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The Art of Surrender with Dr. 1Drea Pennington Wasio · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Thepist podcast. My name is Ga Macpherson.
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Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who dedicated their lives to helping
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Speaker 1: those who've been impacted by trauma. Here we go for
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Speaker 1: five or three, two and one, our folks, welcome back
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Speaker 1: to the podcast. Very excited to have with my guests today,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Andrea Pennington WASCIO. Doctor Andrea, welcome.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me guy. It's good to be here.
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Speaker 1: Awesome so. Doctor Andrea, formerly known as Andrea Pennington, is
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Speaker 1: an American intricated physician, founder of Soul Sense Alchemy and
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Speaker 1: the holistic health company and media platform Innate Vitality, which
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Speaker 1: integrates modern neuroscience with aesthetics, music, and conscious media. She's
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Speaker 1: a certified psychedelic assistant, therapy facilitator and psilocybin retreat leader,
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Speaker 1: and the creator of the Cornerstone Process for Conscious Evolution
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Speaker 1: and the Atumbent Meditation. With over two decades the medical
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Speaker 1: practice specialized in trauma recovery, addiction medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, acupuncture,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Andrea has provided medical services, workshops, and retreats to
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Speaker 1: help thousands of people build resilience reclaim vitality after Burnout,
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Speaker 1: Recover from advers childhood Experiences, and Nurture Real Self Love.
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Speaker 1: She's written or contributed to eighteen books and as the
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Speaker 1: best selling author of the Top ten Traits of Highly
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Speaker 1: Resilient People, as well as a Real Self Love Handbook,
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Speaker 1: among others.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Andrea, Welcome, Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: So look, I before we started going here, I said
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Speaker 1: to you, you know, I encountered you for the first
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Speaker 1: time through the Academy of Therapy Wisdom's Wisdom Circle and
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Speaker 1: where you provided a workshop on based on your book
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Speaker 1: about Resilience and the Top Man, and I was blown away,
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Speaker 1: not just by how the what you provided and how
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Speaker 1: researched well researched it obviously was, but the way you
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Speaker 1: present I mean, this is not your first rodeo. You
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Speaker 1: were like, no, credible, and I'm just really inspired by that.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, I just want to say that a way
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Speaker 1: as a way of kind of introduction on my part,
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Speaker 1: and I'm really honored to have you here.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. I mean that means a
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Speaker 2: lot to me and I'm sure we'll get into the
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Speaker 2: background of my world, but as a performer, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's a good segue here. So how look,
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Speaker 1: you have a really interesting background. I'm always intrigued by
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Speaker 1: people who are into Western medicine and then venture out.
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Speaker 1: How did all this start for you?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the first venturing out happened when I
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Speaker 2: was in my third year of medical school. I was
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Speaker 2: in a traditional med school in the United States, the
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Speaker 2: Washington University School of Medicine. But my mom, who was
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Speaker 2: also a physician, she was working in a mental health
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Speaker 2: hospital as the medical director, which meant that she oversaw
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Speaker 2: the psych ward that had alcoholics and people in going
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Speaker 2: through detox. And as part of her continuing education, she
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Speaker 2: took a course on acupuncture for drug and alcohol detox.
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Speaker 2: So that's to give you the background. So I was
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Speaker 2: talking to her and she was explaining how she was
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Speaker 2: helping people get off of crack cocaine. This was in
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Speaker 2: the nineties when crack in America was a big thing
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Speaker 2: in Atlanta, and she was saying that with putting in
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Speaker 2: these five little needles in the ear and letting people relax,
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Speaker 2: they were detoxing as outpatients. So you've seen the movies.
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Speaker 2: You've seen people, you know, coming out of withdrawal. It's
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Speaker 2: not pretty. And I had just done a psych rotation
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Speaker 2: at the hospital and I was like, Mom, that is
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Speaker 2: that's cruel. You can't do that as an outpatient, like
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Speaker 2: they need you know, ivy support. No, no, no, and
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Speaker 2: she said no, this protocol, which comes from China works.
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Speaker 2: So I happened to be visiting her over the Christmas break.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't addicted to anything, but I said, I want
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Speaker 2: to try this acupuncture thing. So she sat me down,
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Speaker 2: put in the needles, dimmed the light, played some soft music,
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Speaker 2: and within moments, whoosh, I felt this rush of energy.
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Speaker 2: I had tears streaming down my face. And have you
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Speaker 2: ever had acupuncture? I have, so you know that there's
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Speaker 2: no injection, there's nothing in the needle. They just placed
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Speaker 2: the needle. So I was like, what is happening? What
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Speaker 2: is this? So I went back to my medical school
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Speaker 2: and convinced Ardine to let me go to the Bronx
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Speaker 2: New York, to the Lincoln Hospital where I got to
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Speaker 2: study with doctor Michael Smith, who was the pioneer in
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Speaker 2: bringing this protocol to the US. And I put in
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Speaker 2: over one hundred treatments and watched people, men and women
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Speaker 2: detox before my very eyes. That was the first you know,
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Speaker 2: mind opening experience, and it was the first time that
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Speaker 2: I really learned about inducing altered states of consciousness without
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Speaker 2: drugs or alcohol. Because this particular protocol, people will tell
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Speaker 2: you it feels like you've taken something like a valume
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Speaker 2: or a nice red wine. These are the ways that
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Speaker 2: people describe it. I now understand that what I experienced
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Speaker 2: was what some people would call a Kundalini rising or
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Speaker 2: awakening when I had that first experience, so that really
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Speaker 2: opened my eyes. That was in my third year of
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Speaker 2: medical school, and by the time I graduated, I knew
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Speaker 2: that I was going to be integrating East and West
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Speaker 2: into my world. So I got additional training in acupuncture
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Speaker 2: for primary care physicians, and voila. I've just kept going
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Speaker 2: ever since.
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Speaker 1: So, Okay, your mother was a physician, so obviously that
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Speaker 1: was there. As some somes a model talk about your
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Speaker 1: own desire to become a physician and what that meant
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Speaker 1: for you.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not a very uncommon story, you know, the
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Speaker 2: wounded healer. I endured quite a bit of wounding in childhood,
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Speaker 2: from abuse to all sorts of adverse childhood experiences. So
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Speaker 2: I think the idea of being able to help people
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Speaker 2: in the way that my mom was doing that really
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Speaker 2: impacted me as a child. I studied biology and chemistry
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Speaker 2: at undergrad but all the while I was a performer.
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Speaker 2: You know, I really consider myself a performing artist because
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Speaker 2: since childhood that was really my lifeline. Of the toxic
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Speaker 2: environment in our dysfunctional family came from my father, who
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Speaker 2: at that time was very much a task master, very
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Speaker 2: much a do what I say, fall in line, follow
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Speaker 2: the instructions, or you're going to get a whoopin. And I,
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Speaker 2: being the youngest and being very impressionable, I took that
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Speaker 2: warning to a tea and so you know, that's kind
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Speaker 2: of why I'm saying, like you reflecting back how I
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Speaker 2: presented and how it seemed so well researched, that's a
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Speaker 2: trauma response, you know, for me and my childhood. I
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Speaker 2: learned by watching my brother and sister and how my
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Speaker 2: dad punished them if they didn't do well in school.
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Speaker 2: That created this perfectionist part that led me to always
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Speaker 2: over checking, double checking my facts, creating presentations that were
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Speaker 2: just way too in depth. It eventually led to burnout
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Speaker 2: because when you're a compulsive, you know, approvals seeker, there
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Speaker 2: is no end like there is no perfect Now I
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Speaker 2: can rest. So that's what has always kind of had
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Speaker 2: me going toward I want to learn, but the spiritual
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Speaker 2: side of me is like, yeah, but I also want
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Speaker 2: to just be me, and who I really am is
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Speaker 2: an artist. So that's that's a little bit of that.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that, and I think it's it's
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Speaker 1: so interesting, but it's also inspiring that you were able
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Speaker 1: to in a sense, keep that part of you, keep
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Speaker 1: that performer, that soul part of you in a sense,
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Speaker 1: because we all hear stories of people getting into medicine
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Speaker 1: for all the wrong reasons, and but you also were
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Speaker 1: open to Eastern philosophies and Eastern medicines in a way
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people are in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really grateful for that to have had that
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Speaker 2: early on, because it did open my mind to understanding
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Speaker 2: that there are other cultures that have a totally different
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Speaker 2: approach to healing and to wellness. It's also why the
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Speaker 2: name of one of my companies is Innate Vitality. What
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Speaker 2: I learned in studying Chinese medicine is that the human
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Speaker 2: organism we have encoded in our DNA and innate vitality code,
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Speaker 2: it is a code that tells the body to bring
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Speaker 2: you back to baseline. In the West, we would call
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Speaker 2: that homeostasis. Right, the body knows how to return to
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Speaker 2: a baseline. If you eat too much salt, the kidneys
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Speaker 2: know what to do, so you change your regulation of
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Speaker 2: water and pee out what you need to pee out. Right,
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Speaker 2: So the body knows how to heal even without all
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Speaker 2: of the medicines that allopathic medicine would push on us.
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Speaker 2: And so when I started really exploring, when I set
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Speaker 2: up my own wellness center, I was exposed to a
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Speaker 2: lot of different modalities from craniosacral to the list goes on.
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Speaker 2: And then someone told me that I should check out
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Speaker 2: this shaman who is doing a retreat in Sedona. And
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Speaker 2: at the time, I was not woo woo at all.
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Speaker 2: It was just like okay, and it was they were
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Speaker 2: talking about these rights of passage and an initiation and
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Speaker 2: trans dance, and I said, Okay, I'm going to go
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Speaker 2: check this out. And boy was my mind blown wide open.
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Speaker 2: As you can imagine what happened. Well, you know this,
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Speaker 2: I was just thirty something, so I was only a
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Speaker 2: few years into my professional career. And what was interesting
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Speaker 2: is the shaman really explained on this sort of wheel
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Speaker 2: of life, how we as humans go through these various
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Speaker 2: phases and stages of stepping into the next version of ourselves.
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Speaker 2: So if you look at the rights of passage for
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Speaker 2: a young girl who begins her period, or a young man,
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Speaker 2: or when we even become parents, like that, there's a
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Speaker 2: certain right of passage, but many cultures actually have ceremonies
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Speaker 2: and rituals around them. And one of the things he
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Speaker 2: pointed out on this wheel is like is like saying that,
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Speaker 2: you know, the first part of our lives because we're
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Speaker 2: not in these shamanic or indigenous communities, We're busy building
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Speaker 2: an ego, trying to show the world that were good enough,
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Speaker 2: you know, And then you get to a point of
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Speaker 2: awakening where you're like, is this really what I want
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Speaker 2: to be doing with my life? Is this really who
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Speaker 2: I am? And that really struck a chord for me
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Speaker 2: because I had been doing all the TV and books
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Speaker 2: and all the accomplishment that never felt satisfying, and I
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Speaker 2: realized maybe I am on this initiatory path as well,
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Speaker 2: maybe I'm going to discover something. And when the Shamans
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Speaker 2: started talking about how he facilitates ayahuasca retreats in the
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Speaker 2: jungles of Hawaii. I was super intrigued until he got
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Speaker 2: to the point of saying that in his retreats you
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Speaker 2: had to dig your own hole in the jungle to
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Speaker 2: pup or poop in, and that the ceremonies happened at night,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like hallucinogenic in the jungle at night, and
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Speaker 2: I might puke. Like no, So I didn't answer the
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Speaker 2: call right then and there. But a few years later
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Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to sit with ayahuasca, which was
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Speaker 2: yet another initiation into this the sacred path.
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Speaker 1: Wow, no, come on, it's I mean, this is so
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Speaker 1: inspiring to hear you moving into yourself, your soul. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of us want to do that
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Speaker 1: and are striving to do that. When you were in
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Speaker 1: medical school, you had the experience with the acupuncture and
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Speaker 1: so forth. Talk about the time where you said to
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Speaker 1: yourself or the evolution when you said to yourself, when
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Speaker 1: I get out, I want to do this. What was
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Speaker 1: this for you?
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Speaker 2: Initially this was having a wellness center where we could
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Speaker 2: bring in psychology, medicine, beauty, esthetics, and Chinese medicine. And
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Speaker 2: within a year or two of finishing my residency at Georgetown,
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Speaker 2: I opened up a wellness center with my mom and
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Speaker 2: we started a program for binge eating disorder that involved
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Speaker 2: these same ear protocol I was telling you about. And
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Speaker 2: we had acupuncture, we had Chinese medicine and herbs, we
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Speaker 2: had traditional psychology, medicine, the whole shebang. We even had
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Speaker 2: a fitness center in our wellness center and a holistic spa,
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Speaker 2: and that was the vision I had and was able
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Speaker 2: to realize that. At the same time, I got recruited
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Speaker 2: by Discovery Channel to serve as their medical director for
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Speaker 2: the new health channel that they launched, so that brought
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Speaker 2: the performer part of me back out. So there I
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Speaker 2: was a doctor playing a doctor on TV, which in
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Speaker 2: the beginning was fun, but there came a moment, as
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Speaker 2: you can imagine, where it just wasn't fulfilling. And it's
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Speaker 2: like you say, so many of us are hungry for
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Speaker 2: or yearning for this sense of authenticity, and for me
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Speaker 2: it really became painful because in my wellness center, I
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Speaker 2: was seeing people transform in this very holistic paradigm and
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Speaker 2: I wanted to bring elements of that to the documentaries
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Speaker 2: and the news that I was doing with Discovery and
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Speaker 2: they were like, WHOA, that's like a little fringe. Maybe
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Speaker 2: you need to be out in California. And I'm like, no,
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Speaker 2: this is like real science.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: I had attended the NIH Consensus Conference in Bethesda, Maryland
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Speaker 2: on acupuncture. I'm like, no, this is not just weirdo stuff.
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Speaker 2: And that set up this tension between this professional career
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Speaker 2: that I had in the media and my professional career
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Speaker 2: as a holistic wellness SPA owner. And it got to
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Speaker 2: the point where I found myself like putting on a
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Speaker 2: mask to go to the studio and do the TV
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Speaker 2: stuff and then changing into something else, and that for
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Speaker 2: me started to feel just wrong, and I started to
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Speaker 2: feel anxiety and depression. And I call it a dark
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Speaker 2: Knight of the ego. I know a lot of people
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Speaker 2: say dark Knight of the soul, but as I looked
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Speaker 2: at the original poem by San Juan de la Cruz,
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Speaker 2: he never called it the dark Knight of the Soul.
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Speaker 2: He called it dark Knight noce escura. And as I
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Speaker 2: was reading through this poem, it's the ego that goes
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Speaker 2: through this grasping and grappling with who am I? What
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Speaker 2: is this world? All about, and that's what I was feeling.
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Speaker 2: I was really feeling like I can't go on like this.
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Speaker 2: And so in two thousand and five, when I was
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Speaker 2: on a vacation, I had a blissful experience of performing
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Speaker 2: in a nightclub in Saint Tropez here in the south
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Speaker 2: of France, and then returned to my hotel and the
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Speaker 2: next morning I kind of woke up like, wow, what
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Speaker 2: was that. Like I was in the flow. I was
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Speaker 2: feeling true love for myself, and even though this crowd
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Speaker 2: didn't know me, I felt like they loved and accepted me.
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Speaker 2: And it was the first taste of this authentic love
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Speaker 2: self love and receiving love. And it was a moment
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Speaker 2: of despair because I called out to God and I said,
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Speaker 2: I can't, I can't go back to that life. I
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Speaker 2: don't want it. And I wasn't suicidal. I wouldn't take
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Speaker 2: my own life, but I did not want my life anymore.
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Speaker 2: And so I called out to God and said, take it,
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Speaker 2: take it all, my life, my business, like I don't
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Speaker 2: know what I'm doing with it. And as I flung
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Speaker 2: myself onto the bed, just shaking and crying, all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden, I felt my body melt into the bed,
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Speaker 2: and then there was this blinding light and I'm thinking,
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Speaker 2: how how does the sun get any brighter? It's you know,
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Speaker 2: And then I realized it wasn't outside, it was sort
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Speaker 2: of in my head consciousness, and I felt myself being
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Speaker 2: pulled into this light, and I literally thought that God
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Speaker 2: has finally answered my prayer and was going to deliver
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Speaker 2: me from this life of misery. But instead I got
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Speaker 2: pulled through this tunnel and when I got to the
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Speaker 2: other side, I saw a complete life review in a
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Speaker 2: split second, and I could see with like this knowingness,
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Speaker 2: exactly why I was depressed. It was completely clear to
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Speaker 2: me at that point, and that was the moment where
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Speaker 2: I really said, Okay, something else is going on here.
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Speaker 2: And I had this experience of being shown a vision
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Speaker 2: of my future, one that looked really blissful, and that
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Speaker 2: was yet another initiation onto this path of truly living
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Speaker 2: authentically and I haven't stopped.
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Speaker 1: So what did you do? What would change or changes
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Speaker 1: did you need to make to facilitate that?
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Speaker 2: Well, the first thing that I saw when I saw
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Speaker 2: that that review of my life, I sensed the presence
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Speaker 2: of a guide beside me in this out of body
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Speaker 2: vision and I was like, oh, you mean I could
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Speaker 2: have chosen differently, which sounds dumb, but in my little
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Speaker 2: mind it was like I didn't know I could have
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Speaker 2: chosen differently, and just that knowingness, I said, Okay, well,
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Speaker 2: if I can choose differently, I'll go back. And that's
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Speaker 2: when I saw this vision of me walking hand in
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Speaker 2: hand with a child on the French riviera. At the time,
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Speaker 2: I was thirty four and single, so I'm like, I
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Speaker 2: don't know how that's going to happen, but okay. And
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Speaker 2: there were some other things about what I would be
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Speaker 2: doing professionally, like singing and this weird sort of healing
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Speaker 2: with my hands thing, and when I said yes to
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Speaker 2: that vision, I was instantly brought back to my body
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Speaker 2: and I sat up. The depression that I had was
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Speaker 2: completely gone, and I called up my COEO at the
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Speaker 2: time and said, this is what just happened, and it
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Speaker 2: looks like I'm going to be singing, so there's going
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Speaker 2: to be some changes. And it took some time for
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Speaker 2: me to like uncouple from this big media career that
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Speaker 2: I had, but I did it, and within a few
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Speaker 2: months I was pregnant and the following year I was
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Speaker 2: ready to shift the way I was working so that
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Speaker 2: I could move here to the south of France where
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Speaker 2: I live now.
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Speaker 1: Before we started, you said you are working on a
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Speaker 1: new book. Is this what this book is about?
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Speaker 2: In a sense, Yes, okay, it is.
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Speaker 1: Do we have a name? Do you have a name
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Speaker 1: for it? Can we talk about that or what? Yes?
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Speaker 2: Actually, I'm getting this trademarked. I've been advised by lawyers.
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Speaker 2: It's called The Dark Knight of the Ego and the
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Speaker 2: Dawn of the Soul. So already on my website, I've
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Speaker 2: done a full analysis of San Juan de la Cruz's
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Speaker 2: poem and why I make of Yes, yes, of course,
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Speaker 2: of course I have. But I really wanted to have
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Speaker 2: some meat behind this, and so what I see is
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Speaker 2: that we go through these five stages in this dark
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Speaker 2: night to dawn progression, and that's what I want to
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Speaker 2: share in this book. I'm first creating a guidebook that
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Speaker 2: will lead people through these stages, because it's scary, whether
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Speaker 2: it's you realizing your career doesn't fit, your relationship doesn't fit,
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Speaker 2: maybe you're even coming to terms with your sexuality. You know,
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Speaker 2: I've worked with so many people who go through various
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Speaker 2: life transitions, and it feels like this utter darkness where
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Speaker 2: they're isolated, they're alone, they're confused, and they just want
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Speaker 2: some support to get through it. After you've been through
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Speaker 2: it a few times, I'm a pattern recognition geek. I
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Speaker 2: recognize that the same patterns that some of my patients
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Speaker 2: went through when they were recovering from substance abuse. That
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Speaker 2: was what I needed to go through. This dismantling of
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Speaker 2: the false self, this uncovering of who am I really?
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Speaker 2: If I hadn't been so coerced and programmed, who would
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Speaker 2: I have been? And then that remaking of a sense
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Speaker 2: of self. But just like in the poem Noceoscura, when
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Speaker 2: San Juan is talking about the dawn, it's because the
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Speaker 2: ego is finally given up and it's the soul that emerges.
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Speaker 2: And it's like what you were talking about, Like, when
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Speaker 2: that authentic self comes forward, that's when we start to
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Speaker 2: see that little glimmer of light and then we can
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Speaker 2: move upward and start rebuilding our life. For some of
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Speaker 2: us quite extensively and substantially. And so yeah, this is
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Speaker 2: something that I'm really passionate about. It's the subject of
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Speaker 2: my next TED talk. And I really just want to
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Speaker 2: support people with another way to look at the dark
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Speaker 2: times in our lives.
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Speaker 1: What is this book out?
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Speaker 2: The Guidebook will be out in the fall of twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four, So it's a concise guidebook to lead you
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Speaker 2: through the five stages using my cornerstone process, which is
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Speaker 2: outlined in my book, The Real Self Love Handbook. And
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Speaker 2: then in twenty twenty five, I'm publishing an anthology which
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Speaker 2: will include my story and other people's stories going through
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Speaker 2: these five stages of the dark Knight to Dawn.
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Speaker 1: So I know we don't have a lot of time
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Speaker 1: to talk about all of it, But getting back to
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Speaker 1: this book, here is it for people who are just
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm not doing it, I'm not living authentically
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Speaker 1: and how do I get there?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of it. It could be the people
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Speaker 2: that just know that the old you doesn't fit, but
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Speaker 2: you're not quite ready to step into the new you.
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Speaker 2: It's that liminal space that's kind of sticky and confusing
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Speaker 2: for some people, they'll find this book really helpful in
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Speaker 2: getting out of or out or recovering from loss. You know,
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Speaker 2: I am I'm now crossing over the threshold into being
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Speaker 2: an empty nester, my eighteen year old daughter is now
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Speaker 2: out doing her thing, and so it's it's left this space,
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Speaker 2: and while it's not dark for me, it does cause
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Speaker 2: this questioning, okay, of who am I and what will
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Speaker 2: I be next? And so it's for people who are
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Speaker 2: going through a transition where you know you're leaving something
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Speaker 2: behind and whether you're doing that willingly or it's been
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Speaker 2: ripped from you and you're stepping into Yeah, we've all
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Speaker 2: been there, like isn't it true? Like, so I really
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Speaker 2: wanted to be able to show people that the darkness
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Speaker 2: doesn't last forever. There will be a dawn. It's it's
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Speaker 2: it's the law, the dawn comes.
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Speaker 1: What I'm just I just have to ask you this question,
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Speaker 1: what does it require from us? Because I'm going back
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Speaker 1: to your the self resilient the top ten markers, and
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Speaker 1: self awareness is the first one. And it feels like, well,
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Speaker 1: if you're not even aware, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, well that is the first step of the cornerstone process.
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Speaker 2: It's awareness. So, just like you heard in our talk
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Speaker 2: about the top ten traits of highly resilient people, we
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Speaker 2: have a bunch of exercises and reflection prompts to increase
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Speaker 2: that self awareness. What we're doing is literally teasing apart
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Speaker 2: what is the false self or the ego? How have
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Speaker 2: you been programmed versus what is your spiritual DNA or
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Speaker 2: your soul print. What you will have to give up
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Speaker 2: is that sense of control. And that's why it's the
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Speaker 2: dark Knight for the ego. The ego wants to cling
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Speaker 2: and know what's next. Who am I? Wait? This is
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Speaker 2: who I am in going through this transition. You're going
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Speaker 2: to be able to learn the art of surrender, of
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Speaker 2: letting go of the illusion of control, maybe even saying
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Speaker 2: goodbye to a part of you, or even relationships that
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Speaker 2: no longer fit because who you're becoming is so different.
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Speaker 2: So it's that willingness to do this self reflective work,
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Speaker 2: the willingness to surrender, and the courage to step forward.
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Speaker 2: But we support you all along the way.
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Speaker 1: It sounds amazing. It also feels like it's been interested
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Speaker 1: to hear your response, a reflection in a way of
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Speaker 1: our culture and how so many of us are like,
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Speaker 1: the hell is going on? Not just out there, but
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Speaker 1: a lot of us are feeling something's not working? Is
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Speaker 1: this it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Hell? Yes?
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Speaker 2: And you know what I saw this during the pandemic.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was online leading guided meditations, helping people
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Speaker 2: like grapple with the stress and the unknown. It was
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Speaker 2: the year that we published the first edition of the
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Speaker 2: Top ten Traits of Highly Resilient People. So we published
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Speaker 2: that in January of twenty twenty, and it instantly became
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Speaker 2: a bestseller because people were like, what do we do.
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Speaker 2: But one of the things that I learned during the
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Speaker 2: pandemic and have seen it now four years out, is
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Speaker 2: there is this awakening people like it or not. Pain
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Speaker 2: is a good catalyst for transformation and spiritual awakening, and
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Speaker 2: the pandemic gave people time to really look at themselves.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people admitted like, wow, I didn't realize
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Speaker 2: I was in burnout until I had the moment to
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Speaker 2: pause and reflect. And so what I see now is
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Speaker 2: that the political unrest, the wars, the genocide, the politics,
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Speaker 2: the global warming, like all of it, it feels like
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Speaker 2: humanity is going through a dark night of the ego,
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Speaker 2: a collective dark knight of the ego, where these power
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Speaker 2: structures that were built through ego are starting to crumble.
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Speaker 2: And then at the same time people are waking up
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Speaker 2: and saying, wait, what's going on? Out there isn't right.
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Speaker 2: Even if that's not my tribe, you guys can't keep
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Speaker 2: doing this. It's a collective awakening, and I believe it's
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Speaker 2: preceding the dawn of our collective soul. At least that's
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Speaker 2: that's what I'm hoping for, and that's what I have
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Speaker 2: to hold on to, because if you look at the
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Speaker 2: media and what they feed us, you can very quickly
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Speaker 2: lose hope, and I don't want us to do that.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, doctor Andrea, What's look? First of all, when your
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Speaker 1: book comes out, you're welcome to come on here and
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Speaker 1: talk about love to have you back. But in the meantime,
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Speaker 1: what's the best way for people to get in touch
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Speaker 1: with you and learn more about your work?
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Speaker 2: Visit me online Onerea dot com. That's the number one
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Speaker 2: dr ea dot com. And at one Drea dot com
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Speaker 2: you'll find out all the little things that I'm doing
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Speaker 2: and get some free meditations and good stuff.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll have that linked up here at the
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Speaker 1: show notes page at the Trauma Theavers podcast dot com. Awesome, damn,
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Speaker 1: thank you. Well.
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Speaker 2: I'm so so grateful, so grateful for this opportunity to
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Speaker 2: really dive into this because it is my passion, and
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Speaker 2: I appreciate the space that you provided.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, take care Bright for now.