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Privacy should be fun · The FIT4Privacy Podcast | Exploring ISO Standards AI Privacy | Grow Skills Store

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  Privacy should be fun. From my point of view, if you
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  talk about privacy to lots of companies out there, it goes
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  over their head. They roll their their eyes,
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  they're not interested. But how can we make it
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  interesting both for people coming into the industry so they
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  can see this is a great career, this is fun.
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  This, this, this is, you know, I can have passion for this, but
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  how can we do that? So you may know, and you will
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  have seen on LinkedIn that from things I've posted in LinkedIn
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  over the years, I put it all together and produced a book.
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  And here it is making data protection and information
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  governance fun. And I want to make it fun.
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  So when people are doing training, you know, if you're
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  just going to do a PowerPoint presentation, it's going to be
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  death by PowerPoint. And we said that 20 years ago.
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  But what can we do to make it interesting?
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  I don't know if about European I, I don't know if you are a, a,
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  a pop star enthusiast, you listen to pop songs.
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  I'm not particularly. But if I was to say, let's take
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  the legal basis, GDPR legal basis, the six, can we think of
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  a pop song that go with the first one consent?
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  Can we think of a pop song that would go with contracts and then
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  vital interest and so on? So do that take the principles,
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  you know, lawful, fair and transparent?
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  Can we think of a film that would would meet that sort of,
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  you know, first principle? Can we think of, you know,
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  accountability the the second principle?
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  Can we think of a film that might, with a title that would,
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  it's just making it fun so that, you know, an icebreaker at the
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  beginning. Let's think of these 7
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  principles. Let's think of what film we can
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  tie to it. Wow.
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  Definition of fun. When I do it for my clients,
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  what I was doing was I would say no introduction to privacy, but
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  I will take 20 questions in their day life and ask them how
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  would they do it? Sometimes an open book, meaning
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  you type or sometimes giving them options.
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  And when they've chosen, it's typical that people will choose
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  1234 in not equal distribution, but in some distribution, and
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  then give them feedback saying why is it right, why this one is
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  right, why this one is wrong, and why this one is even more
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  wrong. And this one can be right, but
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  it's not as right as this one. And give them so far after every
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  question and then make it gamification.
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  So every question it gives them points.
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  And then we say this person is leading.
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  And then we say this is your privacy champion in this year
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  department. He's the good guy.
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  Go to him and ask questions. But now you have some
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  information. So rather than explaining them 7
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  principles or the legal basis or consent and everything, we say,
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  OK, these are the 10 situations and in each situation, this is
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  the question. This is the question or one or
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  two. So that's what we've done.
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  But the idea of making it fun in terms of a movie or a song,
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  that's even more interesting. I'll see if I can find that.
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  But I'm not a enthusiast or a very I don't have a backlog or
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  memory of long list of movies in my head.
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  So I'll need to rely on that GPT and perplexity.
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  Products, yes, I was going to say you don't have to, you can
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  go to that. And I put those on Linkedins
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  over the years and, you know, other people are combined and
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  said, oh, this, this film would be better.
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  And I don't disagree with them, but there's not one that's
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  better. But there are a number that you
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  could link with each one. So yeah, it's a good.
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  It's a good way, yeah. But congratulations for your
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  book as well. And by the way, we had Tanya a
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  few weeks ago in our podcast as well, thanks to your
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  recommendation in the last year, but it took time for us to
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  finalise and get a common slot. So that was fun.
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  But when you talk about coaching or guiding people or bringing
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  people into the mainstream privacy or the privacy career,
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  there are two types of people usually aiming to come into
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  privacy. One, who are youngsters who are
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  looking for it. They'd want to see what do I do?
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  And is privacy a career for me? And second, are they have done
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  something maybe they'll run 10/15/20 years of experience and
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  they're thinking of, I think privacy sounds interesting.
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  So that's more the calling problem.
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  And then we say I want to go there.
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  So what would you advise to both Gentry or both kinds of people
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  and say, how do you start? Where do you start?
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  How do you go about it? So I, I think so the, the young
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  man, say young man, he's younger than me.
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  The man who came to see me today, he comes from a medical
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  background. He wants to transition from
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  that. He, he has a big interest in
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  privacy. So he wants to think it.
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  So he's already got an interest and he's already looking at and
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  he's, he's doing, he's doing Tanya's course, beat the BCS
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  course. But you know, he's, he's trying
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  to pick up, he's following the good people on LinkedIn and he's
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  linked with other people even outside of LinkedIn by
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  recommendation. So that's one way of doing it.
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  He's still working. He got his job, but he's looking
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  that over time he might transition into privacy.
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  So that's that's one way. But you do have other people
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  who, you know, say, well, I don't know what to do.
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  Some people think cybersecurity is a big issue.
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  So they think, oh, cybersecurity, but they find
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  they're not as technical as they should be or ought to be or
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  might need to be to go into to cybersecurity.
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  So they say. But I have an interest and what
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  we do and what you do and I do in privacy links to
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  cybersecurity. You know, we can't ignore it.
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  It is part of what we do, but we're not, I'm not, I don't know
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  about you, but I'm not technical in that sense.
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  I know a few things, but I'm not technical.
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  So I would say, well, look, that's not for you.
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  Maybe what we do, the privacy, you've got to have a bit of
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  knowledge. But then there is the wider, you
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  know, whether it's GDPR, the Data Protection Act, the Privacy
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  Electronic Electronic Communications Act, or even, you
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  know, legislation from other nations, whether in Europe or
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  whether it's HIPPA in America, you know, whatever it might be.
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