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HBA's Women of The Decades, with Lynn O'Connor Vos, Denice Torres, and Resheema Kemps-Polanco · Get Real with Jim Weiss

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to start by saying thrilled to be
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Speaker 1: doing this today as the Healthcare Business Women's Association Honorable
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Speaker 1: Mentor this year, I wanted to sit down with three
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Speaker 1: wodies Women of the Year from the last couple decades.
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Speaker 1: But I think what makes this even cooler is that
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Speaker 1: two of my mentors are on this call. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Lynn Voss was one of my first bosses and someone
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Speaker 1: I looked up to at Grosstown's, and Frank Kaufman long before.
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Speaker 2: We got stories to tell about that you got.
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Speaker 1: Some great stories, so that is really gratifying. And then
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Speaker 1: Mary Stutts has been my client and colleague and a
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Speaker 1: role model a mentor for a long time for me
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Speaker 1: and now vice versa. I think she's going to moderate
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Speaker 1: co moderate this conversation. Mary stuts the now CEO of HbA,
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Speaker 1: and it's going to feature the latest Wodie, Rashiema, Kemps Polanco,
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Speaker 1: the twenty fifteen Wodie Denise Torres, and two thousand and
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Speaker 1: five Lynn O'Connor Voss. I can't believe it's twenty years.
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Speaker 1: You don't look like that could be possible.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: Rashima is the EVP and Chief Commercial Officer of nevardis US.
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Speaker 1: Denise is the former president of McNeil consumer Healthcare division
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Speaker 1: of Johnson and Johnson, and Lyn led Gray Healthcare Group,
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Speaker 1: a part of WPP as CEO over three decades. All
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Speaker 1: three really share with me and Mary a passion for
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Speaker 1: reimagining the future of healthcare. But I wanted to ask
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Speaker 1: one question of the three of you to start, what
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Speaker 1: do you think the common denominator is for winning a
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Speaker 1: Wodie and that connects the three of you, What do
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Speaker 1: you think some of those factors are And through that,
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Speaker 1: what would you advise people to do to end up
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Speaker 1: where you all ended up.
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Speaker 3: I'd love to take that because I'd like to talk
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Speaker 3: about the two of them.
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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's arts off or even at the
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Speaker 4: end of the journey saying I want to win the Woman.
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Speaker 3: Of the Year, because if I look at the people
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Speaker 3: that have won.
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Speaker 4: And I was just saying this to Reshima, you have
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Speaker 4: like this amazing followership from people and people that you
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Speaker 4: have inspired. Would bet my bank account that Lynn, You're
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Speaker 4: still getting those emails and the LinkedIn saying you know what, Lynn,
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Speaker 4: I talk to you whatever time period and you said,
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Speaker 4: da da da and you know what, that changed my life.
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Speaker 4: And I think that's the common thing. It is a
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Speaker 4: passion for serving. I think it's a passion for definitely
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Speaker 4: healthcare and medicine and people. I also think it's the
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Speaker 4: ability to walk in someone else's shoes. And maybe that's
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Speaker 4: because we've had our own losses or our own challenges,
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Speaker 4: but I think there's something beautiful about being in service
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Speaker 4: of in a very very genuine.
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Speaker 2: Heartfelt way. Yeah, I'm just building on that. I would
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Speaker 2: say that we are so lucky to be part of
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Speaker 2: this healthcare industry, an industry that you can be so
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Speaker 2: passionate about. And I think the common theme with most
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Speaker 2: of the wodies that I've met over the years is
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Speaker 2: we're like gutsy people. We're willing to stand out on
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Speaker 2: the ledge with people. We're willing to say, you know what,
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Speaker 2: there's a problem out there, there's an opportunity out there,
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Speaker 2: and we can fix it. My world was communications and
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Speaker 2: still communications, and Jim's world as communications. It is the
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Speaker 2: backbone of trust in our industry. And when you look
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Speaker 2: back at all of the wodies that have been on
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Speaker 2: the podium, and I always think it's such a privilege
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Speaker 2: to do that speech. I dug mine out last night
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Speaker 2: just to see it again. Well, thanks. You have the
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Speaker 2: opportunity to say something, create a platform, and then do
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Speaker 2: a victory lap and do that platform for the entire year.
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Speaker 2: And I think most of the wodies, the wonderful women
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Speaker 2: that have achieved this incredible recognition, have taken that on
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Speaker 2: and continue to mentor and continue to lead. And you're write, Denise.
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Speaker 2: I mean, people call people, stop by, you run into someone,
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Speaker 2: and it's just an incredibly proud moment to say, you know,
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Speaker 2: you're part of this fraternity of wonderful women who've made
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Speaker 2: a difference in the industry. That's the common theme for me.
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Speaker 2: It's guts. It wasn't easy back in the two thousands
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Speaker 2: for a woman to step forward and be in charge.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't easy, but it's certainly been a lot of fun.
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Speaker 2: I love this industry.
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Speaker 5: I think courage is at the center of all of this.
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Speaker 5: And I will tell you I definitely identify with a
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Speaker 5: huge sense of responsibility. To me, it wasn't just an
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Speaker 5: acceptance speech, but as was stated here, it is a platform.
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Speaker 5: It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to speak to
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Speaker 5: the times that you're living in and knowing that you
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Speaker 5: have an opportunity for women who and men who are
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Speaker 5: watching this in person and online to say, do I
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Speaker 5: see myself reflected in those stories that journey? And that
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Speaker 5: was really my goal. And I say this because the
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Speaker 5: ones that stood out for me. I've been going to
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Speaker 5: this event for twenty years, and the ones that over
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Speaker 5: twenty years that stood out for me were the ones
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Speaker 5: where I said, that's me. I find myself in her
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Speaker 5: story and because of her, I can and I wanted
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Speaker 5: to be that for someone ten years from now. I
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Speaker 5: wanted someone to look back and remember to say, Rashima
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Speaker 5: said this at a WODI ten twenty years ago.
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Speaker 6: I didn't really know her, or maybe I did.
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Speaker 5: And it stuck with me and it changed how I
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Speaker 5: thought about what I could do and what I could accomplish.
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Speaker 5: So I think it is that I agree with you, Denise.
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Speaker 5: Nobody wakes up and says one day I'm going to
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Speaker 5: be the wody. None of us woke up and said
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Speaker 5: one day we're gonna be in these big positions. Right,
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Speaker 5: it's just a journey. But I think the red thread
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Speaker 5: is that you have women who are highly courageous, who
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Speaker 5: are invested in and in return, they multiply their impact,
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Speaker 5: investing in everyone around them, not just other women, men
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Speaker 5: and women right to make things better. And they want
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Speaker 5: to leave a legacy to their leadership imprint to say
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Speaker 5: something was different because I was here and my team
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Speaker 5: was here, and we were here, something will be different.
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Speaker 5: And I think that's a shared trait of all of
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Speaker 5: the Woodies.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I want to just talk a little bit
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Speaker 7: about it, because it's great to hear the three of
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Speaker 7: you talk about getting to where you are and your
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Speaker 7: very intentional focus on it and remembering to focus on
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Speaker 7: the people around you. But I want you to talk
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Speaker 7: a little bit, and I'll start with you Roushima, about
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Speaker 7: the importance of nimbleness. And so people say pivot and
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Speaker 7: being able to pivot, but to me, it's all nimbleness
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Speaker 7: because if you don't do it right, you're gonna fall
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Speaker 7: flat on your face. And so how were you able
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Speaker 7: to stay nimble, stay on your feet, stay in the game,
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Speaker 7: keep your head in the game when it looked like
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Speaker 7: the rug was being pulled out from under you. Because
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Speaker 7: that's what a lot of the women when I'm out talking,
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Speaker 7: that's what they're trying to understand and some of those
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Speaker 7: folks are in the midst of the rug being pulled out,
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Speaker 7: or they feel it's coming or whatever. And your advice,
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Speaker 7: and would love to hear all three of your perspective
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Speaker 7: on nimbleness with the pivot.
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Speaker 5: So I love this question because Number One, I know
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Speaker 5: people feel like right now the rug is being pulled
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Speaker 5: out from underneath them women, and I would submit to them.
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Speaker 5: It is not look at the numbers. You look at
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Speaker 5: the percentage of women who are now represented on boards. Now,
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Speaker 5: we don't have enough female CEOs. I get that, But
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Speaker 5: if you look at the pipeline, we've improved the pipeline dramatically.
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Speaker 5: And if you look at the numbers coming out of
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Speaker 5: college graduates, strong representation there. And so this is not
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Speaker 5: the time to retreat and to become afraid. That's my
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Speaker 5: first comment in terms of nimbleness. Here's a story that
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Speaker 5: I didn't tell on stage. I'll tell you what I did.
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Speaker 5: Feel like the rug was pulled underneath me.
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Speaker 6: So I was at.
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Speaker 5: Janj I had big president's job. I was running the
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Speaker 5: cardiovascular business unit. They're one of the largest ones. And
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Speaker 5: I was also the president of Jansen Pharma Puerto Rico,
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Speaker 5: and when the pandemic hit, you know, I lost my
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Speaker 5: best friend the cancer and the artists came back to me,
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Speaker 5: you know, and said, we want you to come back,
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Speaker 5: and we want you to come and run and really
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Speaker 5: turn around this oncology business. It just spoke to me,
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Speaker 5: and I said on stage it felt like a colleague.
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Speaker 5: I had to do it. So I came over and
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Speaker 5: I did it. Eight months into the role. I was
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Speaker 5: part of this nudging about the importance of the US
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Speaker 5: because Victor and I were running the US and we
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Speaker 5: were peers, and we were just trying to demonstrate that
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Speaker 5: in a global company, how important the US market was
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Speaker 5: and were we doing investing in it in the right way.
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Speaker 5: And we decided to reorganize our entire enterprise globally and
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Speaker 5: we went from a business unit set up to a
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Speaker 5: geographical setup. So that meant that it was no longer
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Speaker 5: organized by oncology and pharma. But what I had thought
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Speaker 5: and what was presented to me eight months ago, where
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Speaker 5: I left this great opportunity, great trajector at J and
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Speaker 5: J to come looked dramatically different eight months later.
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Speaker 6: And did it feel personally like the RUG had been
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Speaker 6: pulled out. It did, If I'm honest, it did.
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Speaker 5: Long story short, We led through, we reignited the business.
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Speaker 5: My scope and scale got bigger than I had ever imagined.
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Speaker 6: And then a.
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Speaker 5: Year later they asked me to step into the chief
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Speaker 5: commercial officer role and I had the entire portfolio. Had
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Speaker 5: that not happened, had I left, had I not been nimble,
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Speaker 5: had I not been able to change my mindset, maybe
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Speaker 5: I would have aborted the opportunity that was in front
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Speaker 5: of me. And now who knows what's on the table.
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Speaker 5: Since then, I've joined a corporate board. Just embracing the
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Speaker 5: opportunity and change and finding what it means for you.
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Speaker 6: What's the upshot is my advice for people.
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Speaker 1: That's great, amazing story. Thank you for telling it so
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Speaker 1: honestly and real. I think people will love that. So Denise,
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Speaker 1: how about you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Sure one of the things from a career standpoint, and
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Speaker 4: you can look on so one's LinkedIn profile and you go, oh,
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Speaker 4: they did this, they did this, and it looks like
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Speaker 4: it's this straight line. It's never that way. It is
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Speaker 4: a series of ups and downs and mountains and caverns.
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Speaker 3: And when we're in the low.
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Speaker 4: We think we're never going to get out of the
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Speaker 4: low when we're in the high or thing of the mountain. No,
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Speaker 4: it doesn't last. The reality is for many people listening
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Speaker 4: to this, you may be a change agent. And you
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Speaker 4: know what happens to change agents. You get put in
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Speaker 4: tough situations, and they're the ones that are high risk.
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Speaker 4: There's a couple of things. One is keep going. Your
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Speaker 4: mind is filled with a lot of different swear words.
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Speaker 3: Right, you keep going.
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Speaker 4: We don't let that little girl voice, oh you know what,
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Speaker 4: I might fail whatever.
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Speaker 3: No, let's go right, let's go whatever you have to
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Speaker 3: tell yourself or read.
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Speaker 4: I think the second thing is, and I would encourage everyone.
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Speaker 4: I don't care what job you're in, what company you're in.
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Speaker 4: You know you should be thinking about options. You never
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Speaker 4: want to fill locked into anything if it's the beginning
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Speaker 4: of your career, the middle whatever, because you know a
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Speaker 4: lot of people will retire from healthcare. You can have
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Speaker 4: another twenty years of serving on boards, getting degrees, open
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Speaker 4: your own consulting, whatever it is. Invest in yourself and
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Speaker 4: don't rest on any laurels because today, if you're not
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Speaker 4: studying AI, you're gonna be out of it.
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Speaker 3: Right, and so the idea.
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Speaker 4: Of constantly building skills, trying new things. Get out on
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Speaker 4: that ice sure, and make crack and whatever. But you know,
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Speaker 4: you can learn how to swim in really tough situations.
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Speaker 4: But it does take some courage. Sure, are you gonna cry?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 3: Who the hell hasn't right? Are you gonna eat that
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Speaker 3: ice cream in the freezer?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 3: But you will rise up.
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Speaker 2: That's great words of wisdom there, Denise, I would say
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Speaker 2: I've been blessed and lucky to be in the advertising
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Speaker 2: agency business. Jim can relate to this. Every day is
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Speaker 2: a day of the fight, the victory and the defeat
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Speaker 2: and the ability to create big ideas. And that's what
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Speaker 2: drives you in the agency business. And it never mattered
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Speaker 2: to us at gtfh our fearless leader Alan Gross just
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Speaker 2: loved the fight, loved the shock and awe of clients
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Speaker 2: that either bought our ideas or didn't. But the idea
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Speaker 2: of having the rug pulled out from under you. In
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Speaker 2: the agency business, that's a daily maybe even an hourly,
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Speaker 2: because you win, you pitch and you put your neck
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Speaker 2: and ego and your entire life on the line almost daily.
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Speaker 2: So that's what drives people that are in that business.
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Speaker 2: They love the thrill of victory and they can handle
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Speaker 2: the defeat. I'm not a golfer, but I think there's
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Speaker 2: a great analogy with golf that it's a game of recovery.
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Speaker 2: That's the best golfer out there, that's the best tennis player.
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Speaker 2: It's not the one who can hit the shot every
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Speaker 2: time and hit the golf. No, it's a game of recovery,
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Speaker 2: and the best people who recover the best always excel.
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Speaker 2: So when I think about the concept of even someone
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Speaker 2: pulling the rug out, it's hard for me to relate
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Speaker 2: to that because I'm always thinking. I think similar with
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Speaker 2: Denise and Reshimar are saying, Okay, what's next. We're the possibilities, Like,
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Speaker 2: look at what's going on today right now in the industry.
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Speaker 2: We are just on a board call five minutes ago.
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Speaker 2: You know what, There's a lot of lemons out there.
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Speaker 2: We can make some lemonade. There might be bigger opportunities
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Speaker 2: right now as there were in two thousand and five.
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Speaker 2: Quite frankly, when the trust was at the lowest possible EBB.
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Speaker 2: It hasn't changed that much. But what do we do.
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Speaker 2: We go back, we rekindle, we rebuild and we come
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Speaker 2: up with big ideas and that's why we're here in
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Speaker 2: this industry. We need to help the people who have
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Speaker 2: health issues and that's the driver. And so there's never
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Speaker 2: a minute to kind of feel, oh gee, maybe that
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Speaker 2: didn't work out for me today. There's something else out
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Speaker 2: there because the core capabilities that we have are so
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Speaker 2: strong and needed.
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Speaker 3: Can I add one thing?
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Speaker 4: I have to do this because you've said something and
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Speaker 4: I want to acknowledge something.
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Speaker 3: That you said. Is that is it hard? Yes. Of
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Speaker 3: the passions I have is positive psychology.
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Speaker 4: And last year I got a master's degree in the
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Speaker 4: study of happiness and.
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Speaker 3: I did it.
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Speaker 4: I serve on a lot of different boards and one
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Speaker 4: of the reasons I did is because I love culture
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Speaker 4: and you know, as a means to achieving goals. But
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Speaker 4: when you look at it, one of the things we
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Speaker 4: don't do very well in general, but certainly as women,
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Speaker 4: if we're raising children or not raising children, we might
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Speaker 4: have responsibilities.
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Speaker 3: For our parents.
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Speaker 4: You know, the list goes on and on. We don't
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Speaker 4: take care of ourselfs. And so if we understand that
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Speaker 4: we have our work and then we do have the
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Speaker 4: job of taking care of ourself. If we're not looking
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Speaker 4: at things like our physical health. If we're not looking
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Speaker 4: at whether or not we're intellectually stimulated, whether or not
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Speaker 4: we're taking time to go out with friends, our relationships,
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Speaker 4: then work is going to be doubly hard.
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Speaker 1: Let's stay with that. I wanted to ask, clearly, family
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Speaker 1: is central to the ethos of all of you as wodies.
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Speaker 1: What are the other non negotiable life actors that drive you? Religion, charity, citizenship,
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Speaker 1: having fun, happiness. I mean, thanks Denise for taking us
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Speaker 1: this direction. I want to get back to the existential
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Speaker 1: threats to healthcare. But I know Reshima, you talked about
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Speaker 1: some of it, but I'll start with Lynn. In each
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Speaker 1: of your speeches, this comes through. But what are the
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Speaker 1: things that you just aren't going to ever compromise in
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Speaker 1: this fight?
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Speaker 2: You have to start with family, and that's why we're here,
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Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, that's really all
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Speaker 2: that matters you. Yourself, Jim, have had such a terrible
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Speaker 2: tragedy this year, so maybe you'll talk about that too.
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Speaker 2: I myself lost my parents when I was very young.
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Speaker 2: I lost my mom when I had a three year
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Speaker 2: old and one year old twins. I lost two brothers,
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Speaker 2: so I understand the whole feeling of loss, and I
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Speaker 2: think now at my age and stage, it's really time
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Speaker 2: to reflect even more so on the power of love
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Speaker 2: and the power of people in my life that are
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Speaker 2: so important. I think the other big driver, though, for me,
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Speaker 2: has always been and I think it's the reason I
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Speaker 2: got the Wode nomination to begin with, is nonprofit charity.
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Speaker 2: When Kathy Justy got multimiloma, I joined her and we
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Speaker 2: started the Multi Malomba Research Foundation. And there were no
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Speaker 2: drugs back then and now there are several, and many
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Speaker 2: people live a very long life with that disease. When
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Speaker 2: my friend and client Phil Satau lost his son Jed
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Speaker 2: to suicide, I joined him for lunch a week later
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Speaker 2: and said, well, what are we gonna do? No one
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Speaker 2: even talked about suicide back then. People backed out of
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Speaker 2: the room when I said, I'm starting a foundation with
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Speaker 2: Phil Sato and his family. But again, like, how proud
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Speaker 2: am I that that organization is twenty five years in
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Speaker 2: the making. We still have a huge problem in teenage
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Speaker 2: suicide and college aged suicide, but that's why we're here.
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Speaker 2: I think that the importance in life is to be
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Speaker 2: able to contribute to society, and give back and do
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Speaker 2: it in a big way. So I'm always looking for
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Speaker 2: high impact ways that we can use our talents to
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Speaker 2: make a difference. I don't think that's ever going to stop.
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Speaker 2: And I think those are the two important things. At
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, you want to look back
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Speaker 2: and say, did I just do something for society? And
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Speaker 2: I hope the answer is yes for most people.
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Speaker 4: Your hair Denise, Well, I'm going to share with you
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Speaker 4: what I learned the drivers of happiness, and I wish
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Speaker 4: I would have known more about this and been more
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Speaker 4: disciplined when I was younger. But today, if you look
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Speaker 4: at what drives happiness, it's called spire s is spiritual.
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Speaker 4: Am I doing something that's meaningful. That could be work,
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Speaker 4: It may be volunteering, but something that.
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Speaker 3: Really it touches. You could be working with animals.
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Speaker 4: But something you say, well the man, that feels good
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Speaker 4: because you know what when we give, we get that
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Speaker 4: is one hundred percent certain. It always feels so good
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Speaker 4: to give. P is our physical health, and you know,
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Speaker 4: oftentimes we give that up. We're so busy, no flexibility,
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Speaker 4: you know, mind body connection. We have to take that
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Speaker 4: time I as intellectual stimulation.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes we can over that I want to learn more.
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Speaker 4: I want to learn more. I want to learn more,
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Speaker 4: but we only have so much energy. R is relationships
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Speaker 4: and how we're invested in those relationships, and E is
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Speaker 4: our emotional health. And sometimes we say, oh, I'm so
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Speaker 4: miserable at work. And if we go through those, is
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Speaker 4: it work or is it the combination of I'm really
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Speaker 4: not happy with this, But if you go through that,
18:21
Speaker 4: you can deduce that, you know what, I'm just bored.
18:23
Speaker 3: I am bored.
18:25
Speaker 4: And I realized that where I had challenges before is
18:29
Speaker 4: when I let go of the p the physical, or
18:33
Speaker 4: that if I just had too much anxiety in Oh
18:37
Speaker 4: my god, am I going to make it?
18:38
Speaker 3: Am I going to make it right?
18:39
Speaker 4: Because then it feel like we're in these jobs and
18:42
Speaker 4: in our careers and it feels like this race and
18:44
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, am I going to get through? The
18:46
Speaker 4: beautiful thing is when we find this balance, you know,
18:49
Speaker 4: the financial things real, right, But when we are able
18:52
Speaker 4: to find that balance and achieve some type of mas
18:56
Speaker 4: LOFs hierchary and needs, you got to get that bottom
18:58
Speaker 4: rung Okay, but when we're able to to feel that,
19:01
Speaker 4: I have to tell you so for those people that
19:02
Speaker 4: are going, oh Wow, what am I going to do
19:05
Speaker 4: when I retire from corporate? I am having the freaking
19:08
Speaker 4: time of my life.
19:09
Speaker 3: I have done so many things.
19:11
Speaker 4: I get a master's degree, I've started businesses but on
19:14
Speaker 4: twelve boards already, and I can't tell you how much
19:19
Speaker 4: fun I'm having. And you know what, The number one
19:21
Speaker 4: reason is, I don't operate from fear anymore. And what
19:25
Speaker 4: a gift that is that I wish I could give
19:28
Speaker 4: other people.
19:28
Speaker 2: Where did you get your master's Denisa?
19:30
Speaker 4: Okay, it's a new program at Centenary, which is in
19:33
Speaker 4: New Jersey, and they're just starting the PhD program, which
19:36
Speaker 4: I will probably be the oldest person. But I am
19:39
Speaker 4: really thinking about doing the PhD so I could be
19:42
Speaker 4: the doctor of happiness.
19:44
Speaker 2: I love it.
19:44
Speaker 3: I love it.
19:46
Speaker 5: So what you guys probably don't know is that I
19:48
Speaker 5: had to actually come and speak to my group at
19:52
Speaker 5: a town hall about happiness.
19:54
Speaker 6: They loved it. They loved it.
19:58
Speaker 3: Rashima, your group was so on.
20:00
Speaker 4: So I want to return the compliment because you know
20:03
Speaker 4: how you get the feeling of a group when you.
20:05
Speaker 3: Walk in like hey, is this you know, is this
20:07
Speaker 3: a good vibe?
20:07
Speaker 4: Or is this like, oh, man, I gotta sit and
20:09
Speaker 4: listen to this lady. Now I'll walk in there and
20:12
Speaker 4: these people were like in Fuego and that was all Reshima.
20:16
Speaker 3: So you're amazing.
20:17
Speaker 6: Oh, it's great and it's interesting.
20:19
Speaker 5: I had just stepped into my new role, I believe
20:20
Speaker 5: when we had that town hall and we were really
20:23
Speaker 5: trying to the team had gone through a huge reorganization
20:27
Speaker 5: and we were starting to see the light at the
20:29
Speaker 5: end of the tunnel. We knew what we were in
20:30
Speaker 5: service of and we wanted to like pour something into
20:33
Speaker 5: their well being. Right, because you're so right. You can
20:36
Speaker 5: have all the big vision, you can work very hard,
20:38
Speaker 5: you have all those things, but if you're not tending
20:40
Speaker 5: to your physical and emotional well being, you're not really
20:43
Speaker 5: serving your teams. And so I try to spend a
20:45
Speaker 5: fair amount of time doing that.
20:46
Speaker 6: And that was really great.
20:48
Speaker 5: In terms of the question that you ask, Jim, for me,
20:51
Speaker 5: it's been faith, family, then career, and for me it's
20:54
Speaker 5: been staying.
20:55
Speaker 6: True to my values as a woman of faith.
20:58
Speaker 5: And so I love what you say about the spiritual
21:00
Speaker 5: denise that's different for every person. But then my family,
21:04
Speaker 5: that is a hard stop for me around the type
21:08
Speaker 5: of mother that I wanted to be. I know the
21:10
Speaker 5: type of mother that I had. I know the type
21:12
Speaker 5: of mother she had. So I watched my grandmother, I
21:15
Speaker 5: watched my mother. I come from a family of very
21:17
Speaker 5: strong women, you know, matriarchs of the family, and it
21:21
Speaker 5: is very important for me for everybody to understand, no
21:24
Speaker 5: matter what job you're offering me, I am going to
21:27
Speaker 5: be the great mom first.
21:28
Speaker 6: I want to be a great mom and have a
21:30
Speaker 6: great career. And then people would say.
21:32
Speaker 5: Oh, but they're little, they won't remember, and then the
21:35
Speaker 5: whole thing around. And I don't know who came up
21:37
Speaker 5: with this, but it's like urban legend to me, and
21:39
Speaker 5: it's not true. All it's about the quality of time
21:43
Speaker 5: versus the quantity. It's all of it. It's all of it.
21:47
Speaker 5: It's quality when it matters, it's quantity when it matters.
21:50
Speaker 5: And I realized for me, it was about what I
21:53
Speaker 5: wanted to remember as their mother, whether they remembered it
21:56
Speaker 5: or not. I want to be able to remember because
21:59
Speaker 5: if it's something and it may have been on LinkedIn
22:01
Speaker 5: that said, you only have eighteen summers with your kids
22:06
Speaker 5: where they have to be with you. After they go
22:09
Speaker 5: to college or whatever, they may come home for the summer.
22:11
Speaker 6: They may not, but you can force them on vacation.
22:14
Speaker 5: It's summer with you because they live under your roof, right,
22:17
Speaker 5: whether they like it or not. Forced fun. But that
22:20
Speaker 5: was sobering to me. And so you know, what are
22:23
Speaker 5: you going to remember in the end and what's going
22:25
Speaker 5: to matter most? And then you said it so to me,
22:28
Speaker 5: that's been the hard stop. If there are boundaries that
22:30
Speaker 5: won't respect that, then it's not the right role or
22:32
Speaker 5: right job for me.
22:33
Speaker 6: And I'm okay with it a little bit.
22:35
Speaker 1: On faith, I saw you and Wendy before you walked out.
22:39
Speaker 1: You were it looked like you were praying. I love
22:42
Speaker 1: that personally. I thought it was really incredible. And I
22:46
Speaker 1: know for me having gone through the death of my
22:49
Speaker 1: wife this past year, and you know, after a couple
22:52
Speaker 1: of years of illness, that's how a profound impact for
22:56
Speaker 1: me is getting back to some faith and some higher
23:01
Speaker 1: power that makes you go on. And you know what
23:04
Speaker 1: we've talked about is that get on with it. You know,
23:06
Speaker 1: you've got to life goes on and you have kids
23:09
Speaker 1: and family and all those things. It feels like that's
23:14
Speaker 1: the common denominator. Knowing all of you, your fierce moms.
23:20
Speaker 1: That's your core. So before I lose you, because I
23:23
Speaker 1: know you've got to run, I wanted to ask this
23:25
Speaker 1: question because Len you brought it up. The industry is
23:28
Speaker 1: facing several existential threats on multiple fronts. We know that
23:32
Speaker 1: we see the headlines every day. What do you think
23:35
Speaker 1: life would be like if the US pharma industry went
23:39
Speaker 1: out of existence as we know it? And how can
23:41
Speaker 1: female leadership change this course? What do you think, Kshima?
23:46
Speaker 6: I'll tell you.
23:46
Speaker 5: What life is like because of the industry, and then
23:50
Speaker 5: you can deduce what life would be like if we
23:53
Speaker 5: weren't there. And it's not just the industry, but it's
23:55
Speaker 5: as a catalyst in healthcare because it's multifactorial, right with
23:59
Speaker 5: You think about the five year survival rates in cancer
24:04
Speaker 5: and how much that's improved over the years. Now we
24:08
Speaker 5: have a lot of work to do in certain cancers, pancreatics,
24:11
Speaker 5: liver others. If you look at breast cancer, prostate I
24:15
Speaker 5: can go on and on a multiple Miloma was talked
24:17
Speaker 5: about great strides and the industry isn't done yet and
24:22
Speaker 5: I've never seen such tenacity, maybe other than COVID trying
24:26
Speaker 5: to eradicate the impact of COVID, where an entire healthcare
24:30
Speaker 5: ecosystem rallies and comes together at pace to basically save society.
24:37
Speaker 5: I see that same tenacity in the area of cancer research,
24:41
Speaker 5: and so that's one we can say something's different because
24:44
Speaker 5: the industry was here. Another one is cardiovascar disease in
24:48
Speaker 5: life expectancy and mortality. It is the number one killer
24:51
Speaker 5: of people today around the world. However, we are making strides,
24:55
Speaker 5: and if we could just do more around prevention, we
24:58
Speaker 5: would make even more strides. And so we need to
25:01
Speaker 5: be here and exist. And I would say in an
25:03
Speaker 5: area where we participate multiple sclerosis, where there's also been
25:08
Speaker 5: great strides in the area of neuroscience, where how patients
25:11
Speaker 5: live and their quality of life has improved dramatically over
25:15
Speaker 5: the years, over the decades with some of the medicines
25:18
Speaker 5: including hours that have come to market. And so you
25:21
Speaker 5: just have to imagine the answer to that is what
25:24
Speaker 5: if we didn't exist, what would those numbers be? And
25:27
Speaker 5: we have a long way to go to close other
25:29
Speaker 5: health gaps in other disease areas as well.
25:32
Speaker 1: Thanks, I mean, I know no of artists is focused
25:34
Speaker 1: on all those things, and that's what you do there Lynn,
25:37
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts?
25:38
Speaker 2: Just kind of laddering up. The pharmaceutical industry has done
25:42
Speaker 2: wonderful things, but I think there's so much more that
25:46
Speaker 2: we can do helping people, addressing them, addressing the health
25:50
Speaker 2: care disparities, and also addressing the messed up system that
25:54
Speaker 2: we have. I too have. My husband has had cancer
25:59
Speaker 2: for several years. Jim and I have shared many a
26:01
Speaker 2: story about getting access to better therapies faster. There's still
26:06
Speaker 2: so much room for improvement, and I would say, right
26:09
Speaker 2: at this moment, I'm confident we're going to be able
26:12
Speaker 2: to survive some of this insanity with the tariffs and
26:15
Speaker 2: what have you. But I'd like to hear the voices
26:18
Speaker 2: of the CEOs speaking out right now and saying we're
26:22
Speaker 2: not going to tolerate this. It's just incredible the silence
26:26
Speaker 2: we're hearing or not hearing. And I think it's the
26:29
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical industry that can make the biggest impact. We have
26:32
Speaker 2: the cash, we have the marketing, we have communication expertise,
26:36
Speaker 2: we have incredible executives, and so let's marry that great science,
26:41
Speaker 2: Reshima that you brought up with incredible communication. I think
26:44
Speaker 2: that right now we need everybody in the boat and
26:47
Speaker 2: everybody speaking up to make sure that we preserve what
26:51
Speaker 2: we've developed to date and where we can go in
26:53
Speaker 2: the future.
26:54
Speaker 7: This is our time and we're up for it. And
26:57
Speaker 7: there's no scenario where we will no longer be the
27:01
Speaker 7: majority of the healthcare workforce, no scenario like this that
27:05
Speaker 7: is not going to change. So the mobilizing all the
27:09
Speaker 7: voices and working together to say no, we're not going
27:15
Speaker 7: to be quiet and let these things happen. I mean,
27:18
Speaker 7: this is where Jim and I have talked about a
27:21
Speaker 7: little bit too. What can we do, what kind of
27:25
Speaker 7: cohesive approach campaign messaging, What is it that we need
27:31
Speaker 7: to do to mobilize all the people who get it.
27:34
Speaker 7: There are way more people who get it than don't.
27:37
Speaker 7: But getting the power of all those voices together, much
27:40
Speaker 7: like we had to do with COVID, by the way,
27:43
Speaker 7: that's when we started to really see the change. And
27:45
Speaker 7: COVID was when we brought all of those different voices
27:49
Speaker 7: together from all of the lifestyles and the ethnicities and
27:54
Speaker 7: all of that. And so this is a time where
27:57
Speaker 7: I think we need to do that again in an
28:01
Speaker 7: even broader way to address what is going to happen
28:06
Speaker 7: if we keep letting things go in the direction that
28:09
Speaker 7: they're going.
28:10
Speaker 5: We should be the ones mobilizing because we are representing everyone.
28:15
Speaker 5: And when women come, that's where the equity will come in,
28:19
Speaker 5: because we will amplify the voices of all people.
28:23
Speaker 6: I feel very passionate about this.
28:24
Speaker 1: Before you leave, Roshima, I have two fun questions. If
28:28
Speaker 1: you're alone on a desert island, what album are you
28:31
Speaker 1: going to take?
28:32
Speaker 5: Ah, I'm a huge Beyonce fan, let me tell you,
28:36
Speaker 5: and I'm looking.
28:36
Speaker 6: Forward to taking my daughter to Cowboy Carter. I heard
28:39
Speaker 6: it's a great concert.
28:41
Speaker 1: And then the other one is what's the best vacation
28:43
Speaker 1: you've ever taken.
28:44
Speaker 5: There have been many places around the world, but my
28:47
Speaker 5: favorite place, my happy place is Martha Spinier. You take
28:50
Speaker 5: the family, the whole extended family goes.
28:52
Speaker 6: It's amazing. It's a little piece of magic. I love
28:54
Speaker 6: it up there.
28:55
Speaker 1: Beautiful. All right, Well, go have a great meeting.
28:57
Speaker 6: Thanks for being with us, Thank you, thank you.
29:00
Speaker 1: Denise. Listen, all right, Denise, you don't get away without
29:04
Speaker 1: that question. Bring us back.
29:06
Speaker 4: Yes, you know something that as all of us were talking,
29:10
Speaker 4: and if you think about all of the diseases and
29:13
Speaker 4: conditions and one of the things we haven't talked about.
29:17
Speaker 4: If we are an aging population, and if you look
29:20
Speaker 4: at the healthcare industry is one of the few industries
29:23
Speaker 4: that really understands what's behind.
29:26
Speaker 3: Doors in people's homes. And you know, people told their stories.
29:30
Speaker 4: My dad is ninety one and he has in stage
29:34
Speaker 4: bladder cancer. My mom has dementia. I'm caregiver for both
29:37
Speaker 4: of them. My daughter has cerebral palsy, and I just
29:40
Speaker 4: lost my brother who I was also a caregiver to
29:43
Speaker 4: what when I'm sharing with you is not unusual. It's
29:46
Speaker 4: that you know, we are major caregivers. But what comes
29:50
Speaker 4: with that is that, yes, a great caregiver. How do
29:53
Speaker 4: we again take care of ourselves? But going back to
29:56
Speaker 4: the question of well, what I like to see happen,
30:00
Speaker 4: and it's a little bit of what we lost, and
30:02
Speaker 4: it's the answer to the question, am I my brother's keeper?
30:05
Speaker 4: And if we stop caring about and stop loving as
30:10
Speaker 4: Pollyanna as that sound, and going back to my happiness work.
30:14
Speaker 3: What's the point of all this?
30:17
Speaker 4: We know you can make a ton of money and
30:20
Speaker 4: you can die with a lot of money, And what
30:22
Speaker 4: was it for? I got a bigger car, I got
30:24
Speaker 4: a bigger Those are all very temporary things. So I
30:27
Speaker 4: do think that today maybe this pain that we're feeling,
30:32
Speaker 4: and we are feeling pain, we're feeling pain globally.
30:35
Speaker 3: But we're pushing towards power.
30:37
Speaker 4: We're not pushing towards love, right, we haven't figured that
30:40
Speaker 4: out yet.
30:41
Speaker 3: You can be the hope.
30:43
Speaker 4: You can be the hope for the person in the
30:44
Speaker 4: grocery store that you smile to, or the person that
30:47
Speaker 4: you went through McDonald's and gave an extra five dollars,
30:50
Speaker 4: or someone at Instacart or someone like, hey, I can
30:52
Speaker 4: help you with that, and it amplifies.
30:55
Speaker 1: How did Woady change your trajectory, your approach, your perspective?
31:00
Speaker 1: You did things or did you just keep business as usual?
31:03
Speaker 1: This one's particular to the two of you. How did
31:06
Speaker 1: it change things from two thousand and five on?
31:08
Speaker 2: So, starting with me because I'm the two thousand and
31:10
Speaker 2: five For me, it was just a wonderful year. That
31:15
Speaker 2: year we were Agency of the year, we were acquired
31:18
Speaker 2: by WPP. The agency was on fire. I was named
31:22
Speaker 2: CEO when I was thirty six. That was pretty young.
31:25
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and this.
31:26
Speaker 2: Year my mother died, so I was able to tell
31:28
Speaker 2: her before she died, which was pretty powerful. She was
31:31
Speaker 2: a really successful woman. What it changed is it just
31:34
Speaker 2: made the world look bigger, you know. I mean, I
31:36
Speaker 2: think the importance in the significance it was a platform.
31:40
Speaker 2: As I said, what I tried to do that next
31:42
Speaker 2: year was go around and speak to as many people
31:44
Speaker 2: as they possibly could. And then after that we set
31:47
Speaker 2: up an annual event where all the women of the
31:50
Speaker 2: year got together every year prior to Wodhie. I know
31:53
Speaker 2: they weren't able to do it this year, but we
31:54
Speaker 2: would have a dinner together and really kind of talk
31:57
Speaker 2: about and pass the baton and say again and the
32:00
Speaker 2: significance and the power of having that position to be
32:04
Speaker 2: able to influence that many women and that many people
32:06
Speaker 2: in the industry was quite powerful and you know, humbling.
32:11
Speaker 2: That's what it's done for me. And I think Denise
32:13
Speaker 2: said this in the beginning of the conversation. You know,
32:15
Speaker 2: it's just so amazing how people will walk up to
32:17
Speaker 2: you and remember something you said that day. My platform
32:21
Speaker 2: there was we've got to bring the trust back in
32:23
Speaker 2: the industry, and people still remember it, so you know,
32:26
Speaker 2: there's incredible opportunity to influence others, create mentorships help people.
32:33
Speaker 2: And my most proud moment I think right now where
32:36
Speaker 2: I sit is looking at the number of people and Jim,
32:39
Speaker 2: this goes back to starting with you at GTFH when
32:41
Speaker 2: you joined the agency by storm, and it's just like wow,
32:46
Speaker 2: Like that's what you want to think about. You know
32:48
Speaker 2: that you made an impact on people's careers and those
32:51
Speaker 2: people are so powerful like yourself. Just an out of
32:55
Speaker 2: the box think or no boundaries ability to create anything.
33:00
Speaker 2: That's what gets you up in the morning. So I'm
33:02
Speaker 2: so happy that you invited me, Jim, and I just
33:04
Speaker 2: am also so blown away by your success in your career.
33:08
Speaker 2: It's been incredible.
33:09
Speaker 1: Thanks, I mean, and it's a great opportunity to say
33:12
Speaker 1: thank you to you, Lenn. I mean. GTFH was absolutely
33:15
Speaker 1: the model that I looked at when I created what
33:19
Speaker 1: has become real chemistry. It was my formative experience and
33:23
Speaker 1: your guts and your straightforwardness is something I know I've
33:29
Speaker 1: gotten knocked around about, you know, and the other person
33:32
Speaker 1: that shared it was my prior mentor, Beverly Simons, who
33:35
Speaker 1: you know from the PR world. But what you created there,
33:39
Speaker 1: it's just something I just want to say. Thanks. That's
33:41
Speaker 1: really it. But you can't get away without answering this question.
33:45
Speaker 1: What's the album that you're going to take on a
33:47
Speaker 1: desert island.
33:49
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what.
33:49
Speaker 4: I listened to so much stuff, I guess if I
33:51
Speaker 4: had to pick one, it's probably Stevin Nick's greatest.
33:54
Speaker 1: It's good one, great one.
33:56
Speaker 3: Because who doesn't love Landslide? Right? Yes, I got me right.
34:03
Speaker 1: Well, we played that at my my wife's funerals. Yeah,
34:07
Speaker 1: totally got it right.
34:09
Speaker 4: I saw a concert like I don't know, eight years ago.
34:11
Speaker 4: There she was, you know, she's getting older. Man, she's
34:14
Speaker 4: still spinning around in that dress and everything, like, man,
34:17
Speaker 4: you are so now.
34:18
Speaker 2: I saw in San Francis, amazing.
34:20
Speaker 3: It's so cool.
34:22
Speaker 4: And then, oh, my favorite vacation I've had, like some
34:25
Speaker 4: that were amazing before our daughter was born, but it
34:29
Speaker 4: had to be where Sierra's name came from, which was
34:32
Speaker 4: doing a mountaineering trip where I've never done mountaineering in
34:35
Speaker 4: my life, and so it was in the Sierra Mountains
34:38
Speaker 4: and that's where Sierra's name comes from.
34:40
Speaker 1: And it's great, awesome.
34:41
Speaker 7: I like all genres of music, but one that I've
34:44
Speaker 7: been listening to a lot is C. C. Wining's and
34:47
Speaker 7: she has been around so long, yes, and has been
34:51
Speaker 7: doing this for I don't know, probably forty years. And
34:54
Speaker 7: the fact that she now has new albums coming out
34:58
Speaker 7: that are going to the top of the chart, that's
35:00
Speaker 7: cool as much as she did when she was singing
35:04
Speaker 7: with her brother years ago. So that's one that I'm
35:07
Speaker 7: really listening to a lot, just because of what's going on,
35:11
Speaker 7: this whole idea of the balance optimism and staying positive
35:15
Speaker 7: and hopeful. But I like Prince, I like Michael Jackson,
35:18
Speaker 7: I like the dance.
35:20
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, favorite vacation.
35:21
Speaker 7: My favorite vacation is actually Mexico. I love going to
35:26
Speaker 7: Mexico and I love the food, I love the dancing,
35:30
Speaker 7: I like the just the ambiance.
35:33
Speaker 1: I just love going there.
35:34
Speaker 2: Lynn, I love the dance. And my favorite person in
35:37
Speaker 2: the world is Stevie Wonder So songs in the Key
35:40
Speaker 2: of Life and Knocks Me off my Feet is probably
35:42
Speaker 2: my favorite song. But his music just speaks to me
35:45
Speaker 2: and it's just so much fun. So that's my album.
35:48
Speaker 2: In your Vacation, My vacation. It's so hard to pick,
35:51
Speaker 2: but I think I'm a tennis fanatic. I don't know
35:54
Speaker 2: if you've heard that, but I go to all the
35:55
Speaker 2: Tennis and the Australian had been a few times because
35:58
Speaker 2: we had an office there, so it was so convenient
36:00
Speaker 2: to be able to visit the office in January. So yeah,
36:03
Speaker 2: taking the road south from Melbourne along the sea there
36:07
Speaker 2: and seeing the Seven apostles in the ocean and the
36:10
Speaker 2: kangaroos and what have you. I think Australia is quite beautiful. Wow, incredible.
36:14
Speaker 1: I've never been.
36:14
Speaker 2: I want one of my favorites. I can't say it's
36:16
Speaker 2: the favorite, but it's one of those ones that you
36:19
Speaker 2: wake up in the morning you can visualize that.
36:21
Speaker 6: Yeah, those are.
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Speaker 7: Two of our newest chapters in Sydney and Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: Yes, go have our big celebration there.
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Speaker 1: Well, i'd say Mary, your biggest impact too has been
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Speaker 1: getting us, you know, the HbA more international, so good
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Speaker 1: for Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you when we do Australia, Jim, so
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Speaker 7: you can go too, because I'd never been.
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Speaker 1: I want to go. You know, I'll go anywhere with you,
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Speaker 1: and I always make it fine. Mary, I earned my trip.
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Speaker 2: So Jim, tell us what it meant to be an
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Speaker 2: honorable mentor.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean what I can tell you is I
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Speaker 1: think it really was a complete surprise. And I think,
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Speaker 1: like all of you, you don't really think what you
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Speaker 1: do by muscle memory. I think Lynn, you would never say, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was a mentor to Jim White. I
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Speaker 1: don't think you would know that per se and you
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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't say it because you don't know it when
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Speaker 1: you're just in the grind. And that's what all of
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Speaker 1: you have been. You're in the grind. You just keep
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Speaker 1: going and you keep adding to the list of things
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Speaker 1: that you accomplish and do and make happen. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's how I see it. It's just to me,
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Speaker 1: it raised the bar, raised the bar even more. What's
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Speaker 1: the point of going down, right, Let's just climbing up.
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Speaker 1: Climbing up, there's more people to impact. So then I
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Speaker 1: decided this past week when I came back, speaking of impact,
37:43
Speaker 1: you know, I went ahead and texted some of the
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Speaker 1: political folks that I know, because we got to get
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Speaker 1: them to understand what we do for the world.
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Speaker 6: I'm in.
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Speaker 2: If you need a volunteer there, yes, no, we'll do.
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Speaker 1: More of it. And today was very motivating and I
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Speaker 1: think that really the HbA is unique suited to really
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Speaker 1: show many who don't, who just may not understand that
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Speaker 1: the impact healthcare and pharma can make in a positive
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Speaker 1: way in the world. Denise, by the way, just such
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Speaker 1: a great time talking to you. I feel better, I
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Speaker 1: feel happy.
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Speaker 2: I want to get that degree in happiness right which.
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Speaker 2: By the way, Denise, I found an email I sent
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Speaker 2: to you the day after your speech.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's a trip.
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Speaker 6: Is that funny?
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Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, going to read into you, Denise, I'm
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Speaker 8: still smiling. Oh it was absolutely fabulous, And I've got
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Speaker 8: to say, you really are a badass. Your story and
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Speaker 8: journey overcoming major hurdles, always reaching, never seeing boundaries has
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Speaker 8: clearly made an exceptional leader out of you and a
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Speaker 8: wonderful human being.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing your balance optimism with all of
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Speaker 2: us today, which it was. I can still and all
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Speaker 2: the best to you on your victory lap next.
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Speaker 4: You.
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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much, and thank you for letting
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Speaker 1: me into your world. I feel very honored. Hey, everyone,
39:18
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me on the Get Real podcast. You know,
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