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August 12, 2026 | Hong Loses, Darline Wins / Massachusetts Abortion Law / Baby Gabriel · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: Hot Topics in the News, and Wisdom from Life. It's
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  Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is Eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: If there's a takeaway to last night's primary, perhaps, just
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  Speaker 2: perhaps it is don't believe the polls. Welcome in Happy
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday on Mike. He's Mark, Hey, Texas, are you paying
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  Speaker 2: attention to how wrong polls can be? I know a
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  Speaker 2: guy named Mark Davis who has been confidently saying that
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  Speaker 2: all the polls showing that this Tallarico weirdo is not
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  Speaker 2: going to win over the conservative Ken Paxton. Incidentally, what
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  Speaker 2: a day to welcome in Preborn to the Eminem Extra
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  Speaker 2: after this wicked news out of Massachusetts that they have
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  Speaker 2: now signed legislation enabling abortion till the very last moment
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  Speaker 2: of birth of pregnancy. You can stand for life and
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  Speaker 2: I know, Mark, there's a lot of there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of primary news we want to break down. But isn't
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  Speaker 2: it isn't. What happened in Massachusetts one of the sickest,
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  Speaker 2: most disgusting things you've seen in a long time. Quinn
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  Speaker 2: Roe v.
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  Speaker 3: Wade was dashed against the rocks, and properly so. It
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  Speaker 3: didn't bring about a nationwide abortion man as fearmongers tried
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  Speaker 3: to scare people into thinking everybody with the pro choice world,
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  Speaker 3: the radical pro abortion world, said well, you're just not
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  Speaker 3: going to be able to get an abortion. Well no,
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  Speaker 3: it was true to the Constitution, letting states do what
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  Speaker 3: they wish to do, which means Florida is pretty pro life,
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  Speaker 3: Texas is very pro life, Alabama, Utah very pro life.
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  Speaker 3: And the pro abortion states, if they're into the baby killing,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to lean into the baby killing, and boy
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  Speaker 3: have they in the People's Republic of Massachusetts. This is ghoulish, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Avil it's evil, it's demonic. In fact, what's demonic is
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  Speaker 2: the way they gathered around her the Governor's desk yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: We have a little bit of this. We have this
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  Speaker 2: clip of Governor Mora Healey, the Democrat governor of Massachusetts,
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  Speaker 2: signing the legislation that now legalizes abortion up until the
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  Speaker 2: moment of birth. Now picture this. If you're just listening
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  Speaker 2: to us today, I'll narrate it. If you're watching, you
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  Speaker 2: can see it. She's surrounded by a group of women,
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  Speaker 2: including women in lab coats who I presume mark our
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  Speaker 2: physicians just go here and go doctor. Bring it so
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  Speaker 2: much for the what is it? The uchocratic, hippo hippocrist
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  Speaker 2: do no harm? Socrates was wise, hippocratic oath first, the
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  Speaker 2: hippocratic oath. Yes, that's the way. And thank you, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for rescuing me. As I was talking on the
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  Speaker 2: show today about Mackinac Island. You did, yeah, well, it's
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  Speaker 2: like Mackanac. I know it is. It's Mackinaw. I know
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  Speaker 2: Macinaw Island.
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  Speaker 3: The island is Michiganders love and Abdul hates good l
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  Speaker 3: said Mohammad.
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  Speaker 2: Jaziri Rockman uh he he does not like Mcinaw Island. Surprise,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't call him Mackinac Island like dummy me. But
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  Speaker 2: but here it is. This is sobering, it's it's very morbid,
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  Speaker 2: it's very grotesque. But here's the moment of truth. When
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  Speaker 2: Maura Healy signed the legislation legalizing abortion till the moment
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  Speaker 2: of birth in the state of Massachusetts yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: See the smiles, the leering grins, the laughter, the joy sacrament.
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  Speaker 3: This is a holy sacrament to the church of pro abortion.
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  Speaker 2: How do you explain this? What would a Democrat who
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  Speaker 2: believes in the so called right to choose? That's the
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  Speaker 2: argument they always make. You know, it's a woman's body,
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  Speaker 2: my body, my choice, except for COVID. Of course, my body,
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  Speaker 2: my choice. I have a right to decide. How could
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  Speaker 2: you justify signing the legis they had a twenty four
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  Speaker 2: week window in Massachusetts, but that wasn't enough for them.
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  Speaker 2: Knew they got rid of that. And they said and
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  Speaker 2: yesterday and they said, no, no, you're eight months and
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  Speaker 2: three weeks pregnant. Go in right in there to that
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  Speaker 2: abortion mill and we'll take care of that baby. We'll
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  Speaker 2: suck it out, we'll scalple it up, we'll cut it up. Mark,
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  Speaker 2: what can you give can you you're really great at
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  Speaker 2: a contrarian point of view, can you can you make
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  Speaker 2: the case that this is a good thing for Massachusetts?
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  Speaker 3: Of course not, but I understand and you've very kindly
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  Speaker 3: phrased it about contrarianism and our responsibility here in the
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  Speaker 3: ideological battlefield. Even if we vociferously disagree with something, it's like,
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  Speaker 3: why would someone feel that way? What makes somebody feel
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  Speaker 3: that way? And in this particular case, an unwanted pregnancy,
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  Speaker 3: the obligation to protect life means that there's a consequence
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  Speaker 3: or an unwise sexual decision, And what the left wants
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  Speaker 3: is consequence free sex, to just do whatever you want
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  Speaker 3: with anybody at any time. And then if you whoop's pregnancy,
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  Speaker 3: then that's just a problem that needs to be extinguished
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  Speaker 3: and not a life that you've created. So they must
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  Speaker 3: suppress us the humanity, the personhood of the baby in
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  Speaker 3: order to make it just a procedure, just a little
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  Speaker 3: something you got to take care of, and then you
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  Speaker 3: get on with your life.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess you just say, Okay, life doesn't
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  Speaker 2: look We started praying a few weeks ago based on
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  Speaker 2: your great bold stance that during COVID we're going to
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  Speaker 2: pray every day together as an audience collective. I got
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  Speaker 2: one complaint last week. I got a complaint from a
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  Speaker 2: Jewish listener in Sacramento who didn't like the fact that
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  Speaker 2: we pray in Jesus's name. Didn't like that at all.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I get it. I mean, when I
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  Speaker 2: originally composed the prayer, I didn't have Jesus's name in
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  Speaker 2: the prayer. But then people started, you know, hitting me hard, saying, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: you got to include Jesus's names. That's how the Bible
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  Speaker 2: teaches us to pray. You got to preach it, you
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  Speaker 2: got to pray in his name. So I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean a lot. I had a lot of Jewish.
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  Speaker 3: The side of the coin. No good deed goes unpunished
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  Speaker 3: from the day in COVID. And when I started with this,
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  Speaker 3: I refer to God and I refer to these things
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  Speaker 3: in his holy name. I'm all about Jesus. It's not
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  Speaker 3: in mind. And I caught hell for it not being so.
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  Speaker 3: No matter, no matter what, no matter what you do.
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  Speaker 2: You can't. It's just that's why there's shocks. You know.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to election night. This was wild
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  Speaker 2: that Francesca hung was ahead in every poll by we
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  Speaker 2: weren't even going to be close. Well, you gave the list.
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  Speaker 3: It was great you. In one poll she was up
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  Speaker 3: by eight, and another one she was up by ten.
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  Speaker 3: Was there one when she was up by twenty nine?
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  Speaker 2: Twenty nine? The State Navigate poll, she was up by
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  Speaker 2: twenty nine. Then Public Policy Polling, she was up by eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: Marquette University, I've heard of them, sure, twenty five points.
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  Speaker 2: She was up by twenty five. Public Policy Polling. You've
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  Speaker 2: seen that poll, the PPP pole that you see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of famous. Yeah, they're good, they're famous. They're up
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  Speaker 2: by twenty, up by twenty. Mark polling is broken. It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: But did you you got to tell me you saw
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  Speaker 2: you saw Karnaky on NBC last night? You know I
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  Speaker 2: saw a reference to it. Do you have it? Don't
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  Speaker 2: the other tapes?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Steve Karnaky is and it's funny MSNBC MS now
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  Speaker 3: makes my teeth itch. But he's a really really good
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  Speaker 3: numbers crunching guy, and you know, goes to the screen
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  Speaker 3: and generally his history is you know, and he's not
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  Speaker 3: up there to bag on anybody. He's up there to
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  Speaker 3: do numbers. But how stuff hits him is interesting, So
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  Speaker 3: I'll stop talking and set it.
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  Speaker 2: Up for me. Oh, this is good. He's got his
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  Speaker 2: gym shoes on and he's running around the set. He's
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  Speaker 2: got the big board, and he's sitting there with some
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  Speaker 2: other guy that I've never heard of or seen before.
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  Speaker 2: He's on some other analyst. And obviously it did not
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  Speaker 2: go as planned, not only for Francesca hung the chef
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  Speaker 2: who hates Thanksgiving, but it didn't go well for mister Kornacky.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, wow, what the heck just came in Brown?
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  Speaker 6: Which was that? The that was huge for her?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was about eighteen thousand votes and she
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  Speaker 4: nets two thousand.
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  Speaker 6: Question was that the that wasn't Central count?
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  Speaker 2: Was it?
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  Speaker 4: It's possible there's no remaining vote in Brown, according to
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  Speaker 4: our counter.
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  Speaker 1: I'll check the I'll check the website.
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  Speaker 5: I said I want per say more, but now I do,
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  Speaker 5: because if that was vote, if that was Central count,
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  Speaker 5: is what was his percentage of that vote?
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  Speaker 6: Let's take a look.
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  Speaker 5: If this was Central count, this is the question we're
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  Speaker 5: getting at from Milwaukee. If you just got buried in
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  Speaker 5: Central count Green Bay, it was forty four to thirty
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  Speaker 5: four hangover Crowley. Okay, okay, yeah, let's can we ask
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  Speaker 5: our decision disk what we think that was that?
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  Speaker 1: Just?
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  Speaker 6: You know, and do we think there's central count left
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  Speaker 6: for now?
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  Speaker 2: There's now there's even a better one.
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  Speaker 3: Well there's So that's the way the narratives here, because first,
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  Speaker 3: Karnaky probably in that building, probably has his views. I
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  Speaker 3: think the shock and disorientation may be a result that
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  Speaker 3: it was so wildly divergent from poles, because Karnaky is
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  Speaker 3: a polling dork, a kind of a political numbers game.
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  Speaker 3: And and but also there where he mentioned Milwaukee, there
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  Speaker 3: were real technological and human failing oddities that happened in
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  Speaker 3: Milwaukee that delayed the result for a while as well.
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  Speaker 3: So it was just as we say in the game
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  Speaker 3: a cluster. It's my little box here, I got this
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  Speaker 3: little noise.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome, my little sound machine. We could use
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  Speaker 2: that three times a day. Oh and it's not just
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's all kinds. I got all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: sound effects on this thing, the Lord. But there's a
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  Speaker 2: better one. I think, isn't Clip eight even better? Yasmin?
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  Speaker 2: I think is this the one you said was the
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  Speaker 2: same as thirteen. This is a different one. I think
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  Speaker 2: where he's he's he's hanging Okay, eleven, I guess he's
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  Speaker 2: hanging his head down in shame. It's so bad. Look
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  Speaker 2: at and you're watching on the monitor, Mark, and again,
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  Speaker 2: if you're with us on YouTube right now, you can
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  Speaker 2: see it. Well, we'll describe it and narrate it to
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  Speaker 2: you if you're if you're listening and just listening to
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  Speaker 2: the audio only portion of our podcast, he is he
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  Speaker 2: is like stricken. You'd think his dog just died. Check
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  Speaker 2: this out.
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  Speaker 4: I guess the exact thing, yes, is if five of
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  Speaker 4: the USB sticks were missing results from the election, so
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  Speaker 4: then they have to they have to go try to
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  Speaker 4: regrab them.
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  Speaker 2: Look at him, Look at him, Mark, look at look
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  Speaker 2: at Karnaky dead air. Hey Steve, you're on you're on
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  Speaker 2: camera talk and they're the other guy that.
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  Speaker 4: Scenes are talking about this as well, so we can assay.
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  Speaker 6: Look, it's unfortunate that folks by the scenes here you're saying, yes,
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  Speaker 6: we are are.
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  Speaker 2: Talk safely. Hey, Steve, you know how this works. When
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  Speaker 2: there's a little red light that comes on over that camera,
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  Speaker 2: Boxy doing something, you got to look into that and
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  Speaker 2: you got to say something.
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  Speaker 3: So is that is that it was he bumfuzzled by
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  Speaker 3: the technical meltdown or the lack of data his earpiece
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  Speaker 3: or who cares? I mean, it's I will tell you.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: I watched the beginning of Morning Joe, M O you
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  Speaker 3: R N I N G Morning and uh, and they
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  Speaker 3: they seemed at times a little bit giddy that she
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  Speaker 3: had lost, because, let's face it, as Democrats, what they
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  Speaker 3: want to do is keep power, and they probably do
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  Speaker 3: better with David Crowley going against Tom Tiffany as Wisconsin
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  Speaker 3: governor than they do against that dunderheaded Francesca Hong.
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  Speaker 2: So well, and let's go into Democrat land for just
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  Speaker 2: a moment, because to the Democrats, there is a big,
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  Speaker 2: fat election malfeasan's issue to be discussed in Wisconsin. They're
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  Speaker 2: saying that the establishment swooped in and knocked her off
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  Speaker 2: her perch, and they're claiming now election shenanigans. It kind
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  Speaker 2: of does raise one question, and I think it's reasonable
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  Speaker 2: to ask, isn't there a certain threshold where a recount
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  Speaker 2: has to kick in?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it has to be closer than this.
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  Speaker 3: It has to be so microscopically close you got to
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  Speaker 3: be pretty close, slenderest of threads. It was pretty close,
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  Speaker 3: and was there not?
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  Speaker 2: Did I?
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  Speaker 3: At some point? Maybe I dreamt it? Wake up and
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  Speaker 3: in the wee hours this morning see the references to
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  Speaker 3: it was funny talking about karma watching a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: Democrats in Wisconsin talk about the mystery of a late
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  Speaker 3: night vote dump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to our world. Welcome to the party, folks.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the party. That ain't fun, is it? Yeah? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: How's it feel? How's it feel? Gosh, there's been so
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  Speaker 2: many But you know the question that I keep I
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  Speaker 2: kept asking on the show, and I want to put
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  Speaker 2: it to you because I think the dilemma here is
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  Speaker 2: a fascinating one for us, for our side. Here's the dilemma.
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  Speaker 2: Do we want these lunatic socialists to win in the
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  Speaker 2: primaries so that they can lose big, big lee in
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  Speaker 2: the general election. Or do you want to stamp out
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  Speaker 2: these communists and Marxists and DSA members now while we
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  Speaker 2: while we can.
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  Speaker 3: Let Republicans stamp them out in the general election, rather
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  Speaker 3: than have Democrats slowly come to their senses. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's funny in a way. I'm being glib. We talk
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. And I think you joined me in this,
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  Speaker 3: don't you? That isn't the country better off if we
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  Speaker 3: if we have a Democratic party that we disagree with.
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  Speaker 3: They're too liberal, their ideas are not as good as ours,
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  Speaker 3: but they're not stark raving America hating lunatics, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so I do. But process by which we
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  Speaker 2: get there.
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  Speaker 3: I think what I'd like to have is to have
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  Speaker 3: these America hating bug eyed Lyntics succeed in the primaries
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  Speaker 3: get stumped into obscurity by Republicans. So the Democrats learn
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  Speaker 3: their lesson for the next elections.
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  Speaker 2: But the risk is what if it doesn't go that way?
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  Speaker 3: Win?
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  Speaker 2: What if they win? They win? Look, look you talked
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  Speaker 2: Danny pollster James Tallerico is going to take Texas. He's
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  Speaker 2: gonna win. Well, I know you laughingly.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen how broken Pulling is and in fact, Dallas
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  Speaker 3: Express dot Com I'm writing for them now. My column
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  Speaker 3: yesterday said ignore the summer polls, here's how November is.
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  Speaker 2: Going to go. And then I remain confident about that. Gosh,
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  Speaker 2: I hope and pray you're right. But I want to
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  Speaker 2: go back to your theme about America hating Democrats. Look
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  Speaker 2: at what's been revealed about these high profile folks in
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  Speaker 2: the last just few weeks. And you can start with
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  Speaker 2: abdul Lsie, you can continue with Francesco Hong. Look at
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  Speaker 2: the things they've expressed contempt for football, Fireworks, Mackinaw Island,
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  Speaker 2: not to be confused with Makannaca Island, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving, all
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  Speaker 2: the thing you love it, they hate it. If it
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  Speaker 2: brings you joy, it is to be crapped on. And
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  Speaker 2: what and what's the connecting factor of those things that
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  Speaker 2: bring us joy? It's all stuff that is uniquely American. Now, fireworks,
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  Speaker 2: I guess we're invented in one Italy or Francis probably
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  Speaker 2: probably China. China, of course, Fourth of July.
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  Speaker 3: America loving celebratory Thanksgiving football.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any more American than football? The NFL, YEP
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  Speaker 2: think about and one of America's treasures Mackinaw Island. In
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  Speaker 2: other words, the things that make America great they hate
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  Speaker 2: and they say it Mark, they'd rather be in Lebanon.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean that. Look at what the mayor's wife
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  Speaker 2: of New York City wanted. She expected the New York
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  Speaker 2: Police Department to provide a security detail at taxpayer expense
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  Speaker 2: to go protect her when she went to visit her
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  Speaker 2: family and friends in Lebanon. This is this is the
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  Speaker 2: mayor's wife. And kudos to the NYPD. They said, stick
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  Speaker 2: it where the sun don't shine. Lady, we ain't going
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  Speaker 2: to Lebanon, putting ourselves in a war zone to protect
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  Speaker 2: your sorry ass. So you can go over and meet
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  Speaker 2: your your grandma in Lebanon, who's over in the with
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  Speaker 2: her pabushka over there in the in the in the
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  Speaker 2: in the in the shanty somewhere out in the desert.
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  Speaker 2: Are you out of your mind? And of course I
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  Speaker 2: love the optics of mom Donnie who wants to defund
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  Speaker 2: the police, but he wants the police to be protect
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  Speaker 2: his wife when she takes a John over to Lebanon.
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  Speaker 2: They'd be happier in Lebanon, Mark, they really would be there.
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  Speaker 3: They they find things to admire there, to be sure,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: and all of this is it is fascinating watching what
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: you might call the growing pains for Democrats. But I'll
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: tell you what I've enjoyed is watching the diminishing pain
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: experience by me in this shoulder because of relief factor.
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  Speaker 3: You guys have been talking about the Relief Factor Studios. Forever,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I've been saying the words Relief Factor Studios where I
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: fill in on all these shows, and now in these
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  Speaker 3: recent weeks, I'm a convert. I have become aware of
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  Speaker 3: how this can be a fact, quite a factor in
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: my life. Had this little man just not every day,
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  Speaker 3: just every few days when I'd be throwing the ball
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  Speaker 3: with the dogs or reaching for something in the cars
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  Speaker 3: like that hurts, It just doesn't anymore because of the
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned this morning there was something you wanted to
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  Speaker 2: dive into, and my memory being my memory, remind me
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  Speaker 2: what it was. Because you said on.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: A very very pro life feeling day where we're just
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: in angst over this Massachusetts a nightmare a case out
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: of Texas. I'll take a minute to describe it. We
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: played with it a little bit on our radio visit,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: but then the sound of that and then I just
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I welcome somebody from Texas Alliance for Life to kind
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: of describe the nuts and bolts, and it's just one
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of those things. It was talk show magic. It just exploded,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and I think everybody will realize why. Consider the case
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: of a California couple who, as many do, that they
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: were not able to she was not able to have
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: a baby grow in her womb, so they go the
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: surrogacy route. A lot of people do this. You can
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: eventually wind up being around to and whether we think
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: surrogacy is the greatest thing in the world. But listen,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: anything you got a childless couple and they can have
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a baby, and somebody else will say, hey, I'll have it,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: and then you know, here give it back. To you,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: and they got a baby. What's not to love? Well,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: that's if everything goes well. What if twenty weeks in
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: the baby shows evidence at a checkup of a serious,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: serious heart defect, something that is going to require immediate
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: surgery the minute the baby is born, and then two
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: more surgeries in rapid succession after that. Oh my gosh,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: that's some heavy lifting. But hey, that's what happened. That's
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: you get that curveball sometimes. Yeah, Well, these intended parents,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: the ones who had secured the surrogate mom, said we're
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: out and told the surrogate mom you need to get
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: an abortion. She is an Alaska nurse named McKenna West,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: And she said, I don't think so. I tailed it
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: here to Texas to protect this baby, whom she has
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: named baby Gabriel, not because she intends to necessarily keep it,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: but dog on it. She's gonna save it. And Attorney
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: General Ken Paxton seems mobilized to do the same thing.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: And so the talk show questions are, Mike get ready,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: does she have a right to go on the run
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: with this? I mean, the baby's in her belly, she
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: can go wherever she wants. But whose judgment call is this.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Is it hers wanting to save the baby, that's who
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I'm rooting for, or these parents who contracted for her service.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Does she have to get an abortion just because they
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: want it? Surely that's a no. And what do we
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: think about them? And what do we think about surrogacy?
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: So there we are right now, or her due date
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: appears to be the beginning of September. She's at about
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: thirty six thirty seven weeks right now, and this baby
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: has a rough road ahead, but the baby's going to live.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: If Texas has anything say about it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the inherent problem ofcy surrogacy, and we've
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: talked about it before, and you go into this whole
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: mindset that the parents who are spending the money, and incidentally,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: it is extraordinarily expensive. We're talking in many cases well
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: into six figures one hundred, one hundred and fifty, sometimes
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars. You pay not only the surrogate mom,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: but you pay for all of her expenses. You can
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: pay for her health care, you can pay for her
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: her meals, you pay for all kinds of there's I mean,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: it's it is a big, big business. And I think
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: there's a mindset that these parents have. We basically own her.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: She's ours. We're paying for this, We're paying for the procedure,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: we're paying for her to bring this baby into the world,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and if we want that baby aborted, that's our decision,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: not hers. It's a fascinating talk topic, as you said,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: but sadly it's real life. It's life or death for
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the baby. Because I don't understand how the parents can dictate.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, what does the surrogate mom want to do
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: with the child when she brings it into the world.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Well, she has two kids already. She she's a nurse,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: but you know, everything's in this crazy expensive affordability world.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: She's I don't think she's right. There's nothing in her
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that makes her look like she's ready to take on
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: a third kid, especially one that might very well have
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: special needs. But her brother McKenna's brother, and her wife
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: and his wife say, we will adopt this baby if
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: they're notetakers, if if this is the best thing, we
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: will adopt this baby. There seems to be a path
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: for this baby to be saved, and I just pray
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: for everything everything to go well. But boy, did this
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: go off the rails in a number of ways, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: something happened on the show. I'll share this that we
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: could either go to something else or whatever you want.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: So I'm in the middle of doing this right and
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: you and I have experienced this for years where you
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: got a fascinating issue, which this obviously is. Phone calls
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: are humming, things are going It's like, wow, this is wow.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about that great call, Thank you so much. Wow,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: text line, phone lines, everything's going along. It's a kind
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: of a talk show dream come true.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Sure. And then.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: In just little cherry on top, I'm taking a look
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: around to puts up a call and there's a gentleman
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: on the phone and he's going through the he's going
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: through the surrogacy thing right now. I said, okay, let's
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: go here. So I go to the gentleman and he's
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: going through the entire surrogacy thing with his husband.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Oh a gay couple. You got a couple again.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Gay surrogacy. Do we have room for another talk show topic?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: So here's what So number one. I was more than
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: glad to welcome him. I'm all about learning things and
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: letting people express themselves. And then we see what people
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: find out about it. Afterwards, so it was underway. So
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: he's he's in, by the way, two at once, because
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: they kind of like these to go in rapid succession
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: so they can get out of the diaper phase and
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: not spend five years in that with two kids, and
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: you know, like like what normally happen. So he's got
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: he's got two. He and his husband have two babies
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: in the oven by two different women, like right now.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: One of them is going to be like October, another
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: one a few months after that. So okay, that's happening.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: So there's I there's I have really no choice as
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: a decent human being than to say I hope that
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: goes well, and I hope that's healthy and great, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: you know, et cetera, et cetera. But then I had
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: to do it. I had to do it. I said, okay,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And he weighed in on surrogacy and on the issue,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and I said, okay. He got a couple of extra
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: minutes because you know what we got to do here,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: right He said, yes, I know, because he was as
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: a listener, what would you say to the people listening
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: right now who are saying that what you guys have
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: done is you have intentionally created babies intentionally who are
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: destined to have no mother, And he said, well, we
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: thought about that, and we have a lot of you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: women we are close to and they're going to be
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: in a like a god parent kind of situation. And
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I know which is not the same. And it's not
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: like you was saying that it was the same. It
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: was just just a sweet dude, good guy listener, took
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: my questions the hard ones along with easy ones. It
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: was a really pretty great but if you want to
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: go back to the eight am podcast six sixty am,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: he answered dot com podcast Mark Davis Boom, you can
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: hear the whole thing, but so is multiple things true
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: at the same time. Glad to have the call, Wish
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: him well, prayers for healthy kids. But no, no, this
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: just no, get no, he can't have No. Every every
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: baby deserves a mother. Mike, Am I wrong? Is that
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: a line I should not draw? I don't know that
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: it's a I don't know there's a right or wrong.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: You're entitled to believe that, and I you know, it
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: sounds to me like he's a good guy that is
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: going to make sure that there are women in his
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: life and there's a presence but like you said, it's
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: not the same as a mother and a father. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: think ideally we want to we want a mother and
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: a father and two point five kids and a white
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: in a house with a white picket fence, and life
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: just doesn't work that way.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And there's there's a lot of people, you know. I
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: have always sort of grappled and struggled with issues like
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: this because of the people in my life who I
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: happened to be very close to, including my first boss
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: one hundred years ago in radio, and he heard me
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: do a topic on my audition tape when he was
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: going to hire me, and it was about I think
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: it might have been an issue kind of close to this,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: and he wasn't sure where I stood on that, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: he took me out to a restaurant and he introduced
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: me to his partner and he said, I want you
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: to know, and this is like again, this is forty
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: forty years ago, whatever it was, and he said, I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: just want you to know. I don't ever care what
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: you say on the air. I'm never going to tell
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: you what to say, what to think. I just want
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to make sure that you meet my partner, Bill, because
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I want to make sure you're not uncomfortable working for me,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: And he said, now understand that I'm not saying this
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form to influence your beliefs.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And this man, who has since passed away, became one
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: of the most important people in my life. He was
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: a mentor. He was a good and wonderful guy. He
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: loved his community, he loved America, he served in Vietnam,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and happened to be one of the finest people I knew.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I have a very hard time listening to the way
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: people sling around an antagonistic view toward the LGBT community.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm not you know, look, I'm a Bible believing Christian.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to cast dispersions on somebody who has
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: a biblical opposition. It's just not I know a number
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: of couples, two men, two women who have raised wonderful
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: kids together, and those kids are happy and healthy and
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: frankly a lot more, a lot better, their heads are
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a lot screwed on, better than my kids are. And
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: the guess what, that kid, who's now maybe twenty five
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: thirty years old and a lawyer somewhere and living and
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: as a great member of society, had two moms or
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: two dads, so I you know, I know I'll get
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: some of that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Four it was that an adoption or did they do
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: the same.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: One was a surrogacy, and one was an adoption. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: know that you have an adoption. You got the kids
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: there already, and we can talk, We can talk no
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: matter what. But no, I get it, And I'm not
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: a national creation of life. That seems like an extra
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: bridged But isn't life just beautiful no matter what the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: reasoning is behind the creation. Let's let's go farther. How
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: about how about a baby that is brought into the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: world as a product of rape? How about a baby
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: that that a woman is raped and then is confronted
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: with does she abort the baby? It's not the baby's fault.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: It's it's not the unborn child's fault. And that's what
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that's what's so fascinating to me about. You know, we
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: can go down these paths and before you know it,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: we are we are down a rabbit hole that says,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: how do we look? Because do you know the conventional
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: wisdom is abortion should be should be outlawed except in
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the cases of rape and incest. You hear that over
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and over and again. And I'm all idiocy. You've always
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: said that, and I've always admired your consistency on that mark.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And it's easy for me to say and then I
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: and then I catch all kinds of holy you know what,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: you know you'll never go through this. That's absolutely true,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: by my own admission. But life is either unborn. Life
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: is either sacred or it's not.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: If it's not any and if you have the rape
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: and incest exception, then it's not sacred, is it. There
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: are situations where even if it's not sacred, it's not sacred,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: and you can get an abortion because you just don't
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: want a third kid, or you know you're busy, or
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: you don't have enough money.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: So is an unborn life okay?
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: If that if that human life is sacred, then the
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: circumstances of its creation make no difference.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Which we've just contradicted what you said about surrogacy to
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: a gay couple because that baby Wait a minute, if
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that baby is that right, is that baby any less
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: sacred if a surrogate mother being brought into the world
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to two men or two women, is that baby any
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: less sacred than that a straight couple who brings a
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: baby into the world.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Huge difference because with the surrogacy, it begins where there
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: is no baby, and everybody says, hey, let's make a baby,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: not through the normal situation of a married man and woman,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: but let's make a baby with surrogacy. For a gay couple.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: It is an intent from square one, the creation of
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: a child with the intent that it be motherless.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Is that baby any less sacred? Mark, Well, you're you're
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: wrong on this, You're it is. It is a very
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: good equivalence the product of a rape, the product of
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: a decision.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: You bring a surrogate baby. What with with a rape
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: a baby has been created. The question then becomes.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Why, But that baby is that baby? But that baby
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is sacred, and that baby is every bit of sacred
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: as as a baby born to a surrogate mom to
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: a gay couple. The sacredness of the baby is not
• 32:58
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  Speaker 2: we kind of wrap up today by me getting very
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: personal with you. I got emotional yesterday. I was so
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: proud of you. I didn't know you were going to
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: be on Will Caine's show on Fox News. They are
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: so smart to use you regularly. Will of course is
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: based in downtown Dallas, not a far drive for you
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: to go, and of course you're you're being spirited by
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: bodyguards and they they get chauffeurs and they bring the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: chariots to bring the valet. The valet drives the chariot
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: and comes and gets you. But I from watching you
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: on Fox News and watching our pal Joey Hudson on
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: a local TV station last night in South Carolina. He
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: was analyzing the South Carolina primary which came which turned
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: out just the way with you and I thought it
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: would go. Darlene Graham and Ralph Norman. I was just
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: overwhelmed with such pride for the two of you. You know,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: it's it's actually a lot of fun to do these
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: TV hits. I did them for years. I decided I
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: wanted to just focus on Salem and my radio show
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: and now my podcast and now Salem News Channel. But
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: but I know how how gratifying it is to do
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: those hits. They're hard to do. You know, you got
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: You're on that set for three, four, five, maybe six
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: minutes if you're lucky at a time. You got to
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: make those words count and mark you. Every time I
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: watch you do these TV hits, whether it's on Fox
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: News or News Nation, You're just so good and so
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: relaxed and so eloquent and articulate, and I just swelled
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: up with pride. Yesterday I'm watching that. I'm sitting there,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: didn't even know you were going to be there. And
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: there's there's Mark right right at the top of the show.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Another day, there you are. Yeah, they got you again
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: and bravo again you were You were magnificent in talking
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: about the DSA threat in America. The Comis and the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: socialists that are taking over the Democrats. Will obviously really
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: really spects you and likes you, and I just wanted
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: to get that off my chest. I'm so very proud
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: of you to to be your friend and to be
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: your podcast partner, because it's just it's just wonderful to
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: see a powerful voice like that elevated at a place
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: that everybody's watching, the number one rated cable news network
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: in in America, Fox News Channel. So kudos to you.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: And I didn't say that off the air, but I
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: wanted to say it, all.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Wow, well, can you warn a brother that that's coming.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I just I'm I'm just kind of gobsmacked with with
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: joy and appreciation. I thank you enormously, it said, because
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: for those who don't know, Mike was a Fox News contributor,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: meaning the things that they go down and do every
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: once in a while. They thought enough of him to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: throw him some bucks to be on the retainer to
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: come do that, and he did it with skill and
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: grace and precision for just years and years until what
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: we referred to as the milkshake heads and milkshake and
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: wait and listen. And he should have warned, he should
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: have warned this like a chocolate shake and a badge
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: of honor, because Wade was vanilla. That's why Steve White
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Stephen Miller so hated because he's that good. Why did
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: somebody dump a milkshake on you? Because you're that good
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: on Fox News? And it was Fox News's loss when
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: you decided, I think I'm about done with this, So
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I just well, I mean, we're wonderful yful veda South Carolina.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Just tomorrow fifteen other things in the news having invoked
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: South Carolina. Can I ask you one final Darlene question
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: to kind of tie bow around what happened in South Carolina.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: We touched on this a little on eminem radio version.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: She has thirteen days. She and Ralph Norman thirteen days
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Mano Almano rage in the cage. Here we go because
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: the runoff is on the twenty fifth. She up till
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: now has been very demure sort of and pardon the
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: way this sounds, and the grieving sister and lots of
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: to attract the and that sounds like it's calculated. And
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I don't mean it too, because I really like her.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: She's a neat lady and a woman of substance. I
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: think that's kind of has to change. I think this
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: is it's time. I think he's going to be coming
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: after her in some very delicate and measured ways, kind
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: of like, hey, Darlene, we love you, but six years
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: we don't know anything about you. I think she's going
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: to need to come back at him. And I told
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: you this morning that I don't know how that's going
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: to go. Patrick's Vtec who works for CN and now
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: he work for Texas Tribune. He's covering all the midterms.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: He has a quote from her that I wanted to
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: give to you, and I really want because you know
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: this state, you know these people, and I just want
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: to see how this strikes you. Quote from Darlene There's
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: a big distinction between myself and Ralph Norman. I'm a conservative,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I have conservative values. I'm willing to work hard for
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: the people. I'm willing to earn their votes. And yeah,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: we'll see other differences as the weeks go on.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if her approach is to question his
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: conservative bona fides, that's going to be a stretch. I
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: don't know where that now. On the other hand, I
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: mean he's got one thing that they can hang around
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: his neck, and that is his endorsement of Nicky Haley
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: for president over Donald Trump. Okay, when when I mean
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: in six sixty Yeah, yeah, when when they were first
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: all kind of gathering and they were they were we
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: were starting to put a field together of Republican nominees.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: He endorsed Nicky Haley.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I mean when it was just started, Okay, all right, yeah,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: that's well and okay, that's probably what she's referring to.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Mark I may maybe, but that's number one, ancient history,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Lindsay hat didn't hate Trump scuts. Let's find stuff. Lindsey
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: was saying at that exact same time, Let's find stuff.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: JB.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Vance was saying at that exact same time, peeriod grow
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: and Lindsay's one and tip, thank you ran against him.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: So got that ancient history thing, also, Nicky Haley fellow
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: South Carolinian. And if you got fifteen people going in
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: and obviously if he had a journey to come around
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: to Trump, which he obviously has, and she's going to
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: try to dredge up old ancient clips.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I think that's going to fail. Yeah, but you but
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: as a political in the in the guise of political warfare,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: you got to go after what is perceived to be
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: your political opponent's vulnerability. But that vulnerability does anybody Haley
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: come on of course years ago? Well but he did.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And so that's what she's got. I mean, that's what
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm agreeing with you that it's not but it's
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: not like it won't work. I mean it probably you know, well,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: it might some people. I mean, but that look, I
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: hear that criticism about here once in a while. Look,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make a prediction thirteen days before the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: outcome of the selection. No, I think, Mike, do not.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I think slightly here. I think. I think she wins.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I think Darlene Graham nordone is going to win out.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think it's I don't think it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: going to be that close. I think she's gonna win out.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, now, okay, okay, okay, okay, because she got thirty
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: two thirty three, right, yep, and and Ralph got high twenties,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: and then he.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Got twenty four, he got twenty four point three.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: In twenties, and then Russell Frye got twenties or nineteen
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: point seven. Mark Sandford go ahead eighteen point three. So
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: you look at so Russell Frye and Mark Sandford represent
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: thirty six percent, right, and you think that these people
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: who voted for them, thus not wanting Darlene, are going
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: to all of a sudden develop an affinity for Darlene.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: They're not all of a sudden. They already have an
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: affinity because of where their districts are represented where Russell
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Frye and Mark Sandford, who's in the low country. Look,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Darlene did very well in the low Country, even in
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Mark Sandford's own district. And the conventional wisdom here, the
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: thinking is that she'll pull, she'll pry or peel off
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: more Mark Sandford and Russell fry voters than Ralph will
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: and if she does, she wins. So then that's math
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: at work, so to the theory being to understand it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: The Russell fry Mark Sandford voter, if I had a
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: room full of them, Darlene was there very close second choice,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: and now that she's that, they're going to just instantly
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: pivot to them. That is certainly a way could go.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I viewed this perhaps on wisely we'll find out, because
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I'm going I'm going to disagree with you, and we'll
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: we'll just see what happens. And that is that I
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: called it kind of a referendum on Darlene. Thirty three
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: percent of the voters wantitor, sixty seven percent did not.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean they're else's going to win sixty seven
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: to thirty three, But even if it's you know, half
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: of that, it's fifty five forty five, and that's probably
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: what I think is going to happen. But hey, what
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: do I know.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Well, look, you're the guy that said that they could
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: never push Biden out of the presidency. You're that I said,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: yes they can, Yes they can. Look, I put I
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: put Joey, my other or other buddy on the spot today.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Joey Hudson was on the show this morning, and boy
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: did I push back on him. And I got to
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: give you threadit. He's quick. Here's what he said. He
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: said on air. Look, one thing's for certain, they're both
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: good candidates. Both Darlene Graham Nordone and Ralph Norman are
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: both good candidates. Well, I couldn't help myself now. He's
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: one of my dearest friends in the world. Of course,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I said, Joey, I love you. We've been through a
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: lot of highs and lows together over the last thirty
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: five years or so that i've known him. How do
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: you know she's a good candidate? What are you making
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: that on? And he and he acknowledged that she doesn't
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: have a political track record, that there's no record really
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: to go by. He said, did you vote for Donald
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Trump in twenty sixteen? I said, I did. He said,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: what legislative experience did he have? What political track record
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: did Trump possess? And I have to give him credit.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Pretty good, but pretty good. But that's a pretty good retort.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: He's right, Well, okay, I love Joey too, but no,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: And here's why why. Because Donald Trump was in our
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: lives for thirty years. We totally knew what he was.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: We told you what he stood for. He was interviewed
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: by a million people. Nobody knew Darlene Graham, you know,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: anybody until troms or two.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: But Trump wasn't known for the political ideology that he eventually,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: you know, very known quantity that we loved. So they
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: ran the Apprentice. I mean what known quantity? Real estate
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: was old mogul. He'd been on Donna Heale, he'd been
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: on Oprah. Here, well, we didn't know. We didn't know
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: about the border or about the mask up. We knew. Yeah,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I guess, well, we know that she's his little sister.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll know that Mike Gallagher is predicting
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: not just her win, but by a comfortable margin. Thirteen
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: days podcast is Forever, Mike. Two weeks from today, well,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: one of us will have to go whoops, and it
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: might and it might be me, probably will be me.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: And I like my chances. We're gonna see I like
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: our chances for another eminem kind words. You know what
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I mean. You don't have to do that. I just
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: know I want to just love you, love everybody. I
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: was gonna I was gonna call you that last night
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: and time on. Now do it. Let me do it
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: on the podcast. That will be funny to watch it.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: You got it, you got it. Check it out. Tell
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: your friends have a great Wednesday. Let's do it again tomorrow.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Love you,