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The Boys Are Back... · Billy & Lisa in the Morning: The After Show

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Speaker 1: Okay, after show podcast is on. It is Tuesday, May
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Speaker 1: twenty sixth, after a long weekend. I hope it was great.
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Speaker 1: The weather did suck. It wasn't the best. A little
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Speaker 1: bit of you know, sunshine, but not really. But we're back.
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Speaker 1: Had the show today. It was a good show. If
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Speaker 1: you missed the podcast, check that out. And now it's
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Speaker 1: time for the after show and my buddies Maddie and
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Speaker 1: Damon are back. Power of Recovery.
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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, what's up.
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Speaker 1: Let's start this podcast on a good note to really
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Speaker 1: show you, guys, you know the power of what we're
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Speaker 1: doing on the radio.
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Speaker 3: Let's do it and on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's cheer naming up justin.
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Speaker 4: I just want to reach out and say today I'm
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Speaker 4: three hundred and sixty six days celebrated a year.
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Speaker 1: See this is these are the kind of things that
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Speaker 1: are happening. People are calling in, they're leaving talkbacks about
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Speaker 1: you know, being in recovery, getting clean, getting sober, and
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Speaker 1: then sharing their successes.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's amazing if you're built like us, three guys,
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Speaker 3: you know, one day away from a drinker, drugs, a miracle,
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Speaker 3: miracles sixty six that's right, that's insane.
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Speaker 1: That's right. Now. I did get a talk back from
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Speaker 1: a woman that heard the commercial for power and ended
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Speaker 1: up going there and meeting you guys. Oh, she left
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Speaker 1: a talk She left to talk. It's no, it's buried.
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Speaker 2: I can't find it. Come on, come on, don't. That's
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Speaker 2: not possible.
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Speaker 3: You don't.
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Speaker 2: Nothing's buried in your mind.
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Speaker 1: I just I just brought it up and then realized, shit,
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't know where it is. I will
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Speaker 1: try to track it down. It's here somewhere. But you
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Speaker 1: guys did send me pictures with this woman, and that
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Speaker 1: really warm my heart.
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Speaker 5: I'm actually disappointed in you. That's the first time I
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Speaker 5: think i've ever run across the time that you didn't
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Speaker 5: have something in the whole stuff.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, I'm not perfect.
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Speaker 2: What do you want?
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Speaker 3: We waited, We actually waited. We were in a meeting
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Speaker 3: and we knew she was coming in and we waited
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Speaker 3: to meet her. Yeah. It was what a nice woman.
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Speaker 1: She was so excited, so excited. But that's I'm telling you,
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Speaker 1: that's what we're doing.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing.
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Speaker 1: I never thought in a million years, because you got
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Speaker 1: to remember when I started as an intern and for
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Speaker 1: the next ten years after that, I hid my past
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Speaker 1: about being in recovery because I was you know, I
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Speaker 1: was ashamed of it in a sense. Also, I was
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Speaker 1: afraid that people would look at me differently. Never did
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Speaker 1: I think on Kiss one to eight, I think about
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Speaker 1: Big Kiss one to wait, is I know that I'd
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Speaker 1: be talking that we'd be talking about recovery. It's just
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Speaker 1: an amazing thing.
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Speaker 2: I know, dude, I remember back then when that was
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Speaker 2: your dream.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're going to school and all the things
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Speaker 5: it was, you know what I mean, before before at all,
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Speaker 5: before you became justin.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still justin. I'm not like you know,
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Speaker 1: although just although hold on, I will say, so, there's
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Speaker 1: a running joke with my wife. Okay, I'm gonna pull
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Speaker 1: this up here while while I'm telling this story. There's
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Speaker 1: a running joke that because you know, typically when I
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Speaker 1: when I am out and about with my wife, the
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Speaker 1: women that you know come up to me. It is
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Speaker 1: of a certain age, Okay, And so there's a running
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Speaker 1: joke like, oh whiz, like the young hot girls, how
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Speaker 1: come there's no young hot girls that are, you know,
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Speaker 1: messaging you? And I'm like, oh, you know, they're out there.
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Speaker 1: So this weekend, we were out at a restaurant and
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Speaker 1: this girl sent me a DM after we left. She
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Speaker 1: had saw me and then she didn't come up to me.
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Speaker 1: So she said in the DM, please apologize to your
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Speaker 1: wife for me after seeing you and fangirling over me.
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Speaker 1: I listened to kiss when to Wait every morning. And
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Speaker 1: she works in addiction actually, and she always loves hearing
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Speaker 1: me talk about recovery.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So then I clicked on her and I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: here we go. Let me show you a picture of
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Speaker 1: a beautiful woman, you know, beautiful woman showing you beautiful woman.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So then I was like, oh, Jen, look at this DM.
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Speaker 1: I got here and I sent it to her and
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Speaker 1: I showed her the picture. Oh boy, how was I seeing?
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Speaker 3: Uh?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, she knows my bullshit. She knows my bullshit.
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Speaker 3: So now today when you go home, it's gonna get rehashed.
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Speaker 2: Well we'll be today, it'll be in three weeks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, she'll hold on to it and then bring
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Speaker 1: it up later. That's what that's what they do.
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Speaker 2: Special skill set they have. Man, we're very blessed.
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Speaker 1: That's what they do.
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Speaker 3: Very blessed. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh he justin.
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Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, when you have Maddie and David on
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Speaker 4: the after show podcast next week, maybe you cante dj
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Speaker 4: E edupp And to talk about his father figure, the
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Speaker 4: submarine from addiction and holmelessness, just to see if those
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Speaker 4: guys have any tips for him. I said, thank you.
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Speaker 1: So you guys have no idea what she's talking about.
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Speaker 1: But I had dj E Doubble, who works on Jamming,
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Speaker 1: on last week and this is actually a wild thing.
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Speaker 1: So E Double, you know, he's not in recovery. You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know really anything about him, but I had
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Speaker 1: him on the podcast to tell his story, and he
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Speaker 1: talked about how his biological father was not around for him,
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Speaker 1: but he had a kind of a surrogate father that
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Speaker 1: helped raise him. And he's in a drug addicts and
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Speaker 1: he's living on the street and he's you know, and
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Speaker 1: he's tried to help him. But like you know, recently,
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Speaker 1: he was out and about and saw him, you know,
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Speaker 1: stemming for change on the street and so I had
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Speaker 1: said to him, you know, we can get him to help.
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Speaker 1: If he's willing to, we can get him to help.
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Speaker 1: So that was a whole discussion about you guys in
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Speaker 1: power recovers. That's what she's talking about. So I did
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Speaker 1: give him, you guys, his information, so he may reach
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Speaker 1: out to see to see if he wanted some out. Really,
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Speaker 1: I did not see that coming. When he was telling
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Speaker 1: a story. I'm like, oh my god, that's wild.
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Speaker 3: That's the thing about addiction. It touches every family. It
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Speaker 3: really does every person. Yeah, directly indirectly it's affecting you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. So everything's good in your world, guys.
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Speaker 3: Can't complain.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, same man, same busy.
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Speaker 1: I don't know when I think about So. I have
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Speaker 1: a friend that's a corrections officer, and I always say
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Speaker 1: to him, what is it like to work in a prison,
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Speaker 1: and just the things that you must see every day
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Speaker 1: working in a prison. It takes a certain type of person.
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Speaker 1: And I kind of can compare that to what you
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Speaker 1: guys do, because think about what you see, right, you see,
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Speaker 1: you see the good, but then you also see the
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Speaker 1: bad over and over again, which is probably a good
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Speaker 1: remember one for you guys.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just like going to meetings. You go to
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Speaker 3: meetings for two reasons, where you want to go and
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Speaker 3: where you never want to go back to. I know.
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Speaker 1: I know. That's the benefit of going to meetings, especially
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Speaker 1: in long term recovery, is because you go and you
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Speaker 1: hear like a newcomer raised a hand and like I
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Speaker 1: can't stay clean, my life's in the trash. You're like damn,
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Speaker 1: and it brings you back right, you know.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's important for us to always try and
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Speaker 5: meet people where they're at, because we're never going to
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Speaker 5: have no way you go is going to have one
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Speaker 5: hundred percent success rate in recovery.
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Speaker 2: So especially at our level.
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Speaker 5: When we're dealing with the programs and stuff, we've got
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Speaker 5: to be able to make sure we're meeting people where
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Speaker 5: they're at and understand in those moments, Yeah, okay, this
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Speaker 5: is real for him. Like it's a struggle sometimes trust
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Speaker 5: when someone's looking at me, lying to my face and
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Speaker 5: I know they're lying, but I have to go, Yeah,
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Speaker 5: what was I doing when I had ten seconds clean?
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Speaker 5: What was I doing when I had two weeks clean,
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Speaker 5: two years clean?
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: I wasn't able to be honest the way I am today.
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Speaker 1: You know, it always amazed, It amazes me when you
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Speaker 1: talk to people, especially new or trying to get clean,
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Speaker 1: and they're lying to you and you know they're lying. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and they're convinced that you don't know that they're lying.
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Speaker 1: It's really amazing, dude.
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Speaker 5: The other pot is sometimes it's so bad they don't
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Speaker 5: think they're lying. They believe what they're saying to you,
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Speaker 5: so they're selling it to you like it's a truth
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Speaker 5: and you're like, yeah, dude, I.
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Speaker 3: Don't even know if you understand.
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Speaker 2: You have no clue what you're talking about. You're not okay.
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Speaker 2: You thank you all, but you're not okay, dude.
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Speaker 1: I know, but that it must be cool if they
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Speaker 1: stay clean. Hopefully they do, and then you see the
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Speaker 1: brain fog, you know, lift and some of.
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Speaker 3: The stories we see amazing. Yeah, like amazing. We've been
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Speaker 3: doing it years now, so you get to see the
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Speaker 3: whole entire thing.
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Speaker 1: I like how you guys post on the Chelsea's House Facebook. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the graduates of success stories.
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Speaker 3: That's Mari. Marie does that much. Really, Mari's locked in,
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Speaker 3: she's okay.
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Speaker 2: Take her for example, Yeah, perfect example for us to
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Speaker 2: So she went through.
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Speaker 3: She came to us with a freaking black trash bag
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Speaker 3: with nothing, and now she's running all of Chelsea's. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: she came she was sixty beds.
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Speaker 2: She was in a program in Lynn and came over
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Speaker 2: to the Sober Living to Chelsea so Sober.
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Speaker 5: Living and just started as a resident and not really
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Speaker 5: a good one, like we'd go in the room and
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Speaker 5: that he'd be like, dude, you have like twelve candy bars.
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Speaker 5: She's like, well, you are in a room that has
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Speaker 5: a threat where like this isn't real, Like.
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Speaker 2: You can't, you know what I mean? You have to
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Speaker 2: pay attention to the rules.
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Speaker 5: And then she just kept getting better and proven and
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Speaker 5: you know, recognizing the different things that that you know,
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Speaker 5: she was responsible.
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Speaker 3: For in life.
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Speaker 5: And we just watched her grow to a point where
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Speaker 5: we're like, hey, why don't you try running one of
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Speaker 5: our locations And she did. Him and I sat in
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Speaker 5: the house meeting one day and she started in on
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Speaker 5: on some people, like using herself as an example, not
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Speaker 5: like sitting from a pedestal, but just like, hey, I
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Speaker 5: do this every day, I work every day.
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Speaker 2: I do this, and I still do my chore.
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Speaker 3: I still do this.
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Speaker 5: Him and I almost got up and started cleaning in
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Speaker 5: the house and we're like like, wow.
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Speaker 3: We can't.
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Speaker 2: We like it was like that you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: And you know, so then it was my idea to
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Speaker 3: hire as a general manager, but he thinks it was
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Speaker 3: his idea. Definitely my idea. I'll tip the cap to him.
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Speaker 3: I'm not I remember saying to him and he's like no, no, no,
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Speaker 3: and I was like, no, Damon, it'll work.
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Speaker 2: It worked. You can you can hear the real strength
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Speaker 2: and the story that he's telling.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's okay. It worked out though with her. She
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Speaker 1: does a great job. She's unbelievable and she works with
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Speaker 1: you two, which can't be easy.
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Speaker 5: It's an absolute I actually just bought a shirt I
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Speaker 5: had to come to my house and it said the
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Speaker 5: people that deal with me on a daily basis the
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Speaker 5: other real heroes.
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Speaker 3: So he is tough to work with. Here we go,
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Speaker 3: he is.
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Speaker 2: It's imagine this falls back on me.
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Speaker 1: Well they if people are listening right now. They arrived
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Speaker 1: and they were kind of, you know, not fighting, but
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Speaker 1: they were kind of bickering back and forth because when
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Speaker 1: Maddie and Dame, when Maddie met Damon here at the
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Speaker 1: radio station, Damon wasn't happy enough or cheerful enough. So
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was like are you okay?
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Speaker 1: And Damon's like I'm okay, something's wrong. No, there's not.
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Speaker 2: So that's what I should have just told him. I
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Speaker 2: was tired from carrying this company, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: And you have four kids too, Yeah, there we go.
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Speaker 2: I have four kids. But let's not be let's not
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Speaker 2: even shy around.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: We can mention my wife. I know, you get a
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Speaker 2: little clip for her always.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's always there.
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Speaker 5: I'm actually Weinberg's Katie Weinberg is the true, the true
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Speaker 5: hero in my household. We have full of kids, but
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Speaker 5: nothing works without that lady. I can tell you that much.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's the same at my house. Yeah, same thing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: all right. So I had an idea. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you guys want to do this or not. You know,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about you know, you guys come in
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Speaker 1: every month and we talk about different things, recovery, what
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Speaker 1: you guys got going on. But there may be people
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Speaker 1: that are listening that have never really heard you guys story, right,
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Speaker 1: Like we've kind of alluded to different things. We've told
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Speaker 1: different stories Maddie has, Damon has, but we've never heard
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Speaker 1: like Maddie's whole story or Damon's whole story. So I
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Speaker 1: was thinking maybe this month, Maddie if you would share
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Speaker 1: your story or at least like you know, part of it,
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Speaker 1: and then next month maybe Damon. What do you think?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, not like put me on a spot, but yeah,
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Speaker 3: well I hate going first.
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Speaker 1: It's okay, Well Damon can go first if you'd like.
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Speaker 1: I just think listen. People hear the commercials. They listen
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Speaker 1: to this podcast and they hear Maddie and Damon and Justin.
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Speaker 1: But what about Maddie and Daman? Like where did they
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Speaker 1: come from? Where are they from? What did they go through?
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Speaker 1: How did they get clean? Now they're helping people for
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Speaker 1: a living, But how did they get there? You know
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Speaker 1: there's people that These are questions that people might have listening.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more.
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Speaker 1: Would you like Damon to go first?
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Speaker 3: Do I have the floor?
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Speaker 1: You fo?
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Speaker 2: He's got a very powerful story.
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Speaker 1: She really, I know he does.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I really don't.
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Speaker 3: It's just your run of the mill story I used.
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Speaker 3: I got clean a man.
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Speaker 2: Oh you know already. I grew up.
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Speaker 3: I'm one of five, right smack dab in the middle.
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Speaker 1: So you have one sister, two sisters, two sisters, two brothers.
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Speaker 1: I know the two brothers. I know your sister that
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Speaker 1: listens to the show, Annie, who's the other sister?
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Speaker 2: Kelly kept both amazing.
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Speaker 3: She's three years younger than me, and he's eight years
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Speaker 3: older than me.
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Speaker 1: Is she the youngest?
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Speaker 3: Huh?
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Speaker 1: Is she the youngest?
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Speaker 2: Kelly youngest child is the baby. So you have the
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Speaker 2: second or last?
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Speaker 3: Right, I'm middle? I got it, goes Steve, who's the oldest.
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Speaker 3: He's ten years older than me. Annie, eight years older
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Speaker 3: than me. Me, my brother Dennis, who's thirteen months younger
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Speaker 3: than me, and my sister Kelly, who's in the middle
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Speaker 3: three years. I mean, I thought I said that on
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Speaker 3: the first set.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I don't think you need to talk to him.
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Speaker 3: He's talking to both the Ya you're still I was
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Speaker 3: just saying I was still just Steve.
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Speaker 2: I was just still stuck on your amazing sisters.
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Speaker 3: That's you, Okay, that's what it does.
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Speaker 2: I love his sisters, sister for the time. What you're
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Speaker 2: talking about, A happily married man and and just happened
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Speaker 2: to be very my sisters. Yeah, I know, I know.
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Speaker 1: Wait, does he really have a thing for the sisters?
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Speaker 1: Loves them, loves them, but as like family.
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Speaker 3: Or no, he likes my sister.
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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you're getting drag into a real
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Speaker 2: great area.
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Speaker 5: They both married, Yeah, happily married, both with you exactly you.
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Speaker 3: Have a wife.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand.
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Speaker 5: I mean one of my sister's husband's like six four No,
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Speaker 5: like he literally like when he sees me, he'll like
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Speaker 5: grab me and give me a hug, but not like
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Speaker 5: a willing hug.
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Speaker 2: He just takes hold of my body and I'm I'm
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Speaker 2: just until he decides to release me.
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Speaker 5: Then I'm I'm released. You see a guy get picked
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Speaker 5: up and have his feet dangling. I have he could
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Speaker 5: do that to me. He doesn't.
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Speaker 2: He's thankful that he doesn't do that to me.
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Speaker 1: But you know what I love about this podcast is
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Speaker 1: the first sentence we derailed it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, literally the first What are you gonna do? Dude?
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Speaker 3: It's gonna take us two years to tell.
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Speaker 2: You talk?
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Speaker 1: They would do part one and part two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well go ahead. Have you heard Damon.
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Speaker 1: I've heard Damon talk.
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Speaker 2: I think I believe the nickname is one Take Weinberg.
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Speaker 1: I believe we should He did come in and do
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Speaker 1: one take the first time. I will say that anyway. Sorry, Maddie,
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Speaker 1: the floor is your guyhead. So we've established your brothers
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Speaker 1: and sisters, and you're a middle child.
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Speaker 3: You want to talk about my grandparents?
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, we'll save that. We'll save that. We could
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Speaker 1: do that, We'll save that.
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Speaker 3: I feel like I was born with the disease of addiction.
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Speaker 3: There's no way around it. I was treated different, always
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Speaker 3: felt different. I was heavy, heavy as a little kid,
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Speaker 3: like real fat.
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Speaker 1: Oh you were fat.
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Speaker 2: I was going to identify as a fat kid.
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Speaker 1: I was never hold on you can I can I interject?
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Speaker 1: Did you still wear shirts at the pool?
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you shop at the Husky Department?
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Speaker 1: I feel that. I feel that ahead.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, that was me and that's all right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And where'd you go out? First of all, you
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Speaker 1: didn't mention.
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Speaker 3: That Chelsea, Chelsea, Chelsea, and I wouldn't pick a different
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Speaker 3: neighborhood ever to grow up in, except in my name.
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Speaker 3: There's a bar on every corner, So like when everybody
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Speaker 3: else was, I always always wanted to just get in
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Speaker 3: the bar room, like always since I was ten years old.
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Speaker 1: Now were your parents at the bar? Are your parents
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Speaker 1: in recovery?
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Speaker 3: Now? No? No, I'm not. That's what God did. God said,
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Speaker 3: look at this nice family. Let me let me sprinkle
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Speaker 3: a heroin at and see what happened.
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Speaker 2: Nobody the middle of it all.
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Speaker 3: Here you go. Nobody in my family ever seen anything
15:03
Speaker 3: like me until I was obviously, Like my parents came
15:07
Speaker 3: up in the sixties, so some of their friends were
15:10
Speaker 3: addicts and stuff like that, but never in their direct
15:12
Speaker 3: family was anybody like me. Everybody. Everybody in my family
15:18
Speaker 3: drinks socially normal people. Yeah, my parents could go out
15:24
Speaker 3: on Friday, come home on Friday.
15:27
Speaker 1: Not spend all their paycheck.
15:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, stuff like that, like regular stuff. But the Bob
15:31
Speaker 3: was three houses down from my house, and if you
15:35
Speaker 3: cross the two more streets there was another one, And
15:37
Speaker 3: if you cross the street up this way, there was
15:39
Speaker 3: another one. And I just couldn't wait to get in there.
15:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gravitated towards it.
15:44
Speaker 3: It's still to this day. I love the smell of
15:47
Speaker 3: cigarettes and steel. Be it like an old school smoky,
15:51
Speaker 3: gross freaking boom. Yeah, it's so like fast. But by
15:58
Speaker 3: the time I'm eighteen and out of all of them anyway,
16:01
Speaker 3: So I like, I was always doing stuff faster than
16:07
Speaker 3: my friends. So like by the time they were drinking,
16:10
Speaker 3: I was already smoking. By the time they were smoking
16:12
Speaker 3: I was already taking pills. By the time they were
16:14
Speaker 3: taking pills, I was on the cocaine and so.
16:17
Speaker 1: On and so for and you went to the.
16:20
Speaker 3: Eleven schools and twelve Oh wow. I was never like
16:24
Speaker 3: a bet. I was a wise ass, yeah, but respectful
16:28
Speaker 3: to grown ups.
16:30
Speaker 1: So like, oh, he was like, what do you call that,
16:33
Speaker 1: Eddie Haskell? Leave it to Beaver, that's a reference. I
16:37
Speaker 1: was a dick, yeah, but the parents would thought you
16:40
Speaker 1: were a good kid because you were respectful to them some.
16:43
Speaker 3: Until I got a little older, and then I realized
16:45
Speaker 3: I was the guy that the parents didn't want me
16:47
Speaker 3: hanging out with. Yeah, I want my kids hanging out
16:50
Speaker 3: with me either.
16:50
Speaker 2: I thought you said was a dick.
16:52
Speaker 3: I was. Now I'm whatever, and I'm just a recovered dick,
16:57
Speaker 3: just a damon though.
16:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a blessing.
17:01
Speaker 3: I have remember, I can remember the day my life changed.
17:07
Speaker 3: It was Remember them trips in high school to Montreal.
17:10
Speaker 1: I never I never took those.
17:12
Speaker 2: Neither of us did.
17:13
Speaker 1: But no, no, you heard about him.
17:15
Speaker 3: You might have wanted to get a couple of friends
17:17
Speaker 3: in the nineties.
17:18
Speaker 2: We could have had parents with money.
17:20
Speaker 1: Wait were these school were these school trips? Or just
17:22
Speaker 1: no friends.
17:23
Speaker 3: It was the Maddi Gras trips up on a bus.
17:26
Speaker 1: And because you you didn't need eighteen to get into the.
17:30
Speaker 3: Club eighteen, so you'd go down to the Mystic Mall
17:34
Speaker 3: and Chelsea. You'd get a fake I'd get a fake
17:37
Speaker 3: I D I used a friend's name and and whatever.
17:42
Speaker 3: I get my fake ID and I'm probably sixteen or seventeen,
17:46
Speaker 3: and I'm on that I'm on that bus to Montreal
17:49
Speaker 3: with a bunch of guys I grew up with, who
17:51
Speaker 3: are all like me. And uh. I was with my buddy,
17:56
Speaker 3: who never done drug he's still never done a drug.
17:59
Speaker 3: And we used to drink all the time, just like
18:03
Speaker 3: regular people. We adapted to our surroundings. Everybody in my
18:06
Speaker 3: neighborhood drank. It was normal to drink, so we drank.
18:11
Speaker 3: And Uh. That weekend, I went into a hotel room
18:15
Speaker 3: with a bunch of other buddies I grew up with,
18:17
Speaker 3: who were probably a year older than me, and they
18:19
Speaker 3: were all doing cocaine. So I'm like, oh shit, what's
18:23
Speaker 3: this like? You know? So I go downstairs and I
18:26
Speaker 3: get I get my boy. I go, hey, they're all
18:28
Speaker 3: trying this, and he goes all right, I'll be up
18:30
Speaker 3: to try it, but he got so drunk he couldn't
18:33
Speaker 3: get off the bod. I'm grateful for that. He never
18:35
Speaker 3: took that journey with me. You know what I'm saying.
18:38
Speaker 3: He now has six kids, grandkids, like, never went drink. Never. Never,
18:44
Speaker 3: he would have tried it with me that day. Yeah.
18:47
Speaker 3: Normally a normal person tries cocaine for the first time,
18:50
Speaker 3: they do one or two lines. They tip back a
18:52
Speaker 3: little martini and they call.
18:54
Speaker 1: It because when you first start doing it, it lasts longer. Yeah,
18:57
Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed it.
18:58
Speaker 3: I put my head down on a coffee table and
19:00
Speaker 3: Montreal on a Friday and picked it up Sunday. I
19:03
Speaker 3: never stopped and the kid that was there looked at
19:06
Speaker 3: me and he's still it was Richie Rauo and he goes, bro,
19:11
Speaker 3: this shit costs money. It's like, what are you talking about?
19:16
Speaker 3: It's crazy how these stories. He gave me my first
19:20
Speaker 3: line of coke, I gave him his first bag of dope.
19:23
Speaker 1: Well, well that's the progression of the disease right now.
19:27
Speaker 3: It's like that this is I don't know, nineteen ninety five,
19:31
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six. Oxy cotton isn't out yet and everything's
19:38
Speaker 3: still fun. Like I wouldn't take away the first six
19:42
Speaker 3: five six years of use it for anything. It was
19:44
Speaker 3: so much fun. And then them pills came out. We didn't.
19:53
Speaker 3: I took my first oxy late ninety eighth, ninety nine,
19:58
Speaker 3: only because I know I was in he talks by
20:01
Speaker 3: late ninety ninety. Yeah, you know, but I didn't know
20:05
Speaker 3: I was. I didn't know I was gonna get hooked
20:07
Speaker 3: on opiates. If I think back now, I would have
20:10
Speaker 3: been hooked on something, no matter what it was. I'm
20:13
Speaker 3: born with this shit. Would it have been opiates if
20:16
Speaker 3: oxy didn't come out, I don't know.
20:18
Speaker 1: Well it changed when you say you you know you
20:20
Speaker 1: didn't mind the first five or six years, It definitely
20:22
Speaker 1: changes once the opiates come in, because that's a physical withdrawal.
20:26
Speaker 3: It changed everything. Yeah, it changed all my friends. It
20:30
Speaker 3: changed their families. It changed the way we behaved. It
20:33
Speaker 3: changed everything. And if you remember that first generation oxy cotton,
20:39
Speaker 3: it took all of us, me too, all of us.
20:42
Speaker 3: Think of all your friend group. It took all of us.
20:45
Speaker 3: There's maybe my brother Jenny and that guy Jay that
20:48
Speaker 3: it didn't take.
20:49
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, And you're like three out
20:51
Speaker 2: of three hundred.
20:52
Speaker 3: Right, That's how I know I'm born with it. Like
20:53
Speaker 3: I just told you, my brother's thirteen months removed from me.
20:57
Speaker 3: He has the same friends, He grew up in the
20:59
Speaker 3: same street. He did the same shit. We probably had
21:02
Speaker 3: our first drink together, do you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
21:06
Speaker 3: but he never did drugs.
21:07
Speaker 1: But while you were the cocaine, the ocs, what was
21:11
Speaker 1: what was your brother sees?
21:12
Speaker 3: He was experiment. He would experiment. He could smoke weedy.
21:17
Speaker 3: You know I never got high with him, Yeah, because
21:22
Speaker 3: I'd always do shit in excess. It wasn't it wasn't
21:27
Speaker 3: a half a forty bag that we were gonna split.
21:30
Speaker 3: I was already trying to figure out how to get
21:32
Speaker 3: your forty in the guy next to me, why keeping
21:34
Speaker 3: some in my pocket? You know the routine. Yeah, nobody
21:38
Speaker 3: was ever giving me a bag and going you go
21:40
Speaker 3: do yours and then bring my note.
21:41
Speaker 2: That never happened.
21:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember when I got to a meeting, one
21:44
Speaker 1: of the first things I heard was someone was talking
21:46
Speaker 1: about getting high and not enjoying what you were using
21:50
Speaker 1: because you're thinking about the next one. And I was like,
21:53
Speaker 1: oh my god, Yeah, that's so true. No matter how
21:55
Speaker 1: much you had, you're thinking about the next.
21:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, and early on if you think about it right
21:59
Speaker 5: when and I don't, I don't remember if you got siblings,
22:01
Speaker 5: not justin but for us, like we both had siblings,
22:03
Speaker 5: and they're not looking at it like you're all fucked up.
22:06
Speaker 5: They're just like, oh, he's just he's a little fucked up,
22:08
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, not like a problem yet.
22:10
Speaker 3: You know, I don't really understand well because now I'm
22:13
Speaker 3: working with a key different family member, okay, And it
22:20
Speaker 3: was like, okay, it was pre before anybody realized I
22:25
Speaker 3: had a problem. So like cocaine was okay, And I'd
22:29
Speaker 3: watch this person, uh, do a half a bag on
22:34
Speaker 3: Friday and come to work the next Friday with the
22:38
Speaker 3: rest while I'm like, what the fuck? Right, so you
22:45
Speaker 3: want a funny story, We're working at this place together,
22:49
Speaker 3: and and then I always had it, and I was
22:51
Speaker 3: like I knew where they were getting it, and I
22:54
Speaker 3: was given it to that guy. So I'm like, why
22:57
Speaker 3: don't you just cut out the middleman? He's getting it
22:59
Speaker 3: for me?
23:00
Speaker 4: What?
23:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, here, look, and it wasn't bad. We were just
23:05
Speaker 3: having fun and uh, we get a the boss comes
23:10
Speaker 3: in Monday and he calls for a big meeting in Uh,
23:16
Speaker 3: this is fucking crazy. You guys are getting all fucked
23:18
Speaker 3: up here. On Friday night, somebody left extra coke behind
23:21
Speaker 3: the toilet, and I was like, an idiot, I'm only
23:25
Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen. I go, yeah, okay, dude, there's no such
23:28
Speaker 3: I didn't leave extra coke behind the toilet. It's mine,
23:31
Speaker 3: but I didn't leave it behind the toilet. Somebody ratted
23:34
Speaker 3: us out. There's no way I'm leaving it behind. And
23:38
Speaker 3: it strung from there till I remember sitting with this
23:41
Speaker 3: person on a Tuesday night going, dude, you gotta try
23:45
Speaker 3: one of these. And it was an oxy and he goes,
23:49
Speaker 3: it's Tuesday night, and I go, I know that they're unbelievable.
23:52
Speaker 3: You gotta try one. He goes, dude, I look into that.
23:57
Speaker 3: It's Tuesday night. I'm like and prude, you know, like you.
24:02
Speaker 2: Know fast because to us it's normal.
24:05
Speaker 3: I had a couple buddies I grew up with that
24:07
Speaker 3: were doing lines with us, drinking ecstasy, the whole nine,
24:12
Speaker 3: and they wouldn't try one of them oxen.
24:14
Speaker 1: They knew and.
24:15
Speaker 3: They ended up. Okay, you know what, I mean, I
24:18
Speaker 3: still think some of them are smoking weeds six nights
24:21
Speaker 3: a week and drinking. But I had to go through
24:23
Speaker 3: what I had to go through. This is my my story,
24:27
Speaker 3: So whatever, it got to the whole routine. And anybody's
24:31
Speaker 3: who's ever sat in a meeting has heard this story
24:35
Speaker 3: a million times. But if you didn't, you go from
24:37
Speaker 3: OxyS Oxy's becomes too expensive, and we have the yets
24:43
Speaker 3: in our program. It's yet because at twelve, I was
24:47
Speaker 3: never doing coke, I was never doing klonapin. I was
24:50
Speaker 3: never doing weed. I drink, but I'm never doing that.
24:54
Speaker 3: And then you'd take down a wall and you'd go, well,
24:57
Speaker 3: it ain't all right, but I won't do this. Okay,
24:59
Speaker 3: I'll do this, but I won't do this. So you
25:02
Speaker 3: want to know how you get hooked on heroin. You
25:04
Speaker 3: don't try to. You don't wake up at ten years
25:07
Speaker 3: old saying I can't wait to be an IV drug
25:10
Speaker 3: user who robs his mother. It doesn't happen that way.
25:14
Speaker 3: You have all these yets and you take down what
25:17
Speaker 3: is it? Your moral compass? Is that what it is?
25:19
Speaker 1: Yeah?
25:20
Speaker 3: Your morals get lower and lower because you get more
25:22
Speaker 3: messed up and more messed up. So I'm hooked on oxy's.
25:26
Speaker 3: I remember I was stealing landscaping. I'm sick. I can't
25:32
Speaker 3: get oxy's right now.
25:33
Speaker 1: Well, they're very expensive, too.
25:34
Speaker 3: Extremely expensive. I was sulling coke to pay for my
25:39
Speaker 3: OxyS and a kid had a bag of dope and
25:44
Speaker 3: he's like he he shot me up for the first time.
25:47
Speaker 2: Imagine, I come fas sniffed it. You didn't sniff it first?
25:50
Speaker 3: I shot it?
25:51
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, usually stop, that's my story. I sniffed it first.
25:54
Speaker 3: Well, because my oxy tolerance was so high, I knew
25:58
Speaker 3: sniff and a Freddy bag. It wasn't going to do it.
26:01
Speaker 3: It was necessity. I had to get this in my body, right,
26:04
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I'm ten minutes away from
26:06
Speaker 3: shitting myself. Yeah, I'm shaking, I'm sweating. It's the grossest failing.
26:10
Speaker 2: In the world.
26:11
Speaker 3: Well, people will go, how bad's dope sick? It's bad
26:14
Speaker 3: enough to steal from your mother? Yeah, think of that, yep,
26:17
Speaker 3: because that would never cross my mind right now, to
26:20
Speaker 3: steal from even you guys, never mind my own mother.
26:23
Speaker 3: So dope sick is bad enough to make you steal
26:26
Speaker 3: from your mother. And you don't even steal from people
26:30
Speaker 3: in a vindictive way. It's crazy. I've always taken shit going.
26:34
Speaker 3: I had the grand scheme in my head, how I'm
26:37
Speaker 3: gonna get this forty bucks back here, and I can
26:40
Speaker 3: do it, and I'm just gonna take it. It's just
26:42
Speaker 3: alone that you.
26:43
Speaker 2: Don't know about, and well you justify it.
26:45
Speaker 3: You can justify anything if you let this disease run
26:49
Speaker 3: in your headlong andough anything. So kid imagine I'm from Chelsea.
26:55
Speaker 3: People talk about Chelsea. First time I shot dope was
26:57
Speaker 3: in Melrose.
26:58
Speaker 1: Well really, yeah, malls inside.
27:00
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not going to boach it. It's still taboo
27:03
Speaker 3: in my neighborhood. You can't be known as a heroin adtic.
27:07
Speaker 3: People still look at you different.
27:09
Speaker 1: Right, People drink you do coke, smoke weed. But you
27:12
Speaker 1: know if you're doing.
27:13
Speaker 3: That right, yeah, right, So you have to now keep
27:16
Speaker 3: that quiet even though everybody in the country knows you're
27:19
Speaker 3: strung out on ox easy but he no, why don't
27:22
Speaker 3: you dope? What are you talking about? So?
27:24
Speaker 1: Now, what year would this be where you transitioned? You
27:26
Speaker 1: think two thousand, two thousand and one, okay, so early
27:31
Speaker 1: two thousands, early two. So that began a whole next
27:33
Speaker 1: chapter of your life until you got clean in two
27:35
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, right first in.
27:39
Speaker 3: I got clean twelve, twenty eighth, eight for fourteen months,
27:45
Speaker 3: went out for a couple of months, and now I'm
27:48
Speaker 3: still clean. From March third, fourth, fifth, or eighth till
27:53
Speaker 3: twenty ten. I don't remember my clean day.
27:56
Speaker 1: Oh it was a fuzzy time, right, But from when
27:58
Speaker 1: you picked up when you train addition into the heroin
28:02
Speaker 1: up until two thousand and eight, the first time that
28:03
Speaker 1: you got cleaned before the relapse, it was just complete
28:07
Speaker 1: every day.
28:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred three sixty five, twenty four to seven.
28:11
Speaker 3: All I did was put one.
28:12
Speaker 1: More on, and you're in and out of detox, is
28:14
Speaker 1: I assume, oh.
28:15
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, hundreds of times? All right, thousands?
28:19
Speaker 1: So take us to your last day out there. I
28:22
Speaker 1: guess you had two last days, right, so you had
28:24
Speaker 1: the last day before eight and then or not.
28:26
Speaker 3: I'll take it to all. Wait, it's December twenty eighth,
28:31
Speaker 3: snow on the ground, a little bit, nothing crazy. I'm
28:34
Speaker 3: standing in a pocketing lot and Revere and a wife
28:37
Speaker 3: beater and a pair of flip flops, waiting for the guy.
28:40
Speaker 3: You know, the guy everybody gets the same fucking guy,
28:42
Speaker 3: And whether he comes in three minutes or three hours,
28:45
Speaker 3: that's on him.
28:45
Speaker 1: Well, there's a thing with the time, right, So when
28:48
Speaker 1: they say five minutes, it means twenty If they say
28:51
Speaker 1: ten minutes, it means half an hour. If they say
28:54
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, that's an hour.
28:56
Speaker 3: Good luck to this day. I won't wait fifteen minutes
28:58
Speaker 3: for anybody, Yeah, because I don't have to.
29:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's your choice.
29:02
Speaker 3: People have stuck. I've stood on a corner in a
29:05
Speaker 3: freaking monsoon for two hours just waiting for that.
29:08
Speaker 1: Think about how much time collectively between the three of us, Maddie,
29:11
Speaker 1: Damon and me, that.
29:12
Speaker 2: We've just waited, and we've just waited.
29:16
Speaker 3: How's this put this into perspective? Go take your car
29:19
Speaker 3: pocket in a pocking lot right now and sit there
29:22
Speaker 3: for forty five minutes. You know what you'll do. You'll scroll,
29:25
Speaker 3: you'll play with your radio, you might take a nap.
29:28
Speaker 3: You'll never look out if you rewind the clock. If
29:31
Speaker 3: you sat in a pocketing lot for ten minutes, you
29:33
Speaker 3: were on God, you were staring. Everybody was looking at you.
29:37
Speaker 3: The state police are coming, like nobody knows, nobody cares, right,
29:42
Speaker 3: But it took me through years of just straight abuse
29:48
Speaker 3: in end up homeless, just shooting whatever I could put
29:56
Speaker 3: in my body, ruin my family.
30:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask it about your family. So
30:02
Speaker 1: when you get two thousand and eight, they're not in
30:04
Speaker 1: your life.
30:05
Speaker 3: They are. But then not like I'm out of favors,
30:08
Speaker 3: I'm out of couches to sleep on, I'm out of
30:11
Speaker 3: please one more time. Because you'd go into Detalk for
30:14
Speaker 3: a quick spin, dry or whatever. I always went into
30:18
Speaker 3: detox thinking I was getting clean, and then my head
30:20
Speaker 3: would take over and I try and get on your couch, Jess,
30:23
Speaker 3: for I'll be fine. I can leave Detalks. I get
30:26
Speaker 3: a wet to box and a half a cup of Method,
30:28
Speaker 3: and I could finish this by myself. The only thing
30:31
Speaker 3: you can't do around here is get cleaned by yourself.
30:34
Speaker 3: It's impossible. Many have tried, Nobody has succeeded. This is
30:39
Speaker 3: we need each other. I'm waiting for the guy, and
30:44
Speaker 3: I'm standing in a parking lot and Revere and my
30:47
Speaker 3: brother lives across the street, and looking at his house,
30:50
Speaker 3: and there's a meeting across the street, meeting hall, and
30:52
Speaker 3: it's I don't know, ten eleven o'clock in the morning.
30:54
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the fuck? This is all I got.
30:59
Speaker 3: I gotta fucking stop. Shot bag, dude, that's all I have.
31:02
Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck, I'd like to tell you I called
31:06
Speaker 3: and got help.
31:07
Speaker 1: And oh, you walked to the meeting.
31:09
Speaker 3: Fuck. No, I waited until that guy came. I shot
31:13
Speaker 3: my bag and then went to detox. Yeah, and I
31:15
Speaker 3: started my journey from there.
31:17
Speaker 1: That was kind of your come to moment, your god
31:18
Speaker 1: moment is what I called them.
31:20
Speaker 3: Right, and I it took me eleven years to get
31:23
Speaker 3: thirty days clean. I was in and out of NAAA
31:27
Speaker 3: D talks, holding halfway house, this place, that place, and
31:32
Speaker 3: I'd like to say I couldn't get it. It don't
31:34
Speaker 3: work for me. I wasn't willing to do the fucking
31:37
Speaker 3: work that it took to get to where we are.
31:40
Speaker 3: I want to walk into a place and have what
31:43
Speaker 3: took you twenty years to get. I wanted this. I'm
31:46
Speaker 3: still like that. Yeah, you know, I want everything.
31:49
Speaker 1: Oh, it's instant gratification in that one.
31:51
Speaker 3: What all right? Sixteen and a half years removed from
31:54
Speaker 3: a drug or alcohol, My biggest problem is behaviors, instant ratification.
32:01
Speaker 3: I have to work on my character defects. I have
32:03
Speaker 3: to work on all that shit on a daily basis,
32:06
Speaker 3: or my best thinking gets me back to that pocking lot.
32:11
Speaker 3: I know where I'm going. That's why I don't pick up.
32:13
Speaker 3: I don't pick up today because I don't like the failing.
32:17
Speaker 3: If there were no consequences tomorrow, i'd use right now.
32:20
Speaker 3: I love the failing. Who don't It's fucking amazing, right,
32:26
Speaker 3: But I'm not willing to pay the consequences. And I
32:29
Speaker 3: know what happens when I pick up a drink or
32:31
Speaker 3: a drug. But my disease works on me in every
32:34
Speaker 3: aspect of my life. Is it food? Is a gambling?
32:37
Speaker 3: Is it?
32:38
Speaker 1: Sex?
32:38
Speaker 3: Is it? It could be anything. So I have to
32:42
Speaker 3: be aware of all them behaviors and I have to
32:45
Speaker 3: put them in Okay, time management a balance. We're looking
32:50
Speaker 3: for a balance in our life. You know this, and
32:51
Speaker 3: you know this, but these people out here probably don't
32:54
Speaker 3: know this. Like I still go with for reference in
33:01
Speaker 3: my life. I go to people who know shit, and
33:03
Speaker 3: I ask questions and I get answers. Do I do
33:06
Speaker 3: it all the time?
33:07
Speaker 4: Shit?
33:08
Speaker 3: No, I pay the consequences for it. I'm not willing
33:11
Speaker 3: to pay the consequences of picking up a drink or
33:13
Speaker 3: a drug.
33:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
33:17
Speaker 3: That trip to the casino or that extra bag of
33:20
Speaker 3: chips or anything like that, that's where it leads. That's
33:24
Speaker 3: where it leads. We never just you don't walk out
33:27
Speaker 3: of your house with you got how many is now
33:29
Speaker 3: it'll be eighteen, damon seventeen, I got sixteen and a half.
33:35
Speaker 3: At this type of clean time, you don't walk out
33:37
Speaker 3: of your house in the morning and go I'm going
33:39
Speaker 3: to shoot dope. No, it don't happen that way. It
33:43
Speaker 3: a starts with missing a meeting, and then it starts
33:46
Speaker 3: with not doing your step work properly, and then it
33:49
Speaker 3: starts with knots arounding yourself with people in recovery. Then
33:52
Speaker 3: it starts with one extra trip to the casino or
33:55
Speaker 3: an extra fucking ice cream a lie. That's how it happens.
34:01
Speaker 3: It happens. It don't go a whole mile. It happens
34:04
Speaker 3: in inches.
34:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:05
Speaker 3: So you wake up and you go, oh my god,
34:08
Speaker 3: I'm a hot mess.
34:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a threefold right, that's what they say
34:11
Speaker 1: a relapse. You know, it's it's a spiritual relapse first,
34:14
Speaker 1: and it's a mental relapse. And then the physical relapse,
34:17
Speaker 1: which is only a split second. You know, the actual
34:19
Speaker 1: picking up of the drug is the final step, and
34:21
Speaker 1: that's just a one second thing. You relapse way.
34:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're so far gone by the way actually put
34:27
Speaker 5: the substance inside of your body.
34:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:29
Speaker 3: Now, some people you hear telling their stories, and then
34:31
Speaker 3: they'll tell you the four grand fucking heists they had
34:35
Speaker 3: in their whole run, and it was bond and they
34:37
Speaker 3: were selling coke next to Tony Montana. Like dude, I
34:42
Speaker 3: could tell you four times. It was great getting over
34:44
Speaker 3: on somebody. What it comes down to, it was years
34:47
Speaker 3: of me using against my will, hurting the people with
34:51
Speaker 3: the same last name as me.
34:52
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
34:53
Speaker 3: Towards the last year of my using, I'd cry why
34:59
Speaker 3: I was shooting doing because I didn't want to do
35:02
Speaker 3: it no more, but I couldn't get It was impossible
35:05
Speaker 3: to be Justin, It was impossible to be Damon thee
35:08
Speaker 3: How the fuck do these guys do it? I can
35:10
Speaker 3: tell you exactly how Justin and Damon do it. One
35:14
Speaker 3: day at a time, that's it, and they just add
35:17
Speaker 3: up and it's so far removed from your head when
35:22
Speaker 3: you're standing in that parking lot because We've all, in
35:25
Speaker 3: better words, have stood in that parking lot. No matter
35:27
Speaker 3: where it was or what it was, we've all been there.
35:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the failing, not the place.
35:31
Speaker 3: There's no way I can get to where that guy is.
35:36
Speaker 3: I used to tell them they'd come find me in
35:37
Speaker 3: Chelsea Square. One of my brothers. I remember, my older brother,
35:40
Speaker 3: come find me, and I go, dude, leave me the
35:42
Speaker 3: fuck alone. This is who I am. This is how
35:45
Speaker 3: I'm going to die. And I was okay with it
35:48
Speaker 3: because it was impossible to get what he had. It
35:51
Speaker 3: was impossible to function like one of my sisters, I
35:55
Speaker 3: am who I am, this is what I am. Oh man,
35:58
Speaker 3: it's not impossible. If you do it day at a time,
36:00
Speaker 3: anything is possible.
36:02
Speaker 1: There's also the thought of getting clean and not having
36:05
Speaker 1: anything anymore that was always daunting for me. Yeah, like
36:08
Speaker 1: I have to give up.
36:08
Speaker 2: Everything, you know what am I gonna do?
36:11
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do?
36:13
Speaker 2: Yeah?
36:13
Speaker 3: Imagine telling yourself that you don't have enough time in
36:17
Speaker 3: a day to get done what you have to do now.
36:20
Speaker 3: It's it's insane. So, like they say in the program,
36:23
Speaker 3: you gave up one thing for everything that's right. You
36:28
Speaker 3: put the drugs back into your life right now, with
36:32
Speaker 3: all the clean time and knowledge and toys and houses
36:35
Speaker 3: and whatever you have, it's gone within a week. Gone.
36:39
Speaker 3: Yeah if it takes that long. Yeah, if it first off,
36:42
Speaker 3: Jen will throw you out in forty five minutes likely,
36:45
Speaker 3: So there goes your house in forty five minutes. Yeah.
36:47
Speaker 3: I hurt my back about two years ago in the
36:50
Speaker 3: gym or three years ago, and I couldn't straighten up
36:52
Speaker 3: and it was like hurt. So they sent me to
36:55
Speaker 3: a chiropractice and I could not get upright. And he
36:59
Speaker 3: takes He's like, oh my god, this thing is sitting
37:02
Speaker 3: on this thing whatever they said, let me try. I'm
37:04
Speaker 3: gonna write you a prescription. I go, nope, yeah, but
37:08
Speaker 3: mister Powers, you gotta be in severe pain. I go, well,
37:10
Speaker 3: you can see I can't fucking stand up right, real
37:13
Speaker 3: genius this doctor was. I go, no, okay, come back tomorrow.
37:17
Speaker 3: I come back tomorrow, same pain. He goes, let me
37:19
Speaker 3: write you a prescription. I go, doc, let me tell
37:21
Speaker 3: you what's gonna happen. If you write me a prescription.
37:24
Speaker 3: You're gonna write me a prescription for ten twenty thirty pills.
37:28
Speaker 3: I'm gonna eat all of them. Tonight when I come to,
37:33
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be homeless. I'm gonna have no job, no wife,
37:36
Speaker 3: my kids aren't gonna talk to me, and my parents
37:38
Speaker 3: are gonna be disgusted in me. Tonight. I'm gonna lay
37:41
Speaker 3: on my couch in pain. Wake up. I'm still gonna
37:44
Speaker 3: this pain will pass. I'm gonna have a house in
37:47
Speaker 3: a car, and my wife and my parents and my
37:49
Speaker 3: kids are gonna be okay. In a past. I just
37:52
Speaker 3: had a hip replacement last year or year today, yeah,
37:57
Speaker 3: May nineteenth or last year, and nothing has gone in
38:02
Speaker 3: my body in sixteen years, you want to call it.
38:06
Speaker 3: And I never had an operation before. When they went
38:10
Speaker 3: you get a big operation, they give you a shot
38:13
Speaker 3: of valume to calm you down before you go into
38:15
Speaker 3: the operator, which you got. I didn't know, but yeah,
38:19
Speaker 3: which is not the second that went in my vein
38:24
Speaker 3: My whole entire being changed my head, my thinking. So
38:27
Speaker 3: when I I don't remember anything after the shot because
38:30
Speaker 3: they put me out and whatever they did the operation
38:33
Speaker 3: and I came to.
38:34
Speaker 1: But you remember the feeling, Oh.
38:36
Speaker 3: No, I remember the feeling because I chased it for
38:38
Speaker 3: three days. I cut damon, I'll tell you. I went
38:41
Speaker 3: into the surgery two years of preparation. They knew what
38:45
Speaker 3: I was. I had a non narcotic prescription waiting for me,
38:51
Speaker 3: no knochotics. I will take whatever you have in the
38:53
Speaker 3: hospital because I'm not a MADA. You can't get a
38:56
Speaker 3: hip replacement surgery without sidding in the hospital. I get it,
38:59
Speaker 3: but I'm not leaving here with anything. I'm not doing anything.
39:04
Speaker 3: The second that went in my system, and this is
39:06
Speaker 3: with this much clean time. He owns recovery centers and
39:09
Speaker 3: sob houses. I'm plugged in, dude. The second that went
39:14
Speaker 3: in when I came to I was hustling the nurses
39:16
Speaker 3: for Metz. It was me in two thousand. The look
39:20
Speaker 3: on the face, the talk my sisters were discussed looking
39:23
Speaker 3: at me. They're like, oh my god, it's you. Thank
39:26
Speaker 3: Grandmare and Dad are on a cruise. I wouldn't want
39:28
Speaker 3: her to see you like this. And you want to
39:31
Speaker 3: know something crazy, Guess who left the hospital with a prescription?
39:36
Speaker 3: You fucking right, I did. I talked them into calling
39:40
Speaker 3: in a prescription of Walgreens. Damon and my friend Matt,
39:43
Speaker 3: who took me to detox in two thousand and eight,
39:48
Speaker 3: they come to get me as they're whailing me out.
39:51
Speaker 3: Nobody knows I have a prescription of oxy. How many
39:54
Speaker 3: were they? Damon? Thirty thirty? Oxy's a thing and.
39:58
Speaker 1: They're at the pharmacy.
40:00
Speaker 3: I'm in a walker, so I'm already thinking, these guys,
40:03
Speaker 3: I'm getting to you know, how we are. I'm getting
40:05
Speaker 3: to that bombers yea. And as they're rolling me out,
40:09
Speaker 3: they go, guys, whatever happened to me? I said, I
40:12
Speaker 3: got thirty aux. He's waiting for me at Walgreens, and
40:15
Speaker 3: I can't take the non narcotic thing today because I
40:18
Speaker 3: took the narcotic thing. So they're like, don't worry, we'll
40:22
Speaker 3: figure it out. And Damon took the pills and gave
40:27
Speaker 3: me two when I was supposed to have them held.
40:30
Speaker 3: He help. He didn't take me.
40:33
Speaker 2: I took him, which is what you're supposed to do.
40:36
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you know what that four hours I was like
40:38
Speaker 3: begging for him to come. I couldn't wait.
40:40
Speaker 1: But you didn't get any bad failing from them because
40:42
Speaker 1: you actually no, no, I was jammed, really, dam buddy.
40:46
Speaker 3: It was.
40:47
Speaker 5: It was ugly then the one of the like I
40:50
Speaker 5: was just I had him and I'd come to the
40:52
Speaker 5: hose every four hours to you know, check on and
40:54
Speaker 5: drop off whatever.
40:55
Speaker 2: The at like eighties, they just leave the midnight. Those
40:59
Speaker 2: now on Michelle's Homepa Papa Bo. I'm like, all right,
41:03
Speaker 2: no big deal.
41:03
Speaker 5: Hey, By like six thirty the next morning, his wife,
41:07
Speaker 5: boldest sisters A, he's done with those, No, And then
41:10
Speaker 5: he texted me. I think, I go, yeah, I go,
41:13
Speaker 5: You're already off, like there's nothing I can do to help.
41:15
Speaker 5: I woke up everybody told me you're done that Thursday.
41:18
Speaker 3: Because I couldn't go up to say I sat on
41:20
Speaker 3: my couch and I said, I gotta, I'm I'm I'm
41:23
Speaker 3: officially fucked, Like I'm fucked. I can continue this and
41:28
Speaker 3: lose or I got to do sign. So that's when
41:30
Speaker 3: I texted him. Unbeknownst to me, my wife and my
41:34
Speaker 3: sister had already shut me off.
41:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
41:36
Speaker 3: I didn't know how many days were on though, three okay, yeah, three?
41:39
Speaker 3: And then he went, I got my surgery on Monday.
41:43
Speaker 3: My last pill was on Wednesday. Thursday, it was pouring
41:47
Speaker 3: rain out. I took a walker and took my walker
41:51
Speaker 3: into a men's meeting and lyn and raised my hand.
41:55
Speaker 3: So when you say, oh, you don't know you've been
41:58
Speaker 3: like this just happened to me. Yeah. So last year
42:01
Speaker 3: I had to make another conscious decision. It's real easy.
42:05
Speaker 3: Do you want to be high or do you want
42:07
Speaker 3: to be clean? The decision's real easy. Doing it for
42:10
Speaker 3: two weeks. I wanted to get high every day, just
42:13
Speaker 3: like when I came around. But I knew the second
42:17
Speaker 3: I do that, everything's gone because everything in me change.
42:20
Speaker 3: My attitude, the way I talk, the way I look,
42:23
Speaker 3: everything changed.
42:25
Speaker 2: And I woke it up.
42:26
Speaker 1: Man, it woke it up.
42:27
Speaker 3: It woke the beast up.
42:28
Speaker 1: When they say it's an incurable disease, it's a good
42:30
Speaker 1: example of that. Sixteen years, fifteen years, whatever it was,
42:34
Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
42:34
Speaker 3: It woke it up. But now, due to what I
42:39
Speaker 3: learned in hall over the last twenty something years, I
42:42
Speaker 3: walked into that men's meeting and I'm like, ah, I
42:45
Speaker 3: got to tell these fucking guys. I get to tell
42:48
Speaker 3: these guys. You know what I mean. I raised my
42:51
Speaker 3: hand and I let it out there. Nobody gasped, nobody.
42:56
Speaker 3: When I can't believe he did that, I had to
42:59
Speaker 3: call my sponsor, go I think I relapsed. He goes
43:02
Speaker 3: slowed down. What happened, and well everybody knew. He goes, okay,
43:07
Speaker 3: so your last pill is what prescribe Thursday Wednesday. Yeah,
43:11
Speaker 3: what happened this morning? I said? I said, I wasn't
43:14
Speaker 3: gonna take him. You know my spont's he's been around
43:17
Speaker 3: thirty something. Man, it's the greatest guy ever. Yeah, he goes,
43:20
Speaker 3: all right, I'll see it's the meeting tonight. Okay, I
43:22
Speaker 3: walk into meet and raise my hand. I have not
43:24
Speaker 3: picked up anything since and honestly after them two weeks,
43:27
Speaker 3: it's gone out of my mind. God like helped me
43:30
Speaker 3: out again. I got this miracle now twice. That's insane. Yeah,
43:36
Speaker 3: thank of a journatics Genavis. Yeah, we work with the.
43:40
Speaker 5: Texas the company that it's the So he talked about
43:43
Speaker 5: that non opiate pay medication, the.
43:48
Speaker 2: Generic or the base. It's called Cetra gene. Okay, and they.
43:52
Speaker 5: They literally created this medication for specific situations like that,
43:55
Speaker 5: like a cute short term pain that for.
43:58
Speaker 2: People like us, and it works. Dude, worked it from
44:01
Speaker 2: absolute life save a farm.
44:02
Speaker 1: Say it again because people that are listening might want to
44:04
Speaker 1: know that.
44:05
Speaker 5: The company that made it is called Vertex, and the
44:10
Speaker 5: medication itself is called gynaviics.
44:13
Speaker 1: So now that you know that, the next time you
44:14
Speaker 1: have to get a procedure done, you can just take that.
44:17
Speaker 5: I knew that, Yeah, I knew you. Remember he did
44:20
Speaker 5: say that he still wasn't ready.
44:23
Speaker 1: Oh that was the not caught.
44:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, which works perfect. You don't need you don't need
44:28
Speaker 3: anything else. It worked great. Obviously I was still in
44:32
Speaker 3: a little pain, but manageable. I'm sitting here. I knew
44:35
Speaker 3: that the second and went into my system. It changed
44:39
Speaker 3: the way my brain functions, and I wasn't making decisions anymore.
44:43
Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing? Like, you know, especially in long term recovery,
44:46
Speaker 1: think about all the people that we talked to and
44:47
Speaker 1: that we help, you know, guys that we sponsor or
44:50
Speaker 1: just people in recovery, and we were talking and telling
44:52
Speaker 1: them how to stay clean. Right, this is what I did,
44:53
Speaker 1: This is what you need to do. And then in
44:55
Speaker 1: a split second, it all goes out the window.
44:58
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you what though, Like even though even
45:00
Speaker 5: though he went through what he went through with it,
45:02
Speaker 5: and and and you know, that's why we talk about
45:04
Speaker 5: when when something enters our system, we have no idea
45:06
Speaker 5: when we're gonna stop. We're not for that that medication
45:11
Speaker 5: for the for the gynamics, even though he had crossed
45:14
Speaker 5: that path, I don't think. I don't know if he
45:15
Speaker 5: would have made it back. I'm not sure he would
45:17
Speaker 5: have been able to.
45:19
Speaker 3: To just stop.
45:20
Speaker 5: And and because he was still in pain, Like he
45:21
Speaker 5: was still in physical pain. So he went to that
45:23
Speaker 5: and and like Ivy pro like you know what I mean,
45:25
Speaker 5: Like he just was able to get through because of
45:28
Speaker 5: and and and his medical the medical community he was
45:31
Speaker 5: dealing with, they didn't know anything about it either, you
45:33
Speaker 5: know what I mean, They had no idea and and
45:35
Speaker 5: you know, but still once it enters the body, man,
45:37
Speaker 5: once that narcotic gets in, I.
45:39
Speaker 3: Think Tatum was on it.
45:40
Speaker 2: Oh really, I think that medication all for his uh
45:44
Speaker 2: for the achilles.
45:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, imagine you could have became a patient at
45:49
Speaker 1: your own facility. I was.
45:53
Speaker 3: Funny you say that, because I used the groups of
45:55
Speaker 3: power of recovery.
45:56
Speaker 2: Yeah.
45:57
Speaker 3: And I went in and I sat in a group,
45:59
Speaker 3: the group facilitated go I'm like, hey, I'm just sitting here.
46:02
Speaker 3: I get in a group, wow, And I share is
46:05
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, Okay, yeah, great,
46:07
Speaker 3: I own power of recovery. I am an addict. I
46:11
Speaker 3: am a person that suffers from the disease of addiction.
46:14
Speaker 3: I will get as much out of this group as
46:17
Speaker 3: anybody sitting here. So I'd go in and chair and
46:20
Speaker 3: people go, Yo, the owner of this place fucked up.
46:23
Speaker 6: Huh dude, it's wild because they literally sit there and
46:27
Speaker 6: you know they I think sometimes it's it's super helpful too, right,
46:31
Speaker 6: even when you come in and share over there, Like
46:33
Speaker 6: people look at us like, oh, you guys are successful.
46:36
Speaker 2: You're separate.
46:36
Speaker 3: No we're not. We're no different than you.
46:38
Speaker 2: We're one.
46:39
Speaker 5: We're today removed from what's going on. And if we
46:41
Speaker 5: don't do this stuff that's kept us and gotten us
46:44
Speaker 5: to this point, then we're gonna be sitting in the
46:46
Speaker 5: chair for on the other side of the table again.
46:48
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
46:49
Speaker 1: That's actually a good God.
46:51
Speaker 3: Last month, seeing a new guy in the men's meetings,
46:55
Speaker 3: I go to Him'm like, wow, this kid looks familiar
46:57
Speaker 3: and I'm not placing them and uh he was Monday,
47:00
Speaker 3: and then Thursday and then Friday. I'm at power of recovery.
47:04
Speaker 3: I'm gonna run a men's group and he's there and
47:07
Speaker 3: he goes oh, I go, oh shit, Hey, he goes,
47:09
Speaker 3: you're Maddie. You're Maddie from here. I go, yeah, I'm
47:13
Speaker 3: Maddie from here. He goes, I didn't know you were
47:16
Speaker 3: like us. I go, I'm about to run the fucking
47:17
Speaker 3: men's group. Whatever. He come out of men's group. He's like, yeah,
47:24
Speaker 3: you're fucked up. I go, yeah, I am. Yeah.
47:27
Speaker 1: Well that's actually a good transition to uh to talk
47:29
Speaker 1: about power recovery, because you mentioned the groups and power
47:32
Speaker 1: recovery in revere is a day treatment an outpatient, you
47:36
Speaker 1: would say, right, yeah, so what goes into that, Like
47:39
Speaker 1: what if someone signs up and they enter the program.
47:42
Speaker 1: They're there every day, Monday through Friday.
47:44
Speaker 5: Different levels, Yeah, different low he always he turns to
47:47
Speaker 5: the head.
47:48
Speaker 2: So for the full day treatment, yeah, it's it's and
47:51
Speaker 2: it's what.
47:51
Speaker 5: We suggest for most people that are just first coming
47:53
Speaker 5: back out into very early recovery. They might have done
47:56
Speaker 5: in patient's day and they're looking, you know, they get
47:58
Speaker 5: a little time separated from work or before they can
48:01
Speaker 5: kind of really get back to it. So we recommend
48:03
Speaker 5: the full day treatment, which would be Monday through Friday
48:06
Speaker 5: nine am to three.
48:07
Speaker 2: Pm, and then with lunch.
48:09
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, lunch is the Yeah, yeah.
48:14
Speaker 1: That Bill, you know, we did. Wait, what's the lunch,
48:17
Speaker 1: I'm curious.
48:19
Speaker 2: It depends on the day. Could be pizza, he'd be.
48:20
Speaker 3: Sausage, pepper onion.
48:23
Speaker 2: When Maddie's not looking, we might go to Chinese.
48:26
Speaker 1: And so you switch it up, switch yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:30
Speaker 5: Okay, definitely, and then and then from there it's it's
48:33
Speaker 5: the step down, right you you uh, you step down
48:36
Speaker 5: from either the number of days in time that you
48:38
Speaker 5: go into like less uh less time during the day
48:41
Speaker 5: at first. Normally we'd go from like a full day
48:43
Speaker 5: treatment Monday through Friday nine to three to like half
48:46
Speaker 5: day treatment, and sometimes some people are getting back to work,
48:48
Speaker 5: so we also have an evening night treatment for IOP.
48:51
Speaker 5: That's the intensive outpatient is just three hours a day
48:54
Speaker 5: and it can go anywhere from one to five days
48:56
Speaker 5: a week for that, and then you can kind of
48:58
Speaker 5: keep dropping down your level of where you get to
49:00
Speaker 5: just the outpatient where you do a couple groups with
49:03
Speaker 5: one on one and then we even have a sixteen
49:06
Speaker 5: week relapse prevention program that is once a week with
49:11
Speaker 5: one on service. We have recovery coaching, which is a
49:14
Speaker 5: peer support service, and we have a ton of other
49:17
Speaker 5: stuff that we do twenty four Yeah, get twenty four D,
49:20
Speaker 5: which is also the Massachusetts and PA Driver's program. So
49:23
Speaker 5: anybody has a first offense OUI we're able to you know,
49:27
Speaker 5: we're an official provider from the state of Massachusetts to
49:32
Speaker 5: offer that sixteen week course for them.
49:34
Speaker 1: Which is mandatory.
49:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, and you get to get your license back,
49:38
Speaker 2: you get to go through all that.
49:38
Speaker 1: So you do a sixteen week course basically, yep, and
49:41
Speaker 1: you can do it at power one percent.
49:43
Speaker 5: It's actually it's a telehealth only only. They only offer
49:47
Speaker 5: it on Zoom. That's how everyone serves up the course now.
49:49
Speaker 5: But we are one of a handful of providers in
49:52
Speaker 5: the entire state that's able to do it.
49:53
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah wow. Okay, so the day treatment take
49:56
Speaker 1: me through one day. I sign up Monday through Friday,
49:59
Speaker 1: n into three. What does that look like between nine
50:02
Speaker 1: and three?
50:03
Speaker 5: Ah, So you're looking at uh like five groups during
50:07
Speaker 5: the day with a with a break a few minute
50:09
Speaker 5: break between each group.
50:10
Speaker 2: Uh.
50:11
Speaker 5: You walk in in the morning nine am. We got
50:13
Speaker 5: you know, this coffee, snacks. There's all sorts of stuff
50:15
Speaker 5: there to kind of like make you get comfortable.
50:17
Speaker 1: It's nice. I've been there.
50:18
Speaker 2: Yeah ye one hundred percent.
50:19
Speaker 5: So uh, we got we get the coffee machine, we
50:22
Speaker 5: got you know, some oatmeal whatever. If you're coming there
50:24
Speaker 5: and you need someplace to have a little bite in
50:26
Speaker 5: the morning to keep you there, that's fine.
50:28
Speaker 2: Uh you got you have that first group.
50:29
Speaker 5: It's usually kind of like a morning goals group, check
50:32
Speaker 5: in like how you doing, how's.
50:33
Speaker 3: Your day, what do you get playing for today?
50:35
Speaker 5: And then little break uh and then you keep going
50:38
Speaker 5: through without you get some different uh like serious clinical
50:41
Speaker 5: groups that you're really trying to dive into, uh define
50:44
Speaker 5: and triggers, and I mean we have a we have
50:46
Speaker 5: a whole curriculum.
50:46
Speaker 2: I don't want to bore everybody.
50:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, just different groups. Those are basically just all different
50:50
Speaker 1: groups that cover different things.
50:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
50:52
Speaker 2: And and and then we'll break for about an hour
50:55
Speaker 2: for lunch.
50:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
50:56
Speaker 5: Uh And like I said, if you're there for the
50:57
Speaker 5: full day, we provide you the lunch to stay and
50:59
Speaker 5: then at some point during the day or during the week,
51:03
Speaker 5: you'll have a one on one session with your with
51:05
Speaker 5: your concert. We also have case management services, so if
51:08
Speaker 5: you got little different things that you might Some people
51:10
Speaker 5: need to acquire some housing, some people need to acquire
51:15
Speaker 5: assistance with with like m p F m L A
51:20
Speaker 5: F m L A food stamp benefits. Also like whatever
51:22
Speaker 5: you need help with, we have a case manager that's
51:25
Speaker 5: going to be a signier that you're gonna get help
51:26
Speaker 5: with that stuff. And then obviously, like I mentioned, the
51:29
Speaker 5: recovery coaching is all part of that too, so you'll
51:31
Speaker 5: have you'll also get somebody assigned to your recovery coaching.
51:35
Speaker 1: Do you ever think you're getting clean? It would be
51:39
Speaker 1: it would come to this, to running all of this,
51:42
Speaker 1: not a million it's not really wild.
51:44
Speaker 3: My older brother says it best. Before I got clean,
51:47
Speaker 3: he wouldn't trust me to mail it on. Yeah, but
51:50
Speaker 3: I couldn't get an envelope from somebody's hand to the
51:54
Speaker 3: mail ball.
51:54
Speaker 5: A stamped envelope too, and he wasn't trying to require
51:57
Speaker 5: to get a stamp or anything.
51:58
Speaker 3: In beach mean, Chelsea's house. Some power of recovery. How
52:03
Speaker 3: many people do you think, oh man, daily or overall?
52:08
Speaker 3: There's like you got we have about six hundred people
52:12
Speaker 3: around here on a daily basis every.
52:14
Speaker 1: Day between power and all the sober houses.
52:17
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, and.
52:18
Speaker 2: Then your power of hope too, power hope baby.
52:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the adolescent mental health, not substances, mental health
52:24
Speaker 1: health adolescens.
52:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's in DAN vision and it's primary mental health,
52:29
Speaker 5: and and we're really trying to dive in and see
52:32
Speaker 5: if we can't help a lot of the kids. Some
52:34
Speaker 5: of them are going down that path that that could
52:37
Speaker 5: have them wind up like like one of us.
52:39
Speaker 1: Uh so that's out patient.
52:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to get them there before they we
52:43
Speaker 3: get them over here. Yeah, they don't need to go
52:46
Speaker 3: through what we went through.
52:47
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, I'll ask I'll ask
52:49
Speaker 1: Damon this question. Okay, a lot of parents listen to
52:52
Speaker 1: this podcast. Yeah, if they have teens, because what are
52:55
Speaker 1: the ages for Power of Hope.
52:56
Speaker 2: It's eleven to eighteen.
52:57
Speaker 1: Okay, so teenagers. So if you have an eleven to
52:59
Speaker 1: eighteen year old, maybe they haven't some problems, Maybe the
53:01
Speaker 1: kid is struggling in school, maybe some mental health stuff
53:05
Speaker 1: going out going on, they can reach out to Power
53:07
Speaker 1: of Hope.
53:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd actually have them reach out directly to Stephanie.
53:12
Speaker 5: She's one of our partners over there, and she's she's
53:15
Speaker 5: the one who's gonna answer all the questions, walk them
53:16
Speaker 5: through the intake process. The whole nine Yuys they get them,
53:19
Speaker 5: They get them all straight away. Her number is nine
53:22
Speaker 5: to eight four six one four zero six zero. That's
53:24
Speaker 5: her direct line, and she has no problem with me
53:26
Speaker 5: putting it out there because she's gonna speak to every
53:28
Speaker 5: single person before they come in the door.
53:30
Speaker 3: Anyways.
53:30
Speaker 1: Wow, amazing work you're doing, guys, Power of Recovery. How
53:33
Speaker 1: if someone needs some help struggling.
53:36
Speaker 3: Yeah you can.
53:37
Speaker 5: You can reach out eight five seven fifty six power
53:39
Speaker 5: or eight five seven five six seven six ninety three seven.
53:43
Speaker 1: Now, next time you come in next month in June,
53:47
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell your story.
53:49
Speaker 3: It didn't even gets into all mine. You guys cut
53:50
Speaker 3: me off? Which where we go?
53:53
Speaker 2: No, it got up to It's okay a year ago.
53:58
Speaker 3: I mean you literally just one year ago. But I
54:00
Speaker 3: skipped a whole bunch of stuff.
54:02
Speaker 2: Whatever.
54:02
Speaker 3: I mean, that's fine. They know everything. Anything you want
54:04
Speaker 3: to add to it, absolutely not. I'm kind of insulted.
54:07
Speaker 2: I think the successes speak for themselves.
54:09
Speaker 5: Yeah, poor Maddie, you know, kind of exulted. We give
54:12
Speaker 5: you some some potential talkbacks. Let's just say, oh, poor
54:15
Speaker 5: Maddy didn't get his due.
54:16
Speaker 1: Well, how about this if you would like a part
54:19
Speaker 1: two Maddie's story, leave a talkback, okay, and if we
54:24
Speaker 1: get enough talkbacks that are to convince us, then we'll
54:27
Speaker 1: bump Damon next month and we'll do Maddie Part two,
54:31
Speaker 1: Maddie part two of When You Got After You Got Clean,
54:33
Speaker 1: because we got up to two thousand and eight, that's
54:34
Speaker 1: all we made it to.
54:35
Speaker 3: We didn't even tell you mom.
54:38
Speaker 2: I know how I met Damon and how I met
54:40
Speaker 2: your mother.
54:41
Speaker 1: Oh, and it's weird crush on your sisters.
54:44
Speaker 2: It's not weird, dude, it's hot, all right.
54:47
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you want a part two, let me know.
54:49
Speaker 1: If we don't get him, then we'll go to Damon story.
54:51
Speaker 1: How's that is that?
54:52
Speaker 3: Good?
54:53
Speaker 1: You upset?
54:54
Speaker 3: Look at him?
54:54
Speaker 5: He's get all This is like a I don't know,
54:58
Speaker 5: sort of like a I'm not going to play they
55:00
Speaker 5: do on America's Next Top Talent or whatever the other
55:03
Speaker 5: shows that like, Oh, you want to see Maddie again.
55:07
Speaker 2: If you want a part two of Maddie, leave a
55:09
Speaker 2: talk back, we'll just say, fuck Maddie, let's dam We'll
55:14
Speaker 2: take We'll take him. Whatever talkback you throw out us.
55:16
Speaker 2: I don't care.
55:16
Speaker 1: Maddie makes a good point, though, we did only cover
55:19
Speaker 1: half of his story.
55:20
Speaker 3: I'm sorry now I need to go to a meeting.
55:22
Speaker 1: But this could turn into a part two. It could
55:24
Speaker 1: be a two part thing.
55:25
Speaker 3: Oh thank god, we got a commitment tonight, me and
55:27
Speaker 3: d story anyway.
55:30
Speaker 1: Oh you're sharing tonight.
55:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a thing going on all right?
55:34
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you boys, Thanks visit this next month.
55:38
Speaker 3: How's that?
55:38
Speaker 2: Appreciate it?
55:39
Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk tomorrow, guys.
55:41
Speaker 3: Bye bye,