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JFK ASSASSINATION - EP. 318 - Live From Lancer 2024 · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Do you think I'm gomost? Stop eating for me? All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: You remember like Bob.
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  Speaker 1: Clark, Rob Clark, Jeb Bordelli.
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  Speaker 1: The heart of Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: that right now, on with the show. Here's Joe b
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  Speaker 3: and the Triple b Hey and you Dene house things
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  Speaker 3: in Texas.
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  Speaker 4: Everything is going to hail down here in.
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  Speaker 1: The Fat Chef je.
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  Speaker 6: Joe Changer.
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  Speaker 7: And you we go, and here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go, folks, welcome into episode number three hundred
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  Speaker 2: and eighteen of the Quick Loan Hits Guman podcast. Along
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  Speaker 2: with me as usual, heard to Clam himself Joe Brelli.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone fortunately is not injured or intoxicated this evening. So
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  Speaker 2: bravo Joe, bravo.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you, sir, Thank you, sir. It was hard to
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  Speaker 7: disdain from both of those things.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, here we are. He may be high, but I'll
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  Speaker 2: get that. And along with us a special guest right
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  Speaker 2: off the rip, mister Doug Campbell of the Dallas Action
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  Speaker 2: and Quick Hits podcast that he does with Old Bob Clark.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome Doug, Hello, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, gentlemen for welcome welcoming me to
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  Speaker 1: your fine broadcast. Rob my partner, my homie. What's up, bro?
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  Speaker 2: Any chance that we get to do a show together.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna do it, brother, We're gonna do it right, man.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and we got the perfect setup right here to
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  Speaker 1: do this. You know. Uh man, it's awesome, it's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to see you. We didn't get to didn't
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  Speaker 1: get to do the last Quick HiT's like we wanted.
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  Speaker 1: But call my fault, but we'll get to it.
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  Speaker 2: It's just postponed a little bit, folks, but it'll come.
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  Speaker 2: I know Uncle Dave all worried about you, and everybody's
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  Speaker 2: what what's going on with Doug? What don't you pay
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  Speaker 2: attention to? What the man's busy? He turned out an
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  Speaker 2: a A r C episode exclusive to them that you
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  Speaker 2: can go check out on a r clibrary dot org.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it is. Is that the right address?
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  Speaker 1: Doud uh, yes, sir a A r C library dot org. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is the Assassin Ancient Archives and Research Center. My
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  Speaker 1: dear friend, our dear friend, Alan Dale, asked me to
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  Speaker 1: participate in a online lecture series commemorative lecture series for
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  Speaker 1: the sixty first anniversary, and I was happy to oblige.
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  Speaker 1: I put together a it's kind of a and different
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  Speaker 1: people are doing it. I know some some some names
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  Speaker 1: that people are familiar with, like Pat Spear, Larry Hancock
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  Speaker 1: of other people that I can't think of right now
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  Speaker 1: are doing but it's basically never heard of these guys.
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  Speaker 1: But it's it's cool. It's it's a lecture series, audio recording,
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  Speaker 1: you know, of a presentation accompanied by a written transcript
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  Speaker 1: of the thing. And it was pretty easy for me.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty much what I do with the Dallas Action,
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  Speaker 1: so excuse me. And what I what I wanted to do,
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  Speaker 1: what I had planned on doing, was going back and
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  Speaker 1: repurposing an old episode of the Dallas Action that I
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  Speaker 1: thought was worthy of repurposing and representing right and I
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  Speaker 1: picked one that had the same title essentially and some
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  Speaker 1: of the same characters individuals involved mentioned and I meant
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  Speaker 1: to repurpose it, but it turned into an entirely different presentation,
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  Speaker 1: like a totally different piece, which was was was fine.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's great.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed writing it and turned out pretty good, I think,
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  Speaker 1: And thank you to Alan. But guys, you guys go
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  Speaker 1: to a a RC library dot org and maybe our
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  Speaker 1: friends here Joe and robbel put that link in the
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  Speaker 1: comments down here for you. But check it out. There's
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of good work up there already. There's
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  Speaker 1: a link to the YouTube. It's on YouTube. You can
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  Speaker 1: listen and also like hit the button and read along.
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  Speaker 1: You know, some good working. More stuff still going up, actually,
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  Speaker 1: Alan's putting more and more stuff up there.
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  Speaker 2: And not that I'm biased Journey, but yours is my
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  Speaker 2: favorite you know so.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for saying so, mister Clark, Big Bad Bob.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy subject matter and just the whole damn delivery of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's fantastic. So if you haven't checked it out yet,
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  Speaker 2: head over to aa rclibrary dot org and yeah, we'll
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  Speaker 2: add the link into the description after the show. I
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  Speaker 2: forgot to put it in there.
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  Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun writing it, man. It
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  Speaker 1: like I say, I thought it was going to be
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  Speaker 1: a repurposed, repackaged thing that it turned into something different.
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  Speaker 1: What I focused on was in nineteen in late March
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  Speaker 1: early April of sixty three, as a result of like
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  Speaker 1: a reaction to some off the book's raids, right raidsed
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  Speaker 1: by Alpha sixty six Commando Zel, the Kennedy Administration, the
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  Speaker 1: Justice Department, President Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, they drew up a
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  Speaker 1: list of the autonomous anti castro operators that were causing
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  Speaker 1: the most headache, right, I guess. And there was a
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  Speaker 1: list of initially eighteen individuals. Well four or five of
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  Speaker 1: these individuals were later, through different circumstances, tied or connected to,
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  Speaker 1: or alleged to have been involved in, or alleged to
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  Speaker 1: have confessed to have been involved in the assassination of
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  Speaker 1: people like Tony Suesta, who he confessed knowledge, right, but
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  Speaker 1: he never actually confessed involvement. Tony Suista, Felipevide, Santiago, Pedro
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  Speaker 1: Diaz Lands. And there was one more in there that
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  Speaker 1: I wrote.
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  Speaker 2: Who was it, Lauren Hall? Are you talking about it?
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  Speaker 2: Just anti cancer Cubans?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, anti Castro Cubans who were who were on
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  Speaker 8: this list of you know, Cuban exiles who were autonomous
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  Speaker 8: and getting private funding for raids, who were not official
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  Speaker 8: c i A.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. They were They were the troublemakers.
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  Speaker 1: They were the guys going out and doing these unsanctioned
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  Speaker 1: raids and and and doing things like sinking the Baku
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  Speaker 1: that that showed the Soviet ship and attacked there was
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  Speaker 1: that there was an attack on one called the lug
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  Speaker 1: Of I think in uh April, not April, it was earlier,
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  Speaker 1: like February maybe of sixty three, but just basically gonna
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  Speaker 1: be in a pain in President Kennedy's ass, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, starting starting to World War three down there doing
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  Speaker 2: some dumb shit, you know me, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And and and oddly enough, some of these
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  Speaker 1: anti Castro exiles were uh that were that were on
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  Speaker 1: this list that were shut down, and they had what
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  Speaker 1: they called the preventive notice of prevention of departure. Right
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  Speaker 1: if they were listed as being a resident of Dade County,
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  Speaker 1: for example, and uh they got caught outside of Daye County,
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  Speaker 1: they could go to jail. You know. They were really
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  Speaker 1: really intent on clamping down on these certain you know, which,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, initially it was a list of eighteen
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  Speaker 1: anti Castro exiles who weren't necessarily under the control of
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  Speaker 1: CIA or even army intelligence, you know. And one of
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  Speaker 1: those happened to be Felipe beat Out Santiago, and I
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  Speaker 1: included him because, as I said in the piece, I'm
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  Speaker 1: convinced of very little after all this time study and
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  Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, I'm convinced of very very few things.
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  Speaker 1: One of them is that Oswald was not guilty of
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  Speaker 1: the murder of the president, and there are a couple
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  Speaker 1: of other things. I'm convinced that a guy named John
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  Speaker 1: Martino was involved, and I am absolutely convinced that Felipe
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  Speaker 1: Vino Santiago was involved and is the guy we know
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  Speaker 1: is dark complexed man in Didi Plaza, and he was
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  Speaker 1: one of these guys who were on this list of
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  Speaker 1: anti Castro exiles shut down by the Kennedy Justice Department.
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  Speaker 1: And the point I was sort of making in this
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  Speaker 1: this piece is that they had an incredible amount of motive,
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  Speaker 1: you know, resentment and not necessarily that I think all
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  Speaker 1: of them were involved, But were they motivated enough, uh
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  Speaker 1: with with the anger and the resentment and being shut
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  Speaker 1: down and having their guns?
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  Speaker 2: Well sometimes, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, That's what I'm saying. And dude, for real, that's
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  Speaker 1: you know, That's kind of the point is like they're
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  Speaker 1: the most likely to go rogue in the sense that
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  Speaker 1: if someone higher up, like a a rogue CIA officer
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  Speaker 1: for example, or two one or two, or a rogue
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  Speaker 1: Army intelligence officer, were to offer them an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: get that revenge to take care of this problem they
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  Speaker 1: have with with John Kennedy, right, if they were offered
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity to do so with cover, with support these
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  Speaker 1: tactical guys, would they avail themselves of the opportunity? And
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  Speaker 1: I got most likely to go rogue? I think they
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  Speaker 1: had as much motive as anybody else to want to
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  Speaker 1: participate in an operation like that, you know, so and
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  Speaker 1: that's the only point. I'm not saying I've got it
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  Speaker 1: figured out and these are the guys and this is
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  Speaker 1: the guy. You know. I'm just pointing it out.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great jumping off point, for sure. So let's
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  Speaker 2: get into where you folks are at. I am not,
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  Speaker 2: but you folks are in Dallas this weekend. Lancer kicked
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  Speaker 2: off today. So Joe, how was your flight down and
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  Speaker 2: how's your time been in Dallas so far?
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  Speaker 7: My friend, it has been really relaxing and fun so far.
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  Speaker 7: So I flew down on Thursday morning out of New York.
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  Speaker 7: I had to put Ruby in the doggie daycare because
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  Speaker 7: my girlfriend wasn't thrilled about watching her twenty four to
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  Speaker 7: seven for three nights. So yeah, there's that, and how cruel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but you had for three days.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're in jail. She has not been. Uh, Ruby
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  Speaker 7: has not been without me since I rescued her in
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  Speaker 7: about a little under two months. So so I got
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  Speaker 7: down here and I got to give a shout out
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  Speaker 7: to Paula, who ended up not being a serial killer
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  Speaker 7: and in fact, in fact a sweet lady.
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  Speaker 2: And uh she was, you know, one of the odds
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  Speaker 2: of two serial killers being the same care.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, I'm definitely one. Uh if if not to myself,
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  Speaker 7: I'm a serial. But uh, apple jacks stand a chance
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  Speaker 7: around it. No there Uh. And so when I got here,
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  Speaker 7: I do what I always do because I used to
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  Speaker 7: travel and do sales, uh for for a couple of
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  Speaker 7: beverage companies. And I would say, it's my first time here, right,
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  Speaker 7: and they, you know, kind of be like, oh, we
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  Speaker 7: gave you a room on the top floor and with
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  Speaker 7: a really good view. And Paula, Paula stayed with her
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  Speaker 7: friend last night and in Dallas, and she so Doug,
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  Speaker 7: Doug will back me up on this. This is this
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  Speaker 7: hotel is like a like a hotel built for conferences,
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  Speaker 7: Like it has a whole inner thing of conference rooms,
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  Speaker 7: of offices you could rent of stores that cater to
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  Speaker 7: the conference people. And she was on the inside and
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  Speaker 7: she'd again as good of a view and she goes
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  Speaker 7: when you book using the senior rate, and it was
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  Speaker 7: just like a picture of like some boxes in a
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  Speaker 7: room and it was a really funny comment. She sent
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  Speaker 7: that to me today. But yeah, no, it's been fun
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  Speaker 7: and we've I met Trey. We were hanging out and
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  Speaker 7: we met at Daly Plaza and then we were hanging
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  Speaker 7: out and sitting across each from each other. And uh,
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  Speaker 7: Linda as well. I don't know exactly how to pronounce
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  Speaker 7: her last name. It's exactly quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Linda. Okay, do you find his ambordini? I hope it's right.
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  Speaker 1: You did it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Joe's right about
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  Speaker 1: the hotel, Guys, this place is a snazzy dude. It
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  Speaker 1: is a It's an upgrade big time from where Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: was last year. This place is nice rooms, great accommodations,
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  Speaker 1: the amenities. Like Joe was saying, it's like a mall, dude,
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  Speaker 1: just like an atrium mall. Yeah, inside this thing, it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And uh, Bana what now? I said, maybe next
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  Speaker 2: year they'll have it at the Cabana Motel. Let's tell
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  Speaker 2: you that if that's even still around.
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  Speaker 7: Well, Lock, you might have confused us because lot Cabana
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  Speaker 7: is actually name of one of is actually the real
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  Speaker 7: name for Triscorniat prison. It was attached to that.
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  Speaker 2: But it was attack Groove. We went to the night
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  Speaker 2: before the assassination where Lawrence Myers was staying, and.
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  Speaker 9: The Cabana, yuh, so, uh, I guess last night we
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  Speaker 9: went to Campezes with Gail Nicks Jackson, with David Boylan,
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  Speaker 9: Doug and myself and we had a great time.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The food was not not a fan.
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  Speaker 7: It wasn't that great.
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  Speaker 2: And he has high standards.
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  Speaker 1: It was let me, let me tell you this. It
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  Speaker 1: was definitely food.
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  Speaker 7: Run in the mill, but but really cool ambiance and
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  Speaker 7: vibe and it's like super dark in there. It's like
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  Speaker 7: kind of red lights and uh, kind of red velvet
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  Speaker 7: doors and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, Rob, it's got it's got that whole like
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  Speaker 1: virgin hunting fish, like Mafia's social club type feel. The doors, dude,
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  Speaker 1: are are bright red like like diamond took like upholstery.
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  Speaker 2: The doors limar where you used to see.
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  Speaker 7: We were looking for it. We couldn't find it, right, Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Are you gonna do ask somebody? Hey, where Jack Ruby
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  Speaker 2: used to sit in this motherfucker?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah? So they were, Uh we were in the back
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  Speaker 7: kind of sigh dining room, which they had like two
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  Speaker 7: long tables and it was like a mishmash of people
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  Speaker 7: from jud the Ferry Baker's conference and just like everyone
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  Speaker 7: in Dallas, and there were all these pictures all over
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  Speaker 7: the wall. But there wasn't like a Jack Ruby table
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  Speaker 7: that I saw the picture of, like Jack Ruby above
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  Speaker 7: a table that you would think, you know, that there
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  Speaker 7: would be, although I didn't like search every table.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I scanned every table, guys, And I did not
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  Speaker 1: see the alleged plaque and order named plate that said
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  Speaker 1: Jack Ruby eight here or whatever. But I looked around, man,
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was It was interesting, Rob, Joe's right.
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  Speaker 1: There was a mixture we had. By the time we
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  Speaker 1: had been served our food, the JFK Historical group came
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  Speaker 1: in and I looked up and saw ed Tatro and
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  Speaker 1: immediately bat in my head and started eating pizza. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: he won't see me. He won't see me, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And he didn't as far as I know, so he
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  Speaker 1: didn't yell at me like he did like Joe doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know the story, Rob and I attended that conference in
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen September twenty fourteen in DC, and we walked in.
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  Speaker 1: We walked in and Tatro had heard a recent show
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  Speaker 1: I did basically I don't remember Madeline Brown, right, or
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe Madeline Brown kind of thing. And he
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  Speaker 1: spotted me from remember Rob from way across the convention
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  Speaker 1: room started yelling at me like I heard your show,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, what who, who the hell? Excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: excuse my language. You know, who the heck is this guy?
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, but it was it was fun. We wrote
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  Speaker 1: over there, like like Joe says, we met back up
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  Speaker 1: with David Boylan and his lovely wife Linda, who was
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  Speaker 1: here last year. Man, there's such great people, and Gail,
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  Speaker 1: her husband. We all went over to there, came back
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  Speaker 1: hung out, and it's been a busy day. I did
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  Speaker 1: not Rob, I did not avail myself of the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to go down and see the circus er i mean
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  Speaker 1: memorial down at Dealey Plaza today, But.
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  Speaker 10: I made sure I made sure that your intrepid cover
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  Speaker 10: reporter Joe the Prone Gunman Barelli.
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  Speaker 1: Made it down to Dealey Plaza to report to us
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  Speaker 1: the weirdness and the Shenanigans.
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  Speaker 2: It took well of that folks right here with our
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  Speaker 2: own Alpha sixty six, Big Mike and Joe on the
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  Speaker 2: grassy Knoll with Judy Baker, Beverly Olive, Beverly Oliville. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: make it out, uh.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, last night in the band, dude, I was. We
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  Speaker 1: were on our way back from Campeses, and some of
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  Speaker 1: the people in the van didn't believe me about the
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  Speaker 1: album out there where what she had the gospel scene
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  Speaker 1: ventriloquise dummy. Yeah, I was trying to find it on
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  Speaker 1: YouTube because I know you and I played the clip
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  Speaker 1: on quickly. Yes, but I couldn't find it. Or maybe
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  Speaker 1: the van was bouncing around because Daryl was popping illegal
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  Speaker 1: U turns and all kinds of crazy shit. Maybe I
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  Speaker 1: just didn't succeed, but I couldn't find as it she was.
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  Speaker 2: She was using Judy Baker as a ventrilocous dummy on
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  Speaker 2: the grassy and not a day she shut her hand
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  Speaker 2: red of her ass and they sang the national anthem together.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Judy is not very tall. It probably only went
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  Speaker 1: like wrist to the wrist.
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  Speaker 2: Her little her little legs flopping over Beverly's thighs.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, oh, Rob, Rob, yes, Rob, you have no I
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  Speaker 11: know you tried to surprise me with that picture, which
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  Speaker 11: of course I have in my surprise presentation of pictures
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  Speaker 11: that I will be showing shortly.
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  Speaker 7: But I will up that by like with the picture
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  Speaker 7: of Juda's very Baker that I the show.
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  Speaker 4: I I respect and adore all of our faithful listeners,
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  Speaker 4: and I would never ever put them through that because
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  Speaker 4: I almost verped in my mouth when he sent me
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  Speaker 4: that picture of Judith Baker's ass and their spandexpants in her.
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  Speaker 2: Late seventies should not be wearing.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, you know what Joe Double last night?
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  Speaker 1: You know what he doubly last night when he was
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: trying to taugh me into going down there. Huh oh,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: come on, it'll be fun. Yeah, No, I don't think
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it would have been at all.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Those are what we call the famous last words.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: Oh boy, Well, it was a spectacle. And I uber
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: down with mister David Boyland and his wife Linda, who
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: is probably the funniest woman ever. We had such a
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: good time and somebody laughs with her. I mean, she's hilarious,
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: and we were making fun of everyone and it was
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: a fucking scene.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: So tell us about it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: What did you see? What?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: Lucky? Luckily I have a presentation prepared and this this
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: it was packed. Okay, there's a lot of people there,
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of shit going on. You have ju
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: the very bigger sitting down here, Robert Croden here his
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: wife passing out American flag tattoos. You have jf this one.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: This lady here is wearing a j f K junior
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: jersey number fifty or number fifty five.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, they don't think he was.
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and there were a couple JFK ones and Rob
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: and I have joked about that in a few episodes recently.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I take it he would have been fifty five year
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: years old, or.
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: That's what I was thinking. But but it wouldn't It
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: wouldn't make sense because he wasn't eight years old at
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: the time of when he did that saloot. When JFK
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: was buried, right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: He would have been older than fifty five too, because
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I'm fifty.
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so this guy who is a Q and on
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: guy is JFA killed? Are you next? Which I mean
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: that that background of everyone there with that sign is
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: pretty epic. That's one of my favorite pictures. And of
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: course if you go up and down behind the picket fence,
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: it's like it reads like every fence post reads like
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: a bathroom and like a you know, like when people
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: are right on the walls of a bathroom, right like
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: a public bathroom.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, you will see a good one. Go to Lee
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Harvey's Bar in Dallas, and you will see graffiti in
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: a bathroom like you've never seen.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I think I'll stay I think I'll stay away.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the tip though, there, Robot.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: They even have the old school pissed troughs in the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: men's bathroom.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: You know. The last time I saw one of those
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: was at a local drag strip in West Tennessee.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Where all theist runs down one general direction towards the dream.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Fantastic, But anyway, tell us about.
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: So this is one of my favorite pictures. And a
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: bunch of they were giving out flowers at the table
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: or Growden, Andre Baker and everyone else was sitting and
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: some people put them on the X and it was
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: run over obviously by a car. You could see that.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: But it made for a really cool picture. But of
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: course because it was such a circus, you have these
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: people and they weren't like JFK people, they were Trump people.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: It's like someone that was like almost hispanic. They go
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: behind the X there and like kneel.
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: Down, was like yo, like thumbs up, like yeah, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 12: held up three lanes of traffic to the point where
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: it was minutes before traffic could get by.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: Because these idiots were trying to take photo shoots during
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: like the light changes every minute. So I came out
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: here and took this picture and waited like thirty seconds
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: and I'm impatient.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Genius.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah. And then you had these idiots, which are the
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: QAnon people that at twelve thirty.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Block the road. Joe's frozen.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Joe's frozen. I can't pick it up where he left off,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: rob because I have no idea where he's dropping it either.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I'll try, though. It looks like they're blocking holding hands
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: like blocking the road. Maybe.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't really see going
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: down there and witness and all that, you.
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: Know, and looked at each other. It was so disrespectful.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: And he's gone again me Yeah you where did he was?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Like fifteen seconds?
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: Bro, Okay, I'm sorry. Where did you lose me.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: When you started talking about this picture?
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah? So these are the idiots, Yeah, okay, I'm sorry.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: These were the idiots that were blocking traffic and they
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: did it right, it before twelve thirty, and it kind
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: of overshadowed the moment of silence, uh for whatever, and
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: a lot of them were queuing on like who knows
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: what they were. I mean, it was just so disrespectful
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: to take away from the moment of silence by creating
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: a circus and normal people going to work or whatever
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: they were doing, Like couldn't go to work. So I
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: snapped this picture and me and David Boyle looked at
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: each other and like rolled our eyes. It was silly.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: H I still think they should cut that part of
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the street off and just make the whole area like
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a park, you know what I'm saying, Just redo like
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: main Street, so it so it connects where this one does.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Then just cut this whole street off.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Like where it goes right. Just just have the traffic
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: go right down the middle and make.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: It right, and just cut that ship off.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I would be in favor of that.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: And like it is, and just make it like where
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: you can walk everywhere, even on the road.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: And uh this is the picture I took from almost
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: the South Knoll, that place on the other side of
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: the Stemens Freeway there and uh yeah, and it's apparently
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: much more concealed than it was back in nineteen sixty three.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: Someone told me those trees weren't there at that time.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: But there's this whole theory that there was a van
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: that was open that had fired a shot and it
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: would have similar ballistics. This was online with the sixth
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: floor and intriguing theory. I know we Rob, I know
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: we've had recommendations to a show on the South Noel
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: shots in the past. Maybe we could do that. It's interesting.
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: And when I sat back there, I was like wow,
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: and I was with Boiling and his wife. I was like, yeah,
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: I mean this would make sense.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Especially something I haven't told you yet, Joe. But I've
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: actually been talking to an x FBI agent, is it
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: since last summer?
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: I found him him on the Knowle. Is his name
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Cameron something or ah? I met him on the Nole.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: He came up to me, Oh did he Yes, Yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: he's big on the South Knowle. Yeah. I've tried to
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: play Devil's Advocate with him and he's not ready to
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: come out and and talk yet, but he said he
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: would come on the show when he is.
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: So he said to me quote I've been emailing with Rob.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it might be the same guy.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: And he said I'm an ex FBI agent and my
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: head turned like what uh? Yeah, but enough of that,
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: move on, okay, and yeah, one more of course we
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: saw this.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I told you we're not showing this picture to the people.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: The time you'd answer, just went face down and here's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: spaghetti dinner. You passed her, all right?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I Hey, guys, we have a saying in Tennessee ten
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: pounds of taters and a five pounds sack.
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh, Rob, I had to you know that. You
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: I told you, Yeah.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I tried, y'all. That's right.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: At the end of the day, Rob, this is uh
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: a video podcast that we have to provide the people
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: with pictures.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna need it. I'm gonna need a second.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: He's gonna need a moment. You did it, scarred well
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: as as Cloud recovers.
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: Doug was taking copious notes during a couple presentations today
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: so far, so I'm gonna put you on the spot
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: and uh.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Sorry, hey, but first, dude, first we have to we
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: have to acknowledge. Next time listeners are in Dallas Monday
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: through Friday, you need to visit a place called Sloan's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Eatery in downtown Dallas on Ross Avenue for breakfast. Joe
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: can the test if it's okay Rob to give those
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: people a plug. That was an incredibly satisfying and enjoyable
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: meal we had this morning, Joe, was it not?
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: It was, sir, And I have to give you due
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: credit because you did do your due diligence and research
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: and you found this nice breakfast spot that is only
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: open on weekdays because it's like a conference center and
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: kind of similar to what what the Marriott is. And
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: we went there and it was a great breakfast. We
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: had eaten terribly tay before, and it was just the
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: perfect way to start out the day and to deal
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: with the circus that I had to later endure.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And uh and next time, you folks, tell him you
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: heard about them here on the lingom And podcast for
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a free coffee.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, although Doug, tell them about the one fault.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Hey tell yeah, just tell them used code z r
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: m D z r m D the next free large
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: black coffee, right rob z R.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I hear you.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, good as long as you do, Yeah, okay, loud clear.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But now the one thing, dude, Okay, you know, I'm
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: o c D about my about my my, my ship,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: my clothes.
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: And Joe, dude, Joe had on he was dripped out.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Man, He's got these awesome black sweatpants on man, he's
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: got his black Adidas, he's got this black t LG
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: hoodie lint free one. The one thing that took Sloans
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: from a five star review down to the three is
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: we took our linen white linen napkins, right because we're
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: in this nice place and we're legitimately and we did
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: them like this to put them in our laps. Fucking
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: nine million lint balls hit. Joe looked like he had
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: crab lives over there. He had so many damn little
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: white things all over.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we we have to become savages and not put
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: our knapkins on our laps. Out of beer, it could
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: further do to our fits. And thankfully I brought a
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: lint roller.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome. You told me about it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You told me about it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Huh did you bring an iron or are you just
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: gonna use the one that's in the hotel room.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I did call and asked to verify that they did
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: indeed have irons in the in the room. I did,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and I called. I called you in choir whether or
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: not they had cure eggs in the room, which they
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: do not.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: The one thing that will roll Doug Doug T shirts. Hell, yeah, dude, yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: he does the only person I know that irons and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: T shirts and boxer shirts.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: But no, I don't know. But I look good.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I respect the process, and so Doug and
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: I have have corresponded and talked in depth about our
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: fits for tomorrow's presentation and maybe the way. Yeah. So,
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: and I know one of our faithful listeners, whether it's
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: probably Trey. Uh, well, we'll take a picture of our fits.
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: I actually have and I showed Doug. Doug this fresh
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: that I oh yeah, eggs are still on them.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, you should totally totally leave the tags on there
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like run DMC.
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: It has never been worn, so there's a lot of preparation.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: What it's like an Adidas like really nice. Uh my
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: girlfriend got it for me for Christmas and uh last year.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: This year yet, I'm sorry, did she get a free
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Christmas last year? It early?
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: No, Actually, I'm sorry. It was my birthday present. It's
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: all so, I haven't had the opportunity of been the catskills,
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: so I brought them here tax lawn.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Uh. Well, thankfully, Doug. Doug sent me a picture of
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: of him wearing the outfit that he's gonna wear it
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: tomorrow and here it is.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, that's it. I understand, m Yeah, that's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: You're exactly right man.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: You know, crip walk off the stage.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I told ninjas like that, cripps where it's at, because
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: that's where That's where I'm at, and that's what I did.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: That's how I live, asked my relatives. Don't you hey man,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: that's that song dude, that you know, the dog pants song?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Is My favorite color is blue? That one?
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm crypt out for tomorrow, dude.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Totally cut and there, Joe, you need to go stuff
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: around the guy damn park a lot or something for you.
• 37:50
  Speaker 11: Oh no, no, no, no no, I'm not going to
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: allow him up there with with me with scuffed tennis shoes.
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: Many a month ago he came to me and was like, Okay,
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: this is what I'm thinking for clothes, dounk has we.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Kind of look our freshest, you know, unlike.
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: Me, you leave nothing to chance.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Rob, look, listen, if you only knew
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: how bad Rob busting on that one dude for wearing
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: velgrow sneakers, sweatpants and a tweet jacket with elbow pads
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that one year. You know how important it is to
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: look your best, because Rob's still busting on that guy.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Well, funny story. So I'm I'm looking through Facebook today, right,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: and you know, I see some pictures Doug posted, and uh,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: of course Joe didn't post anything as usual, but uh,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I see Mike stuff he posted up and I come
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: across a lot, uh a video where Matt doubt it
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: was live from tenthon Patent right, and of course today
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: is Gruary twenty second, and he was interviewing this dude
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: who was there. I guess you know, he does a
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: little meet up attended Patton every year, but as far
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: as I know, on this video, this dude's the only
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: guy that showed up. And he's interviewing this guy, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: this guy's alone Nutter, and he's asking him what he
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: think happened? Did Oswald shoot Tippet? And this guy he's
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: a he's wearing, Doug, you know what, he's wearing.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: A tube top and a hockey mask.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Close a wood. No, he's wearing he's wearing cuffed jorts.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Of course he is.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: And so I commented on the video, I said, anybody
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: that wears cuffed shorts cannot be trusted.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Now, was he wearing white New ballance cross trainers with
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: a blue ind I don't know.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: The video didn't go down that far, thankfully.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Now, if he was, there's a one chance he either
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: drives a Corvette or he drives something that has been
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: less swapped.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Well, something's definitely definitely going on. Uh. And then another
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: learnother chimed in and proceeded to insult me from the
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: one show that he's watched that I did, that he
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: thinks I'm an idiot. I don't know what I'm talking about.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I said, well that's fine because I've never
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: watched your debates with Matt doubt It. Uh, so we're
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: even because I designed No.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know the name, but I think I remember.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Wasn't there a thing going around a couple of years
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: ago some guy was like seven eight debates with with
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Matt doubt It that were going around or something?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: The same guy Bill Brown? Yeah, some Learning Nutter sounds familiar,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, man.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Uh. We had breakfast this morning, and then Joe went
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: on his little circus excursion down to dB Plosita to
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: see all the weirdness. And then at two o'clock they
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: kicked Lancer off, and they kicked it off with mister
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Michael Swanson, our friend Michael Swanson. Rob, Yeah, really good.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Token sponsor of the Dallas Action.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: The title sponsor Wall Street Window. Yes, the Dallas Action
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: presented by Wall Street Window. Hey, oh, I got a
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: funny story, Rob, I got a funny story. Okay. Joe
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: got put on the spot this morning out in front
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: of the hotel.
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: Oh my gosh.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm waiting on Joe to come down. So
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: we go to breakfast and I run into Mike who's
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: out there talking to Jacob Hornberg, and he he introduces this,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you know, and he had heard of the show and
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: he said, oh yeah, man, I've heard the show. And
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: we got talking. I told him my my Doug horn
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: story when you and I went to that conference and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: everybody was asking him about his presentation, but I said, no,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about Curtisal May and the Rank Corporation.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: And he was like, oh cool, yeah, you know. And
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: we were telling that story, and we were talking and
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Joe walks up and introductions are made, right, We're about
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to walk off, and I kind of walk off, and
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Joe was still there and and He looks at Joe
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, when's your time slot? Joe says,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Saturday four, Jacob. He goes, so you're the one that
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: got me bumped, and dude, Joe didn't know what to say.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: He said, yeah, motherfucker, and I am hey, hey, I
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: jumped in.
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: No, Doug, Doug, I did take immediate Yeah, yes, because
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: I'm flying out and we were initially one. So I
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: told him, if you have anyone to blame, it's me.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: So well. I also told him, I said, dude, they
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: had Joe, they had a schedule to speak when Joe
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: was scheduled to be in the T s A line.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't have worked, you know, there's no way, there's
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: no way. But I told uh, I told Joe that
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, uh, you know, he was kind of looking
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: for whoever got him bolked, you know it anyway, that
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: was probably a story.
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there was no more doubt after that. And yeah,
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: I guess it's because we are b s d's Doug
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: what does that mean? Big swinging and we were able
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: to get her.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Present starts with the D Joe.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: No, he was.
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: Trying to be.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Use your other alphabet, Joe. Yeah, but yeah. They We
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: had a great, great afternoon. Only got to see two
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: presentations again, see Mike Swanson, and he did a presentation
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: which looked at you know, okay, rob if the school
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: of thought, right, the prevailing school of thought, I guess
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: if you want to call it the consensus view of
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: CIA primacy, you know, is that Kennedy was killed, for
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the most part, right, because he didn't want to go
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: to Vietnam. He wanted to pull out of Vietnam, right,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And Michael did a heck of a presentation putting forth
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the hypothesis that it was not in fact his unwillingness
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to go to Vietnam he got him killed, But it's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: unwillingness to do something about Cuba. They got him killed.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And that is something that I tend to agree with
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Mike about. I think Cuba was the reason. Cuba was
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the problem. The people that decided to kill JFK did
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: so because they were fed up over the administration's Cuba
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: policies or lack of a policy that conformed with their
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: idea of what the outcome should be regarding Cuba. That
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: makes any sense, yeah, yeah, absolutely, real quick.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: For the benefits of those people overseas, who do not
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: know what jeorts are, jorts that are cuffed at the bottom.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I don't need to hear anything you have to say.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Bro, Rob. One word comes to mind. I see those
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: there in particular. What's that thirsty?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah? First trap? Oh uh?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Oh wait? Did I say that about somebody who's actually here?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: No?
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Oh good good? That was an example, right, it wasn't
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the actual guy?
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, that's what That's Joe's outfit for tomorrow.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, only shorter George.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: With a tank top. Please tell me he's going to
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: be wearing a tank top shirt, mesh shirt, mesh.
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: If I had that outfit Rob just described ready for
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: our present, you would freak the hell out.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I would hit you with a computer monitor or something
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: crazy like that.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just put him behind it. Nobody will see.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, we've conquered this technology thing in regard to podcasting,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: because I'm on my iPhone kicked back in an awesome
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: disk swivel chair in a hotel room with a bag
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: of chips and some pepsi and everything sounds fantastic.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: This is pretty hardy audio issues. Everybody knock on some wood.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think anything here is actually real wood.
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: Okay, And although there is no Coke zero at the hotel,
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: which is a little bit of a problem. Oh no,
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: there is one. They have one store with cans, but
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: for the most part Doug had to drink diet pepsi
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: last night.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Now, let me say this. I think they have reformulated
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the diet pepsi because it doesn't taste horrible. It's actually
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: pretty good. I'm kind of digging it, so I'll be.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, pepsi zero sugar or diet pepsi.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: This is diet pepsi on the label, man, and it
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't taste horrendous. It tastes pretty damn good.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Actually might might have a convert here, folks.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, as soon as I can get my
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Coke zero, I will, I will be back. Good.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: We want to change our quick hit sponsor.
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: Then, okay, I know yeah, yeah, no, no, I did
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: ask Doug. I said, how do you feel about Oak
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: zero when it can? He's like, oh, it's fine, it's
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: more than that.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I buy two fifteen packs of the cans per week.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm good.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks Roger. That's our that's our music man, Lee Henry
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Oswald checking in, Oh what up Roger, what's going on?
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and uh and Doug to follow up on your
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: point about Swanson to finish that off, and and his presentation,
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: he talked about how JFK and Cuba, of course was
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: probably the goal of the plotters, but it ended up
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: morphing into a Vietnam conflict. But it wasn't until months
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: after that the Vietnam conflict even kind of came into
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: the documents and not as the JFK movie portrayed it.
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: It wasn't like seventy two hours after where this right, right, yeah, yeah,
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: And I thought that was really interesting.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting too. I thought that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: there was one quote he noted some memos and some
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: conversations between Johnson and Moyers that kind of go against
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: the grain of what we think to be the norm.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: One example was that, you know, asking how it was going,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you know in Southeast Asia on November twenty third, there
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: was a National Security or a National Security Council memo
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: where Henry Cata Lodge and John McCombe, who was the
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: CIA director, that they they're telling they're telling LBJA that
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: everything's going fantastically right, and like right after the meeting,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: he goes outside and tells Bill Moriers that both of
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: those guys were very pestimistic and said that everything was
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: going to Helen a handbasket, you know, so like one
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: after the other. And it's interesting, and that's just an
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: example of like some of the contradictions that might got
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: into about a few things. And one really interesting thing,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: do you remember, Joe, He says that on and I
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: made a note of it here because and I'd love
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: to get the document from him and actually read it.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: But on December twenty ninth, Johnson invited macombe down to
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: his ranch and he told McCombe that he was that
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: he didn't think that the DCI, the Director of Central Intelligence,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: should be a cloak and dagger kind of guy. And
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: he told him that he was no longer interested in
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: a cloak and dagger director of Central Intelligence. He wanted
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: an advisor.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: In translation, yeah, and then he's not a spymaster DCI.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: That's not what he was interested. And I'd never read
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: that before. I never heard that before.
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: I thought that was interesting, and neither had have I
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: and I never like attributed like mcoone to being some
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: cloak and dagger type of guy.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: Of course, you have the allegations that are One of
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: rfk's first calls was to McCollen saying, was your people
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: behind this? Right, I've never really looked into it that
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: you know, enough to make like a defend the statement
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: on it. But it does make sense when you think of,
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: you know, I an LBJ. If you know about how
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: LBJ kinda ran roughshot over his advisors, or you know,
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: he wants someone loyal to him and if you're not,
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: like get out of here, kiss the ring or or
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: move on. I think was the general kind of vibe there.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: You know. Another interesting quote Joe that Michael pointed out
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson to Bill Moriers on that same day, November
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: twenty third of sixty three, was that and this is
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: also didn't it didn't really job with how you think
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: of the Kennedy administration. Right, But according to what lbj's
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: telling Moriers, they're the warhawks in this situation when it
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: comes to Southeast Asia. He told him, and this is
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: a quote I wrote it down, that he's going to
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: give this crowd everything they want to make, like make
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: them go away in Southeast Asia. Whatever they want they
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: can have, you know, and that, and that was Mike's point.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: You know that the withdrawal plan was really a mac
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: namara plan, not so much a Kennedy plan, that Kennedy
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't maybe his hands on as far as all that
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: stuff goes as we might think, you know, in reality
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: with them with and East. Course he's talking about new
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: document releases too, that kind of thing, and uh, you know,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: it's interesting. And another thing he pointed out is that
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: from from December twenty nine or wait is that? Let
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: me let me make sure I've got this right. There
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: was a certain date. Yeah, here we go that talking
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: about how like okay, wait a minute, go ahead, Joe,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I need to look through here and find the point
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I wanted to make. I'm sorry I got lost, go ahead,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: pick it up, guys.
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: Uh no, it's okay.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Mobo would be cussing me out if he were here,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: like through the glass. Right.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks, you all appreciated, brother. Do we the plan sniper
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: locations for the LBJ ranch? Just kidding? Yeah, you better
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: be kidding, Paul.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: One of them was in the chicken coop, we know that,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the other one of the lake, right, Yeah, Mac Wallace
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: with a ruger in the grain silo Rob.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, I forgot about him.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you guys getting questions down there. Unfortunately I
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: can't read the comments that pop up.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah we get, we get all kinds of stuff. We've
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: been popping them up here and there.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe if I do this I can see better. There
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: we go, There we go. But Mike, uh, of course,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: you know, Mike backed up his hypothetical, you know, his
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: speculative point with the documentation, as he always does. So
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: that was very enjoyable. I was, of course, Mike has been,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: like Rob said, he's been the title sponsor to the
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Dallas Action since like twenty and sixteen. I guess a
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Wall Street window and great guy. And I missed his
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: presentation last year, had to fly out. So I was grateful,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: grateful to be able to be there this year and
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: to check it out. It was awesome. I just I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: just realized that I totally made a typo on my
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: name on the screen there that' says dug. I wonder
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: if I could change that without backing out of the thing,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: because I looked like a complete dolt.
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: But it's okay. We've already had a few jokes about it,
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: so okay.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Well, in my defense, I had barbecue sauce all over
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: my hands when I was trying to time name.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yes you would like hell her light?
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: What now?
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Oh? No one, No, Trey was asking if he does
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: anybody need anything from seven to eleven?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Coke zero? Hell yeah, coke zero.
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: You'll be sorry you asked raight, And I know exactly
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: where that seven eleven is.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, I want to Hey, I want to thank Gail
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Nicks Jackson publicly. Dear Gail for taking number one getting
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Joe and I to camp season bag. But Gaye and
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: her husband Daryl picked me up at love Field at Dearport,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and uh she came bearing gifts with a giant pack
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: of dark chocolate flavored Oreo cookies for Doug. So, uh
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: you know, if you see the microphone cut off, that
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: means I'm eating cookies.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah, chocolate covered or you yeah?
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Now the second Now, I believe Joe you were
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: there for Were you there for the virtual presentation on
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Dorothy kill Gallon? I had to duck out, Uh there
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: for a bit? Were you there for that?
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: I was there for the probably the last ten minutes
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: of it, and and for the Q and A and
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: credit to lnswer for being able to hook up her
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: from wherever she was streaming from with a live Q
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: and A and people the audience asking questions and her
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: responding in real time. That was really cool. Probably would
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: have happened last year. It's it's a fascin it's fascinating.
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm not like a big Dorothy kill Gallant
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: lady or lady guy who night Yes but that Rob yeah,
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: I know you, but yeah. But she did bring up
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: some interesting points and apparently she differs some from uh,
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: the Mark Shaw guy and kind of indicated that she
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: wasn't a fan of how we quotes research. But I
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: didn't have the full contacts. I aren't really know, but
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: Bill simpit was asking some good questions.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: You can check you can check her out on Out
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: of the Blank.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: She was.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Robbie had her on a couple of shears ago. I
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: think they talked about Dorothy Kilgallen and let's see. Sam
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: asked me something real quick, Alan Sweat you mentioned on
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: the last show you said you had. Now I've heard
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: of Alan Sweat. I don't think that Carmine or Joe
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: had heard of Alan Sweat. I knew, I knew he
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: was a but let's check that out.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I had never heard of Alan Sweat. Who is Alan Sweat?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: He was a Dallas cop. We were talking about people
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: that were arrested in Daily Plaza and supposedly somebody brought u.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: It was described as a younger kid up to Detective
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Alan Sweat, who was out in front of the school
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: book depository, and said, this is the boy that shot
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: the president. And I think it was misquoted. I think
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: it was somebody bringing amos Ewans up to the Dallas
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: police and saying, this boy saw who killed the president.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: We were talking about. It was an old nineteen sixty eight article.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: I just think it was misquoted.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, hey, Rob, I think I fixed my thing
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: down there where my name is man. Does that look better?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yes? You know you're no longer debug.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: That is a plus, that's a positive.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I just was a good name. You know you were
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: using Tonight Douglas to uses you know, his rap names
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: every once in a while.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's one that that we use on Quick
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: and that I use on Quick. It's sometimes that even
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I don't have the balls to type it here for
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: the long gum Yeah. Uh and now not not not
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: even I wish to uh, you know, alienate people to
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: that degree.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I hear your brother now now since.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Joe stepped away, okay, okay, yeah, there's Joe there, he
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: is right there. We I did. I was able to
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: see Brian Edwards and his presentation on the book admitted
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Assassin on Roscoe White, which now admittedly, and I've told
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Joe this since we been here, I am not I
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: don't have a PhD in Roscoe White. You know, I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: learned some things tonight with Brian uh and his presentation.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: It was very enjoyable. I learned a few things. The
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: steel canister was fascinating to me. Jim, what about you? Uh?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was found in his attic, right.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are you familiar with.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think about that. I think it was
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: found in No, I think it was found like Roscoe's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: dad's attic or something something like that. But anyway, uh yeah,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I mean there are some interesting aspects to the Roscoe
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: White story. The only problem is provenence. You know, how
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: do we actually know that that's where the ship came
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: from other than this guy's word, which is what a
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: lot of that?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: That That's the thing. It's it's like the it's like
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: the Albarelli thing and the Pierre Lafitte date book. You know,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the provenence, that's that's the issue, right.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what's her face? What's his wife's name,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Rusker White's wife. Yeah, Geneva. She was about half of
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: that ship crazy, So you know, I think she got
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: caught faking the journal that the FBI supposedly stole the original.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: So there's just there's just so many questionable aspects of
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: the story, you know. But then you hear about you
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: hear about his his preacher, you know, coming out and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: and and saying all these things that I told him
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: on his deathbed, and you think, well, you know what
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: a pastor lie about this? I mean, it's who knows.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody knows who this guy was. I think
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: his name was Shaw as well, Reverend Shaw, I think
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: was his name. You know, you just don't know what
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: to believe. It's all hearsay. That's the problem, you know.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Now, Rob, I took yeah, because you're much and you
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: know how I'm about notes, but I know you're much
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: more well versed in this, and he touched on it.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: And of course it's just in our presentation, so we
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of time to go into a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: lot of detail.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: There is, according to Brian, an FBI report that states
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: that the FBI agents actually saw the diary, but they
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: also stated that they didn't feel there was anything to it.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: So if we don't have the original diary and the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: FBI read the diary and didn't think there was anything
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: to it, we really don't know what was in the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: diary that they're reacting to. If they're saying there's nothing
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: to whatever's in the diary, how do we know that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: what we're told is in the diary was actually in
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: the diary. You see what I'm getting at. But again,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: it goes back with to me, it goes back to
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: like the Albarelli Pierre Lafitte date book. You know, unless
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: you've got it and you can authenticate it, you really can't.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: You know, you really can't bet on it, I guess
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: for lack of a better term.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and let me just those out there, because I
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: don't know if I've said it on the real show
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: or not of his members only. But and Robbie, if
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: you're out there listening, and you know, I love you
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: and your show. But an episode seventeen eighteen of the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Out of the Blank podcast he had on these two
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Kufuss Barry Jones and Timothy Brennan, and they did a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: show about Roscioe White. And if you ever want to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: watch a show where every factual thing possible could ever
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: be stated wrong and two guys be so wrong about
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: everything that they are saying, go watch this episode.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Talking about are you sure you're not talking about a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Canadian Jill about Fletcher Pratty?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: It's on par it is?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Is it really? Really?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: It's bad? Man? I don't I don't know who these
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: two guys are never heard of him before in my life.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: They're supposed Roscoe White experts, but they get a lot
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: of things wrong. And it's just like it was. It
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: was brutal to listen to. I was like, it's like
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: a car crash. I couldn't turn it off if I
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: was just like, what are these guys in saying?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: And it's just like, what the hell? I mean? It's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: just mind blowing.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: But I like, you know, the canister that that was
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: that was interesting, that that was very interesting to me.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: And tables inside of it, well.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: It apparently it was found in nineteen eighty two, right,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: and inside this steel canister, like a milk canister, and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: they had a big problem, didn't he say? They had
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: to get it off with a cutting torch. They finally
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: had to get it open with a cutting torch. Show
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: is that correct? Or did I? But they had a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: real problem getting it they couldn't something like that. But
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: inside was they found his father, Roscoe White's father's dog
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: tag and they found it in nineteen eighty two. They
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: dug it up apparently, and it had like newspaper clippings,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: one of LBJ, one of Jack Ruby, and it had
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: these memos relating to a project called R E Rifle
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: And they still actually had this. But you know, whether
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: or not they're real, I don't know, But it's a
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: very intriguing story. I gotta tell you.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Some of the some of those guys there's they sit
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: there and say that Roscoe White was J. D. Tippett's partner, Like,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: you don't have to look that hard to know that
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: that's completely not true. You know what I'm saying. At
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: that point in time, Roscoe White had only been on
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: the police force since mid October. He was on like
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: a training in probation until like January.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he hadn't even been through the academy. And
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: you know, Brian Edwards made this point, he made a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: made a point to combat some of the misinformation. He
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: made mentioned that Bobby Hargas, you know, Bobby Hargas was
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: was a cop, right, a motorcycle cop. Is that correct? Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: He made a reference to Bobby Hargas saying that he
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: had seen Roscoe White, he had id'd him in uniform
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: on the Grassy Note that day in an interview. But
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: according to Mian Edwards, HBS because he was he wasn't
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: even a cop at that point. He was not even
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: in the academy at that point, you know.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And RhB brings up this point. The unknown unseen
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: lh O backyard photos found in White Trunk are the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: most compelling in my opinion. Well, that can be easily explained. Okay.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: It's Roscoe White at that time. His specialty was photography, right,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: and that's what he was joining the department to do. Okay,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: So he would have had access to any and all
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: of these evidentiary photos that were taken allegedly from Ruth
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Payne's garage, including the backyard photo, including any variations of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: the backyard photo including any negatives that were taken. And
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: it's quite possible that Roscoe White stole them, you know,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: and you know, anybody could have seen, if you're smart,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: the potential worth of these photos of the presidential assassin, right,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: you know that, you know, say, ten years from now,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: if you come out with a new backyard photo, a
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: new pos I mean, look how much you know they
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: sold it to Life magazine for they were paying big
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: money for this stuff back then.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: That's right stolen the listener r h B or rhp
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: rh b rh b uh If I may, I'll say
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: I agree with both Rob and r h B. I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: think those backyard photographs are very intriguing, very compelling, and
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I agree with with with him that him or her.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: I don't want to presume that they are the most
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: compelling thing about it. But I also agree with Rob.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: It's also very possible that what what you know, it's
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: also easily explainable at the same time, so I agree
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: with what you got.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. I guess you don't have to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: be you don't have to be complicit in the conspiracy
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: to be somewhat forward thinking that these pictures could be
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: worth something.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: And you know, throw that in with you know, we
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: have pictures of rosc White in that pose where he's
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: got his his leg kind of in front of the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: other one, kind of like the backyard photograph, and he's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: got this weird bump on his wrist like the figure
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: in the backyard photograph with you know, Oswald's face overlaid
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: over whatever, you know, as it's alleged. So, I mean,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: there is a lot of weird things about the Roscoe
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: White story that don't quite make sense. That weird suspect,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: you know, they are suspect, but at the end of
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: the day, there's just nothing there except hearsay, you know,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: and that's a shame. I mean, it'd be nice, you know,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: to get these cables authenticated, getting dated and all that,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: but this is just that's not the way that any
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: known agency or whatever communicated like this. You know, there
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: was no OSHA or whatever it was called wherever these
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: cables were coming from.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: The guy's name is yeah, man, I've never seen that.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: That was one of the cables that he showed that
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: apparently they found inside the camp was from Ocean, which
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: means Occupational Safety and Health Administration, right, you know, But
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: I've never seen that before you know. But yeah, I
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: agree with the ore our hb there very intriguing, very compelling,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: especially when you know in that context you see these
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: backyard photographs that you've never really hadn't seen much before.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: But at the same time it's easily explainable. So yeah,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: so I have had fun. That was. That was But
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I will say I very much enjoyed his presentation. That
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: was well put together and Brian's a good dude.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I will always have a special place from Brian and
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Casey because when we were new to the thing, Robin
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: we went up to d C that all those years
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: ago for that conference. Man, they were super nice to
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: us and welcome, you know, open arms. Good dudes.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure for sure.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and of course Rob another point about.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: But but they're wrong about otto, ain't I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: I'm saying, would it be a long Dimban podcast episode
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: if we didn't get into a Martin and Rob?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: The Martin.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: Uh, Martin's came up in his presentation the who are
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 7: you talking about? Rob Doug.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Whose Quinlan or.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: Before that Brian Edwards. Yeah, so he talked about the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: six Flags in and talked about some fire I think
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: he was a fire chief. I don't know if you
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: wrote this down, Doug, that that allegedly gave Mike Howard,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: the Secret Service agent, a tip to bring Marina and
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: Mark or Reat to the Six Flags in And I
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: had not heard of this before, and I plan on
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 7: asking him when I see him, hopefully tomorrow.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not I'm not seeing it.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: Then we found out to the contrary, right, because because
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: we had thought James Herbert Martin reached out on in
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: terms of the.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: UH was documents to back that up too.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: Yes, we do in our dropbox. But he had talked
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: about how someone had told uh Mike Howard to bring
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: Marina and her there because it would be a great
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: place to kind of last to question them. No, No,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: I wrote this down, and uh it's a question. So
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 7: I plan on talking about that. But that was the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: only Martin thing that relevant to the conversation. We just
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: are a presentation we just talked about.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Real quick before we move on too far. Sure, I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: just want to show everybody what we're looking at here
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the whole bump on the wrist
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: thing with Roscoe White and like I said, soutav that
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: you don't buy it I don't know either. It's kind
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: of an odd angle. I mean, a lot of people
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: have a pronounced wrist bone ye kind of deal going on.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: So I don't think that's a conclusive very much.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's not really convincing.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Uh. Now. This picture though, from an old cover of
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: our episode two hundred and eighty two Joe, when we
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: talked about Roscoe White and the Alleged Assassin book. Down
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: here at the bottom of the stance. This is Roscoe
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: White all the way on the right, you know, standing
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: on a beach in this weird those where you know,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: his hips are cocked one way and he's got one
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: leg in front of the other. That's a little suspect,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: you know, people don't normally stand like that. Yeah, but again,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: photographs are a split second in time. This could easily
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: be explained away as you know, just a micro movement,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: you know, caught on film in an instant, you know
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: what I mean. Right, there's no conclusiveness that this is
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: a pose if that's you know what you know what
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, or if this is you know, we just
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: don't know what we're looking at when it comes to
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: things like this, and it could just be a coincidence, but.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: It's awfully similar conspiracies.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: The best conspiracies come from the incidents of incidences of coincidences, folks. Yeah,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: so what else you got after Brian? What happened?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: We split off and ate some dinner and got on
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: the horn with you my good name?
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the best part of the evening.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: The best part of that what we've been looking forward
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: to a talking about At breakfast today at Sloan's Corner,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: we were discussing our time with Rob.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Well, what did you miss to show up here with me?
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: Matt doubt it's what back to back Tippet presentations? Matt
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: dowit's something Tippott and Jah.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Correctly hang on, Rob hang on, I got the program.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: And Janet or Janet Bousher, Janet Grogan talking about the
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: Tippet witnesses.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, well, we missed Casey Quinland. They kind of got behind, right,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: they kind of got behind in the program, and unfortunately
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: it was to the point where we had a hard
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of got to be here at this
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: time for TLG and we had sort of a window
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: to get some stuff done and get ready for the show,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: So we had to miss cases or I did he did?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: A Tragedy of unspeakable proportions was the title of his program, which, guys,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: we had to miss it. Don't get me wrong. I
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: will go back later and watch his presentation. Uh sorry,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: I had to miss it actually, and Matt doubt it
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: was after that with the minimal Facts approach to the
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Tippet Murder, which I will absolutely go back and experience.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I want to check it out. And at seven we
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: had Janet grodin the Tippit witnesses point of view. Is
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: what went on until about eight o'clock I suppose.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: Hey, so.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: The Lone Guming podcast has been pimping those Lancer thing
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: for many, many months. So if you see Kenneth Zedeker
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: down there tomorrow, tell him to send your boy a
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: link to stream the goddamn conference. That'd be great, real appreciated.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Dude, you didn't get You didn't get one, No, Joe.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 7: I didn't either, And Gabby said she was going to
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: send one to me and she hasn't, so I will
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: remind her Rob just to send us both one.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, it would be nice.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: I did get one. Email again, Joe, check your spam
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: folder also, but check your email again for about one a.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: M I did. She told me I sent it the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: night and I did exactly do that and it was
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: not there.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe that's because Rob and I share a email
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: address in a sense.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you I didn't get one.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: No, no, I don't think we did.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Rob.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: I will make sure of it, thank you.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got one, and I'm here crazy.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm checking my spam folder just to make sure
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: before I get ill matic. But uh yeah, it's not
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: in there. So yeah, if he could, that'd be greatly appreciated.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll hook it. We'll we will raise au. No,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: we're not going to raise his stick. We'll bring it
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: to their attention. We'll make sure that the man, the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: big homie gets his link because he wants to watch.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: You want to watch me and Joe, Oh hey look
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: rob By. The way, we were riding in the van
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: back from Campeses last night, Joe was telling me about
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: the cool names that you guys came up with for
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: the different levels of like supporters, Like was there's super
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: spy and catwoman, and then what's the other.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: One covert operators superspies.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Right right, And I and I came up with if
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I ever did that. I know what mine would be,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: from top to from bottom to the top. It would
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: be busters homies, Yeah, big homies, Yeah, top of the heat.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Rob shot Collars.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: That's what I would do. That's what I would do.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: But then I told him, Rob, you then have to
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: come up with four different tiers of perpse.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the that's the thing.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: And then I'm waiting. Now, that'll never happened because then
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: I would have to work. So that's why I'll never
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: have levels or tiers of anything. Then people would expect
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: things of me at that point. You can't have that.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: Oh they already do. They can't get enough Doug in
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: their life.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: No blister their hearts.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: What's up, Uncle Dave, Uncle Davis here. You should be happy,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: Sir Douglas is on the show. We are bringing it
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: to you. And like I said, it ain't enough for you.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Had the aa ARC library dot org and get an
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: exclusive Doug Campbell podcast esque h literary phenomenon directly to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: your mon.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: You know it is basically, uh, it's just an episode
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: of the Dallas Action that that you can only get
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: over there at a a r clibrary dot orgon and
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: the difference is you can actually instead of writing it
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: in a notebook, I typed it out where people can
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: you can read along, you know, and see where I'm
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: going with it. And like I said, that was a
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: lot of fun to do, man, And thank you to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Alan Dale and uh uh, Jim Lasar and everybody over
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: at a a r C. The Assassination Archives and Research
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Center for inviting me to participate. Uh. A lot of
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: work into that, a lot of lot of backing up
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: and editing and grammatical things, rob, a lot of you know,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: gotta be right.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Have you all bumped into anybody where you're like, you know,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: a little a little struck you know that you actually
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: got to meet him or see him or talk to
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: him or anything like that. Or are you looking forward
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: to any presentations tomorrow? Aside from you.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: I will just say I saw, but haven't seen Danny
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 7: Sheehan his his kind of white hair that's kind of all.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Over the places miss ed. Dude will come.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 7: And you cannot miss him. And of course Bill Simpach
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: do I know.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Good name Snowball.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: I know I haven't gotten a chance to talk to
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: Bill yet, but I know Doug had a nice conversation
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: with him on his way there and talked a little
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: bit about the hypothesis of our presentation tomorrow and had
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: a good conversation. But I look forward to talking to
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: them both tomorrow for sure.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: But those two, where's all the people you're gonna bring
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: on the podcast tonight?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: You know, I knew you were going to ask that,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: and at this point you're down in the ball.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: I requested to push it back, but.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: You add all other fucking day today, all day yesterday.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 7: Well, listen, it's hard to say, hey, do you want
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 7: to leave the conference you're presenting at to come sit
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: in a hotel room with me?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: And you could have brought a listener there. Anybody, it's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: a party. I was.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: I mentioned it to Trey, but I haven't been back
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 7: to the conference hall in like an hour and a half.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: But uh, it was just I didn't want to take
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: anyone away from Lancer.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not I'm disappointed.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: This is a friend we talked about, this is this
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: is a frame worse than Lee Harvey Oswalt.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: I think it's all we agreed to do and didn't happen.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: But that's okay. We have Doug and Doug yes.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 7: He is the b S D as we talked about
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: what is it?
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Oh that again? No?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: No, you are you are?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Tell him tiny everybody hit the like button, dammit, give
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: the thumbs up.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Hey, Rob, I was surprised at one point last night.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it a starstruck, but I was not
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: expecting to see our old friend Douglas Horn walk into
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: camp pieces. Oh yeah, yeah, of course you and I
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: got to know him.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Do what do you yell at him? Say hey Doug,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: what's up?
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I did? I did holler at him. Yeah, yeah, I
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: did talk to him for just a second, you know,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: like hey, buddy, it's good to see it. But yeah, man,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: you and I we were like, uh that that first conference.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: I remember somebody was passing out Cuban cigars and we
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: were like twelve thirty at night, You and I like
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: downstairs outside on the sidewalk, like smoking Cuban cigars with
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Doug Horn. That was but uh, it was really cool
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: seeing him, you know, that was a real Uh that
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: was a treat for me seeing him. It was a
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: treat for us to meet him the first time ten
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: years ago, ten years ago, this past September. I know,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: I remember, I love that story. I love telling the
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: story because I surprised him that night because I was
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: going to interview him for the show. But and I
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: think you and I were you there with me when
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: the newspaper guy was interviewing him before I did. We
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: were kind of sitting there waiting on him to get done.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: It was a guy from a local newspaper or something,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: and he had been doing these interviews about his presentation
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: to medical Evidence. And I sat down and he's like, okay,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: and I said, I don't want to talk about your
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: presentation and he said, excuse me, said, nah, man, I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: want to talk about your work over your JFKSE war
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: with the National Security State from a few years ago.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about Curtis Lemaine in the Rank Corporation.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: And he looked surprised, and he went okay, and he
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: smiled and he's like, all right, this will be fun.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: And we had a lot of fun. Man, that was
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: a good conversation. First time I ever interviewed anybody for
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: the podcast was that day. He was the guy.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Well, dude, I still have in my drop box ten
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: year old Doug Horn interview out takes where he busses
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: up a storm because he was pissed because the fucking
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: kitchen workers were making so much noise? You remember that?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: And was this why I was talking to him?
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's while we were talking to him. I
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: know I was there because I recorded it.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Holy moly, you know what. I completely now. It's it's
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: like coming through the haze, dude.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: Like he stopped and he was like, can y'all make
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: a little more fucking noise?
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think I do remember that.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have that.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Did I just block that out or something like?
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Because I mean there's a lot to block out from
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: that weekend?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: But uh, I'm not saying nothing, man. Yeah, you remember
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: the two spooks from Costa Rica?
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Did remember one? Uh? What do you do? I own
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: an offshore gambling website? Oh really? What do you do?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I own a golf course?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh both of them wearing thirteen year old Walmart shorts.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. That was crazy, dude, That
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: was crazy.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: That wasn't sucks at all. Hang on, we have a question.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: We have a request if you, if you may indulge
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Uncle Dave, Hey, Uncle Dave, he would like to hear
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: you call Warren de Breeze a douchebag, please and your
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: best Doug accent?
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Do what?
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, call Warren de Breeze a douchebag. He loves
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Is it a douchebag?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Have I done this before? Have I? Is this something
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: I've done?
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: How did I phrase it? Exactly? Did I was? Did
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: I say douchebag before Warren Debris or the other way around?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I want to get him he's a douchebag, Yeah, one
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: debris douchebag?
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, there you go.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: How about that? Is that right? Did I do that right?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, awesome?
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: I in the zone to get to you know, get
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: to get the context and all that, right.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, you know I wish I had brought
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Momo with me. You know, I wouldn't. I wasn't able to.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: I got a feeling I could have told him, like,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the Carousel clubs still open, and he would
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: have vanished into the night in Dallas and I wouldn't
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: have seen him for like four days.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: He's so little you could have stuffed him in one
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: of your carry on.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: No. No, no, he's wider than he is tall. You
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: don't understand.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Bill, like Bob SquarePants, dude.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: He's shaped like he's like a pair with tattoos. It's
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: the craziest thing. I mean for real, Like they legs,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: little bitty legs, little bitty legs.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Like that guy from ninety Day Fiance, the one that
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: has no nick.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know newman on Seinfeld. Imagine him at his
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: heaviest but like four inches shorter, and you pretty much
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: got almost built for sure. Uh. But tomorrow's a big day.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow's let me let me look on the program, because
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the schedule is revised and and everything. I
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: have the uh the latest at eight a m Andy Keel.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: It's going to present on Obstruction of Justice by Jay
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Edgar Hoover and Lyndon Johnson, the Dirty Dick Russell Revelations
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: from the New JFK Files, and the Rob Ryan or
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Solo Dad O'Brien podcast series his own research. Now, I
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: happen to be a big, big, big fan of Solo
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: Dad O'Brien. Can we just say that? So I will
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: be playing close close, Well she's not actually gonna be there,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: so I may be getting coffee now I'm just playing.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: I'll be checking out Dirty Dick Russell at nine am
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: on his own research what else we got. Jacob Hornberger,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: I will definitely be watching paying attention to this. One
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: of the JFK assassination and other Cold War regime change
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: operations should be interesting from the Future the Future of
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Freedom Foundation, Rob, is that correct? I believe that's correct. Yeah.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Will o'haleran at eleven Am. The Parkland doctors and nurses.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: Bob Nelson on the Don Reynolds story. I'm not familiar
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: with the Don Reynolds story. Rob, Who's Don Reynolds.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: Couldn't tell you, huh, Warren. I know Warren Reynolds, but
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know Don Reynolds unless it was Warren Reynolds brother.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: General Walker's massus this guy Warren Reynolds, right or something
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh huh.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: And then of course you got Paul blow our dear friend,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: David Boylin and Jeff Meek. They're gonna do an hour
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: and a half presentation on that survey of researchers that
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: went around back earlier this year. Via email.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Hey, Doug, I found a picture of Momo.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Dude. That's close, Man, that's close. That's not him, but
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: you're getting Yeah, he won't let me take his picture though,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: that's very close for sure, the same body type. Yeah.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: And then Carmine, who may or may not have been
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: your guest Wednesday night, I'm not exactly sure which one.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: He's doing a presentation at two thirty Virtual Presence at
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: the Modern Age of Political Rage, whatever that may entail.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that. Gel Nick Jackson is
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: going to do a presentation along with a tribute to
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: her late friend Chris Scally. And then at four pm
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: two Yahoo's I don't know who the hell they are.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: They're going to talk about things or something that's going
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: on there. I don't know, you know, that's probably gonna
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: be a train wreck, whatever's going on there, I don't know.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Right before Bill Simpich, Bill Simpich's opening act is the
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: spinal tap of JFK Research basically is what's happening tomorrow?
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 7: Yes, and Doug, in the words of little Carmine, whatever
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: happened there?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever happened there? Yeah?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's maybe some things you found on the internet as.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Well, right, yeah, stuff we've found on the internet with Doug. No, no,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: we actually don't. We have believe it or not as
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: much as we joke and we do joke because, unlike
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: many people in the research community, I believe these three
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: individuals gathered here can safely be said to not take
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: themselves too serious. Right, No, that's the way we are.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we do. We do have a neat a
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: neat thing.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: Don Reynolds sold LBJ a life insurance policy hidden for
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: the general Dynamics contract whatever that.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: Means, Dynamics like Lockheed Martin, that defense agency company.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 7: Was I think the biggest employer in Fort Worth.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: And friend of Bobby Becker.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: I'll be Baker. Well, thank you very much, dear listener
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: and or viewer. I was unaware that I appreciate the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I know either Yeah.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Trey is right. Tomorrow is Joe now scooter
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: day for you? Sorry, you have to wait till Sunday.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Rob, I told him, you know what
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: I told him. If he if he rides a scooter
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: and falls off of it, we're gonna refer to him
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: as the prone gunman from now on.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: If it's it's okay, because I hear, I hear, our buddy,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: big Mic down there has plenty of bandages for you.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: If you do that idea, you'll be more than happy
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: to kiss it and make it all better for you. Joe,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: put a bandage on you. I might need it.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: I might need it, Rob, Rob, That is so funny.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: That is so funny. I gotta just stop and savor
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: it for a second before I even last. That was
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: so awesome what you just did.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: You're welcome. You're welcome.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, me and me and Joe gotta
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: do our thing tomorrow as well. Here at Lanta, We're
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: gonna put together our We're gonna deliver our thing to everybody.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: So before the banquet, the meal as it were, we
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: are looking.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 7: Forward to it.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Are y'all staying around and hanging around Sunday?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: I will be robbed. Last year I had to leave
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: early and I missed some good some good stuff. I
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: missed Michael Swanson's presentation last year and regretted not sticking
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: around for Sunday. So this year, I'm planning on being
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: here for the duration for Sunday. Let's let's look and
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: see what we got going on Sunday. Oh excuse me there,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to do that, but I'm drinking PEPSI.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I apologize to all the viewers, and I'm sorry, I apologize.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: Dear Lord, forgive me God bless a little starving children
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: than Ethiopia. Amen. What was I speaking about here? Oh?
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Bill Sivich, Yes, I joked about his opening act right
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: being to uh being spinal tap, Joe and myself. But
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: he is doing a presentation on how to Dallas journalists. Uh. Oh,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: we talked about that, didn't but yeah, he's kind of
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: the headline.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: If anybody can follow you too, it is Bill Sippicch.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I had to. I planned on. Me
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: and Joe were talking about like the presentation that we're
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: doing in volts in VOTs Bill Simpach's state secret a
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: little bit right. And when I say a little bit,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: I mean three times, so you know what I mean.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: The hypothesis in there. But but it's sort of a
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: like what we're doing is sort of a jump kind
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: of a jump off. It's hard to explain. But what
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: but that, yeah, exactly. But there's a point in there
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: where I felt sort of compelled to go to Bill
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: today and go, no, look, man, you know, uh, we're
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: not don't get me. We're saying that this is just
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: another not that you're wrong, it's just that this thing
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: here is another possibility, right. I wanted to for him
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: to be clear on that that I'm we're not we're
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: not just biting on his stuff and then saying he's wrong.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 7: Uh? Trey has two coke heroes for you in his
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: French right now?
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Oh well, it's not doing any good in your fridge.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 7: Man, I'm just saying, yeah, give.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Him your really close.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Just knock on the door and turn around and leave.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Behavior behave.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: It's a silver platter top.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: I expected more seriousness out of you. This isn't quick,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: kids for crying out loud.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: How much fun to say is when you got fifty
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: people watching you and asking you questions and talking shit
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: the whole time?
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Man, I I'm sorry to say I can't I can't
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: see the questions very well on my I'm doing this
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: on my iPhone because it just sounds better. It's more
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: comfortable for me. I can walk around while we do it.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: But as I was saying, Bill, I wanted to make
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: sure that you know, hey, man, we're not just biting
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: on your stuff and then turning around and saying you're wrong.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I wanted to make sure
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: that he was kind of cool with the fact that hey,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: we're just saying there's another possibility over here with this
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: tiny part of it, and he was like, he's so cool.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: He's like, that's great. He goes, that's what we need
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: to do. We need to point out other possibilities and
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So Bill's awesome. I know Joe's
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: aware of it. And I might even told you Rob
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: there was a point in putting the presentation together where
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: because I was invoking State secret and Bill more than
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: once in it, I kind of got I felt this
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: responsibility to sort of make sure that I'm you know,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: let's check and double check and triple check everything and
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: make sure that that I'm understanding if I'm going to
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: invoke the hypothesis in his work, I need to make
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: sure to a t that what I'm writing is demonstrating
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: that I'm understanding the hypothesis to a t. You know
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And you don't want to make any assumptions.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Like that, Well, that's just man. I mean, anybody else
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: will just do it and not even bother talking to him,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, it's just the right
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: thing to do.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Well, even if he wasn't following us directly in person
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: at the conference, I would still do it, you know
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But like, but like so I hit
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: him up, and this will tell you what kind of
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: guy Billa is. He's like mister Miyagi. He's so awesome.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: He I sent him an email with like three paragraphs,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: like one that mentioned his name and two that mentioned
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: his work and explain to him basically what I've said
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: to you and and that like we're getting right down
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: to the wire, me and Joe are, and I need
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: to make sure that I'm not efting this up basically, uh,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: misinterpreting or misinterpreting. Yeah, yes, kid, just getting it wrong right.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: And to his credit, dude, he hit me back on
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: my cell phone like within ten minutes like of getting
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: the email, you know, and he's like, hey, A and
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: B I love I love it. He goes, I don't
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: have a problem to see. But then he did this
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: thing robbery. He goes, but I'm curious right here, you
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: wrote this and then you wrote this and I'm like yeah,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: he goes, well, if you wrote the first part, I'm
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: curious why you would write the second part. And then
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: he says think about it, and I was like, and
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: it was just so cool because he just let he
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: let me figure it out myself. He let me think
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: about it, you know what I mean? And I went, oh,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: I'm what I've done here is I've got the plotters
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: both getting their way and not getting their way and
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. And he made me see that
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: and helped me. Yeah, now we really understand.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: Right, And so.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 7: Yep, do you have to be consistent in your assumptions right?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 7: You can't make for example, Oswalt is super spy in
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 7: this case and doumb patsy in that case, and yeah, no.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 7: And I think it was, uh what, like, we're pushing
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 7: we're giving an alternate possible to one of his theories,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 7: which we actually Doug and I both agree with. But
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 7: I think the best researchers do this, and I think
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 7: us three share that, and I think Larry and Bill
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 7: Simpitch do as well. To say I thought this then
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 7: because of this, but now I think this because of this,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 7: and admit that you've evolved somewhat in your thoughts. And
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 7: we've not the name names. There's too many people that
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 7: because they wrote something, they have to die on that Hill,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 7: and that's not how.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: Books they haven't sold yet, they have to die.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't want to say. They got a lot
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: of DVDs to sale man, a lot of you know,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: they got new documentaries featuring old interviews that they're trying
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: to get people to stream. From ninety nine cents to
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: peace Man, we got to have this happen in you
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: throw a big old premiere, nobody comes, what do you do?
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: But uh, you know, I respect anyone that can admit,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 7: not that they were wrong, but just because I thought this,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 7: but then I tweaked this because of this, It just
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 7: shows uh skills and critical thinking.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Now, not that we're saying that Bill's wrong about anything,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: because he's not. That's the whole point. You know. Basically,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: what I and I don't want to give we don't
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: want to give away, you know, the presentation. But basically
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Bill Bill's was his Mexico City solution in his book
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: State Secret, right that the popular theory that what happened
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: there with the Oswald impersonation was the CIA using their
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: own operation to frame a guys. Not necessarily what happened
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: that it was an infiltration, right, So you know that
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: would that would mean that, but for that to happen,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: you have a scenario. I guess, for lack of a
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: better phrasing of it, X plus Y equals the occurrence
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: of Z, right. And what we're doing is we found
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: an interesting connection that is another possibility for the X
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: in that equation, like X gives why certain information as
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: a result, Z happens. Right, And we've sort of and
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: it's something that that Joe pointed out because we really
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: it's like it several months ago we didn't know what
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: necessarily we were going to present on Lancer. Really wanted
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: us to do something, and we didn't have any I'm
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: certainly not a good one for coming up with ideas,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I just know, yeah, yeah, you just said no,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: But I didn't say no. But I didn't think I
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: really had that. There wasn't really anything, and I'm certainly
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: not the best at remembering what I say, right so,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: and I remember talking to Joe on the phone being like, man,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: I don't really have any good ideas. I really don't,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: And Joe said, I think you do. You just don't
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: know it, and you know, it's like, well what are
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: you talking about? You know? And he said he said no,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: it's something apparently. It's something that I first mentioned sort
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: of in passing a few years ago on the Dallas action,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: and I think I've mentioned it in passing with you
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: on quick It's like, hey, you know, and but we
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: cover so many things, right, and Joe remembered it, and
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Joe's like, you know this, And basically what it is
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: is another viable possibility for what I described earlier, X
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: plus Y equals the occurrence of Z. There are other
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: just as compelling and viable and probably more realistic possibilities
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: to make this happen in regard to Mexico City and
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: all this, but this is one that we thought was
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: pretty apparent and that we can at least back up
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit in that we know that something similar occurred,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: you know, So it's definitely possible. And something we mentioned
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: in the presentation is something I like to say is
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: the Sherlock Holmes rule that I like to apply to
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: this stuff, and that is, once you have eliminated the impossible,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: whatever's left, however improbable, must be true. And this is
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: certainly not an impossible the whole scenario, right, So that's
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: kind of where we're at with Go ahead.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 7: Joe, no, not at all. And just like when you
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: were at first describing your your project with Alan Dale
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 7: right in the arc and you said, I didn't expect
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 7: my presentation to go in this direction, but it did.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 7: That just shows critical thinking, right We, like you said
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: in uh in your what you decaid, we did not
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 7: know how our hypothesis was going to play out. We
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 7: did not know. We had no idea. But I think
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 7: any of the best research projects don't have a foregone
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 7: conclusion in the hypothesis question you're trying to answer. And
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 7: I think that's what we did here. And we had
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 7: to go back and and we things that would have
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 7: been more advantageous to our hypothesis. We had to go
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 7: back and change uh in ways that wasn't beneficial to
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 7: what we were are you know our initial.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, Truman, the fact you know, like like
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing, uh for sure, Right.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 7: But that's how that's how the best projects I think
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 7: are done. And that's I know Rob will agree. That's
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 7: how we went to the Martin thing. We had no
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 7: idea how that was going to turn out. We had
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: we did have the slightest clue, right, but it turned
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 7: it morphed into something different and and very similar to
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: what we did. And I know we're kind of teasing here,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: and I'm sorry. We just don't want to.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 13: Like being very big everything very well, yeah, you know,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 13: and we we talked about that too earlier the week
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 13: that hey man, we're going to do a big Friday
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 13: night thing from the conference and uh, and we want
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 13: us sort of share what it's about.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: But you know, the people, the paid conference goers, they
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: kind of paid for the privilege to you know, sort
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: of hear the thing first. But we do want to
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: share a little bit of it. And I'll say that
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: what that like. The hypothesis itself was very simple, in
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: a nutshell. At first, Joe said, now you said this
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: in the past and that deserves exploring. And I'm like,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: what what was it? And he said, you know, basically X,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: like I said think before, X plus Y equals the
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: occurrence of Z and but and it was basically, in
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: a nutshell, X and Z, X and Y had two
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: very unique things in common, right.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, Junk get into this a little bit
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: more on the next show that you know, of course,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: Lancer will be over by then and.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: Actually occurred, right so, so, but then we realized that
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: one of the two things that X and Y have
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: in common. Right, other people who were later tied in
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: one way to the assassination a lot like the individuals
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: I wrote about in the aarc thing most likely to
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: go Roague later on, they were either connected to the
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: assassination accused of complicity, you know, allegedly confess to complicity
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: in the assassination. The other individuals had the same thing
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: in common with the first two guys you know in
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: the equation, and that is we can tell this part Joe.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: They were all at one pointation incarcerated by Fidel Castro
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: in Trescornia prison. And we realized there are other people
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: in the narrative that we study who also have that
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: in common, and two of them are Lorne Hall and
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: Santo traffic Kanti. And the first part of our presentation
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: is about those two guys. The first part is some
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: recapping of some info on Morn Hall connections to the
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: assassination that a lot of people might not know, not
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: information that's out there everywhere. And of course traffic Kanti
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: everybody knows about their relationship and the fact that they
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: were both at one time at the prison, but the
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: other the other half of the presentation is gets into
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: the other thing, a couple of other individuals and their
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: connection to this other thing and how it ties into
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: this hypothesis of Bill Simpachez. And again, we're not saying
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: that we have clearly so nothing like that, like that
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: at all. We haven't proven anything. We're not saying we
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: believe unequivocally that this is what happened. It's just today,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: here's another possibility. And it's possible because we know this
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: about this, so.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: You can read more about it next year in our
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: book that will be coming out called Plausible Scenario. Wait
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: you have a book coming out and Doug Campbell.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, really he's dropping. I mean, hey, Rob, don't
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: threaten me with a good time. You want to collaborate
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: on the book, I'll be I'll start writing ship right now. Dude.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: It's called plausible scenario right, right, right, I would like
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: plausible scenarios.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: How about we call it the Plausible Scenario Team. Oh lord, yeah,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: it'll just be a picture of Joe with a cape
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: on with a scooter, Plausible Christ Scenario Team.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: It'll be sold exclusively on proudy dot org.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: Prowdy dot org.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: That's right, Lansdale dot Org will come through.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, but here's the thing. If we're gonna do that,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: we have to wear we all have to wear matching
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: red pleated khaki shorts. Rob, we have to.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: We can.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a uniform.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Shirt's optional though.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: Uh no, no, absolutely not, uh absolutely not. But Joe, listen,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: you do you let me? You let me do all
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: the talking and and all that stuff about the thing tomorrow.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: Uh this, yeah, this, yeah, the thing?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah no, I think you said it perfectly, and we are.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 7: I'll give the hypothesis For people that have held on.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: Can I can I cut it real quick, listeners, listen it.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: I've blown up my thing where I can read the comments.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Just tell me whether or not what I just said
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: maybe any damn sense at all. And then that's how
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: I want to want. I want to know. Go ahead,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: you there you go.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 7: James Smith just said, oh I get it. I see
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 7: where Doug is going, and and our hypothesis was. And
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 7: for those that have been paying attention.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: Be confused. I don't know.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: But Bill Simpat's Mexico City hypothesis is that what happened
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: with Oswald showing up in Mexico City to get you know,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: captured on the on the phone taps and all. That
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: was actually an outside infiltration of the Mexico City operations.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: It was not the CIA using their own operation to
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: set up their own guy. It was the murder plotters
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: finding out about the Mexico City top secret operations and
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: using that to their advantage and actually infiltrating the CIA operation. Yeah,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: compromising it on purpose, you know, on purpose. And listen.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: What we're talking about, guys, is Bill Simpac's State Secret,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: which is my favorite book on the assassination of the
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: last fifteen years. You can go to the Mary Farreoll
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: Foundation website free hyper secret. Yes. And the cool thing
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: about it, every document, every paragraph of every document, there's
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: a hyperlink. You can go right to the document read
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: it yourself, and that's that's where you'll find this. It's
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: in the conclusion section of the book. I encourage you
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: to read the whole the whole thing, but this part
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: specifically that we're talking about, is that part. Courage you
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: to read it. It's fascinating stuff and we're gonna quote
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: it a little tomorrow. And if you're listening to this,
• 1:58:06
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• 1:58:12
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• 1:58:19
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  Speaker 2: Us when you do it, and save yourself ten percent.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: Damn it, but do it.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Visit with us, Come and talk about this stuff with us.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna have a big day tomorrow. We
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: want you to be a part of. Please.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're looking forward to it, and we are so excited.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 7: We have a couple run throughs to get through. I
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: think tomorrow Rob, Rob, Doug, and in the meantime before
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 7: that we present, But we are excited and we can't
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 7: wait to talk about it with you all after.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Well, thank you guys for joining us tonight.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: It's been a true pleasure. I hope you are having
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: fun in Dallas, and thank you for taking the time
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: out of your busy schedules to come and hang here.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: Over. Is it over?
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: We're coming up on two hours, man, I forgot.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: This is not quick, hits. I figured we had another
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: hour to go. You know, we could do this all night,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: you know, dude, let me say this to the lone
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: gunman listeners. Okay, I want you guys to know this.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: And this is not to say that I'm not having
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: fun on here with Joey Scars as well, but guys,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you doing doing Quick Hits with Rob Clark
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: is the most fun I have every month on a
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: consistent basis to this day. It's the podcast we wanted
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: to do in late twenty thirteen but couldn't figure out
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: how to do. And we have a blast and we
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: always learn a ton of stuff. And I just want
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: to take this opportunity to get to thank you big
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: bad Bob for you know, hanging in there with me.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Bro Hey, no, thank you, Like you said, it's one
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: of my favorite shows too, uh to listen to and
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: to do of course. Uh you know, you always bring
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: the fire and we always have a blast and people
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: love it. They can't get enough of it. But we
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: we we restrict them. We breastfeeding them on the quick
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: hits we do.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: And hey, you know we we were obviously guys and listeners.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: We apologize, I know, Joe does. We apologize for having
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: to be a little vague on the presentation we're doing tomorrow,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: but we're talking about that that connection trust go on
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: in prison and some other things. But maybe we'll get
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: back together, you know, maybe here and get into it
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: after the presentation. You know we can, we can get
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: into it more and get people more detail and get
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: people's thoughts on our thoughts.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you're more than welcome to join us next Friday, Doug,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: if you want to. Uh, the imitation is always there, brother, dude.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: Let's see what's going on. Let's see what the old
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: schedule has in store for me. I damn joke. Joe
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: can tell you I've I spent half my day working
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: not in the conference. So uh, yeah, we'll see what's up. Man.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: We can maybe do that for sure.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you have you have carte blanche, Doug, like James
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 7: Herbert Martin awesome and.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: Uh and John Barber.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: Those are tidy whiteyes, screwy blue eyes.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: They're they're Superman color. We call those screwy blues.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: It's the underwear that's fun to wear.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: Apparently, it's a lot of fun to wear, so much
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: fun you wear them in public. I couldn't get.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: Over bless its hand, bless his heart. All right, come
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: to that time of the show where we're gonna dance
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: our way out of this bitch with Dean Andrews. No,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: no than Dean Andrews.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: Hey, before we do, can I ask Joe, are you
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: heading back downstairs when we get done?
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: Are you?
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: If you are, I'm probably gonna go find a Coca Cola. Yeah,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna need another one of these diass before I go.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 7: To one on ice for you, sir.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, maybe me and Joe may be down in
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: the lobby here before long.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Trey, go meet him down there. Take take Douga
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: coke zero.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: And this is fun doing this thing live from the
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: thing actually prison he did. It's pretty awesome. Thank you, fellas,
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: thank you so much.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thank you, Doug, and thank you and uh
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: without further adieu. Of course, on my Dino.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 6: In Patty's prison. He did not talk for the record,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 6: but he said, come to Bourbon Street and I'll show
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 6: you what I think of the case. The greatest lies
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 6: are told in the name of truth. The greatest crimes
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 6: are committed in the name of justice. The quotation is
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 6: Jim Garrison's. It could be used for him or against
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 6: him in this strange case.
• 2:03:29
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