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Episode 287: Midway (SG-A 4.17) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode two hundred and eighty seven talking
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  Speaker 1: some Stargate Atlantis mitched.
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  Speaker 2: Maddy, sorry, just put on my pants back on?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean okay for some behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: We are once again in my home recording booth aka
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  Speaker 1: my spare room aka my in law's bedroom. I guess
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  Speaker 1: you could put it all then love shack, the love shack,
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  Speaker 1: belove shack, because I just.
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  Speaker 2: Noticed the photo of them in the tissue box on
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  Speaker 2: the side table.
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  Speaker 1: That all of a lot, both of those things do
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  Speaker 1: actually exist. Yeah, weird when my mom comes over and
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  Speaker 1: sleeps in this bed, because then she would look to
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  Speaker 1: the side and see a photo of you know, the
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  Speaker 1: other grandparents of the family. No photos of my mother
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  Speaker 1: exist in this house in a displayable position. That's look
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  Speaker 1: by the by.
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  Speaker 2: Not how you got four kids. Basically what anyway picture
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  Speaker 2: of you in the house you wouldn't be to have sex.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it makes sense again. I asked you last week
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  Speaker 1: not to bring swingers and the idea of my wife
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  Speaker 1: and I having a session in the same house as
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  Speaker 1: my inlaws having a session, and now you've went your mum,
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  Speaker 1: you having set like, come on, mate, let's clean this up.
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  Speaker 1: We need to be in the studio. There's just a
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  Speaker 1: level of professionalism that comes with being in a multimillion
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  Speaker 1: dollar studio. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, make jokes about my mum, Mitch.
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  Speaker 1: Ah Well, you am immortal diplomatic immunity. I would like
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  Speaker 1: to say some stuff about this episode, but let's just
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  Speaker 1: read this now first and then we can talk about it. Tilks,
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: that's right to ok, I go go shut up. Tilk's
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  Speaker 1: attempts to calm Ronan during a critical io a interview fail.
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  Speaker 1: But far more threatening than Ronan's temper is a Wraith
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  Speaker 1: plan to attack the Midway station, written by Carl Binderbinder
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  Speaker 1: and directed by Andy Mkida Machaida. I really wish they
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  Speaker 1: would actually like change their names to hyphenate on paper,
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  Speaker 1: it would look exactly the same. Pronunciation is where it
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  Speaker 1: comes into it.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: What? What do you think? Baby? As anyone that's on
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  Speaker 1: our Patriot, I would have seen, you know, do I
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  Speaker 1: do some video teasers my immediate reaction to some Stargate
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  Speaker 1: Atlantis episodes, and this week I actually while I was
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  Speaker 1: watching the episode for the first time live, I recorded
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  Speaker 1: over the opening credits and just like I had.
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  Speaker 2: To get it out there. I didn't even know this existed.
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  Speaker 1: I just told me, I gave you a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of shit because I'm like, I gave you credits in
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  Speaker 1: the way of saying fuck you, Maddie, because what a
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: handful of episodes ago. Ronan is on Earth and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't for the first time, but it was the first
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  Speaker 1: time that we really get to see it or you know,
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  Speaker 1: like he's there for an extended amount of time. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know, he had to go through the SGC.
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  Speaker 1: What a what a missed opportunity that we didn't get
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  Speaker 1: to see, like Ronan meat tealk. I would have loved that.
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  Speaker 1: And you were like, yeah, you know what, it would
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  Speaker 1: have been nice. But you played that off like to
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  Speaker 1: an Oscar level worthy acting performance.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've had I've had nearly a decade. I
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  Speaker 2: ruined so many things you have.
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  Speaker 1: But it was incredible because here I was there and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I've brought some help in and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: who's it going to be? And I think I was
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: assuming it was going to be someone and not like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they brought over Wolsey right for reasons that
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  Speaker 1: I think he may have bigger plants to play in
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta's as a filter that I don't know that like
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  Speaker 1: we're going to start, you know, soft reintroducing him, because
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  Speaker 1: we've already had moments of him along the way recently
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  Speaker 1: season or seasons that we're starting to like open up
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  Speaker 1: to him a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: And when we've reintroduced, well, they're not re interests. We've
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  Speaker 2: introduced the new character in this one of Coolidge being
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  Speaker 2: the new big bad that would normally be Woolsey.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, And so we bring over Wolsey for that IOWA
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  Speaker 1: adjacent sort of like connection and have him there as
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  Speaker 1: a way of like, well, it's somewhat annoying. Who's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be someone to calm him down, to help
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  Speaker 1: train him, but it's going to be, you know, Wolsey
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  Speaker 1: starting to soften to us and be that sort of
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  Speaker 1: like midway point between Atlanta and our activities there and
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  Speaker 1: the actual IOA and everyone back in the government all
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  Speaker 1: that sort of shit. So that's what I was assuming.
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  Speaker 1: And when I see Christopher Judge walk at Man, I
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  Speaker 1: like grinned. I'm like in a way that I rarely do,
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  Speaker 1: like just genuine joy, like I'm happy a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the time. I think I get around like I'm a
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  Speaker 1: pretty joyous person. I'm a very positive I'm optimistic. But
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  Speaker 1: that was just like a childlike grin when I see
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  Speaker 1: fucking Teal walk through. Man, holy shit, that made me
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  Speaker 1: so happy.
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  Speaker 2: Because you have to think about it, like he was
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  Speaker 2: in the start of this season, but it was you know,
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  Speaker 2: he had that little cameo in episode two or three whatever,
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  Speaker 2: it was reunion, but it was just normal till it.
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  Speaker 1: Was just for Cardo. It was it was not like
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  Speaker 1: SG one adjacent, they.
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  Speaker 2: Were still on They're still at the SGC. It was
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  Speaker 2: him saying goodbye and good luck to Carter and all
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, you know, ark of truth that
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  Speaker 2: only just wrapped up, you know, all that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: This is the first time Tilk's been to Atlantis because
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  Speaker 2: if you remember, in the Pegasus Project in season ten
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  Speaker 2: of SG one, Tilk was the only one that stayed
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  Speaker 2: in the Milky Way. He stayed in the little in
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  Speaker 2: his little cloaked cargo ship next to the Supergate. So
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  Speaker 2: we've never got to see him on Atlantis. And the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he rocks in and he's wearing his robes
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  Speaker 2: and because you know, he's no longer tilk in universe,
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  Speaker 2: like he's no longer working for you know, MGM or
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  Speaker 2: the Stargate franchise. He's grown his hair out. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they make a mention of it, you know that it's
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  Speaker 2: very Earth and all that kind of stuff. They still
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  Speaker 2: find a way to put the people of pew Streak
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  Speaker 2: back in, but the way he just rocks in and
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  Speaker 2: it it just felt right. It makes sense too, like
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  Speaker 2: he would be the one to come in. I kind
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  Speaker 2: of wish they did this like two seasons ago, when
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  Speaker 2: Roan was first sort of brought in.
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  Speaker 1: I think what I appreciate about them doing it now
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  Speaker 1: not that they had the choice to do it two
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  Speaker 1: seasons ago they're like, no, it's wait till season four.
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  Speaker 1: But just in hindsight, I guess what I appreciate on
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  Speaker 1: its own, but especially they made us wait, is that
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  Speaker 1: you know, Ronan fits in the team now he's there.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like he's still questioning whether or not he
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  Speaker 1: should leave. I know he had that you know episode
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  Speaker 1: what late season three, early season four whenever it was
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  Speaker 1: when he met up with these Seteed in mates that
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  Speaker 1: you know, there was a question raised there. But basically
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  Speaker 1: since he's been on the show, he's been part of
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  Speaker 1: the team, and he wants to stick around with us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's a bit rough around the edges and
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  Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: he's got his place and that is the role that
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  Speaker 1: he that he fills within the team. So for Carter
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  Speaker 1: to take him in and he's training, and I'm the
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  Speaker 1: art Tilk's gonna love the fact that he's this warrior.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna appreciate his techniques, is his tenacity,
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  Speaker 1: his endurance, all this sort of stuff. The fact that
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: he isn't alien but willing to help the people of
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  Speaker 1: Earth in their mission against this galactic bad guy. Like
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  Speaker 1: he's going to see so many similarities because there are,
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  Speaker 1: and he's going to really respond to him. And then Ronan,
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  Speaker 1: for no reason whatsoever, just did not respond to him.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, hang on, wait what And so the idea,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, well, we because we love Tilk, we assume
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  Speaker 1: that Ronan is going to love Tilk, or at least
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  Speaker 1: he's going to be open to it. And the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you would almost accept this more if it was
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  Speaker 1: in an SG one episode, because it's like, well, we
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  Speaker 1: love Tielk and tilkcause here and his other guy's being
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  Speaker 1: a dick to Tilk. It's like, no, no, no, there's
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  Speaker 1: a main character of this show being a dicked to
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  Speaker 1: a guest star. We should really resonate more or side
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  Speaker 1: more with Ronan in that moment. It's like, yeah, bro,
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  Speaker 1: you don't be doing that Tilk. Tilk's the man. You
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  Speaker 1: don't want to with him because he's earned his stripes, right.
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  Speaker 1: And so I actually kind of like that after two
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  Speaker 1: or and now the end of the third season of
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  Speaker 1: having Ronan, that all the expectations about what that might
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  Speaker 1: be were just completely thrown at the door, and it
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're going to spend most of their
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: time together just forming a relationship, let alone building on
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  Speaker 1: a very quickly established one. So like, okay, let me go,
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  Speaker 1: because like I thought about Rees in this episode of
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  Speaker 1: Reese never saw Ronan, Like he's never known Ronan because
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  Speaker 1: he was never would hang on No, Reese is a
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  Speaker 1: part of the first episode of Atlantis right now season two,
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  Speaker 1: but so he never he's never seen Ronan obviously, like
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  Speaker 1: you know Link, you know, Link's always got these characters
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  Speaker 1: that he lives in movies, and we can go and
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: watch a movie without Link and go. That would be
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  Speaker 1: Link's favorite character. That guy there, obviously Links Guy is
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  Speaker 1: Ronan Links Guy's tilk, right, But I'm going to be
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: Reese for this moment because Reese isn't here. Ten hearts man,
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, I okay. I was watching this on my
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  Speaker 1: laptop and and I.
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: Just like all the other poon you watched, sure, because
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  Speaker 2: this is.
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  Speaker 1: Essentially pawn And I'm just like, you know, what, do
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  Speaker 1: I stop?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: And I was, you know, I was doing stuff nothing
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  Speaker 1: that kept my attention off the actual screen. But at
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: the same time, I was watching it on a far
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: too small of a viewing space, and I'm like, I.
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: Couldn't handle all those biceps.
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: I think I need to stop and watch this on
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  Speaker 1: a big screen just to fully appre and I will.
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: I will absolutely go, and maybe sooner rather than later,
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: go back and rewatch this. You know, behind you in
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: a different room, but the wall that you're sharing with
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: the adjacent room there is an eighty five inch TV.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I'll be watching that shit on because I
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: want to in the dark at nighttime with headphones on.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: I want to appreciate this. A forty two minute action
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: movie on TV that it is because Okay, last week
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: I said as much as it kind of annoyed me
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: for maybe two thirds of it. The third that I
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: really did resonate with with last week last week's episode
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  Speaker 1: was that it was a science y type without or like,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't experimental. There wasn't a lot of like data
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  Speaker 1: and stuff that they're having to work with. It was
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: just like, hey, human solving a human problem. We are here,
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: we need to get there. How do we do it
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  Speaker 1: with physical things? And like almost you know, basic sort
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: of level problem solving in a way. And that's what
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: I liked was that it was small and where we're
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: diving back into that version of this show where it's
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: about it's about people, it's about problems and how do
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: we solve them. It doesn't need to be this like
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: shoot them up thing, let's blow stuff up, Whereas this
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: episode was like that, we're going to give you the
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: antithesis of last week and that's all we're going to be.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: And to see the two of them more so through
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: the SGC, but a little bit of midway, but certainly
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: through the SGC where they got went and got like
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: the biggest guns they could find like shit that would
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: bring down planes and just just like the two biggest
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: Kisma show and they had just like it was like
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: there in god mode IDKFA on Doom, they were in
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: god mode walking through just like mowing down Wraith. You
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: know what do we.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: Call the faces the drones?
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the drones, the brainy faces, and they were just
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: expendable fodder. And I fucking loved every minute of it.
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  Speaker 1: It was so good. And again for like the most
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: basic bitch reasons, like oh we get two big strong
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  Speaker 1: men with big weapons who go through and punch them
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  Speaker 1: and shoot them and kill bad guys. Rah. But I
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: don't give a fuck mate, I don't give a shit.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it. I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: I would very much like to have a weapon such
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  Speaker 3: as this.
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  Speaker 1: Get mine, Yes, yes, like I was waiting for. You know,
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: once you're in the SGC and talk stealing with some
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: zats and I'm like, don't shoot him onnth bro hit him,
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: double tap him, triple tap them. I know you don't
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: do that anymore. We don't do that in the show,
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  Speaker 1: But like, show Ronan what these things do? Give him
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  Speaker 1: a staff weapon, Like I want to see a moment
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: where you know, we we meole me and whatever. The
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: break is called storm Breaker in Avengers Endgame, where all
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: of a sudden we swapped weapons and yeah, Tilk's get
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: around with that with Ronan's little death cannon and uh.
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  Speaker 2: It's called it. I saw it was the Magnum something
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  Speaker 2: or something magnets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know we've seen that it's powerful before,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like they emphasized it more in this episode,
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  Speaker 1: Like especially the moment where uh, Tilk was up against
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: the wall and then Ronan's busted in taking down a
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: few others, and then he shoots the bloke that was
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: holding a knife against Teak or you know, about to
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: strangling whatever it was going on, and it was almost
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: like even though we saw him from the front, it's like,
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure his whole back just exploded, Like Ronan
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: sitting there holding up the whole front exploding, like I
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: just had not only did I record a thing for Patreon,
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: like over the credit, because usually I'm like at the
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: end of the episode I recorded, only he's like he's
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: like thirty seconds. It's like it's like an early preview
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: if as if it was important, but like, hey, this
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: is what I just thought. Our podcast comes out this week.
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  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. You know that's that's that's all. I
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: did it obvious in the opening credits, and then at
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: the end of the episode, I had to do another
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: one just to say yes, yes, yes, I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I then felt like ringing Lincoln and be like, bro,
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: I just on Midway, holy shit, man like, and then
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: like jump on our chat with Brendan and be like,
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  Speaker 1: it's finally happened. I'm saying, Midway, I can only issue
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  Speaker 1: I hope.
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  Speaker 2: Only seventeen years later.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're over fifteen, We're coming up on twenty
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: minutes in this episode, and I haven't let you speak once.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying how much I love it. I'm fully
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: prepared for you to go. Nah. It was just toxic
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: masculinity going to one thousand. I hate it. I hate it.
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: I hate it. My worst episode of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't know, yeah, man, you know I call
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  Speaker 2: it Midway because it's me. No, No, I'm so glad.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you.
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  Speaker 1: Holly.
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  Speaker 2: I googled it. It's his weapon is It's never referred
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  Speaker 2: to him in the show, but I guess in scripts
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. It's referred to as the particle magnum. Oh brilliant,
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: because we know Ronan uses magnums, so you know, yeah, no,
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: this this is and I think this is why, like
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: what this is, I think the definitive episode, Like when
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: when I was sort of not looking forward to doing
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: season four, Brendan being like, but bro trio midway and
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I know, we've got to get through so
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: much like there's high highs, and I think because this
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: is a you know, twelve out of ten hards, it
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  Speaker 2: just it makes those other episodes that I don't like
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  Speaker 2: as much feel worse than they are because this is
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: so good. Like I just love the fact that I
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: feel like it's it was probably an answer to the
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: fandom in that you know who would win, who would
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: win between in a fight between Yeah and Ronan and
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: you realize that it's like they both just keep going,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like they literally are like
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: there's people taking bets on them. Ado No, man, I
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: had to. I had to stop myself. Otherwise I would
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: have had the audio for the entire freaking episode.
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  Speaker 1: Which is the moment it's like, hell, they been doing
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: this about an hour like an hour. Yeah, they haven't stopped,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: just like, and I'm like, nah, that wouldn't like obviously
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: that couldn't happen. But then when it's like okay, stop
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: and then they kept going, then they stopped, and then
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: they kept going. Carter's standing in the middle of it. Yeah,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: it's like got blood pissing out of his head.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: And all they do for her to say when she
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: says stop, he they must both mean, oh so we
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: can't use sticks anymore. Yeah, they just start wailing on each.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Other like children. God damn, it's like kids at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, what what I love it. It's something you
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: referred to early about twenty minutes ago when you started
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: talking is Yeah, it's Ronan not automatically being like oh,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: because you know, Tilk is the honorable warrior, you know.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Whereas if Tilk was Tilk being introduced to Ronan, he
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: recogniz him as as a fellow warrior, so Tilk comes
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: to him with respect. Whereas I feel like with Ronan,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: it's true to his character. You have to earn it
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: with him. He's got being a runner for so long,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: he's got trust issues up the wazoo. Even when we
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: first meet him, you know, and and we're trying to
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: help him and saying we can, we can pull the
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: tracker out of his you know, that's all done at gunpoint,
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: you know, because he he can't trust And the reason
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: he's so close with John is because John earned that trust.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: And by the end of this episode, when the two
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: of them have gone through this, that's how Tilk has
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: earned Ronan's trust and now that that respect is there,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: and so I think that's that's very true to the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: both of them, is trust has to be earned and
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: proved with with Ronan, So I really really like that.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: And he was very very much soft like when he
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: came out of the meeting with Coolidge, you know, he
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: was he was more himself. He was you know, chilled
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: and relaxed and laughing and smirky with with Tilkh and
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, which yeah, which absolutely loved.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I do. There's a part of me that wishes more
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: of it took place on Midway rather than going back
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: to the SGC. But like what you were saying, with
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the amount of weapons and guns and the stuff that
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: they were firing would have put a hole in the
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: side of Midway, So they had to go back to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: the SGC just so that they had a little more room,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: you know, And I think it obviously, you know, up
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the stakes by this is the first time we've seen
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Wraith make it to Earth, Like Wraith breached the gate room.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: That's something they've been trying to do for almost four
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: years now.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Well you think even ten years worth of SG one
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: and you know, we've had the Goulds, We've had a
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: bunch of other threats make it through, all ones that
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: we've brought back as as friends or as you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: injured you know, strangers and that you know when they're
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: all friends that have turned you know and had to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: try and to you know, fight their way out to escale.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: But we've never I don't we've kind at least to
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: this level of like you know, violence or numbers. We've
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: never had the SGC under this kind of threat before.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Like they okay, they had the codes to be able
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to you know, have the iris opened device goes through,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: knocks everybody out, the Wraiths one on through and they're
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: not like trying to take over the base. They're trying
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to leave. They're trying to get out. They're trying to
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: get up and start getting onto the surface and just
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe then establish themselves, come back and then
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: then then start some shit. Or they're the first wave
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: once the second wave or the third wave come through,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: they're the ones that take control of the base while
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: everyone else is up there and go on for an
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: absolute feast and whatever town is around Shian Mountain. So
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and not to a detriment of SG one either, I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: would say, it's not like, oh, well, this is doing
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: an invasion or a break in of SGC better than
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: SG one ever did. So therefore SG one didn't do
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: it properly. You know. It was like no, no, no,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that they did it in the ways that they needed
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: to do it. This story needed this to happen. And
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I know that the fighting didn't star in the Pegasus Galaxy,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: but the story is, the idea of the story starts
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: in the Pegasus Galaxy. Then a good chunk of it
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: takes place in the midway and all the action, the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: fighting and midway, then it gets brought to earth in
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: this like one continuous story. It just felt epic. And
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like this again because so much emphasis is put
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: on the action. I'm like, this could have been like
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a mini movie or something in a way like if
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they would have made an Atlantis movie at this point,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be that the one that they never
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: did to wrap up the series, but just as like
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: its own not ark of truth because that come out afterwards.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: But like between seasons four and five, it's like, hey, fans,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: guess what we're gonna treat you to a two hour film. Sure,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it's essentially two and a half episodes, and then we
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: just make it a two man show. It's not even
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: it for Atlantis fans. It's for Stargate fans, and we're
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: just gonna give you Ronan and we're going to give
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you Tilk and put them as a buddy coop action movie.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Go for it like die Hard in Space. Like holy shit.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: It was just it's just kind of what we not
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: needed because again, you're watching it and you're saying, you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: season four and five are you're lower points of Stargate Atlantis.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: For me watching it the first time, I'm not seeing
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: this mad dip or anything. There's stuff that I don't like,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: but I'm not like pushing my way through season four
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: or five. But you know, to Rugby League references, Maddie,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a handful of weeks ago, my Mighty Bristom Broncos they're
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: going through a real struggle town. We came up against
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the bottom dwelling team and then we absolutely pumped them.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And it's like, you don't get a lot of, you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: positiveness in a way. You don't get it out of
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: beating like a bad team or a team that's going badly.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: But sometimes just to feel better, you need to come
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: out and put some points on the board in a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: really fun, sexy way. And that's what they did playing footy,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and I think that's what this show did again, not
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: that it needed to bounce back, but it's like, you
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: know what stuff, the cerebral sort of stuff. Let's just
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: put big guns in the hands of big guys who
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: don't say a lot and grunt their way through like
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: they are straight out of the eighties action like masculinity
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: side of your Commandos and your Predators and your Cobras
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and Slice Salan and anything Arnie did from that ear
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Chuck Norris, Steven Segal. Let's just have these two guys
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: going up against faceless I mean very much literal and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in this episode faceless bad guys and just has some
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: fun with it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, if my beloved Peter Delaweze had
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: directed this episode, he would have literally had them do
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: like the the like the the Arnold Sorsnigger and Paul
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Creed what's his name?
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeahs from Predator where they do like the the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: like of a high fight.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Insn of a bitch and the flex and they flex
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the biceps and they push in like I feel like
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: he would have done that, but yeah, yeah, right, It
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: just it is good to just have a fun episode
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: like this where it's just like a shoot him up,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: because yeah, it works for these characters. I think you
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: don't notice it during the episode, but only afterwards do
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you go and I think, yeah, if they've done like
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a little movie, like you saying, that's where you can
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: bring in your general Landry's or your Cam Mitchell's and
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: they can have little moments in that. But for a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: budget television, while I'm watching it, I didn't go always
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Cam well when you could even say SG ones on whatever,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: but without without tilk obviously, but then you go all
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: where's Landry? And yeah, so that, but I don't think
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: about it during the vala.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: It's like you're go get one person, Oh god, you
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: get till it's like, oh now we'll take that again.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: This is great.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Imagine the sectually windos Vala be doing. If she was
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: in between Ronan and.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Till, nothing you'd get done or be taken seriously.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: The Oreo jokes right there.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like they I feel like they missed a
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: moment where they went and found Coolidge in it looked
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like the briefing room, right, Yeah, and that they didn't
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: have an extra at the head of the table in
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: just like a business shirt quite well filled out with
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: like some you know, dark gray hair in a.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Crew cut style, zipped up leather jacket.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like face down on the table, have an
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: extra that looks like bow Bridges, and then you could
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: have been like, holy shit, that's Landry, but we don't
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: get him in this episode, Like just to make it
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: feel a little bit more real.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, surely they could still have access to his photo
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: double even if bow Bridges isn't available. Yeah, you could
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: use this photo double.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You know, give us a boat one man movie where
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: like you just see Superman fly Pass or something like that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: That's real. We don't have to see, we don't have
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to acknowledge it, but just know that this all exists
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: in the same space.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: It was a little convenient that, you know, Coolidge was
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the first and only one to wake up in that group,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: like you know, but it is what it is. Something
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I thought was interesting is no audio commentary for this episode.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I was just looking at the special features
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: list because I was looking to, you know, rather than
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: go to my notes about who wrote and directed it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's got it's got nothing. It's got stuff
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: about Kindred and Kidred part two. Man, so may maybe
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: they couldn't get Chris.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe they wanted to get Chris Jarge or Mamala and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: they weren't available, but also.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Could have done him. Yeah, well you're not available. But
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: like you know, spoken on behalf of them.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I kind of feel like in a way,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: it's just a way of just going it's a mic drop,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't need a commentary.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: What we want to talk about here. Look at how
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: handsome they are, look at their muscles.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: But the fun part is so Chris Judge when he
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: came at the start of the season and did that
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: little cameo in Reunion, he did that as a favorite production.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: He was paid scale for that, Like he wasn't paid
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: his rate he was paid, you know, a tiny, tiny
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: amount of what a normal guest star would get as
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: a favor to the production because they wanted that scene
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: and it just wasn't in the budget for that episode,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: and Joe Malotzi basically said, well, as a thank you,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: he promised to write him a full episode where they
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: could come back and pay him, you know, his full
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: rate to to sort of make up for it and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Oh that's true.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was a really cool way to
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: do it, Like the fact that Chris, Like, had Chris
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Judge not done that that favor, they may never have
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: been like, oh, we need to fine an episode with
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Tilk or anything like that.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: So you think the latest stages of Essue, there was
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: obviously a lot of action that Tilk's still had to do.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: But you know, he was very much in that diplomacy
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: era of Tilk's journey where he was trying to be
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you know, part of the the ja'afar, you know, not
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: even head counsel, but just part of you know, the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: decision making process, and it'd be advising of people, helping
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the people, being the face of it if he had to.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: And so it was like if we get him in
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the robes, well, we're not going to see a lot
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of action because we had to get him out of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: those roads. Whereas in this one, like he it was
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: like they threw in three extra layers. Like he looked.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: He looked the business walking around. It might have been
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: like you're adding to it, but he just looked I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: don't know, like.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Well, and given that Mamo, like Tilk's always been the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: biggest one on set, and you see Mamo is like
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: a full like six inches taller than him. You know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: there's a little bit.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Of a high difference. I was like, oh shit, you're
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: not making till Hook small, but you're not making him
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: look a lot And like i'd say Christopher Judge would
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: still like size wise.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like and that's the thing. He's thick and he
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: was big in his tone.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Even I'm watching this every week, it still catches
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: me off guard to see a young Jason Momoa and
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: like he's fit, but he's not bulky like he is nowadays.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: No, like his arms like he would you'd say, you
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: would probably like a swimmers build, you know, doesn't He's
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: not ripped and shredded or anything like that. He just
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: has a toned kind of swimmers.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Build, which makes sense obviously, like if he was gonna
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: if he's going to remain fit and muscle, you want
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: him lean like this because he's been a runner for
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: so long, but he's you know, if we were to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: do it like a hey, fifteen years later and we
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: do like a one off episode so that Atlantis finally
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: gets its one hundredth episode, because I'm always reminded of
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: that they only go to ninety nine. I'm thinking, how heartbreaking.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: But do a fifteen year almost anniversary episode or something
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and they bring back Jason Momoa. He's going to be
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a lot bigger than what he was back then. But
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: then again, I guess Joe Flaningan is going to be
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a lot grayer. So you know, whatever daylabraates chack this.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Man, it gives me a great pride to see how
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: the people this expedition haven't breached you as their leader
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: has who they work.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Thanks Tom. Now hopefully your erection subsided.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I want to bring it down just a little bit.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And I did tease last week about something that kind
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: of had a bit of a follow on effect to
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: this episode.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: The end of last week's episode, Carter broke her leg
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and in they said that she'd be on crutches for
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. So either they forgot about it
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: or it's been a couple of weeks. Maybe they did
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: have a chance to go back and evacuate those people
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: from that planet and do all those bits and pieces.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just a bit of a you know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: it would look weird have Carter on on crutches in
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: this episode or something like that. But yeah, you don't
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: want you know, people who you know, people who weren't
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: watching Atlantis and fell off and then just decided to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: watch this episode on TV when it came on because
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: at the time, because the promo was like two weeks back, Yeah,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: because you know, there would have promo the hell out
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: of oh yeah. So yeah for them, for you know, someone
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: who's never watched the show to then just watch this
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: one episode and be like, why is Carter on crutches?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: You know, would have gotten in the way of Yeah,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: like the the the little the cute little scenes that
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: she managed to have with Tilk. And something you mentioned
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: earlier too is when we talked about, you know, why
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: they didn't do this sort of earlier is I think
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: they played it well in that Carter was the only
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: one that could do this. He was doing that as
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: a favor to her. Yes, I'm sure we could have
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: formally requested that Til could come and help or whatever,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: but this feels more like it was a favor to cart.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: His motivation would be, well, I get to see my
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: friend Samantha Carter, so he's going to come and do that.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, it all kind of worked out
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: really really well. I guess you probably didn't pay too
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: much attention to it because of all the man meet
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: going around. But what did you think of Midway Station?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: The last time we saw that was the return where
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: it was just we could only access it via the jumpers,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: where it was just like that a frame with a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: gate on either side. Yeah, and then now it's well,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: it was fully functional, this nice big, sort of sort
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: of little little what do you want to call iss
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the thing in the middle between two galaxies.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm upset that it's gone, Like it
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: feels like they built it for nothing as far as
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: like the show goes not the story. I mean, that's
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: not to say they can't rebuild it, Like they just
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: need to find two other random gates to rewild, right, Like,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be, you know, the hardest thing
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to rebuild. But at the same time, I guess maybe
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that's the point is we want to feel that like
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: this episode had stakes, like hey, the Wraith didn't get
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to Earth, but they this up a lot, like they
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: took out Midway Station and that was Yeah, you know
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that that's going to set us back as far as
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: like supplies or having personnel make the trip, because what
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: do they say, it's like a half hour, like outside
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of the twenty four hours.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just a half hour. Well that has
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: opposed three weeks on the dad list.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have to quarantine Earth too. I mean
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: they probably should, but they're only really stressing how you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: have to quarantine from Atlantis.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: That's a good point because yeah, when they did that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: great scene where Ronan and Tilk were gonna have to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: be bunk bluddy, Oh my god, Tilk seemed shocked at
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the accommodations, and it's like, well, yeah, he obviously wouldn't
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: have had to have done the twenty four hours true
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: thing otherwise. Yeah, so yeah, you're right, it must just
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: be you know, yeah, protecting Earth.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: They both went to go for the bottom bunk. It's like, oh, okay,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: there's there's no there's no top bunk preference. You're not
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: children anymore.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: The top and bottom jerks right themselves.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. They go through it and it's like said, oku, nah,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: those are all solved. There's some movies we watched Norbal
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and I had to rewind again.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Did they just say?
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I remember going to watch Norban I love me Samedi Murphy,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and I know he was going through some troubles making
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: some ship back in that sort of era of his
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: career before he you know, come out and made some
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like drama stuff the Pluto Nash don't even bother. I
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: remember seeing Norbert and just walking out of there just
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: in like just like in a fever. So what the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: fuck was that? So the idea that doctor Lee's like, hey,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: you're not actually kind of funny. But then they just
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: sitting there watching what the Three Stooges and both of
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: them are just watching it. Like even til who understands
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Earth culture and American humor and all that sort of
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: stuff at least from observing it, even if he doesn't
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: partake in it. He at least gets why other people
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: might find it funny. But the two of them just
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: staring at this TV, like what is this? These these
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: these are an unserious people. These are an unseerious race.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So I just loved the idea that they would have
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: to bunk for twenty four hours, and like last week
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: play played twenty questions, I just yeah, there was I again,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: might be first time sort of biased. I just thought
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: everything was so well done when we know these characters
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: so well, and I'm like, yeah, I buy that. I'm
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: not surprised that they made them sort of not antagonist
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of one and the but like that Ronan didn't immediately
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: gel with Tilk at the start, I'm like, oh, that's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: not what I want. But I think I would prefer
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: watching how they get to that point rather than just
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: being hand fed like, oh, by the way they like.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Each other, it'll feels right because it's like they are
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: in essentially essentially like the two alphas, the two big dogs.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: And you got to remember, Ronan's what twenty twenty five,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Tilk's over one hundred at this point. He's the bray attack.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: At this point, he's the one that's been tempered with wisdom,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: so he knows he doesn't have to compete with Ronan,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Whereas Ronan, since he's joined the expedition, he knows he's
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the alpha dog. You know, Yes, he takes orders from John,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: but he knows that, you know when it's like when
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: he walks into the room, he looks around and goes, yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: could take everything. Yeah, got a problem, And then Tilk,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: you know, he's like, oh, I don't know if I
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: could take this guy or nine, and I think, yeah,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Tilk was quite happily to it wasn't it wasn't trying
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to put Ronan in his place. It was just to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: prove to him that, you know, they're equals. You know,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Tilk's not trying to say I'm better than you and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: big than you, I'm stronger than you. It's in the
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: same way that Tilk quite happily followed O'Neill, you know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: even though he could take him out, but he respects him.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: So Tilk's like, yeah, well, I need to, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: show show this guy that you know, my respect is
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: something worthwhile and that I respect him. And I think
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that that's the way you win Rodan's respect is by
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: going toe to toe with him. But then also, yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: saving his life at the ends, that's their.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Real bond, And I think from a writing perspective it
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: was done really well as well too, like this isn't
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Atlanta's show, but you've also got to be respectful of
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a legacy character like Tilk and in the show that
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: kicked at least the television side of this franchise off,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: because I remember, like years and years ago and listening
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to you know, like people that seem to know what
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: they're talking about on a on a viewing platform, but
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: also on a writing perspective, and they're talking about superhero franchises,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: and listeners wrote in and said, do you think we'll
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: ever see And this was the infancy maybe of the DCEU, maybe,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: but they said, do you think we'll ever see a
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: crossover film between Marvel and DC? We would love that.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Obviously they've done that on the comic front a couple
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: of times. Do you think we'll ever see it on
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: the big screen? And the host were like, well, yeah,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it would be cool, but it would be impossible, not
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: because it would cost too much to make, not because
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: there would be too many characters. And this is before
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: we had Infinity Ward endgame which showed we can make
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: stupid budget movies and with a thousand characters, but just
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: more like, well, if you put Batman and The Punisher
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: in a fight, right, two humans that have got great
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: weapons and gadgets and stuff, and like with a real
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna fuck you up type mentality, we put
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: them in a fight together, well, who gets to say
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: who wins? Marvel want Punisher to win, DC want Batman
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to win. Who gets to have the funniest line? Who
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: gets to have the QUIPI returned? It's better? Is it
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: going to be dead Pool or is it going to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: be The Flash or something like that? You know, is
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Souperman going to be the Alpha in the end or
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: is it going to be Captain Marvel or something like that.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Like both houses are not going to let the other
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: have the upper hand. They might have a couple of
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: small ones go either way, but in the end you're
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: gonna have a situation like we apparently got with Fast
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: five where The Rock and Vin Diesel both had. Yeah,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: we can't lose this fight. We do not lose this fight,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Like we have to have it as a drawer and
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: we can only both land the exact same amount of punches,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: because otherwise we might be seen as weaker than the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: other person, like some classic, you know, alpha male bullshits
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that were logic and believability to get thrown out of
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the room because we have to appeal to egos and whatnot.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: So the idea that we have Ronan Atlantis is tough
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: guy and Tilk SG one's tough guy go head to head.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I never at any point when Tilk saved Ronan or
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: was like being condescending of Ronan by remaining calm when
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Ronan was being I didn't think that was to the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: detriment of Ronan. And at the end where Ronan saved Tilk,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't think, well, hang on, he's over a century
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: old and he's been a part of this franchise for
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: over a decade. How dare you save him when he
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: could have saved himself. At no point did I think
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: either character was being underwritten or written as a little
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: bit soft, or it just didn't feel like them, like
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: you're only doing that to suit the other. At no
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: point I thought it was so well written. It just
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: seemed to fit both characters, and it really like if
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: they would have given Roan in the upper hand Tilk's
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: not acting in starget anymore, like who cares in a
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: way kind of like O'Neill when he had that great
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: one where it looked like he was going to drown.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that he was actually going to die.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: But if they wanted to kill him off in this
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: heroic act, it would have been like, yeah, that's something
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that O'Neil would do as a character. And this show
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to feel bad for killing off a character
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that is not part of their story, So who gives
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a shit, But as a franchise need to remain respectful
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of O'Neill, we need to remain respectful of of Tilk.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: And I think they actually found like I think it's
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: a real like fishing line, you know, type space balancing act.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I think they nowled in this episode. I just really,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I just dug it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I dug it in all fronts like that, one hundred percent. Yeah,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I think I think, Yeah, if Tilk had make a
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: sacrifice play here, you know, I think it could very easy.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's always gonna be part of the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: fan and that would be upset about it, But I
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: think to me, it's it could almost be like a
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: passing of the torch kind of thing, but instead it's yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: they just did this great. Yeah, at no point did
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: you feel like one was the damsel in distress or
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: anything like that. No one was, Oh, Tilk rescued run
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: and more than run and rescued Teal or anything like that.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It was really evil, but like you mentioned with Fast five,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: he didn't feel like I didn't feel like that. Yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: it didn't feel like they were having to land blow
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: for blow. It was just in a stupid way. For
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: the way that I reconcile, it is Pokemon, and it's
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: like there are strong Pokemon, but every Pokemon has its
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: own weakness. It has its own strength, and it has
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: its own weaknesses. So it's the same kind of thing.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, you're better at some things than others.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: And the way it went back and forward, it just
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: they felt like two equals, you know. And it wasn't
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: them trying to one up each other or better each
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: other or anything like that. It was just they were
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: both fighting to save Earth. Yeah, which I thought was
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And like you said, it wasn't trying to do that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: one over one another, because if anything, it was trying
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: to act opposite that. You know that the arc was
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: that these two needed to come together, and more so
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Ronan needed to come to the table in the same way.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Like I know we were talking about it earlier this episode. Yeah,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: well yeah with Predator and things like you know we
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: had when Prey came out a couple of years ago,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and we've obviously got the new Predator which is not
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: too far away, and both have female leads, and they
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: was like, oh girls to woke bullshit, and I'm like,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: do you not understand what Predator was about. It was
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: about the idea that like basic level, generic, mainstream masculinity
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: was not going to save the day. We had the
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: toughest mothers on screen or in that military, in a
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Black Cops seem whatever it was, mercenaries. They were all
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: sent into the jungle, the biggest muscles, the toughest bokes,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the deepest voices, the biggest.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Weapons, Dannius Binis's.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: They all got killed and Arnie realized he had to
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: think smarter to win that battle. He was still this
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: bulking mass he's on in Sportsnegger, but like he realized, no,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: that way of fighting is not what's going to.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Win this and what exists in the same franchise in
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Alien versus preda Alien, and may introduce you to someone
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: called Ripley, you know what I mean, Like it doesn't matter.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: It can be done so easily.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So like I didn't get that from this show.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: It was just like, yeah, it wasn't a fast five
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: situation and it wasn't just there to be like, well,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: we can serve both masters. It's not about trying to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: serve one over the other and we'll no. I just
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: just it fits. And if anything, if that episode comes
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: out today, it's a you're excited, but it's a massive
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: risk because you're like, what are you gonna up by
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: bringing this character back? You know, we can sit there
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: even in superhero movies and go, ah, man, when they
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: this character back, it's going to be amazing. And then
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: they say we're going to like oh, but do it.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Robert Deanna Junior or Chris Evans kind of thing.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: It's like, you're gonna bring them back, is you're going
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: to stuff with the perfect boat that you've put on
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: everything else.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So like they could they could have stuffed this up,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and I just think, no, it just feels like another
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: episode starting and it just it worked.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: A couple of nitpicks, because it wouldn't be me without
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: a nitpick, and you know people slipping in my dms
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: when I don't nitpick. None of these things I will
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: say affected my viewing of this episode. I love it,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: but just things to I think, you know, I could
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: have used a little tightening. You know, the only way that
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: the Wraith we're able to get into this is by
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the planetary gate, whereas back in Return, Rodney specifically mentions
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: they're harvesting space skates for the Yeah, I mean, you
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: could argue it. It's like, well, yeah, the one on
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Earth and the one on this planet, other two planetary
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: gates and then all the other ones are space skates.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: But you would think they would set it up so
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: that Atlantis was the one planetary space skate. It dials
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: to space skate in the at the edge of the
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Milky Way galaxy, at the edge of the Peggers's galaxy,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and then the macro kicks in like the fact that
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: it was on a on a planet is the reason
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the Wraiths were able to get into the system, which
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't great obviously, the they talk about it was like
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: one of it was Todd that stole the information or
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: she know, Shepherd suspects him, and then you find out,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: oh it's the it's the guy that that betrayed Todd.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming it's the one from back in with the Queen,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: with the cloning and the Spoils of war. I thought
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: he died.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I thought we talked about him dying.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I thought they all died. So
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure who this guy was in terms of that.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's hard because all the Raith look alike when
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: they're lieutenant, So maybe it was just another one that
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: betrayed Todd. I don't know. And then yeah, all the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: all the drones, all the scab faces on the SGC,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: not a single one of them went for their self
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: destruct vests at any point. Remember that, remember those back
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: in season one thing. I feel like it's it's Atlantis's
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: version of the of the Three taps at Yeah, but
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: those vests didn't look great in SGC lighting, you know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: when we got a few close ups and stuff like that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: They looked a little plastic in not great. Yeah, but
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: again I didn't care about any of it. And then
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: the one thing that I thought I would hate, but
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: they did it perfectly was my old mate, Cavanah.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Cavana.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I love that line so much.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I knew that I knew him,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: but I actually forgot it was him until they first
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: mentioned it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he got rid of the pony tap rid
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: of the pony tow.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this guy, and I'm like, oh, I
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: think I'm supposed to know this guy. And that's why
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I kind of look forward to rewatching it, because I'll
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: understand why I'm annoyed at him for the very first
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: second he gets on screen, like I don't even want
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: to be here, and he's like, well, you asked to
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: get used to it, because I do want to get
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: used to it. And I'm like, dude, who are you?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Shut up?
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh no, Cavanah, shut up. Like it
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't change what I think. It just changed.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I maybe it's the equivalent. It's like, well, we know
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: we can't trust if we fire him. We know we
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: can't trust him to not violate his nondisclosure agreement. So
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: we're just going to check him out on Midway where
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: he can't be a problem for anybody else.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, just it was it was about last week.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: That just reminded me, I'm like just getting rid of him.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: But Katie, right, that was a McKay's girlfriend, almost fiance,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and in last week's episode and they said, oh, she's
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: you know, yes, she doesn't talk to me anymore. We're
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: doing this. She's requested a transfer back to Earth and like, okay,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: like maybe as a as a as a as a series,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: and I understand that we need to not have that
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: character anymore, but on like a character if where to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: believe these people are real? This woman's giving up like
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: the greatest opportunity like almost in history that someone in
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: her position could get.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: As a botanist, as a box with plants. Yep, She's
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: now gonna be the first person to you know, quite
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: a quick just cover you know, in a colonizer kind
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: of mindset. She's with the first one. She's with the
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: first human to see all these alien plant life and
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: could potentially find the cure of to you know, some
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: horrible disease.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Not just in space, not just on a different planet
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: in a different.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Galaxy, on an ancient you know city floating in the
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: middle of a planet, like and she's just like Ah
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Rodney and I aren't together anymore. I guess I'm gonna
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: lik like And it's not like there's only ten people
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: on that base. It's a huge city and a huge base.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: If she doesn't want to see Rodney, she wouldn't move
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: for a different tower.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be so like that's twenty twenty five
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: in it, right, It's like, yeah, don't have the woman
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: just be like, oh I had a bad breakup, I'm
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: leaving everything. It's like, are you better than that? She
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: would be better than that. Come on, you put up
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: with Rodney for a year. Your stronger will than that? Right.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: So anyway, that just reminded because I'm thinking, Ah, why
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: couldn't Cavana have been the one to go out where
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Shepherd needed the oxygen to be ripped out, like, oh no,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: do we lose Cavana? Oh no? And then he wakes
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: up just before the place blows up. So yeah, Cavn.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, cavin had destroyed Midway. I know the Wraith
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: put in the the system, but Kavan I was the
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: one that's like, hey, don't do this, do what this?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Oh thanks for blowing it up, you fucking prick.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: So I hope that did the cost of it out
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: of his pay.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: You were working now to the year of six thousand.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: And look, I got one little bit of audio I had.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I had to grab it, and I think it's the
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: good one for us to go out on. We've you
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: knew it was coming.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: By the wreath. It's found a good way to go. Indeed,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: you said that a lot. What indeed, goo, Yeah, I
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: had not.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Noticed just how concerned Silk was, right do I? I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: had not noticed, like it's the perfect Joe to make
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: with him, like it might be low hanging fruit and away,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: but I actually love it because I'm there going is
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: this just something that these guys wanted to write now,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: like it seemed like the right thing? Or is it
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: something in hindsight? They went, holy shit. We never we
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: never like addressed that on a level where the characters
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: brought it up and mentioned no one ever spoke about
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the fact that he says that a lot and that
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: they've will save it for a rainy day, but they've
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: never been able to you're not going to shove it
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: in continuum. So at what point where was the genesis?
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Where's the birth of this joke that they just finally
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: found a spot And again, it's not making Tilk look
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: like a piece of shit. It's just having fun. It's
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: for the audience. There are so many like you know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you mentioned Deloes, there are so many things that Delaese
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: does in these episodes or has done in these episodes
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: that's for the audience. You know, the giant spanner that
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: gets carried around, that's not for the show. That's for
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: us to laugh at. It's kind of like when I
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: really want to believe these places are real and functional
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: and and and you know, tangible, I get kind of
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: a bit funny about that. But at the same time, like, no,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: this feels like such a close knit community of people
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: who watch this show, and that we're all in on
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the joke and we're all similar enough to get the
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: same level of humor and appreciate the same level of
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: action and all that sort of stuff that that's spanner
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: that isn't in joke, that we all just appreciate, and
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the idea that Ronan can make fun of Tilk and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, it's not making Tilk look like a
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: piece of shit. He does say indeed a lot, does
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: he know?
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: You know, it does make me want to go back
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: now and rewatch unending because like it puts that whole
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: final moment of an ending into a different context when
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: they're all saying their their little phrases and stuff like that, yeah,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: and then they all say indeed together yeah. It's just like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: so tilk didn't know what that was about? Is kind
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: of fun.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I think did we raise that in our review on
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: an ending? I feel like that we should. I feel
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: it maybe we brought up like, oh, do we think
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: that he understood that they were having a lot with
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: him or not? And but we didn't really care. It
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't a big thing at the time, whereas this someone's
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: brought it up.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: This moment reminds me of like back in season one
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: when Brendan pointed out the fact that Colonel O'Neill says
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: for crying out loud like he does.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we both like jumped down your throat, going,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: what do you mean? How do you not know?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I never noticed this time through, I never noticed she
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: said it a lot?
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: All right? That is getting to gate episode two hundred
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and eighty seven. Oh God, I'd like to not stop
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: talking about it, but I'd like to get closer to
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: being able to watch it again. Here I was the
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: other night better sit down and.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: What I was just about to say, you're not a
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: lad to watch it again? Into here watch the first one.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that to me. Don't put those sort
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: of restrictions on it. And my kids were when I
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: wanted to watch something that night and that we just
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: ran out a time with like homework and dinner and all
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. And then I watched him like,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: they're not going to want to watch Stargate because you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I watched two episodes and then I had this as
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: one of them, and I'm like, oh, that would have
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: been pretty cool for my boys to watch. Even though
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: they would not get the context, they just might have
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: appreciated how kick ass it was.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, yeah, I can think a couple of
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: boys going at the back playing Tilke and Ronan.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there'd be that. Yeah. I mean you
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: throw a lightsaber in the middle of them all of a sudden.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: They're Jedi, so be able to watch this and be like, yep,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I'll be You can't even say I'll be the bald one.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I'll be the guy with the hair with the shorter
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: long hair, with the longer long hair.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I'll be chocolate.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: You be Caramel, The Ladies Love Both to eighty seven.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I'll get in the Gate. We will be back next
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: week to talk about We got a two part of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: coming out next It's.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: It's they did it weird this season, so we have
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the Kindred Part one and two and then the season
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: finale being the Last Man. So it's an interesting it's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: it's a two PARTA. Let's put it that way.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Oh god, we're not having a dip.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, what what could follow Midway? Really?
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: That's true? Okay, I mean i'd say you tempered my excitement,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: but like you said, what can what can follow Midway?
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Like it was all going to go downhill at some point?
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Who gave us Midway? Who right directed it?
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: And and Calvin de Blinder and mcconaugh.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Colin, Andy, indeed, thank you.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Get into the Geek, Get in the Gate, Get into
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: the Gate, Stargate podcast, Get into it now before it's
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: too late.