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2025 Wrap-Up: Gals Chat, A Corn Cob, Alaska, and One Man, ep. 333 · Basic Folk

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[SPEAKER_01]: a happy goodbye 2025 episode to you, Lizzie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And unto you also, Cindy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Basic focus where we have honest conversations with folk musicians on the Bluegrass situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Cindy House here with Lizzie Noe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't we come up with a new basic folks Logan, the other day?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Basic folk, it's not for everyone, but everyone is welcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about our newsletter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to send one out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be my New Year's Resolution for 2026 send out a basic folk newsletter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to all of our supporters who give like $5, $10, $15 a month.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did not do a fundraiser this year, so you're welcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You did not get a giving Tuesday email for a mess.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In these trying times, I didn't email you is my love language.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, please.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can drop us a couple bucks every month.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a link in the show notes or basic folk.com slash donate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The dollars couldn't be put to better use.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We do this on a shoe string.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes we need to buy a microphone or a little cable.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Those cables are getting littleer and littleer.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and more and more diverse.
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[SPEAKER_05]: One of my least favorite trends of the past diversity in cables.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, every cable is different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every brand has their own, you have to buy a new one every nine months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to put a stripe on the on the pride flag for all of the different cables?
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[SPEAKER_05]: like a chrome stripe on the pride flag.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Also, that could lead great representation for cyborgs, which I sort of identify with in terms of gender identity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we got a lot of stuff to get into today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, we have a really excellent round table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with Kaya Cater, Isaburk, and Olivia L. Lloyd, and Lizzie No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But first, let's talk about our favorite and top episodes of 2025.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, basic folks' top episode was Oni DeFranco and Carson Blanton recorded live on Kayamo.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That conversation, I feel, has had an outward ripple effect on so many areas of my life and how I think about music and art
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[SPEAKER_05]: What's possible in conversation?
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm so grateful.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We got to interview Anian Karsi, who to me are some of our contemporary legends of folk music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to Karsi for having a hell of a year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I wrote about Karsi for my year and coverage in the blue grass situation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So check that out when you get a chance.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She's doing amazing work, both on and off stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So of course, we're going to play the clip about us talking about periods.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a couple of gals talking about menstrual cycles in front of like a hundred people in a room on a boat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No big deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In your book, Oni, no walls in the reoccurring dream, which has anyone read that book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a chapter about noticing how your creativity is aligned with your menstrual cycle, and you've described the most creative part of your cycle as the window.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How has your window changed as you've gotten older, as your body has changed, and as your cycle has changed?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, wait, when is the window, which part?
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[SPEAKER_03]: PMS, baby.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't find, you know, my MMS is a driver.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My PMS is like fully embedding brownies for 10 days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 100% not creative, like TV shows only.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, ovulation is like, oh, I'm interested in the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go out there and have thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go get some on us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For me, ovulation is for the upbeat country songs.
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[SPEAKER_05]: OK. And the PMS is for the moody.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What is the world, even?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Folk tunes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes to all of us.
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[SPEAKER_07]: God, God, all of us.
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[SPEAKER_07]: God, all of us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, so, yeah, my window has closed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Years ago, years ago, closed, so similar with the creativity, the songs I could always count on them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, kind of on a cyclical basis, there was stuff to work out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm just like, I could write a song or not, really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can I ask like a kind of related question?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I know your music pretty well, honey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I'm going to say about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I find for for my songwriting process my my creative energy has been very tied to my erotic energy and that a lot of my songs have come out of like love affairs and I wonder if that's true for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't think of any songs in particular, but I'm just asking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think that's one in the same isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: These passions that move through us, that use our bodies to become themselves and our instruments and our life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, I feel like menopause,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it blessing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just go call it a blessing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, let's go with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even gonna use that balancing word.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can we?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can we?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've had a long, good solid run of curses.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going with a blessing on this one, especially because it's so, you know, looked down on, like, you're less than you've lost.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're on, you know, you're done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, for me,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the blessing that men of pause brought me is to not feel everything everyone in the world is feeling with them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking forward to that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, kill it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Seriously.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Always having to ask, do I want to kiss that person or do I need to write a song?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel a sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a beautiful job to feel with everyone, but it's heavy, and it's exhausting, and so...
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's a relief for me these days, you know, to, and it's, it's so interesting to like, whoa, this is maybe more akin to the male experience, you know, for a lot of people in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I can feel for you, but I'm not right in your body.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am, you know, like you don't just have the screams of the death of capitalism in the back of your mind all day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's just a slow, it's a little dial, sounds cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So less songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm okay with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've got a lot of songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not a song.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You've got one of the songiest, actually.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Of all of us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, let's be accused of never including men on the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I want to point out a really beautiful moment that Cindy shared with artist Morgan Tony earlier this year because I want you to see how cool it is to work with Cindy by the scenes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Cindy is such a great interviewer and I feel like I've learned everything I know about podcasting from her and this Morgan Tony moment is just such a great insight into how Cindy makes guests feel comfortable right up top.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And her rules are like, become friends first.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But then always ask one more question.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Morgan goes into a little bit of how he started to get more familiar with his indigenous musical heritage.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Cindy could be like, okay, that's nice back to my planned questions.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But no, she goes deeper and then one step deeper.
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[SPEAKER_05]: until they kind of get to some incredible insights about how to connect with your cultural heritage as a marginalized artist making art right now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So this is Cindy's like great meet-cute moment with Morgan Tony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did your family life look like growing up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that your mom has since passed away, but you've also mentioned some uncles, uncle Bart and uncle Fabin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are you spending
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[SPEAKER_00]: I spent most of my time with my Uncle Bart, and Uncle Fabian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uncle Fabian was just an amazing guy to be around because he was a lover of music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if he go to his home, they just had this huge record collection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember he was talking to my mother, and I was very young, but I still remember their conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he told her, I have a job to do with Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to make sure that Morgan gets to hear the real music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to expose me to live instruments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He brought me over to his house one day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember he had this big flat screen and this around sounds and whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I walked in and I was like, this is interesting because I know what music sounded like from the radio, but I was hearing like scream in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't figure out what it was because I was just a kid, but there was like thousands of thousand people scream
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[SPEAKER_00]: and live music, drums, guitars, bass, everything, a chord, like a big choir, and he told me, because I forgot about it, but he told me later on the life that when I came into his living room, my mouth which is wide open, and then I sat down right in the kitchen, it was to fill Collins, Farrow, Torre, Constra, he didn't Paris 2004, I believe, but that was the first moment I really got exposed to real music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I spent a lot of time with him and
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a big supporter throughout my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He he he he he passed away to he was just so big support and same at mom mom I've spent a lot of time at mom and just
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[SPEAKER_00]: being with her and here teaching me how to cook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was a great cook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uncle Bert, he's still around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a travel agent now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we got to travel all together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see, hook and you up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was those three siblings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any idea what traditional music look like for them growing up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For them, I don't think it was
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were not exposed to it because they were a little bit younger in in years like when they grew up in the residential school era past, but in a way it kind of did and it just got moved to they just did a different way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they call it to Indian day school and pretty much the same thing lots of horrible stuff happened in Indian day schools my mom and your in your mom's generation yeah yeah and those tree were pretty much the same age and they didn't really get to speak the language they were not fluent whatsoever and they didn't really sing or dance because they would be punished if they were so it was just one of those things that
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of skip this, but I think I'm when slowly picking it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When did the L. New traditions come back into the communities?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say would it came, and I thought long ago, I don't know for sure, but like, I'm just thinking about like, after Indian residential school era, none of us from what I believe and what I've heard none of us really sang any songs or dance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After that era was the Indian day school era, same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was after that era,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the 80s, 90s, and so on, if I'm correct, that our music started to come back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a man, his name is George Paul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The great guy, he made one of the most important songs ever to come out in the Mega Monation, and he calls it the Mega Mon oner song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was thinking about his past, because he was an Indian residential school survivor as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he remembered all the stuff that went down there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he was in a powel in Alberta,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that vision came back to him later in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this vision showed a whole bunch of indigenous people coming together, dancing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he remembered that vision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he remembered the times he spent in the residential schools, and he started to cry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that cry had a rhythm to a little pulse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then words seemed to come to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the chant came to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And pretty much a song translates to like, let us not forget who we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are a big amount of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have our own language.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have our own songs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have our own dance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to bring that back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when that song came to him on that mountain, he brought it back to the big amount of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he made a promise to himself that I'm bringing the song back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm bringing my language back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm bringing my dance back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And after that, when we started to pick that up, and music came back to our communities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that song is not that old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's in the 80s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's on your, it's on your first record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so, it's so cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that song's like really old either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That song was written in the 80s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, as far as I know, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The 1980s for people listening in the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, 2025 was pretty awesome year for the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to go on a couple traps, Kiamo, where we talk to Onion, Carci, also Mary Goche, and Jamie Harris, Susan Warner, and John Mook.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those episodes are all available in our podcast feed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are gonna be there again in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You heard it here first, we will be at C. I wanted to talk about our trip to Alaska, which we were brought to Alaska by this really wonderful concert series called Parlor in the Round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We love you, Kevin, Michelle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is so eye-opening to experience Alaska from that lens of music community, because I don't know if you know this, but there aren't that many people in Alaska.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did a live show in Anchorage, which is the big city.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went to Haines, and we went to Skagway, which were two small communities that don't get a lot of entertainment that come in the wintertime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of the mission statements of parlor in the round is to not only lift up Alaska talent with national talent, but also to bring community-centered entertainment to small towns, where it's like
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[SPEAKER_01]: we did the show in Skagway and the next day we went to the coffee shop and everybody there knew who we were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been more famous.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was so grateful that they brought us out because we got to learn a lot about what it's like to be a touring musician based out of Alaska.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So amazing to hear Annie Bartholomew's music and her stories and her connection to Alaska in history.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The audience is that we're so grateful that we came, like I can't believe you're here in Haynes, we kept hearing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But for me, I was like, this is one of the most beautiful and interesting places I've ever been.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, of course I want to be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a good meeting of the minds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We will have a parlor in the round episode in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just need to get my shit together, Kevin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about it, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another thing that happened this year for the basic folk universe is that a new podcast was launched, hosted by Nathan Evans Fox and Lizzy No, called Yolidarity Social Club.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In a short time, what was, like,
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[SPEAKER_05]: a goofy idea between two friends has become something that I'm really proud of and excited about going into next year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Nathan and I are buds, songwriter buds here in Nashville, and we wanted a little space to app about some of the cultural bullshit that goes on in country music and some of the exciting organizing that can go on there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we started this little y'all dirty social club podcast and we've done some events and we've
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[SPEAKER_05]: started planning potentially some related to our dates for next year, there's going to be updates.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm really grateful to everyone that has listened and everyone who came to our Americana fest party.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It turns out there's a lot of people on the left in Roots Music.
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[SPEAKER_05]: who want to become friends and want to get together, so I'm finding that super encouraging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and the last thing, let's talk about this podcast, new baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Basic folk has a baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her name is Francie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She looks exactly like me and I feel like a little guilty and like how much pleasure I take from the fact that like the baby looks like me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Guys, this baby is one of the lights of my life.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Her cheeks, her hair, her laugh,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Her sense of humor, her dumpling shape when she's wrapped up in homemade knitted items that her grandmother made, come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to know my top songs that I sing to francy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the top song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I sing to francy is hush a little baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a part in the song where they talk about if that cart and bull turns over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mama's gonna get you a dog named Rover, but we say, Mama's gonna get you a dog named puddles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of puddles, how's she doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's better.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The corn cob incident of 2025 is going to go down as one of our historic moments on the pot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Houdi's family came and visited after the baby was born and they made like a huge amount of food, like a barbecue style food, including corn on the cob.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, puddles ingested a corn cob, which is very lethal for dogs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was in June.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't believe you actually track down the source of the corn cob because when I heard about the story, it was the x-ray says puddle has ingested a corn cob.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It is December we haven't had corn for months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and the surgeon said that can happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just sat in her giant,
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[SPEAKER_01]: for six months, until on Thanksgiving, listen, I'll take the heat on this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I fed her five giant dinner rolls, because it was really fun to throw them in her mouth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I can imagine, the working theory is that all those dinner rolls pushed the corn cob from her stomach,
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[SPEAKER_01]: into her small intestine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where it traveled all the way through, but it got stuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at the end.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks, Ms. Frisult.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was disgusting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 25 has been a big year for Lizzy going on jogs and coming home with stray animals.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I was involved in not once twice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: three times.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It has happened a few times.
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[SPEAKER_05]: My latest little miracle didn't leave.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He is actually napping on the couch next to me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Listeners, this is not the best time for me to be adopting a dog, but sometimes when you're out for a jog and a beautiful little shadow runs across the street and
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[SPEAKER_05]: you have no choice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Did he jump in your arms?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Almost right away.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He looked right up to me and when I knelt down he like lep.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like he, oh yeah, he chose me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm in this sort of extended foster situation ship love match with this little pitbull puppy named
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[SPEAKER_05]: In Trump's America, it can feel so challenging to know which media you can trust, who's takes, you can really take home and take to the bank, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There is no one I believe in more than the members of my group chat.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Isaburk, Olivia Ellen Lloyd, and Kaya Kater.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I trust these gals with my life.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The number of times I have been talked off of alleged by these friends.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm sure they would see the same about this chat.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Our infinite.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Aldroek's aside, like the support of these women, has meant everything to me in terms of my survival.
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[SPEAKER_05]: my inspiration in music and like my motivation, their incredible musicians, and all very, very funny.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I turned to them at the end of 2025 to hear their hot takes, what they're great, grateful for, what they learned, and what four pop and musicians were up to.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In this crazy year, in the industry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope you enjoy, it's Kaya Kater, Esuburk, Olivia, Illinois, and Lizzy know on Basic folk.
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[SPEAKER_05]: basic folk listener, you are in for a treat because I have assembled a murderers row of folk artists, change makers, thought leaders, and dare I say pin up gals.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's my group chat featuring basic folk alumni, Olivia Ellen Lloyd,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Isaburk and Kaya Kater.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You guys can talk now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yay!
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[SPEAKER_05]: Where's the silence you're respectful?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's so tiny.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This rocks.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to our year end episode.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So Cindy had this idea.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Cindy, we love you Cindy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She's home sick right now with her baby.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We had this idea to do a basic folk year and wrap up year in review, put it all out there, gals episode.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it may or may not be New Year's when you're listening to this, but bring a New Year's spirit.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What's the state of folk music in 2025?
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[SPEAKER_02]: God who wants a piece of pizza to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I think when I think about the state of folk music in 2020, five, I feel like I'm kind of in two, I'm kind of of two minds about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So on the one hand, I feel like the state of folk music is kind of impossible to separate from the state of music in general,
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[SPEAKER_02]: multiple crises happening at all times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are all getting pummeled into the ground by Spotify and live nation and AI.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: economically things are things are in a tough place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to start by leaping right into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then on the other hand, I feel like I think we're in a time where a lot of people are thinking about how to be a good community member.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what it means to be part of a community, and I think that folk musicians are maybe better equipped than other musicians for that task, because folk music is music for folks.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's community-based music.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, can you dig deeper into that in terms of the day-to-day?
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[SPEAKER_05]: How do you feel like you as a folk artist operate in a more community-minded way?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Then, like, say you might have to if you worked in another genre or lean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, well, especially like in the specifically like the traditional music world, like that's kind of the background that I come from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like where I live now in Durham, North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's like a really big old-time music scene.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so there just are like a lot of, there's a lot of community music stuff happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that and that really like brings together like so-called professional musicians and people for whom music is not like a primary source of income or even a source of income at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know when you're at like an old-time festival or like a sacred harp singing gathering it's like
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[SPEAKER_02]: the economic part of music is not even really part of the equation and I think like having that perspective on music compared to someone for whom music is primarily a commodity or like a a job I think is it's a really helpful like corrective for me yes now I'd like to ask a
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[SPEAKER_05]: For whom performing live music is, as far as I know, their primary job and occupation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: How are you seeing the changes in the economy, the changes in people's attitudes towards work, show up in your life on the road as a full-time touring musician?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I might say something slightly controversial, but it's also piggybacking off of ESA's observation, various two observations, which is that I think we're seeing a lot of recession music.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And by that I mean, I mean, music that is very careful and deliberately kind of a political and it and it sort of has the guys of being
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, like, dangerous or provocative, but in real life, a lot of it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I think I think like maybe, and I'm not, you know, totally maligning social media.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like we all have our individual relationships with it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I think we're in an era of aesthetic, you know, sometimes, sometimes in tandem with substance, but sometimes over a substance.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so I think, you know, there's like a market ability in seaming very edgy and I think it's edged its way into folk music and, you know, I'm not calling anybody out specifically, but I have noticed that
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[SPEAKER_06]: It does sometimes feel like there's a lot of hype around certain people or certain albums, and I try my best to really listen and agree.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And sometimes I just, I can't see the material substance in it, and I've said this to you guys before.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's like I'm eating air.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's like I keep consuming it, but I'm not getting the nutrients that I feel like I'm supposed to have, especially from a genre-like folk music.
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[SPEAKER_05]: we are all nodding heavily.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like I've texted y'all from a couple of shows this year with this sort of sentiment of like this artist is now huge in folk music or Americana or this this roots niche and I feel like they're not to be like the old lady in the chat but like there was a time when being a folk artist was about kind of your message
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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I'm naive about that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I feel like, yeah, we are seeing a time, I think one folk has some money coming in.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Americana has some money coming in.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like the global success of country music lately has like trickle down to folk in Americana.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So there is a little bit of room for the like, I'm sorry to say, money, grabby aesthetic only roots, music wrapped around a commercial core.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Olivia, who are some of the people that you've seen play this year, or whose records you've heard, where you're like, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That person has something to say.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm interested in what they do next, like them as a songwriter artist, more than just like, oh, I like that track how that sounds.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, um,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I loved Madison Cunningham's record, it really, it really grew on me, and as everyone in this chat knows, I'm a words and singing before anything, and Madison brings such a like different quality to her music, it's very arranged and beautiful and lush, and I was really taken in by the creative choices that she made, and also how personal the record
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[SPEAKER_04]: I really admire how much emotional truth Madison was able to bring forth in that record while still seemingly protecting herself and other people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was a big one for me this year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We had a great talk on basic folk.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Madison is I think our next guest and she's such a cool guest, definitely a girl's girl.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We laughed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We cried.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We talked about death like
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[SPEAKER_04]: What a mind and it's great and the other record which is very commercial That's my favorite the sear was Tyler Children's record.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, which just goes to show you That if you can stick to values based music that is rooted in your truth you can
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[SPEAKER_04]: crack charts and make music like that's going to last like that record is going to be a record that people's kids listen to and say like I was raised on this music.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah big country record.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now do we think that's possible for women?
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[SPEAKER_06]: And there it is.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I admire Tyler greatly as an artist, but I'm saying the machine, you don't become the massive star that Tyler is right now without a team and an organization in quite a bit of.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Financial support behind you like God bless artists that great should have that I don't know that I that there is a female or queer Or non-binary equivalent in this scene maybe maybe not not somebody selling at the level that Tyler is that is also writing at the With the substance that he's writing at and the and I hate the a word So I won't say authenticity because I don't think that's quite right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like he's drawing from the same well He's always been drawing from
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's the same well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It gets deeper.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's been like reading Eastern philosophy and talking about it in his vernacular, which was like as somebody who's from that same region, was like very healing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I could see SG Goodman possibly getting close.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This year has been a big year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's another record that I really loved.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Heaven song is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I don't think there's
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[SPEAKER_04]: with the level of like writing prowess and that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think like Brandy Carlyle's been there and beyond for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We don't, I don't think you do see as many like front person, singer, songwriter, like primarily songwriters that are not men.
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[SPEAKER_05]: um, ascending to the levels of a stadium.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't really see it happening in Americana anymore.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Honestly, I most of the like amazing women writers in this genre, like, are making it work in a different way.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, but it's just interesting to think about because it's like, it's not to say that that's the only good model of success.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's it's definitely interesting to see like what what kinds of success are available to different people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, ultimately, I think it always is like it always is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, in order for someone to be successful in like a really meaningful and lasting way, like they have to be kind of unique, like they have to be presenting something that feels really specific to them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, therefore, their model for success will kind of be its own thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, I think it is like, it's always worth pointing out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know we all know this, but like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: a man will always like men are able to be and the art that they create is able to be viewed as more universal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's certainly like a white man versus a woman of color.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like even more
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, it becomes even more the case that like the closer you are to the, the, the societal like default person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, it's a straight white American man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the more you are able to have your story scene as universally applicable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Put a pin in that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For those of us that are not that default person, what are some of the coping mechanisms and strategies that you've come up with this year to make your life as a musician more doable?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I can jump it on that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I came in kind of to fit it into this conversation because I think it's a really important conversation have with really smart and cool people.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I include the listeners in that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I think, you know, for me, it's been about finding those artists who I
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm really incredibly potently inspired by it and just really following them and like trying to go to their shows and Connecting with them, you know, I'll say an atival put out an album this year called animal poem.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It just rocked my shit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was so good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, and her lyric writing is incredible and, you know, not to come off as patronizing, but like her growth as an artist to be able to see that is so inspiring and, you know, like, so was saying I think we're.
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[SPEAKER_06]: you know men white men who have success in this industry um they're kind of allowed a certain 3D aspect to their personalities and to their music where you know we talk about you know so and so writing about their divorce and going through this and going through that and like wow they started off here
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I think that kind of depth is often not afforded to women, non-binary people, especially people of color or women of color, and you know, I think it's kind of like, oh, you're writing about one thing and that one thing is...
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[SPEAKER_06]: race, you know, and we're not like, and yeah, we fucking do write about that, but like there's so much more that we have to say and to offer and we're not offered that same grace and return.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so yeah, I mean, I just will say, I think I, I try to follow and listen to records that inspire me and
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[SPEAKER_06]: drive me.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes they make me jealous.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, I wish I'd written that song.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And that's a really good way to drive oneself to write better music.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I mean, I'll shout out Olivia, Ellen Lloyd here, put out a really brilliant album here in the the Lord's Year of 2025 that is so dynamic and so complex and really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And you know, I think maybe it's like we take it down to the the local level or like the level of our friends and peers who are making really incredible art because that's where I'm drawing inspiration from.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think fan of doing it myself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Good job Olivia.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's so cool to have known you when the song you was just like a secret sound cloud.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then now to see so many people all over the world be like, oh my god, who is the songwriter?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Very cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and that song was written in a community like song circle situation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And like I was about that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like was in a, like an online songwriting class I had was having some writers, blah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and school of song, which is based out at L.A. was doing a class with Courtney Marie Andrews, who I've still never met, but I'm a huge fan of what a bounce.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of the records, not out, but the single she's put out so far, beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And she was a really good teacher.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I've taken a couple of those classes and seen them more as sort of like I get to watch.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I won't, like, a couple of the other ones I've taken.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've been like, oh, I'm, I'm like watching my favorite songwriter try to explain a process that is actually
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[SPEAKER_04]: mysterious to them as well, which I can relate to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Courtney, I think, is actually very intentional about her process and really had figured out a great way of explaining some tips for getting unstuck, specifically.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I wrote the beginning of that song there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was done.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I brought it to my Robinson, my producer, and like creative partner.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he, you know, changed a verse into a bridge.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And suddenly we had this like powerbelled.
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[SPEAKER_04]: that has become kind of the cornerstone of the record.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And also was like, frankly an important self reflection for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't really know that that kind of regret was like sitting inside of me and something that I needed to like deal with.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so the song sort of informed my own healing process, which is really cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do think, largely, as someone who released 20, music in 2025, I do think that this was a year of cynicism in music and in non-commercial music, too, and there is an opportunity there like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the worst of our of what we have to offer societally was laid pretty bare this year and pretty out in the open.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The combination of a lot of political upheaval and our extremely online world has led to like a really,
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[SPEAKER_04]: just a cynical year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A year where people are being actually pretty honest about the vibes first.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I've also watched our sort of lesser capitalistic machines, those smaller indie machines that are meant to be community based.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let us know who they really are and start to align more with big business and industry, which is likely invested in those.
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[SPEAKER_04]: purposefully and cynically and we're watching those returns come in and I think I think that has been difficult as someone releasing music this year who's received a lot of clinical critical acclaim um oh I don't know if we can say that on basic folk but and you have to let us all know when that happens so we can support you from afar renaming the group chat as a click
41:06
[SPEAKER_05]: Listen, if we can't see clitoris on basic folk, what even is every press for women in 2025?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Literally.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think, I think what we have now, this has been happening since the pandemic, since it became incredibly online culture.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is five years in now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And everyone is starting to, my sister was like, my sister who isn't in on culture, she's a busy single mom was like, I'm deleting Spotify.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, radical ass, like I think what this means is like this year for me, at least was an invitation to imagine what my art can be without these structures that keep telling me that they're there for me, but continually not only let me down as an artist, but let me down as a listener.
41:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And let me down as a like I consume art as a form of self care and like I'm being as a consumer
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[SPEAKER_04]: let down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so
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[SPEAKER_04]: If 2025 was a cynical year to release music, and by the way, I'm really happy with the reception of my record, but still, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You cried.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then maybe 2026 is a year for us to imagine a new pathway.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love this and a lot of the work.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I will say that in the New Year's pattern, this is my moment to say, I anticipated this, released a live album at the beginning of the year, because I'm tired of this shit and have been.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so tired of it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm tired of the vibes first, merit never, lack of content, smoothed over pop garbage that gets like stamped with approval in roots music sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Also, I'm a messy bitch that lives for drama and like I wanted to like put something really raw
43:05
[SPEAKER_05]: I got a phone call.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to put out something really raw and potent out so that I could tour on it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it wasn't about selling records.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was about putting down like a standard of like, this is what you can expect when you come to my live show, come to a live show, like it's going to be unfiltered and it's going to be fun.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I try to like hone those as we go with the show.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I also thought it was really cool that you called the live album, Colmy Country, because it is very like, it's a statement.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, off the top that I don't find maybe a lot of other artists in country, or definitely like some, but I thought that that was a really cool move, you know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, and it was on purpose because like, I think that part of like the structures that are supposed to show up for us and don't are the genre,
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[SPEAKER_05]: divisions themselves.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like the more we get pigeons out and easily definable boxes, the easier it is to be treated poorly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And here's like, it is weird to look back at TikToks from last year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I had this TikTok from when Beyonce announced.
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[SPEAKER_05]: her country album.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, I'm stoked about this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, this is going to be a big commercial project.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's not our like little roots niche.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But what it's going to do is like bring shine a light of visibility on how segregated country music is because the vast majority of music fans have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And look what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like people are truly like.
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[SPEAKER_05]: sick of it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like people are making fun of how these good old boys get away with making boring music and that's on Beyonce releasing an album and like a more integrated crowd suddenly having an interest in country and roots music.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So like I think that delayed effect is going to be is going to be really positive but it also means like now's our time to like attack the castles.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
45:06
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you see that politically too, like, I mean, shout out NYC's are on, yeah, non-donny, just one-to-marrel election, you know, on a platform of democratic socialism, which is fascinating and like a really good omin, like, everyone was saying, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:23
[SPEAKER_05]: God, I hope he causes a lot of white flight.
45:28
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm saying it openly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm manifesting white flight in 2026 so that I can return to the city of my birth.
45:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just saying all none of these nice white liberals let me sing a coal mining protest song at their rally, but I did do that as or on Mom Donnie's rally in four styles.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, well, like, yes, he's for the working girlies and if if I was ever one,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean anyone who's anyone who's threatening to leave New York like go with God You will love to be missed Literally by the end of the comeback.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I would love to come day.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just want a little pettetare in Queens
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Is that how you pronounce that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Kyah would know.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All these finance bros need to weapons run out of New York and their little jackets.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, Kyah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: How's your banjo?
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[SPEAKER_05]: pedagogy of all of these days.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For those who don't know, Kaya teaches banjo lessons, sometimes privately, sometimes on online platforms.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The title is Clon Order.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The one in the only, many may imitate, but she is the one in only, Clon Order banjo instructor.
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[SPEAKER_05]: How's it all going over there?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, and may I just say, Dun Dun Dun.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Dun Dun to you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Things are good in the cloud-order world.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think there's more and more of an interest in from folks who want to play the CloudHimmer banjo.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And the reason I wanted to make this series
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[SPEAKER_06]: free on YouTube and not on like a Patreon, which by the way, totally respect artists having patreon, you should get paid for your work.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I just, I sort of felt like there, you know, there was not from what I could see like a like a claw hammer teaching series from a black instructor that was free and open to the public.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so that's what I wanted to spend some time on.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I found a lot of joy in it, actually, and thinking back about how do you teach a song, or how do you teach an original song, and what are people struggling with in wanting to learn?
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I've said this before, but I'll say it publicly on the podcast that I do offer free and low cost lessons to black folks who are wanting to...
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[SPEAKER_06]: Learn the banjo, private lessons, but you know, a girl is busy and so you know, if you want to Learn and I'm not available Please, please check out corn order and also every time I talk I want to shout out another album that I loved So I'll do it right now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I really like just in Robinson and rean and get-ins album What the blackbird said to the crow which is an album of North Carolina, Fiddling banjo music
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[SPEAKER_06]: And what's really cool about this album is they went to the places where those tunes were born and they recorded locally in different regions in North Carolina, which I find to be
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[SPEAKER_06]: really beautiful and their friendship also is like so compelling to me having been young young kids growing up in quite a predatory focusing and so I think there's a lot of beauty in that resurrection and the fact that they've you know let let the public in on on the beauty of like them making music together which feels very intimate to me it feels like a long time coming you know.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know what's interesting to me?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I love to hear your take on any album.
49:23
[SPEAKER_05]: But I also am picking up on this theme actually with different friend groups of mine where politically the temperature among black friends is like, we have so much going on.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We can barely keep up with it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We are doing not all of us, but many of the folks that I'm close with, it's like we're doing the work.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're making the new world.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The challenge is how do we let people in in a way that is useful and fair and open source and also values our labor?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And like that hopelessness and nihilism that I think is sweeping the broader culture, honestly none of my homies can relate.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We are too busy making art and breaking the rules and fostering relationships.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think it is exciting to go into 2026, like knowing that there are so many people that are like satellite members of our community who are like, I think getting it so right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All ready.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That reminds me of this show that we went to see by J.V.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Montgomery.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Kaya, can you tell our listeners a little bit about the, what was the title of it that it was about the drown towns?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I believe the project is called Black Lake Town.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And it's this artist, this wonderful artist and saxophonist, J. V. Montgomery, who and, you know, researcher, many, many slashes who looked into was researching man-made lakes and rivers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: that were constructed on top of historically black towns.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so, and where the residents were driven out in order for the state government, federal government, to create lakes and rivers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so he would put, um, he had all this kind of equipment, um, like contact mics.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And like, even one of them was waterproof.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was an underwater contact mic that he was able to, like, affix to, like, a sunken log.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so there were, there were, like, certain vibrational tones that he, he was able to get.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then he made this beautiful like multidisciplinary piece that had all these drones like and these like ancestral noises and sounds and you know Lizzie and I went to see the one of the shows in Nashville and it was very emotional.
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[SPEAKER_06]: very emotional, you know, and he was kind of speaking, he would he would talk about a certain town and he would show a map of of the historically black town and then he would overly a map of like the water over it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And he was speaking, I think, in a very measured way, but right at the end, he really like experienced it himself and we experienced it through him and it was very emotional, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was almost overwhelming, and I think it's so cool.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's kind of a trip to realize that those vibrational sounds that you're talking about are the echoes of like homes and potentially even like the remains of ancestors.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So they're like, they're creating a resonance in the water.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That sound is being recorded.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then those sound waves are getting filtered through the blues scale, which is to me another way of translating sound into contemporary living black people, like we filter it through the blues and then share it in a room full of people who've come to learn like that's transformation in real time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought that was such an amazing example of taking history and bringing it into right now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Speaking of sound, ESA, I want you to tell us about the audio femme workshop that you did.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And like, can you explain what the workshop was who was involved and like why you care about getting more women into the studio?
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[SPEAKER_02]: yes, would love to talk about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a project that that I did with my friend and friend of the show, Carolyn Kendrick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Friend of the pod.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Friend of the pod, the legend genius.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of my oldest friends we met our first week of college.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we had kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had this idea a number of years ago and it took until this summer to finally make it happen for real, but we had kind of like independently had the same idea like Carolyn and I were hanging out one day and I think she talked about wanting to get like a bunch of
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[SPEAKER_02]: women and gender expansive musicians together to work on recording and engineering and producing and I was like I have literally had this idea also and so then we started talking about doing some kind of project together and you know for variety of reasons it took it took a long time for it to get off the ground but we ended up doing the first like official one Carolyn did a little
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[SPEAKER_02]: We made it happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we were calling the project the gender equity audio workshop and uh yeah and it was uh
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like two, like two days it was like a half day and then a full day and then a half day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we had a mentor, Ali Rogers is her name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She works at here in North Carolina near where I live at Sylvan Eso's studio Betty's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I met Ali because I was recording on an album that was being recorded at that studio.
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[SPEAKER_02]: um, was engineering and I was like, oh, she's the one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's the person who we need to hire to be like the guest mentor for the, for the audio workshop because she was like, regardless of gender, one of the best engineers I've ever worked with, she just like so competent, such a great vibe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, yeah, I was like Carolyn, I found her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, we had Carolyn and I went back and forth a lot about how to figure out who should participate because we knew that we would like, we could just invite a bunch of our friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, but the studio space where we were doing it, we did a great north-sound society, which is an amazing studio in Maine and like a convertible farmhouse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we were like, even with our, even like the first year, we know there will be more interest than we can have people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we also want it to be, we want it to be equitable and we also want it to be not just our friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we ended up just like putting it out on social media and asking people to apply.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we, oh, also very important to note we wanted the workshop to be free.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and we were able to get a little bit of grant funding for that and we are kind of talking about ways that we can do more fundraising because it's not just about like gender equity, it's also about financial equity because like specifically production and engineering, our skills that are so hard to teach yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can teach yourself how to record at home if you have like the time and Energy I'm really not good at teaching myself skills like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like I just I need kind of a more structured environment with other people in order to show them those kind of skills and like so the the amount that you can learn at home is You know
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's challenging, but also, you can't get into a professional studio and learn how a patch bay works without going to school for it or looking into a mentorship kind of relationship with someone who has the time and money to teach you those skills.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's just, can I just pause and say that when we say luck into a mentorship, if you've been listening to basic folk long enough, what we mean by that is the type of
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[SPEAKER_05]: favors men do for each other.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's types of like informal mentorships, apprenticeships are not happening for women.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, go on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a great, that is a great point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so we, we took a bunch of applications and we were planning to kind of filter out anyone who seemed like really not a good fit in some way and then just pick out random.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's it we did we just selected the participants from like from the people who we thought would be a good fit Which was almost everyone that applied We just selected at random and it ended up being like 50 50 people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We knew and people we didn't know Which was awesome and it was like a real range of A real range of people too like there were some like full-time professional musicians who like toured and recorded a bunch and then there was like a high school student
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[SPEAKER_02]: who, like, my friend Greta, who shout out to Greta, um, like, she wants to be an engineer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, the fact that there is even, the fact that there is in the world, a 16 year old girl whose ambition is to be an audio engineer, like that wouldn't have even occurred to me when I was 16.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which it's it's so cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it it Carolina and I have like so many ideas for like we want to do more versions of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We want to do like more special Oh um And I just I'm so happy with how it went.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I could talk about this for a couple of years Congratulations empowering the next generation of producers and engineers
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I learned a lot too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, I've I have a lot of recording experience and I've done some like producing, but I'm not really an engineer and so I learned a lot from the workshop as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can become one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I want to go around and hear everybody's weirdest moment on tour this year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: we're all making thinking face.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's the thousand new artists.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just like, I'm like, think of good weird something good weird.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I will take that back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Once your favorite show you played this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, mine, not, no question, go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I didn't tour as much this year, as I have for the past bunch of years, so I have kind of a smaller sample to pick from, but my favorite show that I've played this year was with Carsee Blanton, the, Shoutout.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the legend, I am so, it's just so excited to be in her band.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love playing with her so much.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_02]: So we played a show, we did a Torin May, and we played a show in D.C. And Karci always has a lot of like activists and organizers at her shows, but in D.C. understandably, we're in a right in the heart of the belly of the beast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was also when like a lot of federal workers had just lost their jobs.
1:00:44
[SPEAKER_02]: at a lot of the other shows on that tour, it felt like we, the band, were like coming to the show, like creating a certain energy and like inviting the audience to meet us there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For those of you who don't know, Carsey, she writes a lot of protest songs.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_02]: She's one of the only, like, I think she writes better protests songs than almost anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a hard thing to do really well
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all of her shows always kind of feel a bit like a political rally, but this show in DC, it was like the audience was already there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't actually need to do anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the energy there was so intense and it felt like, and based on like talking to people after the show, this was confirmed for me, like they really needed to feel a sense of like catharsis and they needed a place to like,
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_02]: both release their rage and like to experience the validation of being in a room with 400 people who feel the same way that they feel, and to also try to cultivate some sense of hope.
1:01:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And Carson, I both cried on stage during that show.
1:01:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really, really amazing and it made me feel really lucky and it made me feel like I am, you know, using my powers for good.
1:02:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, ma'am.
1:02:08
[SPEAKER_05]: That's beautiful.
1:02:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Kyle?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Favorite show this year?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, well, maybe no, nowhere near.
1:02:16
[SPEAKER_06]: So I did not cry on stage, but I did really enjoy playing Harley-Strictly Bluegrass Festival with actually aforementioned friend of the pod, Caroline Kendrick, played fiddle with me and Andrew Ryan, played bass and it was legends.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, Harley-Strictly, it's like it's a pretty legendary fest.
1:02:41
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, my particular relationship with bluegrass music is I've always loved bluegrass music and I've always been going to bluegrass festivals, but you know, maybe that is not super like known and so whenever I get invited to play like a festival like hardly strictly it just makes me feel like I'm, you know, I'm like part of the cannon of like songwriters who are bluegrass adjacent.
1:03:07
[SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, I think there's complicated relationships with, you know, festivals whom we, we like want to be a part of it, but then we also sort of don't feel like we don't want to need their approval in order to feel like we are legitimate.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But you know, it stands, it stands to reason that it's, it's always nice when you do get that, that knot and I really felt like I was treated like a full and complex artist I was put on the right stage.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_06]: I was I was booked well I was treated well and that's not necessary.
1:03:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I also got to go to San Francisco for the first time and and see some sea lions, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We got the pits.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Those sea lions were cute because to prove that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Olivia, what was your favorite show this year?
1:03:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I put a record out this year and that meant that there was a lot of touring and a lot of like, I feel like my music career leveled up a bit this year.
1:04:08
[SPEAKER_04]: And what is literally?
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[SPEAKER_04]: hanging on my wall.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I wouldn't say that if I had to pick, I did a record really show in Brooklyn.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was sold out and was amazing with the one and only Lizzie now.
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And that was amazing.
1:04:24
[SPEAKER_04]: That show was crazy.
1:04:26
[SPEAKER_04]: It was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I finally got to play Mountain Stage in West Virginia.
1:04:31
[SPEAKER_04]: We're in from, woohoo!
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[SPEAKER_04]: God, I almost just knocked my laptop over just thinking about it.
1:04:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I wanted to play Mountain Stage for years.
1:04:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I've like never really known how to go about it.
1:04:42
[SPEAKER_04]: I finally like figured out the right combination of emails to send.
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_04]: To get it at the time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Also, I think this is the last show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I booked where I had absolutely like it was still just me.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I have a little bit of a team now, but I did this one totally on my own with like everything was secured and in place before I had a team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You legend and mountain stage had we'd been going back and forth for several months on dates and they'd had me sort of as an alternate for a few that fell through and I I remember I sent one email that was a little snarky about it and he came back and was like
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's okay, I think you're really gonna like, no, I know if we have.
1:05:21
[SPEAKER_04]: And I played to a soldout room at the Culture Center with the Warren Treaty, Johnny Swim, and Jeff Twitt.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Jeff Twitt.
1:05:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Jeff Twitt.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if Jeff is a listener to the pod.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jeff, I could not even look you in the eye on that day.
1:05:38
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I was at Newport, and once again, could not do it.
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_04]: So, that was male, no.
1:05:44
[SPEAKER_04]: He was very, it was not Jeff's.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's all me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: His band was very sweet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I met them later at the empty glass.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Many of them, and they were all very kind.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was not Jeff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was fully me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It could not.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It meant so much.
1:05:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I have been meeting to send an email to his management to be like, just so you guys know, I don't think it's Jeff's job to make my day, but that was the best it will have ever been.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
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[SPEAKER_04]: my mom and a bunch of her cousins were there, um, I like said my grandfather's name on stage and there was like a hoot and a holler from all of the rights in the audience.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It just felt like a homecoming and I met Kathy Mattea who is a queen and I would like to be my best friend, and I played that show with my touring band that I've had for years and we've played like every kind
1:06:42
[SPEAKER_04]: nonsense situation.
1:06:44
[SPEAKER_04]: You can imagine every kind of like roadside dive that exists between York City and Nashville.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so to get to give them the gift of like being up on that stage with me felt like a thank you for hard work.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My drummer, Kyle Andrews, and I met at four age camp in 1999.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is at four age camp.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Tyler Children's bring us on the road.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We
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[SPEAKER_04]: for our show, Redneck and loyal to each other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We love each other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, we're doing this for each of you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jeff Tweety, be my friend.
1:07:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Tyler, Jill, there's one for each of you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Pear styling, hellacious booty, heart and her.
1:07:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Heart and home, heart and hands, heart and health.
1:07:28
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't joke about for each one.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_04]: When you're on this podcast, what is it?
1:07:32
[SPEAKER_04]: It's head, hands, heart and health.
1:07:35
[SPEAKER_04]: The force of hate.
1:07:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Bindry is an involve husbandry hat.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, wait guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
1:07:40
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you stood for.
1:07:42
[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually so tiny.
1:07:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I could sing the song Please do my pledge.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I take my stand and each day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It means more and from now on for all my life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I pledge the ages for
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's a little cold.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.
1:08:00
[SPEAKER_04]: We've gotten so hot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm not cold.
1:08:03
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it actually is a perfect lead in because my favorite moment with my band this year was handing these gentlemen who have been with me through some amazing shows, very fancy festivals and then some horrific situations.
1:08:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Getting to hand them their luck rings on Willie Nelson's ranch.
1:08:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah, beautiful.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_05]: I will never forget.
1:08:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I will never forget rising above my body in the chapel and going from, you know, ZZ top to Mahalia Jackson as I try to do.
1:08:42
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so proud to be part of this very great group chat because not only are you all pursuing your musical dreams and curiosities in such unique and like earnest ways, but you all are hot as well.
1:08:57
[SPEAKER_05]: And I love you, share.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_05]: your weightlifting picks.
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_05]: I love being able to vent to women who just get it, whether I'm in a contract, negotiation, or at a gig, or just want to share the highs and lows of life on the road.
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_05]: Because I feel like this life that we've chosen, you have to
1:09:22
[SPEAKER_05]: make your own path.
1:09:24
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no like easy road.
1:09:26
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no formula.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's no prescribed female role in this world of music.
1:09:32
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're just making it up and I'm so proud to be able to do it with all of you.
1:09:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I fell in love with being a fan girl again this year.
1:09:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Like this girl, I fan girl over my friends so much.
1:09:41
[SPEAKER_04]: But then also I was like, yeah, I do love X artist and Y artist.
1:09:45
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm gonna like, I don't know, go to the opening of their bar and openly sob in the front row while they play music.
1:09:52
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, talking loose and darkly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're talking loose.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But like this, I think like, I think my reaction to the cynicism of this year has been to be like, I love my people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I love this stuff that I love so hard.
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[SPEAKER_05]: One of the artists that I love that I think had a huge year that I don't want to end without mentioning is Yasmin Williams.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Her album, Akadia, came out last year I believe, but she was touring heavily in support of it this year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She did dates with William Tyler.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And she faced down Rick Grinnell, the demon head of the Kennedy Center, like with such grace and clarity, um, and I think we are definitely seeing Yasmin's white counterparts get way more cloud for their anti-fascist work.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I think Yasmin is one of those musicians who is so plugged into what's going on in D.C. And so undeniable and outstanding as a guitarist that she is really shaking things up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like it was the year of Yasmin and Karsi for me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Totally great.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That to blew my mind and Ken Pomeroy as like that record.
1:10:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Oof!
1:11:00
[SPEAKER_05]: That record is hot.
1:11:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, she's so good.
1:11:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really behind my list.
1:11:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready to go to my dog.
1:11:04
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm taking from this conversation is that I am behind on my listening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Pairin' like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hilly's number one song of this year was Rango.
1:11:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Hilly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think my number one song was probably under the cover of Light by Ken Yates.
1:11:19
[SPEAKER_05]: I am such a Ken Yates stan, like a turn-off fan.
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_05]: God bless Canada.
1:11:25
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, Annada.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I need to listen to Ken Yates.
1:11:29
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what I'm taking from this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was playing public records tonight in New York City, Kaya.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Not at the time of the recording of this.
1:11:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're on a podcast.
1:11:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:11:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Good to know.
1:11:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
1:11:39
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to have to sit in the group.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we're still recording.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we should go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Merry Christmas.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Happy Hanukkah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Happy festivals of lights.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Happy New Year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Happy 2026.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Don't let the bastards get you down.
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