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Katharine Giovanni · Postcards to the Universe

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Capria. Do
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Speaker 1: you believe in magic? What if you were told that
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Speaker 1: all you had to do was get a little creative
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Speaker 1: and work a magic spell to bring anything you can
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Speaker 1: imagine into your life. Here on Postcards to the Universe,
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Speaker 1: we will share manifesting tips, postcards, creativity, abundance, and prosperity.
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Speaker 1: Here is your host, Melissa Capria.
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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, and welcome to Postcards to the Universe with
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Speaker 2: Melissa creating the Life you crave. It's Wednesday. How is
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Speaker 2: everybody doing? I hope everybody is doing well. I have
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Speaker 2: a really cool show today. I have author Catherine Giovanni
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Speaker 2: with me and she has a book titled The Ultimate
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Speaker 2: Path to Forgiveness, Unlocking Your Power. And it's going to
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Speaker 2: be a really good conversation because I'm sure if we
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Speaker 2: live long enough, there's going to be somebody we need
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Speaker 2: to forgive or we need to forgive ourselves for something.
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Speaker 2: So I'm excited to speak with her and she's going
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Speaker 2: to join me in just a couple of minutes. To
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Speaker 2: my regulars, thank you so much for being here each week.
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Speaker 2: I love you. I appreciate it so much. Get your messages.
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Speaker 2: It means the world to me. If you're joining me
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Speaker 2: for the first time, I want to say welcome and
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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy the show today. And you can
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Speaker 2: listen to any of the shows in the archives on
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Speaker 2: Own Times Radio. There's always a description of the guests
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Speaker 2: that I have and what we're going to be talking about.
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Speaker 2: And you can also find all my shows on Postcards
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Speaker 2: to the Universe dot com under podcast and it's on
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Speaker 2: your favorite podcasting platforms too, so you can always find them.
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Speaker 2: You can always find them there. I just wanted to
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Speaker 2: tell you guys, especially for the newcomers, that my background is.
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Speaker 2: I am an artist. I'm a photographer. I'm also an author.
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Speaker 2: I have a book titled Postcards to the Universe, Harness
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Speaker 2: the Universe's power and manifest your dreams. And what I
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Speaker 2: did with my book was I have people creating manifesting
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Speaker 2: postcards kind of like a vision board. And so when
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Speaker 2: somebody like taps into their creativity and puts all their
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Speaker 2: energy and what they want and the visuals and what
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Speaker 2: they want to manifest, I photograph it and then I
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Speaker 2: would share their story in my book when it showed
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Speaker 2: up in their reality. So it was really fun doing
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Speaker 2: the book. I have a lot of writing exercises about
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Speaker 2: getting clear on what we do want to manifest and
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 3: All the big areas health.
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Speaker 2: Love, relationships, career, and it was such a delight doing
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Speaker 2: the book. And I'm still always taking getting postcards. So
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Speaker 2: if you want to create a manifesting postcard, please you
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Speaker 2: can find out how to do it on postcards to
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Speaker 2: Theuniverse dot com and you can also see the address,
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Speaker 2: and if you have any questions, you know, just reach
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Speaker 2: out to me and I will help you. We're having
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Speaker 2: a big show and exhibit here where I live in
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Speaker 2: these I live in the Salebopen Artist Loss in Fort Lauderdale.
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Speaker 2: So there's twenty six visual artists. We have a couple
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Speaker 2: performing artists, and I have all my postcards to Universe
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Speaker 2: work up on the gallery wall.
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Speaker 3: So if you're in.
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Speaker 2: South Florida and you want to come to the reception,
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Speaker 2: it is February twenty first, from six to ten pm.
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Speaker 2: And if you need any information, just reach out to me.
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Speaker 2: But I'm posting it all on my social media, Okay,
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Speaker 2: So let me get to my guests today because I
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Speaker 2: really think this is an important conversation. Catherine Giovanni is
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Speaker 2: a three time award winning best selling author, speaker, and
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Speaker 2: one of the original founders of the independent concierge industry.
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Speaker 2: Catherine has authored over twelve books, including her latest release,
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Speaker 2: The Ultimate Path to Forgiveness, Unlocking Your Power. Catherine's journey
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Speaker 2: is one of remarkable resilience, surviving stage three breast cancer
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Speaker 2: and overcoming the hardships of a turbulent childhood. Her experiences
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Speaker 2: have shaped her deep understanding of forgiveness and personal transformation.
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Speaker 2: Join us as she shares powerful insights and life changing
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Speaker 2: lessons that will leave you feeling inspired and empowered.
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Speaker 3: Whether through her.
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Speaker 2: Books, speaking engagements, or consulting sessions, Catherine is dedicated to
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Speaker 2: helping individuals and organizations tap into their full potential. Her
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Speaker 2: approach is refreshingly practical and deeply transformative, making her a
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Speaker 2: thought after voice in the fields of forgiveness, intuition, personal empowerment,
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Speaker 2: and the concierge and hospitality industries. For more information, go
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Speaker 2: to her website Catherine Giovanni dot com and I'm going
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Speaker 2: to spell it because she spells her. She spells Catherine
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Speaker 2: with an A K A T H A R I
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Speaker 2: N E. Giovanni g I O V A N n
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Speaker 2: I dot com. Welcome Catherine. Thanks so much for being
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Speaker 2: here with me today.
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk to you because I really think
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Speaker 2: forgiveness is super important and one of the if not
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Speaker 2: one of the the hardest thing to do. So it is,
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Speaker 2: how did you How did you get into the work
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Speaker 2: of forgiveness? I'm the supers from your own your own
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Speaker 2: personal experiences, right, It's always that way.
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Speaker 3: To be a forgiveness coach, you have to have a
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Speaker 3: plafora of cramp in your past, right, right. So the
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Speaker 3: problem with forgiveness is everybody and they're and their uncle
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Speaker 3: tells you have to forgive your parents, you're teachers your past. Everybody. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: nobody teaches you how. Nobody teaches you how. And what
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Speaker 3: if you don't want to, then what do you do?
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Speaker 3: What if it's something over what if it's something that's
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Speaker 3: completely unforgivable, then what do you do? So what I
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Speaker 3: do is I teach people the how. And it stems
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Speaker 3: from it stems from a pretty dysfunctional youth and I
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Speaker 3: was terribly bullied in school, tried to commit suicide of
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Speaker 3: the eighth grade, and I turned into one of those teenagers.
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Speaker 3: Everybody knows one of those teenagers. And I kind of
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Speaker 3: just bounced through life, to be honest, until my mother
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Speaker 3: fell down a flight of stairs, broke her hip, and
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Speaker 3: ended up in the hospital. Because even she couldn't get
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Speaker 3: a gin and tonic in the hospital, bless her heart,
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Speaker 3: so she tried out and we spent the next three
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Speaker 3: years closer than sisters. We were tighter than tight, and
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Speaker 3: we forgave each other and we did everything together. And
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Speaker 3: then she died of breast cancer, and everybody listening everybody
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Speaker 3: as a flashpoint, and you don't know it's a flash
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Speaker 3: point when you're going through it, but when you look
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Speaker 3: back in your life, you can look at it and say,
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Speaker 3: you know, that was the day it all changed. Well,
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Speaker 3: when she died, I realized that if I didn't change,
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Speaker 3: I would probably die too. So it was the only
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Speaker 3: New Year's resolution I actually ever kept. I've been sober
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Speaker 3: now for fifty no thirty five years.
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Speaker 2: There we go, oneerful congratulations mm hmm.
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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. But in that beginning stuff, you're supposed
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Speaker 3: to make amends, and you're supposed to reach out to
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Speaker 3: people and I am an extroverted introvert now, but back then,
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Speaker 3: I'm painfully shy, and we didn't have texting. I would
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Speaker 3: have happily texted these people easily, but we didn't have it.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, write letters and call, and I have no
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Speaker 3: intrensions of calling people who are gonna yell at so
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Speaker 3: I didn't. I just paid lip service. Yeah, I forgive
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Speaker 3: you you saw, you know, I just you know, I
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Speaker 3: paid lip service to it. And it wasn't until I
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Speaker 3: kept doing it. And the more I paid lip service, strangely,
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Speaker 3: the better I felt. So I kind of got some
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Speaker 3: feeling into it. And I went through breast cancer. I've
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Speaker 3: been I have been breast cancer free for but twelve
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Speaker 3: years now, and in twenty twenty, I finally figured out
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Speaker 3: exactly the step by step method to forgiveness. And I
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Speaker 3: used to teach it in business because I am a
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Speaker 3: confierce trainer, and I can't teach you to be warm,
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Speaker 3: friendly and approachable if you're angry inside, because the anger
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Speaker 3: is gonna go through your body language. So I had
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Speaker 3: to teach forgiveness in business as well, because you know
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Speaker 3: people are going to notice unless you're George Clooney and
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Speaker 3: you can hide it. Not everybody has had ye actors
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Speaker 3: right because they have the skills are always pretending, right.
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Speaker 2: But it's interesting because you and we all know it,
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Speaker 2: right we All you have to do is drive and
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Speaker 2: during rush hour and you can see people who are angry.
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Speaker 3: Everything go right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, So there's so many people that are just
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Speaker 2: full of rage and anger and resentment and you may
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Speaker 2: be the receiver of that because of something a situation happened,
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Speaker 2: but you're not the cause of their own you know,
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Speaker 2: it's their life, whatever happened to them in their life.
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Speaker 2: So I think forgiveness work is so important because I
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Speaker 2: imagine when you're doing the forgiveness work, a wonderful byproduct
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Speaker 2: of that is you're working for your anger and your
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Speaker 2: rage and your resentment at the same time, right.
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Speaker 3: And you're you feel better. The thing about your giges
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Speaker 3: is ten out of ten people listening to this right
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Speaker 3: now on a ten scale, with some unforgivable dumpster fire
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Speaker 3: and one being the easiest person in the world to forgive.
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Speaker 3: Every time single one of you is thinking of your
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Speaker 3: number ten person, the one person in an event you all
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Speaker 3: want to forgive. Yeah, that's fair. Everybody automatically thinks to
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Speaker 3: the most painful thing. But here's the thing. I don't
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Speaker 3: want you to start with the most painful one. I
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Speaker 3: want you to start with the easy ones. I want
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Speaker 3: you to start with the people you would label a
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Speaker 3: one to two or three. Start there, and as you
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Speaker 3: forgive these really easy people, you're gonna start to feel better.
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Speaker 3: But the thing about forgiveness is there's a couple of
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Speaker 3: things that people people think. First of all, just because
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Speaker 3: I forgive you doesn't mean I want a relationship with you.
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Speaker 3: I probably don't, right and you and and here's the
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Speaker 3: big one, just because I forgive you doesn't mean I'm
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Speaker 3: giving in and giving you a pass. It does not
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Speaker 3: mean that I am saying you were right and I
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Speaker 3: was wrong. Absolutely. One does not mean that forgiveness means
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Speaker 3: I want you out of my head. Period. When I
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Speaker 3: forgive people, it's not doing anything for the person i'm forgiving,
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Speaker 3: because they're off living their life and doing what they
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Speaker 3: want to do. We're the ones miserable. It's like Buddha said,
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Speaker 3: anger is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies. Right,
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Speaker 3: It's true.
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Speaker 2: That is the hardest one, though, That is it that
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Speaker 2: what you said if you think, and it's really hard,
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Speaker 2: because I've been there myself getting around that. Saying that
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Speaker 2: I forgive you is like saying it's okay what you
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Speaker 2: did to me, or how you hurt It isn't it isn't.
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Speaker 2: Yeah know, how do we like paying that switch that
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Speaker 2: like energy around it, or that thought around it, or emotion,
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Speaker 2: whatever it would be.
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Speaker 3: I have a method to forgive the unforgivable. So let
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Speaker 3: me share the actual method. And one of the things
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Speaker 3: that people, you know, they'll come up to me all
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Speaker 3: the time and they'll say, well, Catherine, I did do
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Speaker 3: the work. I did forgive them, but then I saw
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Speaker 3: them at a party or a book that reminded me
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Speaker 3: of them, and I got triggered again, and it took
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Speaker 3: me a week to come off the ceiling. How do
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Speaker 3: you remove those triggers and get them to stay forgiven? Well, Einstein,
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Speaker 3: I have a whole chapter in science in the book.
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Speaker 3: Einstein clearly proved energy is neither created nor destroyed. So
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Speaker 3: when you get angry, you think that anger just dissipates
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Speaker 3: into the universe if you think about it at all,
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Speaker 3: most of us don't. It doesn't. It hangs around your
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Speaker 3: energy field, and everything on our planet, including the phone
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Speaker 3: I'm speaking into, has an energy field around it. Everything, yep.
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Speaker 3: So when people don't stay forgiven, they didn't forgive the energy.
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Speaker 3: You didn't forgive the energy around the person as that
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Speaker 3: final little piece. So I'm going to have people sit
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Speaker 3: down on with a piece of paper. And yes, I
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Speaker 3: understand everybody wants to use their PC or their pentablet
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Speaker 3: or something like that, or their phone, but there have
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Speaker 3: been hundreds of thousands and I'm not kidding stuff he's done.
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Speaker 3: It's something magical. It goes from your brain and you
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Speaker 3: actually physically write it down on a piece of paper.
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Speaker 3: So finde paper and a pen, and I want you
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Speaker 3: to write down all the people you think you need
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Speaker 3: to forgive, and the unforgivable people are going to be
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Speaker 3: right at the top of that list, because that's who
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Speaker 3: you're all thinking about right now. And I'm going to
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Speaker 3: teach you how to forgive the unforgivable in a minute.
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Speaker 3: But I want you to write them all down from
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Speaker 3: the time you were in the sandbox in kindergarten to
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Speaker 3: present day. And then I want you to rate all
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Speaker 3: these people from one to ten. Now you could have
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Speaker 3: twenty number fours. I don't care. You could skip the number.
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Speaker 3: I also don't care, but I really want you to
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Speaker 3: rate these people from one to ten, and then I
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Speaker 3: want you to start with the number one. The person
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Speaker 3: who really you know, like the person who's stole your
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Speaker 3: parking space in the grocery store yesterday. You can forgive
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Speaker 3: that person. The person who cuts you up on I
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Speaker 3: ninety five, you could forgive that person they were like
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Speaker 3: to work. Come on, you can forgive the people right.
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Speaker 3: And I want you to be alone. You know your
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Speaker 3: your your phone has an off button. I know pemia
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Speaker 3: don't understand that, but if there is an I love
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Speaker 3: the silent, but I use it all the time and
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Speaker 3: I don't want to vibrate because if your phone dances
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Speaker 3: on your desk, you're gonna You're gonna pick it up.
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Speaker 3: So I want your phone off and I want you alone.
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Speaker 3: You do not have to reach out and call these people.
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Speaker 3: That's the beauty of it. Forgiveness is selfish. You do
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Speaker 3: it for you. Nobody has to know your dreams. Nobody.
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Speaker 3: So I want you to imagine the person is standing
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Speaker 3: in front of you, and if it's somebody from childhood,
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Speaker 3: I want you to imagine the childhood Fred as you
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Speaker 3: knew them, not the adult they are today. Put your
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Speaker 3: hand in your heart to remind you to speak from
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Speaker 3: the heart, because the words are really just for a
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Speaker 3: stupid humans. It's really the energy behind the words where.
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Speaker 2: The magic is at.
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Speaker 3: And then I want you to say, I completely forgive Martha,
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Speaker 3: to use an example, I completely forgive the inner around Martha.
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Speaker 3: I completely forgive myself. I completely forgive the energy around myself.
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Speaker 3: I completely forgive the energy around the entire situation. And
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Speaker 3: so it is, Ah, man, go with God and did
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Speaker 3: any way you like? And then imagine that they leave
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Speaker 3: the room. Now check in with your body. Did did
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Speaker 3: that number one go to a zero? Great? Cross them off?
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Speaker 3: Did that number one go up to a seven all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden? Oh? Why did that happen? Because your
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Speaker 3: brain is a brilliant tool and it protects you. And
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Speaker 3: forgiveness is like an onion. It's also like gravity. It's
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Speaker 3: gonna work whether you believe in it or not. It
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Speaker 3: doesn't care. So what you just did is you forgave
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Speaker 3: that first layer, and instead of being completely forgiven, you
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Speaker 3: unearthed the back closet of your mind. And your brain
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Speaker 3: is going Oh wow, Melissa's rad Okay, I'm gonna flutter
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Speaker 3: with memory. She doesn't know she has, but now you
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Speaker 3: got a brain new lift. Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
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Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense.
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Speaker 2: And I always think too, like forgiveness doesn't happen all
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Speaker 2: at once. You forgive a little in stages, right, like
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Speaker 2: especially something that's so horrible, that was so traumatizing you.
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Speaker 2: I mean some people maybe can do that, most of us,
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Speaker 2: I think, forgive a little a part of it at
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Speaker 2: a time, right, Like you said, it's like feeling an onion.
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Speaker 2: And I love the fact that you said that there's
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Speaker 2: the energy around it, and that energy never dies, it
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Speaker 2: just transforms. And that brings me back to reading the
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Speaker 2: works of like Louise Hay and doctor Joe Despenza talking
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Speaker 2: about how our emotions, especially trauma emotions or unforgiveness, how
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Speaker 2: we store it in our energy field and then it
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Speaker 2: can manifest as a disease in our body. Did you
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Speaker 2: find that you were doing the work helpful for your
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Speaker 2: own recovery?
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Speaker 3: I did. And there's a study done in Japan called
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Speaker 3: the Japanese Water Study. You can google it and you'll find.
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Speaker 2: That right away. I know exact I have I have
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Speaker 2: kosters that I'll say love and laugh and laugh things.
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Speaker 2: N that's I put my water on.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, every for those for those people that don't know
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Speaker 3: what the study is, I'll say fast and simple. They
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Speaker 3: he took several containers of water. All he did was
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Speaker 3: speak to the water. That's all he did. One container
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Speaker 3: of water he spoke love to. The other container of water,
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Speaker 3: absolute hate, awful things. He then froze the water and
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Speaker 3: he put it under a microscope. The water he spoke
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Speaker 3: love to had these beautiful formations. The water he spoke
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Speaker 3: he to had these awful, nasty formations. The human body
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Speaker 3: is over ninety five percent water. So when your self
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Speaker 3: talk is bad, when you're angry and holding onto all
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Speaker 3: that negativity, what do you think you're doing to the
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Speaker 3: water cells within your body? Oh for sure. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 3: why say anger is toxic. This is the how you're
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Speaker 3: literally changing the cells in your body. And when you forgive,
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Speaker 3: you're going to be transforming those cells from dark to light.
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Speaker 3: You're literally going to be changing yourself from the inside out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it makes it makes so much sense.
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Speaker 2: And when I would read Louise and she would talk
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Speaker 2: about how were certain cancers would manifest in certain parts
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Speaker 2: of your body that there were usually as significant, like
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Speaker 2: when you know women, if women were sexually assaulted, many
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Speaker 2: times they would get cancer in their uterine or cervix
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Speaker 2: or you know, because that is where the trauma, part
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Speaker 2: of the physical trauma happened.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: So it's just kind of like clicked in my head, right,
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Speaker 2: like it clicked. So so even though I know all
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Speaker 2: of this stuff intellectually, now, how do I how do
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Speaker 2: I incorporate this into my emotional body because that's where
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Speaker 2: we have the problem, right, I can tell you.
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Speaker 3: I can help. Let's take and let's take the unforgivable.
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Speaker 3: I do believe there are certain people and experiences that
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Speaker 3: are truly unforgivable. Yeah, and you'll never get there. There
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Speaker 3: might be a unicorn person on the planet who can
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Speaker 3: get there, but we're probably not that person. But there
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Speaker 3: are also things, there's always a part of that memory
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Speaker 3: that you can forgive. Now, first of all, because you
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Speaker 3: don't have to reach out to people when you're forgiving.
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Speaker 3: This means you can forgive dead people because where they
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Speaker 3: are or are not doesn't matter a wick because they're
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Speaker 3: alive and well in your head. So let's take one
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Speaker 3: of my unforgivable memories, the Bullyan School. And I couldn't
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Speaker 3: forgive the Bullyan school. In fact, I wasn't even sure
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Speaker 3: I wanted to forgive the energy around her, because I
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Speaker 3: was kind of mad, and I was in life fifteen
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Speaker 3: thinking about something that happened when dinosaurs roamed. It's ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: I shouldn't be thinking of something that happened, you know,
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Speaker 3: in the nineteen never mind what year it was. So
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Speaker 3: but yet I was so take apart the memory. Since
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Speaker 3: everything on our planet has energy around it. I forgave
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Speaker 3: my childhood's school and the energy around the buildings. I
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Speaker 3: forgave the table, the desk, the share. I forgave the
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Speaker 3: kids who stood around and didn't help. I forgave the
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Speaker 3: swing set, I forgave the ground. I forgave the data
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Speaker 3: and the calendar. I forgave nineteen seventy four. Why because
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Speaker 3: that was the year where it was at its pinnacle
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Speaker 3: and I tried to commit suicide. That's what it was.
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Speaker 2: The work.
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Speaker 3: I take apart the memory, and I haven't even forgiven
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Speaker 3: the bully or the energy around the bully. Yet I
20:41
Speaker 3: forgave everything else within the memory. You're never going to
20:45
Speaker 3: get a number ten person down to a one overnight.
20:49
Speaker 3: This is a marathon, not a sprint. Many many people
20:52
Speaker 3: call this shadow work because you're working in the shadows
20:55
Speaker 3: of the past. But you can get a trend down
20:58
Speaker 3: to a nine. And I still haven't forgiven the bully yet,
21:02
Speaker 3: but I've lightened it up a little bit because I'm
21:04
Speaker 3: forgiving other parts of the memory, and then you can
21:07
Speaker 3: go from a nine down to an eight. And it took.
21:11
Speaker 3: But for example, it took forever for me to forgive
21:13
Speaker 3: my father, and I started with memories of when he
21:18
Speaker 3: used to keep us when he was drinking, used to
21:19
Speaker 3: keep us at the table after dinner, which seemed like weeks,
21:23
Speaker 3: and I'm sure it was just hours, but you know,
21:25
Speaker 3: it seemed like forever. So I couldn't forgive my dad,
21:29
Speaker 3: but I could forgive the dining room table, in the
21:31
Speaker 3: chair I was sitting at, and I could forgive the
21:33
Speaker 3: food that I was eating I'm actually not kidding. And
21:35
Speaker 3: I could forgive my childhood home and the energy around
21:38
Speaker 3: all these things, and I started to feel better. So
21:42
Speaker 3: when you start to forgive, you're gonna start to feel better,
21:45
Speaker 3: even if you're only forgiving the ones, twos and threes,
21:47
Speaker 3: and you're not even getting to the dumpster fire. At
21:50
Speaker 3: the end, you're gonna start to feel better because the
21:53
Speaker 3: cells within your body are going to start to transform,
21:58
Speaker 3: and coffee will smell back, and you're gonna notice things.
22:02
Speaker 3: Why are you noticing things and paying attention to money
22:06
Speaker 3: making opportunities or your or your greatest you know, significant
22:10
Speaker 3: other Because before you were paying attention to your anger,
22:13
Speaker 3: it was all you could think about. It was in
22:16
Speaker 3: your thoughts. But now you've actually released some of those thoughts,
22:19
Speaker 3: so now you can pay attention to I don't know
22:22
Speaker 3: other things. And we haven't even gotten to the higher
22:25
Speaker 3: numbers yet.
22:27
Speaker 2: Wow, that makes so much sense to me. And I
22:29
Speaker 2: just had an aha, like when you were talking, because
22:31
Speaker 2: it never occurred to me to forgive maybe the place
22:36
Speaker 2: that something happened, the day that something happened, Like yeah,
22:41
Speaker 2: because there I've done a lot of forgiveness. And I
22:45
Speaker 2: wouldn't say I'm at a zero with my ex husband,
22:48
Speaker 2: but oh my god, I was at a ten and
22:49
Speaker 2: now I'm probably I don't don't know, like it too.
22:52
Speaker 2: You know, it's to me really good, So I'm you know,
22:54
Speaker 2: good working at it. Yeah, good so, But there was
22:58
Speaker 2: a place we lived in and it was a very
23:02
Speaker 2: small town, and I haven't been able to Every time
23:05
Speaker 2: the thought of going there again, I get that feeling
23:08
Speaker 2: like that tied up, you know, because it's the trauma happened,
23:13
Speaker 2: and it never occurred to me to forgive that. Never.
23:18
Speaker 2: Guess what I'm going to start doing now because around
23:24
Speaker 2: this town, like the town has nothing to do with.
23:28
Speaker 3: It, you know what I mean. It's not like I'm because.
23:33
Speaker 2: Because it happened there, right, Yeah, I had.
23:35
Speaker 3: To think me at the town and I'm not going
23:37
Speaker 3: to say the name of the town, but just because
23:40
Speaker 3: people lived there, I had to forgive the name of it.
23:44
Speaker 3: I had to forgive this town because every time I
23:47
Speaker 3: went to that town, I would be triggered by memory, yep.
23:51
Speaker 3: And I had to go through not just one memory,
23:53
Speaker 3: but a lot of memories, and I would forgive the
23:56
Speaker 3: peace as it came up. I had to forgive the
23:59
Speaker 3: state where he lived.
24:00
Speaker 2: I had to forgive all these things working that I'm
24:04
Speaker 2: going to start working and not to see if I
24:06
Speaker 2: can even bring it down further.
24:08
Speaker 3: You know, you can make it anything. You can forgive
24:12
Speaker 3: dates on the calendar cities. You can forgive politicians. Dare
24:16
Speaker 3: I say you can forgive the war in the Middle East.
24:19
Speaker 3: What's it going to do in the Middle East? Absolutely nothing.
24:23
Speaker 3: But if it's pissing you off in your bread in
24:25
Speaker 3: your head, you can forgive your football that's weekend. You
24:29
Speaker 3: can forgive the team.
24:32
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it makes sense because everything is energy, So
24:36
Speaker 2: my energy affects everybody else I come in contact with, right,
24:40
Speaker 2: and then so on and so on and so on.
24:42
Speaker 2: So truthfully, that's why they say, if you want to
24:44
Speaker 2: change the world, you start with yourself, because just your
24:48
Speaker 2: energy shifting, you know, could have a direct effect on
24:51
Speaker 2: the person you interact with energy shifting, and it just
24:54
Speaker 2: progresses and progressive and progressive. So who wants to walk around,
24:58
Speaker 2: you know, reseentful, angry and rageful all the time and fantasies.
25:02
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, maybe a lot of people don't,
25:04
Speaker 2: but revenge, you know, because I'm because I've had revenge fantasies,
25:09
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. When I've been really hurt,
25:11
Speaker 2: I'm assuming other people do too. That's a terrible energy
25:14
Speaker 2: to be in.
25:14
Speaker 3: It's normal. Who hasn't gone on Facebook and seeing their
25:18
Speaker 3: childhood bully and their childhood bully. Let's say broke their
25:21
Speaker 3: broke their arm or their leg, and you're saying karma,
25:24
Speaker 3: that's what you get.
25:25
Speaker 2: Karma.
25:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always say karma all the time. Is this
25:30
Speaker 3: a nice thing to say?
25:31
Speaker 2: No?
25:31
Speaker 3: But we're all human, We're all right. But let's talk
25:35
Speaker 3: about somebody. Let's talk about some of these things. I
25:37
Speaker 3: get some and don't email me, but a lot of
25:40
Speaker 3: the time it's meant and they will say, well, I
25:43
Speaker 3: got I'm thinking of one person in particular, obviously, but
25:46
Speaker 3: he came up to me and he said, I've made
25:48
Speaker 3: a lot of money in my life and I built
25:50
Speaker 3: it on my on my trauma. I built it on
25:54
Speaker 3: my hate, and I used that as a springboard to
25:58
Speaker 3: get me where I am today. Okay, let's talk about that.
26:02
Speaker 3: You can get there. Let's take You've got a choice
26:06
Speaker 3: of two trains. You can take the Express of the local.
26:09
Speaker 3: Both will get you to your destination. But the Local
26:13
Speaker 3: is going to be painful because you have to stop
26:14
Speaker 3: at every single solitary stop. It's like taking an elevator
26:18
Speaker 3: and wanting to go up to the seventy fifth floor
26:20
Speaker 3: and some punk kid has pressed every single button between
26:24
Speaker 3: one and seventy five, and by the time you get
26:28
Speaker 3: up there, you're a wreck. You still got to your destination.
26:32
Speaker 3: But wouldn't it be easier to take the express I
26:35
Speaker 3: can get there twice as fast and twice as far
26:37
Speaker 3: with love and forgiveness than I can with Hayton resentment.
26:41
Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's posey, Yeah, let's let's take a pause because
26:47
Speaker 2: that's really an interesting Yeah, that's really interesting idea because
26:51
Speaker 2: we don't think of it like that. All right, guys,
26:53
Speaker 2: stay tune and I'll be back with Catherine in just
26:56
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes talking about forgiveness.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back if you're just joining me. I have author
29:38
Speaker 2: Catherine Giovanni with me today and we're talking about forgiveness
29:41
Speaker 2: and she wrote a book titled The Ultimate Path to Forgiveness,
29:44
Speaker 2: Unlocking Your Power, and she is helping us with tools
29:49
Speaker 2: so that we could finally start forgiving so we can
29:53
Speaker 2: have a better live. It's right, because that's what we
29:55
Speaker 2: all want. SOE who the man who came to you
29:59
Speaker 2: what we were talking about before that built his business
30:02
Speaker 2: on anger and reage. Did he want to start forgiving?
30:07
Speaker 2: I mean, was he coming to you as a coach?
30:09
Speaker 2: Did he hire you for like it's time not to forgive?
30:12
Speaker 2: Or what was his perspective.
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Speaker 3: I do a lot of podcasts and it was the
30:18
Speaker 3: podcast and he he A lot of men come up
30:23
Speaker 3: to me and some women to be honest and say
30:25
Speaker 3: I had nobody to forgive. Okay, sure, let's talk about it.
30:30
Speaker 3: The Super Bowls is best Sunday? Did your team win
30:32
Speaker 3: or lose? Did they lose? Forgive the football team? That's right,
30:37
Speaker 3: you were you were on that. You were on the
30:38
Speaker 3: road the other day and somebody cuts you off and
30:41
Speaker 3: you said some really blue cuss words. Are you angry?
30:44
Speaker 3: Forgive them? Yeah? Yeah, cauk. Did a couple of coffee
30:49
Speaker 3: spill on your shirt right before a presentation? Forgive the coffee.
30:55
Speaker 3: And if you still are not with me, I want
30:58
Speaker 3: you to see the following for the next week. Every
31:01
Speaker 3: night before you go to bed, I completely forgive myself
31:04
Speaker 3: for not being able to forgive any energy around this thought.
31:09
Speaker 3: Say the three times a night, every night for the
31:11
Speaker 3: next week, and I guarantee you. I don't like to guarantee,
31:14
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure that that back closet of your
31:18
Speaker 3: mind is going to open up and you're going to
31:20
Speaker 3: start thinking about people. Oh yeah, maybe maybe I shouldn't
31:23
Speaker 3: have DoD that person. But let me give you just
31:26
Speaker 3: a few warnings. When you start to forgive, there's a
31:29
Speaker 3: couple things that are going to happen physically, and to
31:32
Speaker 3: your friend's circle. Basically, your water cells that have turned
31:38
Speaker 3: brown have to go somewhere. I want you to do
31:43
Speaker 3: this before bed because your body is going to heal
31:45
Speaker 3: itself when it sleeps, and when people do this process,
31:49
Speaker 3: most people get super tired. So that's why I want
31:53
Speaker 3: you to do it before bed. Some people get thirsty.
31:58
Speaker 3: Some people, I'm gonna politely say, are in the bathroom
32:01
Speaker 3: for a few minutes. It's not a piece of bad fish.
32:05
Speaker 3: It's just your body is trying to clear away decades
32:08
Speaker 3: and crap.
32:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did.
32:10
Speaker 3: I do all my own exercises, and I did this exercise,
32:14
Speaker 3: and I created a list that must have had fifty
32:16
Speaker 3: people on it. I thought this is gonna be great.
32:18
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit of an overachiever, and I thought,
32:21
Speaker 3: this is gonna be great. I'm gonna do it all
32:22
Speaker 3: at once. I'm gonna be like a phoenix rising from
32:25
Speaker 3: the ashes. I'm gonna be like an angel rising from
32:28
Speaker 3: the dust. I'm gonna wake up tomorrows. Everything's gonna be
32:31
Speaker 3: magically gone. Okay, didn't actually work out that way, shocker,
32:37
Speaker 3: I know. And I did forgive many people on the list,
32:41
Speaker 3: but I also spent the next three days in bed
32:44
Speaker 3: with what everybody thought was the stomach flu. And it's
32:46
Speaker 3: because I forgave too many people and my body literally
32:49
Speaker 3: had to play catch up for a few days. So
32:51
Speaker 3: please don't do more than ten and ten a night.
32:54
Speaker 3: And if you're doing a person in the higher numbers,
32:58
Speaker 3: like the eight nines and tens, only were one. Only
33:01
Speaker 3: one makes sense. And then the other thing that's gonna
33:05
Speaker 3: happen is like energy attracts like energy, so as you
33:11
Speaker 3: become more joyful and more happy, and you start to
33:15
Speaker 3: come back into your your authentic self, you're gonna be
33:19
Speaker 3: attracting people into your life, people that want to see
33:23
Speaker 3: you succeed, people that are also happy. You're gonna be
33:27
Speaker 3: drawing in that energy. Okay, that being said, on the
33:30
Speaker 3: other side of the coin, you're gonna have some jack rabbits.
33:33
Speaker 3: You're gonna have some people that are right now in
33:35
Speaker 3: your life that are all of a sudden gonna ghost you.
33:37
Speaker 3: They won't tell you why, they're just gonna they're just
33:40
Speaker 3: gonna go happen. It happened to me like six people
33:43
Speaker 3: get Spanish. Yeah, then you're gonna have the people who
33:47
Speaker 3: look at you and say, you know, I liked the
33:50
Speaker 3: old Molissa. I thought she was terrific. And you might
33:55
Speaker 3: be family, close friends, people you live with, and they
33:58
Speaker 3: might try to sabotage it because they want the old
34:00
Speaker 3: you back. Yeah, so it's up to you as you
34:04
Speaker 3: continue this process. You know, the jack rabbits, they might
34:08
Speaker 3: come back. Do you accept them back into your life?
34:11
Speaker 3: That's up to you. The people who are trying to
34:13
Speaker 3: sabotage it, what do you do? Do you keep them
34:15
Speaker 3: in your life or do you This is all choices
34:18
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to make. But what it's worth the
34:21
Speaker 3: new people coming in will be phenomenal.
34:24
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because we're also raising our vibrations. So we're
34:27
Speaker 2: getting to when you raise your energetic vibration, you're a
34:30
Speaker 2: match for those things that are on that same vibrational level.
34:33
Speaker 2: So if you are happy and joyous and you're genuine,
34:37
Speaker 2: you can't fake it like everybody thinks like, oh, I'll
34:40
Speaker 2: just pretend. No, you can't. Universe read your energy right,
34:44
Speaker 2: So you'll be meeting more people, more situations come into
34:48
Speaker 2: your life. And I talk about that like doing the
34:50
Speaker 2: postcards is fun.
34:52
Speaker 3: I love it.
34:52
Speaker 2: It's fun, But if you're not working on yourself also
34:56
Speaker 2: you can make a million postcards. It doesn't mean anything.
34:59
Speaker 2: Like if you think, every day, I hate my life
35:00
Speaker 2: and I hate everybody, but here's a postcard. Yeah, it's
35:03
Speaker 2: not going to work.
35:04
Speaker 3: You know. You have to like to do the work too.
35:06
Speaker 2: So I think that that's like this forgiveness is so important.
35:11
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you this question. I have
35:14
Speaker 2: heard this thought and it also resonated and made sense
35:18
Speaker 2: to me that sometimes the people that have hurt us
35:21
Speaker 2: the most, actually, if you think about it in a
35:25
Speaker 2: universal way, love us so much that in our life
35:30
Speaker 2: they played a part, a part of so that we
35:34
Speaker 2: would learn because we wanted to grow. We wanted to grow,
35:37
Speaker 2: we wanted to learn forgiveness. So somebody had to be
35:40
Speaker 2: this monster in your life to teach you so that
35:44
Speaker 2: you could forgive, because that's what you wanted to master.
35:47
Speaker 2: And I heard Whane Guyer talking about this when he
35:50
Speaker 2: was talking about his father, his biological father, who he
35:52
Speaker 2: never met. He hated him his whole life, hated him,
35:56
Speaker 2: hated him, hated him, hated him, angry, angry, angry, he
35:59
Speaker 2: was drinker, he everything. And then when he finally decided
36:04
Speaker 2: to forgive his father after he died, he never actually
36:07
Speaker 2: got to meet him. He realized he was he was
36:09
Speaker 2: his greatest teacher. And I thought, that's so interesting, because
36:13
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever think about it like that.
36:15
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on.
36:16
Speaker 3: That there's a there's a book app I'm actually very
36:20
Speaker 3: very very intuitive. It's actually why I was bullied in school.
36:24
Speaker 3: And I'm not I don't like to use the words,
36:26
Speaker 3: but I don't like to use his word psychic. But
36:28
Speaker 3: I'm clairevoyant, Claire Audit and Clairetognas, and I get past
36:32
Speaker 3: life information for people all the time. There is a
36:36
Speaker 3: there is a book called The Little Soul and the
36:40
Speaker 3: Sun by Neil Donald Walsh. It's being oh it's building
36:46
Speaker 3: a kid's book. It is not the kid's book. And
36:49
Speaker 3: it actually tells you exactly what you just said. Because
36:54
Speaker 3: we come back into this we've had many, many lives,
36:57
Speaker 3: sometimes when you're the abuser. Sometimes and if we were
37:00
Speaker 3: and we come back in the next life is the abuse.
37:02
Speaker 3: And my father came into this life to be a
37:06
Speaker 3: thorn in my side. And I had a fellow psychic said, well,
37:11
Speaker 3: she was a medium. She said, I'm seeing your father
37:13
Speaker 3: right now. He does not look like the guy that
37:15
Speaker 3: you've been describing to me because he was playing a role.
37:19
Speaker 3: He was playing a role, and that this happens all
37:23
Speaker 3: the time. But as you raise your vibration, things are
37:26
Speaker 3: going to happen, and some of these people will leave
37:29
Speaker 3: your life. But you know, you might have the person
37:31
Speaker 3: in your life who who is the biggest thorn in
37:34
Speaker 3: your side might have just been, might have agreed before
37:38
Speaker 3: they came down here to be a big thorn in
37:40
Speaker 3: your side. We've all had, we've all had, we've all been,
37:44
Speaker 3: we've all been good, we've been bad, we've been, we've
37:47
Speaker 3: been everything. This is not our first go around.
37:51
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And when you think about it like that,
37:55
Speaker 2: it does kind of soften the I can't think of
38:00
Speaker 2: the word sin that the other person committed. Let's say,
38:03
Speaker 2: you know, I can't.
38:04
Speaker 3: Do it a better word than the sin, because if
38:06
Speaker 3: you But.
38:06
Speaker 2: But what happens is is intellectually we can grasp these ideas, right,
38:11
Speaker 2: we grasped them. Oh that makes sense. But then when
38:14
Speaker 2: we're having an emotional experience, like all of that got
38:17
Speaker 2: out the.
38:17
Speaker 3: Window, like, yeah, adding them they did this to me?
38:22
Speaker 3: You know, Well, it's also the ultimate of intergenerational trauma
38:27
Speaker 3: because when you have a really, really, really bad trauma
38:31
Speaker 3: in a previous life. Like a good friend of mine
38:35
Speaker 3: called me up at three o'clock in the morning and
38:37
Speaker 3: they were crying, and they were a federal law enforcement officer,
38:41
Speaker 3: and they they they weren't really crying, but they were
38:45
Speaker 3: so upset. And you can't be that you when you're
38:48
Speaker 3: in the laws. And they weren't sleeping. They couldn't sleep.
38:52
Speaker 3: They tried everything, they tried, They try, you name it,
38:56
Speaker 3: they tried, and they said, you know, listen, caps, and
38:58
Speaker 3: I'll do anything you say. Three o'clock in the morning
39:01
Speaker 3: and I was barely awake, and all of a sudden,
39:03
Speaker 3: I get a hit and I saw this couple in
39:06
Speaker 3: bed in a town, and the guy was a sheriff
39:11
Speaker 3: in the town. And I watched as his wife smothered
39:14
Speaker 3: him with a pillow. Oh my, and he was a
39:17
Speaker 3: beloved guy in the town. And after I revealed this lifetime,
39:24
Speaker 3: we talked about it. Then we did my forgiveness mantra
39:27
Speaker 3: on the entire lifetime and the people in that lifetime.
39:30
Speaker 3: And afterwards, he started to sleep through the night, and
39:34
Speaker 3: he even started to date again because he didn't trust
39:36
Speaker 3: women most of his life. So some of the tamas
39:39
Speaker 3: you're having now, like you're scared of heights. Well, you
39:42
Speaker 3: might have been pushed off a cook by somebody in
39:43
Speaker 3: a previous life, you know. I said, Yeah, I think about.
39:48
Speaker 2: That all the time because I don't you know, I
39:51
Speaker 2: have this fear of flying. And it's gotten better, so
39:55
Speaker 2: but it was really bad for a while. And I wonder,
39:57
Speaker 2: and I always wonder, I wonder if I was that
39:59
Speaker 2: age and was in a plane crash or something, because
40:02
Speaker 2: it's like I've passed it. So I'm still not very comfortable.
40:05
Speaker 2: I don't really like it, but I'll do it. But
40:07
Speaker 2: I remember there was a period where I was like terrified,
40:10
Speaker 2: you know, of getting on a plane.
40:12
Speaker 3: And I always think I could tell you. I know
40:15
Speaker 3: we're alive on the radio, but I could tell you
40:17
Speaker 3: what time it is. I get these messages, whether I
40:20
Speaker 3: want them to want them or not.
40:22
Speaker 2: Yes, tell me.
40:24
Speaker 3: You know the the Right's brother playing. You were not
40:27
Speaker 3: one of the Rights Brothers, but you know that kind
40:30
Speaker 3: of plane, that early and early kind of plane, Yeah
40:33
Speaker 3: you were.
40:34
Speaker 2: You were.
40:36
Speaker 3: A young man who took his young wife up. You
40:39
Speaker 3: just learned to fly, and he lost he kind of
40:44
Speaker 3: got he got into an up draft and you crash
40:48
Speaker 3: and you got and everybody does.
40:50
Speaker 2: I can. I can totally see that because every time
40:53
Speaker 2: I watch anything about those times and I see those
40:55
Speaker 2: people getting those planes, my thought is, they're nuts. Why
40:58
Speaker 2: would they ever do that?
40:59
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
41:00
Speaker 2: I would never want to be one of those.
41:01
Speaker 3: Even it probably leaves you, It probably leaves you cold too.
41:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's the fact that grips your throat, you know,
41:11
Speaker 2: like that.
41:12
Speaker 3: You know, so, oh that makes sense that that's the
41:15
Speaker 3: thing with these kinds of traumas, even in past lives,
41:18
Speaker 3: this trauma, this energy has to go somewhere, and some
41:23
Speaker 3: of it dissipates, the most of it doesn't, and you
41:25
Speaker 3: carry it with you and the only reason you're you're
41:28
Speaker 3: thinking about it in this lifetime is because you're finally
41:31
Speaker 3: ready to clear it. That's usually when people find me,
41:33
Speaker 3: is when they're ready to clear whatever it is it's
41:36
Speaker 3: been that's been that's been sabotaging them, you know. And
41:39
Speaker 3: you could be like that young man who who tried everything.
41:42
Speaker 3: He tried every doctor, he tried every book, he tried everything.
41:46
Speaker 3: And that's usually when people find me because they want
41:48
Speaker 3: they'll say, listen, I'll try weird stuff now.
41:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll try the alternative.
41:54
Speaker 3: So let me just know.
41:57
Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll work, but it can't hurt.
41:59
Speaker 2: I've tried everything else, you know. And that's when you
42:01
Speaker 2: exactly expanded her mind a little bit.
42:03
Speaker 3: Right when I come to energy, when you're not vibrating
42:07
Speaker 3: the same way, gonna, you're gonna attract people, but you're
42:11
Speaker 3: also going to there, they're gonna be unattracted to. Here's
42:15
Speaker 3: a really funny story. It's very true too. Some friends
42:18
Speaker 3: of mine we went to this restaurant and the woman
42:21
Speaker 3: came up to our table and she politely took everybody's order,
42:25
Speaker 3: and then she got to me. The color trained from
42:28
Speaker 3: her face and she took a step back. I'm a
42:30
Speaker 3: confierge trainer, and I trained customer service. We say, you
42:33
Speaker 3: so have retired from it. So my confierge training kicked
42:36
Speaker 3: in and I smiled at her and I politely gave
42:38
Speaker 3: my order. She ran back to the kitchen, and I thought,
42:41
Speaker 3: maybe she's behind I don't know, I don't know why
42:43
Speaker 3: she was like that. Well, she came back with everybody's
42:46
Speaker 3: food and she politely, politely, mind you put everybody's food
42:51
Speaker 3: right next to them. The way you're supposed to until
42:53
Speaker 3: she got to mind. She went to the other side
42:56
Speaker 3: of the table and she threw the plate like a
42:58
Speaker 3: frisbee across the table and then ran back to the kitchen.
43:01
Speaker 3: And I fully expected her to come back with holy
43:03
Speaker 3: water or something and sprinkled on me. She was so scared,
43:07
Speaker 3: and my friend leaned over and said it was it's
43:09
Speaker 3: your energy she's scared of, so you know, the brad
43:13
Speaker 3: And they was real tempted to just look at her
43:15
Speaker 3: and go boot next time she came near me. But
43:18
Speaker 3: did you ever get.
43:19
Speaker 2: Did you talk to her ever to ask her?
43:21
Speaker 3: Like?
43:22
Speaker 2: No, No, it was just it just manifested that like blatantly,
43:28
Speaker 2: like wow, I because I mean, we've all had experiences
43:33
Speaker 2: where you meet everybody and you don't know why you
43:35
Speaker 2: don't like them, but there's something about them you don't
43:38
Speaker 2: like and they didn't do anything to you, and they
43:40
Speaker 2: may be really nice, but there's just something energetically there.
43:43
Speaker 2: Your body's going mm, no, something, something's off here.
43:47
Speaker 3: Everybody on the planet is intuitive. It's not just me.
43:51
Speaker 3: Every single planet is intuitive. That's another book I wrote,
43:54
Speaker 3: because of course I did the Little Bird in your Shoulder,
43:57
Speaker 3: and we either see it feel it, no, it We're
44:00
Speaker 3: just like you walk into the room and it feels off.
44:04
Speaker 2: Yeah.
44:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, And their resume is perfect, they're dressed great, they
44:09
Speaker 3: said the right things, and three months down the road,
44:11
Speaker 3: you're just like, I knew I shouldn't have hired that guy.
44:13
Speaker 3: Yeah that was a little their shoulder.
44:17
Speaker 1: Them.
44:17
Speaker 2: Oh, most don't ignore it ever anymore anymore, I don't ignore.
44:23
Speaker 2: So I want to talk a little bit about self
44:26
Speaker 2: forgiveness because I think a lot of times, you know,
44:31
Speaker 2: we're always looking outside of ourselves, right, like they're the problem.
44:35
Speaker 2: They're the issue. The world's the issue. I live here,
44:38
Speaker 2: that's the issue. You know, that politician is the issue.
44:40
Speaker 2: That guys who messed me up is the issue. My
44:43
Speaker 2: mother's the issue, my father, whatever, sisters, brothers. What about ourselves? Like,
44:49
Speaker 2: how what do we need to do to forgive ourselves
44:52
Speaker 2: for mistakes we made? Maybe how we've heard other people,
44:57
Speaker 2: how we've betrayed ourselves, how we you know, all of
45:01
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. I mean, I think that self
45:04
Speaker 2: forgiveness has to be a very important part of the work,
45:06
Speaker 2: a forgiveness work.
45:08
Speaker 3: We all hold a lot of guilt, stouts some things, Right,
45:11
Speaker 3: this is the first book of three, and I'm actually
45:15
Speaker 3: writing the second book as we speak, and it is
45:17
Speaker 3: all about how to forgive yourself, because quite often we
45:22
Speaker 3: are our own number ten. We are the unforgivable person
45:26
Speaker 3: on our list if we write ourselves at the top.
45:29
Speaker 3: So my answer to that is, I want you to
45:32
Speaker 3: take it in bites, and I want you to treat
45:34
Speaker 3: it like you would anything else. So we pull apart
45:39
Speaker 3: the unforgivable things. Well, if you're your unforgivable, I want
45:42
Speaker 3: you to pull apart your life, and I want you
45:45
Speaker 3: to kick out a memory where you feel ultimately guilty. Well,
45:49
Speaker 3: I know you're not ready to forgive yourself, and I'm
45:51
Speaker 3: pretty sure you're not ready to forgive the energy around yourself,
45:54
Speaker 3: but you can pick apart the memory. Let's say it's
45:57
Speaker 3: a Thanksgiving dinner and maybe you got drunk and you
46:01
Speaker 3: said a bunch of bad things and you hurt a
46:04
Speaker 3: bunch of feelings. Okayah, a holiday like that exactly. That's
46:14
Speaker 3: why I'm laughing.
46:15
Speaker 2: I'm picturing a few of them.
46:18
Speaker 3: Not really a stretch, is it. My mother used to say,
46:21
Speaker 3: every family's the same, only the names are different. I'm
46:23
Speaker 3: not entirely sure she was that wrong, but you know
46:27
Speaker 3: either no. But what I want you to do is
46:30
Speaker 3: pick out that memory and forgive other pieces of the memory.
46:34
Speaker 3: Forgive the person you did it to believe it or not,
46:37
Speaker 3: and the energy around that person. Forgive the table you
46:40
Speaker 3: sat out and the chair you were sitting in. Forgive
46:43
Speaker 3: the clothes you were wearing, not kidding, Forgive the food
46:46
Speaker 3: and the table. Forgive the building you were in. And
46:49
Speaker 3: that's it. And then wait twenty four hours, and then
46:52
Speaker 3: do it again, and then pick another man, and then
46:56
Speaker 3: pick out other things within that memory. So now you
46:59
Speaker 3: might have gotten next ten down twenty nine, and at
47:01
Speaker 3: some point you'll be able to jump it down where
47:04
Speaker 3: maybe I can forgive myself and stop feeling guilty for
47:07
Speaker 3: what happened in that in the past on that particular date.
47:11
Speaker 3: You dial it back, and then if you have a
47:14
Speaker 3: lot of stuff, I took my whole life and I
47:16
Speaker 3: looked at the kid in eighth grade who tried to
47:19
Speaker 3: commit suicide. Was it my fault? No, I had a
47:21
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff going on, and I forgave everybody in
47:26
Speaker 3: that memory, and then I finally forgave myself. Now they
47:30
Speaker 3: do say forgive and forget, Well, I'm originally from New York.
47:34
Speaker 3: We're not forgetting anything, nah, and I don't.
47:38
Speaker 2: Forget either, no, no, But I can.
47:41
Speaker 3: Promise you that if you do this, you'll remove the
47:45
Speaker 3: emotional charge. So you can look back at that memory
47:49
Speaker 3: and it won't trigger you anymore. You're not going to
47:51
Speaker 3: think good or you're not going to think bad. You
47:53
Speaker 3: just it's just there's going to be nothing there. So
47:56
Speaker 3: I can look back in my childhood now and I
47:59
Speaker 3: could probably we regurgitate the bad things. I use that
48:02
Speaker 3: word purposely. I probably could bring up all of that
48:06
Speaker 3: stuff if you wanted me to, but I, honestly, God,
48:09
Speaker 3: don't really remember it as well anymore. And now I
48:12
Speaker 3: see the love that was there. I see the adults
48:14
Speaker 3: who were trying to help that kid. She did the
48:16
Speaker 3: best that she could with the tools she had. She
48:19
Speaker 3: had to survive. She gave best. She didn't know any better,
48:23
Speaker 3: she was a kid. And now I could see the
48:25
Speaker 3: love that was back there. And that's what's been that's
48:28
Speaker 3: what's my memory has now been replaced by these moments
48:32
Speaker 3: I see in my past. I could look at my
48:35
Speaker 3: ex business partner's name on Facebook. It happened to me
48:37
Speaker 3: about two years ago and I heard names as randomly
48:40
Speaker 3: came up and I stared at it, and usually I
48:42
Speaker 3: would get triggered nothing, and it shocked me. It shocked
48:47
Speaker 3: the hell out of me. I was sitting here with saying, wait, wait, wait,
48:49
Speaker 3: I'm not angry. I'm not angry. I was absolutely shocked
48:53
Speaker 3: out of my mind that I was not angry. And
48:56
Speaker 3: that's that's a.
48:56
Speaker 2: Good place to be. I mean, we maynace need to
48:58
Speaker 2: forgive ourselves for an opportunity that we didn't take right, yeah,
49:02
Speaker 2: to be something like that, or or forgiving ourselves for
49:06
Speaker 2: trusting a person not listening to our intuition, maybe trusting
49:10
Speaker 2: person who hurt us.
49:13
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, and you can forgive the person, you
49:17
Speaker 3: could give the energy, you can forgive the word trust.
49:20
Speaker 3: I completely forgive myself for not trusting any energy around
49:24
Speaker 3: this this thought. When I say everything is forgivable, you
49:28
Speaker 3: can mix the words any way you like.
49:31
Speaker 2: It's all forgivable, it's all forgivable.
49:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
49:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just like I really like that idea of
49:40
Speaker 2: forgiving all the things around the situation to sort of
49:45
Speaker 2: help you kind of like chip away at that. You know,
49:49
Speaker 2: it never occurred to me. It never occurred to me.
49:53
Speaker 3: To do. It's like an ice sculpture. You've got to
49:55
Speaker 3: chip away the ice and you've got to you know,
49:58
Speaker 3: have a little artist eye. You chip write this, and
50:01
Speaker 3: you tip away that, and then your gut tells you
50:03
Speaker 3: to chip away that piece and before you know it,
50:05
Speaker 3: you have a work of art. How did you do it?
50:07
Speaker 3: Your gut told you where to go. So let that
50:09
Speaker 3: little bird on your shoulder drive you. When you're creating
50:13
Speaker 3: your list of people you think you need to forgive,
50:15
Speaker 3: don't judge with you. Write down. A really good friend
50:18
Speaker 3: of mine wrote down on her list. When she did it,
50:21
Speaker 3: she wrote down a little red wagon. She didn't remember,
50:24
Speaker 3: a little red wagon. She didn't even know why. She
50:26
Speaker 3: wrote it on the paper and there it was, and
50:29
Speaker 3: she labeled it a number one because why wouldn't you?
50:32
Speaker 3: And she forgave the dumb thing. And she still to
50:35
Speaker 3: this day doesn't know why she had to forgive it.
50:37
Speaker 3: That something in her memory, there was something.
50:39
Speaker 7: Back there, that something there. Don't judge yourself when you're
50:45
Speaker 7: writing your list. No judgment, no judgment, no no judgment. Yeah,
50:51
Speaker 7: do you do a daily forgiveness exercise? Just a general
50:55
Speaker 7: thing like just to keep you working on it?
50:59
Speaker 3: Or to do we do humans? Would you recommend us
51:03
Speaker 3: to do like? Humans irritate? Well, humans irritate other humans.
51:08
Speaker 3: I'm always getting fresh source material to forgive every single
51:11
Speaker 3: day because we're up and what.
51:18
Speaker 2: I know is craziness that's happening in Oh.
51:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so much to forgive. Okay, just put on
51:26
Speaker 3: the news. Yeah no, I don't want the news anymore
51:29
Speaker 3: because it's going to drive me back to drinks, so
51:31
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't do it anymore. But what I
51:34
Speaker 3: do every night is I will first think of the
51:36
Speaker 3: things I was most grateful for that day, even if
51:39
Speaker 3: it's for a hot cup of coffee or the fact
51:41
Speaker 3: that coffee exists. That's that's what I come up with.
51:45
Speaker 3: And then I will think about people I need to
51:47
Speaker 3: forgive places, and I allow my intuition to just let
51:51
Speaker 3: me know who I need to forgive. Now, I've been
51:54
Speaker 3: doing this a very very long time, so I actually
51:57
Speaker 3: do it mentally at this point. But when I was
51:59
Speaker 3: first st I had a pad of paper and a
52:01
Speaker 3: pen by my bed, and I would I would just
52:04
Speaker 3: write down the people that I thought I needed to forgive,
52:07
Speaker 3: never doing more than ten, and then the next night
52:10
Speaker 3: I would do it again. And if and I don't
52:13
Speaker 3: want you to do the same person more than once tonight.
52:16
Speaker 3: You know, if you can't get you're number five and
52:18
Speaker 3: it goes down to a four, don't do it right
52:20
Speaker 3: to get right away again, wait twenty four hours and
52:23
Speaker 3: then do that person the second time.
52:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, because let it the work assimilate in yourself that
52:28
Speaker 2: your energy, yeah, and your body. So how do we
52:31
Speaker 2: know it's working? How do we know that this us working,
52:34
Speaker 2: the forgiveness is working for us.
52:38
Speaker 3: You're gonna start to feel better. The world is going
52:41
Speaker 3: to look more colorful. I'm actually not kidding. You're gonna
52:45
Speaker 3: notice more opportunities. Your life is just going to start
52:48
Speaker 3: to magically start to work. You're gonna feel better because
52:52
Speaker 3: you're not carrying around all this diseasy and this illness
52:56
Speaker 3: that in yourself and you're not going to care. And
52:59
Speaker 3: I need that this in a good way. You're gonna
53:02
Speaker 3: look at people who forgiven and it's not going to
53:05
Speaker 3: trigger you anymore. You used to be You used to
53:07
Speaker 3: walk into a bakery. You haven't been able to walk
53:09
Speaker 3: into a bakery in decades because every time you walk
53:12
Speaker 3: into a bakery, you smell chocolate chip, cookies and you
53:15
Speaker 3: think of your mother and you were pissed off at
53:16
Speaker 3: your mother. Now you'll be able to walk through the
53:19
Speaker 3: bakery is smell the cookies and actually want to buy some.
53:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're not gonna do only you're not the
53:26
Speaker 2: malid any facially woof. Malla's so quickly linked to memory
53:30
Speaker 2: that if there's something that happened and there was a
53:34
Speaker 2: smell and you pick up that smell again, that will
53:36
Speaker 2: take you there and like millisecond. So, Catherine, if people
53:40
Speaker 2: are interested in getting your book, where can they get
53:41
Speaker 2: the book out right?
53:42
Speaker 3: Now? You can go to Amazon. And I understand that
53:46
Speaker 3: everybody wants to read, So I do have the audio
53:48
Speaker 3: book available that my younger son and I developed together.
53:51
Speaker 3: And we're still talking to each other, so better day.
53:57
Speaker 3: I love audio books.
53:59
Speaker 2: I listen to audio books all the time. Oh that's great.
54:02
Speaker 3: Back to the e book and the audiobook is available,
54:05
Speaker 3: And you can also go to my website which is
54:07
Speaker 3: Katherine Giovanni dot com. And again, yes, my mother, my
54:11
Speaker 3: mother gave me a really interesting spelling Thanks mom, and
54:15
Speaker 3: it's kha r I N g Evanni dot com.
54:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the same thing because my legal first
54:22
Speaker 2: name is Catherine with an E, and my middle name,
54:25
Speaker 2: Melissa is spelled with one S, so I know my
54:27
Speaker 2: mother did the same thing to me, So yeah.
54:30
Speaker 3: I know that. I thought it was funny.
54:32
Speaker 1: Thanks.
54:33
Speaker 3: Did you give up on selling people one how many
54:35
Speaker 3: years ago? Did you give up on the on the
54:37
Speaker 3: one s thing? Many years ago?
54:40
Speaker 2: And less I'm doing something and it's being published, then
54:43
Speaker 2: I'll correct them. But if they're just like writing an email,
54:45
Speaker 2: I'm just like forgot. I don't even worry about it.
54:48
Speaker 3: I'll tell I'll tell people spell it with a K
54:50
Speaker 3: and pick your favorite spelling. And they look at me
54:52
Speaker 3: and I said, no, I'm not kidding. Just spell it
54:54
Speaker 3: any way you like, I really don't care. Well.
54:57
Speaker 2: I it away because it's something I'm used to with
55:01
Speaker 2: my own name.
55:01
Speaker 3: And when I thought it go.
55:02
Speaker 2: I always make sure I spell everybody's name right because
55:05
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, because it happens to me all the time.
55:07
Speaker 3: So the go ahead. What are we going to say?
55:11
Speaker 2: No?
55:11
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, we have.
55:12
Speaker 2: A minute left. Anything you want to leave us with.
55:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are worthy enough to lead a life of
55:22
Speaker 3: happiness and joy. It's your birthright. You are worthy. You
55:27
Speaker 3: are worthy enough to have that great job and live
55:30
Speaker 3: in that great apartment and eat some clean food and
55:33
Speaker 3: be happy. Happiness is your birthright. We're not meant to
55:37
Speaker 3: live in a refrigerator box on a street. We're meant
55:39
Speaker 3: to live in joy. You are worthy.
55:43
Speaker 2: Oh that's a beautiful way to And thank you so much, Catherine.
55:46
Speaker 2: This was a really wonderful show and I enjoyed speaking
55:48
Speaker 2: with you so but so good. Thanks everybody for listening
55:54
Speaker 2: to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa creating the life
55:56
Speaker 2: you crave. And I'm wishing everyone a wonderful week with joy,
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Speaker 2: abundance and love. E