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AI Won’t Take Your Job. Your Mindset Will: Mushambi Mutuma || Masterminds Podcast EP48 · Masterminds Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: AI allows you to be that superhero version of yourself.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: I talk about what growing up at Apple kind of did for me.
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SPEAKER_00: How do I raise capital?
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SPEAKER_00: The capital that you need to start a business is a c today on Masterminds, we are joined by Mushambi Mutama, tech leader, author, and one of Africa's leading voices on innovation and AI readiness.
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SPEAKER_00: With over 18 years building brands across Africa and the US, he has made a career of translating complex technology into real world action.
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SPEAKER_00: What is your take on the AI rush going on in the world?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man.
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SPEAKER_02: Um you know, leadership sometimes is about cutting.
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SPEAKER_00: Accuracy does not even exist.
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SPEAKER_00: Accuracy only exists after you've made the decision.
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SPEAKER_02: I think one thing that doesn't get spoken about enough is the curse of success.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about your book.
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SPEAKER_02: The benefit of failures is so many lessons learned.
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SPEAKER_00: Before we jump into the conversation, I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for supporting and deciding to watch this episode.
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SPEAKER_02: It's an absolute pleasure.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for the platform and all the work that you do and for having me.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you, thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm hoping we just have a nice conversation, um, interrogate your mindset, help my viewers be able to understand how they can succeed like you have, if they have the right mindset.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, for sure.
1:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay, nice, looking forward to it.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: I always like to start my interviews by this.
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SPEAKER_00: I want to understand the young version of you.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I want to understand what growing up was like that helped build the mindset that you have today.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: It's uh it's a deep question, man.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so I'm uh I'm originally from Zimbabwe.
2:13
SPEAKER_02: That's where that's where I was born.
2:15
SPEAKER_02: Um and uh spent a few years there.
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SPEAKER_02: I left Zim to go to the US when I was five.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but I think I distinctly remember growing up with my grandfather.
2:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh him and I had a very close relationship.
2:27
SPEAKER_02: Um he was just this larger than life figure, this huge guy.
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SPEAKER_02: He was a preacher, and uh we were very close.
2:33
SPEAKER_02: And I and I like to tease my cousins and family that I was his last favorite before he passed away.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I just remember him pouring into me.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh and I and I still, even though I only spent five years with him, I still have a vivid remember remembrance of him and his faith and uh and and his just kindness, and and I tried to model my life against the man that he was.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh and so yeah, man, he just poured into me and poured a lot of confidence into me.
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SPEAKER_02: I was also the only child for about eight years before my sister came along.
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SPEAKER_02: So I think I got a lot of my parents' attention when I was growing up, and they fueled my curiosity, they put me into sports and different activities, and yeah, I got that only child experience for a very long time that uh that really just I think pushed my curiosity for for life and for understanding things.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that means curiosity, yeah, early confidence, yeah, and an amazing grandfather.
3:32
SPEAKER_00: An amazing grandfather, I like that, I like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so what moment do you think um started to shape you to make you see that great future for yourself?
3:41
SPEAKER_00: I read you talking about um when you walked into Apple as a young African.
3:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
3:47
SPEAKER_02: So that's yeah, man.
3:48
SPEAKER_02: So my my father in particular has always been in technology.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, even when he was in Zim, uh working in the UK, um, and then shifted into the US.
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SPEAKER_02: So we went to the US in the early 90s, and I think my dad started at Apple in 1994.
4:04
SPEAKER_02: And so that was right when Steve Jobs had come back after kind of leaving Apple, he had returned.
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SPEAKER_02: And yeah, man, so my childhood for much of it was growing up essentially at Apple and uh and having having the privilege of meeting Steve when I was about 12 years old.
4:18
SPEAKER_02: Um and uh and I think really growing up there and growing up seeing my dad in this environment and getting to travel to Silicon Valley, you know, every few months with him, um, was just seeing this boom happen live in real life.
4:32
SPEAKER_02: And Apple really transitioning from just a computer company to kind of the brand that we know and love.
4:37
SPEAKER_02: And I got to tinker, man.
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SPEAKER_02: He brought home different gadgets every day, every week, that I just got to play with, and I got to test out games and new software that they were thinking about.
4:47
SPEAKER_02: And it was just an amazing childhood to just be able to play with all these tools and to have so much fun with them and and and and just grow up in that environment and watch the brand scale from kind of like a small company to this global phenomenon, yeah.
5:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's incredible, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So that means right from you you started to add gadgets to your life.
5:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you're the same person who tells me that it's not about gadgets or mindsets, yeah, for sure.
5:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: How does that play in, you know?
5:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I think you know, for me, um, and being in that environment and being around all this innovation, I think you get to see the the benefit of gadgets and the benefit of technology.
5:28
SPEAKER_02: But I think, you know, one of Apple's early campaigns in the in the mid-90s was a campaign, this big massive marketing comp campaign called Think Different.
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SPEAKER_02: And that was what the company stood for.
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SPEAKER_02: It wasn't just about the devices, it wasn't just about the technology.
5:42
SPEAKER_02: It was if you're gonna come here into this environment, we want you to think and be in a different way.
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SPEAKER_02: And if you're gonna interact with our products, we want our products to allow you to think and be a different way.
5:53
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
5:53
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's always kind of landed in the back of my mind that, as you say, mindset and curiosity and passion, that's what technology enables more than it is just about this.
6:05
SPEAKER_02: It's just a tool.
6:05
SPEAKER_02: This device that we're on, these tools that we're using, the cameras around the room.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: It's more of what you can do.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: It's what you can do with it, right?
6:11
SPEAKER_02: It's what you can build with this platform like you have, the stories that you can tell, the excellence that you can inspire.
6:17
SPEAKER_02: That's a different thing where the technology is really the tool to help you enable that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:22
SPEAKER_00: In your keynote, what's it called?
6:24
SPEAKER_00: This I shook hands with Steve.
6:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: So talk to me about that.
6:30
SPEAKER_00: What kind of philosophies do you feel that like it gave you that change of trajectory?
6:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I think, yeah, man.
6:37
SPEAKER_02: So I I mean, essentially in that keynote, as is one of a few that I talk about.
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SPEAKER_02: I talk about what growing up at Apple kind of did for me and seeing that innovation firsthand and seeing the culture that Steve actually built and what that meant for people and what it meant into pouring into the products that they were trying to build and the philosophies they built.
6:57
SPEAKER_02: You know, one of the the ones that I love the most is that when Steve rejoined Apple, they had they were about two weeks or two months away from going bankrupt.
7:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
7:06
SPEAKER_02: The company was in dire straits.
7:08
SPEAKER_02: And at that time, they had 314 different products.
7:11
SPEAKER_02: Oh they had a product for everything.
7:14
SPEAKER_02: He shifted that, got rid of all of that, got rid of a lot of people, and brought that down to four products.
7:19
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
7:20
SPEAKER_02: Right?
7:20
SPEAKER_02: They had a a um a laptop and a desktop computer, one for business and corporate, one for personal use.
7:27
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
7:27
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And what that shift did is that, you know, leadership sometimes is about cutting, cutting down and thinking about simplicity and pouring into just what we do the absolute best, and making yourself known for that alone.
7:41
SPEAKER_02: And there's so many examples and stories about Steve and the culture that he built and the ability that he put into his people to kind of think outside of reality about what could be potentially possible.
7:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:52
SPEAKER_02: Right.
7:53
SPEAKER_02: And um, so yeah, when I tell that story and those stories and advise clients with kind of that keynote, it's really about that culture and the mindset of what you can then achieve, and how um uh culture is actually more important than anything else, and how pushing your people to imagine beyond is actually more important than anything else.
8:11
SPEAKER_02: Then the business model comes, then products come, then operations come, but really that's what set.
8:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's what set the business to what it is that we all essentially know and love.
8:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay, right?
8:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:23
SPEAKER_00: So one thing people always talk about when they talk about culture, yeah, next is building systems.
8:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:28
SPEAKER_00: And I have personally realized that one thing we suffer with in Africa a bit is building systems.
8:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:36
SPEAKER_00: What do you think attributes to that and how can we build better systems for ourselves?
8:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know.
8:41
SPEAKER_02: I think um we're really good at just making a plan and making things work, right?
8:47
SPEAKER_02: But hook or crook or whatever way we figure it out, right?
8:50
SPEAKER_02: And I think sometimes our ingenuity might get in the way of our systems.
8:54
SPEAKER_02: Because we don't need a system, we're always just gonna make a plan.
8:56
SPEAKER_00: We'll find a way.
8:57
SPEAKER_02: Trust this guy, whatever you're gonna do today, you're gonna sort this thing out, you know.
9:01
SPEAKER_02: And I think that maybe gets in the way of building the systems that we have.
9:05
SPEAKER_02: But I think if you can compound our African creativity and ingenuity and passion and and and push to do more and our ability, our work effort, which is I think is our our superpower, if you can put that on top of systems, then we can really scale and grow.
9:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and I and I think there's there's a few kind of case studies that that exist like that.
9:26
SPEAKER_02: I think if you think of um platforms like MPESA um and what that's been able to do and achieve by simply an idea of just helping people exchange money, if you think in the South African context of you know the 6060 story and ShopRite and what they've been able to scale in e-commerce, um, there's also a brother, and I'm forgetting his name, but an African founder of the platform Calendly, which is a platform that's worth like two billion dollars.
9:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
9:52
SPEAKER_02: It's just ingenuity, African creativity, problem solving.
9:55
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I didn't know Calendly.
9:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but if I if I remember correctly, the brother is is Nigerian originally.
10:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he built that up with a 12-man team to a multi-billion dollar business by leveraging, I guess, our magic, technology, and then systems on top of that.
10:12
SPEAKER_02: And then you get scale.
10:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:14
SPEAKER_02: And I think um, you know, one of the things that I talk about, especially with founders and young entrepreneurs, is understanding that we have to think with scale in mind also.
10:23
SPEAKER_02: And I think systems helps with that, right?
10:25
SPEAKER_02: Is that instead of this being a Ghanaian business or South African business or Joe Burg business, how can I build initially thinking that all my customers, all my viewers and listeners can be anywhere in the world, right?
10:36
SPEAKER_02: That's a different mindset.
10:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:38
SPEAKER_02: And then in order to achieve that, of course, you need systems.
10:40
SPEAKER_00: Like comment to essay.
10:41
SPEAKER_00: That's it, right?
10:42
SPEAKER_00: So exactly.
10:43
SPEAKER_02: Is that you're you're already thinking in a pan-African and a global sense.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: You're not thinking that this is just a Ghanaian show or platform, this is for anybody everywhere, yeah, all places.
10:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, and that kind of process, and then you know, the logistics behind all of that, the scale that you're thinking about, the conversations, the research that you did, which is quite intensive, right?
11:03
SPEAKER_02: Is what allows you to have the success that you're having already with this platform.
11:07
SPEAKER_02: And I think it's a perfect example as well.
11:09
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, thank you.
11:10
SPEAKER_00: But one thing, everybody watching who's trying to start a business has this question.
11:16
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
11:17
SPEAKER_00: How do I raise capital?
11:20
SPEAKER_00: Because I hear so many people say I can't start a business because I don't have capital.
11:25
SPEAKER_00: And then some say, you don't need capital to start a business.
11:29
SPEAKER_00: And then some say, give me money and I'll start a business.
11:31
SPEAKER_00: Like, where's your stance on that?
11:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I think I probably have a very unpopular stance.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, and my stance is that the capital that you need to start a business is a customer.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: That's the most important capital that you can ever get, is actually a customer and convincing one person to give you one dollar to do something, right?
11:53
SPEAKER_02: That's the best because an investor is super expensive.
11:57
SPEAKER_02: Right?
11:58
SPEAKER_02: If I give you money right now, if I give you a million dollars or I give you$250,000, yeah, in 18 months, I want you to double that money, triple that money, quadruple that money, give it back to me, and still have a business.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:11
SPEAKER_00: Because I could have just put in an investment and that's what I want.
12:14
SPEAKER_02: So taking capital, taking investment is actually really expensive.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:18
SPEAKER_02: The best way to start a business is to convince a customer, and then you get value, you get loyalty, you build a community.
12:26
SPEAKER_02: Capital and investment is for scale.
12:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:29
SPEAKER_02: After we've launched, now we're in four different markets, or we're in one market and we think there's a path to four, that's where we take money.
12:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:36
SPEAKER_02: That's the best way.
12:37
SPEAKER_02: It's you, it's for growth, not for starting.
12:40
SPEAKER_02: And so I think that it's a really, I don't know, I'd say it's even a lazy way to build.
12:45
SPEAKER_02: Because convincing someone to give you money to start an idea, um, you're not convincing me you actually have a business and that you're a business person.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: You're just an idea person and you want some money.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: I think a best way to build a business and to build passion and to actually be an entrepreneur, solve a problem, convince people to give you money for it, and begin.
13:02
SPEAKER_02: Later on, we can talk about raising money.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: And I also do, I talk about this thing all the time.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: I talk about failure.
13:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:10
SPEAKER_00: And when I was younger, I used to be afraid of failure.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: And then I came to realize, hey, failure is the best thing that can happen.
13:15
SPEAKER_00: It's important.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: And you will fail.
13:18
SPEAKER_00: Whatever business you start, you will fail in some sort of way.
13:21
SPEAKER_00: Now, failing with your own time, your own experience, your own money, yeah, is manageable.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:28
SPEAKER_00: Failing with someone else's money.
13:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:31
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: It's a tough market, right?
13:34
SPEAKER_02: Very, very tough.
13:35
SPEAKER_02: And also, I think the African economy and ecosystem also doesn't have a culture of that, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Where from an investment standpoint, where I can put in money and not expect anything.
13:45
SPEAKER_02: Patient capital.
13:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
13:46
SPEAKER_02: That doesn't exist here.
13:47
SPEAKER_02: Here like I give you money, give it back.
13:51
SPEAKER_03: I'm counting down the days.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: So it's especially hard in this market.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:02
SPEAKER_00: One of the most difficult things to do in financial planning is saving and investing towards a big goal.
14:08
SPEAKER_00: Now, let me tell you my secret that I used to overcome this challenge.
14:12
SPEAKER_00: I started to do small top-ups consistently on Achieve by Petra to save and invest towards my bigger financial goal.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: For instance, when I decided to come and shoot Masterminds in South Africa, I decided to top up daily, weekly, anything that I could until I raised enough to afford my tickets, my hotel, everything to bring this podcast to you from South Africa.
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SPEAKER_00: So if you're like me and you want to overcome this challenge of saving and investing towards a big goal, use Achieve by Petra.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: The link is in the description.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about something interesting.
14:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's there's one thing that is turning the world upside down right now that I've heard you talk about intelligently.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: So I can finally express myself today.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
15:01
SPEAKER_00: Artificial intelligence.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:05
SPEAKER_00: Just first of all, what is your take on the AI rush going on in the world right now?
15:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man.
15:11
SPEAKER_02: Um I think there's two parts, right?
15:14
SPEAKER_02: I think that we're experiencing the fastest technology technological boom that has ever existed in in mankind, ever, um, and one lens.
15:24
SPEAKER_02: So it is happening.
15:26
SPEAKER_02: And at the same time, there's a lot of hype and a lot of noise about the capabilities.
15:31
SPEAKER_02: And so it's about trying to marry the two.
15:33
SPEAKER_02: But how do we keep up with this thing that's starting to happen?
15:37
SPEAKER_02: And then how do we make sure that we're not getting you know tripped up by the all the promises and all the job losses that are gonna occur because of this thing, we're all gonna lose our jobs, nothing's gonna exist anymore.
15:49
SPEAKER_02: Creativity is dead.
15:50
SPEAKER_02: The comment about the singularity, the singularity, right?
15:53
SPEAKER_02: The machines have taken over.
15:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and if you've been in inside any corporate or inside any bank, you know that we're a long way from the machines taking over.
16:04
SPEAKER_02: These people haven't figured out Excel.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: Let alone AI.
16:08
SPEAKER_00: Very true.
16:09
SPEAKER_00: Even some people's calculators like how does this button work?
16:12
SPEAKER_02: So it's both sides, especially in the African context, because you you know, we're we are first world in some environments and then we're developing world in some environments.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: So we have to make sure that we keep up and we're globally competitive, but then we also can't leave our population behind.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: And so, how do we use these tools?
16:28
SPEAKER_02: How do we use this technology to advance ourselves and to push, but to also make sure that hey, we acknowledge that yeah, there's a lot of people that we have to bring along the journey as well.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: So, my main reason for bringing AI up as we're talking about startups, is it seems like in 2025, 2026 is the easiest time to start up.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: Because what AI tools can now do for you, yeah, it can give you so much education, so much leverage that you didn't have access to before.
17:00
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
17:01
SPEAKER_00: So being an expert as you are, how do you think that person starting right now can attach AI to whatever they have to make their entrepreneurship journey easier?
17:11
SPEAKER_02: No, it's such a good point, man.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: And you know, one of my first businesses that ran for about 11 years was a development, kind of a product design house and a development house.
17:21
SPEAKER_02: So we had a bunch of designers, we had a bunch of strategists, and we had a bunch of developers.
17:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, if I had to start that business over from scratch right now, it would never be a business of 14.
17:31
SPEAKER_02: It wouldn't have to be, right?
17:32
SPEAKER_02: Because right now, if I have a concept, if I have an idea, you and I are sitting here and we want to launch a platform, we can vibe code that thing, come up with an amazing prompt using Chat GPT or Gemini, put that thing into a platform called Lovable or Replit, right?
17:47
SPEAKER_02: And they can build that platform or that mobile application idea within minutes.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: Right.
17:52
SPEAKER_02: And we can hit publish, and by by next week we're we're live and we're marketing.
17:56
SPEAKER_02: And so the the tools that exist right now make the path to get to market so much faster.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay, right?
18:04
SPEAKER_02: They can expand your creative ideas so much faster and almost for free.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: So there's amazing tools and capabilities that exist right now.
18:12
SPEAKER_02: But at the same time, if I'm an entrepreneur, there's also a lot of noise in the market.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: Do we need another application?
18:19
SPEAKER_02: Do I need another platform?
18:20
SPEAKER_02: Do I need another AI-powered X?
18:22
SPEAKER_02: And so for me, AI should be used to expand your creativity, should be used to expand your reach and your markets, right?
18:30
SPEAKER_02: And the research and the tools that you have and the data that you're thinking about.
18:34
SPEAKER_02: There's so many use cases for that, right?
18:36
SPEAKER_02: If we think about producing a platform like this, right, AI should be used to find your next guest, should be used to help you with research, it should be used to translate this into how many African languages should be used to export this to all parts of the globe and to segment this down into social media posts, YouTube posts with different strategies for all kinds of archetypes.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: AI should be used to do that, right?
19:02
SPEAKER_02: Instead of just we record, we hit pray and we publish.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: Right.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: And so I think that every part of your environment and your job and your duties, you should be plugging AI to say, how can I push this further?
19:15
SPEAKER_02: How can I push this thinking further?
19:17
SPEAKER_02: Would have that not considered?
19:18
SPEAKER_02: How would Mr.
19:19
SPEAKER_02: Beast do this?
19:21
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
19:22
SPEAKER_02: Or anybody else, how would they think about this?
19:24
SPEAKER_02: And that's the the power that's in your pocket, right?
19:27
SPEAKER_02: For essentially for free.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:30
SPEAKER_00: Things that you would have had to pay experts for at first to help you out.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:34
SPEAKER_02: I mean, think about it.
19:34
SPEAKER_02: I mean, producing this platform 10 years ago would have been tremendously expensive.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: Right.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: And thinking about reach to multiple countries all across the globe, it would have been impossible.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: Right.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: Now it's all readily available.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: You know, the the example that I often use is that AI allows you to be that superhero version of yourself.
19:54
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't replace you, doesn't get rid of you, but it enhances your powers, it enhances your capabilities.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: So that's what we must tap into.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: That's how we must use it.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: So then that defeats the myth that AI is going to take our jobs.
20:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:08
SPEAKER_02: You know, I I I I I really haven't seen many jobs that are going to be fully replaced by AI.
20:15
SPEAKER_02: I haven't yet.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: But I've seen a lot of job functions be replaced by AI.
20:20
SPEAKER_02: Right.
20:20
SPEAKER_02: Um and I think that that's a reality, right?
20:23
SPEAKER_02: If we think about post-production, that's been replaced by AI, that capability.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: But has creativity been replaced?
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Has the need for wisdom be replaced?
20:33
SPEAKER_02: No, it's all still there.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: And so I I worry less about jobs and entire industries being replaced, but the reality is every single job must be using this thing.
20:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:43
SPEAKER_02: Right.
20:43
SPEAKER_02: And we liken it to kind of the smartphone movement of 10, 20 years ago, right?
20:49
SPEAKER_02: If you think about now, could you function, could you operate your business right now without a smartphone?
20:55
SPEAKER_02: You couldn't, you wouldn't last a day.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: You know when social media came, there was a lot of resistance to traditional media felt like this isn't real media, this isn't real journalism and everything.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: But now you can't operate a business without smartphones.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: That's where the eyeballs are, right?
21:09
SPEAKER_02: That's where we are.
21:10
SPEAKER_02: So you've made all these adjustments.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: Has business completely been replaced?
21:14
SPEAKER_02: No, it's had to sh make these shifts and evolutions as the technology evolved, right?
21:20
SPEAKER_00: So this means we need to start integrating AI into everything that we do.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: But how do we get people to accept and understand that?
21:30
SPEAKER_00: I was I was watching something, I was watching a battle going on about AI copyright.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes, where they were talking about the fact that um let's say a a generated image on AI is not authentic, yes, it's not creative, so you can't copyright it.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then somebody commented on that and mentioned the fact that when photography was introduced, it took fifty years before they allowed you to copyright a photograph because everyone said it's not real art, because real art is when
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Painted or drawn, exactly.
22:01
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: So at what point do you think we start to shift and understand that okay, these are just tools the same way we went from calculating on the in our mind to the abacus to the calculator.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: For sure, for sure.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: Excel.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: These are just tools that can enhance.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: So at what point do we get people to start embracing it?
22:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a really good point.
22:25
SPEAKER_02: I think the the easiest path to get people to embrace the latest tools is to let them play with it.
22:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
22:32
SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, it's super scary, super intimidating.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: It's like it it is this robot that's gonna replace me.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: It's this thing that's doing things I've never seen before, right?
22:41
SPEAKER_02: I don't understand it.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: But if we can just get people to play with the technology, play with an LLM, play with Chat GPT, just a little bit, ask it some questions.
22:48
SPEAKER_02: That's the first step.
22:50
SPEAKER_02: I think when it comes down to creativity and copyright, we do have to be careful about not outsourcing everything and all of our capabilities.
22:59
SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, the next version of this show is is you know our digital twins, right?
23:10
SPEAKER_00: But the accent was wrong.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: But soon it won't it won't be, right?
23:15
SPEAKER_02: But we have to we can't outsource.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: Now I can't send my digital twin to come talk to yours, and we completely outsource our thinking because I look on LinkedIn often, and you'll see an AI-generated post and then a million AI generated comments, and it's like everyone's AI is now talking to each other, and it looks completely ridiculous.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: And you're like, who's winning here?
23:34
SPEAKER_02: No one, right?
23:35
SPEAKER_02: So I think we can't fully outsource that, right?
23:38
SPEAKER_02: And and think about you know, all of our thinking, all of our creativity handed over to the machines.
23:43
SPEAKER_02: How do we use it to help our lives better, not replace us?
23:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the the blurred line that we have to be careful of.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: And you know, I was watching somebody talk about AI, yeah, and they said something so valuable where they said we shouldn't let AI replace what we do, but enhance what we do.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: So for instance, if you need to write an essay or you need to write a proposal, don't go to an LLM and say, write a proposal for blah blah blah.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: Do your write-up.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Then put that in the AI and tell it that what am I missing here?
24:17
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: What angle did I not think about?
24:19
SPEAKER_00: How can I make this better?
24:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's exactly it.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: And that's how I use it.
24:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think about even writing my book, right?
24:25
SPEAKER_02: Is that you could outsource your thinking and say, hey, write me a book about leadership.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: And give me the, you know, the 10 best and what might be a bestseller.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: And then it'll be generic.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: It'd be completely generic and clear.
24:36
SPEAKER_02: But if I can put in, here's my thoughts about this, here's this chapter, and here's this chapter, and here's this thought, is there connection?
24:43
SPEAKER_02: Help me edit this book and help me think about hey, where did I miss?
24:46
SPEAKER_02: Am I repeating something too much here?
24:48
SPEAKER_02: Have I missed something completely here?
24:50
SPEAKER_02: Where do I get better research about this?
24:52
SPEAKER_02: Right.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: And again, it enhances, it doesn't replace, it enhances.
24:56
SPEAKER_02: That's still my thought, that's still my perspective, that's still my thinking.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: But now the editing process has been sped up, right?
25:02
SPEAKER_02: My research and the case studies that I can pull from has been so much more expanded than my own thinking.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: That's the opportunity.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we need to treat AI like that cape that gives us superpower.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: It's a superpower enabling thing.
25:16
SPEAKER_02: That's all it is.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: But at the end of the day, you're still you, right?
25:20
SPEAKER_02: You're still you, but I'd rather be a superhero.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about your book.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: Talk to me, the adaptability code.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Re recoding the DNA of future ready leadership.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Explain this book to me.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: Let me let me give you a prompt.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: Explain this book to me like I'm a 10-year-old.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: That's a very good way.
25:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, so I I talk a lot about leadership.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Over my career, I've sold a lot of technology, sold a lot of digital transformation, yeah, million-dollar projects.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: But what I realized is that change and adopting new thinking is really difficult no matter how valuable it is.
25:59
SPEAKER_02: No matter how game-changing this AI is, it's super scary.
26:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:03
SPEAKER_02: So I thought, what do I need first in order to still make that sale?
26:07
SPEAKER_02: In order to still take people from here to there, in order to get them to put on that superhero cape, as you mentioned.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: And I thought it's mindset.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: And which is, you know, the platform that you've you've built out with this, right?
26:19
SPEAKER_02: Is that we need a mindset that says, how do we get on board with change?
26:23
SPEAKER_02: How do we get on board with disruption?
26:24
SPEAKER_02: How do we get on board things constantly evolving and moving?
26:28
SPEAKER_02: And that's adaptability.
26:29
SPEAKER_02: Adaptability says I can constantly evolve, I can constantly change to the environment around me, even if the ground is literally shifting underneath me.
26:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm adaptable.
26:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm kidding, I can still stay strong.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: I can still get on board with wherever things are going, no matter how much change is happening.
26:45
SPEAKER_02: And I thought that's a more valuable journey that we need to take leadership, people, managers, whoever on, students, just to get them on board because technology is not going to slow down, it's going to keep moving.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: Disruption is not going to slow down, it's going to keep getting more and more aggressive.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: So change is never going to stop.
27:01
SPEAKER_02: It's only going to continue speeding up.
27:03
SPEAKER_02: How do we get on board with that?
27:04
SPEAKER_02: Is we need to build up this adaptability.
27:07
SPEAKER_02: So the book is about mindset.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: There's elements about technology, there's elements about AI, but it's a book that says, How do I get on board with the traits that make me more adaptable, more ready for change?
27:19
SPEAKER_00: I like that.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: I always I define it as fixed mindset versus growth mindset.
27:24
SPEAKER_02: That's exactly it.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: I think we're sort of trained wrong, most of us.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: But we're made to feel like if you were here, you are going to be there for the rest of your life.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes, for sure.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I am good at maths and I'm not good at English.
27:39
SPEAKER_00: So I'll forever be good at math and I'll never be good at English.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: Whereas having a growth mindset is understanding that I can change.
27:47
SPEAKER_00: I like this today, I can like that tomorrow.
27:48
SPEAKER_00: I can add this on.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: I personally have transformed so many times in my life that it's made me realize, oh, anything is possible for me.
27:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's so many versions of you that are possible.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, you're it's a true model of adaptability for sure.
28:04
SPEAKER_02: But that's that's a it's a requirement to survival, right?
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Forget success, forget being able to be here 10 years from now.
28:10
SPEAKER_02: It's a requirement just to survive, as you have to be able to continuously change, see the information around you, see the environment around you, shift.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Think about even your own growth is that who you are now with a few more gray hairs is very different than the 20-year-old version of you, right?
28:26
SPEAKER_02: And so that that growth is kind of non-negotiable.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: And especially because we live in a very dynamic world right now.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, one thing every futurist will tell you is this is the first time ever we can predict what's coming next.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: At first, we could always predict that, oh, in the next five to ten years.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: This is here.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: This is here.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: If you ask me what's going to happen in 2030, no one knows.
28:48
SPEAKER_02: Forget 2030, 2026.
28:49
SPEAKER_02: What's going to happen six months from now?
28:51
SPEAKER_02: We don't really know.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: We just know that it's moving faster than ever before.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: And that that's that's exactly the premise behind the book is that I I first wrote a book about technology because my first book back in 2019, Tech Adjacent, was really about understanding how technology works and how it evolves.
29:07
SPEAKER_02: Right?
29:07
SPEAKER_02: Good book, still relevance, a lot of still case studies there that are that are gems and still being valuable in the market.
29:14
SPEAKER_02: I started rewriting a book essentially about where technology is today.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: And in November last year, I threw it all away.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: 90,000 words.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: Because it had moved.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: It had moved on.
29:24
SPEAKER_02: I was like, well, the world doesn't need another book about tech.
29:26
SPEAKER_02: And every time I write a chapter, something changes.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: Next week, something changes.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: Sam Altman does something to change Chat GBT, and then like my points are completely irrelevant.
29:36
SPEAKER_02: So I thought the world doesn't need another take of where technology is, because as soon as we publish this, as soon as this podcast launches, this episode launches, things are already gonna evolve, right?
29:47
SPEAKER_02: Faster than ever.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: So how do we get the mindset ready first?
29:50
SPEAKER_00: So then if we bring it back to AI, yeah, and the biggest fear people have that AI is going to take our jobs, yeah, maybe if we learn how to adapt, AI won't take our jobs.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: It won't.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Because if you look at something like going from the agricultural era to the industrial era, when you had hundred people being on a farm to harvest the crops, and then they invented tractors.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: And now you just needed three people to do it.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: So 97 people are out of a job, not really because someone needs to build the tractors.
30:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
30:22
SPEAKER_02: Farming still exists, agriculture still exists as a sector, exactly, right?
30:26
SPEAKER_02: But now, to your point, is that if I'm a farmer today and I have a farm today, whatever I'm farming, whether it's wheat or corn or whatever it is, maze, this is what I need now is the tools to say, let me assess my crops, right?
30:39
SPEAKER_02: Let me assess the rains, let me have with great predictability understand what the drought's gonna be.
30:44
SPEAKER_02: Let me uh take a quick picture of whatever disease is now infected on my crop and know exactly what it is without having somebody in.
30:52
SPEAKER_02: All of that is now immediately available because of AI and the tools that we have.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: You have so much more data.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: Are you still a farmer?
30:58
SPEAKER_02: Is farming still relevant?
31:00
SPEAKER_02: Certainly, but the tools at your disposal are much better than what they were 100 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.
31:07
SPEAKER_02: And if you're continuously evolving and using those things, your job continuously evolves and changes, right?
31:13
SPEAKER_02: So you're still doing the same thing, you're still here, you're still valuable, but you've changed and you've evolved in so many different versions.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: You keep adding on to your thing.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: Because even one thing most people haven't understood about AI is that AI is only as powerful as the person using it.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: So I can go and prompt AI right now and ask it for medicine based on my symptoms.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
31:38
SPEAKER_00: But trust me, if a doctor was prompting, it would be more accurate because the information garbage in, garbage out.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: That's all the same.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: It's it's so funny that you say that because what I I saw recently is in the medical field, they thought that radiologists and x-ray experts were gonna get replaced because of AI, right?
32:00
SPEAKER_02: And actually their jobs have increased by a hundredfold.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: Right?
32:04
SPEAKER_02: Because AI is so valuable to them and they're so able to diagnose and see so many things, they're using x-rays and radiology a hundred times more to assess even more things.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: So they're like, oh, this can do even more things.
32:17
SPEAKER_02: My job is even better.
32:18
SPEAKER_02: So you didn't replace me.
32:19
SPEAKER_02: I still have to take this image, assess it, understand it, know the medical nuances, yeah, right.
32:25
SPEAKER_02: And so my job is actually grown instead of being replaced.
32:28
SPEAKER_02: Right.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: But a year ago they thought, ah, radiology, dead, but it's actually grown.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: I think it's incredible.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: A normal human fear.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: I think we are all so afraid of either dying or being replaced.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: That's it, man.
32:41
SPEAKER_02: We don't want to get left behind.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: We don't want to get left behind.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: And we're also scared of change, yeah.
32:45
SPEAKER_02: Right?
32:46
SPEAKER_02: Our brains, neurologically, they don't like to do things we don't know.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: We don't like the unknown.
32:51
SPEAKER_02: We like to do things exactly the way they are.
32:53
SPEAKER_02: The neural pathways in our brain, they want predictability, they want, they want ease, right?
32:58
SPEAKER_02: Your brain doesn't want any new things.
33:01
SPEAKER_02: The new things are scary, right?
33:03
SPEAKER_00: And so we cheat our brain and let it light new things.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: How do we make our brain more adaptable?
33:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, it's for well, firstly, you buy the book.
33:11
SPEAKER_02: Buy the book, guys.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: No, man, but the this there's so many tools in the book, and I'm so glad that you said that.
33:18
SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, for me, the traits of adaptability that we talk about in the book, the the first one is about resilience, is building a stronger mind that's that's got a tougher skin, a thicker skin, right?
33:29
SPEAKER_02: The next one is foresight.
33:30
SPEAKER_02: We we train our brains by looking around, understanding different markets, not just what's happening in my sector, in media, in Ghana, what's happening in agriculture, what's happening in retail, what's happening in communications, what's happening in digital across the world, how does that affect me?
33:44
SPEAKER_02: The third one is curiosity, right?
33:46
SPEAKER_02: How do we ask more questions?
33:48
SPEAKER_02: How do I just get hungry for more and more information?
33:50
SPEAKER_02: How do I play more and experiment more?
33:53
SPEAKER_02: Then we talk about agility, which is about moving quickly, making decisions quickly, right?
33:59
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of times we get stuck in kind of this thing of I want all the information, I want all the data, I need to get everyone's opinion, and we never move.
34:08
SPEAKER_02: Right?
34:08
SPEAKER_02: Agility is like, let me just go with what I have right now and just just for speed, right?
34:13
SPEAKER_02: And then lastly is a mindset of care.
34:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, I it used to be thinking about empathy, but but the reason I shifted into care is care takes responsibility, especially from a leadership standpoint, takes responsibility for people's growth.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay, takes responsibility for putting you in the best environment to succeed.
34:32
SPEAKER_02: So I think now more than ever, in order to be adaptable, in order to be great leaders, is we have to take our people along with us because of the fear, because of the worry, is that we have to be more caring.
34:42
SPEAKER_02: And I I liken it to having plants.
34:45
SPEAKER_02: If you have a plant, you put that plant in the best lighting, you put it, you, you, you, you, you water it according to the schedule of how much water it needs, you give it the right amount of food, you change the pot every now and then because it's outgrown it.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: That's the environment that we should take to our employees and the people around us is that we care for them, we take responsibility to put them in the best environment for them to grow.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: And so for me, if we can master these kind of five traits of adaptability, then we can hack it, we can change our brains, we can build that new DNA.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: I like that.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I really like what you're talking about with care as a leader.
35:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I believe most leaders don't understand that leadership is service.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a hundred percent it.
35:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
35:25
SPEAKER_00: So you have most leaders wanting their people to care for them.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not understanding that you've taken out the responsibility of caring for them.
35:34
SPEAKER_02: Of caring for them, right?
35:35
SPEAKER_02: And their families.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, once you're responsible for one, you're responsible for many, yeah.
35:39
SPEAKER_02: Right.
35:39
SPEAKER_02: And I think it's an African thing, is we want we've got that chief complex, right?
35:43
SPEAKER_02: So that we must all be the boss, they must all, you know, wait on us.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: Whereas, no, man, this role means I'm serving you, I'm putting you in the position to grow and succeed.
35:52
SPEAKER_02: And then we all benefit, we all grow.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I also want to ask about the decision making that you spoke about.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so when it comes to decision making as a leader, yeah, which do you think is more valuable?
36:02
SPEAKER_00: Speed or accuracy?
36:05
SPEAKER_02: That's a good one.
36:07
SPEAKER_02: The typical consulting answer is it depends.
36:11
SPEAKER_02: Right, but let me not give you that one.
36:13
SPEAKER_02: I'd say, you know, in this case, um I'd say speed matters.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, because sometimes, like I said, about agility is that we get caught up in wanting all the information, we get caught up in analysis, paralysis, and then we never move anywhere.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: Right?
36:29
SPEAKER_02: Because we want 100% accuracy, we just go and we stay and we stay.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: Whereas sometimes you just need to act and you learn along the way.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: You just need to release an episode and you learn, okay, no, lighting needs to improve here, microphones need to improve here, we're missing this aspect.
36:45
SPEAKER_02: You wouldn't do that if you try to analyze, analyze, analyze and get all the accuracy on day one.
36:50
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes speed is required, then you get more accurate along the way as you're going.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: Because you understand, okay, we need to course correct here, we need to course correct here.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: But if you never start, right, even birds, you have to kind of go before you can start flying.
37:05
SPEAKER_02: You kind of have to jump.
37:07
SPEAKER_02: You have to jump, and then you start flapping, right?
37:10
SPEAKER_02: And then you have to go.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: But if you're trying to say, I'm trying to pinpoint here and get there, yeah, before you you sometimes you just gotta jump.
37:16
SPEAKER_00: I think what happens to most people is they watch the final version of someone, or or let's say the the best version of someone, sure, and think that they are too low to get there, so they start to analyze themselves too much.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: Like you come to start a podcast and you're watching Diary of a CEO, you're watching No Robbins, and you're like, but I don't have this light and I don't have these hours, I don't have these guests.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you don't realize that Steve Bartlett started in his living room on his phone.
37:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, where was he a thousand episodes ago?
37:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a very good point.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: And I was actually Steve Bartlett said something where he mentioned that the only time to know if your decision was right is on hindsight.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: So sometimes accuracy does not even exist.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: Accuracy only exists after you've made the decision.
38:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
38:06
SPEAKER_02: No, that's a really good point, man.
38:08
SPEAKER_02: And I think people mustn't discount the gray hairs, yeah, especially young people.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: Like I know you're ready, I know the tools are there, you want to grow, but the hindsight of all of these gray hairs and knowledge is incredibly valuable because if I tell you my story from start to finish or start to where I am now, right now it makes perfect sense.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: If I look back, oh, this is why I shifted from here, this is what happened with this company, this is why this job, this is why I first started speaking, and now I got to this kind of stage and were able to charge this kind of fee going from here.
38:41
SPEAKER_02: It all makes perfect sense now looking back.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: But in each of those moments, it looked like chaos.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: And it all ended right again.
38:49
SPEAKER_02: It was like, what is going on?
38:51
SPEAKER_02: What is happening here?
38:52
SPEAKER_02: And so I think you mustn't discount the 10,000 hours, the gray hairs that you have to put in to get to a certain stage.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I was I was talking to a client a few weeks ago, and I was saying, you know, the only reason I have the clients that I have now are because of my gray hairs, actually, right?
39:12
SPEAKER_02: Before I had these, they're like, ah, this guy's too young.
39:14
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't know what he's talking about, he hasn't seen enough.
39:17
SPEAKER_02: But now I can step into that room and it directly advise the CEO because he's like, ah, I can relate to this guy.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: He's seen some things, he's gone through some things.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: I think I still have the same knowledge that I had back then without the Greys, but it's evolved.
39:29
SPEAKER_02: Now I've got more wisdom.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: And so, and I think that's the difference is wisdom is through the scars, it's through the storms, it's through the difficulties, right?
39:37
SPEAKER_02: And still weathering through it, that packages your full experience.
39:41
SPEAKER_02: And you can't rush it.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: No, you can't.
39:43
SPEAKER_02: You literally can't.
39:44
SPEAKER_02: Is that with your wisdom right now?
39:47
SPEAKER_02: You know, before we joined, you were dealing with a crisis.
39:50
SPEAKER_02: You can deal with that quickly.
39:52
SPEAKER_02: Now, if something happened and the lighting changed, the microphones, you and I could still keep going and finish this conversation.
39:57
SPEAKER_02: If if your your tablet crashed and you had no more questions, you'd still, because of the wisdom and experience that you've built over all these years to understand how to keep moving, yeah, you can't discount that.
40:08
SPEAKER_02: You can't replace it.
40:09
SPEAKER_02: You have to go through that.
40:10
SPEAKER_02: And I think right now a lot of people are just rushing.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:13
SPEAKER_02: And it's not to say you can't be good.
40:15
SPEAKER_02: It's not, it can't say, it's not to say you can't start, but you gotta know that, like you said, hindsight.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: It only makes sense later on when you've gone through some things.
40:25
SPEAKER_02: You need to go through it.
40:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, when I was younger and I was told that wisdom comes with age, yeah, it used to make me very upset.
40:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like these old people men know anything, yeah.
40:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but then I came to understand that okay, yeah, knowledge is in youth, that's easy, but wisdom comes with experience.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: Let's not even say age, let's say experience.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: Experience, yes, going through things, yeah, yeah, because uh one thing that is happening right now is because of social media, yeah, and social media celebrates highlights.
40:57
SPEAKER_02: Yes, for sure.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: The only the good moments.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: So it's making everybody think you can snap your finger and get there.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
41:05
SPEAKER_00: But it it doesn't work like that.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: You need to go through it, you need to suffer, you need to have the great days, the bad days, the days you thought you'll never recover from, and then two weeks later you're like, Why was I stressing over that?
41:17
SPEAKER_00: Look at me now.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: I beat it.
41:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you need to go through all of that.
41:21
SPEAKER_02: That's 100% true.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: That's it, man.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: And like you said, even with Stephen Bartlett, you gotta go through 10,000 episodes to become brilliant.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: So I remember before I started the podcast, yeah.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: My goal was episodes.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: Yes, my goal was never views, yeah, my goal was never uh subscribers.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: Yes, so I I checked the the podcast that I used to watch a lot.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for the first time I checked the episodes.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: I think Mel Robbins was at 350, Steven Butler was like 800 and something, you know, um Jay Shetty was 400.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: So I said, okay, I'm setting a goal for 500 episodes.
41:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love it.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: So right now, every time I'm posting, so if you if you watch, yeah, every post has the number of episodes at the end.
42:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
42:00
SPEAKER_00: Because that's that's my even if I have only two viewers, yeah.
42:04
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter, we're pushing, yeah.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: We're pushing.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: And that's the thing is that think about how much you're learning with that in mind.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: If you were just stressing about views and likes and engagement, then every episode you would be assessing and just trying to do too much and make every single one so perfect versus the wisdom that comes through just doing more and more and more, right?
42:23
SPEAKER_00: And that way too, you see, the person watching also gets more value.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I don't want to treat the audience right now like they're only going to watch this episode.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so this episode just needs to be exactly perfect.
42:37
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm a work in progress too, just like they're a work in progress, yeah, yeah, for sure.
42:41
SPEAKER_02: We're all growing, we're all developing throughout this entire journey.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: So we'll grow together.
42:45
SPEAKER_02: I love it, I love it, yeah, and it comes through, man.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: It comes through authentically.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: I see it.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: I like that.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk to leaders right now because I think leadership is one of the toughest things in the world.
42:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everybody's trying to be a leader, yeah, but I always I don't wish leadership on anybody.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're someone who's spoken to a lot of CEOs and a lot of leaders and helped guide them.
43:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how do you think like somebody's able to navigate the stormy waters that is leadership?
43:17
SPEAKER_02: So I think one thing that we don't speak about often enough is is the curse of success.
43:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah right, is that oftentimes because we're striving for success, we think that's the main goal.
43:27
SPEAKER_02: However, what I see most times, and if you look at research around disruption, typically it's the most successful people that get replaced.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: True, right?
43:37
SPEAKER_02: Because what happens is when we're successful, we think, oh, everything that got me to this point, 20 years, 10 years, whatever I did to get to this is what I must do to stay here.
43:47
SPEAKER_02: And the real reality, and what I talk about a lot, is whatever has got you here, because of where we are in the world and business and leadership and technology today, that's not what's gonna be what's gonna get you to that next level.
43:59
SPEAKER_02: It's not what's gonna be.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: To get you there.
44:01
SPEAKER_02: And I think sometimes when we're successful, we don't want to change anything because it's what's got us here.
44:06
SPEAKER_02: We don't want to change our leadership style.
44:08
SPEAKER_02: We don't want to change the way that we manage people, the way we speak to them.
44:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
44:12
SPEAKER_02: We think that this rugged way of doing things and how it got us to this successful point is adequate.
44:18
SPEAKER_02: And if you are not adapting, if you're not able to say, okay, cool, this is what was this phase, what's going to take us to that next phase, if we're not able to do that, you definitely get replaced.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: And that's usually what happens when I speak to leaders or excos.
44:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh, you guys just haven't changed in 10 years.
44:35
SPEAKER_02: That's why your performance is going down.
44:37
SPEAKER_02: It's because you're not changing, you're not evolving.
44:39
SPEAKER_02: And I think when we can get them into that um ability of changing, evolving, adapting, that's the key to successful leadership.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: That's so true.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: And I think I faced that and had that problem for a while.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: Because I started my business, not as a business, but a talented guy in his room.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
44:59
SPEAKER_00: Playing beats.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: And then it got to a point, okay, I need one more person, one more person.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: Then I'm managing a company of three.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh, everybody was living in the house with me while we're working.
45:08
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: Then now we're a company of five.
45:10
SPEAKER_00: Okay, we've moved out of the house, but it's still very family family.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: Like we can have board meetings in my bedroom.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: Do you get what I mean?
45:17
SPEAKER_00: For sure.
45:18
SPEAKER_00: Then now it's 10 people.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: Then okay, now this person feels you're too close to this person.
45:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I need to change my leadership style.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: I can't be as friendly as I used to be.
45:27
SPEAKER_00: I've I've had to change who I am, let's say every two to three years to get to the next level.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
45:36
SPEAKER_02: And to accommodate your team, right?
45:37
SPEAKER_02: And what their requirements are.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: Because when you're handling three people versus handling a hundred people versus now handling so many people online, you you need to, and I think most people don't understand that.
45:51
SPEAKER_00: The only way to change your situation is to change something about you.
45:55
SPEAKER_02: Yes, for sure.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: So when you want to go to the next level, you need to develop some skills to push you there.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: To push you to the next level.
46:02
SPEAKER_02: That's for sure.
46:03
SPEAKER_02: And typically it's a mindset that's holding you back first and foremost, then it's the action, then the success can come.
46:10
SPEAKER_02: You're spot on.
46:11
SPEAKER_02: And I think we don't talk a lot enough about that in kind of startup culture, is that there's a difference between being a founder and an entrepreneur, to being a business owner, to being a business leader, to being a CEO.
46:23
SPEAKER_02: That CEO title comes a little bit too soon for many people, right?
46:26
SPEAKER_00: What's the CEO of Company of One?
46:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
46:29
SPEAKER_02: That's not what it means, right?
46:31
SPEAKER_02: Chief Executive Officer.
46:32
SPEAKER_02: It means there must be an executive, right?
46:35
SPEAKER_02: There must be other people here for me to be a chief, too.
46:38
SPEAKER_02: Right?
46:39
SPEAKER_02: Officer, like there's a service that's happening, yeah, and there's evolutions from each of those phases of business and leadership.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: And I don't think we talk about that often enough and about the mindsets that must change along the way.
46:50
SPEAKER_00: So do you think that's what makes it difficult for us to build systems?
46:54
SPEAKER_00: Because when you start, there is no system because you are the system.
46:57
SPEAKER_00: You're the system.
46:58
SPEAKER_00: Let's say, for instance, when you start, you're not you have a company of three, you're not sending emails back and forth between three people.
47:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're just sending messages here, we're on WhatsApp.
47:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then it's like what happens now when we need formal communication.
47:10
SPEAKER_02: It's true, and I think we don't think about those shifts.
47:13
SPEAKER_02: I always tease people um in South African context, I always say it's a very different company once you have two Loratos.
47:19
SPEAKER_02: Maybe in Ghana it's like you have two Kwamez on the team, or maybe you have four Kwamez, who knows, right?
47:23
SPEAKER_02: But it's like when you get when you hit those points of now we've moved from 10 people to 20, 40 to 40 to 400, those are completely different cultures and dynamics, and then the systems have to change along the way.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
47:35
SPEAKER_02: You can't just get away with now.
47:36
SPEAKER_02: We do a text message group, WhatsApp communication.
47:39
SPEAKER_02: No, we need to put in those principles to say this is how communication happens, this is how meetings happen, this is how meetings are structured, this is how we govern our business.
47:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and if you uh if you align those things as you grow, then it's an easier journey.
47:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
47:54
SPEAKER_00: Because I like we went from a point when we're just a three-man team.
47:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes, when I find out some information, I'm calling you, calling you, we get it done.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
48:02
SPEAKER_00: You know, then it got to a point I realized okay, I called him, called them, but I didn't call him, him, him.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: So now on the day not enough people have the information, then why didn't you tell this person?
48:12
SPEAKER_00: So then we switched the WhatsApp groups, yes, for sure.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: And then now it started getting too big where okay, reporting, going to check, then we're like, okay, no, now this isn't the one anymore.
48:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we need a system in place now, exactly.
48:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: No, it's a true man, and I think those shifts, like you said, are necessary because how we start is not how we're gonna continue and be yeah, yeah.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: How do we get people comfortable with the shift?
48:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's it's like we were saying about shifting the the brain, right?
48:41
SPEAKER_02: And tricking the brain into being adaptable and showing the value that occurs, right?
48:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, of you know what what is the value of actually being able to change and adapt.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: And if you look at all the business cases of the most adaptable leaders in adaptable companies, it'll show you that there's there's a strong business case in doing this thing, right?
49:00
SPEAKER_02: Because the ones that don't adapt, they get left behind.
49:02
SPEAKER_02: I think adaptable businesses companies outperform their competitors by four times.
49:06
SPEAKER_01: True.
49:07
SPEAKER_02: If I'm outperforming you by four times, we're no longer competitors.
49:11
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, my brother, we're not the same anymore, right?
49:14
SPEAKER_02: And I think if you show that that's the value of change and that's the benefit of change, it's an easier journey to start to go on and it becomes less scary, less intimidating.
49:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
49:23
SPEAKER_00: So I think it then adaptability really boils down to learning.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, and continuous learning.
49:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
49:30
SPEAKER_02: It's not I learned and I stopped here.
49:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, it's not I transformed once, it's a process of keep transforming, keep changing, keep learning.
49:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I used to believe when I was young, wow, I was stupid when I was young.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not we were clever at all.
49:46
SPEAKER_00: I used to believe I had a limit of learning.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I used to believe I would learn, learn, learn, get to a point, and then that's enough.
49:53
SPEAKER_00: And that's it.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: And then at every point I realized, no, no, no, I have so much more to learn.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: I think one thing I've come to see about knowledge is the more knowledge you get, the more you realize you don't know anything.
50:05
SPEAKER_02: That's it, hey.
50:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you realize you absolutely know nothing at all.
50:09
SPEAKER_02: You know nothing, John Snow, right?
50:11
SPEAKER_02: That's it, man.
50:12
SPEAKER_02: But I think that that takes a certain level of humility and a certain uh level of also just kind of wisdom as well to say, I don't know everything, I don't have to know everything.
50:22
SPEAKER_02: Because I think when we're younger, we were trying to prove to everyone, I just got this knowledge, I'm gonna show you that I have this knowledge, right?
50:29
SPEAKER_02: Where you get older, you're like, you know what?
50:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't know anything about them.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's okay.
50:33
SPEAKER_02: Let me find the people that do, right?
50:36
SPEAKER_02: And then I'm yeah, I'm not I'm not I'm not so scared of of not knowing everything, right?
50:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's okay.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: It's all right.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: Like it's not my lane, I'm a work in progress.
50:45
SPEAKER_02: Or this is where I am, and then I have knowledge of my strengths, and I have also have knowledge of my weaknesses.
50:51
SPEAKER_02: So, with that, instead of trying to overwhelm with my strengths, I say this is how I fill the gaps with my weaknesses, this is who I need to bring on board because this is where I'm lacking.
51:00
SPEAKER_02: Whereas ego and pride at the beginning says, No, I must know everything and do everything and be the strongest and loudest in the room.
51:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm that guy, I'm him.
51:10
SPEAKER_02: I'm okay, man.
51:10
SPEAKER_02: I'm this guy, I'm over here now, I'm okay with that.
51:13
SPEAKER_00: And I would say the podcast has really done that for me.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can imagine.
51:18
SPEAKER_00: Because I've read so much in my life, learned so much in my life, yeah, and then I sit down with someone, yeah, and they have a completely different take.
51:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm like, oh wow, I never thought about it like that.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, and it just reminds me day in, day out that you know, even as we're advising people and pushing out knowledge to people, every single human being out there has a different perspective that makes them very knowledgeable.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
51:45
SPEAKER_02: And there's so many people that exist that are so successful doing something completely different than you.
51:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
51:52
SPEAKER_02: I always wonder when I see certain cars driving on the road, I'm like, I wonder what that person does.
51:57
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, there's someone who's who's selling toilet paper, who's who's making a lot more money than me.
52:03
SPEAKER_02: How does he think?
52:03
SPEAKER_02: How does she think, right?
52:05
SPEAKER_02: And I think once you're open to that, then you're open, like you said, to learning.
52:08
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the power of conversations, the power of community.
52:11
SPEAKER_02: Because the more open you are to different voices, you're always gonna be learning something.
52:16
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I wish I had my notes here about the gems I've learned from you, man.
52:19
SPEAKER_02: But I'll I'll I'll write them down after, you know, and I think that's the that that comes again with with wisdom and humility.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: I like that.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think everybody watching can now be more certain of the future that AI is not gonna take your job once you decide to adapt.
52:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's it.
52:34
SPEAKER_02: If you do, then you always have a job, you always have something to do.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: Because one thing me, I always push for is excellence.
52:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I always say I don't like the concept of perfect, yeah.
52:46
SPEAKER_00: Perfection is not attainable, but excellence is because I define excellence as what I can do best, it's a standard, yes, yeah.
52:56
SPEAKER_00: So at any point in time, what I can do best today is my excellence.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: It may not be the same five years from now, but that's I'll be excellent five years from now, no matter what.
53:07
SPEAKER_02: It's the quality of the effort that you put in.
53:09
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
53:10
SPEAKER_02: It's not the perfection, yeah, it's the energy you put into it.
53:12
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
53:13
SPEAKER_00: Excellent and keep pushing.
53:15
SPEAKER_00: I think most people also get stuck the same way there's the analysis paralysis, they also get stuck in that trap where they are trying to be perfect.
53:23
SPEAKER_00: I want my podcast to be perfect before I release it.
53:26
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
53:27
SPEAKER_02: I want my book to have just the right Yeah, I want my Instagram feed to look like this.
53:32
SPEAKER_02: I want my aesthetics on, like it's impossible.
53:35
SPEAKER_00: It's impossible.
53:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's impossible.
53:36
SPEAKER_00: I've read a book.
53:38
SPEAKER_00: There's this author, I read his book, and there were so many grammatical mistakes in the book, but my god, there was so much knowledge in it.
53:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:46
SPEAKER_00: Actually, I was telling my partner that I've seen so many mistakes, but I don't mind.
53:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm okay with this.
53:52
SPEAKER_00: There's still value.
53:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, it's true, man.
53:55
SPEAKER_02: You know, even when I'm speaking, is the the gigs that are the most fun and the most impactful is when something kind of goes wrong.
54:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't want it to.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: I've got a gig right after this.
54:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't want it to go wrong, right?
54:06
SPEAKER_02: But it's it's it's so beautiful because that's when you kind of have to adapt, right?
54:10
SPEAKER_02: Then you have to think on your toes.
54:12
SPEAKER_02: You get a question that you're not expecting, you get a scenario, and then you got it, then your knowledge is really tested.
54:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
54:19
SPEAKER_02: Then you're asked to really deliver, right?
54:21
SPEAKER_02: And I love that because it pushes me out of the stock standard of let me give you this.
54:26
SPEAKER_02: This is my script A to Z.
54:28
SPEAKER_02: I know it back and forth.
54:29
SPEAKER_02: I like when you push me to think a little bit differently.
54:31
SPEAKER_00: So that the human factor comes out.
54:33
SPEAKER_02: That's it, man.
54:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man.
54:34
SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, I could have came even to this conversation super scripted and known.
54:37
SPEAKER_02: This is exactly what I'm gonna say.
54:39
SPEAKER_02: And guys, sorry, let's retake the show that one again because I didn't say it exactly like this.
54:43
SPEAKER_02: Whereas the flow and even how you can conduct conversations is natural, it's authentic.
54:49
SPEAKER_02: And I think there's value in that.
54:50
SPEAKER_02: And I think even when we think about AI, there's value in us still remaining human.
54:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right, is we can clearly see AI generated this, AI generated that, right?
55:02
SPEAKER_02: And we appreciate now the humanity, yeah, the authenticity that comes in there.
55:06
SPEAKER_02: And I think now more than ever, instead of trying to outsource everything to AI, we must think about how where can I still stay human?
55:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes, right?
55:13
SPEAKER_02: Where can I still connect with people?
55:15
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes that's errors, sometimes that's mistakes, right?
55:18
SPEAKER_02: But there's still value there.
55:20
SPEAKER_00: Um my my godfather, he was a video director.
55:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he taught me one thing.
55:24
SPEAKER_00: We're talking about beauty on camera one day, and he told me that the most beautiful face on camera is the face that is not perfectly symmetrical.
55:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:34
SPEAKER_02: He mentioned that the mistakes that actually create beauty and all this.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
55:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna use that.
55:41
SPEAKER_00: I want you to do one thing for me, right?
55:42
SPEAKER_00: Yes, sure.
55:43
SPEAKER_00: So, like I said, the purpose of this is to turn everybody watching into a mastermind.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: I want you to imagine you could stretch your hand through the camera into the brain of that person watching, yeah, and drop one mindset that will take them on the path to success all that be.
56:00
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
56:01
SPEAKER_02: We already told them to buy the book, so I'm not gonna say that.
56:05
SPEAKER_02: But I think for me, it goes back to what you were saying a little bit earlier about failure.
56:09
SPEAKER_02: Is uh eat failure, chew it every day, chase the next one because the benefit of failures is so many lessons learned.
56:19
SPEAKER_02: If I think about my biggest failures, they hurt, they were painful, some of them were expensive, right?
56:26
SPEAKER_02: But each one of them has crafted a better version of me and molded a better version of me.
56:31
SPEAKER_02: So, what I would say, instead of trying to chase perfection and the perfect product, the perfect project, the perfect business, is like go and chase the things that are gonna put you at risk to fail a little bit and then bounce back, right?
56:43
SPEAKER_02: And see what that lesson takes you.
56:45
SPEAKER_02: And then you're gonna grow.
56:46
SPEAKER_02: Then these gray hairs are gonna be valuable along the way.
56:48
SPEAKER_00: We love the grays.
56:49
SPEAKER_02: We love the grays, man.
56:50
SPEAKER_02: We each would take some more, it's fine.
56:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh, because I know each of these was molded because each of these stress points, each of these failures, each of these mistakes.
56:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm not gonna make those again.
57:00
SPEAKER_02: I've become a better version of myself.
57:02
SPEAKER_02: And I s it's one of the things I like I actually appreciate getting older because I'm like, I'm getting better each year.
57:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
57:07
SPEAKER_02: I I know where I'm improving, I know where I've got more wisdom.
57:11
SPEAKER_02: I'm making better decisions, I'm making better business deals because of my age, because of my maturity.
57:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that.
57:17
SPEAKER_00: And thank you, thank you so much for coming.
57:19
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for the book.
57:21
SPEAKER_00: Pleasure, my brother.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: Please get the book, Adaptability Code.
57:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to read this and perfect how to adapt how to be more adaptable.
57:29
SPEAKER_02: No, for sure, but you're already on the path, my brother.
57:31
SPEAKER_02: So I appreciate it.
57:32
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
57:32
SPEAKER_00: And I hope watching this episode took you one step closer to becoming the mastermind that I know you deserve to be.
57:39
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for watching this episode.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: Now, the Mastermind's dream is about building a community of people who have the right mindset and are ready to take their success into their own hands.
57:51
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