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Rugby Direct - Episode 146 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 2: Yet inside the game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct
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  Speaker 2: with Elliott Smith powered by News Talks EDB.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Access Solutions, elevating you
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  Speaker 3: and your business to a higher level. We've moved on
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  Speaker 3: to Paris. It is the All Blacks who have also
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  Speaker 3: moved on with the third victory of the end of
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  Speaker 3: year tour, adding Ireland to sculpts of England and Japan
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  Speaker 3: and Rugby Direct back to discuss at all. Liam Napier greetings,
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  Speaker 3: bon soir or bon soir is.
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  Speaker 4: I believe you might call it from Paris.
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  Speaker 5: That's air Elliott's bon bons bringing back some special memories.
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  Speaker 5: Scrats have you joining us from Paris.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, maybe you can just clarify for.
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  Speaker 5: The listeners what it is, because I know it's a
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  Speaker 5: tough languages of French.
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  Speaker 6: It's can be tough to get to hit around.
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  Speaker 5: So if you could just clarify that for everyone once
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  Speaker 5: and for all, well.
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  Speaker 4: I think we clarify it fairly well at last year's
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  Speaker 4: World Cup, where you would fear well like taxi drivers
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  Speaker 4: and people restaurant staff with von s and head to
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  Speaker 4: be total was actually bond the phrase for good evening.
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  Speaker 4: But as you said, it is a very tough language
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  Speaker 4: to learn. I know very little, but von versus bond
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  Speaker 4: I do know.
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  Speaker 3: Liam your reaction please All Blacks defeat Ireland twenty three
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  Speaker 3: thirteen in Dublin. They went and as outsiders. I know
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  Speaker 3: last week you picked them to lose. I picked them
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  Speaker 3: to win. They've gone and done the job. What did
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  Speaker 3: you make of the performance in the match itself?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, well it was not often at Elliott you actually
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  Speaker 5: get one over me on the tipping state, so you
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  Speaker 5: save with that and enjoy it. But look, I I
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  Speaker 5: was surprised by a number of aspects of this match.
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  Speaker 5: It come to Ireland's performance in the minutes. But look,
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  Speaker 5: this was an impressive performance from the All Blacks, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 5: If you consider the backdrop, everything was stacked against them,
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  Speaker 5: the six day turnarounds that had a few injuries. They
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  Speaker 5: were unconvincing at Twickenham the previous week got out of
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  Speaker 5: jail with two mischances by George Ford at the death,
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  Speaker 5: so there was a lot of uncertainty. I think surrounding
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  Speaker 5: the All Blacks and the nature of their performances and
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  Speaker 5: the hot and cold nature still there, and so they
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  Speaker 5: had a lot to prove going to Dublin where they
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  Speaker 5: hadn't won in eight years, lost their last two tests
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  Speaker 5: playing the world number one, So a huge scalp for
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  Speaker 5: the All Blacks, the most significant of the year under
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  Speaker 5: Scott Robertson. They've lept to number two in the world
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  Speaker 5: after the weekend's results. Not that that's a huge factor
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  Speaker 5: I think, but the way they closed out that game
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  Speaker 5: very impressive, wasn't it. Their ability to stick to their
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  Speaker 5: game plan. I think they are really developing their identity.
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  Speaker 5: They were brave, courageous. They had to survive a yellow
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  Speaker 5: card to Jordie Barrett's. They got some real payoff the
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  Speaker 5: bench again. They stuck where they're attacking intent, stretching island
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  Speaker 5: wide and finally getting over the line to Will Jordan's.
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  Speaker 5: So some real clutch moments under pressure. It was a
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  Speaker 5: very rusty, clunky performance from Islands. Maybe we get into
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  Speaker 5: where they are at and should it be a big
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  Speaker 5: concern long term for them?
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  Speaker 6: Are they stagnating? Have they peeked?
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  Speaker 5: But look, I think the All Blacks will be massively
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  Speaker 5: boyed by that performance.
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  Speaker 3: Can to get into that a little bit shortly, but
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  Speaker 3: I think the All Blacks will be very boyed by
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  Speaker 3: that performance. The only time they'll really put under pressure
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  Speaker 3: by Ireland was in that stretch just after halftime, when
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  Speaker 3: Jordi Barrett was off the park and Ireland attacked with surreal,
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  Speaker 3: intense and real energy that we didn't see for the
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  Speaker 3: other seventy minutes of the game. They were ferocious at
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  Speaker 3: that point in the time. They did what we knew
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  Speaker 3: and no on Ireland to do in their attacking shape
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  Speaker 3: and attacking formation in recent seasons, and Josh Funderfley got
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  Speaker 3: the rewards there and it felt like that was a
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  Speaker 3: momentum swinger in the game, but it was actually really
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  Speaker 3: just a bullip more than anything. The All Blacks restored
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  Speaker 3: order to their performance shortly after that, when we go
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  Speaker 3: back to fifteen and didn't really have too many issues.
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  Speaker 3: Took a couple of penalty goals to them to get
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  Speaker 3: back in front, and then the Will Jordan tried to
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  Speaker 3: ice it. I guess you look at that and go
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks actually maybe could have even won by
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  Speaker 3: more and been more dominant it was probably Samara scrambled
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  Speaker 3: defense keeping the All Blacks outside the twenty two that
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  Speaker 3: meant that they weren't able to perhaps win by more.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a very good All Black's performance,
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  Speaker 3: the best of the year, and it showed just where
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  Speaker 3: they're heading, I think in terms of knowing that attacking structure,
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  Speaker 3: the way they want to play, and almost you know,
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  Speaker 3: some acceptance that they can't play the style that the
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks have necessarily become accustomed to in recent years
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  Speaker 3: and the way that New Zealanders are ingrained to play
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  Speaker 3: in a DNA. But this was built on a very
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  Speaker 3: good four platform. Didn't always get the rubber the green
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  Speaker 3: around the ruck. I thought there was a Nick Barry
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  Speaker 3: was a bit sluggish there, but I thought from an
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks perspective, that's a performance they can really hang
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  Speaker 3: their hat on. It's the bar for them going forward
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  Speaker 3: and sets up the rest of this tour. Of the
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  Speaker 3: last two games of the year relatively nicely. I think
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  Speaker 3: stand out for me personally the suffer on Laura and
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  Speaker 3: Damian McKenzie, two players that probably wouldn't have been starting
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  Speaker 3: if a Cody Taylor and Bowden Barrett with fit, but
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  Speaker 3: talking about players taking their chances. It was a game
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  Speaker 3: of it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, big time, and those outs for the All Blacks
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  Speaker 5: Boden Barrett and Cody Taylor, two such senior influential figures.
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  Speaker 6: I had big concerns around how the lineout was going
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  Speaker 6: to go.
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  Speaker 5: But it has been a really coming of age two
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  Speaker 5: weeks for so far more, hasn't it. Seventy six odd
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  Speaker 5: minutes at Twicking in the previous week, had a few
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  Speaker 5: lineout yips in the second half there, throwing long three
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  Speaker 5: missed lineouts for the All Blacks.
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  Speaker 6: But to come through this performance pretty much.
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  Speaker 5: An eighty minute effort, He'll take so much out of there,
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  Speaker 5: and damon McKenzie, you know, much moligned, I guess game
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  Speaker 5: management in particular, and for him to stand up kick
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  Speaker 5: eighteen points, you know they had that. He had that
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  Speaker 5: one moment with Will Jordan where it was a bit
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  Speaker 5: of a brain explosion where they put each other on
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  Speaker 5: a massive pressure taking that quick line out.
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  Speaker 6: But aside from that, you know.
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  Speaker 5: He took great options directed to the All Blacks around that.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was his skipball to more that you know,
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  Speaker 5: identified the space and made the most of it. For
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  Speaker 5: Will Jordan's try so another clutch moment there standing up
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  Speaker 5: with his goal kicking, and it really does change the
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  Speaker 5: sort of complexion of the All Black season, but also
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  Speaker 5: their squads and their depths are you know, having been
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  Speaker 5: forced to develop players again through injury. When you think
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  Speaker 5: about Boden Barrett and Cody Taylor probably been available for
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  Speaker 5: this week, then you have got a real conversation a
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  Speaker 5: about who starts attend. But then you think about the
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  Speaker 5: nature of the bench with Armor probably going back to
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  Speaker 5: the bench and bringing on a McKenzie or a Barrett.
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  Speaker 5: And then you think about Patrick Twoplotu and the performances
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  Speaker 5: of offer toing a fussy and Pussileo Tossi off the bench.
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  Speaker 5: So an area for the All Blacks when you think
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  Speaker 5: about the Rugby Championship and the five final quarter fades there,
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  Speaker 5: they really have turned that around in the last couple
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  Speaker 5: of weeks. I know they've got a few injuries this
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  Speaker 5: week with Sam Cain and Mark Tale have been ruled out,
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  Speaker 5: so they have to make some changes. But developing that depth, Elliott,
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  Speaker 5: it really does change the complexion of the squad, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 3: It does because that's what's going to win your World Cup.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty twenty seven is having depth. We know that
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  Speaker 3: the spring Box have been able to achieve with their
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  Speaker 3: depth and where they sit at the moment and the
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  Speaker 3: players that they can call or not only from a
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  Speaker 3: twenty three that starts a game, but from their wider
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  Speaker 3: squad as well of what players with test experience they
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  Speaker 3: can call on. It's always been a strength of previous
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  Speaker 3: All Black sides that have won World Cups and next
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  Speaker 3: man up mentality and having the ability to dip into
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  Speaker 3: that pool and go beyond your first choice fifteen, I
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  Speaker 3: think is really vital. And for someone like a stuff
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  Speaker 3: On Mullie, look at the test starts that he has
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  Speaker 3: had in previous occasions. He's always when he's been in
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  Speaker 3: previously been the third choice hooker. This year he's up
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  Speaker 3: to second, probably only because Sammasoni Takayaho is injured. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's only so much you can learn from
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  Speaker 3: starting and playing big minutes against with all due respect.
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  Speaker 3: You know Fiji, the team that we to San Diego
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  Speaker 3: for them Japan a couple of weeks back. This is
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  Speaker 3: where you earn your bread and butter. Is playing against
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  Speaker 3: the big countries in the world, and he's had two
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  Speaker 3: big weeks. Now we're hopefully it's coming of age moment
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  Speaker 3: because we know what he's been capable of at Super
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  Speaker 3: rugby level and indeed at the NBC level as well.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get onto the changes potentially for this weekend in
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  Speaker 3: a moment or two. I guess you look at that
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  Speaker 3: performance and the one thing I want to touch on
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  Speaker 3: is perhaps if we look at the Irish performance, as
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  Speaker 3: we mentioned before, around that they were a shadow of
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  Speaker 3: what we've seen from them previously. And it wasn't the
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  Speaker 3: Irish that we've become accustomed to, you know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the Iris that split the series, you know against South
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  Speaker 3: Africa midyear and has pushed the All Blacks before. It
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  Speaker 3: felt labored's I don't think I've seen Bundy Rkey play
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  Speaker 3: as poorly against the All Blacks as he did on
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  Speaker 3: the weekend. In fact, he looked tired in all honesty,
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  Speaker 3: and a team that looks a little tired you look
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  Speaker 3: at the players are coming off the bench. Peter Amoney
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  Speaker 3: great warrior in Tess Ruby, but he's played one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and twenty odd Test matches roughly now. Ken Heirley's played
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  Speaker 3: for a number of years well more than a decade
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  Speaker 3: over one hundred tests. Colin Murray still kicking around. Ireland's
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  Speaker 3: had some really real good success at the under twenty
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  Speaker 3: six Nations in recent times, but you don't see that
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  Speaker 3: necessarily coming through. It feels like the same Irish team
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  Speaker 3: which has been around for a few years by Johnny Sexton,
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  Speaker 3: and you know this is only one game, but it
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  Speaker 3: just does feel like maybe there's a bit of regeneration
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  Speaker 3: needed in that team.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally agree, Elliot.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think they looked predictable and we have to
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  Speaker 5: acknowledge they had a couple of big outs too, Ted
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  Speaker 5: Furlong and Dan Shan so two of their starting front row,
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  Speaker 5: and I think we saw that there was some yips
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  Speaker 5: from their lineout and this scrum was pretty much under
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  Speaker 5: pressure throughout that match. I think I've had ethan the
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  Speaker 5: group being involved. They probably could have got stuffed more
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  Speaker 5: at scrum time, but it just looked so orchestrated and
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  Speaker 5: structured and when that doesn't come to fruition for Island,
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  Speaker 5: they don't really know where to go or what to do.
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  Speaker 5: There was a lot of box kicking. They got some
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  Speaker 5: pay at the breakdown, but there was a bit of
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  Speaker 5: a lottery. As you mentioned with Nick, very very scrappy.
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  Speaker 5: Island seemed to be coming in from the side laying
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  Speaker 5: in the ruck a lot of leeway there, so that
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  Speaker 5: contributed to a pretty ugly spectacle on the whole. You know,
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  Speaker 5: Cam sorry, Cortes Rasma was under massive pressure for the
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  Speaker 5: All Blacks, but for Ireland. Yeah, where is the next
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  Speaker 5: generation coming from? This is a team that has been
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  Speaker 5: around a long time. We do have to be careful
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  Speaker 5: not to read into one performance too much. Ireland haven't
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  Speaker 5: played since July, but they had everything in their favor.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they're at home. This was they made a
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  Speaker 5: big deal of playing on the Friday night lights. They
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  Speaker 5: were hell bent on redemption because of the World Cup
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  Speaker 5: quarterfinal last year.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to avenge that result.
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  Speaker 5: It was all set up for them and they completely flopped.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't really put the All Blacks under a great
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  Speaker 5: deal of pressure from my perspective, and are now looking.
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  Speaker 6: At playing Argentina this weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Who an Argentinian team that's already had some big scalps.
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  Speaker 5: So now Islands. It's amazing how one result can rarely
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  Speaker 5: flip the script. Yeah, they had really looked like duds.
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  Speaker 5: You moved on from that World Cup quarter final with
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  Speaker 5: what they did in South Africa and Johnny Sexton's out
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  Speaker 5: hadn't been so big for them, but this was a
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  Speaker 5: performance that will spark a lot of concern for them.
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  Speaker 7: I think I think it will too.
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  Speaker 3: And looking at the teens I'm not convinced by either
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  Speaker 3: of them that played on the weekend. I thought they
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  Speaker 3: were labored at times. Karan Frawley doesn't fill me with
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  Speaker 3: a lot of confidence. He counts for the bench, made
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  Speaker 3: a none braveras so. You know, it's hard replacing legacy
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  Speaker 3: teams like Johnny Sexton. You many international teams have been
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  Speaker 3: through it, but there might have been a trial in
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  Speaker 3: an era before they settle on that Liam. If we're
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  Speaker 3: looking ahead to this weekend France and started to France,
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  Speaker 3: the area that the All Blacks know well, a venue
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks know well. Lost a World Cup final
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  Speaker 3: there just over a year ago. Now lost to France
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  Speaker 3: on the opening game of that World Cup as well,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of water going under the bridge since then,
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  Speaker 3: France beating Japan earlier in the weekend as well. Where
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  Speaker 3: do you see this game going over the weekend and
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  Speaker 3: can the all blacks make it for in a role
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  Speaker 3: on this end of view tour.
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  Speaker 5: What a result that would be given the expectations coming
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  Speaker 5: into this too. I think both of us predicted they
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  Speaker 5: would win four or five, but that was very optimistic
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  Speaker 5: based on what had happened this year. But if we
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  Speaker 5: look at France, dress and foremost, it's quite hard to
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  Speaker 5: get a gauge on them, and it's a bit of
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  Speaker 5: a tied serio type of unpredictable French. But if you
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  Speaker 5: look at France following their World Cup quarterfinal weexit, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if they've truly got an over that yet.
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  Speaker 5: A home World cut for them, everything was set up
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  Speaker 5: and they came into that with great form, but you
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  Speaker 5: know that the life was sucked out of that tournament
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  Speaker 5: when they lost to South Africa by one point. Then
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  Speaker 5: in July they go out to Argentina with a second
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  Speaker 5: string team and have a number of off field issues there.
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  Speaker 5: They split that series one one. They go back into
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  Speaker 5: the top fourteen. They will get Antonto Palm back, which
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  Speaker 5: is massive for them. I know his first match back
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  Speaker 5: in the top fourteen, he scored three tries off the bench,
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  Speaker 5: so all eyes on him. But I think there are
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  Speaker 5: a few question marks about where France are at. I
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  Speaker 5: think they spanked Japan last weekend, but how much can
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  Speaker 5: you take out of that performance given where Japan are at,
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  Speaker 5: so hard to know what to expect from the French
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  Speaker 5: that the All Blacks I think they'll have to you know,
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  Speaker 5: they will be starting to feel the effects of a
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  Speaker 5: big season.
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  Speaker 6: With Sam Cain and Mark Talaire out. There be a
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  Speaker 6: couple of changes.
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  Speaker 5: You'd expect probably Ardie Severe to go to seven and
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  Speaker 5: Wallace is teased to eight. Maybe some of Penny Female
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  Speaker 5: comes in at six. I think it's good recognition for
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  Speaker 5: Carefi to come into that squad on the right wing.
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  Speaker 5: You'd expects of Reice to come in, so pretty seamless
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  Speaker 5: changes to a degree for the All Blacks, they will
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  Speaker 5: have to come down from that Irish performance. There'll be
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  Speaker 5: Bassard's because of the nature of England Island back to
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  Speaker 5: back and then France. It's a massive three weeks, so
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  Speaker 5: there will be a bit of tweaking needed in that squad.
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  Speaker 5: But look, it'd be hard not to back the All
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  Speaker 5: Blacks to get up this week, I think, But it's
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  Speaker 5: just it's quite hard to know which French team will
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  Speaker 5: turn up.
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  Speaker 7: Indeed it is Liam. Give us a prediction. Do they
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  Speaker 7: win this weekend?
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  Speaker 6: I will top the All Blacks this sweek Elliott's.
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  Speaker 5: I think they'll have a lot of confidence and belief
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  Speaker 5: based on what's happened the past two weeks. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they've had a tough year. It's been a bit of
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  Speaker 5: a roller coaster. Scott Robinson his first year, a lot
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  Speaker 5: of change and the coaching team and the structures. But
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  Speaker 5: I do think, like you mentioned before, they've starting to
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  Speaker 5: come to grips with their identity, with the way they
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  Speaker 5: want to play, with the way they close out matches.
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  Speaker 5: So I think that there's a lot that they can
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  Speaker 5: carry through to this week. Playing these European nations at home,
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  Speaker 5: you do have to be careful because France are a
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  Speaker 5: team that can go bang bang, and then the crowd
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  Speaker 5: gets involved and it's very hard to get their momentum back.
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  Speaker 6: But a Field Blacks can stay in the fights.
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  Speaker 5: We talked about their bench before and their game management's improving.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I am going to tip them too one this week.
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  Speaker 3: I suggested that they've beat England and I and they
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  Speaker 3: lose to France, So I'm not going to deviate from that,
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  Speaker 3: but I hope the All Blacks get the job done
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  Speaker 3: at Start Defrance this weekend. Let's talk about the remainder
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  Speaker 3: of the games over the course of the weekend. What
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  Speaker 3: stood out for you. I don't want to run through
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  Speaker 3: every game because I'm sure that everyone's probably done to
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  Speaker 3: death or webit on some of those games. What the
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  Speaker 3: key things that stood out to you from the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the weekend.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard to go past the Wallabies, isn't it. What
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  Speaker 5: a stunning result for them and much needed for Australian rugby,
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  Speaker 5: and in particular just Joseph suweer Lee's debut. I think
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  Speaker 5: expectations when he's come over from the NRL only a
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  Speaker 5: matter of weeks ago, really that maybe he might get
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  Speaker 5: one Test cap off the bench on the spring tour.
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  Speaker 5: Question marks about you know, whether he would even get that,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: whether he was just a bit of a project player.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: Take him into the squad lo and Beholds throws him
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: into start in the midfield at Twickenham against England, up
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: against Olli Lawrence, very established Test midfield and what a
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: stunning debut.
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: Just his confidence to walk onto that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: Stage, his breadth of skill and what a result for
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: the Wallabies to pull that out of the bag in
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: the eighty fourth minute.
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: I think it was trying the corner. There was a.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Crazy sort of game England one lost, it lost, it
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: won and that's such a big result for Joe Schmitt's Wallabies.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: But also what a weekend for Southern Hemisphere rugby.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Just a reminder that's I guess that the tide cliche
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: that Super rugby is terrible and preparing players for the
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Test scene maybe doesn't align. You know, there is a
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: lot in the fact that the Northern Hemisphere has starting
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: their season and the Southern's battle hardened. But it is
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: a reminder of where Test rugby's as the closeness of
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: the top sort of five nations in the world in particular,
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: So a real philip for the for the Southern Hemisphere.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it is hard to go past that gave it
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: twiket and it was remarkable one of the best rugby
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: games I've seen in some time. For England to score
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: thirty seven points at Twickenham and not come away with
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the win was crazy. It looked at one point but
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: felt like England were about to kick away, but the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Warby's just managed to stay with them right until the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: very end and quite the finish that it was. Max
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Jorgenson looks like a real player of promise. Leniki Tower
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: as well, combining with Suwa lee Ian midfield Eki inexplicably
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: not wanted by Eddie Jones for the end of the year.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Sorry for the Rugy Will Cup last year. Despite the victor,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: he's probably, you know, one of the Wallaby's best. Just
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: completely put him in the arter and he laid on
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: that ball to Max Jorginson. That sorted the mat with
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: that end of match winning try. So you've got to
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: give credit to Leniky Tower as well, and no credit.
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: To Eddie Jones.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Right, let's move on before we wrap up the first
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: time for the podcast. Super Rugby squads have just been announced, Leam.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I guess a couple of we surprises, but nothing made
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: sure in there.
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: I guess not revealed this that there's been a bit
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: of oil around you.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I've been pushed to Meg as well that the Hurricanes
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: were poised to land in All Blacks ten. The name
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: attached was Stephen Petafetta. Now I know that you explored
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: it with the Hurricanes and was told there was no
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: truth in it. Lo and behold the team's come out today.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: He's not in the Hurricanes team. They've got Riley haul Heepper.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: But you know, rumors are always abound before the Super
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Rugby squad namings. What stood out to you from some
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: of those squads that have been announced today.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: They're no great surprises out the LA and that seems
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: to be the case of Super rugby squads these days.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Most of the headline signings are announced ahead of time.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Now we knew Boden Barrett was coming back from Japan
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: to the Blues.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: We knew Ardie Severe was going.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: From the Hurricanes to Moana Pacifica, So most of the
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: big takeaways they're out there. I think the Warrior Cars
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: have recruited really well after the demise of the Melwoyn Rebels,
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: number of Wallabies going there. But yeah, the Hurricanes could
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: be a wee bit of a tough year. They're going
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: to have to cover Jordie Barrett who's going up to Ireland.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Artie's gone, although their loose forward stocks are pretty well
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: looking pretty good and Brick Cameron injured for the year,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: so Reuben Love maybe have to slop sloting at ten.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: The Hurricanes pick up Crusaders, great Riley Hohaper, so big, big.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Recruit for them.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: And what about your your Crusaders, how do you see
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: them shaping that?
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Look I've seen you're wearing a Christian Callum Hurricanes tribute,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Jerzy make room for a Riley Hall h Hooper one, come
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: lead you to the Promised Land. Look the Crusaders. You're
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: looking at the squad really stable by and large. There's
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: not a lot of of new names coming in. There's
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: kerschil Sykes Martin who's played a lot of rugby for
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the Crusaders, already gets his first contract, Antonio Shelfun, Fletcher Anderson,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: all of debut for the Crusaders before. The ones that
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: stand out for me a couple of the new faces
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: who have played under twenties, like the Xavier Sipher Louis
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: from wikatsu Aki Toevolala from Miakotzo. A couple of young,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: really promising players. They've now Kyle Preston from Wellington as well,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: who had a really good m PC season as their
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: half back, so standing up for them.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: The one that sort of got under the radar is.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: All Blacks fifteen hooker and according to the All Blacks
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: last week Brody McAllister switching from the Crusaders to the Chiefs.
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: Don't think then he expected that.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I guess there was a bit of logjam George Bell
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Body Taylor at the Crusaders questions about how much game
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: time he get next year. I suppose he goes up
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: to the Chiefs and he's going to be playing a
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: fit again. SAMASONI Takah Bradley Slay sag to me buying
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: against those two for a selection. But they're now without
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Tyrone Thompson who's gone abroad to play NRL. So that's
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: a sneaky we move. But as you say, not that
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the days of the old sub rugby squads we did
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: see unheralded players and unexpected signings across the country.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: No, we don't see that these days do But might
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: have to have a word with Preston. He had a
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: great year for Wellington and it's got to be sacrilege,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: doesn't it go from the Capitol to christ Church. Can't
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: sign that one up, so sign that one off. So
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: good pick up for the Crusaders. But do you see
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: that landscape being shaked up? Shaked up much after what
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: happened last year?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I think the power base of super Roby will remain
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: in the top half of the North Fire. I'm just
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: looking at the squads. Auckland very very settled with the
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: names that they have got, the lot of the championship
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: winning team back again. The Chiefs, who were runners up,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: of course, have got a lot of players as the Hurricanes,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: as you touched on, relatively unsettled with the players that
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: have departed from their camp, so a big loss for them.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: The Highlanders, I look at that and go, perhaps not
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: enough change. There's a few new players in there. They've
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: got Taylor Pungy Toll out of the Blues. You know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Van Hurley gets his first contract couple of out of
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: the Bay of Plenty as well. I would have liked
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to do and pledge your young New Zealand and twenties
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: half bet get a run, but he's not in the
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: mix for them there, so maybe a little bit more
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: needed to change there. And Mowana, you know, the standout
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: signing for them is obviously Ardie Savia coming in and
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: taking the chocolates there.
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: So hard to see too much of a shake up.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: What so you yeah, I think it's the Blues and
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Chiefs are still very stacked aren't they. You might I'd
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: expect advancedly improve performance from the Crusaders that have a
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: lot to prove under they're they're great mentor Rob Penny,
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: But no, I think it will be the traditional powers,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: maybe with the Hurricanes coming back to the pack a
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: little bit with those outs. But as you mentioned, there's
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Jamie Joseph coming into the Hondas. It's going to be
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: a pretty tough slog for him. He's got some some
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: good young talent. He'll be leaning on the likes of
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Fabian Holland. So good to see him get called into
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: the All Blacks last week after starring for the All
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Blacks fifteen. But not too many headline recruits for the Landers, unfortunately.
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: No, unfortunately not.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break here on Rugby Direct gets
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: back into our final four after this.
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  Speaker 3: You're back with Rugby Direct. Time now for the final
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: four on the podcast. Let's dig into it. Lim you
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: support some of the changes, hopefully all excite for Paris
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: this week. We heard earlier today Sam Came Matt Talia
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: both ruled out with injury. You gave the thought that
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: maybe Adi Savi goes to seven female at blindside and
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Stiti at eight.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: Do you see any other possibilities?
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I guess they could go to Provi on the blind
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: side potentially, or maybe keeps the td A blindside, Peter
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: luck Eye open side severe at number eight. Well.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: Very interested to see how that loose board trio shakes
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: down Elliott because that is going to be a peek
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: into the future. Not too sure whether Sam Came will return,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: perhaps for the final tour match against Italy, a bit
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: of a sendoff that would be for him, but very
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: much a peek into the future this week if they
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: do go Sitsi at eight, and I'd love to see
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: it because you've been calling for it all year. Some
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: open he's been coming off the bench. I think he's
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: deserving of a start at blind side. He's been in
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: that tour squad since Japan. So interesting to see which
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: way they go there and the makeup of the bench.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Maybe they bring carefe in, maybe they promote Peter Lukeye.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Not too sure what about in the back line and
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Ethan de Grew as well, he's been out in the
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: cold since the off field issue that started the tour
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: when he was part of that advanced party that left
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: from Japan couldn't get a look in. Last week, Scott
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Robertson said that was a performance issue with Mighty Williams
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: starting and offered to and it's fussy performing well off
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: the bench. I think he posted something on Instagrams today
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: saying get better, not better. Do you see Big Ethan
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: getting another chance anytime soon?
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I think I think I may have a look at
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: that switching those two around. Look, I wouldn't touch off
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: a tour a Fassi. I think he's been the unsung
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: hero for the All Blacks in that bench role, coming
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: in playing the last half hour or thereabouts of test matches,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: so I'd stick with him. I think maybe this week
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: you go back to Groot having served his penance to
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Mighty Williams, had a couple of good games without being
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: perhaps spectacular. The scrum has probably been a bit besa once.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: The reserves have come on in the last couple of weeks,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: so I'd be comfortable seeing de group maybe come back
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: in for this week. Right Wing seems pretty set up
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: for Sevu Reese to take that spot. You know, that
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: could maybe go a Reuben Love potentially, but I think
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: it's more out of the box. I mean lamb which
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: you are all that shaffie hockey coming straight back and
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: straight into the run on side.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: Well, wow, Elliott. I think.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Chris Rass built up a bit of good will again,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: hasn't he with the results on the field. But it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: fortunate because I think fee hockey selection he's in danger
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: of losing the room, to be honest, because for me
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: that just smacks of crusaders bias. There's been a number
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: of great performing outside backs and he's on a rugby
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: and when we discussed it earlier in the year, you
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: sort of fobbed it often. Yeah, you know, he's just
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: coming in to hold some tackle bags. It's not really
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: an indication of the pecking order. It doesn't mean a lot,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: you know, money that I has got to play this
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: weekend or I can't remember the timing of the NPC's schedule.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: But you're telling me not to read too much into
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: the selection. But here he is low and behold now
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: he's in the squads. What say you of free Harky's inclusion.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I think they're saying perhaps a little bit more from
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: feeharky than the general populace.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: Look, I think he's a promising player.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Hasn't certainly got to the point that you'd say he's
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: ready to play test rugby. You look at that All
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Blacks fifteen and probably didn't stand out too much of
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: the quintupliers. That a little bit of reinvention of himself.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: He played a bit of wing on the weekend. Maybe
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: he could have looked at someone like him to come
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: into the mix as well. Yeah, it's an interesting one. Look,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know that he'd be the player I call
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: him next, But you know, Razer, as you said, has
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: got some good will at the moment, and everything he's
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: touched at the moment is turning to gold. So maybe
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: fie Hacke's points for a breakout game at Start de
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: France and you'll be using your words next week on
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: the podcast.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, let's see, look what one position we haven't
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: touched on here. Damien McKenzie obviously came in and really
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: his best test performance at ten in his career by
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: quite some distance.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: Boden Barrett seems like.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Likely to be available this week, So who starts at ten?
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: I think Boden Barrett.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: It's still shaped though a guy and with prior to
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: that Test match, Damien McKenzie was excellent, kept the majority
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: of his goals, lead the team around the park really
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: really well. As you say, it was mature as sure
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: performance from Damien McKenzie. But they made that switch for
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: a reason to put Boden Barrett there. What I think
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: you've done now is just given McKenzie that confidence to
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: close out test matches like that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: I'd be reverting back to Boden Barrett.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so too.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: I think Boden wasn't dropped for performance reasons, so.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: You'd go back to them based on that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: And if you do go back to Boden this week,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: then you could start McKenzie the following week against Italy
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: and then they've each had a crack Kevin made with
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: McKenzie starting against Japan, Boden against England's McKenzie against Ireland
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: potentially voting against France, and McKenzie against Italy. So it
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: gives them both some real time in the settle and
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: that's that's quite a nice way to manage it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: So interesting to see watch way they go.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So should Warren Gatland be sent packing as well as
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: coach ten straight defeats from the Men from the Valleys.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: There's a time for Warren Ball to be sent to
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the graveyard.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't have hired Warren in the first place, Elliott,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: based on a number of different reasons. I think you
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: and I are both on the same page that I
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: think the Games moved on from Warren he went back.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: I think it was a bad decision. You know, he
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: had established a very good legacy with Wales. The one
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: thing I would say is the game in Wales is
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: a number of challenges. Financially they're trying to rebuild their
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: depth as well.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: But yeah, this was a bad loss at home for Wales.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: I think it was their first time losing the Fiji
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: in twenty thirty years.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: It was a different Fiji inside.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: They got the use of the European bass players who
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: made a big impact in their performance, but they also
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: had a number of cards Fiji, so Wales couldn't exploit that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: They made a bizarre selection change with putting a half
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: back to the wing and that sort of backside for
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: them as well. So not great tactically in the coaching box.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure quite what happened there but Warren under
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: massiveppreciate ten straight losses and it doesn't get any easier
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: for them this week, so he will be very grumpy Gatsats.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I would stick with him on the basis that I
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: don't think they can afford to pay him out. As
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: you said, major challenges for Wales rugby at the moment.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: There are some promising young players, but I don't think
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: this generation is going to go to the promised Land.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know that Warren Gatland is the man to
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: lead them there, but I think by turfing him now,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure who you'd go to on the market.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Maybe Elam McDonald or someone like that, but you know
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: they're few and far between, and I don't know that
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: it's worth the pain of paying out Warren Gatland for
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: what you get in in return having to start from scratch,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: So I think they're stuck with him for better or worse,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: and at this point it will like it's going to
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: be worse, and you know, God for bid, tails up
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Wallaby Side heading to Cardiff this week could be very
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: very interesting.
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: Based on squads alone.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Give me the finishing order of the New Zealand Super
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Besides for twenty twenty five, Liam and we're going to
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: include Mowanna and there as well, so.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Six all right, we're going Blues to go back to
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: back Elliots. The Chiefs number two a bit of a
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: heart prediction here with the Canes coming on at three.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: I did have your Crusaders last, but I've decided to
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: bump them up a couple of spots to four, Landers
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: and fifth and Mowana's a round out. That's New Zealand
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: top six Elliotts.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: My top two is the same Blues and Chiefs Crusaders' thirds.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: They're coming back. I like the stability. Rob Penny will
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: have learned a lot from the first season. Canes in fourth,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I think losing the best player in their Ford's best
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: player in their backs is a big blow for them,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: as well as not having perhaps the first choice ten. Evidently,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I'm going Malwana in fifth. I think they'll get a
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: bit of a bump from Marty and then I'm going
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: to Highlanders in sixth to have a tough year of
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: it once again. Unfortunately for our friends in the South.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Jamie Joseph will do some things good for them, but
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: there's only so much I think you can ring out
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: of that squad. In a final topic in the final four,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: who wins the remainder of the fixtures this weekend? Let's
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: run through them. Liam Island Argentina Friday night local time
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: in Dublin.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: You know what, earlier, I'm gonna normally go with the faves.
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  Speaker 5: It's I get a lot of stick for that with
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  Speaker 5: the mateset, so when it comes to punting, so I'm
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: gonna go a bit of an upset here. I think
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  Speaker 5: the Pumas they'll strike Island at a good time. Island
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  Speaker 5: still number of injuries in their front row, so a
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  Speaker 5: big up step for the Pumas on the way.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to say that the Irish bounce back
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  Speaker 3: this week Scotland and Portugal at murray Field Saturday afternoon
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  Speaker 3: local time.
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  Speaker 7: To Portugal pull off a big old upset.
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  Speaker 6: No they do not.
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  Speaker 5: But it is good to see them getting some proper fixtures,
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  Speaker 5: isn't it. They've been a big mover in recent years,
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  Speaker 5: so great to see them playing top ten nations and
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: getting that exposure that I guess ted two nations need.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't see that happening either.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: England South Africa Twickenham, Saturday afternoon. Do England's troubles continue
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: or can they land a blow on the World champions.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: The box wore further heat misery on Stee Both books
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: England and it's amazing how the complexion of the English
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: has changed, isn't it. They came out here in July
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: and could a water should have beaten the All Blacks.
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  Speaker 5: A couple of coaching changes, a couple of blowouts in
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: the final moments of tests against the Wallabies and the
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: All Blacks, and they could be zero to three to
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  Speaker 5: start their Northern tour.
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  Speaker 7: I reckon South Africa when just give us the aid
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  Speaker 7: and o bench us. See.
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  Speaker 3: I know you want to do it. I know you
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  Speaker 3: want to do it. Just go out this week you
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: can give it eight and no why not? Italy Georgia
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday afternoon here in Europe. Interesting one. Italy were
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: very poor against Argentina. Georgia battle hardened a bit by
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: playing the All Blacks fifteen.
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  Speaker 7: What do you reckon?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that match against for Georgia should help them. But look,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: I think the Italians will bounce back. My homelands don't
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  Speaker 5: know too much French Elliott, but the Italian's strong, so look,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: they'll they'll they'll do it my homeland, all right.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: And final topic or final game rather wells Australia in
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Cardiff the final game of the autumnation series round. Does
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Australia's quest for a Grand Slam roman on track? Or
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: does Gats stop the rot at ten.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: So you can't go past the Wallaby's they'll ride that
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: high from talking them all the way down the m
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  Speaker 5: one and.
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  Speaker 6: It gets under under pressure Earliot.
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  Speaker 3: As long as I haven't been riding that high too much.
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  Speaker 3: That is the one thing I do worry about the way.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Who's backing it up? You know what I'm going to say,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Wales will get the win over Australia, because who doesn't
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: love a contrast of beating England at Twickenham then losing
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: to god.
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  Speaker 7: Or for Wales side a week later.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: That'll do us for rugby directs from Paris for another week.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: We will catch you again in seven days or thereabouts.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Time is the All Blacks contemplate their final match of
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the year. Lim It's been a pleasure as always.
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  Speaker 5: It is indeed, Ellie, enjoy your week in Paris, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: just remember it's Boni, not Boni.
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  Speaker 7: I say that I'm in strife. We will catch you
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  Speaker 7: next week here a.
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