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Ashy Bines Hates 'Gossip' Podcasts · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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Speaker 1: Kate Torber and coming up on today's show, Ashley Bynes
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Speaker 1: questions the integrity of a female-led podcast, Nikki Westcott takes
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Speaker 1: Black Friday marketing to the next level, Indy Clinton's corrective
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Speaker 1: nose surgery, and Martha Kalafatidis launches a kid's clothing line.
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Speaker 1: But first, Olivia Rogers has given an insight into the
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Speaker 1: baby names she likes. Last week, she announced she was
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Speaker 1: pregnant and she's already teasing her followers with baby names.
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Speaker 1: I'm loving it. To be honest, I was not surprised
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Speaker 1: by the tone of these names at all. They are
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Speaker 1: very classic, traditional. I want to say posty. That's our
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Speaker 1: word for posh. Posty names. So for boys, she said
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Speaker 1: she likes Freddie. Rupert Oliver and Oscar love them whilst
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Speaker 1: for girls she said Minnie Sadie Birdie and Florence I
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Speaker 1: am surprised that the name Charlotte is not amongst those
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Speaker 1: names perhaps that is because she wants to save that
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Speaker 1: as a name yeah because these are names that she
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Speaker 1: can't use but loves when I saw Sadie I was
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Speaker 1: like oh okay so she can't use that one because
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Speaker 1: her friend Michelle Andrews has used that name for her
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Speaker 1: daughter yeah Michelle Andrews is of course the host of
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Speaker 1: the shameless podcast Another name I was surprised that wasn't
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Speaker 1: on the list, which could be another name she may use,
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Speaker 1: is Alfie. I feel like that's really popular at the
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Speaker 1: moment and I like Alfie. So Olivia's partner, Hugo, his
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Speaker 1: last name is Breakie. So we've also got to think
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Speaker 1: of what might sound good with that last name. I mean, Rogers,
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Speaker 1: I have to say, Rogers is an easier name for
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Speaker 1: these names to sound good with. Well, it could be
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Speaker 1: Rogers Breakie. I mean, they're not actually married. Very true.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Rupert Rogers, quite a good ring to it.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of the double R. I think
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Speaker 1: that's sort of a bit of a tongue tie. Do
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Speaker 1: you think it's a bit of a cartoon character energy? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I do. Charlotte Rogers, Charlotte Brakey. I think actually, I
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Speaker 1: think if she, judging by the names here of Minnie, Sadie, Birdie,
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Speaker 1: I reckon it wouldn't be Charlotte, it'd be Lottie. Lottie, yes.
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Speaker 1: Or Hattie. Oh no, hang on, that's her sister's name.
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Speaker 1: That's why I'm getting confused. Well, Laura Henshaw, who is
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Speaker 1: also one of Olivia's friends, is set to give birth
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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. So she's 37 weeks pregnant.
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Speaker 1: We've just seen online that she's packing her hospital bag now.
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Speaker 1: But because she's having an elective C-section, I'm guessing that
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Speaker 1: she'll give birth at 39 weeks, so in two weeks' time.
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Speaker 1: I wonder what she's going to call her son and
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Speaker 1: whether she steals one of Olivia's names. That's the tricky
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Speaker 1: part when you have friends at all giving birth because
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Speaker 1: people generally don't want to share the name they've selected.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I was pretty open. I was just telling everyone.
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Speaker 1: It is a good way of dibsing the name though. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: putting your authority over it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We did have a situation with one of our friends
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Speaker 1: where her and Amy were giving birth weeks apart and
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Speaker 1: our friend's like, oh, Amy, I'll just share the first
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Speaker 1: letter with you. And it ended up being an H,
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Speaker 1: like Harry. And they're like, oh, what about the second letter?
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Speaker 1: It ended up being an A. And they're like, what
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Speaker 1: about the last letter? And it was a Y. Fortunately,
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Speaker 1: it turns out the babies are called Harry and Harvey.
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Speaker 1: So there was no need to cross the name off
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Speaker 1: the list, but it was a very tense moment. Got
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Speaker 1: to love all the Harveys out there due to Harvey
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Speaker 1: Specter from Suits. It's such a cute name. I love it.
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Speaker 3: They don't even have the full facts. They're gossiping about
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Speaker 3: my businesses, when I go away.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Bynes has questioned the integrity of an Australian female-led
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Speaker 1: pop culture podcast after she discovered the show had reported
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Speaker 1: on her online behavior. The OG fitness influencer accused the
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Speaker 1: podcast of making money from gossiping about other people's lives. Kate,
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Speaker 1: can you tell us more? Well, funnily enough, the podcast
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Speaker 1: in question is the one listeners are tuning into right now.
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Speaker 1: So Ashley has taken a listen to Outspoken and isn't
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Speaker 1: happy about the coverage. Now, while she didn't name Outspoken,
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Speaker 1: it's clear that that's who she was referring to, so
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Speaker 1: much so that a lovely listener shared Ashi's comments in
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Speaker 1: our Facebook community. Now, Ashi made the comments on her
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Speaker 1: own podcast called She Rises in an episode entitled Ashi
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Speaker 1: vs the Internet, the things people actually send me. She
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Speaker 1: then cut up a grab from her episode to promo
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Speaker 1: it on social media. Let's take a listen to some
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Speaker 1: of what she said.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so recently I got sent a podcast. It's a
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Speaker 3: gossip podcast, which I fucking hate listening to these things
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Speaker 3: because a lot of the time, and I have listened
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Speaker 3: to a couple lately that I've been sent, they don't
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Speaker 3: even have the full facts. They're gossiping about my businesses,
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Speaker 3: when I go away, so many things. And I'm like,
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Speaker 3: that's not actually the truth. Where did you spin that from?
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Speaker 3: Or you're missing out so many parts of the story.
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Speaker 3: just to make it sound worse.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: I really struggle to understand. Well, from a business perspective,
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Speaker 3: I get why they do it. Yeah. But from like
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Speaker 3: an integrity point of view, I'm like, you're literally making
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Speaker 3: money off gossiping off people's lives and not even having
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Speaker 3: all the true facts, but you're spinning things to make
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Speaker 3: things sound bad and to put the woman down so
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Speaker 3: people click your content.
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Speaker 1: Now, instead of discussing the topic at hand though, she
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Speaker 1: focused on the brief discussion that we had at the
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Speaker 1: start of the segment, which is where we address the
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Speaker 1: backlash that Ashley had been receiving about going on a
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Speaker 1: kid-free holiday. Let's take a listen to what Ashley said.
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Speaker 3: The first thing that they were talking about was how
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Speaker 3: I'm always going away and poor Steve's stuck at home
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Speaker 3: with the kids.
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Speaker 1: Poor Steve.
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Speaker 3: I was like, wow, that's so interesting. And one of
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Speaker 3: the hosts does have children and I'm guessing the other
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Speaker 3: one doesn't. But I was like, Steve goes away too.
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Speaker 3: Because they were saying, oh, poor Steve, like never gets
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Speaker 3: to go away. I'm like, he goes away all the time.
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Speaker 3: I just don't talk about it because I don't feel safe.
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Speaker 3: People knowing that I'm not at home with a man. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I feel unsafe without him in the house. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Now, Ashley went on to say that Steve had recently
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Speaker 1: been on a trip for America for 10 days and
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Speaker 1: had just gotten back from a holiday to Thailand for
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Speaker 1: another 10 days and that he goes on little work
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Speaker 1: trips here and there. She went on also that he's
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Speaker 1: a very private person and he doesn't ever want to
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Speaker 1: appear on camera, sort of alluding to that's why she
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Speaker 1: hasn't also touched on these trips that he goes on.
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Speaker 1: What Ashley said really got me riled up because I
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Speaker 1: am all for people sharing their opinions on podcasts. And
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Speaker 1: obviously we have spoken about Ashley's actions. So she is
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Speaker 1: well within her rights to talk about ours. but not
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Speaker 1: when it's factually incorrect. Because as you touched on at
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Speaker 1: the start of the segment in question, we briefly spoke
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Speaker 1: about how her followers had criticized her and her husband
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Speaker 1: for going on a kid-free holiday. Ironically though, we defended
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Speaker 1: her decision. So basically how the segment went down was
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Speaker 1: we gave a little bit of a background into the story,
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Speaker 1: that being that Ashley had defended herself on three occasions
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Speaker 1: for holidaying without her children. We then shed our opinion.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. Amy, how do you feel about
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Speaker 1: Ashley leaving her kids at home? Well, they do have
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Speaker 1: a father that is looking after them in those examples
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Speaker 1: that you provided. So I see nothing wrong with her
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Speaker 1: actually going and having a holiday with her friends. I mean,
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Speaker 1: mums do need a break as well. It's actually quite
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Speaker 1: ironic because Ashley said, oh, I think one of the
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Speaker 1: hosts has a child, but the other one doesn't. Factually,
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Speaker 1: if we're talking about facts, you guys both have kids
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Speaker 1: and you both brought that point of view together. about
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Speaker 1: your own experience with your children forward.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I did say during the discussion that I
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Speaker 1: understood the criticism more this time around because both her
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Speaker 1: and Steve were on a holiday away from their children.
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Speaker 1: But ultimately, I thought the backlash was unfair. And then
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Speaker 1: the discussion turned more personal and we used Ashley's situation
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Speaker 1: as a bit of a hook to discuss, oh, would
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Speaker 1: you go on a holiday without your kids? And at
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Speaker 1: the time, Amy said, yes. And I said, no, but
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Speaker 1: that was all personal preference. And I wrapped up saying
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Speaker 1: I was pleased that Steve got the call up for
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Speaker 1: the Euro trip after Ashi documented so many holidays of
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Speaker 1: hers away. I mean, I think people are entitled to
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Speaker 1: have a bit of a debate about child-free holidays or
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Speaker 1: not and share their differing opinions. I don't necessarily think
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Speaker 1: there was anything wrong with that. I also really want
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Speaker 1: to talk about Ashi's comments regarding our integrity. So as
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Speaker 1: a refresher, she accused us of not having any and
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Speaker 1: making money off gossiping about people's lives. without having the
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Speaker 1: true facts. And this is something I've noticed lately. There
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Speaker 1: is an increase in Outspoken getting labelled as this gossip podcast.
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Speaker 1: And ironically, the label mostly comes from people who aren't
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Speaker 1: happy that they featured on an episode. And I really
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Speaker 1: think it is a way for people to invalidate what
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Speaker 1: we have said and also really denigrate what we do.
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Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, Outspoken is not a gossip podcast. We
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Speaker 1: are qualified journalists and we provide commentary and analysis on
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Speaker 1: pop culture stories. The stories that we discuss stem from
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Speaker 1: things that have happened in the news, interviews, public statements,
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Speaker 1: events that influencers have attended, and information people have willingly
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Speaker 1: shared publicly about themselves. I hate to break it to people,
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Speaker 1: but gossip is not public information that everyone already knows.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we also don't feature blind items or private stories,
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Speaker 1: which a lot of gossip Instagram accounts do do. I mean,
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Speaker 1: on a rare occasion, maybe we will reference a DM
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Speaker 1: or a tip off from a listener that But we
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Speaker 1: will always fact check those. I mean, in no basis
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Speaker 1: does that actually act as the basis of the show, though.
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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe 5% gossip sometimes. And I just find
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Speaker 1: it ironic that Ashi accused us of putting women down
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Speaker 1: to create clicks when her labelling our podcast as gossip
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Speaker 1: shows off her internalised misogyny, if anything. I mean, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: there is a trend where female-led pop culture podcasts are
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Speaker 1: getting labelled as gossip podcasts, whereas when men do the
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Speaker 1: exact same thing, it's called commentary and analysis. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if our podcast was hosted by three men and focused
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Speaker 1: on something like sport or politics, there is no way
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Speaker 1: the discussions would be labelled gossip. I mean, why are
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Speaker 1: men not gossiping about AFL players when they discuss trade
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Speaker 1: week or when they discuss what's going on at a club?
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Speaker 1: I just think that the word gossip is now used
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Speaker 1: in a very interchangeable way whenever women talk about celebrities
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Speaker 1: or it's a light and fun show. But essentially, the
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Speaker 1: word gossip means that you're making stuff up and you're
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Speaker 1: spreading lies and rumors about people. I mean, the irony
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Speaker 1: is not lost on me that the bulk of our
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Speaker 1: conversations comes from in that public figures and influencers put
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Speaker 1: out about themselves to the public. I also think that
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Speaker 1: Ashi is trying to label us as this gossip podcast
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Speaker 1: so people don't take what we're saying about her businesses seriously. Oh, definitely.
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Speaker 1: I think it stems from maybe a conversation we had
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Speaker 1: regarding her podcast tour, which subsequently got cancelled. due to
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Speaker 1: what appeared to be a lack of interest in it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I always find it interesting when influencers are so unwilling
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Speaker 1: to name our podcast because they often make it very
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Speaker 1: clear that that's the podcast they're referring to. Do you
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Speaker 1: think it's in a bid to not direct attention to it?
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Speaker 1: I think one of the main reasons that influencers don't
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Speaker 1: name us is because they essentially don't want to drive
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Speaker 1: their hundreds of thousands of followers to our account. So
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Speaker 1: they don't want to be helping our podcast out and
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Speaker 1: promoting us. Particularly if we have said something that they
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Speaker 1: don't agree with or don't want out there. People pay
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Speaker 1: big money to get a mention on their channel. So
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Speaker 1: they're hardly going to be mentioning someone who they essentially
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Speaker 1: dislike and don't agree with. In a way, I find
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Speaker 1: it a little bit denigrating not to even name the
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Speaker 1: podcast as if it's so beneath them. Yeah, but it's
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Speaker 1: also because then they can say whatever they like about
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Speaker 1: it and no one can then go and fact check
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Speaker 1: if they don't actually know what the show is that
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Speaker 1: they're talking about. Oh, I definitely think there's an element
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Speaker 1: of that. But I do think, you know, we've worked
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Speaker 1: on this podcast for over six years. I think it's
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Speaker 1: coming to seven years and it is an established podcast now.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very proud of how we've grown the show.
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Speaker 1: We've actually just hit 17 million downloads. So I think
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Speaker 1: when Ashley Bynes talks about our podcast, she should name it.
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Speaker 2: Your friend had a cubby or there was a cubby
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Speaker 2: at the park.
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Speaker 1: But also the word cubby, like when you hear it,
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Speaker 1: doesn't it just instantly take you back to that place?
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Speaker 1: Martha Kalafatidis is set to launch her kids' clothing line
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Speaker 1: this week. The former Mavs contestant made the announcement at
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Speaker 1: the Darling Shine podcast live show. Now, the launch comes
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Speaker 1: off the back of Martha exiting the fashion brand she
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Speaker 1: started with her two best friends, Kate. Yeah, earlier this year,
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Speaker 1: Martha surprised her followers when she revealed she was no
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Speaker 1: longer a part of Lemwear. So she launched the brand
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Speaker 1: in 2023 with her two best friends, Maya and Yana. Now,
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Speaker 1: the name of the brand actually stemmed from a nickname
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Speaker 1: the trio were given years ago by their friends. So
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Speaker 1: it's clear just how close these women were. Now, after
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Speaker 1: posting a lot about the brand, suddenly there was radio silence,
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Speaker 1: which led fans to ask Martha what was going on. Now,
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Speaker 1: in March, she addressed the rumors in an Instagram Q & A.
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Speaker 1: To begin with, Martha was very straightforward with her response.
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Speaker 1: So when she was asked if she was still involved
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Speaker 1: with Lem, she simply wrote, no. She then decided to
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Speaker 1: delete that Instagram story and responded, unfortunately, no. Lusting over
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Speaker 1: this boxy pink shirt, I wish the brand all the
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Speaker 1: best moving forward. actually never heard of her brand before,
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Speaker 1: which maybe shows why it's not doing too well. No,
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Speaker 1: that's the opposite. It was doing really well. It was
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Speaker 1: pretty popular. Well, that being said, Martha Califatidis did block us.
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Speaker 1: I think it was a couple of years ago. It
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Speaker 1: was back in the day. Yeah. I actually can't remember. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I think it was because we discussed a clip where
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Speaker 1: she mimed the N word.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: I think that was in 2020.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, no, Lem is actually really popular. Like they
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Speaker 1: are known for kind of creating quite vintage pieces. They
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Speaker 1: are renowned for their jorts. They are actually pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of TikToks out about them. So it
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Speaker 1: was pretty big that she exited the brand. Now, following
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Speaker 1: the public announcement on an Instagram story. Martha and the
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Speaker 1: brand both unfollowed each other on social media. Wow. Now,
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Speaker 1: while Martha has never shared why she left the brand,
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Speaker 1: there is a lot of speculation that she had a
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Speaker 1: falling out with her friends, but she has never spoken
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Speaker 1: on the matter nor have the friends. Well, during this
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Speaker 1: Q & A, she also shared that she was interested
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Speaker 1: in starting a kids clothing brand and she finally confirmed
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Speaker 1: the news at the Darling Shine live show. Now, the
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Speaker 1: brand is called Cubby House, which I think is a
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Speaker 1: really cute name. And it was inspired by the nostalgic
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Speaker 1: feeling of hanging out in a cubby house as a kid.
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Speaker 1: You can tell how much thought and effort has been
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Speaker 1: put into this brand, which I found really refreshing. It's
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Speaker 1: not an instance where Martha's just slapping her name on something.
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Speaker 1: She described the collection as her life's work. And in
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Speaker 1: a Q & A on the brand's Instagram, she spoke
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Speaker 1: through all of the different decisions she had made to
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Speaker 1: ensure the clothes were comfortable and functional for kids. She
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Speaker 1: also touched on how she was really focused on reducing
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Speaker 1: the brand's environmental footprint. So for example, everything is packaged
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Speaker 1: in tissue paper rather than plastic and she isn't doing
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Speaker 1: swing tags. I really like that. I feel like a
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Speaker 1: lot of influencers know though that they've got to do
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Speaker 1: it because as soon as any influencer launches a brand,
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Speaker 1: So many eyes are on them and there is so
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Speaker 1: much judgment. It didn't feel performative though. It felt like
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Speaker 1: she was genuinely passionate about it and that's why I
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Speaker 1: think it's going to be very successful. I mean Cubby
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Speaker 1: House's Instagram already has 35,000 followers. I think they're going
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Speaker 1: to sell out instantly. Well, she said that 90% of
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Speaker 1: the kids' clothes are going to be unisex, but she
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Speaker 1: couldn't quite resist adding some cute girl stuff. I assume
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Speaker 1: that's after she discovered that she's having a daughter. What's
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Speaker 1: pretty funny because Martha and Michael were sharing behind the
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Speaker 1: scenes photos of developing the brand. And they shared quite
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Speaker 1: a few photos of Looch modelling the girls' clothes and
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Speaker 1: he just looked so cute. They are absolutely stunning clothes.
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Speaker 1: All I can think about is the collaboration that they
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Speaker 1: recently did with Cotton On for their Christmas campaign. So
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Speaker 1: last year Cotton On did a campaign with Indie Clinton
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Speaker 1: and their pyjamas, they had kids' pyjamas and also adults'
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Speaker 1: Christmas pyjamas. Family sets.
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Speaker 2: They.
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Speaker 1: sold out immediately. I have some of them. They were
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Speaker 1: so cute. I remember we raced into the store to
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Speaker 1: get them. But this year Martha and her family launched
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Speaker 1: the campaign and unfortunately the designs were awful. They literally
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Speaker 1: looked like bowling outfits. Well, they're being chucked out in
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Speaker 1: the Black Friday sales at the moment. I can't actually
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Speaker 1: find a good pair of kids' pyjamas because I wanted
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Speaker 1: to get some for Luca. But I was like, I
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Speaker 1: don't even want these. No, they didn't even look like pajamas.
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Speaker 1: They potentially look like clothes you could wear out or
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Speaker 1: to go bowling. I mean, this is no shade to
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Speaker 1: Cotton On because I actually love a lot of Cotton
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Speaker 1: On's clothes, but it was just really disappointing because it
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Speaker 1: was such a hit last year. And I wonder if
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Speaker 1: Martha had anything to do with the design. That's what
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Speaker 1: I was going to say. I don't think she did.
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Speaker 1: I think Cotton On just pick a famous family to
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Speaker 1: be the faces of that campaign. I wonder if she
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Speaker 1: wants to distance herself a bit from the campaign to
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Speaker 1: be like, look, I didn't design these clothes. And I
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Speaker 1: wonder if it also made her a little bit worried
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Speaker 1: leading into this brand thinking, oh my God, well, the
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Speaker 1: clothes didn't sell out this year. How's my brand going
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Speaker 1: to go? I mean, I think there's a difference between
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Speaker 1: being a face for a campaign and actually manufacturing the
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Speaker 1: clothes for yourself. I mean, Martha has been working on
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Speaker 1: this clothing brand for the last 10 months. The original
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Speaker 1: plan was to actually share every detail of the process,
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Speaker 1: but Martha falling pregnant and suffering with HG through a
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Speaker 1: spanner in the work. So the family was actually in
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Speaker 1: China on a trip to visit the brand's manufacturer in
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Speaker 1: July and when she was struck down with HG symptoms.
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Speaker 1: And she shared photos of her doing all these fittings
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Speaker 1: with Looch while she was hooked up to an IV drip. Now,
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Speaker 1: Michael said that Martha was then bedridden for two months.
17:04
Speaker 1: And when she was finally able to get up and
17:07
Speaker 1: sit on the couch, she was given the option to
17:08
Speaker 1: push back the launch to 2026. But he said she
17:12
Speaker 1: wasn't having any of it. So they have planned to
17:14
Speaker 1: launch this week. I have to say, mums are just remarkable,
17:17
Speaker 1: aren't they?
17:18
Speaker 2: They are.
17:19
Speaker 1: I actually think the HG story... might actually prompt people
17:23
Speaker 1: to purchase from this brand that may not have to
17:26
Speaker 1: support Martha. Well, Martha is currently 23 weeks pregnant, but
17:30
Speaker 1: she says she feels about 39 weeks pregnant. I feel
17:33
Speaker 1: so sorry for her, particularly with it starting to get
17:35
Speaker 1: hot now. How amazing that she managed to attend the
17:38
Speaker 1: Darling Shine live show. She said around the 18 week mark,
17:41
Speaker 1: she began feeling well enough to leave the house for
17:43
Speaker 1: short periods of time. but the nausea is relentless. I
17:47
Speaker 1: was listening to Amber from Influencer Updates Live about the
17:50
Speaker 1: Darling Shine podcast. I really enjoyed all of the insights.
17:53
Speaker 1: And she was saying that both Chloe and Martha were
17:55
Speaker 1: struggling during the majority of the show with reflux. And
17:59
Speaker 1: I was like, that is the worst feeling. I hope
18:01
Speaker 1: they were popping some lifesavers. Oh, that is horrible. It's
18:04
Speaker 1: just giving me PTSD from that time. Now, Martha has
18:09
Speaker 1: dropped a few baby name clues. So Back when she
18:13
Speaker 1: was pregnant with Looch, she said that she was convinced
18:15
Speaker 1: she was having a girl and she was set on
18:17
Speaker 1: the name Billie. So Billie Brunelli, she said it had
18:20
Speaker 1: a cute ring to it. Do we reckon she doesn't
18:22
Speaker 1: like that now that Steph Clare Smith's taken the name Billie? Well,
18:25
Speaker 1: she said that when she told her mum about the name,
18:27
Speaker 1: her face was just like gave it away. She did
18:30
Speaker 1: not like it. She said she also loves Bobby and Meadow,
18:33
Speaker 1: but doesn't think she'll use any of those names and
18:35
Speaker 1: doesn't have a name that she's leaning towards at the moment.
18:38
Speaker 1: So she asked her followers for inspo. What, Bobby for
18:40
Speaker 1: a girl? Yeah, Chloe Fisher's daughter is called Bobby. Oh, okay.
18:43
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was a girl's name.
18:44
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
18:45
Speaker 1: I'm just having a flashback. I literally had a dream
18:47
Speaker 1: last night that Amy came in and told us that
18:50
Speaker 1: Harry's name was Bobby. And I'm like, hang on, but
18:52
Speaker 1: it's Harry. What, that she changed it? Well, I don't
18:54
Speaker 1: even know.
18:54
Speaker 3: You know what?
18:54
Speaker 1: It doesn't even make sense. She's jumped on the influencer train.
18:59
Speaker 1: He's Bobby and he's Billy. I'm not ready isn't a feeling.
19:04
Speaker 1: It's actually a decision. Nikki Westcott and Lucy Jackson have
19:08
Speaker 1: taken Black Friday marketing to the next level. On Wednesday,
19:13
Speaker 1: the Happy Hour hosts asked their followers to sign up
19:15
Speaker 1: to find out the gender of Nikki's babies. This really
19:19
Speaker 1: threw me because I remember listening to Nikki's birth announcement
19:23
Speaker 1: podcast and she's like, no, no, I'm not going to
19:25
Speaker 1: find out. It's going to be a secret. I'll find
19:26
Speaker 1: out when the baby's born. And I was like, hang on, what? Yeah,
19:29
Speaker 1: I was really confused too. So on Wednesday, Nikki shared
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Speaker 1: a video appearing to do a gender reveal. And in
19:36
Speaker 1: the vision, she was standing in front of Lucy and
19:38
Speaker 1: their Jagger and Stone staff with a confetti cannon. So
19:41
Speaker 1: the team proceeded to count Nikki down and she let
19:44
Speaker 1: off the cannon and the whole team erupted in celebration.
19:48
Speaker 1: But as all influencers do, as soon as the cannon erupted,
19:52
Speaker 1: it switched to black and white before the gender was revealed.
19:56
Speaker 1: And in the caption, Nikki wrote, tomorrow at 8am, sign
19:59
Speaker 1: up via link in bio. Now this video attracted a
20:03
Speaker 1: huge response. So at the time of recording, it has
20:06
Speaker 1: over 318,000 views. 4,000 likes and over 600 send-ons. I
20:13
Speaker 1: have to admit, I saw this video when I was
20:15
Speaker 1: on the toilet. I feel like that's where you do
20:16
Speaker 1: a lot of this scrolling, particularly as a mother. Or
20:18
Speaker 1: as OG listeners will know, in the shower. We like
20:21
Speaker 1: to scroll in the shower. I don't do that anymore.
20:22
Speaker 1: I don't have the time. I feel like I've damaged
20:24
Speaker 1: my phone from doing it. So I do regret doing it. Anyway,
20:27
Speaker 1: when I saw this video, I honed in on Lucy's
20:31
Speaker 1: reaction because I thought her face would give away the gender.
20:35
Speaker 1: And Lucy looked ecstatic so I was thinking this is
20:38
Speaker 1: definitely a girl I don't know it's had girl vibes
20:40
Speaker 1: why do you think Lucy would be ecstatic if it
20:42
Speaker 1: was a girl because I feel like as her best
20:44
Speaker 1: friend they always do dinner out with the girls and
20:47
Speaker 1: drinks with the girls I mean they have a whole
20:49
Speaker 1: female-led team at Jagger and Stone I just get the
20:52
Speaker 1: vibe that they think a girl would fit more into
20:54
Speaker 1: their lifestyle so that means Nikki's definitely having a boy
20:57
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it out there oh yeah Well, it
21:01
Speaker 1: seemed like Nikki's followers agreed with my sentiment because one
21:04
Speaker 1: follower wrote, it's giving girl energy, which received 93 likes,
21:08
Speaker 1: while another said, it's got to be a girl if
21:10
Speaker 1: it's got Lucy reacting like that. Now, later that night
21:15
Speaker 1: after seeing the video, for some reason I kept thinking
21:17
Speaker 1: about it and I was like, wasn't that a bit
21:19
Speaker 1: weird that Nikki's husband, Ollie Frost, wasn't part of the announcement?
21:23
Speaker 1: It's probably best for Nikki's PR that he's not sort
21:25
Speaker 1: of front and center either after all of those reports
21:28
Speaker 1: in the Gold Coast Bulletin about his business dealings. Oh, well,
21:31
Speaker 1: he has been front and center of her content. But yeah,
21:33
Speaker 1: I just thought at the time, I'm like, oh, weird
21:34
Speaker 1: not to have your husband involved. I should have really
21:37
Speaker 1: known that something was up because the next day Nikki
21:40
Speaker 1: revealed that the video was all part of a Black
21:43
Speaker 1: Friday stunt. So she posted the full video, this time
21:47
Speaker 1: in color, to reveal both pink and blue confetti coming
21:50
Speaker 1: from the cannon and And at first I was confused.
21:53
Speaker 1: I was, I tried to zoom up to be like, wait,
21:55
Speaker 1: is it blue or is it pink? Twins, boy and
21:57
Speaker 1: a girl. But then Nikki yelled this. Now over the top,
22:07
Speaker 1: it said 70% off site wide for Jagger and Stone.
22:10
Speaker 1: Nikki also wrote, it's a dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.
22:14
Speaker 2: Okay.
22:15
Speaker 1: But seriously, you guys didn't think I'd actually do a
22:17
Speaker 1: gender reveal with my staff and not my husband, did you?
22:20
Speaker 1: Biggest sale ever on Jagger and Stone site. Entry via
22:23
Speaker 1: password only. I'm actually a big fan of this Black
22:27
Speaker 1: Friday sale announcement because you have to do a lot
22:30
Speaker 1: to cut through all of the promotion that's out there
22:33
Speaker 1: at the moment. The fact that they managed to create
22:36
Speaker 1: so much hype is impressive. And also the fact that
22:39
Speaker 1: it's 70% off. Yeah, that's huge. We have seen a
22:43
Speaker 1: lot of brands copying each other this year by doing
22:46
Speaker 1: these comedic fake apology statements. I got sucked in the
22:50
Speaker 1: first time. And then when I see them, I'm like, scroll,
22:52
Speaker 1: couldn't care less. Yeah. See, I actually love that the
22:54
Speaker 1: girls have done something a bit different because it has
22:56
Speaker 1: really cut through. The videos have attracted huge send-ons and
23:00
Speaker 1: huge engagement. I was really curious to see the reaction
23:03
Speaker 1: in the comment section because the girls are known for
23:06
Speaker 1: playing tricks on the punters. So one April Fool's Day,
23:10
Speaker 1: they tricked their listeners that they were shutting down the podcast.
23:12
Speaker 1: So One follower wrote, just when I think I can't
23:15
Speaker 1: be caught out by you girls again, dot, dot, dot,
23:17
Speaker 1: you get me again. Whilst another said, well played ladies.
23:22
Speaker 1: Others also praised the marketing genius while others like me
23:25
Speaker 1: said that they were still squinting trying to figure out
23:28
Speaker 1: what color the confetti was. When I realized this was
23:31
Speaker 1: a prank, my initial reaction was, God, I hope they
23:34
Speaker 1: don't get slammed because obviously on the internet these days,
23:37
Speaker 1: people operate with a lot of sensitivity around fertility, particularly
23:42
Speaker 1: around pregnancy announcements. Like there is nothing worse you can
23:45
Speaker 1: do than put up a fake pregnancy reveal. I know
23:48
Speaker 1: a lot of influencers got slammed around April Fool's Day
23:50
Speaker 1: doing that. But then I was like, oh no, hang on.
23:52
Speaker 1: It's going to be fine. It's a gender reveal. It's
23:54
Speaker 1: completely different. I mean, it'd be a completely different story
23:57
Speaker 1: if Lucy Jackson pretended that she was dropping a pregnancy announcement.
24:01
Speaker 1: I also feel like ever so slightly the internet is
24:05
Speaker 1: shifting with council culture and Potentially, if this was shared
24:08
Speaker 1: in 2020, I feel like someone could have come up
24:11
Speaker 1: with a reason as to why it offended them, but
24:13
Speaker 1: I'm actually glad that it was received positively because it
24:16
Speaker 1: was all in fun. Yeah, I think everyone has a
24:18
Speaker 1: bit more of a sense of humor these days.
24:21
Speaker 2: People are just so nosy.
24:24
Speaker 1: Fun. Seven months after unveiling her new nose, Indy Clinton
24:29
Speaker 1: has revealed she's having a corrective rhinoplasty. The popular TikToker
24:33
Speaker 1: was trolled for months following the procedure and with followers
24:36
Speaker 1: declaring that she had ruined her face. Now, so Indie
24:39
Speaker 1: made the admission during an influencer event. That's right. So
24:42
Speaker 1: Indie broke the news whilst attending fast fashion brand Showpo's
24:46
Speaker 1: 15th birthday bash. And that is the birthday bash where
24:49
Speaker 1: Tammy stole the show, walking out with, quote, an old man.
24:53
Speaker 1: That's what TikTok was calling him. Potentially, he may be
24:56
Speaker 1: the CEO of the talent management company that she is
24:59
Speaker 1: managed by. I was very sad to miss out on
25:01
Speaker 1: that episode. I did have a few thoughts about that.
25:03
Speaker 1: It's also the event where Tammy posted about a muscly
25:07
Speaker 1: man basically cuddling her in bed, which attracted a lot
25:10
Speaker 1: of attention as well. Yeah, we're not sure if said
25:12
Speaker 1: old man was the same muscly man. I don't think
25:14
Speaker 1: it was. His arm looked too young. Now, the brand
25:18
Speaker 1: ended up filming a You Look Happier trend video. We
25:21
Speaker 1: are seeing this happen at a lot of fast fashion
25:23
Speaker 1: brand events where they try and jump on all of
25:25
Speaker 1: the trends. And that is where Indie revealed the news.
25:28
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what she said. Thank you.
25:31
Speaker 3: I'm getting a new nose in a few weeks.
25:34
Speaker 1: Think a lot of people saw this coming. We have
25:36
Speaker 1: followed this story extensively since back in April when she
25:40
Speaker 1: revealed her nose and was inundated with some disgusting commentary
25:45
Speaker 1: about it. It did bring out a very ugly side
25:47
Speaker 1: of social media. And when she did reveal her nose,
25:50
Speaker 1: she prefaced that it was very swollen because she was
25:53
Speaker 1: only two weeks post-op and that it would take several
25:56
Speaker 1: months to heal. But this really didn't stop the barrage
25:59
Speaker 1: of judgment and hate with some followers saying that the
26:02
Speaker 1: nose job had ruined her face, which is just disgusting.
26:06
Speaker 1: One user wrote, it's one of the worst jobs I've
26:08
Speaker 1: ever seen. Half her nostrils are cut off. Whilst another
26:12
Speaker 1: said she's ruined herself. She was naturally beautiful. She didn't
26:15
Speaker 1: need surgery. Now those comments are absolutely abhorrent. I feel
26:19
Speaker 1: awkward reading them out, but I wanted to demonstrate just
26:22
Speaker 1: how disgusting the commentary was around this nose job. I mean,
26:25
Speaker 1: the online bullying became so intense that Indy was forced
26:29
Speaker 1: to shield her nose behind a face mask while she
26:32
Speaker 1: appeared online. It's quite ironic because when Indy announced her
26:35
Speaker 1: nose job initially, she admitted that she actually considered hiding
26:39
Speaker 1: it from her followers because she didn't want the judgment
26:42
Speaker 1: and she also didn't want to look like she was
26:43
Speaker 1: promoting cosmetic surgery because it came off the back of
26:46
Speaker 1: her also getting breast implants a couple of months before. Yeah,
26:49
Speaker 1: and it got to the point where all of this
26:51
Speaker 1: commentary really negatively affected Indy Clinton's mental health. She wasn't
26:55
Speaker 1: showing up online. She was really struggling. And at the
26:58
Speaker 1: end of July, she addressed the huge reaction to her
27:01
Speaker 1: nose job. So in a candid TikTok video, she admitted
27:04
Speaker 1: that she wasn't happy with the results of the surgery
27:07
Speaker 1: and didn't ask for the nose that she currently has.
27:09
Speaker 1: She said, do you think I asked for this? Genuinely.
27:12
Speaker 1: Let me make it clear for you guys. I asked
27:14
Speaker 1: for minor tweaks. I am Italian. I have a Mediterranean nose.
27:17
Speaker 1: I love that. That was what we agreed on. Does
27:19
Speaker 1: it look like I've had minor tweaks? There's your answer,
27:22
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. That's the thing because Indy initially went
27:26
Speaker 1: in for the nose job to fix a minor surfing
27:29
Speaker 1: injury that she had received. It wasn't because she'd grown
27:32
Speaker 1: up hating her nose or anything like that. She also
27:35
Speaker 1: spoke more about the nose job on the Stellar podcast.
27:38
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to some of what she said.
27:41
Speaker 2: I just wanted that, that shaved down, like something here lifted, like.
27:47
Speaker 2: to make my nostrils less exposed. But did that work?
27:50
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And I woke up and I had the
27:54
Speaker 2: cast on my face for 12 days, like you do.
27:57
Speaker 2: And then I went to the office and the nurse
27:59
Speaker 2: removed it. And I looked at myself, I was like,
28:01
Speaker 2: oh my God, what the f * * *? And
28:03
Speaker 2: I was under the impression that it would change. I
28:07
Speaker 2: was told it would change. It always looks like this, right?
28:09
Speaker 2: But from the get go, it looked like a a pig,
28:13
Speaker 2: but a pig is a nice term. Honestly, it looked
28:16
Speaker 2: like a, I don't even know what it looks like,
28:17
Speaker 2: but it didn't look like my nose. It didn't look
28:19
Speaker 2: like minor tweaks.
28:21
Speaker 1: It's really interesting to hear there that Indy was told
28:25
Speaker 1: by the surgeon that don't worry, it'll look different. They
28:28
Speaker 1: didn't actually say, hey, we fucked up and something's gone
28:31
Speaker 1: wrong here. Well, you hear that a lot. I remember
28:33
Speaker 1: when Sky Wheatley got her fox eye surgery done in
28:36
Speaker 1: Turkey last year and the reaction online was just as
28:41
Speaker 1: bad as it was towards Indy Clinton's nose. People were
28:44
Speaker 1: very unkind. But Skye was correct. The effect really softened
28:48
Speaker 1: and it wasn't as harsh as what she had to
28:50
Speaker 1: begin with. Well, that's the thing. With nose jobs, they
28:53
Speaker 1: do typically take a full year to heal and for
28:56
Speaker 1: the final results to be seen. But as Indy touched on,
28:58
Speaker 1: it was quite clear that something really didn't go to plan.
29:01
Speaker 1: So that's why I think that she is getting this
29:03
Speaker 1: revision surgery done quite soon after the initial surgery because
29:07
Speaker 1: usually people would say, Wait a little bit longer. Yeah,
29:10
Speaker 1: it's been eight months. But I think it's quite clear
29:14
Speaker 1: in this case that something hasn't gone quite right. And
29:18
Speaker 1: I take my hat off to Indy that she hasn't
29:19
Speaker 1: actually exposed the surgeon who did carry out this surgery.
29:24
Speaker 1: It would be tough not to, particularly when she has
29:27
Speaker 1: received so much trolling and it has taken such a
29:29
Speaker 1: toll on her mental health. I wonder if it's the
29:31
Speaker 1: same surgeon doing the revision. I mean, I assume that
29:33
Speaker 1: she's gone elsewhere. This is the thing, though. I don't
29:36
Speaker 1: want anyone to feel validated that, you know, oh, well,
29:39
Speaker 1: it was fine for me to say these comments because
29:40
Speaker 1: she's not happy with the nose job herself. I actually
29:43
Speaker 1: think it makes some of these negative comments even worse
29:45
Speaker 1: to consider what Indy was going through. I mean, it's
29:48
Speaker 1: absolutely horrendous that this surgery happened has gone down in
29:51
Speaker 1: the way it has and that she's so dissatisfied with it.
29:54
Speaker 1: I just really hope Indy is happy with the revision
29:57
Speaker 1: once it's done and she can just move forward from this.
29:59
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of it she will be documenting
30:01
Speaker 1: because she actually didn't document the procedure initially. If I
30:06
Speaker 1: was her, I probably would because it might make people
30:08
Speaker 1: appreciate what she's gone through and be a bit more empathetic.
30:14
Speaker 1: Do we reckon that she's doing it around Christmastime So
30:16
Speaker 1: people give her the grace that she's going away on
30:18
Speaker 1: a bit of a holiday. She might not return until
30:21
Speaker 1: she's fully happy. Yeah, probably. I mean, she did that
30:24
Speaker 1: when she got her breast implant. She announced that she
30:27
Speaker 1: was taking two weeks off. So yeah, that could all
30:30
Speaker 1: line up. Well, that is where we're going to leave
30:32
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