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ITB: Eagles Battle Ahead For Last CB Spots Behind Mitchell, Woolen · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: What's going on, everybody? It's Jeff Mosher Adam Kaplan.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: We're starting to finish up this great series we've been doing,
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: looking at the Eagles by position and examining their depth.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: We are now onto Cornerback for this episode, and then
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: the next one will be Safety, and we'll have finished
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: after that completely going way inside the depth chart, giving
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: you all the intel that we've got.
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: By the way, should we in honor of Vic Fangio,
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: should we do Nickels? No?
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: I think I was gonna make a joke about that.
• 0:45
  Speaker 3: It's so funny. Cornerback he refuses to call. He always
• 0:50
  Speaker 3: cracks the reporters when they when they talk about corner
• 0:55
  Speaker 3: and when they'll say this guy's a corner goes, No,
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: he's a Nickel and he he He's explained it. And
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: Nichols is an inside player. It corners an outside player. Yeah,
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: and it took me a while to accept it, but
• 1:07
  Speaker 3: I get what he means. Yeah, though Cooper Desen could
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: play both.
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: He can. But for the purposes of this depth intel.
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: That we're gonna give in preview, right, you have to
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: admit the Eagles have behind him about three or four
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: guys who can practice and will practice and play both.
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: So we had to put him in.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: One episode and it's a really interesting look.
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  Speaker 2: So, Adam, this whole series has been about depth.
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: And before I go any further, I know people are
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: gonna notice it, so I'll just address it now.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: I am battling a little bit of a head cold.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: I'm fine, but as this podcast is going, as it
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: goes on, you.
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  Speaker 2: Will hear me get a little bit more horse.
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: I might lose my voice a little bit. Who knows,
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: Adam will take over. But if it sounds a little strange,
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: it's because.
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  Speaker 2: I'm battling something.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, Speaking of battles, we go back to cornerback here, Adam.
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  Speaker 1: This is an interesting spot because we said last year
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of high end talent Cooper, de Jean, Quinnon, Mitchell,
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  Speaker 1: but not a lot of depth. You know, they had
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: signed to Dori Jackson, their Kille Ringo is still on
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: the roster, and you somewhat have an interesting situation here
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  Speaker 1: with the signing of Rek willand gives you another.
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  Speaker 2: Guy who's can be a pretty good player, right you
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  Speaker 2: like your starters.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: He almost had the same depth situation, but the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: went and brought in a veteran for the first time
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  Speaker 1: in a while, a veteran to really compete to be
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  Speaker 1: a backup ian Jonathan Jones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So the way it's going to be is that
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of this position has been kind of dictated already.
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  Speaker 3: Mitchell's left corner will only be the right corner twelve
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  Speaker 3: and f million. They've already told you who's starting. He's starting,
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  Speaker 3: John and Jones is going to make two million fully
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  Speaker 3: guaranteed the season. He'll be the third corner most likely.
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: Now this is where it gets interesting. Well, they play
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  Speaker 3: Degene at all? You and I talked about this after
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  Speaker 3: the woman signing. Will they play Degene at right corner
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: and base? You know, I think they were that again.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: I expect him to well the same for the same
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  Speaker 1: reasons that Seattle did.
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  Speaker 2: Seattle didn't play him in base. They only played him
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  Speaker 2: they weren't.
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  Speaker 3: Paying him this kind of coin. It's a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: Fair. That's a really good point. That's fair.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're gonna it's a one year deal.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: You had to overpay to get him, and you're going to.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna be a.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: Nickel probably seventy five day percent of the time. So
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: not playing him in basse to me, doesn't look like
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  Speaker 1: a waste of money.
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  Speaker 2: Especially if he gives you not a waste by a
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  Speaker 2: topic a play.
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  Speaker 3: I get he's got to play. You just said it.
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  Speaker 3: He's got to play. H Let's put it this way.
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  Speaker 3: Wolne's going to play. He'll play the majority of the
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: snaps there, right, That's the first thing Cooper is. It's
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  Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, you could have Degene on bass downs.
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  Speaker 3: They don't play a lot of bass. You could have
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  Speaker 3: him in for Woolen. If that's what you want, you
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  Speaker 3: could certainly put him there, no question. Now I think
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  Speaker 3: it's I think it's really about I think to me
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  Speaker 3: it's actually twelve bly not twelve enough million. It's not
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  Speaker 3: an easy call. I think it's a little bit harder
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  Speaker 3: than last year. We had mentioned back in February of
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  Speaker 3: twenty five that the Gene will be a full time nickel.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't know about the because Vic didn't know that.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't know he was playing Cooper and bass, but
• 4:53
  Speaker 3: we knew that Degene was going to be their nickel.
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  Speaker 3: They were going to stick with that. And then we
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  Speaker 3: also noted we heard a couple of months ago that
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  Speaker 3: he was me their nickel again. But to me, it's
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  Speaker 3: to justify the contract. He's got to play majority of
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  Speaker 3: the STAPs, which he will. The only question would be
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  Speaker 3: for ten to fifteen of the game that they're in base,
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  Speaker 3: because you'd mentioned this a couple of months ago. Clearly
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  Speaker 3: the shine's more physical, like that's that's you know, that's
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  Speaker 3: that's true. But it's against the run. And this is
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  Speaker 3: where situation comes up. If they're playing an opponent that
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  Speaker 3: is a run based offense like eight forty nine ers
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  Speaker 3: or somebody like that, I think that's when you do it. Sure,
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  Speaker 3: that's when you that's when you absolutely do I think
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  Speaker 3: this year, to me, it should be more situational, not
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  Speaker 3: just okay, that's agree every Bay. I don't agree with that.
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: You're you're playing the Rams who are going to try
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  Speaker 1: to get you in base by putting all these tight
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  Speaker 1: ends on the field. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: they're still going to have Devontae Ada and Pukinnakua out there.
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  Speaker 1: And if you want to have if you want to
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  Speaker 1: respond to that in either nickel or if you do
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  Speaker 1: want to go base in certain situations.
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  Speaker 2: But have Wolan out there. I get it, even though Wollan.
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  Speaker 1: Did have his struggles last year against the Rams as
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  Speaker 1: we all we saw on both national TV and otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: I get that, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're playing the forty nine ers and you
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  Speaker 1: know that they're gonna be every twenty twenty one head
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, right, and they're gonna run a lot, then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense to have the gene out there.
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  Speaker 2: I think that does make sense. I would still say this.
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: The one thing one of the things we've learned about
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: Vic Fangio in his two years here is he does
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  Speaker 1: not care about your contract if you're not playing well.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I get that, well, no, but right, but on
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  Speaker 3: just overall to justify the contract the twelve million, he's
• 6:51
  Speaker 3: got a play a lot like that now by week
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  Speaker 3: eight if if if he's on playing well, okay, what
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  Speaker 3: are the choices as we move along here, Well, you've
• 6:59
  Speaker 3: got Nathan Jones. He was near the end of his career. Okay,
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: he's an older player who could play. He's more of
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: an outside corner, not the biggest guy that were under
• 7:09
  Speaker 3: five foot ten. But he's been in the league a
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  Speaker 3: long time. He's been he's a Super Bowl winner. Got's
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  Speaker 3: a good football player. He was with Washington last year.
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: He did have an injury, but he is. He turns
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: thirty three in September, which means you're thirty three in
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  Speaker 3: NFL years. That's the way the clubs look at him, right,
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, as you said, it's a little bit better depth,
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  Speaker 3: clearly because they were depending on a couple other players
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  Speaker 3: last year. It didn't work out, so now you go
• 7:37
  Speaker 3: for it. Here it's Jonathan Jones, It's Bennett Kraane Bennett,
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  Speaker 3: who they gave a two draft picks for. He couldn't
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: get the defense down, so they benched him. It's mac mcwims,
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  Speaker 3: who really didn't play last season.
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: Yep. One of the many guys who can play nickel
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  Speaker 2: or outside.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yeap. Macmickwilliams could do both. No, he was not
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  Speaker 3: cross trained and safety as we understand it. Ambry Thomas
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: is another forty nine er. And then you've got Ringo
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  Speaker 3: doesn't factor in a corner at all. He's just a
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  Speaker 3: special teams player. He doesn't even he counts as a corner,
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  Speaker 3: but he don in factor in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm almost I'm almost there.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give him the you know, he's got to get
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  Speaker 1: OTAs but to Cory and Bennett did not do anything
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  Speaker 1: to get himself in in good graces. And if you're
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  Speaker 1: only keeping five five corner Nichols or you know, and
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: you've got already got uh Quinna, Mitchell, Riquillan, Cooper, de Jean,
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones and your last spot of special teams, then
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: is it Bennett?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Ringo? Is it mcmilliams. I mean he becomes
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  Speaker 2: a really interesting conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've got Pastor Field another X forty nine
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  Speaker 3: or Penn Stater.
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: They got Michael Carter. We didn't mention Michael Carter because
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna want to be in.
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  Speaker 3: Nick He won't play corner. Who played Nickol. I hate
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  Speaker 3: to say it, but that's yeah, in Vicky's Yeah, he
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  Speaker 3: is not a corner. He's a nickel or he's a
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  Speaker 3: safety safety. So that's that's Uh. You're right, they've got
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: more players at corner. They got plenty of Nickels. They
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  Speaker 3: don't need any more nickels. They got there, they're out,
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  Speaker 3: They've got five of them, they don't need anymore. They
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  Speaker 3: got backups to the backup just can they find quality.
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  Speaker 3: Can they like, if Woolan's not playing well as you
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  Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, did Jonathan Jones still have it at thirty
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: two and three quarters years old? I mean, does he
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  Speaker 3: still have it? We have to see. They're paying them
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: two millions, so he's likely going to be on the roster.
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: They guaranteed all of it. Could Bennett show anything? I
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: mean they his thing was competitiveness and could run. But
• 9:40
  Speaker 3: the thing for him is not everyone's like CJ. Gordan Johnson,
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  Speaker 3: who could get traded before the season started and be
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: a great player like that to learn a new deal,
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: that's like, that's not reasonable. It's just not realistic. But
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  Speaker 3: he's getting to give Bennett now a full off season
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  Speaker 3: to see what he can do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're really awesome. So we have
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: to mention The thing with him is he's got to
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: be able to stay healthy. He came with that shoulder
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: issue and re injuring himself on the punt block or
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: my field goal block return touchdown against the Rams.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: Was out for a bit.
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  Speaker 1: That obviously hampered his ability to practice and learn and
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  Speaker 1: get familiar with the defense, and it.
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  Speaker 2: Just it wasn't gonna happen for him.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: You know, last year was almost comical, by the way,
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: with all the all the darts that Howie Roseman through.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, people have forgotten about jay R Alexander.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: That was a thing, you know, like that was a
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: thing and it was.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: About two weeks old, and I never thought it was
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: ever going to be a thing, but they clearly thought
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: it could be a thing, and it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Three practices and that was it.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: He wrote a really good essay that's out there if
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: you folks want to read it, just to.
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: See like a player's rebune thing. I didn't see.
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually really I didn't get I'm not finished
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: it because I was actually I was at a stop light.
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: I remember in our Patreon chat that he mentioned it
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: and I bookmarked on my phone and then an the
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: light chain tried to go but uh, he I'll read it,
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: I'll finish it. He's uh, he went through a lot, man.
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: I feel for him. Sure the thing was like we
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: had heard that he when they got him in, you know,
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: they checked out. He obviously passed the physical. He had
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: one good practice. Then he felt he started feeling it,
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: you know, there he's bad and uh, you know that's
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: a real thing that could happen. So yeah, look, they
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: too many dart throws last year. Is Jonathan Jones a
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: dart throw? No, he's a proven player, he's just older.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: Agree. I like the strategy. I like the thinking behind it.
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: It may not work out, but I like the Yeah.
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and you'll they'll see about Bennett and
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: Fhill of seas, They'll see about mcmick Williams any full
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: of season. Is he a corner? Is a nickel? Could
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: he do anything? You know, kind of contribute And then
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: you know the Nichols, Brandon Johnson's out there, could play
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: safety or nickel. We'll talk more about the safeties in
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: the next show. They got they gotta they have. It's
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: funny they have a lot of safeties. But that when
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: I say that, that will deserve a major explanation because
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: it's not what you think. Yeah, there's a lot of
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of movable parts with that one. But
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: I would say it's looking better, and I would say
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: that to finish it off. Rik Woollen and how he
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: plays is the major store here. And Vick is not
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: putting up with a lack of discipline, not gonna put
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: up with it. As you said, he'll sit hed him
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: care about money, right, It's great. I'm glad you brought
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: that up. I was only pointing out that from a
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: front office perspective, we didn't bring him in here for
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: the guy not to play. But as we learned with
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: Devin White, I don't care about your four and a
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: half million. You're not playing.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know last year. I mean he's just got hurt.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but even before he got heard, he
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't playing very much.
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, Yeah, yeah, he he he had
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: his role, right, Yeah, so yeah, we'll see. It's I
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: agree with you, it's looking better. But you'd like to
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: you would have liked to have addressed it. But we
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: we had had a feeling that they were not going
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: to draft anyone that they really think. Riqu will in
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: getting fresh start. Super Bowl winner, by the way, super
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: Bowl winner getting a fresh start, despite them making very
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: available the trade deadline. Several teams told us this he
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: was one of the corners that was out there and
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: they didn't get done. Whether Look, the Seahawks won a
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: super Bowl with a guy, you know, so yeah, guy's
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: got elite length. He's had one great season he's been
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: a steady regression. Like you said, he's on a one
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: year deal, proved deal with a lot of money, but
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: it's a proven deal in that if he doesn't play well,
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: he's going to be a journeyman. He's going to be
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: signing a vetteran minimum deal in the next year. That's
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: sure way to look at it.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty pretty nice on paper to say, hey,
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: our top three cornerbacks of all won Super Bowl, so
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: that's it's pretty good. You got Mitchell in Deseine with
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: the Eagles three years ago, and of course Bill in
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: last year, and so they've all played in big games.
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: They all have.
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing about the Eagles why they could be
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: even better.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Riek Walland has to be way better,
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Like he could just be the inconsistent guy of last year.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: That's still a better version than adri Jackson, who's also inconsistent.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: But the length, the size of him, with the.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: Physicality, the playmaking ability of the gene from the Nicolas spot,
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: with the overall just excellence in every fast of the
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: game of Quinnon Mitchell, I think you'd be hard pressed
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: to find a top three. I know the Broncos have
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: a very good top three also, but you know, you
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: look around the league, you're not gonna find too many
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: top three situations better than the Eagles at corner.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, and also just look the Vix also canna
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: do it whatever's best for the football team to win.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: He's been very clear it's not just a cliche. He
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: also has Degene. If Willan's not playing well, and I
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: hate to say this, but if Jones isn't playing well,
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: he's got the Coop Degene move. So he's got that too.
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  Speaker 3: So it's yet another corner that he he can use
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: instead of just playing at Nickels.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: That yeah, and and he now with Michael Carter, we'll
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: get into this in the next episode as well, with Macouba,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: with Carter, also Mick Williams.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: Who he can't. He has guys who can play.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Nickel that he could potentially be confident in depending on
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: what he sees if he needed to make them move
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: to Cooper, to Gene, to the outside or even the safety.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: But nonetheless he's got more hybrid guys. I think Matt
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: McWilliams is the guy Adam really looking at this situation
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: that has to do a better job of impressing his coaches.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: This was a fourth round, a fifth round pick last year. Yeah,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: that's not a chump. Changed pick.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: And he came with like four four speed, four to
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: three speed. It was I know, he ran really well.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: He's he's the guy that I'm looking at saying, you
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: got an opportunity here, kid, you gotta really, you know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: come with a good mindset and be ready to work
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna have an opportunity. See, he's a guy
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  Speaker 3: that and I would say coaches like you know how
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  Speaker 3: the way they feel when the guy doesn't dress. They
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  Speaker 3: didn't think he was ready. That's that's exactly what it was.
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  Speaker 3: So McWilliams to me, when you look at it, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he ran. He run as fast as you thought, but
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty close. He ran a four for one, which
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  Speaker 3: is really good.
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  Speaker 2: So he doesn't play.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't call him fast, but he moves well. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and you like the position versatility down His vert was
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  Speaker 3: thirty four with the combine. Here's where it's a little
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: bit of a problem. This is why club saw Moore
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  Speaker 3: of a nickel rather than the corner because he's he's
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  Speaker 3: five ten in a quarter, but arms are really short
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  Speaker 3: at twenty nine and seven a's hands are small to
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  Speaker 3: eight and three A. So that's that's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, he's a guy who came out of training
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  Speaker 1: camp early on, and we see this all the.
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  Speaker 2: Time from rookies especially, have a good first few days.
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  Speaker 2: He was a battler. I know, he gave some guys,
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  Speaker 2: especially in red zone drills. He was physical and he
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  Speaker 2: was good.
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  Speaker 1: And then as the camps went on, you started to
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  Speaker 1: see a little less and less and you get kind
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  Speaker 1: of dragged that malaise and he, just as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: didn't do enough to gain the confidence of Vic.
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  Speaker 2: And then you had Howie sitting there, going to get Bennett,
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  Speaker 2: going to get to get that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And Bennett's another guy.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's kind of I don't want to call it
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  Speaker 1: put up or shut up, but I mean, he obviously
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  Speaker 1: has to play really well to be on this fifty three.
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  Speaker 2: It's not guaranteed just because they traded for him last year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and so it might be the odd man out.
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  Speaker 3: As we've been saying on like almost every off season show,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: this is our ninth year of doing this thing, there
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: are gonna be some extremely tough decisions, which, well, let's
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: put it this way, on the service they are they
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: might not be once we get to the end of
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  Speaker 3: training camp where the guy don't if they got him
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  Speaker 3: before me, he's not on the team. But if if
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: these guys start coming on, it's gonna be hard. I
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  Speaker 3: mean I remember talking to UH teammate the NFC West
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: for a bunch of years and they would say that
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna have to wind up cutting or trading away
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  Speaker 3: the guy they like to keep because they think the
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: competition was so good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they like.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you hope that's on the surface, it could
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  Speaker 3: be Yep, there are a lot of backup jobs open
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  Speaker 3: that that that much is obvious.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the real fascinating guy to me is Ringo because
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  Speaker 1: we know that he's not in the plans to play
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  Speaker 1: on defense.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's been given opportunities, he has.
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  Speaker 1: Not seized them. He cannot do that yet has not
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  Speaker 1: shown it. But he's a very good special teamer and
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  Speaker 1: that's what usually you want from your last to one.
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  Speaker 3: Or making it. Yeah, he's making it somehow, and.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting because he's literally gonna make it just I
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: don't know ada because he'll got one.
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  Speaker 2: Year left, so I know, I know.
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  Speaker 1: But man, if you're very impressed with the special Teams
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: document of one of these other backup guys.
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  Speaker 3: Williams, he's a pro bawl kind of guy as a
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: special teams gunner.
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  Speaker 2: A very good special teamer.
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  Speaker 3: He's it's a fair point because again, soon we're going
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: to do our. Andrew did his check out, did his.
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  Speaker 3: But you and I will do our too soon, not
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  Speaker 3: so soon. Fifty three. Yeah, I'm telling you. When I
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: did a couple of weeks ago, I was like, I
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: have sixty. I don't know him getting fifty three? Is
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that because we haven't had haven't had any practices yet
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: so that we get a little bit of intel on
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: how guys are doing early. But this is a to
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: wrap this up. It's a better group on paper. It
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's going to be. You know, Mitchell's elite.
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  Speaker 3: He's If he's not elite, it's pretty close to it.
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  Speaker 3: He's stud a pro.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he's I think I think he's I don't know what.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what box he'd have lefted.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: the metrics are. I've seen some, but I haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: all of them.
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  Speaker 1: But I think when they started traveling him last year
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and then what Greg Cosell mentioned to me, is such
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a big thing as that they started to roll the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: safety away from him, even in one safety looks one
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: high set as he looks, So you're basically playing zero
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  Speaker 1: coverage right when the safety rolls to the other side
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  Speaker 1: of the field and you're a man i'n on one guy.
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  Speaker 1: That's supreme confidence. That's your coordinator saying, I think you're elite.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, because that was what we thought. We need
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: to see one thing, okay, the knock on him, but.
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  Speaker 2: The lack of interceptions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and by what we were told with him in
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Toledo is he had he had gloves for not the
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: right kind of gloves for hands on stick and gloves.
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  Speaker 3: He just would fight the football. He just didn't have
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: a knack for it. Picks, But it's the length, it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: the intelligence, it's competitiveness, character, coverage ability. I'll take all that.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I'll deal with the no picks, that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, he gets picks in the playoffs
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, so that's that's all that matters, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: didn't you have the picks in the playoffs?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? He well, he had, he had, yes, he fact is,
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  Speaker 3: it's really crazy he has four On your point, he
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: only's won in the regular season. We're in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, no, he is. He is none in the regular season. Right,
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  Speaker 3: he's one fumber recovery. I'm corrected, he has one fumber
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  Speaker 3: recovery in the regular season. But he has four picks
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  Speaker 3: at two in each twenty four and two and twenty five. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty remarkable and he's just I don't know. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: remember when we when we talked about Okay, Eagles thought
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: he was though he went to Tolida Worth being a
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  Speaker 3: first rounder. And obviously they've been right in a big way.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: But a lot of teams were worried about the level
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: that it wasn't so much the level of competition, didn't
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: really play man coverage right, and they weren't gonna they
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: just weren't going to take three practices at the Senior Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: But I think how He said it, they needed to
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: see him playing man coverage, just good, good firm what
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: they thought. Yep, and they did. And sometimes you get
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: folded senior ball while they were not. And you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: kudos to Howie's you don't always get it right, but
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  Speaker 3: that was one. Those first two picks are kind of legendary.
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  Speaker 3: So far.
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  Speaker 2: our look at the cornerback depth.
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  Speaker 1: We'll finish it off with safety and then after that
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  Speaker 1: we got some really good content lined up for the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: rest of the spring. Feels like summer lately, but rest
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  Speaker 1: of the spring, as we get into the summer, that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna do it.
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