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Single White Female with Ben Rodgers · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On thee cast, the questions asked if movies have women
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  Speaker 1: in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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  Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy and best start
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  Speaker 1: changing it with the Betel Cast. Hi, welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin Darante, and this is the Bechtel Cast which you're
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  Speaker 1: listening to. My name is Jamie Loftus. Oh god, we've
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  Speaker 1: already ruined it. No this is that? Was that? No?
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  Speaker 1: That was? Oh god, damn it. Sorry, Well we're back.
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin just read her first Alison Bechdel books. Oh I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't finish it. I started it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well just right at the top. We're not qualified to
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  Speaker 1: be doing this. No. Oh, but you know what we
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  Speaker 1: haven't mentioned in a couple of weeks, as our colleges are. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I have one college degree. I have to college degree. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: good now that everyone else. Both of them are in film,
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  Speaker 1: so that's why I we're qualifying. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: say mine is in Okay, mine could be in anything.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know. I'm a woman in stem j K.
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  Speaker 1: That's becoming a recurring that's a motif of ours. Now
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  Speaker 1: to women in Stem. Yeah, well, because any movie would
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  Speaker 1: become more welcoming to women if there were a character
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  Speaker 1: that was a woman in Stem. That's a full proof
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  Speaker 1: movie theory to get get a five nipples from us,
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  Speaker 1: while women in Stem, where they're steampunk culture was not.
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  Speaker 1: And that's really all it things to get me on board.
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  Speaker 1: So we're we're a podcast we talk about the roles
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  Speaker 1: of women in movies. Yeah, usually they're not portrayed very well,
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  Speaker 1: and we're here to call it out. It's funny that
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  Speaker 1: what he used to take us so long to say
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  Speaker 1: the premise, but now it's just like our podcast is
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  Speaker 1: still in its infancy. You know, we're still learning, we're
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  Speaker 1: getting better. Anyway, should we introduce our guests? Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: He has a show that he does it UCB called
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  Speaker 1: Shitty Jumps, and he was a writer for the show
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  Speaker 1: Workaholics on Comedy Central. Ben Rogers. Hi, Then, now, because
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  Speaker 1: you are a straight white man, you are bound. We
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  Speaker 1: have strapped you to the chair and you're only allowed
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  Speaker 1: to speak when spoken to. That's just one of the
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  Speaker 1: rules of our podcast. Yeah, I can't believe I signed
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  Speaker 1: up for it. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean we did
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  Speaker 1: send you the long, the long list of rules. I'll
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  Speaker 1: admit I just skimmed it over and now, well we
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  Speaker 1: pepper spray you if you interject, and that's my only rule.
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  Speaker 1: I just want pepper spray someone that's on my bucket list, really,
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  Speaker 1: along with pepper spray that you carry around. No, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really biting my tongue because you guys could have
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  Speaker 1: done a much better job taping me to this chair. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: stopped squirming so much. Just going to the audio is
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  Speaker 1: going to pick up, and Aristotle is going to have
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  Speaker 1: a hell of a time because he's tied to his
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  Speaker 1: chair as well. That's right. Sorrd is hard not have
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  Speaker 1: men a part of this anymore. We're just making more
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  Speaker 1: more works for ourselves. But it's like cardioph Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's like because you put up quiet struggle and we
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  Speaker 1: were able to you know, flux our various What are
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  Speaker 1: you name an arm muscle delt? Nope, biceps by sepsps
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  Speaker 1: you that's your delts. I don't know what's there. I
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  Speaker 1: think here's something that I don't know what the name
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  Speaker 1: you got your tries by tries by shoulders. There's three
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  Speaker 1: parts of the shoulder. I'm having a panic attack. What
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  Speaker 1: are the what's the names for real? What's the name
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  Speaker 1: of the muscle? The little it's underneath your knee and
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  Speaker 1: it's a little it's maybe I want to say it's
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  Speaker 1: a ligament. Maybe. Anyway, mine hurt your American civil liberty? Okay, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: mine hurt. Sorry. I was just making a statement, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a political statement. Okay, So we're talking about well, wait,
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  Speaker 1: can I say that we were talking about We should
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  Speaker 1: let Ben say it. It's but I just want to
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  Speaker 1: say it. It's a dog's purpose. It's there, it is. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Have I not suggested a dog's purpose? What that we like?
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  Speaker 1: Watch it? Yes? I don't know. I don't remember. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it would be fond to break down the roles of
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  Speaker 1: the female dogs in the movie. Yeah, where do bitches
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  Speaker 1: stand in the movie? Well, it's crazy because we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: let Ben say it, but it's actually going to describe
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  Speaker 1: both of us. Yeah, wild, take it away, do it?
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  Speaker 1: So my pick was single white female. For some reason,
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about how I'll never fulfill a childhood
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  Speaker 1: fantasy of living in a building with an old fashioned elevator.
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  Speaker 1: Just it's just not going to happen. I want to
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  Speaker 1: live in either like a cool air stream on the
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  Speaker 1: ocean or a building with an old fashioned elevator, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm starting to come to terms that both those
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  Speaker 1: things aren't going to happen. And I remembered that I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to think of some good old fashioned elevator movies,
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  Speaker 1: which what was your criteria for this? It was big
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  Speaker 1: in the in the nineties, and then you you happen
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  Speaker 1: to email me and I was like, oh, this would
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  Speaker 1: be good for this. Excuse yeah, good for this. This
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  Speaker 1: movie came out the same week I was born. Wild
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  Speaker 1: I know. I wish that my mom was a screaming
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  Speaker 1: of it when I was born, but she would have
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  Speaker 1: named you Hetty. She would have named me Hetty. But
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  Speaker 1: I was I was a c section. They I was
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  Speaker 1: born twice. What that's you're born twice? So like they
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  Speaker 1: c section and then put you back in vaginal No,
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  Speaker 1: this is true, Okay, So it was my mom had
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  Speaker 1: to have this experimental womb steroid put in her to
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  Speaker 1: have me, and so she had to fly down to
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina from Boston like two months before I was
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  Speaker 1: actually born, and they took me out and checked and
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  Speaker 1: they're like the experiments working, and they put me back in.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why you have these huge biceps. That's why
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  Speaker 1: I'm very strong, you hug. I'm spiritually strong, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: also extreme me buff. That is insane. I've never heard
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. And then, oh, here's the best part.
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  Speaker 1: Um The doctor who invented those wombs steroids later gave
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  Speaker 1: the first successful penis transplant. I would like to credit
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  Speaker 1: myself of the inspiration you were part of that. You
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  Speaker 1: saw this fat little baby. He's like, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I should do next? Onto the next conquest? To save
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  Speaker 1: this baby. Now I'm going to save a penish. Now
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to save this guy this Under what circumstances
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  Speaker 1: would you need a penis transplant? Like if yours got
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  Speaker 1: chopped off? I kind of remember that story. It was
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  Speaker 1: like his I think it's dick burned off. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: It was like some tragic accident. Hey, I'll look at them.
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  Speaker 1: But my dad texted me to my dad, just some
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  Speaker 1: weird story I made up. He's actually a cancer survivisor
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  Speaker 1: his penis wasn't burned. Yeah. I created a horror story
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  Speaker 1: of like a guy all fucking burned up. Here's a
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  Speaker 1: great please say first American I have penis transplant, says
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  Speaker 1: it's starting to take shape. I love it. My dad
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  Speaker 1: texted me that article when that happened early last year,
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  Speaker 1: and he was like, did you know this was the guy?
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  Speaker 1: This guy's the reason you're alive. I was like, whoa
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  Speaker 1: was he like an O, B G U I N
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  Speaker 1: And then he was like, I'm going to switch to
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  Speaker 1: other genitals. I don't know. I mean he was a
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  Speaker 1: surgeon of some scene. I hope that's the case, because
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  Speaker 1: that's really yeah. What if I was too fat at Baker? See?
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  Speaker 1: I saw it as like, you know, we're all the
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  Speaker 1: same that the past, right, See, that's nice. I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna say, baby, I was just a big The womb
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  Speaker 1: stair has worked a little too well. One might argue
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  Speaker 1: that was an eleven pound baby. I know that that's
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  Speaker 1: too big? Is because you were so you're tall? Is
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  Speaker 1: it because you were like a long just a long baby? Well?
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  Speaker 1: Are you talked as in the steroids? Excellent question? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. As you're intimidating, you're here, you're pounding Mike's
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  Speaker 1: harder lemonade. That's true, and I do that almost every week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: except the time we both well, no, you last week
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  Speaker 1: I drank some hennessy. Yeah, you had me beat real good.
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  Speaker 1: Lest you were not chugging, but like swigging. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't realize I was walking into essentially a drinking context.
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  Speaker 1: This is a speak easy essentially to speak easy above
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  Speaker 1: a comic bookshop to wasted soft spoken ladies. Single white
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  Speaker 1: female female poisoning themselves. That was a good transition. That
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  Speaker 1: was a good and that was great. Thank you, so,
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  Speaker 1: single white female. What did you guys think? Well, first
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  Speaker 1: we talked about Caitlin summarizes the down Ben. I'm cure
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  Speaker 1: because because I was watching the whole time I was watching,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, they're gonna hate this. No, I went
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  Speaker 1: into it thinking I probably would, but I actually I
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  Speaker 1: would go so far as to say I liked it.
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  Speaker 1: I went into this movie with no context at all
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  Speaker 1: and never heard of it, and then so I just
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  Speaker 1: turned it on without reading anything in advance, and I
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  Speaker 1: liked it. Yeah, it was experience. You can tell. You
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  Speaker 1: can tell like you can. We were saying before you
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  Speaker 1: got here that it's hard to tell what genre the
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  Speaker 1: movie is at first and that was fun. Yeah, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. This is the first time in Bectel
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  Speaker 1: cast history where neither of us had seen the movie
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  Speaker 1: prior to the episode. Usually Jamie hasn't seen the movie,
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  Speaker 1: and one time I didn't even watch the movie. Sorry
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  Speaker 1: the Matrix. Listen at the Matrix episode if you want
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  Speaker 1: to hear me, did you admit not until for very month?
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  Speaker 1: I did? Okay, job, Yeah, I would have never known. Luckily,
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  Speaker 1: our guest was very talkative, and then he and I
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  Speaker 1: were just talking about and then it was mostly you guys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was just here sweating more than usual. Well, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: a single white female just watched it a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days ago. I I don't think i'd even heard of
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  Speaker 1: it either. I think the emailed us that was the
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  Speaker 1: first time I've ever heard of it, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this sounds like a familiar I weirdly referenced it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Really did he will know what? Now I'm realizing probably not.
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  Speaker 1: They're probably just like, why does this guy keep saying
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  Speaker 1: single white female? I often describe people's friendship as single
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  Speaker 1: white female. That see. I feel like people could think
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  Speaker 1: you were saying a number of things are saying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just like announcing what you're looking for any single white
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  Speaker 1: females are in. Yeah, I'm sure you could just sound
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  Speaker 1: like a perverse one of the many things I do
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  Speaker 1: to sound like a perverse. Oh that's nice. It's based
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  Speaker 1: on a book called s WF Seeks the Same, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad the movie had the sense to take that
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  Speaker 1: part out of it, because basic it would be pretty
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  Speaker 1: racist otherwise a single white female to also seek another
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  Speaker 1: single white It's it's such a terrible title for even
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  Speaker 1: whoever wrote, Like the guy wrote the book, somebody should
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  Speaker 1: have told him single white female is a far superior title. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know if single white female is a
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  Speaker 1: good title either better than better than as s WF.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah true. So wait, wait, do the the you haven't
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  Speaker 1: done summary in a while? Oh yeah, Single White Female
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  Speaker 1: is about young woman who is living in New York City.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't write one down for this one, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm just this is all memory. Okay. So she's living
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  Speaker 1: in New York. She has a boyfriend. She finds out
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  Speaker 1: that he has cheated on her. Get out of here, man,
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  Speaker 1: So she puts out an ad for a roommate. A
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  Speaker 1: few people come by, not all of them are great.
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  Speaker 1: One of them seems okay, one of them seems like
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  Speaker 1: she's going to pick her before the actually shows up.
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  Speaker 1: That was weird. The main character, Alie, ends up picking
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  Speaker 1: this woman named Hetty to be her roommate. And then
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  Speaker 1: Hetty shows some problem areas she's does. She does like
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  Speaker 1: weird things start to happen. She starts dressing like her.
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  Speaker 1: She kind of like gets a dog without letting anyone know.
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  Speaker 1: She presumably throws the dog off a balcony. Presumably. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know. We don't see it, we didn't see it,
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  Speaker 1: but she probably definitely did that. She did she you
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm kidding. I'm not gonna I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to die on this hill. And then meanwhile she gets
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  Speaker 1: back with her Ali gets back with her boyfriend and
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  Speaker 1: then they get engaged. That makes Heady even more crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's some violence and there's some This is
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  Speaker 1: not a good recap. I should have prepped it. She's
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  Speaker 1: just trying to have it all, just trying to out
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  Speaker 1: of it all, but you can't. And we learned this again,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we we learned that. And I
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  Speaker 1: thought this when I was watching it today, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, say that later, Jamie, you save that for
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  Speaker 1: the cast. I thought to myself, the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: single white females have to fear is single white females themselves. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I know, profound. That's not adapted from anything. It's just
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  Speaker 1: something I thought. All Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna fact
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  Speaker 1: check that later. I feel like, maybe you stole it,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't. I would never steal that's the thing. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So the movie, that's the story. Basically, this roommate who
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  Speaker 1: moves in with Ali is a crazy person. Although let's
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily use that as a label. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: a little insensitive. I didn't expect that kind of tone
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast, especially where the story goes. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it really makes you feel for she's got borderline personality
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  Speaker 1: and his story. She is dealing with a childhood trauma
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  Speaker 1: where she maybe also drowned her sister. Maybe it was
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  Speaker 1: an accident, who knows. This is like how we met
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  Speaker 1: when I when you started to try to turn my
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  Speaker 1: clothes and you threw my hamster off a balcony, but
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  Speaker 1: we ended up being great friends. It ended and you
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  Speaker 1: killed the other baby in that womb during the second
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  Speaker 1: birth ate the baby. Yeah, I thought I assumed that
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  Speaker 1: that was how I was so ready for her to say, like,
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  Speaker 1: but I absorbed at the twin. But you know, they
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  Speaker 1: opened on like a weird shot of the two girls,
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  Speaker 1: which was pretty cool on Yeah, So wait, when did
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  Speaker 1: you see this movie for the first time? Then in
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  Speaker 1: the mid nineties at some point it was a frequent
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  Speaker 1: cable movie. I feel like, um, this is the era
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  Speaker 1: of the erotic thriller, So this is like it came
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  Speaker 1: out the same year's Basic Instinct and it was And
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of nudity in the movie. Yes, surprisingly
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  Speaker 1: uh that which I didn't remember, which definitely would factor
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  Speaker 1: into like me as a kid wanting to watch this
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  Speaker 1: and like all the like softcore movies of the era,
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  Speaker 1: which this is a great nineties time piece, Like there's
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of really funny moments, but it definitely is
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  Speaker 1: the kind of movie that I think this is the
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  Speaker 1: erotic thriller at its peak, before there was internet porn
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  Speaker 1: and before everybody could see like hardcore pornography everywhere, people
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  Speaker 1: would go to the movies basically hbo ate it up.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like what you would see now in Game
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  Speaker 1: of Thrones people would go to see like sliver or
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  Speaker 1: single white female. This is like one that I feel
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  Speaker 1: like doesn't get talked about as much, but as part
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  Speaker 1: of that era, right. Lots of sex and silhouette, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a lot lots of like where you can just make
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  Speaker 1: out like sweaty backs, right, and you're just like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: in a trope that you often point out, Jamie is
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  Speaker 1: in specifically like horror thriller movies, girls and tank tops
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  Speaker 1: where you can see their hard Oh my god, much
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: of that and the heavy girls and tank tops that
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: are scared happened so much. Basically every scene in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I noticed this movie is made to tittle it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: lots of hard knips. A lot of hard nips you
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  Speaker 1: do get to see, and everybody looks at each other
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  Speaker 1: like they want to fuck throughout the movie. All characters,
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  Speaker 1: even some of the like do you guys notice in
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  Speaker 1: that mean where Hetty goes to cash her check I
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  Speaker 1: think and the girls kind of flirting with cash. There's
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  Speaker 1: like weird sexual tension between them, and I'm like, everyone
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  Speaker 1: wants to funck in this movie. Yeah, very horny. I
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  Speaker 1: get it. I listen. I was born, right, I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty sure it was like a test tube.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, I was talking to my mom about this
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  Speaker 1: movie on the phone last night because I was telling
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  Speaker 1: her I had to watch it, and she was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: who's in that movie? And I was like, Oh, it's
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: a Bridget Fonda and Jennifer Jason Lee. And my mom
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  Speaker 1: said what she always says about women that she does
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  Speaker 1: not think are very attractive, and she said, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like Jennifer Jason Lee has like a very earthy beauty.
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  Speaker 1: This is what my mom says when like a woman
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  Speaker 1: is like, yeah, when a woman is like bathed and
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  Speaker 1: like relatively symmetrical, but my mom still finds her unfuckable
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  Speaker 1: earthy beauty. Yeah, that's a good way to put it
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  Speaker 1: without like hurting someone's feelings too bad. I think she's
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  Speaker 1: great in the movie. I think both actresses are really
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  Speaker 1: good and um and it's good casting. I think she
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  Speaker 1: does pull off. I mean it's also because I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: if she walked into this room right now, we would
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  Speaker 1: all be like, oh wow, and she's what twenty years older.
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  Speaker 1: We would all be like, she's so beautiful. But they
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  Speaker 1: do a really good job of I guess this like
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  Speaker 1: wardrobe and like the makeup department of making her look
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  Speaker 1: like more frumpy and like awkward, and they look exactly alike.
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  Speaker 1: And then they they were able to flip that towards
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  Speaker 1: the end where it's like, oh wow, she looks great. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: although who like it was a very fun nineties trope
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  Speaker 1: that it's like, oh yeah, this is the haircut you
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  Speaker 1: want to replicate, like terrible haircut, like I wanna look
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  Speaker 1: like I'm wearing a bicycle helmet all time. Bridge Fonda
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: so is beautiful and it's like you'd never know just
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: got this weird, like clown haircut. One of my notes
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: was that for a movie where the characters are like
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: working a like fashion adjacent, there are an awful lot
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: of bowl cuts. Can we talk about her job on earrings,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: her career of like it's fashion stuff fashion fashion e
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: computer thing. The computer aspect of the movie is great,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: like because she puts her like I guess it's a
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: want ad in the newspaper, but she does it through email,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: which is like to show us that she's a tech
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: savvy person. And this is like one email like no
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: one knew what the funk it was and like, so
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: she has this computer business that has something to do
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: with fashion that they they're very loosey goosey about it.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I think you can like design fashion on the compute. Yeah,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's so many questions I had about
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: her job that eventually, like, I mean, I guess the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: movie did what it was supposed to. Eventually, I just
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: go of those questions. I was like, you know what,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: she owns her own business. I didn't like that, You're right.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, at first, you're like, what the funk
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is this? And you're you're kind of distracted at the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: way like technology is advanced, and like oh yeah, but
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: after you know, in the third act you don't care.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I would love to ask someone in does this make
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: sense to you as something you would find potentially useful?
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I mean the software text shows dated that like who
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: knows what knows? I mean, we still do it in movies,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and it's it's right, It's like computers do whatever you
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: need the story to do, and there's magic this person
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: has a super supercomputer. Yeah. I love it when there's
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: like a photo that's not high resolution, but and then
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: like it's still still like crystal clear and they're like, Oh,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: it's it's that person mystery salt, But um, I do
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: like that her job, she has her own business and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: she is I guess a soft ware developer, question mark.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: We hard to say she has an email account that
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: we know she used to have a partner and they
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: had a rough split. There's a couple of small things
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: that they have to put in there that I feel
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: like we're going overboard to protect, Like why she's so
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: stuck with this new roommate. Uh. The first scene where
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: she's with her boyfriend, Um, I can't remember his name?
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Sam Sam? Yeah, who's Stephen Webber plays him from Wings
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Let Off the Hook repeatedly for like the movie lets
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: him off the hook again and again. But anyways, he um,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: he's She says that she doesn't have any friends except
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: him and that's the only friend that she needs because
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: and then even like when she's at this job interview,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: she's talking about how she and her partner have like
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a bad split up and so she needs all these
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: new clients and she has a bad reputation, I guess,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: but I feel like they went out of their way
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to like she could also have friends and still have
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a fucking crazy room it right, Yeah, I assumed at first,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is what we were
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: supposed to do or like where my mind just went
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: immediately that her, like the friend breakup that she had
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: would be relevant at some point, Like I assumed the
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: two little girls at the beginning of the movie, I'm like, oh,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: maybe that's Bridget Fonda and her her twin friend who
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: looks exactly like I don't know. I was, well because
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you find out that the twin was actually a live
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: past birth so late in the movie, but it's like
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: contextualizing that scene takes a long time. I just thought
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of another weird like I guess a homoerotic scene where
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: or like just sexual tension between two women is when
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that they do a montage of different girls coming to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: potential roommates and one is like hilariously butch, like lesbian
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that's like talking about fixing stuff up, and she's like no, no, no, yeah,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: she's wearing like a biker jacket and has a bandana on.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And then the next person so they they like kind
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: of I felt like overcompensated with like, hey, this is
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a lesbian and then the next person like looks her
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: up and down and it's like a very hot, horny
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: like it was like back to back, Like that's so weird.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And then like a feminist caricature comes and I'm an
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: incest survivor. I don't remember it, but I'm pretty sure
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I was my therapist as I'm a survivor of something.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And then she's like, I don't cook. Cooking is oppressive.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Montage was great, and they're all like they give this hot,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: super hot girl no lot. She just looks her up
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and down like you want to funk right now. It's
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: so weird. It is really like in what world, I
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, it was christ And so all that leads
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to the girl from Heathers, who's like the one normal girl,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and then she's like about to call and then I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: think Sam calls her. She sees a photo of amount
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: of right, yes, that's what, and then and then Hetty
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: walks in and she's crying, and then they like fix
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the sink together and get all wet and like show
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: their nipples off. They get all wet, They get all wet,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and then they're giggling, and then there's a little hug
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: roommates with someone. I get it, you guys, wanna, you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: tweak each other. I was honestly surprised that they did
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: not make out in this movie. I was, fully do
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: they kiss? Towards the end, when she's tied to the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: chair as you are right now, I'm thinking of it,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: she distracts her by kissing her for a second, right,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: But it's not It's not like a makeout I was expecting,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like the full black swan. Oh yeah, not quite that intense.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, she kisses her. It's actually a very clever,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: it's diversion. Can we talk about Sam for a second,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: because you know, he cheats on her with his ex wife.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: But from from there on out is made out to
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: be a pretty sympathy character, where you know, at first
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Ali is like, no, I don't want to talk to you,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want to take you back. I have a
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: roommate now, blah blah blah, And then like it turns
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: out like, oh, he wrote you a letter to apologize.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, her getting back with him a very abrupt
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: which I think it's more problem than just like kind
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of sloppy storytelling than anything. But it happens very abruptly.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: What I do like about that, though, is that you
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: see that she's engaged because you see her diamond ring,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: but you do not see that scene playoff on screen. Well,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I think they were engaged at the start of the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: movie because that's part of the reason why he was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: talking to was so Sam cheated on his with his
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: ex wife and they were I think like he was
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: telling her that she's going to get engaged, and then
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: they slept together, and so that threw Ali off. So
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but like, don't get that together with
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that guy, Ali, Come on, So they were already engaged. Okay,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: they we're already engaged. Classic story. Somebody cheats, she takes
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: him back. I mean, hey, some people do that. Hey
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: he gets his he gets stabbed in the it's would
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that have killed him with that penetrated his brain? But
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: you have to really I was really sutilized that take
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: him with it. I feel like it takes a little
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: more forced I was surprised that he died immediately. But
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: then somehow the gay best friend didn't die. That was like,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I mean the injuries, who knows, because I thought, for
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: sure the gay best friend is dead, maybe the maybe
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the fiance, I'll come back to life. But it was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the opposite. You know who survives is the cat. The
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: cat keeps Graham company in that bath. Was very honorable
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: of that cat. That's like, you know it didn't start
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: eating cat because I think that the cat waits a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: couple of days. Isn't that the rule? It's like something
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: like four days a cat and like six days for dogs.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: It's like when you're go on a date with someone,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you have to wait three days to text them back.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: It's the same with cat. You gotta wait wait three
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: days to text them back. That's the rule. Now, I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: don't know that's so. I would be like I thought,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: were I thought you were blowing me off, you're ghosting me.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: If someone, yeah, someone took three days, I would fully assume.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well this didn't go as well as I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: thought it did. Uh yeah, it's an old rule. Um,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I never subscribed to it at all. So I thought
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it was like two days to call somebody or like
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: text them, Um, after you first get there, like info
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: maybe like the initial like give me your number, you
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: like wait a day. That makes sense, that one I
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: make that makes it. But like once you hang out
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: with someone, if you have fun with them, why wait?
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the advantage of we're in the brink
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of nuclear war. Let's feed things up. No time to wait.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: See this, Okay, we're taking a serious e tour, but
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion since we're on the subject.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like I usually if I'm asking somebody for
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: their numbers something, I will text them. I'm not going
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to call him. Now. If you're going to break up
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: with that person and you've never talked on the phone,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: do you then call on the phone or do you
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: tell you meet them face to face? Noo? Okay, yeah
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: if it if the relationship never okay, if the relationship
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: never went past texting, don't suddenly call because then you
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: know something's wrong. You're like, wait, we don't. Shouldn't you
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: know something that is wrong? No, just they'll know when
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: they read the text. I'd say this because I very
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: recently did it. I was like, well, we only text
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: each other, so I'm just gonna text him and then
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: he'll know. And I'm saying like, you're at the stage
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: of like still kind of feeling each other out of
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: like and the person's like, hey, you want to do something,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and then you have to be like no. So if
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you're still in the stage. Yeah, I definitely heard some
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: people have blowback to that. If like you're doing this
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: over text, oh see, I would let's just do it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, I would rather someone like if it's
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a real, like an actual relationship, that's different, and you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: break up with me to my face so you can
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: watch me cry. That's what I was talking because that's
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: why what I need you to see. But if it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: just like a flirtation, it's like, if you don't want
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to hang out again, don't tell me your voice it's horrible. Yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: or Recovering from breakups is hard, and it's a big
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: part of single wife female. It's true. She's devastated. She
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: cries in like three different scenes. She cries a lot.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: She reads a sheet off her bed, like, no, this
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: is how I have to cope with this bed can't
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: have sheets. I like that, just like I don't want
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: my bed smelling like this person that cheated on Mealy,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: they just fucked on it. And now she's finding out
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: like he sucks some other woman. I do love that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: There isn't she finds out is because of an answering
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: machine mishap. There's a lot of good answering machine stuff. Yeah,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: because when like Jennifer Jason miss answering machines what I did, Like,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's one of the very first scenes is
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: his ex wife calls Ali answers and we're used to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: sing in movies if there's an ex girlfriend or an
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: ex wife or something a very like bitter petty relationship
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: between the two, like oh, the ex and the new
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: girlfriends and they hate each other and they're jealous of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: each other and too. I like the alley is just like, oh,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: what's your ex wife? Whoctor? I think this movie takes
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: a pretty sympathetic view of almost every character, even the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: fucking Slee's bag like has a heroic moment you mean
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: ned Yer crazy? Yeah, and his name in this movie
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: is Myerson Meyerson. So Stephen Tablowski of the popular podcasts
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: The Tablowski Files, Right, he does that. St Oh, I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: didn't know that a wild moment where it's like, is
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the rape guy gonna end up the movie? Like they
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: can't do that. They can't make this guy save the day, right,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: which they don't know was that's insane that they're like,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you know how we're going to get someone to let's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: talk him and she was kidnapped. Let's give him a
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: redeeming moment. He's fucking piste off that she's like trying
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to get paid for her work. Twenty minutes in like
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a twenty minute segment, not full segment, but both he
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and Sam shout you fucking batch when someone uh does
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: when someone wrongs them in a sexual manner, in this
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: actual amner. I mean, granted, what Jennifer decently did was
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about that that I think you
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: qualifies getting called to phone that was more justified. But
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I'm still just like, he shouldn't be back with Bridget
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Fonda anyway. She shouldn't have taken him back. But I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: guess that's her. I mean, that's a that's a larger
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: conversation of whether you should take a cheater back. Um,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean some people do. We don't know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: we don't know, we're not here, But that's not what
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: this podcast. That's a hard note. It would be like,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just like sexuality is fluid. Whatever
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: else grow at anyway, Um, what were we talking about?
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I'm really we're talking about what we were talking about,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Jason Lee's insidious blow. You were talking about how
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: um Sam's ex wife is portrayed sympathetically but also hetty.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: At the end of the movie is portraits. She fucking
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: kills all these people and they still kind of give
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: her a like she's just crazy, please forget we could
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: all go crazy, right, So it's not so much that
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I was saying that his ex wife was portrayed sympathetically.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: It was more than Ali, we don't see her being
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: like this jealous, she's hetty woman. I was like, that's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: nice to see on screen. We're not used to seeing that. Um, yeah,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: she's comfortable with the fact that that he has an
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: X and that went as far as the story goes.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: It makes it that much more devastating that, like she
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: should have been sucking. That's why being chill is not helpful.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: If your chill, someone's sucking someone else, just don't disagree.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: You know. I'll never knock be in chill. That's why
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I'm always on high alert. I'm always like, I don't
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: want to put that out. I'm not putting that out
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: in the universe. Did you betray me? We we likely? Yes,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you know what? Probably? Yeah, I'm not saying that someone like,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: people are always betraying you know. It's okay, I'm very
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: everyone somehow give each other life notes and somehow don't
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: have what it takes. Do not be betrayed. That's not
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm saying that everybody's a piece of shit,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: every one except for me, right except for you? Okay,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: thank you? Please tell me I'm perfect. You people are
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: perfect and I don't even have to so much. I
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: think you're perfect too, Jamie, all right, you're perfect too.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Then we don't know each other. We don't know. I mean, yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'll let you guys in on my secret. Well,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that's why you're bound abound waiting for everybody's nipples to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: get hard. So, okay, I want to talk about the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: scene where Hetty forcibly gives Sam a blowdram classic scene
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that I would say, this is kind of what that
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: this movie is known for. Okay, So that's like the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: famous that's like the famous scene. Gotcha did I miss?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: How did she get into She looks so much like Ali?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: So she gets obsessed with Ali so much and like
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: her dead win that she like starts dressing like her.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: There's a great scene where she realized where Ali realizes
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that she and Hetty both have the same clothes. Now,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Ali basically bought all her same outfits. Then she went
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: to a hair salon and got an identical short haircut
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and dyed her hair like orange. Right, Yeah, she got
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the same terrible haircut. So so then she just swoops
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: into Sam's building and the security guard is like lets
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: her in because like his apartment. Yeah, that's his apartment
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: because it is called Hotel Atherton, So I get it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Is it a hotel? Well, he's probably just long term
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: staying there because she gave him the boot. They kind
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of have like that. Hetty just steals a lot of keys,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: like that's just part of her. She's got the fucking everywhere.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: She stold a letter that Sam said Ali with keys
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: in it. So I think that's how she had access
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to his That was Ali's place, like because he moved out.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: So what I was assuming is like, in my head
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I justified it by she just like went to the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: doorman and was looking like yeah because he called her like,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: you know, Mrs Jones or whatever. What confused me about
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that scene is that, Okay, by the time Sam figures
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: out it's not his fiance He's about to nut. I
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: get that. He nuts, He's almost there. I get it. Afterwards,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: he simply rolls over. Why the aftermath of that is
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: really weird. She gave such an incredible blow job. He's
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: all out of sword a moment. Well, and it's also
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: jet lagged. He was just on a trip. I think
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you're kind of a lot of slack there. He rolls
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: over when I think you're cutting him slack by he
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: knew that it wasn't Ali. Well, I just think it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a cool choice for him too. I still think he's
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: with cheat on her. I do think that's true. I
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: give the movie credit that, um they didn't have Like
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: it would have been lame if he came and then
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: she popped her head up and it was not his fiancee.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Like I thought it was cool that, Like he caes
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: her and it's like oh no, and then he's like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: oh I can't stop. Anyways, that made it so much
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: tension and like and so much more conflict there of like, Okay,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: she kind of proves his point, like in her crazy mentality,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: she's trying to come guys, it's all good. What I
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't I wasn't upset that he came. I was upset
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: they rolled over. I was like, you should kick her out,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Like why are you so feeling his chest? As yeah,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and he's not pushing her. I felt the choice like
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: from either like the script or the actor was just
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: like to be he's so in shock of like, oh no,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I just fu fucked up so bad that he doesn't
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: know what it did, right, Like I almost interpreted it
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: interpreted as it was like sort of sexual assault and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that like I kind of resisted, but like also kind
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of didn't, and then like I could argue that it
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: was like I think that he was ripped. He was
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: ripped by her, like I kind of just fooled into
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a blow job under which lasted second. He was like,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I know this helmet haircut. She's great. She goes to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that S and M club and just sucking sucks dick
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the whole time club. Oh yeah, that was great. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, of course she goes to this
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Like it didn't it too wild? What a fun movie.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It's just I miss I missed this era of movies,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Like they just don't make weird movies like this, And
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: this was a mainstream columb yeah, like it's so surprised
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: it's not more famous. I get like, I want to
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: make other people watch this movie, and I like, really
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I just miss like I do like when there was
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: some element of weird sexual tension and just like movies
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: being a little bit more risque um which they are
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: now they're all pretty watered down. I mean, there's more
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: risk a stuff on cable, but it's just well, something
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: interesting pretty came when you go to the movies. Something
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: interesting about this movie. To me, it was like that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like if this movie was made now,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: because a very very similar version of this movie that
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I did see that was very bad, called The Roommate
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: came out when I was in college, and it was
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: about a college roommate. Right, so I read that this
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that that movie was criticized for copying this movie exactly. Yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: it's like basically the same movie but way worse, and
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: but it's weird. I feel like if people made this
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: movie right now, it would be like stigmatized for like well,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: mental health and Nona, And first of all, I love
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: mental health. I realized that I had a bipolar pill
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: lodged in my laptop when I took it out. However,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I like, you know, if if that were the basic,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: like Yardstick, then there wouldn't be movies like the one
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: where Kathy Bates goes nuts or the one where Gloss
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: goes nuts misery. If it'll attraction. You know what else
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I think you like kind of um male version of
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: this movie is Cable Guy. I've never seen and it's
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: like unfortunate, but I really do enjoy all of those
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: movies where someone just fucking goes nuts, and those don't
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: come out very much anymore. I feel like for that reason,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: right right, I don't know problematic opinion, why, Jamie, I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: just do I feel like I see, like I said before,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: single white female relationships pop up here in the air
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: of you realize your roommates dressing exactly like you now,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: or picking up all these qualities, like you can see
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: that amongst a bunch of friends where it starts to
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: get a little stalkery, and I find it fascinating. And
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I do feel like this movie kind of hits something
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: in that zone that is real. Yeah, it's all it's
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: all exaggerated, but it's so I don't know. I was
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: put off by way less of it than I expected
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to be put off by. But we were talking about
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: a scene where she goes to she follows Hetty, Ali
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: follows Heady to an S and M club and she's
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: very uncomfortable there and I can't if some woman comes
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: on door and it's like, says something like you want
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to play or something like that. I can't remember what
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: exactly she says. Um. And then she sees Hetty hitting
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: on a guy that looks just like Sam, and she's like,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you look like my sister's fiance. It's just a really nice,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: extra creepy layer that you throw on there. Oh it's
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: it's and and then like people, doesn't someone presume doesn't
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: someone call Hetty Alley in that scene? And I may
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: sing that up um, I think a few people are
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: like I thought you were, Like, I think Graham the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: gay the gay friend upstairs does. I loved Graham at first.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I thought I didn't know at first, when Graham is
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: overhearing Sam and Ali break up the first time at
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie, I was like, Oh, this
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: guy is a weird person who lives upstairs. But then
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: he turned their trick. This amazing guy who in like
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the end of the second act is like, by the way,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I hear you fo a lot. The fucking listening through
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the vans ends up being an important story point plan.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: But it turns out she didn't know, because apparently Graham
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: either doesn't funk a lot or goes to a second location.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: You don't know. Yeah, Graham's class acts. He's a class
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, he works real quietly, respect for his neighbor
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: class of people fuck in silence. Well, he mentions at
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the beginning that he doesn't have any he doesn't have
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a guy to fuck, so he's like, I'm single. We
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: want to Graham spin often, I know a single. Somebody
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: writes some Graham fan fiction or it's Graham and his
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: cat and he's talking about all the crazy people who
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: have been in and out of this building. Graham truly
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: is first an amazing friend. Like he calls his psychologist
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: friend at like eleven at night and was like, listen,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: there's a situation going on with my friend you I'll
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: put her on And then he I mean, I'm glad
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: that he wasn't murdered. Yeah, in the end, he survives, right,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: does does the And I did see that the writer
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: of the movie is gay, And I'm curious is like
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: projecting himself on to Graham a little bit, and that's
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: why he's like sort of this very noble, heroic figure.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense because I was shocked
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that the gay character lived until the end, like like
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: once she entered his apartment. That's why I thought that
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the fiancee was going to live and not Graham, because
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, it is the basically definitely
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: expect Sam to live. I also liked because you guys
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: were talking about whether Sam would really die if you
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: got to heal through his his eyeball, but I thought
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: it was cool, just like I think it's a visually
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: cool way to kill somebody, just as like a movie
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: trope those specific shoes. Yes, that's like you say, like
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: that on your line, but like they show off the
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: shoes in a really weird way where like the heel
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: it looks like a knife and it has this medacine
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: quality about it, and so it kind of pays off
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: when it goes through his eyeball. There's a bunch of
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: like plan payoff situations like that in this movie that
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I think are done pretty well. And like when you
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: said that you thought the Graham was going to be
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: like a creepy person. One of the reasons I like
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: this movie and think it's pretty good is that it
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: manipulates expectations a lot, totally make you think one thing
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and then something. Yeah. I like movies that that play
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: into like you've seen a bunch of movies we're gonna
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: play against that. It was good because it was like
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: genuine like the earliest indication that because I truly had
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: no context for this movie, and like the earliest indication
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: you get is the music, Like even before you know
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that Jennifer Jason Lee is crazy, you hear that she's
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: crazy in the music, and then you see it, but
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it unfolds kind of cool
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the way she kind of like sneaks up on her
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: right and she enters the apartment, like doesn't knock on
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the door, just like comes in. Ali's crying on the floor.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: She gets like super close to her before she's like, hey,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I'm here. That was sort of like the first indicator
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: that there was something off about her. But it takes
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a while after that before you see anymore like alarming behavior,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Like you almost get why Ali was befriending her because
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: she's vulnerable, she needs a friend. Ali gets busted going
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: through her ship. Ali's that that was great. That's a
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: great She's going through her ship and like putting on
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: her clip I think I love this movie. I have
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: such a funny choice, like, yeah, Hetty's got clip on
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: arians that she's going to give you as a present.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: It did. She was so touched. She's like, really, do
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: you want to give me your clip on? You're right,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Like it pays off a lot of stuff well that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: it sets up earlier, which actually made me sad for
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the current state of a lot of movies where I
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: feel like things are just so much lazier now than
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: they used to be. Like them when they insert that
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: shot of her throwing away the receipt from the pet
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: store when she bought the dog, just to have the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: lie of her being like I found the dogs. They
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: were giving it away just such a small thing for
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: like just another Like she's already clearly crazy and like
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: they did a great job of showing us that, but
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: they literally show you the receipts. Yeah, they're like, she's
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: really checking off every box of like back when I
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: don't know that it probably didn't focus groups for this
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and be like where didould get the dog from? Like
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: when they cared, I did feel like they really give
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: a funk about this b movie. Yeah, it's a fucking
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: thriller that like knows what it is, but like they
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: really care about it. Oh, we haven't talked about the
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the weird bald guy rapes scene yet, Like we talked
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: about when it comes back as the hero almost hero
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: of the entire movie. But the scene where like you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: know that he's you know from moment one because he
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: basically humiliates Pritchett Fonda at the beginning, which like you
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: could argue as a business power move, but he's like
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: it was humiliated. He would have never talked that way
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: if that if she was a man, you would have
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: that conversation would have gone entirely differently, right and then,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: but he interpreted humiliating in her as like I probably
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: made her pretty horny then by really just crashing or
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: even that has a good sort of high load of it.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Of they set you up. You don't like him, but
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: she does such a great job that change like this
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: is great, Like you're really good, and so she lets
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: him in a little bit. He takes advantage of that
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and then it is a creep But then that information
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: from when she was like, here's my mind and my
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: other numbers so we can talk about it later of
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: my neighbor's my neighbor's that's being important. Huh. It is
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: crazy because you know, you could very easily assume that
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: once he's an asshole to her at the beginning, and
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: then the you know, the second time you encounter him,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: he's like, Wow, you did a great job. That could
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: very easily be like and that's it for that character.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: That was his purpose. But then when he comes back
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: and that I wanted to just zoom in on his
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: face for that entire Weird Lecturers scene where he is
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: like so, you know, like just a very creepy massage,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: and Bridge of Fonda does a great job of seeming
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: very set that it's happening, and you know she's gonna
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: like beat him up. You know, it's like he's not
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you know. I like how she gives this volleyball like
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: classes are yeah, just sorry, And that helped that really
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: illustrated because the listeners we needed that. I nearly knocked
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the mic over to demonstrate the move. But yeah, he
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: immediately goes into he rubs her down for a second
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and it is immediately expecting a blowjob and it's just
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: sucking whipping his I want to use that line now,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: can I at least turn around? I'm very romantic when
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: he started it? And I also want to use that
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: volleyball move at something, just smash a guy in the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: ball the power like that. Yeah, and he goes, but
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: then he saves the day later he's like, you know what,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I'm actually a pretty good pretty good I tried to
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: write you. Because then he comes to leave, he's like
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: kind of rape and some like he's doing doing the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: same fucking backrupt moved later and he's like his older secretary,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: which was another great Cassie choice. And that's even fun
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: where because she's like, he's like, shut off all the
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: computers right now, and she just leans back because she
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: wants it because she fucking hates him too. Yeah, Oh
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: my god, that guy's story is crazy because then Jennifer
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Jasonly calls him and is, you know, like his wife
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and pretends to be a She's like, you know, like
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: you're going to be in big trouble if you ever
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: say anything, and but then just insane to me. I
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: wonder if that happens in the book insane to me
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: that he comes that he's like half redeemed when he's like,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: this guy is bad, just kidding, he's fine just getting
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: his a rapist, but he might also save the day.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: But also he's dead now. I really like how there
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: it's all real world struggles to me and all ship
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: that I feel like everybody can empathize with. Where it's
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: like she's got a fucking amazing apartment that's cheap, and
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: they want to hold on to it at all costs,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and it's a huge source. There's a huge source of
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: agony for her. She doesn't want to kick her out
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: because but she has to because it's a great place.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: And then she's got her own business and she's got
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: all this work stress, and then it's like job stress,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: relationship stress, housing stress. It's like the ship everybody deals
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: with it feel like, and that's what this movie is about.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: She just happened to get a crazy roommate. It's the
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: other The scene. The last time I'll mention the Raby
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: guy unless we unless we have more reason to is Mitch.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep calling him Mitch Meyerson. Um. But the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: scene after that happens. I thought it was very like,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like it was very well written to me,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Like right before um Hetty calls his wife and you're like, oh, yeah,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: she's crazy. But that scene where Ali is saying like, oh,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: it's actually my fault and like, now this is gonna
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: sabotage my career because I you know, rightfully volleyball this
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: guy in the nuts for being a rapist. But she's like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: you know, and this is somehow going to ruin my business.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: And that felt like I was like, whoa, that's a
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: very real moment in the movie because I'm like, that's like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: that's not an atypical reaction to being you know, like assaulted,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and it's and it's also probably not an atypical reaction
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to what actually would have happened. And so that was
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: weird and that that was sort of a moment where
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I was like, if I was Ali, I would be
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: pro heady at that moment when you know, when she
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: was saying like, what you're not gonna do something about this,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: it's clearly not your fault, and it's like okay, Hetty,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, and then she does something crazy and
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: then kills like definitely was like the irredeemable thing that
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: she does. So she doesn't kill the cats, So I
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: like her. What is Cathy Bates kill? She kills something
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: in misery? Yeah, Glenn Close kills rabbit. I love Glenn class.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: She boils it in a pot. She's a wild child.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I love her. I love damages. We should all watch it.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Fatal attraction. I feel like, is he started to get
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: the ball rolling enough? Like yeah, what leads to single
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: white female? That's true because it's fatal attractions like nine
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: like that a few years before. Yeah. Yeah, the late
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: eighties early nineties was the time for for this genre
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: of thriller. It's very good. Um, I want to talk
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: about the For like the longest time watching this movie,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, there's so much female nudity. Where,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: so many nipples, so many naked lady bonnies. Let's see
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: some dick. It's not going to happen, but it happens.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: We see a sliver, see sliver Stephen Webber's dick. Yeah,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Sam when he like because he does whip out of
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: bed after he gets his blow jaw u um and
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: he's upset. You get a little full frontal action in there,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: but I was like, that's it. Actually, I like all
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: the nudity in it, because even the female nudity is
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: not necessarily like sexual, and a couple of the scenes
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: it's just like it's just people are naked, which I
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: think there should be more nudity in movies. I mean
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I just think in like a realistic way because it
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: definitely plays into like she gets naked around her and
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Ali's weirded it out by how often head he just
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: like takes her shirt off and stuff. Um, but I
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: don't know. I always think it's weird when like two
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: characters are in bed and they're not naked, like just
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you're an actor being naked, and I think that I'm
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to sound like see dude, It's
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: like it's like something like getting get naked. You're in
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the picture, you want to be in the movie. You
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: want to be in the picture, you take your top off.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Nobody sits in bed like that. I your nips is
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: a cube, do the rest. My favorite is when there's
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: a sex scene in the movie and the actress is
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: like clearly not agreed to show any nudity, so like
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: she's got her bra and while they're just banging banging
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: it out. That's how you say it, right. If it
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: were realistic, everyone would be naked except the man is
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: for some reason, wearing socks still really goes. Yeah. For me,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: sex is as clothes as possible. Zero eye contact, well
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: for sure, zero eye contact. Let's not ruin the experience
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: by remember. Yeah, I'm just glad that we saw some
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: dick that was nice. I also, yeah, you gotta gotta
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: check it out. Is it is it worth the peak
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: virus watching the movie? Never mind? Uh? Yeah, I had
• 55:02
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• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Stars via Amazon rent I rented on iTunes. I'm the
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: only one supporting this town, this town, hey ladies on
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: this movie that we all liked, and I'm the only
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: one been off the street. He was barking at women
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: on this I got some ice cubes like that walk
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Oh god. The other The other thing I want to
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: talk about is um and I don't even know if
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning, but a lot of these, a lot
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: of the movie. It wouldn't have played out the way
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: it had had Alie not been so nice and or naive.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, she's so accommodating to Hetty that it's
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: almost infuriating. I'm like, she bought you know that she's
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: bought all your clothes and that she it just but
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: that feels that's all kind of real with me too,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: of like she's really trying to make the best out
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: of this situation where I feel like it it would be
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: possible for some audience members to sort of switch to
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Hetty's side at any point by being like, well, Ali
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: was kind of mean to her at this moment or
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: at this moment, and like, but Ali's so overly nice
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: to her, even at the very end where Ali is like,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I'm still trying to forgive her and blah blah blah.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Like till the very end, she's too She's absolutely too
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: nice and forgiving literally everyone. I am truly shocked that
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: the ending is her thinking about how she's going to
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: try to forgive the woman that almost murdered her best
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: friend and did for her fiance and killed her dog,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: gave and killed her a dog, killed her a dog.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you would hey, no, you won't be
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: a star. I do like that that she that's just
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: surprised me, and I mean they do she has no friends.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: She's trying to get over this breakup. It's yeah, also
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: another way, she's in the fashion age industry. Fashion there's
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: but also in that ending segment, there's a weird reference
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: to Graham saying like Sam's dead, get over it, basically
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: of like I spent a while morning Sam, but Graham
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: said I had to move on. I was like, is
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that really what you say to your best friend after
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: they were murdered by the same person you were almost
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: murdered by Graham. I'm just remembering what after she thinks
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: she killed Graham and um Ali walks in on her
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: in the shower and like really weird, and then she
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: stares at her bloody clothes. She blames it on her.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, She's like, do you want tea?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Even then she's like we're trying your scamping. Yeah, you're
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: camping because you can help that. I was like, that
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: was a sink full of blood and she was so
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: much blood, Like it always happens when I'm where you're
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: not supposed to in your period. It always you just
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: ring it out into your sink into like clogs. Like
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: what the funk was that she clotted their bathroom? Sink
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: it was crazy. No, I can totally relate, and I'm
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: a very nice person, so I like, really get it. Oh,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I thought you were saying I'm very heavy. Every time
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I think o J was innocent, she bled to death
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: that she just got a really bad period. I just
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: started watching. I just started watching the people versus o
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Jam really enjoying it. Oh, it's good. You gotta watch
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the ESPN documentary. I'm going to watch that as well.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I've seen it twice. Nice, I'm gonna watch it again.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess it boils down to, Uh, this
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: one relationship between these two characters is so complex and interesting,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Like we got this nice lady who just wants to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: be nice and accommodating. We've got this uh woman with
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: the personality disorder that also makes her homicidal. Uh what
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: put them together? And why do you like advertisement for
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: mental health care? Yeah? True, her parents do care what
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: happens to her, trying to help herntal neglect thing. Even
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the weirdo her checks the cash checks, that horny cash.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Her boss is like, your dad's calling here. He says,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: he's gonna come on down the New York City. If
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: you don't get together and she's like, I've gotta go.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: She's like, you're an actress, right, and you're yeah, I
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: like it. I love it. It looks good. I did like,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm gonna go blonde. She's like, oh my god.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Then she comes, Oh my god, coming coming on the clock.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Very cool. Uh. But then the I I also just like,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: on a very basic level, like the fact that even
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: though we don't necessarily know what Ali's job is, she
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: is both clearly very good at her job, owns her
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: own business, and as a nice person. Where I feel
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: like that is not where most movies go. If someone
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: if a woman's getting her job, she's usually not nice.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: All seeing the Devil Wears product two weeks notice, et cetera. Uh, Yeah,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: that was an interesting portrayal. I liked they made a
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: lot of choices that I really was on board with
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: and that I really liked this movie. Yeah, everyone watch it,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Slee female ever start referencing it, so I'm not alone? Yeah,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: because I can't. I wonder what the percentages of people
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: said something along the lines of like, she's single white
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: female in you. I don't know what I would think
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: if you said that to me. I would just be like, Wow,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: this guy hates single white female. She's women move out.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Uh do you have a lot of friends who found
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: horrible situations like that that you're having to drop in it? Constantly,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: drop the reference all the time. Yeah, I've definitely been
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: in Sam's position many a time. You can't stop banging
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: your ex wife. She's got her hooks on me. Keep going,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: I keep going to her place to tell her I'm
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: with somebody new. And how he talks that off though,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: he's like she was sad. Yeah, she was droning like
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: it's like, Sam, you rascal. I don't like that. What
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I do like is that oftentimes a woman who is
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: like the other party of a cheating situation is the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: one who's like targeted to be like, you're the villain,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: you home record, you awful person. But she's never seen
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: on screen. We don't even mention her again. We hear her, really,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: we hear she is stand there. But I like that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: all of Alley's anger is targeted towards Sam until it's immediately,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: not until it's not. She's like, wait, he sent me
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: a letter, He showed up unannounced, fucking making out and
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: like about to fuck Meanwhile, Hetty's watching in the window
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: and the old lady sponsor. I forgot to feel old
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: lady from like, who's been an old lady in a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: hundred movies? She started acting, you know, she was in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: four hundred movies from ages like sixties seven to seventy two.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: She's God, I can't wait to go on r IMDb
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: because I'm sure it's all like old neighbor, old lady librarian.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Where was Hetty's We saw Hetty at work once, didn't we?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: She works at a bookstore? She does. Okay, well, I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: feel stigmatized. What do you mean, as a psychopath who's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: worked at a bookstore, I feel stamentized. Yeah, I reckon.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen this movie, you probably haven't also
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: listened to this episode of the podcast because we spoiled
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the entire thing. Yeah, you should listened to this. Yeah
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: if you, oh man, you made a huge mistake. Um.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I do like at the end of the movie that
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: they insinuate if you don't forgive the person that wronged you,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: you will become them. That is kind of really a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: weird lesson for you know what. I kind of want
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: to see Ali as a crazy person. Was there a sequel.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Let's see, there was a sequel that came out like
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: ten years ago that was like a directive video. Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: The last thing I want to say is that we
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: do see like there's a short beat where Graham kind
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: of saves Ali. Whenever, why couldn't he have saved Ali
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: instead of the rapist? Well he does, but if he'd
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: woken up like ten minutes earlier, that whole weird situation
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: would have been avoided. They had to draw out the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: ten draw the tension, and it led to the big
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: like trailer moment that I remember of him ripping the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: tape off her face and she and it's a close
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: up of Bridget Fond and she says, look out, she's crazy. Yeah. Wait,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: So whenever ned Ryerson goes to confront her, he never
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: gets into the apartment, right, like the neighbor or the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: landlord or something shoos them away or does he you know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: because she has she's that's actually another finds her. She
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: goes to the basement to get Alie's bags, and she
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: crawls into it to see if she can fit a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: body in there. And then and then so she then
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: she brings the bag back up and and Mitch, of
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: course notices that it has Ali's name on it, and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: so he barges his way in and locks. But I
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: also can't imagine speaking that way to a stranger, like
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: you do know her? I don't know. But then he
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: goes in and just like a series of big reactions
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: from Mitch Meyerson saying like you know, he's like, you
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: do know her? And he pushes in and he goes
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: what the fuck and then he straddles the woman he
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: almost raped not three days ago. Yeah, that would have
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: been really fucked up if he was like, now I
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: got you kind of finish what I started. I'm a
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: fucking pervert. I like, man, I wasn't too upset when
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: he got whacked. Yeah, and I don't think. I don't
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: think you're supposed to be whacked as in like mobster
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: style killed, or like whacked over the head. I forget
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: what happens. I didn't get to this. He was whacked
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: over the head, right, he was whacked. Yeah, I feel
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: like it's a pretty vague way that he dies. Okay,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: steampunk check. This is the first movie we've ever talked
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: about that I does not have. I was wondering if
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: you would be able to stephorn steampunk in here. No
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: steampunk culture in this movie, which is probably like it movie.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: That's why I like it. And also I think this
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: movie predates steampunk culture. That is true. I was in
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: San Francisco again this week and I saw the steampunk
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: guy again on the accordion pants guy. The accordion pants guy.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: There's a guy in San Francisco who I was so mad.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I went to the same I remembered cross streets and like,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: let me go back and see if he's still there,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: and fucking of course it's a Monday, he's still there.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Grow up. I know. I'm like having a very hard
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: time arriving at a point, but I swear I did
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: have one that I like that she ends up ultimately
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: saving herself. Like there's that brief moment where like Graham
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: kind of steps in, but then I feel like he
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: he gets hit or something, and that's again. So then
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Hetty takes her to the basement and then they have
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: that fight down there. So I like that, like she
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be saved by a man, she saves herself.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I like that she throws a rat on Hetty, yeah,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: because I was like, no, she's gonna squeal at the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: rat and then she's gonna be caught. But she has
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: the fourth side to be like, let me throw the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: rat on my enemy. Yes, she does wind up being
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: unbelievably strong, Like, she does some pretty acrobatic stuff over.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing. That's pretty great. She's a software developer
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: for the fashion industry. Of course she's strong. She can
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: do anything. They set up that screw driver for a while,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: they did one of those. Yeah, yeah, anyone else have
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: any final thoughts about I liked this movie so much.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Thanks for introducing it to us. Yeah, my pleasure. I'm
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: glad you guys enjoyed it. Thanks for having me on
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: talking about perhap. I know the final thing we need
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: to talk about is whether or not the movie passes
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: the Bechdel test. Does it does? Yeah? And almost every scene.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Good job movie. Um, a lot of the ones we've
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: talked about don't even try, don't time for nipples. Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: We rate the movie on a scale of zero to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: five nipples based on its portrayal of about like women,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: So we ran on nipple scale. I like the odd
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: number of nipples. Yeah, that's how a human number body works. Well, okay,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: five sets of nipples. Nipples total five nipples five We've
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: ought one, two, three, four, five? Okay okay, yeah, we're
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: just not always all right unless some of us are.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: What are the types of animals that like their penis
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: will like withdraw into their body like whales? It's like
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: that for something that's also human. Sometimes women's nipples just
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: shrink into the body. Yeah, I aspire to have no
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: nipples one day. It's another one of my bucket list things.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: And go flip a table. What was the other thing?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: If you just gotta go sucking nipples right hand, it's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: really a mind over matter kind of thing. I'm gonna
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: think my nipples away. To pop your nipples out. God,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I miss them. Just hold your breath and let them.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to write a self help book called Think
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: your Nipples Away. Please do. I'll buy it, thank you. Okay, Okay,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: you go first. Since in rating it, I would give
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: this movie because it has such an interesting representation of
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: like the relation chips and a lot of trips that
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: we see, especially if this genre are subverted and things
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: like that. I would give this movie like a four.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Four nipples. Yeahs, I have to describe the nipples all right,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: half fast fun. I'm excited to describe my nipples. Okay,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: the two of them belong to Ali empowered, empowered nipples.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: They're very nice, just beautiful New York and cool New
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: York and cool um. And then the other two belong
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: uh god, I don't they're just they're four nice nipples.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: You don't want to you don't want to talk about
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Hettie's nipples? Is that where this is going? You're kind
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: of bp D nips. They're not as nice as Allie's.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I mean that's part of the story, right, Well, but
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: like a are they Well we see both of them,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: but I think we see Hettie's nipples more. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: he's naked a lot in this movie. She's naked a lot,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: and she's hot. She's a hot babe. I'm giving it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: four nipples. You're gonna give her two nipples for nipples.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: I'm giving her two nipples for nipples. I'm going to
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: give four nipples as well. Two of them belong to
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Hetty's dead twin. Two of them belong to Ali's computer program.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Nipple ladies. That's great, Okay, I'm giving two to the
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: old neighbor. Yeah you know what, Yeah, let's give him
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: to both women over. I don't know if um Mitch's
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: secretary was, but she's definitely, you know, one of the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: older characters in the movie. It's true. I'm giving her
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: my other two nipples. Are there any people of color
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: in this movie? No, that it's very why it is.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: But and this is not to defend a lack of representation,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: but there we really only know five or six characters
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: in this entire movie. The cast is very small. You
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: can you usually make Graham a person of color, It's true.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: And then and then if he lives, that would be
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: a double victory. Yeah, we did it. We did it.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: This was a fun one. This was fun. Yeah, we
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: are now can no and tie you well, let's save
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: the noises. Yeah, thanks again for being here. Thanks. Do
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: you do you have anything you'd like to plug? Yeah,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: I mean the first part of your question. No, I
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: don't really, I don't really have anything to plug. You
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: can go to my mostly unused social media I'm Ben
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Underscore Rogers on Twitter. Follow me, I tweet like I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: don't know, and once a month, I'm getting off the
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: end Internet. I'm done. You're wow, We're about with the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: internet pushed ben off into the sea on an iceberg.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: This was his last stand. Yeah, this is it for me,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: this send off you went out. Yeah, I want my
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: last words to be about single wife female. I tweet
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: too much. I tweeted too much about my hamster on
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. It got pointed out to me. It's okay,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: we had a fun night. It got pointed out to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: you some of we gotta talk your hamster. Hey, we're worried.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Did you spend all night with your hamster on Valentine's Day? Uh? No,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: I also watched the Jinks at my gay best friend's house,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: sot it down on the hamster ship. So I would
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: never show my hamster the jinks. She's too young. You
• 1:12:49
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• 1:12:52
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• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: like the other shows that are like follow us on
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Twitter and then we don't tweet. Yeah we tweets. Yeah,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: not like me, not something schmuck like me. Don't follow
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: well us Yeah, yeah, hamsters and content entertain you me.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I just want to I'm like, try not to write
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: about things I'm angry about. I try not to be
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: a sixty five year old angry grandfather. Speaking of angry
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: grandfathers on Twitter, my dad has more Twitter followers than me.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Yet again, what I had him beat for a solid
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: six months and then he had some sort of surge
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  Speaker 1: and now he has sixty d followers on Twitter. It's
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  Speaker 1: fucking wild. No he I wish, I wish I could
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  Speaker 1: give him that he broke some news about the Boston
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  Speaker 1: Bruins and then suddenly he's got like four hundred more followers.
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  Speaker 1: He journalist. How does he have so many followers? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's a hockey reporter. So whenever something hot he happens,
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  Speaker 1: he gets a surge. It's not hard, it's not fair
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  Speaker 1: by by some followers. I'm gonna buy followers and be like,
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  Speaker 1: funk you dad. All right, well, I think this is
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