that guy's
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  Speaker 3: protecting Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: It certainly seems like out of the abyss that is
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  Speaker 3: the backup offensive lineman, Blake Hants has become the guy
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  Speaker 3: that they feel like, Okay, we can rely on this
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  Speaker 3: in a pinch. And I think if he's not on
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  Speaker 3: the fifty three, I think he's one of those ten
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  Speaker 3: that becomes very important with the practice squad more and
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  Speaker 3: more Brian being being an extension of the roster without
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  Speaker 3: a doubt.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you mentioned I was looking something up
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  Speaker 2: that he's a guy who has played left hand right,
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  Speaker 2: He can play tackle if you need.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So he's a versatile guy and well, he's also
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  Speaker 3: been He's also been around a minute. It's difficult for
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  Speaker 3: rookie free agent offensive lineman to catch on and be
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  Speaker 3: a legitimate seventh guy in your rotation. He's been in camps.
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  Speaker 3: He came into the league in nineteen, so he's more
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  Speaker 3: a grown man with a few years experience, a few
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  Speaker 3: years around the league. Those are usually the guys that
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  Speaker 3: you wants that emergency.
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  Speaker 1: Gay versatility on the offensive line is immeasurable, and to
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  Speaker 1: have the depth that they have on this team, that's
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  Speaker 1: very fortunate. I don't think they're going to go to
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  Speaker 1: waste with that and keep as many as they can.
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  Speaker 2: Right we're seeing it right now. I mean the ability
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  Speaker 2: to plug him in because you're on your essential your
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  Speaker 2: third left guard. Chatley was the backup and Ben Bartch
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  Speaker 2: goes down. Now you've got hands you've got to put in.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Cam Robinson goes down. Last year they put
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  Speaker 2: Walker Little in, and now Cam suspended, Walker Little needs
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: to play. I mean, it's the versatility issue, and it
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: goes back to Phil Rauscher and what a good young
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: line coach he is.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: We complained about a lot of things, but we can't
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: like normally, if you have that kind of injury on
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: your offensive line, you're in a lot of trouble. But
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: fortunately for us, they're able to deep group is a
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: very deep group. So that's a strong suit for this team. Brian,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: who do you have for your player for the fifty
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: three US?
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going with you, Sir Abdullah. You know, third
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: day of the draft pick pass rusher, which everyone is
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: focused on. And I know that there's a lot of
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: angst now that Justin Houston has signed, and there are
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: visits Jami Clowney's in Baltimore today and people are throwing
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: their hands up. So you and I were looking at
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: the numbers yesterday. The Jaguars had thirty five sacks, half
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: of what the Eagles had, who led the league, and
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars were twenty fifth. Let me throw a number
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: at you though, and this is from the Cowboys last year.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: The Dallas Cowboys led the league in pressures right, impacting
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: the quarterback two hundred and seventy one times. Do you
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: know who was where the Jaguars come.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: In pretty high, really high.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: They just weren't two hundred and fifty three third, which
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: means that the Jaguars got good pressure in the quarterback.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Last year they didn't finish, so we're expecting that from
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Trayvon Walker. We hope we see that this year in
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: a varied defense. Josh Allen alluded to that calebon Chay
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Sun's going to have a chance.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen a lot from him on the training
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: camp field, but your syre of Duel is going to
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: have an opportunity in these preseason games to see if
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: he can become that third guy. He was a prolific
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: pass rusher at Louisville to get twenty two or twenty
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: three sacks in two seasons there where he was a starter.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: They need a third pass rusher, a change it up guy.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: And remember he's one of those do a lot of
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: things guys on defense because he's not just unique and Gockway.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: For all of his pass rush prowess, say that three
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: times fast, no, okay. For all that he could do
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: rushing the passer going forward, he was a non factor
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: against the run. He was an effort guy, but he
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: couldn't hold up against the run. This is a guy
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: who can which allows Mike Caldwell to do some different
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: things with him. Bob Sutton and Mike to sit up
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: late at night on Tuesdays and scheme away to get
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: him into the game plan. So I'm watching him really
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: closely this week and against Dallas because they really need
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: a young guy to come through, whether it's him or.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Caleb On and change is necessary. Josh Allen himself is
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: saying they're getting different play calls going in practice and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: what they're doing in training camp. He hopes transitions into
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the games because obviously they struggled with the pass rush
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: last year and he's hoping that the changes will stick.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: So just to connect a couple things real quick. Third
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: most pressures two hundred and fifty three right, Kansas City
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: was second to two fifty five twenty five takeaways, fifth
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: most in the league. The Jaguars are close, right, I
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: mean they're close in Samirius last year. Can they get
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: back to this level but top it off and increase
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the sacks?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And they have to. I will touch on another thing
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: with the sr of Duela. He obviously came out there.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: You know, he's underside this, that and the other. He
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: just seems like he gets it. And I say this
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: from other people's points of view as well, not just
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: my own, but Jeff Logman was talking about it as well.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: He just has the moves, like if something doesn't work,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: he switches so quickly and just comprehends it in a
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: way that not everybody does. Other people have the sheer size,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: maybe they look the part, but the asier has been
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: so quick on the uptake that he sees him as
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: someone that could definitely make an impact.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: John, I don't know if people have had a chance
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: to see it, because the pass rush is so far
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: away from the stands here and it's generally way over
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: in a corner where we're not able to access. You
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: see fifty six a lot. You see him. Yep, he pops.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know that he's always winning, but you see
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: fifty six.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: And if you pop as a rookie just a little bit,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: then you usually come on and you're better as time
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: goes on, because you don't know anything right now if
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: you're a rookie. So that's always encouraging. Just one final
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: point in the defense before we move on. There's sort
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: of a perception among Jaguars fans and maybe I fall
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: into it too. Oh, the offense is good around here,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: in the defense is bad. Like that's sort of what
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: every ozone question is sort of predicated on that they
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: were actually tired for fourth in the league in takeaways
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: last year and twelfth in points allowed, with a first
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: year coordinator and every starter. The only guy they lost
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: is arden Key, and everybody's sort of gnash teeth about that,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: and they didn't want to lose arden but he's the
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: only guy they lost. Well, you can look at that
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: two ways, whether he didn't make it improvements or I
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: get that. Continuity is not as talked about on offense
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: as I mean on defense as it is an offense,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: but it matters, and Josh Allen sure thinks they're going
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: to be better because of continuity. So I don't think
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: this defense is going to be a top three defense
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: that you remember as one of the great defenses of
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: all time. But if it's healthy, I certainly think that
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: it can improve enough to compliment what could be a
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: very good offense.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So I wonder if all the shutdown defense is necessary.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Well, you like to say fans fan an angst is
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: part of being a fan as you look at your team,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: So there's going to be some of that real quick.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: We focus so much on the front right because everyone
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: wants the sack, the strip that kind of thing. But
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: on the back end last year, Darius Williams was fourth
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: in the league, tied for fourth with sixteen passes defense.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: By the way, Sauce Gardner led the league at twenty
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: so not that far off right, and Tyson Campbell was
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: one behind in fifth place for with fifteen and together
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: they were the most productive cornerback tandem in terms of
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: breaking up passes. And by the way, you can say
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the same for the safeties Rayshawn Jenkins and Andre Cisco,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: who had a combined twenty two and were first and
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: third among safeties breaking up passes. So the point being,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the back end was pretty good last year, late better
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: than early. You talk about continuity upfront, they're talking about
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: continuity of the secondary.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: For my pick for the fifty three, we're gonna switch
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to offense really quick. I just want to touch on
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: this a little bit because we've been hearing his name
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: so often. Kevin Austin junior, Kevin Austin was on the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: practice squad last year. He's someone that's really taking advantage
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of the opportunities he's had in camp. You know, his
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: names come up with Trevor, his name's come up with
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Doug and I feel like when you're you know, we
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: can make our observations, but when you're hearing it from
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you know, press sailor from Doug and they're noting them
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: as a person that they're noticing, that's a good sign
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I wonder for Kevin, he really has shown up.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I wonder if he won't have to be a practice
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: squad guy one more year, not that he hasn't improved,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: but only because they still like Tim Jones. Yeah, you're
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: deep there. You have Parker Washington who's making the team.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: So I think it's a good thing. All of a sudden,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: this is a deep team where you're having trouble finding
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: a spot for a kid who probably deserves a spot.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Bro, I'll give you two other guys, Seth Williams from
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Auburn and Jerray Jenkins from LSU. They are a year behind,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: right because Kevin Austin has improved, but they're big, tall
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: receivers with long arms and great leaping ability. They can
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: high point the ball. I think Kevin Austin's a really
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: intriguing player because he was coming on in the practice
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: field last year. Late in the season. He could push
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Tim Jones.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I think also, if he doesn't make the rosters you mentioned,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: he might be someone else. Someone else picks up and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: has a spot for Maybe they're not as deep at
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: wide receiver as the Jaguars are and they give him
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a chance.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Wide receivers and linebackers are contributors on special teams. So
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: let's see what he does in Dallas on Saturday night
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: on spot. That's going to be the differentiating factor for
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the sixth spot.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: We're all wondering what Doug Peterson is going to do
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: in terms of starters on Saturday. We will see how
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: long they are out there. He's running practice today, he's
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: got the visor on, He's ready to go for training camp.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on things. We got a little
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: bit more coming up on jags Am after the break.
• 23:19
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• 23:26
  Speaker 1: We are in the Hyundai studios for you today. Trevor
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: getting some work in as we get one of the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: last Well, I guess more than tense practices were earlier
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: this week. These are a little more run through ESQ
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: before we get to preseason game on Saturday, We're going
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to look around the league. There's some stuff going on.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Justin Houston signing with the Panthers earlier this week, again
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: another pass rusher. We talk about it ad nauseum. They
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: have not brought in a new big name to try
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: to help their own pass rush. Is there anyone left
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: out there that you guys would be interested in bringing
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: in at this point.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: They're all in their early thirties. I'm melvin Ingram in
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Miami last week year had ten sacks. Right. Robert Quinn
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: was a very productive pass rusher for years, but last
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: year did nothing in Philly. Both are thirty three. If
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you want one of those guys.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't followed this as much as fans have
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: because I just don't have a feeling that they're that
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: interested in it. Meaning the Jaguars aren't that interesting. So
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I think they believe that they have young guys who
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: as a group can get pressure, and I think overall
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: they look at that stat Brian throughout his team got
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: pressure on the passer last year. They just can't get sacks,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: got great pressure. I have said for months, I don't
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: think they see this as the same crisis.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: No, that observers did no, and you don't want to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: go throw a lot of money at a thirty three
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: year old in wonder you know if Melvin got ten
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: sacks in Miami, does he have that? Here's what you
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: got going for you this year. I think Roy Robertson Harris.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: At the end of last year, John really came on.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: He was a dominant factor in games in New York
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and against the Chargers.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Devon Hamilton, who didn't start camp on the practice field,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: has been pushing guys around in the middle right. Talk
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: about creating sack opportunities. When the quarterback can't stand in
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: the pocket. Guys like Josh and tray Von or Kaylevon
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: or you see her are going to be able to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: hunt on the edges because the quarterback is looking. So
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons to believe that they will
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: get over the top this year. Of course, people an't
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: gonna believe it until they see it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Be better against the run, get in better pass rushing
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: situations on third down, get leads, and get pass rushing
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: situations late in the game. It's not just to that's
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: usually where good him And why did the Eagles have
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: seventy sacks because they were ahead all the time, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I got sacks late in the game. I'm assume I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: haven't looked at this. That's usually the formula. Teams that
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: have leads are often good pass rushing teams, and.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: That's where we want to be at, playing with big
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: leads and letting the defense go off and do what they.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Need to do.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Another look around the league. We talked a little bit
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: about The Quarterback Show on Netflix earlier this week, but
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Hard Knocks is back on HBO last night. I don't
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: know if you guys got a chance to check it out.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I stayed up late to check it out. I stayed
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: up late because and he gets here so early for
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: training camp, so I feel like it's score lot like
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I stay up late to watch it. But Aaron Rodgers
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: is just interesting in every facet of the game. Did
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you get a chance to check it out? Brent?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I saw little bits and pieces of it. I had
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: chaos going at my house last night. I saw the
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: bit with Sauce Gardner graduating. I really I like him
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: a lot. I spent some time with him in Las
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Vegas last year before the draft. Uh So I focused
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: on him and not only is a great player, but
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: he's a great kid. The Rogers thing, I don't know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: he's weird to me. The Dark Tree, there was a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: couple of psychedelic toad venom.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: They make him a look a lot more normal, which
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I believe he is on the inside, a little bit
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: more normal than he might come across. But there's a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: couple of things where they're at the Hall of Fame
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: game and he's talking to Sauce Gardner, and it's just
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: like the age difference is so it's it's adorable. It's
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: really like them trying to have a conversation, like a
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: kid talking to his dad. Sometimes it's just like there's
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: something lost in translation there.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I like because I'm always fascinated by how much having
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: so much money will allow people to go in terms
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: of personality something else. So I've always liked Aaron Rodgers.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I like somebody who kind of says whatever he thinks,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and I love his own thing. I didn't see that
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: version of Hard Knocks. I don't know how much I'll
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: watch it. I'm not a huge Hard Knocks guy, but
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: people like it. I'm fine with it. I turned it
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: on IM just glad it's not here because you.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: And I talked about watching it so we could talk
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: about it on the show. But I just I'm like John,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I kind of a hard time watching other teams because
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: we live it every day.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: This is true, although it's a good thing that they
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: we don't qualify for Hard Knocks as of right now
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: because the team is good. You know, if you have
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a winning record, you don't have to be on the show.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: They made the Jets be on the the NFL made
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the Jets be on the show. So it's a good
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: thing for us that we're trending upwards.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: There's probably well someone watching this who remembers Jaguar Summer
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that was non HBO. It was NFL Network in two
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: thousand and four. They embedded their cameras with us and
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: spent the entire summer here and did Jaguar Summer, which
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: was Hard Knocks in a year that they didn't have
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Hard Knocks on HBO.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'll have to go look for the throwback. That
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: sounds interesting.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I think the most interesting part was Chris Fuamatu Mafala.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: There's another one to say three times, uh, the the
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Samoan running back from Utah who did a flaming torch
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: dance at a club barbecue out at Hannah Park one night.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It was exhilarating to watch.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: All right, we go. There's a reason to look at
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: that up.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: If you guys like reality, behind the behind the scenes
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: sort of things, definitely want to check that out. We
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: have a little sneak peak of something coming up for
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you after the break as well that if you like
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to see all of the stuff that's going on here
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: at Jags camp in the building in the nec you're
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: gonna get a peek at it. We got a bunch
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of fans out there today, stay with us. I'll give
• 28:46
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• 29:12
  Speaker 2: So what is this for?
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Again? The hut Y series.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So we don't have quarterbacks on Netflix with Trevor Lawrence,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: but you are going to get the hunt for the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: entire twenty twenty three football season. Fans asked for it,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: we are delivering you get the behind the scenes all
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the action for you. Hear that we put together on
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: The Hunt. The latest episode is coming out on Thursday night,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: so look forward to that.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I do watch that and I live that. They do
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: an excellent job with us. Yeah, that's that's our hard knots.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I'll give us a pat on the back. We all
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: do a good job with that and your presence. It's
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: just it brings us all together.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I couldn't do it about your job.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: It's our vibe. We love a vibe, all right. The
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Hunt is back. Training camp is here, preceeds around the corner.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Will be back with you on Thursday morning for jagsam
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: as we preview a little bit of that matchup with Dallas.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Training camp is underway. Thank you for joining us. We
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: will see you again tomorrow morning.