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Painting Vinyl Shutters & Plumbing Insights · Repcolite Home Improvement Show

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  Speaker 1: Well, good morning everybody, Happy weekend. You're listening to the
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  Speaker 1: Rep Go Light home improvement shows sponsored by Benjamin Moore,
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  Speaker 1: and this week, rather than give you a big long
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  Speaker 1: list of all the things I'm going to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to jump right in to the first segment,
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  Speaker 1: my paint Points segment. All right, I'm gonna start this
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  Speaker 1: with a simple question. Do you have kids?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you do, I'm pretty sure that you've had
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  Speaker 1: weeks like this and conversations like this, and really the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is crazy to me. It's fascinating. Really, the
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  Speaker 1: kids can grow up right in front of you. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you watch them become fully functioning adults in society. They
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  Speaker 1: acquire and hold great jobs as time goes by, and really,
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  Speaker 1: if you look, you can start to see, you know
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  Speaker 1: what kind of seems like the sparks of genius, you know,
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  Speaker 1: flashing in their eyes, and you're really proud. And then
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  Speaker 1: they open up their mouths and you realize, man, nothing
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  Speaker 1: has changed over all these years. Here's what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: A few months ago, I get up in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: walk into the kitchen and I find a gallon of milk,
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  Speaker 1: you know, full gallon of milk with an expiration date.
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  Speaker 1: Get this, three weeks from that day. That's when it's
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  Speaker 1: going to go bad. That full gallon of milk sitting
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  Speaker 1: on the counter. You know, it's a really good, really safe,
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  Speaker 1: really fresh gallon of milk sitting on the counter next
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  Speaker 1: to a pack of Oreos and a milky glass. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I touch the side of the milk jug. I guess,
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  Speaker 1: hoping that somehow, miracle of all miracles. I guess that's
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  Speaker 1: not really the miracle of all miracles, but hoping that
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  Speaker 1: luckily it would still be ice cold. But of course no,
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  Speaker 1: it's lukewarm. Lukewarm at best. Expiration date three weeks from
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  Speaker 1: that moment, and the milk's lukewarm on the counter. It's toast, cruel,
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  Speaker 1: cruel fate. Anyway, I'm tossing the milk, and suddenly the
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  Speaker 1: most likely suspect amongst all the kids walks into the room.
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  Speaker 1: He spots the milk in my hand, and then he says, ah,
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  Speaker 1: is that bad? I said, well it is? Now? He says, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I may have left it out overnight. I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: yeah you did, as I pour the whole thing with
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  Speaker 1: great flare down the kitchen sink. So then he follows
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  Speaker 1: it up with, So it'll go bad if you do that,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't put it back in the fridge. And
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  Speaker 1: I found myself thinking, you know, what is this, What
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  Speaker 1: is this strategy that he's employing here? You know, is
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  Speaker 1: this somehow a new concept for him, that milk needs
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  Speaker 1: to go back in the fridge. I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do with that, so I just said, yep, yep,
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  Speaker 1: it goes bad if it's not back in the fridge. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we go about our day and everything's forgotten. I'm big hearted.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care a grudge about this. It was just
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  Speaker 1: milk three weeks, you know, expiration date from the time
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  Speaker 1: I found it, three weeks. But still I'm not carrying
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  Speaker 1: a grudge. Everything's fine until I get home and I
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  Speaker 1: find a couple of half blocks of cheddar cheese in
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  Speaker 1: the pantry. They're both crispy, dark orange, you know, they're toast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm standing there holding them and he walks into the room.
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  Speaker 1: Same kit sees the cheese in my right hand and
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  Speaker 1: he says, I kid you not, ah, you know you
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  Speaker 1: can't put open cheese in the cupboard. Well it's not
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  Speaker 1: a question this time. So I look at him waiting
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  Speaker 1: there were more info, and he follows it up with this,
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  Speaker 1: I did that the other day, and when I went
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  Speaker 1: to use it again, you know what I found? It
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  Speaker 1: was all crispy and bad, so I had to get
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  Speaker 1: a new one out. Sorry about that. I looked at him,
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  Speaker 1: and then I held up the other block of cheddar cheese,
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  Speaker 1: the one in my left hand, and then he says, oh, shoot,
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  Speaker 1: I bet I put the second one back in the
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  Speaker 1: cupboard too. Yep, you did. All right, there's the kid's story.
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  Speaker 1: He's gotten better. Maybe it was just some weird freak
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  Speaker 1: moment or freak week for him. I don't know. But
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  Speaker 1: let's get to the paint point. And it's obvious, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can't you just figure it out? Just listening
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  Speaker 1: to all that. Well, it's frustrated as I can get
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  Speaker 1: with the kids about leaving food out or whatever, and really,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, they're much better than they used to be,
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  Speaker 1: and this was just some kind of anomaly I think
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  Speaker 1: for him. But as frustrated as I get with them
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  Speaker 1: about stuff like that, I really used to do the
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  Speaker 1: same thing with paint brushes all the time. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: betting that a lot of you do as well. Now
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  Speaker 1: I can't list off all the things that people do
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  Speaker 1: wrong when they're cleaning and storing paint brushes. It's probably
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  Speaker 1: an infinite list.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: I would make the mistakes sometimes of filling up a
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  Speaker 1: jar with water Have you ever done this, and then
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  Speaker 1: just dropping the brush in it and letting it sit
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  Speaker 1: that way overnight, thinking that's going to clean it well.
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  Speaker 1: The bristles were never very good after that, and I
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  Speaker 1: usually ended up tossing those brushes. Sometimes I would wash
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  Speaker 1: it out well and then i'd just toss it in
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  Speaker 1: a paint tray and leave it there. The next time
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  Speaker 1: i'd grab it, it'd be clean for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: but the bristles had splayed out, you know, so wide
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  Speaker 1: and in so many different directions. It kind of looked
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  Speaker 1: like one of those, you know, one of those troll dows,
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  Speaker 1: the ones with the crazy hair. So I'd end up
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  Speaker 1: tossing that brush, and eventually I just told myself it's
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  Speaker 1: not worth getting good brushes. They just don't last well.
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  Speaker 1: It turns out I was handling it all wrong. Once
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  Speaker 1: I figured that out that there's a right way to
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  Speaker 1: clean and store brushes, I was done tossing them. And
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  Speaker 1: I've got brushes now that I've used, you know, for
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  Speaker 1: over ten years or more. Now here's the right way.
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  Speaker 1: And first off, first step, you've got to get a
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  Speaker 1: good brush. I'd recommend that you buy a Corona EXCaliber brush.
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  Speaker 1: The bristles on an Excalibur are China and I talk
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  Speaker 1: about these brushes all the time on the show. They're made.
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  Speaker 1: These specific bristles are made to release water based paint
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  Speaker 1: crazy easily and really evenly, and they work really well
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  Speaker 1: to do that. But an added benefit is that because
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  Speaker 1: they release latex paint so easily, they clean up really fast.
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  Speaker 1: You know, often I can rinse the brush clean in
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  Speaker 1: basically forty five seconds or so under running water. It's
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  Speaker 1: really remarkable. Corona Excalibur brush. Get a good brush, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Once you start painting with the brush, make sure you
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  Speaker 1: save that little cardboard sleeve that it came with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the sleeve that covers the bristles. Don't toss that out
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  Speaker 1: when you open the brush. Take it off carefully, set
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  Speaker 1: it aside. You're gonna want it later. That's a key
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  Speaker 1: part of all of this. Now, use the brush, do
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  Speaker 1: your painting, and when it's time to clean it, rints
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  Speaker 1: it well until you don't have any more paint coming
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  Speaker 1: off in the running water. And then once you've got
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  Speaker 1: that done, spin the brush to dry it. Now you
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  Speaker 1: can buy specific paint brush spinning tools, but really just
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  Speaker 1: put the brush handle between your two palms and then
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  Speaker 1: do that universal I'm making while you're with a stick motion,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with your hands, rub your palms together. Now,
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  Speaker 1: be sure you're outside or somewhere like that when you
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  Speaker 1: do this, because you're going to spray water everywhere. But
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  Speaker 1: do that until the brush is relatively dry. And then,
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  Speaker 1: and here's the big trick that most people don't do,
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  Speaker 1: put that cardboard sleeve back on the bristles and then
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  Speaker 1: wrap it all up like it was when you bought it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't have that cardboard sleeve anymore, just wrap
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  Speaker 1: the bristles in a paper towel and make sure you
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  Speaker 1: shape it to look like the brush did in the package.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't do this, the brush is going to
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  Speaker 1: be clean and it will be dry, but the bristles
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  Speaker 1: will flare out and it's really no longer much good
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  Speaker 1: for cutting in or most other brushwork. If you wrap
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  Speaker 1: the bristles in their packaging or in a paper towel.
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  Speaker 1: They'll keep that original shape and the brush will work
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  Speaker 1: for you for years. You know, cheese and milk. They've
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  Speaker 1: got to go back in the fridge when you're done
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  Speaker 1: with them. Paint brushes, they need to be cleaned and
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  Speaker 1: put back in their sleeves. Do that. Everybody's happy.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: That's the paint point for the week. Now we're going
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  Speaker 1: to take a break and when I come back, I'll
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  Speaker 1: be in the studio with Mark Devisser from the Plumber
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  Speaker 1: is Here answering your plumbing questions. That's just ahead. Stay
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  Speaker 1: tuned and we're back. You're listening to the Repco Light
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  Speaker 1: Home improvement Show sponsored by Benjamin Moore. And right now
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the studio with Mark Devisser from the Great
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  Speaker 1: Lakes Plumbing. The Plumber is here, Mark, Thanks for being here.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a ton of questions that I want to
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to the questions. And I want to jump
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  Speaker 1: in with this one. It's from Shelley and she's wondering this.
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  Speaker 1: We're thinking about offering on a new house and my
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  Speaker 1: mom told me that I should have the sewer line
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  Speaker 1: scoped as part of my inspection. Is that common? Is
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  Speaker 1: it worth it? So? What about scoping a sewer line?
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  Speaker 1: Is that something people do?
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  Speaker 3: It has become a thing. I talked to somebody from Chicago.
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  Speaker 3: They said that apparently they do. It was somebody who
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  Speaker 3: maybe had a house here and they knew me, and
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  Speaker 3: so apparently in Chicago they do a lot of that.
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  Speaker 3: We have found in our area it is I mean,
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  Speaker 3: maybe it's only six percent of the time right now,
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  Speaker 3: but I mean, I mean five years ago I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: doing any and.
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  Speaker 1: So it's picking up a little bit regular thing.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Is it worth it? What do you get from now?
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  Speaker 3: It's worth it if it gives you peace of mind.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean if you scope to a sewer line
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  Speaker 3: and found out that it was in really poor condition
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  Speaker 3: and it was going to be have to be replaced
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  Speaker 3: within the next couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: Have you run hugely worth it? Have you run into
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  Speaker 1: that definitely? Oh you have.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, We've gone into and scope jobs and said
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  Speaker 3: this is a I mean, this is you got to
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  Speaker 3: really seriously think about whether you want this house, because
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  Speaker 3: I mean sewer replacements, you know, could be five to
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  Speaker 3: fifteen thousand dollars maybe. So we have had instances even worse.
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  Speaker 3: We've had more instances where people have bought a house
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  Speaker 3: and within six months the sewer backed up and then
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  Speaker 3: you go down there and say, well it's it's terrible,
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  Speaker 3: you got to replace it, and.
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  Speaker 1: Well and because the sewer backed up, you have to
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  Speaker 1: burn the house down and I can't live there anymore, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean it's a big job tear up the yard,
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  Speaker 3: and people are concerned about finding out something afterwards, they're buying,
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  Speaker 3: they're buying at their top limit. They I don't have
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  Speaker 3: the money to replace a sewer. That's expensive. So going
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  Speaker 3: into it and going I've looked down it, and I've
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  Speaker 3: got a report that whatever the condition is, I got
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  Speaker 3: it and I accept it, or I'm going to go
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  Speaker 3: back to them and say, listen, I need you to
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  Speaker 3: come down because I'm going to be replacing the sewer.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just knowing about it, I didn't. It never crossed
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  Speaker 1: my mind. I'm paying attention to the roof. Sure, that's
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  Speaker 1: a big expense, ten to fifteen, twenty thousand. I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at this, looking at that, Sure, that's another huge you know,
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  Speaker 1: we pay attention to how's the furnace, what's the furnace
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  Speaker 1: looking like? Those are all things I would say that
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  Speaker 1: are the big, the big, big obvious items. But yet
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  Speaker 1: this is lurking, right, lurking. The sewer is lurking beneath
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  Speaker 1: your feet, below you, and it's full of terrible things,
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  Speaker 1: and it wants to bring those terrible things into your basement.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes it wants to bring them right back up in
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  Speaker 3: the basement.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't want that, ever, you don't. Wow. All right, well, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: that's a gold star question. That's right way to go.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to another question. I've got. Well,
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  Speaker 1: look at this, I've got a question from me Mark
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  Speaker 1: and this also is a gold star question. This is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely brilliant.
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  Speaker 3: That's debatable.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you haven't even heard the question yet, Mark, You
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  Speaker 1: keep it to yourself till you've heard it. Okay, tankless
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  Speaker 1: hot water heaters, they've been around for a while. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on them? You know, when I
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  Speaker 1: first looked at them, they were way crazy more expensive
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  Speaker 1: than conventional water heaters. Has that changed? Is it still
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  Speaker 1: like that? What does installation look like? Blah blah blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah. Do I want a tankless hot water heater?
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  Speaker 2: Mark?
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  Speaker 3: It took me a while to get on board with
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  Speaker 3: tankless hot water heaters. A number of years I avoided it.
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  Speaker 3: How come Well, there was stories about how much water
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  Speaker 3: it would heat. I mean, obviously they heat tons of water,
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  Speaker 3: but how much galen's per minute you would get? And
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  Speaker 3: knowing that in the city of Holland, I've seen water
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  Speaker 3: coming in about thirty six degrees in the winter. And
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  Speaker 3: what people don't realize is when they call me up
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  Speaker 3: and say, hey, I bought a water heater and it
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  Speaker 3: produces six galons a minute of water, what they don't
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  Speaker 3: realize is that's a forty degree rise from whatever the
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  Speaker 3: water temperature is. So if you get a water heater
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  Speaker 3: that does six scalons a minute and it's coming in
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  Speaker 3: at forty degrees, you're going to get eighty degrees of
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  Speaker 3: water at six scalons a minute. Now when you get
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  Speaker 3: down to three galons a minute, it's going to get
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty degrees or whatever that number is.
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  Speaker 3: But the first thing to understand is it doesn't just
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  Speaker 3: create it. That's a forty degree rise.
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  Speaker 1: So might not be what I'm thinking of you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so don't think that you're just going to get
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  Speaker 3: that all the time.
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  Speaker 1: So what we use.
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  Speaker 3: We use a great brand of water heater. It has
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  Speaker 3: a fifteen year stainless heat exchanger warranty. You know, most
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  Speaker 3: water heaters have about a six year warranty. Like a
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  Speaker 3: tank style. You can purchase that. People say, oh no,
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  Speaker 3: mine's got a twelve year warranty. Well they didn't put
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  Speaker 3: a different take in there. You paid for a warranty.
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  Speaker 3: They're taking a chance by charging you extra money that
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  Speaker 3: it's going to last that long. They may have put
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  Speaker 3: something in it that may try to make it last longer,
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  Speaker 3: but you're not buying a thicker water heater.
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  Speaker 1: So so a conventional one you're looking at six years.
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  Speaker 3: Generally it's six years unless you paid.
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  Speaker 1: More for get it than just tankless one, takeless one.
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  Speaker 3: The heat exchanger is fifteen years. You're going to get
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  Speaker 3: an efficiency of somewhere between thirty and forty percent. Some
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  Speaker 3: people think that's the greatest thing. I think it's awesome,
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  Speaker 3: but understand, you don't spend that much money on gas
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  Speaker 3: for your walle You spend a lot for your furnace.
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  Speaker 3: Your furnace is probably your water heater. You're probably spending
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  Speaker 3: maybe three hundred dollars a year saving, so you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: save one hundred dollars a year in gas. That that's
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  Speaker 3: I mean fifteen years, that's fifteen hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of Oreo cookies that.
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  Speaker 3: You know you're gonna have some maintenance. I mean supposedly
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  Speaker 3: you're supposed to flush your tank style water heater every year.
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  Speaker 3: I know about three people who actually do it.
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  Speaker 2: With these.
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to get the efficiency if you don't
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  Speaker 3: flush it and keep it clean.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have to flush.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the tank style flushing, you're flushing the system. It's
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  Speaker 3: got lines that the heat exchanger, you know, is heated
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  Speaker 3: very quickly like a pot heats, and it gets calcium
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  Speaker 3: on it, So you have to if you have a
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  Speaker 3: water softener, that's much much better for it. We can
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  Speaker 3: reduce that down flushing maybe every five years. But if
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  Speaker 3: you don't have a water softener, we're going to want
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  Speaker 3: to do it every year, so you're going to spend
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of money to get it flushed.
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  Speaker 1: I have to have somebody come and do that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I know people who try to do it themselves.
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  Speaker 3: I question if they do it right.
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  Speaker 1: Looking look at me, Mark, look me over at me.
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  Speaker 1: Should I do it myself?
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  Speaker 3: You shouldn't do it yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I should not.
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  Speaker 3: Most people shouldn't because they won't do the other little
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  Speaker 3: things that we do, all some filter changing, checking, some
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  Speaker 3: other things. They're not gonna generally know that. They're just
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  Speaker 3: gonna flush it. Then they're gonna call us in a
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  Speaker 3: month because the filter's plugged up. So I think they
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  Speaker 3: should just pay to have it done.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So I'll have to do that once a
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  Speaker 1: year because I don't have soft water softener.
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  Speaker 3: Other than that, it's gonna give you a ton of water.
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  Speaker 3: It's except twenty four to seven, three hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 3: five days a year. It's gonna give you fully hot water.
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  Speaker 3: You could let it run NonStop and it'll give you
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  Speaker 3: hot water. They're a great item.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Is the price still crazy? How the price is high?
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: But you got to understand you're paying for twenty years,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: maybe because the heat exchange is fifteen so you know
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: the thing's gonna probably last twenty I mean, they're not
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: going to warranty for fifteen years. If it's only gonna
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: last fourteen years, they're gonna, you.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Know, they want to make sure that they're further they're
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: going to replace.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: It, They're going to want to make sure they're covering that.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: So if when you take the fact the problem is
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: people do not have the money, they would rather pay
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: half of it now and then in ten years pay
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: half of it again.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: By doing ten tank heaters.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, by doing one tank and then another tank
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: ten years from now approximately.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: How I roll mark. So that's if you have.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: The money to do it, it's it's there's a huge value.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: It is my opinion.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: The one thing I want to say is highbred electric
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: water heaters are coming fast, and I have people predicting
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: that they are going the tankless are already on their
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: way out. I don't know if that's true or not.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: We haven't seen that yet. But we have started to
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: install highbred tank style heaters. So basically, what that is
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: is an electric heater that has a I call it
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: a reverse air conditioner. It takes the air, it takes
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: the heat out of it and compresses it and puts
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: it into your heater to create the warmth to create
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: hot water. So highbred water heaters we've done quite a
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: few so far. Yeah, they're pricey, they're a lot like
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: on demand tankless, but strangely enough, for me, it's just
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: a little nothing wrong with it. But people are actually
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: wanting to do it to get away from carbon emissions.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not really I'm not saying I'm not on board
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: with it, but I don't think that way so much.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of people that are calling me
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: and saying, we want to get rid of carbon emissions,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: and so they want that electric highbred unit. And it
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: sounds like they're extremely efficient.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: You put in a few.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I've put in a few so far. The prognosis is good.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: There's kind of nice. You can control them from your phone.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: And there's all kinds of fancy gadgets and what.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Is there to control? It's a hot water.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: All temperatures you could look at.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't touched mine, and I'm kind
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: of nutsy like that. I would like to fiddle with stuff,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: but mine's just set.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Oh they do it all on the phone. They can
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: turn it up, turn it down to play tunes. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: don't know if it plays tunes.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Well, it seems like an opportunity for somebody make a
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: hot water heater that plays tunes and I can control
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: it from my phone, right, yes, all right, we could
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: add add to the price on that, right, all right,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have to take a break for just a second,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: play some commercials, and then when we come back, I've
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: got a couple more questions from Mark. We'll get to
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: all of that in just a minute. Stick around, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: we're back. You're listening to the reco Light Home improvement
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Show sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and I'm in the studio
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: with Mark Devisser from Great Lakes Plumbing. The plumber is
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: here dot com, and we're working our way through a
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: bunch of questions that I receive from listeners out there now, Mark,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: let's just keep going with it. I've got a question
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: here from Melanie, and this question also hits near and
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: dear to my heart. I asked the previous question, and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: this one matters to me too. Melanie says, I'm in
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: my first house and the refrigerator is just a regular
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: old refrigerator. We want to get a new one with
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: a water dispenser and an icemaker. As far as I know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: there's no water run to that spot. How big of
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a deal is that to get water in there and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: get that refrigerator operating the way she wants it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I would say this is generally a very easy, relatively
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: inexpensive thing to do, as long as that refrigerators not
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: above a family room. You know, if it's a cross
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: from the sink, and then the hole downstairs is finished
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: and with drywall, and you know, then you're probably opening
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: drywall to get water there. But if that sink is
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: next to the stove or I'm sorry, if you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: if the refrigerator is next to the stove and there's
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: a sink on the other side of the stove, we
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: could run it behind the stove. They run it through
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: the cave. We run it a lot through the cabinets
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: to get to it.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: All right, No, this is this is as a rule,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: A pretty simple process unless you find a really strange situation.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Makes a lot of sense. So my refrigerator, because I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: moved right on from Melanie, because I don't know melanie situation,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: but I can I guess mine. Mine is across from
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the sink, and it is above a family room area. Okay,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: but the ceiling is one of those really fancy you know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: everybody wants some drop ceiling. Oh yeah, everybody wants those
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: mark that sounded sarcastic. They're pretty cool.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I happened to like them.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I could take out those panels and we could
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: put in my plumbing, and I could get my refrigerator
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: all the panels.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: We could just run it from point A to point
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: B and give you water.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: If I had drywall up there, then we would have
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to get a little more creative way.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's been a couple of times I've drilled
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: a larger hole behind the refrigerator and we've fished it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: If the joys are the right way, we fished it
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: from the sink down. I mean, we've pulled it off
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: a few times.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Generally speaking, not too big of a deal. I have
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: delayed on this for years and years, Melanie. I would
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: encourage you to just jump in and get that done.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I've delayed way too long. I always when I go
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and visit people, I don't visit people very often, Mark,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not normally invited a lot of places. But when
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I do go and they've got that amazing water thing
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in the refrigerator, it's pretty cool.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: You use it.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I get a lot of cold water and crushed dice.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: You live the dream. One last question and then we'll
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: let you go. I'll release you to the wild. I
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: love this question. It's an email from Andrew. He says,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I'm in college right now, but I'm thinking about pursuing
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: a career in the trades. What do I need to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: do practically to get a start in plumbing? Where do
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I go? I start?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Would hire anybody that's capable of working mechanically, that has
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: the attributes, you know, characteristics that we want. I always
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: say characteristics are ingrained in you. Everything else can be taught.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: So if you have good characteristics, honesty, working hard, coming
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: in on time, you know able to communicate with people.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: We are always looking for apprentices. They can start day one.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah they're not going to start out making a ton
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: of money, but they can work themselves up quickly, and
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: we don't hire as many apprentices. If you I often
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: will tell people to try a new house builder because
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: somebody who does new houses probably they could have one
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: journeyman on a job and they could have four apprentices
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: and they could all be working and learning. You'll give
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: That's the way I started out, and I did the
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: same thing over and over for a day after day
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: after day, and within thirty days I knew how to
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: do it. In service plumbing, I've had guys that it's
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: years and they're like, man, I haven't done this before.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Every day they you know, I mean, everything is different.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: It's just it's much more difficult to train somebody. We
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: always have an apprentice, one or two at all times,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: but that's I can't we don't charge enough like some
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: companies where they send two people and they're charging you
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: enough to cover both people. We're a little bit more economic.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I guess where I don't make as much when I
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: send an apprentice because I'm not charging that huge dollar
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: that some.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: People are charging.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: So so I can't send a guy if they wanted
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: to work for free, I could, but I mean for
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: me to make a living, and I'm not charging an
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: iron in a leg, I'm only charging a couple of fingers,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: you know. You know, so a lot of guys, I'll say,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: you go there and you learn that, and then now
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: you'll know all the basics, you'll know all the safety,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: you'll know how to glue pipes together, you know how
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: to sider, you know what, blah blah blah, all that stuff. Now,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: if you want to do service, which is a different
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: animal than new there's a lot of guys that are
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: new that have no interest in dealing with people. So
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: they go there and they never deal with anybody with service.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: You're dealing with customers face to face. You gotta have,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you know, you got to be able to communicate and
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: think on your feet a little more. It's not gonna
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: be a cookie cutter house or one after another. You're
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: maybe doing the same thing. Every single day is different,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Every situation is different, and so I mean, we don't
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: hire as many apprentices as some companies do, but we're
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: always watching and if I found the right guy. You know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of people don't have the mechanical sense.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: There there's a lot of people that shouldn't be a
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: service plumber in all honesty, and.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: People who are who shouldn't are people.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: There's some that probably are that shouldn't be, but more
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: of them that they just shouldn't go into that. They
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: maybe you gotta know how to work with your hands.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: If you can't put a nut on a bolt, you
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: don't want to be a plumber.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: So but you get the.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Right mechanical guy. And I would hire that guy probably
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: today no matter what, because the right guy. It's all
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: about the right having the right employees, is what I
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: think it's all going to come down to.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: So it starts you're saying, talk to some builders. Is
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that what you're saying, You.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Want to get into the plumbing, Go call go call
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: on some plumbing companies. I mean, I'm I'm guessing if
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: if you're a good guy, you should be able to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: get a plumber by the first day.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: All right, So start as an apprentice, just like that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Such a need yep, Start as an apprentice. You're going
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: to start out a little low, but you know, you
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: prove what you do, you work hard, You're going to
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: you're probably going to start, you could make I mean
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: we would. A good guy would get raised probably within
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: thirty days, maybe a week if he If he's really good,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: you got to prove that you can do what you
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: need to do. But there's totally a different grade of
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: people here, capabilities, and the need is big. The need
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: is huge.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: You like what you do.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I love what I do.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: It's gross, is some really gross stuff.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: But I have a nose for plumbing. I can't smell.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to go any further than that, but
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: term I can't smell.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, gotchat down.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, And I literally can go in and
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: people are like, a stinks so bad. It's perfect for me.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: But wow, that's like a super power mark. That's exciting.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I love dealing with people, all right. If it wasn't
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: for the people, it's not. I mean I love plumbing too,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: but if I wasn't dealing with people every day, I
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: wouldn't do this.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: So you would like the service end of it way
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: better than just the structure.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Send definitely all right, all right.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's a great question. I know we
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: need people in the trades we do. My kid's an electrician,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's very similar to what you described.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Started and worked his way up, did the same thing
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: over and over again because he was the low guy
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: on the totem pole and loves what he does.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: If you could start and say, say thirty days you
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: don't like it, quit, go find go do go try heating,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: go try electrical. If you want to be in a trade.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know a lot of options out there. I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: love the input. All right, Mark, that's all the time
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: we've got for this. If our listeners want to reach
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: out to you, get in touch. They can find you
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: online at the plumbers here dot com.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: They can find all the different ways to get in
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: touch with you. They can text you. All of that's online, yep,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: at your website. Right, yep, perfect, Mark Devissa from the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Plumber is here. Thanks for hanging out, Thanks for having me.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: All right, it's time for a quick break, and then
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: when we come back, I've got the next George job
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: for the week, and this time we're talking about painting
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: vinyl shutters. All that's coming up in just a minute.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Stick around, and we're back and it's time for this
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: week's George job. Now, George jobs are called such in
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: honor of George Washington, who may have won the Revolutionary
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: War because he was thinking through and working through you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: from a distance, he was thinking through and working through
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: little home projects at Mount Vernon. Now, if you want
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: more info to back up that crazy claim, I can
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: do it. Just check out the last three episodes. You're
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: listening to the Repco Lighte Home improvement show sponsored by
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Benjamin Moore, and this week's George job is painting your
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: vinyl shutters. Now, my shutters have been painted before and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: they're definitely in need of being refreshed. And I think
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: this is a great weekend project because it's not going
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to take very long, You're not gonna need to use
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of paint, and you're gonna have an instant,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: instant payoff when you get it done. You know, when
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the shutters look bad, the curb appeal of your home
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: is dragged down a little bit. A new code of
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: paint on those shutters and suddenly everything's looking up.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: To help me walk through this project and kind of
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: get the details off there, I'm on the phone with
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Kevin Herman from Benjamin Moore, and you're going to see why.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: In a minute, Kevin thanks for talking with me today morning.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: All right, Saturday, Yeah, all of those things. Happy weekend,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Happy Saturday. Yeah, I've got some questions for you about
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: this project that I know you were going to tackle.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: You know, I know you've got vinyl shutters that you
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: planned on painting this past weekend. Did you actually get
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to that project or did you run out of time?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah? No, it was It was actually very easy, very simple.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: All right, about how long? About how long did it take?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Let's see, I only have six shutters that I have
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to do, so to take them down was probably the longest.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And I cleaned the wasp ness and the spiders off
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: of them, clean them up, and then actually paint them
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: half an hour maybe, all right, So it didn't take
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: long at all.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Not a long project. Now, before we get to some
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of the details, because I've got questions about it, it's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a job I'm dishing out to people this weekend as
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: a recommended job if they've got shutters that they would
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: like to change the color on. Now, before we get
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to those details, though, if you do a fair amount
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of digging into this project online, you're going to run
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: into a lot of people, a lot of sources that
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: are telling you that you know what, you're going to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: have tons appealing, You're going to have failure, and you're
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: better off just replacing the shutters with brand new ones
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: in the color you want. What do you think about that?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: What do you say to that?
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on whether their shutters are paintable or not. Right.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: If they're paintable shutters like Minor, there's no problem. You
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: can repaint them. It's actually very easy, and it has
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to do with family chemicals called plasticizers that they put
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: in some of them keep them flexible that leach out
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and prevent you from painting them. No matter what you
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: use for adhesion, eventually it's going to fail. So you
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: just want to make sure you have shutters are paintable.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: All right, So if guys don't know, then you might
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: want to buy new one. Okay, that's where I guess.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I know where I'm at because mine have been painted
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: and I'm not seeing any any major failure. It's just
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: got to be refreshed. So I'm assuming mine have been painted.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: If you do have questions out there, you definitely at
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: least keep that in mind. If it's not a paintable shutter,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you will run into issues. But if they are meant
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to be or constructed manufactured with the idea that they
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: could be painted, you can have great success. Now let's
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: get to your project a minute. What were the conditions
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: of the shutters when you started?
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean they just they face south, they get
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: direct sunlight, so they yeah, they faded.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: So they've been painted.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been painted before. I painted it once before, probably,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know, eight nine years ago. It's been quite
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a while, all right.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And how did that paint hold up? I mean, did
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you have a lot of feeling to deal with or
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: was it just fading.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't have any feeling. It's just fading because of
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: the exposure. They're they're a dark blue color facing directly south,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and there's a difference between what they look like originally
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: they look like now it's time to freshen them up
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a little bit. But as far as preparation, I don't
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: have any peeling. All I have to do is just
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: make sure they're clean. All right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: So what did the prep work look like. You kind
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: of mentioned getting the wasp nests off and all that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: You typically, at least mine have four screws, one at
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: each corner and they're not brand new shutters, so those
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: screws are a little bit rusted. So it's a little
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: bit of finagling to get them off the first time.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: But after that getting them back up was nice and easy.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Do you think you unscrewed? Unscrew them, take them down
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and wash them, brush them off.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: What do you wash them with?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Just dawn or a little bit of bleach if you
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: happen to have mildew, But dawn is a pretty good thing.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: TSP works extremely well, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So what do you think about painting them while
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: they're still up? If I can't get them down or
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just you lazy?
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Well, depending on where they're at, Like mine, the top
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: set is above a short roof with a little bit
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: of pitch. I'd rather take them down than stand up
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: there and to paint them. But you could paint them
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: in place. There's no reason you can't. It's just which
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: is easier for me. It's just easier to take them down,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: clean them and paint them, then put them back up.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: See I've got such a reach, Kevin. You know, I
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: have long legs, long arms, and it is me that
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. You've seen me, so that doesn't work
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  Speaker 1: for you.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Right, No, it's somebody different.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I thought, No, if it's four foot off the ground,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I need a ladder to get there. That's what you're thinking, right, Yeah,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: he don't have to take him down.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: It was just much easier, all right. I think I
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: got a better job. Got that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: So you washed him with dawn, got him clean, dealt
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: with the wasps and all of that. Did you get stung?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: No? No, no, they left me alone. There wasn't that much.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It was mostly just old you know how they make
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: the little mudhouses.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, my kid, he's an electrician. He came home
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: from work the other day and he's wearing his sunglasses.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I said, why are you home early? You're home like
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: half hour early. Takes his sunglasses off and his left
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: eye completely swollen shut. Of course, I assumed he'd been
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: in a fist fight, and I was all over that,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you know, ready to bring the smack down.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I was going to see the other guy, look like, yeah.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: What happened? And are you still employed? You know, all
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of those questions are going through my mind. And it
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: turns out, yeah, he had stumbled into a wasp's nest,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and I guess it was he got stung by a
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: big bumblebee, So you don't want that. That's no fun
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: at all. You survived, You avoided all of those potential injuries.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't have any problems cleaned them.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: If you had any peeling or anything like that, just
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a matter of scraping it down, getting that off.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, you typically don't have. I mean the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: products you'd use would be Aura is what I used
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: as our best. More like Moregardener Glow would be absolutely fantastic.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: El mcguard Endure would be a great choice. You just
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: want something an acrylic with a good flexibility and good
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: color retention.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: All right, so all of those things I think you
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: would have said it already. Did you prime them? Did
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you do any priming at all?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: No, didn't need the prime. No, all of those products
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I mentioned have fantastic adhesion. I don't know what you'd
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: get out of the primer now. And if you have
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: your shutters that aren't paintable, it doesn't matter what your prime.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask next. You know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: even a bonding prime or something like that, still not
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: cut out for that, not going to do it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: They work for a while, but then those plastic sizes
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: continue to leach out over time, and eventually it fails.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: It comes off pretty clean, all right.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: So you opted for Aura, that's what you chose. What
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: what finish did you go with?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Well? I went with the I think the satin might
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: have been the soft plus one of those two, something
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to highlight them a little bit.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that definitely, that's that's pretty standard. Same kind
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of thing. Might you might put on a front door.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: You might go a little shininger on the door, but ye,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: same kind of thing. How many coats did it take?
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Because Aura's main claim to fame one of them is
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: that it will cover you know, almost any color with
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: any color in just a couple of coats. How many
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: coats did it take you?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Well? I only did one the first time and I
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: did one the second time. But you should do two?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, So the right the right answer to
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to really, you know, dot all our eyes and cross
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: all our t's. It's two coats, but you stuck by
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: You don't have any skips or missus or light areas
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that'll bleach out sooner. Just make sure you get good
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: uniform coverage and enough build application.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: What did you do brush it roll it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: What did your combination a little trim and touch up roller,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: a combination with the brush. I was able to get
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: most of the roller, which is why it goes so quickly.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Do you have the little louvers in your shutters or
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: are they panels lovers? Okay, okay, still but still rolled
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: through that right, right, but we'll do that part of it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: And then I finished it off with a brush anything
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I couldn't reach with.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: The roller, all right. Yeah, That's why I think this
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: is a great project. It can move fast. There's not
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of paint involved. You know how much paint
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: did you buy and end up using.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: The first time I bought a court and I'm still
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: using the court.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: You're still working through that same court.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there's only yeah, that's right in
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the mixture seat by eighteen, so there's a little bit
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: left in the court. And then I mean I've already
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: get another court ready.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: So some concerns, you know, regarding this project. I'm curious,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking about temperature, weather conditions. You know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: we've had nice weather, consistent weather, but you would want
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to watch out for rain in the forecast, and I
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: would assume, of course you're going to want to start early.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Try to follow the shade stuff like that, right.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And I have over the years been on
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: a couple of occasions where people have used something like
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: black on their vinyl shutters and it was too much
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: of a switch. It absorbed too much heat. So just
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: be careful.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the same color, the same rule would apply
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: normally when we're talking about painting vital siding, we'll talk
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: about you've got to go with a new color that
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: isn't any darker. It's it's the same depth of color
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: or lighter than the original vinyl. Because if you go darker,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: it's possible the material could absorb too much heat and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: it can even warp. Right, same thing with the vinyl shutters, right,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about right now.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: It can get over over two hundred degrees to your hand.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, it absorbs a lot of heat and that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: can melt the miny.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: See, make sure you stick with the color that is
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: either the same depth or lighter than the original that
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you had. If you're going if.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: You have black shutters, then't used black again. But if
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: they were white, I probably wouldn't put.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Black over then either get new shutters at that point
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: or yeah, go with a lighter color. All right, so
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: great project, I would say, curb Appeal bumped it up
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit, half hour hours worth of work, maybe
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a quarter of paint that you bought nine years ago
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and are still I mean, come on, Cavin, you got
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: to help us out here.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: We can't live off my purchases, right, all right?
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, I appreciate the info and just the insight into
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the project itself. Thanks for talking with me today.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Oh anytime, Thanks Dan by Bet.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: And there you go. That's the project for the week.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Look into it. You know, do you have shutters that
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: really could use a refresh If they're paintable, it really
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: can be a crazy quick, crazy inexpensive project. Now, the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: paints that Kevin recommended, if you're interested are Benjamin Moore's Aura,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Benjamin Moore's More Life, More Guard and More Glow, Element
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Guard and Repcolitesendura. It's a great project, like I said,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: And if it's not the right one for you, we'll
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: talk about another one next weekend. And that's going to
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: do it. That's all the time we've got. We're gonna
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: wrap this one up. If you want to catch it again.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: You can find it online at repcolight dot com. Whatever
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you do today, make sure paints a part of it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Have a great week everybody, and I'll see you next weekend.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hansen. Thanks for listening.