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Credlin | 30 September · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Pedo Krandlin live on skying's Australia Good Evening.
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  Speaker 2: Ready to quick kick off another week, Welcome the program.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming out tonight. Labour's federal vote falls to
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  Speaker 2: a new record low on New South Wales and the
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  Speaker 2: social state of Victoria as well. Now how much of
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  Speaker 2: this is coming across to the coalition, Well, not enough
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  Speaker 2: for a win just yet, it would seem. The breakdown
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  Speaker 2: from Newspoll coming up. The battle over the Albanezi government's
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  Speaker 2: contentious misinformation Bill ramps up, with the Coalition announcing over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend that in its current state they cannot and
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  Speaker 2: will not.
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  Speaker 3: Support the legislation.
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  Speaker 2: Despite this, the time for submissions closed today.
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  Speaker 3: After just one week.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's seeming hell bent on trying to ram it through
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  Speaker 2: the Parliament anyway. Plus more warnings of a serious fire
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  Speaker 2: hazard wind turbine risks from those in the know. Victorian
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  Speaker 2: CFA captain calling for an immediate order says we head
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  Speaker 2: into season, I mean concerns that protection regulations are not
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  Speaker 2: being enforced and socio cohesion again at a tipping point.
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  Speaker 2: Massive protests. Protests break out across Sydney and Melbourne, with
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  Speaker 2: some protests is even proudly waving the Hezeblah flag and
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  Speaker 2: holding portraits of the slain Hesbelah leader.
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  Speaker 4: I find it completely unacceptable that the government wouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: arresting people already or canceling visas of people who are
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  Speaker 4: glorifying hes Blah and Hamas and others. They have no
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  Speaker 4: place in our country. We're the greatest country in the
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  Speaker 4: world and we shouldn't be afraid to defend and protect it.
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  Speaker 2: But first, there's been many distressing protests on our streets lately,
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  Speaker 2: but almost nothing quite to match what happened on Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: large and rowdy demonstrations in Sydney and Melbourne, not with
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  Speaker 2: sympathy regarding Palestine, but many mourning are dead, terrorist boss,
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  Speaker 2: someone directly responsible for the slaughter of thousands Jews, Christians
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  Speaker 2: and Muslims. Here they are sheik You saw them there.
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  Speaker 2: Sheik Has and Israeli killed in a massive Israeli air strike.
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  Speaker 2: Was not an innocent civilian. He was the undisputed leader
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  Speaker 2: of a terrorist organization. He was killed in an air
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  Speaker 2: strike on the Hesbalai headquarters, where again those killed with
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  Speaker 2: him were not innocent civilians, but fellow leaders of a
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  Speaker 2: terrorist group designated as such under law here and in
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  Speaker 2: many countries around the world. Now it's one thing to
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  Speaker 2: argue that our government does as they do, that Israel
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  Speaker 2: should choose better ways to defend itself, or though I reckon,
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  Speaker 2: the Israelis get.
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  Speaker 3: Far more right than they get wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But it's completely unacceptable for Australians to go out into
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  Speaker 2: the street to commemorate the leader of a terror group
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  Speaker 2: or to venerate his death.
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  Speaker 3: For one thing, it's against.
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  Speaker 2: The law to display terrorist symbols such as the Hesbelah flag.
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  Speaker 3: For another.
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  Speaker 2: Hesbelah has been rating missiles down Israel for years, and
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  Speaker 2: countries under international law have an absolute right to self
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  Speaker 2: defense against those who've been proven to do them harm. Now, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: we've been far too soft on these who have routinely
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  Speaker 2: been disrupting our streets since the October seven atrocities. Nearly
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  Speaker 2: all these protests have had elements of anti Semitism, some
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  Speaker 2: have been pro terrorist. On that day of infamy October
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  Speaker 2: nine last year, the police took no action against the
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  Speaker 2: protesters on the fore court of the Sydney Opera House,
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  Speaker 2: the vast majority, almost all of them whom were chanting
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitic abuse and no action either against the hate
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  Speaker 2: preachers have been stirring up trouble ever.
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  Speaker 5: Since the invading Jews.
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  Speaker 6: We see but a long the day you will be
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  Speaker 6: kicked out of Palestinis.
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  Speaker 5: Coming.
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  Speaker 7: The trees will speak, the soul will speak, and I
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  Speaker 7: will say, believer, there is a Yahoode behind me, Come
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  Speaker 7: and kill him.
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  Speaker 8: Sufa Mini fatilahu Hia and nahum shaba Sam.
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  Speaker 2: But finally, it seems after the weekends events, these anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitic pro terrorist protests have gone too far, even for
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  Speaker 2: weak labor governments frightened of the Islamist vote in.
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  Speaker 3: Some of their own seats.
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  Speaker 2: From the Prime Minister down today, there have been warnings
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  Speaker 2: that it's illegal to support a listed terror group.
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  Speaker 9: We do not want people to bring radical ideologies and
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  Speaker 9: conflict here.
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  Speaker 10: It is utterly unacceptable. It is utterly unacceptable for anyone
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  Speaker 10: to be showing support for this prescribed terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 2: Victorian police say they're referred yesterday's protest to the Federal
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  Speaker 2: police for prosecution, and we've learned late this afternoon the
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  Speaker 2: Federal Police are expecting at least six reports.
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  Speaker 3: Of crime from Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Even Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, normally an apologist for
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  Speaker 2: anti Israel protests, has said that non citizens demonstrating in
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  Speaker 2: favor of a terrorist group risk having their visas canceled.
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  Speaker 2: Not will get their visas canceled, mind you, just that
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  Speaker 2: they run the risk of this happen. So we'll see
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  Speaker 2: what comes of this. My fear, though, based on past form,
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  Speaker 2: is that Labour is going to talk tough, but they
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  Speaker 2: won't support the talk with tough action. Still, even rhetorical
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  Speaker 2: condemnations better than the impotent handwringing, was seen mostly from governments,
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  Speaker 2: particularly the federal government thus far. Today, the Victorian premier
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  Speaker 2: even managed to condemn anti Semitism without also mentioning the
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  Speaker 2: false flag of Islamophobia in the same breadth.
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  Speaker 10: I want to say, particularly today to Victoria Melbourne and
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  Speaker 10: Victoria's Jewish community, that we stand with you at this
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  Speaker 10: incredibly difficult time, stand with you and reiterate that there
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  Speaker 10: is absolutely no place for anti Semitism in our community,
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  Speaker 10: absolutely no place.
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  Speaker 2: The latest Israeli strikes to wipe out most of the
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  Speaker 2: Hesbala leadership of an next escalation in Israel's increasingly effective
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  Speaker 2: war again and those pledged to its destruction. There were
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  Speaker 2: the surgically executed strikes against thousands of individual Hesbala operatives
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  Speaker 2: via the booby tripped pages.
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  Speaker 3: And the walkie talkies.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's been the precision bunker busting strikes against the
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  Speaker 2: senior leadership as well. Today there've been massive strikes against
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  Speaker 2: the Hooties in Yemen, who've not only been attacking shipping
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  Speaker 2: in the Red Sea but also launching missiles into Israel.
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  Speaker 2: These Israeli strikes, that should be said, have dwarfed the
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  Speaker 2: pinprick Anglo American air raids against the Hooties, because Israel
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  Speaker 2: is serious about defending itself in a way that almost
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  Speaker 2: no other Western nation these days is humas heads BLA
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  Speaker 2: and the Hooties. Of course, they are all proxies for Iran,
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  Speaker 2: Israel's sworn deadly enemy that's on the threshold of nuclear
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  Speaker 2: weapon capability. What the Israelis have done is send a
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  Speaker 2: clear message to the Aatolas that you can no longer
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  Speaker 2: attack Israel with impunity. You hit us, will hit you back,
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  Speaker 2: only much much harder. Frankly, the only way to deter
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  Speaker 2: deadly aggression is with massive shows of strength. Strength is
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  Speaker 2: the only language a bully understands. It's the only thing
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  Speaker 2: a dictator will respect as former sas officer Andrew Hasty
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  Speaker 2: often warns the Australian parliament, weakness.
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  Speaker 3: He says, is provocative.
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  Speaker 2: If there is to be peace in an increasingly dangerous world,
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  Speaker 2: it will only be because the West's challenges know there's
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  Speaker 2: no easy win and that an attack on freedom anywhere
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  Speaker 2: will be regarded as an attack on freedom everywhere. There's
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  Speaker 2: no end of the lessons here, lessons particularly that the
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  Speaker 2: Australian government needs to learn too and fast. It's now
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  Speaker 2: incumbent and all of us, we in the media in particular,
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  Speaker 2: to follow through these police referrals, to report what arrests,
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  Speaker 2: if any, are actually made after those protests yesterday. We
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  Speaker 2: need to keep our governments honest and police too, and
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  Speaker 2: then pursue the Prime Minister and Tony Burke as to
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  Speaker 2: those threaten visa cancelations, because this is a test for
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  Speaker 2: the Albanezy government. Are we a faired incamnation of the
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  Speaker 2: West defending the values of democracy or are we fast
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  Speaker 2: becoming under labor a safe haven for terrorist sympathizers. All right,
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  Speaker 2: we'll go to Cameron now for the headlines. Skyny's political reporter.
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  Speaker 11: Can Redden arriving back from China with a welcome budget boost.
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  Speaker 2: The first consecutive surpluses in almost two decades.
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  Speaker 11: Originally forecast to be nine point three billion dollars, the
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  Speaker 11: Treasurer's second surplus has grown to fifteen point eight billion
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  Speaker 11: in the final budget outcome.
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  Speaker 5: There is no p plan from this government to restore
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  Speaker 5: Australians standard of living.
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  Speaker 11: With more money in the bank. The Prime Minister tells
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  Speaker 11: his cabinet that households do need additional help.
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  Speaker 3: We know there's more work to do, and today we undertake.
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  Speaker 11: That the government is threatening to rip up the visas
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  Speaker 11: of protesters who showed support for HESBLA during a rally
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  Speaker 11: in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 9: We do not want people to bring radical ideologies and
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  Speaker 9: conflict here.
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  Speaker 10: It is utterly unacceptable for anyone to be showing support
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  Speaker 10: for this prescribed terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 11: The display of terror symbols is a crime under federal law.
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  Speaker 4: People who are glorifying Hezblah and Hamas and others they
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  Speaker 4: have no place in our country.
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  Speaker 11: The government's misinformation laws remain in limbo. They would attempt
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  Speaker 11: to stop the spread of lies on social media by
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  Speaker 11: empowering the watchdog AKMA to penalize tech giants.
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  Speaker 2: We want to hold the big tech platforms to account.
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  Speaker 11: Submissions on new laws closed today. Many stakeholders are unhappy
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  Speaker 11: with the timeline for input.
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  Speaker 3: The it's certainly not going to be helping our kids.
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  Speaker 2: All right, off to headline ticket across now, let's bring
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  Speaker 2: scyn you senior reporter Karen and Marcus from Sydney and
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  Speaker 2: the wonderful cam Reddit and who just brought you that package.
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  Speaker 2: Let's return, if we can please, to those disgraceful scenes
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  Speaker 2: on the streets of Melbourne and Sydney yesterday. Protest is
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  Speaker 2: displaying the Hesblah flag and holding up portraits of the
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  Speaker 2: slain Hesbala leader Hassan Nazarala. Cam demonstrations universally condemned, of
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  Speaker 2: course they are across the political spectrum. But we hear
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  Speaker 2: late this afternoon the AFP are waiting for referrals. They're
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  Speaker 2: told six referrals from the Victoria Police.
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  Speaker 3: This has got to come to something.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, these charges haven't been laid yet, Peter, but the
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  Speaker 11: AFP is now expecting half a dozen cases to be
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  Speaker 11: put to Victoria Police and then potentially charges to be laid.
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  Speaker 11: Of course, the display of this sort of material is
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  Speaker 11: now a crime that's in law, So this is something
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  Speaker 11: Victoria Police will now be going through forensically. We know
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  Speaker 11: that part of this review process involves looking at news
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  Speaker 11: footage and other things to try and identify people. I
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  Speaker 11: got to say, I was in Melbourne over the weekend
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  Speaker 11: and I saw part of this yesterday. I do really
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  Speaker 11: sympathize for police because often they're outnumbered at events like this.
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  Speaker 11: They don't seem to be getting smaller in size. There
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  Speaker 11: are many combustible elements to it as well, so now
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  Speaker 11: this seems to be action being taken after the fact.
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  Speaker 11: They've got all the footage and can kind of wait
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  Speaker 11: until things die down at the moment the political reaction
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  Speaker 11: you point to today, Peter, we've heard Peter Dutton say
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  Speaker 11: that people who show this kind of support do not
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  Speaker 11: belong in Australia. The government has sort of talked about
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  Speaker 11: this idea of canceling visas. Of course you have to
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  Speaker 11: be on a visa for that to be canceled, so
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  Speaker 11: that might be another complication down the track. But the broader,
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  Speaker 11: I guess, the bigger these things get, the more complicated
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  Speaker 11: and deteriorating the situation becomes. In the Middle East. It's
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  Speaker 11: going to be a real task for government's, state, federal,
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  Speaker 11: but also for law enforcement to keep these on track because,
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  Speaker 11: as you outlined before, there are so many combustible elements
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  Speaker 11: at these sorts of protests.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're not wrong, and I know you're reporting what
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  Speaker 2: the police line is and you quite properly are doing that.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean I go back two years living in
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  Speaker 2: Melbourn Dury lockdowns and seeing the police reaction to lockdown
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  Speaker 2: protesters and the show of force they were able to
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  Speaker 2: muscle up on the streets back then. And I go
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  Speaker 2: to you on this point, Caroline. I mean, it's only
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  Speaker 2: one side of this debate between Israel and the pro
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian lobby. It's only one side that's bringing out these
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  Speaker 2: symbols of Hummus and hesblah list of terrorist organization. And
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  Speaker 2: I've got to say, you know, how does the Jewish
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  Speaker 2: community at Caroline in Sydney and Melbourne feel when you
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  Speaker 2: see a Heze Balah flag on the streets of our
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  Speaker 2: capital cities and necessary cities like city in Melbourne, but
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  Speaker 2: also the imagery the.
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  Speaker 3: Veneration of a slain terror leader and.
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  Speaker 12: These people being allowed to continue. You on after so
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  Speaker 12: openly glorifying this nasra La, this evil terrorist monster. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: the reaction from the Jewish communities is one of fear discussed,
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  Speaker 12: just absolute terror, because it's not only the fact that
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  Speaker 12: these people are honoring these terrorists, but the fact that
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  Speaker 12: they seem to be allowed to so openly do so
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  Speaker 12: and nothing seems to happen to them. I know that
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  Speaker 12: there are reports within the last hour that six reports
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  Speaker 12: have been referred to the AFP, But in every other
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  Speaker 12: case that I have personally reported on for Sky News
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  Speaker 12: in which terror that her Maas in particular has been
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  Speaker 12: glorified or celebrated, whether that is through hate preachers, through
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  Speaker 12: mosques celebrating hes blood fighters who have died, through a
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  Speaker 12: family and a baker celebrating a four year old's birthday
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  Speaker 12: party with a mass themed cake, whether it was a
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  Speaker 12: person who turned up wearing an October seven football jersey
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  Speaker 12: with a Palestinian flag to a tourist destination. All of
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  Speaker 12: these cases were referred to the AFP and nothing was
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  Speaker 12: done about these people. So I don't have much confidence
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  Speaker 12: that that's going to change now. And Tony Burke may
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  Speaker 12: talk tough about visas that he's going to consider canceling
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  Speaker 12: or revoking now.
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  Speaker 3: But talk is cheap.
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  Speaker 12: You know what has the government actually done in the
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  Speaker 12: last chores twelve months. Nothing, and that's only emboldened these
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  Speaker 12: extremists to continue like this week after week.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 2: We'll come back to this issue with Dante and the
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  Speaker 2: Immigration shadow minister coming out, But let's go to news poll.
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  Speaker 2: Latest analysis shows that Labor continues to lose support in
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  Speaker 2: two of our most populous states, New South Wales and Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Victoria is a surprise given how hard left it is,
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  Speaker 2: but they're falling there. New South Wales Labour's primary votes
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  Speaker 2: down three points to just thirty Now, let's put that
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  Speaker 2: into perspective. At the end of the Guillard Rudd sorry
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  Speaker 2: that Guillard Rudd Era Rudd was in just before the
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen election. He was thrown out with thirty three
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  Speaker 2: percent on our primary votes. It's even worse than that
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria. As I said, socialist state, Labour's primary is
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  Speaker 2: down there two percent.
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  Speaker 3: It's thirty one percent across the board.
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  Speaker 2: Labor's trailing the coalition everywhere but South Australia there too,
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  Speaker 2: though the margin's pretty thin. Cam I've got to say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've been working on election campaigns in the past.
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  Speaker 2: You keep thinking when you're in trouble things are going
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  Speaker 2: to turn around. You keep pushing out the boat. You know,
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  Speaker 2: in this case, perhaps even talking about going as late
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  Speaker 2: as May. That's if you think they're going to go up.
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  Speaker 2: But of course, if you're in labor, you know things
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  Speaker 2: have been getting worse and worse and worse every month.
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  Speaker 2: There's got to be a conversation internally. It says, just
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  Speaker 2: do we go now before it even gets worse, rather
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  Speaker 2: than go long hoping it will turn around.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, where do you buite the bullet? That's the question,
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  Speaker 11: I guess, Peter. There's still a narrow window to get
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  Speaker 11: one done in December of this year. There doesn't seem
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  Speaker 11: to be any good option. Maybe it's just a matter
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  Speaker 11: of the least worst option and hoping that if there's
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  Speaker 11: not going to be a rate cut this year, that
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  Speaker 11: then maybe there'll be one next year, possibly two next year,
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  Speaker 11: and that that might turn things around. But the government
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  Speaker 11: seems to be looking for answers a little bit at
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  Speaker 11: the moment and isn't really quite sure where to land.
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  Speaker 11: We had the Prime Minister telling Cabinet today that he
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  Speaker 11: thinks there's still more to do on cost of living.
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  Speaker 11: How do you give more support without potentially adding to inflation.
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  Speaker 11: There's a challenge there. Spending this close to an election
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  Speaker 11: might look like you're trying to get people on side.
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  Speaker 5: As well.
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  Speaker 11: There's other complications like the negative gearing kite, which is
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  Speaker 11: still kind of circling over everybody's head. No one can
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  Speaker 11: really decide whether they're looking at this seriously or if
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  Speaker 11: it's just a thought bubble. They really seem to be
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  Speaker 11: clutching at a few straws at the moment, And maybe
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  Speaker 11: that late into the year is just a reason to think, oh,
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  Speaker 11: let's just everyone have a breakover summer and come back
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  Speaker 11: in the new year because these numbers aren't good. Peter,
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  Speaker 11: I'm not sure one rate cut is going to turn
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  Speaker 11: everything around as a silver bullet. But maybe it's a
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  Speaker 11: little bit of living hope and see test the waters
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  Speaker 11: in February March. Maybe people are in better spirits and
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  Speaker 11: try again there, because you're right, nothing's really breaking the
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  Speaker 11: circuit at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, with the campaigner and me knows it.
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  Speaker 2: Come February, what do you get you get your Christmas
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  Speaker 2: card credit bills.
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  Speaker 3: So February is not a good month to.
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  Speaker 2: Have an election because if you're you know, you're struggling
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  Speaker 2: to make ends meet, as people are. Now, you put
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  Speaker 2: it all on the card, get through Christmas, come out
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  Speaker 2: the other side, you're only going to be crankier. Just
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  Speaker 2: make the point too, because people might have missed this.
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  Speaker 2: Late on Friday, the Treasurer after he and the Prime Minister, saying, gee,
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  Speaker 2: Treasury costs this stuff all the time, nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with us. He may be admission the admission in China,
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  Speaker 2: but he was the one who asked Treasury to model
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  Speaker 2: up negative gearing. Let's go to misinformation, Carol. The Lips
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  Speaker 2: came out over the weekend saying they cannot support it.
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  Speaker 2: They'll formally oppose it now. I rarely see legislation this
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  Speaker 2: complex only allow submissions for one week.
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  Speaker 3: That's what's happened.
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  Speaker 2: It's closed today, and I think this is a fundamental
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  Speaker 2: challenge to free speech. So I can't believe the government's
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  Speaker 2: pushing on to ram it through anyway.
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  Speaker 12: Maybe they can see how bad it actually is that
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  Speaker 12: they have to give people just a week. Otherwise people
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  Speaker 12: really see it for what it is, which is an
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  Speaker 12: absolutely dangerous piece of legislation by all takes on this, Peter,
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  Speaker 12: I mean, who decides what defines misinformation. We've seen how
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  Speaker 12: that term has been abused, has been weaponized against everyday
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  Speaker 12: Australians when it comes to things like the pandemic, where
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  Speaker 12: people theories or people's thoughts on what was happening and
• 20:04
  Speaker 12: their responses to the lockdowns and the extreme restrictions were
• 20:08
  Speaker 12: being dismissed as conspiracy theories, as misinformation, when as more
• 20:14
  Speaker 12: evidence emerged they turned out to be true or most
• 20:17
  Speaker 12: likely true. We saw it happen again with the Voice referendum,
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: where things that weren't conducive to winning the Voice Yes
• 20:28
  Speaker 12: debate were also brushed off as misinformation when it didn't
• 20:33
  Speaker 12: suit the campaigner's interests, like the time that you revealed
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: that the Ulari's statement from the heart was more than
• 20:41
  Speaker 12: a heck of a lot longer than one page, and
• 20:44
  Speaker 12: Facebook or social media network which would be covered under
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: this misinformation bill whacked a fact check a role of
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: fact check on it. I mean, what a misnom of
• 20:54
  Speaker 12: that fact checkunit turned out to be. So I don't
• 20:58
  Speaker 12: trust a misinformation bill where whoever the Communications Minister at
• 21:02
  Speaker 12: the time is able to say that something that they
• 21:06
  Speaker 12: don't agree with should be censored online because ultimately that's
• 21:10
  Speaker 12: going to impact what any of us can say.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's extraordinary too, Calin. I'll stay with you
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: if I can. The ABC has brought back someone who's
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: been with the business for over two decades, former editorial chief,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to do their inquiry into the docted audio, rather than
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a truly independent former judge or someone of that ILK. Now,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: this is poatry, gamekeeper stuff.
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: This is far too important to leave to someone who
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: worked for the ABC for most of his career, six
• 21:47
  Speaker 12: years of that as an editorial director there. But not
• 21:50
  Speaker 12: only does he have that long stint of time at
• 21:54
  Speaker 12: the ABC and as completely would be completely ingred in
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: their culture. He most recently to look at some of
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: his most recent commentary Peter. Only earlier this year, he
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: wrote after the ABC's chief political correspondent Laura Tingle described
• 22:11
  Speaker 12: Australia as a racist country and said that Peter Dutton's
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: migration policies would lead migrants to getting abused at open
• 22:19
  Speaker 12: house inspections, he wrote a piece in defense of her.
• 22:23
  Speaker 12: He celebrated her as one of the best journalists at
• 22:26
  Speaker 12: the network and celebrated the work of all the other
• 22:29
  Speaker 12: top journalists there, and he wrote another piece for the
• 22:32
  Speaker 12: ABC Alumni publication called It's time to kill the myth
• 22:37
  Speaker 12: of balance, and that was an argument against giving balance
• 22:41
  Speaker 12: coverage to both sides of the Voice referendum. So what
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: confidence can we have that he's going to approach this
• 22:48
  Speaker 12: really important issue of audio appearing to have been docted,
• 22:53
  Speaker 12: of six gunshots being added to audio of Australian troops
• 22:58
  Speaker 12: in Afghanistan, and which that with complete objectivity and impartiality.
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: Because I personally do not have much confidence I know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: he says. Mister Sunderland says, I can be impartial, I
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: can be independent.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Well, of course he would say that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: I don't think even the perception of a lack of
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: independence is a good thing when it comes to this
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: kind of review.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: You are not wrong.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, thank you both of your time,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: or a quick breakdown.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Teen after the break we're going.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: To get into the whole issue of those protests and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: now what will actually be done about what we saw
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: on the streets of Australia. Plus two will have a
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: look at the fire risk associated more and more with
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: wind turbines one Victorian see if a fire chief speaks out.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: We'll also talk to one of the world's most foremost historians,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the wonderful Sir Nil Ferguson coming out, Welcome back, Steal
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the came renowned, brilliant author and historian Neil Ferguson and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: will join me.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about the Middle.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: East, we'll talk about Western Coesia, and we'll talk about
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Ukraine and the US election. But let's go straight into
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the events of the weekend. Let's bring in its shadow
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Immigration Minister Dan Tien. Dan, thank you for your time.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Tony Burk's come out and said he's going to look
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: very closely at any visa holder who incites what he
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: calls discord in Australia. Looking at the events of yesterday
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne and Sydney, this is a government it can't
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: even kick.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Out foreign criminals.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Do we hold much hope they're actually going to do
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: anything about these terrorist sympathizers.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: I know we don't, Peter.
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: This has been a failure of leadership from the Prime
• 24:48
  Speaker 13: Minister from the word go, the way this issue has
• 24:52
  Speaker 13: been dealt with over the last nearly twelve months, and
• 24:56
  Speaker 13: the fact that we have Tony Burke out now now
• 25:00
  Speaker 13: in these words, provides no comfort whatsoever. What we need
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: to see is action and real action. We need to
• 25:10
  Speaker 13: see the Prime Minister saying to the Australian Federal Police,
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: we need you to look at this, We need you
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: to look at it forensically, and we want to make
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: sure that those who have been out there, out there
• 25:23
  Speaker 13: flying the symbols of a terrorist organization making anti Semitic
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: chance will be held accountable. And unless we see that
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: type of leadership from the Prime Minister now, then sadly
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: we're going to see more of this, I think because
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: this has been a vacuum which has been filled by
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: those who do want to preach hate in this country,
• 25:50
  Speaker 13: and the Prime Minister all along has sought equivalents without
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: calling out what these terrorist organizations have been up to
• 26:01
  Speaker 13: and doing to Israel for years now. And so I
• 26:07
  Speaker 13: sadly I don't hold out much hope because until the
• 26:10
  Speaker 13: Prime Minister shows leadership, I sadly think this is going
• 26:14
  Speaker 13: to continue.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Dan these protests is a hot heighlying plane site. Though
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I mean I live close to the CBD. They protest
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: every single Sunday. You would think after the assassination of
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the Hesibala leader, there might be more activity that next
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: immediate Sunday, which there was. Why aren't the police grabbing
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the person holding the flag and immediately arresting them.
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: Well, I think it's because they're not getting the leadership
• 26:48
  Speaker 13: at the political level that is needed. We're not seeing
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: the leadership from the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister, the
• 26:54
  Speaker 13: immigration minister. We're not seeing the leadership from the premiers,
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: particularly in Victoria that is needed to give the clear
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: message that action needs to be taken. And that is
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: the real problem here. And the equivalence that has been
• 27:11
  Speaker 13: sought right throughout the last twelve months I think has
• 27:15
  Speaker 13: sent a message where those extremists, those people who believe
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: that those listed terrorist organizations have a right to act,
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: they have felt emboldened and that has been the problem.
• 27:30
  Speaker 13: And we need to see real leadership from our prime minister.
• 27:36
  Speaker 13: That's how you will put a stop to this. That's
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: how you will get the police taking action. But if
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: the Prime Minister still fails to lead, then the police,
• 27:46
  Speaker 13: i'm afraid, will probably not act as strongly as they
• 27:51
  Speaker 13: should and we really need the Prime Minister to finally
• 27:55
  Speaker 13: step up.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: You've got to all this fee to the fire, though.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've got to pursue him in the Parliament
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: on this stuff. You've got the ABC slammed for its
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: coverage of the protests yesterday that they didn't mention the
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: fact that there were people in the crowd supporting nazraue
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Lara and holding up the Hesbalah flags. That wasn't put
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: out by a public broadcaster. We've got weak words from
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister today, finger wagging shore but this has
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: been going on for twelve months. We're about to hit
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the anniversary of October seven. I've spoken to Jewish Australians.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: They want to have vigils to commemorate the dead. They're
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: worried about them being hijacked by the pro Palestinian, anti
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Semitic sort of crowd. I mean, surely the PM's got
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: to really step up here.
• 28:42
  Speaker 13: He does, he does, and I'm sure that we will
• 28:45
  Speaker 13: be holding into account in the Parliament again because as
• 28:49
  Speaker 13: you know, over the whole fiasco regarding the issuing of
• 28:53
  Speaker 13: Palestinians coming out of Gaza, another terrorist controlled zone where
• 29:00
  Speaker 13: they were issued tourist visas, we held the Prime Minister
• 29:05
  Speaker 13: or count on that and we will on this. I mean,
• 29:07
  Speaker 13: social coesion is failing in our country before our eyes
• 29:13
  Speaker 13: and I know for many the majority of Australians, it
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: is sad to watch. It is so sad to watch,
• 29:20
  Speaker 13: and we will hold the Prime Minister to or count
• 29:23
  Speaker 13: on this, and we have been.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: There's about fifteen thousand Australians with Lebanese citizenship in Lebanon
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: right now. They've been told for months and months and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: months get out on commercial flights. Convince me that the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Australian taxpayer is now should.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Be on the hook to repatriate them home.
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: Well, I think our Shadow Foreign Minister Simon Birmingham made
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: it very clear that they've had their opportunity and now
• 29:55
  Speaker 13: they should be seriously looking if they want to get
• 29:57
  Speaker 13: out at the commercial flights that are available to them.
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: Because there's been mornings from both the opposition and for
• 30:05
  Speaker 13: the government now for many months of this potentiality and
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: then to wait to the very last minute, rather than
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: acting when the government and when the Opposition in a
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: bipartisan ways say now is the time to get out,
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: I think a majority of Australians will be thinking, well,
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: you had your chance, you had your opportunity.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Dantem, thank you. I just make mention of that last point.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: The secretary of the Liberties Wuslim Association in Australia has
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: asked how the government expects to get them out? How
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the government does that's you and he says, and I quote,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: we're sick of this, sick to death, this double talk
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and political rehtoric about people coming back from living.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: On Well, let's go a change of pace.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Another very important issue, the Victorian government facing calls to
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: order the state's two and a half thousand wind turbines,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: have a real fear is they could be missing important
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: file safety equipment. The Herald Sun yesterday reported that Victoria's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Energy Safety regulator doesn't have any record whatsoever of whether
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the turbines are fitted.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: With critical safety systems.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Energy Safety Victoria's launched an investigation back in June after
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: a turbine in Portland court fire. Even the local fieries
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: say it's posing a massive problem. Do you want to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: be now to discuss this, Victoria's Shadow Emergency Services Minister
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Richard Reiden. Welcome to the program, Richard. I think there's
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: two things at play here. There's fire suppression systems. I
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: think most people assumed we're in place. We're now told
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: that's a gray area, but very unlikely they are in place.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: But also the capacity of the fire brigade, who can't
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: use aerial bombardments around these towers. Given no state in
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the country has lost as many lives to bushfires as Victoria.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: How angry are you at this regulatory failure, Peter?
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: This is a complete and out of disgrace and a
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: complete abandonment of proper regulation. Eighty percent of all deaths,
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: of all property losses stem from traditionally electrical fires. So
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: that's our power transmission or distribution system failing. We know
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: it's a massive problem. We've now introduced some fifteen hundred
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: fifteen hundred wind turbines into the system, with another nine
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: hundred planned overcoming years. This is a huge potential for
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: fire risks when these things catch on fire. They're hubs
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: at the top of the wind turbines. They are full
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: of boiling oil, fiberglass, other materials.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: At two one hundred.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: Meters into the air feed On a screening forty degree
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: day in February, these will shoot molten bits of fiberglass
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: boiling oil over a huge radius many kilometers, potentially we
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: don't even know how far they could go. And keeping
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: in mind Peter, these wind turbines, because of the way
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: we've laid them out, are in the world's most fire
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: prone glass plane from one end of Western Victoria to
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: the other. It's a huge risk. And to think that
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: the government solution is the government solution is that we
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: just let them burn out, Well, I can tell you
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: now my communities in Western Victoria do not want to
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: see a towering inferno burn for days in the middle
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: of a forty degree dry, hot Australian summer.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You even had the CFA and they rarely break ranks
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: with government. They're aut publicly yesterday Captain John Martin said
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: in the Herald Sun. Whichever way you look at it,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: he says, these things present problems for us with the CFA.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: They are volunteer fibrigades. As we know, they've had a
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: lot of argument in recent years about lack of resourcing.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: But how on earth do they fighter fire that's on
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: top of the turbine when they cannot use, as a say,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: aerial bombardments. A lot of the areas where they are,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: it's undulating countries very inaccessible.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: That's the problem too.
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: Isn't it absolutely, Peter. These wind turbines more often than
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: not are either in what we call the volcanic planes
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: in barrier country, so farmers have been more than happy
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: to have them on what is otherwise less productive land.
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: So unlike the pretty pictures where you see tracks made
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: to the towers enable to enable them to be constructed
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: and maintained, the fires, of course, would be shooting out
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: into country that is completely inaccessible. Now take for example,
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: the Mount jellybrand turbine setup. That's only you know, on
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: our forty degree day, howling north wind, you're talking literally
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: half an hour and a fire would be into the
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: otways along the grad Ocean Road. It's a huge potential
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: for disaster. The solution is simple. These things can all
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: be fitted with fires suppression units inside the hub at
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: the top. Now that's a technology. It's expensive, it's more expensive,
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: and it's not standard practice. Imagine any other industry, Peter,
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: any other industry being able to build a billion dollar
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: investment that could cause harm and danger to its neighbors
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: not having the fire suppression and firefighting equipment as standard installation,
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: and to tell volunteer CFA firefighters that they can just
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: deal with it on the ground is just insane. There
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: wouldn't be enough trucks to keep hurling around the perimeter
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: of a burning two hundred meter tower that's sending molten oil,
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: molten fiberglass and shrapnel for kilometers. It's just an impractical solution.
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: And they also tell us because they're in the midst
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: of a wind farm, the ability to bring in aerial
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: support is much diminished. The government must immediately ordit the
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: risk that's involved and let communities know if they're at
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: risk and that fire suppression equipment doesn't.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Exist, and halt further rollouts.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: As we know most of these wind farms at the
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: moment at least of foreign owned operators, which are read in.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Congratulations to you for highlight on this issue. It doesn't
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: just apply to Victoria, as we know, it's right around
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the country. Thank you for your time. Right after break,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: historian the brilliant Sir Neil Ferguson joins me, let me
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: talk about a whole lot of things, including the West,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the US elections, Ukraine and more BLUs. The Yes camp
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: still blaming everyone else but themselves, so that big loss.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: On a voice last year. More on that later.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Welcome back still the coome Chris Bowen and quick to
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: rule out a ban on Chinese made evs to spite
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: more and more security experts speaking out and that genuine
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: concern in the US Congress. But first, my next guest
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: is one of the world's leading historians whose works helped
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: shape current geopolitical and economic advents and put them within
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: their broader historical context. Given everything that's going on in
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the world at the moment, this is needed now more
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: than ever. He's published over sixteen books, along with serving
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: as a senior fellow at several universities and institutions. He'll
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: also been Australia next month.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: He'll speak of the.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Annual or he'll give, for your pardon, the annual Robert
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Menzi's Institute a ration and join them for the dinner.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I'm on the board there. I'll declare that right now,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: looking forward to his company. But I'm pleased he's joining
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: us now. Snela Fergus and welcome to the program. Thank
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: you for your to time. I get I've got to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: get your reaction to the assassination over the weekend of
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the Hesbalad chief Hassen Nasrallah. It's already a tinderbox in
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the region. What do you think this means in a
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: short to medium term, Well.
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: I'm rather reminded of that scene in The Godfather when
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: Al Pacino is having his child christened and.
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: All his enemies are meanwhile being taken out. Bibi Natan Yahoo,
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: the Israeli Prime Minister, has shown himself to be a
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: Michael Corleone like figure. Even as he was delivering his
• 38:05
  Speaker 14: speech to the United Nations General Assembly, he knew that
• 38:10
  Speaker 14: the Israeli Air Force was on its way to take
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: out in Israela with pinpoint accurate airstrike in Beirut. And
• 38:19
  Speaker 14: this is just one of a succession of Hesbela commanders
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: that the Israelis have managed to assassinate in the last
• 38:27
  Speaker 14: couple of weeks. It's a remarkable achievement, coming on top of,
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: of course, the great act of sabotage that killed or
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: wounded so many Hesbela.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Operatives when their pager has exploded. So, just as we.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Approached the anniversary of the appalling events of October seventh
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: last year, we're seeing Israel striking back in a way
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: that can only chill the blood, not only of Hesbela
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: supporters and hamas supporters, but also of course of the
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: Iranian government that sponsors all these terrorist organizations.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: One of the things you are always reminded of history
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: is everything has happened before, in a sense, at least
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: in the broad thematics help us understand as we get
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: towards the October seven anniversary, how on earth did the
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: West get in the situation where particularly our young people
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: are embracing these terrorist ideologies. They're marching in the street
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: we saw in Australia. I don't know if you're caught
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: up over the weekend people marching with the Hesbalah flag
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and idolizing Israeli with photographs that you'd see in these
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: processions on a Middle Eastern street occurring in Australia. What's
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: happening with our young people in particular.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: And it's not only in Australia.
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: We've seen in American campuses demonstrations and support not just
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: to the Palestinians but of terrorist organizations such as Hamas.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: I think it's partly that universities have been teaching an
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: extraordinary skewed, ideological, leftist account of history. In this account,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: Israel is engaged in quote settler colonialism and is somehow
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: the heir of Western imperialism, which is of course completely
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: at odds with reality, since the state of Israel was
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: founded in opposition to the British Empire as a result
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: of a campaign of disobedience and indeed of terrorism against
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: the British forces in the Mandate of Palestine.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: So young people are just poorly educated. They forget that.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: Almost exactly fifty years ago there was another surprise attack
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: on Israel. That was, of course, the Yom Kapur War
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: of October nineteen seventy three, and then, as now, Israel
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: struck back. The real story of Israel is that of
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: an independent state founded to give the Jewish people a
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  Speaker 6: nation and state, and it has spent its entire history
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  Speaker 6: fighting was to defend itself against hostile neighbors. That's the
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  Speaker 6: real history that unfortunately too many young people in the
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  Speaker 6: Western world, in the English speaking world, seem unaware of.
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  Speaker 2: Has the fight in the Middle East distracted us? Do
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  Speaker 2: you think from the fight against Russia and Ukraine?
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  Speaker 5: I think, to some extent, Peta, it has.
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  Speaker 6: I remember that just immediately after the October seventh attacks
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  Speaker 6: last year, a great media Russia occurred from Kiev. The
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  Speaker 6: Ukrainian capital to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and media attention
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  Speaker 6: towards the Ukraine crisis diminished speedily thereafter. In reality, of course,
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  Speaker 6: the war in Ukraine has only escalated. Russia has increased
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  Speaker 6: its farpower and its manpar Kraine is struggling to keep pace.
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  Speaker 6: Not only that, but Russia is able to call in
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  Speaker 6: support from China, from Iran and from North Korea, and
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  Speaker 6: their support is allowing Russia greatly to increase its fiparwer. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 6: Ukraine's Western allies are not matching this axis of evil,
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  Speaker 6: if you will.
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  Speaker 5: On anything like the same scale.
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  Speaker 6: So the reality is that Ukraine is slowly and painfully
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  Speaker 6: losing this war. That is an impression I brought back
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  Speaker 6: from a trip to Kiev just two weeks ago, and
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  Speaker 6: it frustrates me intensely that people in Washington, d C,
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  Speaker 6: in London, in Paris and Brussels, and aboveble perhaps in Berlin,
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  Speaker 6: doesn't seem aware that if we carry on down our
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  Speaker 6: present trajectory, we're going to be confronted with the disaster
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  Speaker 6: in Ukraine where Russia will actually grind out through brutal
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  Speaker 6: attrition a victory.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the US election, because I watch your
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  Speaker 2: Twitter feed you refer to the Harris campaign as being vacuous.
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  Speaker 2: I watched that Oprah interview. Hard to agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: Disagree with that point. So much of the pitch is
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  Speaker 2: about who she is, or at least a curated image
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  Speaker 2: of who she is. You know, first black woman or
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: first woman of color, daughter of immigrants, you know that
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  Speaker 2: middle class upbringing that she bangs on about, you know
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  Speaker 2: ongoes the list.
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  Speaker 3: Is that going to be enough? Given we're so close
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  Speaker 3: to polling day.
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  Speaker 2: And some states have already started their ballots moving, will
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: that be enough to get her over the line or
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: do you think Americans are growing tired of identity politics?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I would say that this election is still far
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  Speaker 6: too close to cole.
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  Speaker 5: It's a coin toss.
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  Speaker 6: It's going to come down, I think, to the decisions
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  Speaker 6: of a relatively small number of voters in a small
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: number of counties and the small number of states.
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  Speaker 5: Focus on Pennslvania.
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  Speaker 6: Look at some of those counties that flipped from Trump
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  Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen to Biden in twenty twenty. I don't
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  Speaker 6: think that the people in those counties, often rust belt towns,
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: are as particularly enamored of Kamala Harris's message in the summer.
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  Speaker 6: I likened it to Barbie versus Oppenheimer, because the Kamala
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: Harris campaign.
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  Speaker 5: Was a sort of Barbie movie of vibes and joy.
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump, meanwhile, was giving extremely doom laden interviews to
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: Elon Musk and others about the danger of World War three.
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  Speaker 5: But my sense is that joy and.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: Vibes are not really the name of the game in
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: the critical battleground states and counties. And I still don't
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  Speaker 6: think that Kamala Harris has made a success of persuading
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  Speaker 6: American voters in those swing states that she stands for
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  Speaker 6: something other than getting to the top of the greasy pole.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Our positions on almost.
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  Speaker 6: Every issue have flipped over the last few years, and
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  Speaker 6: I think many Americans suspect that she's not much more
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: than a political opportunist. They know Donald Trump and they
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: know his flaws. They know them because they hear about
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: them every other day from the mainstream media. But if
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: you put a gun against my head, which I hope
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: you won't, and ask me to make a prediction, I
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: would say that Donald Trump is going to surprise the
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: elites as he did in twenty sixteen and as he
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: only failed to do in twenty twenty.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Because of the huge disruption caused by the COVID pandemic.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Oliver there, I look for to your company very soon
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: here in Australia. Neil Ferguson, thank you for your time.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: He's a wonderful bloke, very smart man as you know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: but he's also the husband and a brilliant big fangirl
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: moment for me. Iron Hersey Arlie a very brave, brave woman.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: All right after the break grow concern from the Energy
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Market Operator the rooftop SOLA will destabilize.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: The greed now a lot of time.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Let's bring them in my Panoscar News contributor former Howard
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: government minister Gary Hargrave for the wonderful MP Keith Pitt.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: We've got concerns Keith from Energy Australia. First of all,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: there'll be a big drop in it the money pay
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: for people putting power back in the grid. From October one,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: it'll go from seven point six to killer what hour
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  Speaker 2: cents to five. Elsewhere it will go from highs of
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: sixteen cents a killer what hours to something like five cents.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: And the Energy Market Operator is warning that solar supplies
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: from Victoria are going to destabilize the grid and that
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: some solar rooftop systems may need to be switched off
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: after say, this is a rubber hitting the road.
• 46:39
  Speaker 15: Is that, Peter, It's not good. They are it is.
• 46:45
  Speaker 15: This is already happening.
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  Speaker 9: They're already turning off massive amounts of solar installations because
• 46:50
  Speaker 9: the network doesn't need it. And when you design an
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: electrical system to generate weather dependently, so when the weather
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: says you can maximize your delivery, well guess what when
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: you don't need it in the middle of the day,
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: when no one's at home, and now you're going to
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: get paid even less for it. And if by some
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: miracle someone can work out storage that's actually cost competitive
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: without enormous taxpayer subsidies and support, they're going to make
• 47:13
  Speaker 9: the margin.
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  Speaker 15: It's just ridiculous. And we've warned about this for years.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce today is calling for Australia follow the leader
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: of the US and banned Chinese evs. Now they haven't
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: banned them yet, they're looking at them very very closely.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen, almost immediately as this was raised last week,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: ruled it out. He's not looking at it through the
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: security prison. You know, he's not the sharpest tool in
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: the shed. But seriously, Gary Hargraves, we should be looking
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: at this very carefully, having a proper investigation.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're politter than I was going to be, Peter.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's an idiot. He's destroying Australia before
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: our very eyes. He is a zealot, and he's dangerous,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and Chris Bones should be ignored at all cost. Barnaby
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Joy is closer to right than wrong. And it's reasonable,
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  Speaker 1: given that we've already got enough lemons and bombs already
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: driving around our roads, that we shouldn't be importing them
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: under the guise of the fact that we're going to
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: bring all of these electric vehicles.
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  Speaker 5: Out of China.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: It's great that all these new models are coming, I guess,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. After seeing what's happened to walkie
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: talkies and pages and other parts of the world, I
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: have fear i'd share Barnaby's sphere. And I think it's reasonable.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: If the UN, sorry, if the US our strategic security
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: partners are questioning it, so should we. Because I am
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: worried that somewhere along the line, all the cars, all
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the trucks could just be switched off and Australia will
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: be well and truly broken.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: We had a whole experse on the weekend in the Australian.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: It was pretty galling to read, if I'm honest, Keith
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: a whole of the Yes campaigns saying that they were
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: done over, that they weren't listened to, that they simply
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: not taking responsibility for the defeat. Now just into an amber.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Jimper Price and Warren Mundine hit back. They miss They
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: said that the leaders of the campaign are blaming each
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: other for their failures. They don't recognize the division they caused.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Warren Mundane criticize them for failing to see that Australia
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: is not a racist country. We're getting close to the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: anniversary and the revisionism already is underway.
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  Speaker 15: But Peter, you can't tell the Australian people they are wrong.
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  Speaker 15: They all got to vote. They put forward a proposition.
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  Speaker 9: It was defeated, and resoundingly so because it was the
• 49:33
  Speaker 9: wrong proposition for this country.
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  Speaker 15: And I think that's something that the Yes campaign simply
• 49:37
  Speaker 15: has to accept.
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  Speaker 9: And what's the outcome now? I hold all these promises
• 49:42
  Speaker 9: that actually delivered. There was to be no more welcomes
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: to country. If I recall correctly, if this was defeated,
• 49:47
  Speaker 9: I'm all for that if it's culturally important that play,
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: because I think people are sick of it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 15: And once again we are seeing history rewritten.
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: Lots of information was provided, people made a decision and
• 49:58
  Speaker 9: they voted no.
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  Speaker 3: Just quickly negative.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Geary I said there was an admission from Jim Chalmers
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: on Friday. He was the one who spoke to Treasury
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: after everyone denying it all week that the sub Treasury
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: was on a frolic. But the concern is that this
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: was a leaked policy headline to damage the Prime Minister Gary.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: That tells you they're not happy internally.
• 50:23
  Speaker 12: Now they're not.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: And the rule of thumb in the Labor Party caucus
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: right now is don't be Elbow. They are distancing themselves.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Tony Burke is Jim Chalmers. Is they both want Elbow's job.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Elbows in a heap of trouble. Don't be Elbow is
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: their lagan right now.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I bet you no one's going to want him in
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: their marginal seat. He's not going to be on the
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: core flutes if he's still their come election.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Time.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: They might even drop the Labor brand. We'll see, We'll
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: watch it closely. See you both next week, gents. All right,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: thank you for your company. Busy show, got it all in.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: There A lot going on the Deeming case. I'll give
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: you an update tomorrow night. Andrew Bolt though up next