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The Kenny Report | 9 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight. Labor and Immigration, who they
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  Speaker 2: let in and how many is the new immigration minister
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  Speaker 2: doing any better than the last one. The Albaneze government
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  Speaker 2: introduces laws to stop the privatization of the NBN, which
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  Speaker 2: is pretty weird given selling the thing off was always
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  Speaker 2: Labour's policy, and the Prime Minister under fire for making
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  Speaker 2: a Tourette's syndrome jibe. Isn't it time to stop the outrage?
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  Speaker 2: And the ridiculous pylons? Also the Wednesday rangle on plenty,
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  Speaker 2: including that train wreck interview for Kamala Harris and Tim Walls.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get started.
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  Speaker 2: You have to ask whether Labor has actually learned anything
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  Speaker 2: on immigration. They've been in such a shambles on so
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  Speaker 2: many fronts. We've seen record immigration numbers that they admit
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  Speaker 2: at too high, but they're not controlling.
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  Speaker 1: They've had illegal people.
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  Speaker 2: Smuggling boats get to the mainland for the first time
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  Speaker 2: in a decade and it's happened three times. They've seen
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of convicted criminals, non citizens freed from immigration to
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  Speaker 2: tention without proper supervision, and they've seen dozens re offend. Allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: they've issued thousands of visas to people fleeing Gaza without
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  Speaker 2: proper security checks, and some visas have already had to
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  Speaker 2: be revoked for most of this year.
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  Speaker 1: All of this led to huge.
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  Speaker 2: Embarrassment for the government and the hapless Immigration Minister Andrew Giles.
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  Speaker 3: What we have here are decisions of an independent tribunal
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  Speaker 3: to overturn the cancelation. There was a decision of the
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  Speaker 3: aat an independent tribunal to overturn to overturn the cancelation
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  Speaker 3: of the visa.
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  Speaker 1: These were decisions made by an independent tribunal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a dead man walking for a long
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  Speaker 2: time time and was eventually dumped in July along with
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  Speaker 2: the Home Affairs Minister Claire O'Neill, with the more senior
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  Speaker 2: Tony Burke taking over both roles.
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  Speaker 1: But he doesn't seem to be doing much better does he.
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  Speaker 2: Already it's clear Labour's efforts to cut immigration are failing,
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  Speaker 2: with experts predicting they'll overshoot their target by one hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand people this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Net migration last year topped half a million, almost the
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  Speaker 2: population of the whole state of Tasmania, and the plan
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  Speaker 2: was to pull that back by about one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty thousand this year, but it looks like being nearly
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  Speaker 2: five hundred thousand people added to this country again this year.
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  Speaker 2: Not quite another Tasmania, but about the population.
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  Speaker 1: Of the Act added this year.
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  Speaker 2: And despite these huge numbers adding to our housing crisis
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  Speaker 2: and our cost of living pressures, the Minister admits we're
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  Speaker 2: not filling our skills gaps, not bringing in enough tradees
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  Speaker 2: to build the we need.
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  Speaker 4: When the mempher Curtain says we haven't been able to
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  Speaker 4: get the number of people who industry want to be
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  Speaker 4: able to get at the moment, that's true. It's also
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  Speaker 4: true that last year the number of skilled construction workers
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  Speaker 4: who were granted visus was ten thousand, and that was
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  Speaker 4: the highest number in a decade. So in terms of
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  Speaker 4: the government trying to turn the system around to respond
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  Speaker 4: to the crisis in making sure that we've got enough
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  Speaker 4: workers in construction, that is being done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're trying, trying, trying, but not doing what they
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  Speaker 2: say they'll do. And on top of this, there are
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  Speaker 2: more security concerns this week about just who Burke is
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  Speaker 2: letting into the country. Today, the Daily Telegraph reported that
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  Speaker 2: one of the people from Gaza granted a tourist visa
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  Speaker 2: into Australia is Fayes el Hassani, who ran an art
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  Speaker 2: gallery in Gaza and in twenty nineteen hosted a meeting
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  Speaker 2: of Palestinian faction leaders, including from Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
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  Speaker 2: Elahasi said at that meeting that Palestinian resistance should confront
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  Speaker 2: the occupation by all possible means to restore rights and
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  Speaker 2: liberate the land. It also shared social media posts about
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  Speaker 2: rockets fired from Gaza into Israel, saying O, people of Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: glorify God, what blessed jihad.
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  Speaker 1: Your jihad is.
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  Speaker 2: The Palestinian resistance continues to respond and repel the brutal aggression.
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  Speaker 2: His son Muhammad also worked at the gallery and on
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  Speaker 2: October the ninth last year, posted the number is increasing
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  Speaker 2: so far seven hundred Israeli dead. Praise be to God.
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  Speaker 2: The Opposition raised the case in Parliament today and.
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  Speaker 1: My question is to the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 5: The Albanesi government granted a visa to Fayes el Hassani,
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  Speaker 5: an individually openly linked to terrorists organizations TAMAS and Palestinian
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  Speaker 5: Islamic g HAD in two thousand and nineteen, El Hassani
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  Speaker 5: reportedly hosted a summit of terror organization leaders, which he
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  Speaker 5: opened by stating, they must quote I quote, confront the
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  Speaker 5: occupation by all possible means. Prime Minister. Has the visa
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  Speaker 5: of this individual been canceled?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the Prime Minister didn't respond. The Immigration Minister took
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  Speaker 2: the question if.
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  Speaker 4: At any point we receive advice from our security agencies
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  Speaker 4: that the visa should be canceled, that is what will happen.
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  Speaker 1: That is what will happen.
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  Speaker 4: But this concept that shadow ministers should be the proxies
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  Speaker 4: for our security agencies is just a bizarre way to operate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Burke might say that remember that comment, because yesterday
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  Speaker 2: he was confronted with the words of this American visit
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  Speaker 2: who had been granted a visa.
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  Speaker 1: I started a late note.
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  Speaker 6: I'm feeling in a good mood today after today is
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  Speaker 6: not fully a day of mourning in many respects, today
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  Speaker 6: is also a day that marks considerable celebration, considerable progress.
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  Speaker 2: This was a case raised in the media and by
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  Speaker 2: the opposition, and it prompted action from the minister. It
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  Speaker 2: was only after this attention that Burke announced moves to
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  Speaker 2: cancel this Bloke's visa, so call it a bizarre way
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  Speaker 2: to operate indeed, but it seems these cases are coming
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  Speaker 2: forward from the media and the opposition before the minister
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  Speaker 2: takes action.
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  Speaker 1: So sure the government changed the immigration minister, but not
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  Speaker 1: much else is changing.
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  Speaker 2: We're reminded, of course, that Tony Burke was Immigration Minister
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  Speaker 2: once before in the rud government, when Labor had completely
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  Speaker 2: lost control of our maritime borders. It's too late for
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  Speaker 2: Labor to get on top of these issues before next
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  Speaker 2: year's election. Start taking another bad immigration record to that election,
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  Speaker 2: and no doubt they'll be promising to do a better
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  Speaker 2: job if they get another chance. Nothing gets the Labor
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  Speaker 2: Party and their union mates more excited than a good
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  Speaker 2: old fashioned privatization scare. They love that political play, even
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  Speaker 2: though of course it was Labor that sold off Quantus
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  Speaker 2: and the Commonwealth Bank. They like to forget that now,
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  Speaker 2: and they often run fear campaigns about so called privatizations
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  Speaker 2: even when they know they're not happening, like their infamous
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  Speaker 2: Mani scare in twenty sixteen. So you'd have to be
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  Speaker 2: naive to think there was anything going on except desperate politics.
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  Speaker 2: When the Prime Minister announced these new laws this morning.
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  Speaker 7: We've introduced legislation into the House today that safeguards the
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  Speaker 7: future of the NBN, making sure it can't be privatized,
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  Speaker 7: sold off or hollowed out. Because they've never been a
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  Speaker 7: public service or asset that the Liberal Party didn't want
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  Speaker 7: to carve up and sell off.
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  Speaker 8: That is what they do.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on, No one's been talking about flogging off the
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  Speaker 2: NBN lately, have they. You probably wouldn't get your money
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  Speaker 2: back on it now, given all the taxpayers money that's
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  Speaker 2: been pumped in, Not to mention the way wireless and
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  Speaker 2: satellite internet is taking over. But the great hypocrisy here
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  Speaker 2: is that it's Labor who all along, right from the
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  Speaker 2: very start, was planning to sell off the NBN. Here's
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd making the NBN announcement in two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 2: The government will make an additional investment in this company,
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  Speaker 2: but intends to sell down its interest in the company
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  Speaker 2: within five years after the network is built. Yeah, privatization
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  Speaker 2: was Labour's plan, and Rud repeated that a number of
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  Speaker 2: times in that media conference. It's a nation building decision,
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  Speaker 2: Rud said, humble as ever. But once it's up and
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  Speaker 2: running and delivering those surfaces, then we would within that
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  Speaker 2: five year period sell it to the private sector. This
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  Speaker 2: position was repeated ad nauseum by Labor under Julia Gillard
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  Speaker 2: and then even after Alberanzi was elected, although they've gradually
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  Speaker 2: hedged backwards about when and if they'd.
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  Speaker 1: Sell it off.
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  Speaker 2: So while Labour is obviously trying to create a privatization
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  Speaker 2: debate in the lead up to the election because they're
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  Speaker 2: desperate for a distraction, the real story here is that
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  Speaker 2: Labour has backflipped on its own policy and as expected,
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  Speaker 2: the NBN will always be there as a risk for taxpayers,
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  Speaker 2: not private investors. Effectively, Labour's admitted that the NBN will
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  Speaker 2: never make the promised profit for taxpayers. Instead, it will
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  Speaker 2: remain a cost and a risk for taxpayers. And just
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  Speaker 2: because taxpayers own the NBN doesn't mean the broad bad
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  Speaker 2: Giant is stingy with its executives. Its most recent chief executive,
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Rue, was paid more than three million dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: He resigned in May and took his one point four
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  Speaker 2: million dollar payout to optus. The NBN has six other
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  Speaker 2: executives being paid more than a million dollars a year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: apparently we've got to keep the NBN in government hands
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  Speaker 2: to keep prices down and keep those nasty capitalists.
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  Speaker 1: That by nice work if you can get it now.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been in the habit of defending Anthony Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: much of late, but look, as you know, Parliament gets
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  Speaker 2: pretty willing at times, and MPs lose their call and have.
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  Speaker 1: A crack at each other. It can be pretty ugly
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  Speaker 1: and abusive.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm never too critical of that because it's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be the national clearinghouse for debate and the big issues.
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  Speaker 2: But if you've seen it at its worse than describing
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  Speaker 2: an interjecting opponent as sounding like they've got Tourett syndrome,
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  Speaker 2: well that's hardly over the top.
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  Speaker 8: The idea that where have you got tourets or something?
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  Speaker 8: You know, you know, you see there, babble babble, bab order.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was yesterday, as you know, and you can
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  Speaker 2: hear the laughs quickly turned to outrage, feigned or not,
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  Speaker 2: and soon enough the Prime Minister had to withdraw or
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  Speaker 2: and later make a formal apology.
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  Speaker 1: I we draw, mister Speagher, I we drawn?
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  Speaker 8: Are we drawn?
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  Speaker 1: I we draw?
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  Speaker 8: And apologized.
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  Speaker 9: I made comments that were unkind and hurtful. I knew
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  Speaker 9: it was wrong as soon as I made the comment.
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  Speaker 9: I apologized and I withdrew as soon as I said it.
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  Speaker 1: But it shouldn't have happened.
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  Speaker 9: And I also want to apologize to all Australians who
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  Speaker 9: suffer from this disability.
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  Speaker 2: Really a grave apology from the Prime Minister for saying Tourett's.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, well, look, he made the wrong comment and he
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  Speaker 10: apologized for it, and so he should. It was inappropriate
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  Speaker 10: in the heat of the moment in the chamber, but
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  Speaker 10: he should be above that as the Prime Minister. That's
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  Speaker 10: not the sort of comments that you would expect from
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  Speaker 10: our national leader.
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  Speaker 1: Look, this sort of thing is spreading.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, in this woke world, nothing's more popular
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  Speaker 2: than claiming victimhood or making big apologies.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this on Radio National this morning.
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  Speaker 11: What I feel is that sometimes some of our states,
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  Speaker 11: I mean portiately European state, it's western states, so a
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  Speaker 11: little bit because of frantic about that.
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  Speaker 12: And that schizophrenic approach that you've described it as, this
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  Speaker 12: more confused approach.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, an approach that might be described as schizophrenic, but
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  Speaker 2: you guessed it later we got a grand apologia.
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  Speaker 12: And can I just make an apology, a real apology. Actually,
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  Speaker 12: my last couple of guests ago, actually it wasn't quite
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  Speaker 12: the last guest use the word schizophrenic in describing policy,
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  Speaker 12: which he used and I thought he was a very
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  Speaker 12: interesting man. But yeah, I can understand why people offended
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  Speaker 12: by it, and then I repeated it, and I can
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  Speaker 12: only apologize to myself, of course, and I do apologize
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  Speaker 12: for that. It is a few of you have made
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  Speaker 12: the point about timing with the Prime Minister apologizing about
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  Speaker 12: the Turet's comment. I think you're right about the timing.
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  Speaker 12: It just shows how well, in my case, you can
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  Speaker 12: not think before you speak sometimes. And I heard the
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  Speaker 12: word and I repeated it, and I apologize. I don't
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  Speaker 12: think that we need to be using mental health or
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  Speaker 12: any of these issues to describe in a derogatory way,
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  Speaker 12: which was not certainly my intention. But I apologize and
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  Speaker 12: thank you for your texts.
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  Speaker 2: It was a long apology for a quick comment. She's
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  Speaker 2: starting to sound a bit obsessive compulsive.
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  Speaker 1: Surely this stuff is out of hand.
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  Speaker 2: We all know the left masters a confecting outrage against
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  Speaker 2: anyone on the right of politics.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, it was a good meeting.
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  Speaker 13: It was a good meeting, not the kind of double
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  Speaker 13: standards and political gameplaying imposed by the leader of the opposition,
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  Speaker 13: now looking at his watch because apparently a woman spoken
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  Speaker 13: too long. I've had him yell at me to shut
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  Speaker 13: up in the past.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we remember those examples.
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  Speaker 2: The left love to drum up outrage and social media
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  Speaker 2: pylons against conservatives over virtually anything. But that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: the right of center should respond in kind. Better to
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  Speaker 2: chill and rise above it. I mean, if repeated out
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  Speaker 2: bursts can't be likened to tourets and a confused policy
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  Speaker 2: can't be schizophrenic, what else is canceled from our language?
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  Speaker 2: Are we so weak need whoops? Sorry, I don't mean
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  Speaker 2: to offend the arthritic? Are we so wimpish, sorry to
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  Speaker 2: offend whimps that soon we won't be able to say
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  Speaker 2: that a politician is blind to our problems or death
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  Speaker 2: to voter concerns? What about calling someone myopic or short sighted?
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  Speaker 2: Is that a slight against the visually impaired? Can we
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  Speaker 2: describe a stumbling response as stammering or stuttering?
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  Speaker 1: It's all too much.
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  Speaker 2: We're desperate to take offense, sucking the life out of
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  Speaker 2: our language. I feel like I've got chronic outrage fatigue syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: If that's allowed.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go to the economy and the National Broadband
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  Speaker 2: Network on what's going on here.
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  Speaker 1: I want to catch up again with University of.
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales professor Gigi Foster joining me live from Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Gigi.
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  Speaker 2: I want to come to the crisis in our economy
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  Speaker 2: at a moment.
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  Speaker 1: But first up the NBN.
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  Speaker 2: This grand statement that the government's not going to flog
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  Speaker 2: it off. It was always their plan to flog it off,
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  Speaker 2: isn't the reality? The thing has cost so much and
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to turn the profit that they promise,
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  Speaker 2: so they're stuck with tex Pize are stuck with it.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, thanks Chris for having me on.
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  Speaker 15: The NBN is one of those, I guess has been
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  Speaker 15: called wide elephant project, one.
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  Speaker 14: Of those sort of question mark projects.
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  Speaker 15: From an economic perspective, I always think what could we
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  Speaker 15: have done with all that money and gotten more bang
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  Speaker 15: for the buck, gotten more welfare out of the investment
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  Speaker 15: that we made, and I think of a lot of
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  Speaker 15: things we could have maybe put fresh water into all
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  Speaker 15: of our remote regional communities. You know, satisfying that sort
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  Speaker 15: of basic need to me is much more important than
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  Speaker 15: satisfying the need to have a little bit stronger or
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  Speaker 15: faster internet connection. And so I just see this as
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  Speaker 15: a huge amount of money, kind of like the COVID situation,
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  Speaker 15: the policies that just bled billions and billions, hundreds of
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  Speaker 15: billions of dollars at the end for nothing really in
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  Speaker 15: terms of welfare, And we could have spent that money differently.
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  Speaker 14: So what I'm seeing with the NBN is basically a
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  Speaker 14: lot of waste.
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  Speaker 15: And exactly as you say, the idea that somehow the
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  Speaker 15: Labor Plan is going to retain Australia's assets for the people,
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  Speaker 15: and Liberal plans wouldn't do that.
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  Speaker 14: I just don't understand that.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, we don't want to sell basic infrastructure to overseas buyers,
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  Speaker 15: but nobody's proposing that anyway. And whether this technology is
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  Speaker 15: actually what we need is not being checked by market
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  Speaker 15: forces because it's being led by the government and has
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  Speaker 15: been four years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the two important points. One is it's not a
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  Speaker 1: zero sum game.
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  Speaker 2: If they hadn't have done the NBN, all of this
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure would have been rolled out by private enterprise. There
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  Speaker 2: would have been various sorts of cable and wireless infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: And the other point is wireless.
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  Speaker 2: We're seeing such a growth in speeds and delivery of
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  Speaker 2: wireless internet and even satellite internet that the NBA and
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  Speaker 2: all those cables to everyone's houses, they could be redundant
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  Speaker 2: in years, couldn't they exactly?
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  Speaker 15: I mean, it reminds me a little bit of the
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  Speaker 15: sort of obsolescence of the Central plans of the Soviet Union.
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  Speaker 15: As soon as they were written down, there was technology
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  Speaker 15: to overwrite them and make them sort of not as useful, right,
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  Speaker 15: not as efficient as what the private market would discover.
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  Speaker 15: So that's one of the reasons why we generally prefer
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  Speaker 15: in economics for decisions about technology and investment to be
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  Speaker 15: made at the coal face rather than buy a government entity,
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  Speaker 15: because the coal face is where the dynamism is, and
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  Speaker 15: we want to use that dynamism and follow it in
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  Speaker 15: developing our economy.
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  Speaker 1: And let them carry the risk, not taxpayers.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I've got to get you on what's happening in
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  Speaker 2: our economy. A record number of company insolvencies in the
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  Speaker 2: last six months, six six hundred companies. What does this
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  Speaker 2: tell us how worried should we be.
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  Speaker 15: I think this is a really bad sign because not
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  Speaker 15: only is that sort of the only signal, but there
• 18:41
  Speaker 15: are many other things in the environment that I'm seeing
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  Speaker 15: and worrying about. Certainly, China's dramatic reversal offortions over the
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  Speaker 15: last few years is a big shock, will be a
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  Speaker 15: big shock to Australia. We have this productivity slump that
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  Speaker 15: of course is affecting small business and small and medium.
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  Speaker 14: Sized businesses as well.
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  Speaker 15: And generally the small medium sized business sector is kind
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  Speaker 15: of an engine of innovation and diversity of choice for consumers,
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  Speaker 15: so it's a big part of what drives consumer welfare
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  Speaker 15: and puts competitive pressure even on the bigger businesses. And
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  Speaker 15: of course that's why the bigger businesses are quite happy
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  Speaker 15: to see government policies which disproportionately penalize the smaller and.
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  Speaker 14: Medium sized businesses. So I don't like it.
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  Speaker 15: I feel like it's yet another signal that the economy
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  Speaker 15: is more uncertain than we should have had at this period.
• 19:29
  Speaker 14: And of course the.
• 19:30
  Speaker 15: Situation is a complex mix of different policy consequences that
• 19:36
  Speaker 15: have been happening for many years.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, small and medium businesses the engine of the economy,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: but they seem to have the smallest voice.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, dig I appreciate it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Gigi Foster there from the University of New South Wales
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: is always such good common sense and cut through on
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: economic issues.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the immigration issues. I kicked off
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the program.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: With and I'm joined from camera by the Shadow Immigration Minister,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Dan teen.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Thanks to joining us.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Dan, I opened the program and by looking at how
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: we're overshooting our immigration numbers again this year. We've got
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: these issues about who's been given a visa to come
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: into this country, their connections to.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Terrorist groups and the like.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: We've changed immigration minister, but it doesn't seem like the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: government's made any progress on any of the key immigration issues.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right, Chris. It's a different immigration minister, but
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: it's the same old story. Labor continue to make a
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: complete mess of immigration and national security and sadly it's
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: the Australian people who are going to pay the price.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: From what we've heard overnight, these revelations in the Daily
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Telegraph that someone through their social media posts, who has
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: been found to have hosted meetings with Hamas operatives has
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: been led into the country and the Immigration Minister and
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: the Prime Minister wouldn't answer the most basic questions with
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: regards to how he's here and how they would attempt
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: to get rid of him. And it's once again just
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: a complete narer mess, especially when you think that over
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: sixteen hundred people have come from the guards of war
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Zone into Australia. We've got serious concerns about the security
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: checks that were put in place and now we're finding
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: out record numbers of them are claiming asylum.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: So even if there are.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Red flags with regards to the security situation of these individuals,
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: my worry is the government wouldn't be able to remove
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: them from the country if they were found to raise
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: security red flags.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's deeply worrying.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I just want to show some of what Tony Burke
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: had to say in response to your questioning in Parliament.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: If you want to be on this side of the
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: chamber and you don't have confidence in our security agencies,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: say so, say so because this government, this government.
• 22:03
  Speaker 16: Has confidence in our security agencies and those opposite. Those
• 22:07
  Speaker 16: opposite are now are now wanting to demand a whole
• 22:13
  Speaker 16: lot of examples which tested against their record, they would fail.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Dismally every single time Tony Burkey.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Now my point is he keeps hiding behind the security
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: agencies and his department. But these issues of people connected
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: to terrorist outfits and the other bloke from America who
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: was saying the October the seventh is a day for celebration.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: These are examples that the media and the opposition has highlighted,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and only after you've put them into the public domain
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: has the government and the minister actually decided that they're
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: going to refer them for examination. I mean, if you
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: weren't doing it, it wouldn't come up.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: So it just goes to his confidence. What's he doing.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: Exactly? It's a complete file of leadership from the Prime
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Minister down and we know because we uncoveted it in
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: FOI documents and that the only reason that our security
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: agencies were looking at the people that came in on
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: tourist visas were if they were referred to them. So
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: we still haven't got a question too, were they all
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: referred or not? Another question for Tony Burke, a very
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: straightforward one. If you are a supporter of hamas, do
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: you pass the character test to get an Australian visa?
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Now that's a simple question. That he should be answered
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: able to answer no to. We asked that question of
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: the Prime Minister twice on the twenty second of August.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: He won't answer it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: They wouldn't answer it again today.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is extraordinarly an art of failure of leadership.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Just want to go to one issue and that is
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: social cohesion, because the Prime Minister has something to say
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: about that today with Kieran Gilbert.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: Any Semitism and hatred in any form is just wrong
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: and what we need to do in this multicultural nation
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: of ours is to come together.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Look, this is pathetic.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: This is a national leader saying we all just have
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to come together and love each other.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: But he's done nothing to get rid of the extremism.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Death to Jews and where's the Jews and preach and
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: celebrating the death of Jews on October the seventh. No
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: police action over that, no action on these visas now,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: no attempt to shut down the hate speech. But we
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: read apparently that an eighty two year old woman who
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: ran a mosque, rang a mosque and apparently said horrible
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: things to the people in the mosque.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: She's being charged.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Prime Minister is not doing anything to
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: show the country where to draw the line on hate speech.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: The clear cut example of that, sadly, was yesterday with
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: that US academic that said that we should be celebrating
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: October seven or words to those effects. And yet he
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: is still here and we don't know what the action,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: if any, of the government is going to take to
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: remove him from the country, and a quick search of
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: his social media showed that he.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Should never have been allowed into the country to start with.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: So the Prime Minister canata words, but if you're going
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: to fix social cohesion in this nation, you have to act.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: And the sad reality is is the Prime Minister is
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: not acting, and that is why we're seeing social cohesion
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: in this nation disappear before our eyes. I have never
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: seen the like of what we've seen in the last
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: twelve months, and sadly it's going to continue.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Why this week prime Minister is in the office. Yeah,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: it's terrible.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Dan Dan teen there, the shadow
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Immigration minister. He's right, there's just no leadership on this
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: hans Off approach from the Prime Minister and the Immigration Minister.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: No leadership and that's what you're there to do. You're
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: there to lead, act and lead. Now we've got to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: take a break.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm going to have more on
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: this ABC effort through four corners to bolster Labour's grim
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: dream by spreading nonsense.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: About nuclear energy. Don't go away.
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: Now.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I showed you last night the ABC's effort to run
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: down nuclear energy. It was pretty incredible stuff from the
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: public broadcast, actually setting out to debunk a coalition policy.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: In doing so, they tried to portray.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: A technology that's successful in nearly all developed economies and
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: which is being tripled over the next two decades, while
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the ABC tried to pretend it can't work in Australia,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and they rolled out the usual suspects.
• 26:51
  Speaker 17: Is, how would you describe a policy to build seven.
• 26:55
  Speaker 18: Nuclear plants in Australia recklessly stupid and duly stupid.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I still can't get over recklessly stupid from the bloke
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: who gave us snowy hydro two point zero. But let's
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: move on to nuclear and I'm joined on the desk
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: now by Helen Cook from g and the Advisory. Great
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: to catch up with you again, Ellen, what did you
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: make of that four corners piece? It was essentially trying
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to say that nuclear energy that's empowering so much of
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the world as we speak, can't work in Australia.
• 27:24
  Speaker 19: Yeah, it did seem to be an attempt to take
• 27:27
  Speaker 19: down parts of the coalition's policy using American voices, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 19: I thought that was a shame because it didn't accurately
• 27:35
  Speaker 19: portray what America and Americans think about nuclear energy. The
• 27:39
  Speaker 19: majority of Americans, according to the most recent polling, support
• 27:42
  Speaker 19: nuclear energy. We know that politically it's a bipart is
• 27:45
  Speaker 19: an issue. When Secretary Grandholm opened those vocal units that
• 27:49
  Speaker 19: were the focus of the report, she said to down
• 27:53
  Speaker 19: one hundred and ninety eight to go wow.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned now that day the Biden administration is
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: really going big on nuclear revival, having old reactors.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And building new ones.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: That's right, let's just have a look at some of
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the program. Then here's some commentary from America.
• 28:09
  Speaker 20: In this industry, vendor claims about cheaper nuclear costs have
• 28:15
  Speaker 20: a long, well documented and very sad history. They just
• 28:20
  Speaker 20: don't come true. There is no basis for believing that
• 28:26
  Speaker 20: this utterly unproven technology is going to sweep in and
• 28:31
  Speaker 20: make a success of a field that up to now
• 28:35
  Speaker 20: has been an unmitigated economic failure.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: So what's the unproven technology and unmitigated failure he's talking
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: about there.
• 28:44
  Speaker 19: Look, I'm not sure what he's talking about, but what
• 28:46
  Speaker 19: i will say is that that's an example to me
• 28:49
  Speaker 19: of where this piece was just unbalanced. You know, I'm
• 28:51
  Speaker 19: sure he was used because of his seniority, the fact
• 28:54
  Speaker 19: that he is a former NRC commissioner, But there are many, many, many,
• 28:58
  Speaker 19: in fact, a majority of it RC commissioners that are
• 29:01
  Speaker 19: pro nuclear, that are actively involved in supporting the nuclear
• 29:04
  Speaker 19: industry today. You know, Bill Magwood, the current Director General
• 29:07
  Speaker 19: of the Nuclear Energy Agency of the OECD, former commissioner,
• 29:11
  Speaker 19: came to mind. Christine S. Finicky, the longest serving commissioner
• 29:14
  Speaker 19: on the NRC, She came to my mind. She's currently
• 29:17
  Speaker 19: on the board of a number of nuclear energy companies
• 29:19
  Speaker 19: in the United States.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Well, the economics must stack up, right, because so many
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: governments are pushing nuclear and expanding it, and so much
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: of that has been delivered by private enterprise. In fact,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Three Mile Islands is going to be fired up because
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: of a contractor with Microsoft. So it's the private sector
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: demanding this. The numbers must add.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Up there, for Yeah, that's right.
• 29:39
  Speaker 19: And look, I've just come back from the International Atomic
• 29:41
  Speaker 19: Energy Agencies and your General Conference in Vienna, where country
• 29:45
  Speaker 19: after country got up and spoke positively about their plans
• 29:49
  Speaker 19: to roll out nuclear energy, recognizing its potential contribution to
• 29:52
  Speaker 19: our decarbonized energy systems and including the ability to supply
• 29:56
  Speaker 19: that reliable energy that we know we need for things
• 29:59
  Speaker 19: like AI.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Well, what about the cost to consumers. That's something that
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: critics focus on. Here's a little bit from the ABC
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: four Corners report focusing on costs in Georgia.
• 30:09
  Speaker 17: Consumers like Anna Hamer are paying the price of the
• 30:13
  Speaker 17: cost overruns. In July, she was hit with her highest
• 30:17
  Speaker 17: power bill ever, six hundred and eighteen US dollars for
• 30:21
  Speaker 17: one month.
• 30:22
  Speaker 21: They're telling us, so everything was going to be okay
• 30:25
  Speaker 21: with this plant, that it would be on time and
• 30:26
  Speaker 21: it would be on Burdget. It's over Burget and we
• 30:29
  Speaker 21: are paying for that, and that seems wrong to me.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Well, no one's seen the worse increases in their power
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: bills than Australians, and that's not from nuclear. But let's
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: get to the chasier though. Can nuclear deliver reliable, affordable power?
• 30:45
  Speaker 19: Yeah, absolutely it can, and here's again where I think
• 30:47
  Speaker 19: we missed a bit of context last night. So they
• 30:50
  Speaker 19: are paying in Georgia for that first of a kind technology,
• 30:54
  Speaker 19: that's what they're doing. We won't have to do that
• 30:56
  Speaker 19: because first of a kind. No, and that is not
• 30:59
  Speaker 19: what the coalition's policy is. It's quite expressly proven technology.
• 31:03
  Speaker 19: And that AP one thousand plant now is going to
• 31:06
  Speaker 19: be built in China, It's going to be built in Bulgaria,
• 31:09
  Speaker 19: in Poland, in the Ukraine, it's shortlisted in Sweden, it's
• 31:11
  Speaker 19: shortlisted in the Netherlands, like it is going to be
• 31:14
  Speaker 19: nh the veninha vanenth of a kind. The context, though,
• 31:18
  Speaker 19: that we didn't get when we heard about the increase
• 31:21
  Speaker 19: in increasing power bills in Georgia is that those power bills,
• 31:25
  Speaker 19: as based on the available information today are still below
• 31:29
  Speaker 19: average or about average, compared to the other states in America.
• 31:33
  Speaker 19: And as you said, we are paying higher prices.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all relative, isn't it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Just briefly, I want to show another one of the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: usual suspects that the ABC are incredibly used as an expert.
• 31:45
  Speaker 22: If nuclear advocates can show me that adding nuclear to
• 31:48
  Speaker 22: Australia's grid would help us decarbonize faster and cheaper. Then
• 31:53
  Speaker 22: I'll be in the trenches with them. If they want
• 31:57
  Speaker 22: Australians to embrace nuclear, they've got to do the work.
• 32:01
  Speaker 22: But that work hasn't been done.
• 32:04
  Speaker 20: Now.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: This bloke's not open minded about nuclear.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: He's a huge renewables investor, and he's spent the last
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: five years of his life on a political push into
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: renewables and bankrolling the tills.
• 32:16
  Speaker 19: I'll leave you to make those comments, Chris, but I'll
• 32:19
  Speaker 19: focus on just a few of my thoughts coming out
• 32:22
  Speaker 19: of the substance of what he said. First, he talks
• 32:24
  Speaker 19: about nuclear energy being too slow, and we hear that often,
• 32:27
  Speaker 19: and yet some of the fastest rollouts of carbon low
• 32:31
  Speaker 19: carbon energy anywhere are actually nuclear.
• 32:35
  Speaker 23: Now.
• 32:35
  Speaker 19: I was in Sweden just a couple of weeks ago.
• 32:37
  Speaker 19: Sweden plans to have two large reactors online by twenty
• 32:40
  Speaker 19: thirty five and ten gigawatts by twenty forty five. And
• 32:45
  Speaker 19: when people say, well, that's ambitious, Sweden says, we've done
• 32:48
  Speaker 19: it before, and indeed they have. In the sixties to
• 32:51
  Speaker 19: the eighties. They put on their greed exactly the same
• 32:54
  Speaker 19: amount that they want to roll out over the next
• 32:56
  Speaker 19: twenty years. So it can be done.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Also did it in a decade.
• 33:02
  Speaker 19: The UAE has done it very quickly.
• 33:03
  Speaker 20: Now.
• 33:03
  Speaker 19: The other thing that I take issue with in Simon's
• 33:06
  Speaker 19: comments is the idea that we should as Australia just
• 33:09
  Speaker 19: sit and do nothing and just wait. Because if we
• 33:12
  Speaker 19: sit and do nothing and just wait, then people like
• 33:14
  Speaker 19: Simon in a few years time, we'll be able to
• 33:16
  Speaker 19: say the same thing, which is, oh, it's going.
• 33:19
  Speaker 24: To be too slow, going to stick.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: With the windmills because everything's running out out of time.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It is ridiculous. But thanks for picking those holes in
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: it for us, sir Helen. I appreciate your time. Helen
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Cook there on what the ABC is trying to spin
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: us on nuclear After the break, Julian Lisa joins me
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: more on Labour's never ending immigration disaster, plus the Wednesday
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: wrangle with Liz and Justin on calls to change a
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: controversial street name. As I discussed at the top of
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the program, the questions it was a question Time today,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: of course focused on immigration and these are decisions too
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: by Tony Burke, who seems to hide behind his department
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: all the time when there are concerns about a Palestinian
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: manlet in despite connections to Hamas and other terror organizations.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Liberal MP Julian Lisa outlines his concerns.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Well, this is right, Chris.
• 34:13
  Speaker 18: I think Australians know that every time labor comes to government,
• 34:16
  Speaker 18: when it comes to the immigration program, things go to custard.
• 34:20
  Speaker 18: And the first duty of a government is to protect Australians,
• 34:23
  Speaker 18: to keep them safe, to in John Howard's words, decide
• 34:26
  Speaker 18: who comes to this country and the manner in which
• 34:28
  Speaker 18: they come. And this government needs to exercise absolute clarity
• 34:32
  Speaker 18: in denouncing anybody who might have been brought here who's
• 34:34
  Speaker 18: ever been a supporter of a terrorist organization, and cancel
• 34:38
  Speaker 18: visas of anybody who's come here who's part of a
• 34:40
  Speaker 18: terrorist organization. And it seems as though, according to reports
• 34:44
  Speaker 18: the News Limited Papers today that the government under mister
• 34:48
  Speaker 18: Burke's watch, has led in a person who has been
• 34:52
  Speaker 18: a supporter of Hamas and who's organized in Palestine events
• 34:57
  Speaker 18: with senior Hamas leaders, and somehow he comes to be here.
• 35:01
  Speaker 18: Mister Burke's basically hidden behind the advice of the Director
• 35:06
  Speaker 18: General of Security. You know if Peter Dutton were in charge.
• 35:08
  Speaker 18: When Peter Dutton was in charge, he would have taken
• 35:11
  Speaker 18: these things very seriously because he put first the security
• 35:15
  Speaker 18: of our country. He'd be calling in his departmental secretary,
• 35:17
  Speaker 18: he'd be calling in the Director General of Security and
• 35:21
  Speaker 18: saying to them, how can this person be here, and
• 35:23
  Speaker 18: let's make sure that they're gone as soon as possible.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: That's what Peter Berk should be doing.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got to be proactive, not waiting on the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: media or the coalition to bring these issues to their attention.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I want to go back to Parliament yesterday and get
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on what I thought was a dismal day
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: for the country, Labor and the Prime Minister. Look, each
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: side tries to blame the other, but I very clearly
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: see this as the Prime Minister's problem. He should have
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: sought a bipartisan motion so that the whole country could
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: stand together in commemorating the victims of October the seventh,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: But instead we're the opposite.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: A horrible divisive day.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: What we all thought on it and are there any
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: ongoing consequences?
• 36:04
  Speaker 18: Well, look, you're absolutely right, Chris. The Prime Minister should
• 36:07
  Speaker 18: have taken leadership with this issue from the start. It
• 36:10
  Speaker 18: was actually Peter Dutton that went to the Prime Minister
• 36:12
  Speaker 18: with the draft motion which acknowledged the significance and the
• 36:16
  Speaker 18: solemnity of the seventh of October as we remember that
• 36:19
  Speaker 18: dreadful terrorist attack that claimed more Jewish lives in a
• 36:22
  Speaker 18: single day than any day since the Holocaust. We remember
• 36:25
  Speaker 18: the barbarity, the rapes, the dismembering of bodies, the sort
• 36:29
  Speaker 18: of complete disregard for the humanity of the victims, and
• 36:33
  Speaker 18: the fact that there are still one hundred hostages remaining.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: That's what the day should have been about.
• 36:38
  Speaker 18: The Prime Minister came back with some alternative forms of words,
• 36:41
  Speaker 18: and then before an agreement had been reached, just went
• 36:44
  Speaker 18: into the House and presented a form of words that
• 36:48
  Speaker 18: our side of politics had very strongly communicated were just
• 36:52
  Speaker 18: not acceptable to us. And I think that this was
• 36:54
  Speaker 18: a terrible thing. If you want to achieve bipartisanship, and
• 36:57
  Speaker 18: I've done this across many different areas of public policy
• 37:00
  Speaker 18: with the other side, you look at the things you
• 37:03
  Speaker 18: can agree on and you leave out the things that
• 37:06
  Speaker 18: you can't agree on. That's what should have happened yesterday.
• 37:09
  Speaker 18: But this was the Prime Minister trying to play political
• 37:11
  Speaker 18: games with this issue, and I think that that's a
• 37:13
  Speaker 18: tragedy I think what we need in this country is
• 37:16
  Speaker 18: statesman like leadership that takes a moment to acknowledge this
• 37:20
  Speaker 18: dreadful terrorist attack, just like we did twelve months on
• 37:23
  Speaker 18: from September eleven, just like we did twelve months on from.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: The Barley bombings.
• 37:27
  Speaker 18: I thought it was a sad and regrettable day that
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  Speaker 18: we couldn't have a bipartisan motion. And then when Peter
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  Speaker 18: Dutton later in the afternoon put forward the motion that
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  Speaker 18: the Head originally put to the Prime Minister, they gaged
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  Speaker 18: debate and didn't allow us to put it. So I
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  Speaker 18: think all in all it was a diminished day for politics,
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  Speaker 18: but that's entirely at the feet of the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very disappointing you won't get that opportunity back again.
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  Speaker 1: Looking to the contemporary issues in.
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  Speaker 2: The Middle East, though, I want to show you what
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister said to Kieran Gilbert in an interview
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  Speaker 2: earlier today about Humas and the future have a look.
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  Speaker 9: The mask can play no role. But that's why when
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  Speaker 9: you speak about what a future state looks like, it
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  Speaker 9: looks like one which Israeli security can be assured, one
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  Speaker 9: where Palestinians have a right to live in peace and
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  Speaker 9: security as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this seems so problematic to me. Julian.
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  Speaker 2: He just doesn't understand the situation. He says hummus can
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  Speaker 2: have no role in the future, yet he seems to
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  Speaker 2: oppose every effort to eliminate humus.
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  Speaker 1: How will you get rid of them if you say
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  Speaker 1: they have no.
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  Speaker 2: Role in the future And talking about Palestinians living in
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  Speaker 2: a peaceful, secure environment, that's what they had in Gaza
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  Speaker 2: up until October the seventh.
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  Speaker 18: Well, that's right, and that's the tragedy of all of
• 38:52
  Speaker 18: these people have forgotten that in the Middle East, Israel
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  Speaker 18: was making a whole bunch of agreements with its neighbors.
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  Speaker 18: The abraham Accords a deal with Saudi Arabia in the offing,
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  Speaker 18: and it's because Hamas and Hesbella didn't like the idea
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  Speaker 18: that the Israelis would do a deal with the Saudis.
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  Speaker 1: The Iranians didn't like that.
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  Speaker 18: That's why they went ahead with these October seven terror attacks.
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  Speaker 18: And Labor is hostage to the far left here, it's
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  Speaker 18: hostage to some of its Western Sydney constituencies. And rather
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  Speaker 18: than actually taking a principal position based on our values,
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  Speaker 18: based on what has been the traditional position in Australian
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  Speaker 18: foreign policy on Israel Palestine, and that is that you
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  Speaker 18: can't proceed with a two state solution until such time
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  Speaker 18: as the Palestinian actors recognize Israel's right to exist, till
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  Speaker 18: they lay down the arms, and in the present context,
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  Speaker 18: till they've returned the hostages. And you can't have a
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  Speaker 18: future with organizations like Hamas and Hesbala. And that's why
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  Speaker 18: yesterday in the motions we oppose so strongly mentions of
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  Speaker 18: a ceasefire there, because all the ceasefire will do is
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  Speaker 18: just allow Hamas, Hesbalah and Iran to regroup and reform
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  Speaker 18: and make it actually harder for them to be eliminated,
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  Speaker 18: which is what we need to do in order to
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  Speaker 18: have for peace in Israel, peace in Palestine, and peace
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  Speaker 18: in Lebanon. And we need Iran to be no longer
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  Speaker 18: interfering in other countries and be the great disruptor that
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  Speaker 18: they have been right right across the world, and the
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  Speaker 18: great disruptor that they seem to be increasingly in this country,
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  Speaker 18: where we see the Iranian diaspora concerned about the Iranian
• 40:25
  Speaker 18: officials going to meetings, and we see those dreadful pro
• 40:28
  Speaker 18: hespala protests in our streets.
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  Speaker 1: It's so clear, it's so obvious.
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  Speaker 2: It just makes you wonder why our government either can't
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  Speaker 2: understand this or pretends not to.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, Julian. Thanks Chris.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's time to wrangle on the desky with me
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  Speaker 2: as Sky News hos Liz Storer and in Melbourne. Of course,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: we're joined as ever by columnists and broadcaster Justin Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks both for joining. I've got to get your thoughts
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: about this.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the Prime Minister yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: The idea that where have you got Tourett's or something
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: you know, you know, you see there, babble babble, bab order.
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  Speaker 7: I we draw, mister Speagher, I we drawn, We drawn,
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  Speaker 7: We join and apologize.
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  Speaker 1: He withdrew and apologized.
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  Speaker 2: Then he went back later Justin and made a big
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  Speaker 2: formal apology. Is this a lot of kerfuffle over nothing?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Can't we just go on? Well?
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  Speaker 11: I tell you, I tell you who knew it was wrong,
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  Speaker 11: which is Richard Miles. If you look at Richard in
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: the background, you the second that the comment was made.
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  Speaker 11: I think he was well and truly understanding of what
• 41:44
  Speaker 11: was having. Look, I'm not going to pretend to be
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: offended by it. There might be some that were, but
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  Speaker 11: he also apologized for it straight away, so I mean,
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: can we not you know, it's not like he tried
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  Speaker 11: to defend it down the track. So look, I'm with you.
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: It's a bit of the argie bargie inside the Parliament.
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  Speaker 11: But they've also stilled they've also got to be held
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  Speaker 11: to a higher standard.
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  Speaker 2: Is it just out of handles Can we say someone
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: is blind to some issue, or death to some issue,
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  Speaker 2: or well we just have to censor our language at
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  Speaker 2: every step.
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  Speaker 24: It's so out of hand. And look, the opposition should
• 42:16
  Speaker 24: have fired back that as a Prime minister with a
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  Speaker 24: speech impediment. It was glasshouses made glasshouses mate exactly.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And then today we've got Patricia.
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  Speaker 24: Carvellis on the ABC having to apologize for referring to
• 42:31
  Speaker 24: a piece of policy and schizophrenic. How is that not
• 42:35
  Speaker 24: a very relevant and applicable in terms of the policy
• 42:38
  Speaker 24: that they were talking about. Adjective for that kind of
• 42:42
  Speaker 24: speech reached an utterly ridiculous level. Everyone's playing the PC game.
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  Speaker 24: I think the more people who just say, oh, look,
• 42:52
  Speaker 24: I obviously wasn't mocking anyone. I didn't mean it that way.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Language.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's get to your neck of the wood,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Justin and talk about the lord mayoral contests where our
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: good maiden, loveable lefty the Nick Greece is running for
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Lord mayor. He wants to now give tax breaks so
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: companies can take.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Their staff or others to lunch in the city. I
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: bring back the long.
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  Speaker 2: Lunch at taxpayer's expense to re rejuvenate your city. It's
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: going nowhere right now, now, Chris, just before you go
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  Speaker 2: any further, you will have to explain to the kids
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: at home what a long lunch is.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: This goes.
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: Where they're going to be, because mate, I've got to
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: tell you, those were the days, weren't they. Hey, the
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: other tax deductible lunch fantastic. But let's get let's just
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: get this. Let's just get this into perspective here, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 11: bless Nick Reeves for throwing up this idea. What this
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: calls for is if he actually becomes the Lord mayor
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  Speaker 11: again when the election's done, he's then got to go
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: to the federal government and tell them to put this
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: into place for him. So the chances of this happening
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: until we're very good sport for us. Right now, the
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  Speaker 11: chances are bugger and all bugger.
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  Speaker 1: Nicholas.
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  Speaker 2: If anything happens, I want a long lunch, all right,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to choose where we go.
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: Just while we're on going to taxone exactly, do.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: The wrangle over lunch now, just while we're on nicholases.
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  Speaker 2: Just look at he's doing a lot on social media.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: He's he's quite the hip campaign.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I have a look at this.
• 44:25
  Speaker 22: Just sliding into your feed with the news that I'm
• 44:27
  Speaker 22: building twenty eight new parks in the city of Melbourne.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Just like this one gives your feed mate, give it
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: a rest.
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  Speaker 24: I'm just not one of those people who appreciates all
• 44:40
  Speaker 24: the cringe from politicians. A lot of them are doing
• 44:42
  Speaker 24: these cutesy things now, and I'm just like, I just
• 44:44
  Speaker 24: want to see a leader. Can you lead? Do you
• 44:46
  Speaker 24: have good policies? Can you deliver on your promises? Like
• 44:50
  Speaker 24: that you're literally running from fringe taxes, fringe benefits, tax reform,
• 44:56
  Speaker 24: which we all know is in the jurisdiction of the FEDS.
• 44:59
  Speaker 24: That's all I want to know. So this cutesy kind
• 45:02
  Speaker 24: of thing, I know, it's all the rage nowadays, but
• 45:05
  Speaker 24: I think the vast majority of people just want.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: To see a leader.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I think if we know that all the politicians are
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: going to slide down that particular slide, we'll just get
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: some oxy gear and we'll world up the buttomy.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Only we'll just leave him in there. Now. I want
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: to go to a story in South.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Australia down in the Robe I think it is down
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: in the wall Ranging and the Panola, and there's a
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: street name down there called Chinaman's Lane. They want to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: change the name. People find this offensive? Now, I know
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: not far from there on the Kurong there's a Chinaman's Well.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: It's quite historic actually.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Because Chinese people used to land in that part of
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the world to dodge the taxes in Victoria and walk
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: across to the gold fields at Ballarat and the like.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Justin do we have to get rid of a name
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  Speaker 2: like that? Is it offensive to have Chinaman in a name?
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  Speaker 20: No?
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  Speaker 11: Well, when to look when something like this comes up,
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: I think it's a always important to say, well, look
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: who is actually offended by it? Complaining about it? I mean,
• 46:05
  Speaker 11: if we honestly had Chinese Australians coming forward and saying,
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: look this really hurts us for these reasons, then I
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: think you have a look at it. But we've sort
• 46:15
  Speaker 11: of been down this track before where it's people getting
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: offended on other people's behalf.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: So I mean, if it's.
• 46:22
  Speaker 11: Just something somebody without at lock, I'm just guessing here,
• 46:25
  Speaker 11: but somebody with bugger all else to do, I decided
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: to complain about it, just a guess, just to guess,
• 46:32
  Speaker 11: but or you know, who is actually complaining, that's what
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: we need to look at. I don't find it offensive,
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: and I sort of struggled. I would think to find
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: someone who does.
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  Speaker 2: There was a story many many years ago in Adelaid
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: where they had to change the name of a lane
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: for something or other, and.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: They changed it to Lois love Its Lane.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Now let's go to American politics because there's a great interview.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: We're sixty minutes. Talked to both Kamala Harris and Tim Walls.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: First up, he is kam Oa Harris when she was
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: pressed on why illegal immigrants quadrupled after the Biden Harris
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: administration came in.
• 47:09
  Speaker 25: What I was asking was was it a mistake to
• 47:13
  Speaker 25: kind of allow that flood to happen in.
• 47:16
  Speaker 14: The first place.
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  Speaker 26: The policies that we have been proposing are about fixing
• 47:22
  Speaker 26: a problem, not promoting a problem.
• 47:24
  Speaker 25: Okay, but the numbers did quadruple.
• 47:27
  Speaker 26: And the numbers today because of what we have done,
• 47:30
  Speaker 26: we have cut the flow of illegal immigration by half.
• 47:35
  Speaker 26: Should we have done the dementanol by half?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: She was hopeless, wasn't she.
• 47:41
  Speaker 24: This is being hailed as the interview that has ended
• 47:44
  Speaker 24: all chances of her becoming the president of the United
• 47:47
  Speaker 24: States of America.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Which we all hope to be true.
• 47:50
  Speaker 24: Well, I'll speak for myself. You went home.
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: I'm sure you all hoped to be true.
• 47:55
  Speaker 24: We want that big dog energy back in the White
• 47:57
  Speaker 24: House because she did. She just failed all over herself.
• 48:01
  Speaker 24: And this is the first time we've seen her sit
• 48:03
  Speaker 24: down do a long form interview with a real journalist.
• 48:08
  Speaker 24: This guy was not softballing. I was very impressed by CBS.
• 48:12
  Speaker 24: This guy was not softballing. Whenever she gave the softball answer,
• 48:15
  Speaker 24: he would come back and I don't like that repeat
• 48:18
  Speaker 24: question that we just watched.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Sorry to be rude, I've got to cut you off that.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: If we're running out of time, I really want to
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: show this bit from Tim Walls as well, because it's
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: about trust and listen, to how much confidence he has
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: it himself.
• 48:31
  Speaker 25: In your debate with JD Vance, you said I'm a
• 48:34
  Speaker 25: knucklehead at times, and I think you were referring to
• 48:37
  Speaker 25: the time that you said that you were in Hong
• 48:41
  Speaker 25: Kong during the Ten and Men Square and rest when
• 48:43
  Speaker 25: you were not. Is that kind of misrepresentation? Isn't that
• 48:49
  Speaker 25: more than just being a knucklehead.
• 48:52
  Speaker 23: I think folks know who I am, and I think
• 48:53
  Speaker 23: they know the difference between someone expressing motion, telling a story,
• 48:58
  Speaker 23: getting a date wrong by a rather than a pathological
• 49:02
  Speaker 23: liar like Donald Trump.
• 49:03
  Speaker 25: But I think it comes down to the question of
• 49:07
  Speaker 25: whether whether you can be trusted to tell the truth. Yeah,
• 49:12
  Speaker 25: well I can't.
• 49:13
  Speaker 23: I think I can. I will own up to being
• 49:15
  Speaker 23: a knucklehead at times, but the folks closest to me
• 49:18
  Speaker 23: know that I keep my word.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I think I can be trusted. He doesn't even convince himself. Justin.
• 49:28
  Speaker 11: Look, I think they should be getting the tough questions.
• 49:31
  Speaker 11: I'm really pleased to say this. I think they should.
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: It's exactly how it works. I know we're short on
• 49:35
  Speaker 11: time here, but have we got time for some Trump clips?
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: And we'll keep.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Wrangling off air. Listen, Justin thanks very much. I gotta
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: get off. You're gonna have a commercial break now, then
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: after that, Peter Kreblin will be with you from six
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  Speaker 2: cheers