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Episode 42, S2: Bubba and Ham Reflecting on the Summer Reset and Reapproaching the Card Market · The Sports Card CEO Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is happening in CEO community?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have big Matt and Bubba today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bring in the heat on a fresh new episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bubba was happening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: a 40-70 season and a season unlike any other and naturely baseball history from one of the Koenia Junior.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a drive-in right on the panel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Evan Carter, a season he is having.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He hits the show hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He hits the line of the left.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like Trump, that's right to hold on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so guys, my trout and listen to Sports Park CEO, his current Buffland hand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got no face today if you're watching live on YouTube here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just sitting here with no underwear on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No shirt on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a bag of popcorn with a lot of butter on it and it's stuck to my chest hairs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you needed to start with the episode with a mental image, I think you lost me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I missed the health gig.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm up 88 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm now weighing in at 423.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think our listeners have a image that they would not care to hold on to there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So actually what we need to do is that image that Adam created a view with the corn cob in your mouth with like the jacked overalls of the bone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Me just need to put that up and just as a still image.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: so so good they will do i'm i'm honestly i'm super glad for us to just be able to chat you know we'll kind of update the listeners here you and i really we we were in a flow earlier in the year we were doing the episodes every week and again current today is traveling he's got some stuff he's working on
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[SPEAKER_01]: He may or may not be in and around a baseball stadium just to hand for our listeners, but he's he's he's in transit today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So couldn't join us, but that said, yeah, but I miss hanging out with you, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So today's going to be a little bit of personal catch up, catch us up on your summer, etc.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll just kind of go from there, talk a little bit about the market.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know you've been dabbling from the outskirts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so excited to hear about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it'll be really valuable for our listeners just to kind of catch up on things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why don't you kind of kick us off, man, how's your your time away been?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I mean, I think it, I think honestly it had to happen for me, you know, I mean, we, we literally were home over the course of this summer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there was a stretch there for about 45 days where I was home for about 10 of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we were on the road, whether it be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: some sort of baseball tournament that we were traveling to or or another beach trip or another, you know, summer trip we were taking as a family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, honestly, that's kind of what our summers usually are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially our kids are younger and, you know, Jack just turned 13, which now is kind of scary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, because he's not longer a little boy at 13, you got a teenager.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, why they're young, you know, and and try to enjoy those things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We ended up buying a property up in South Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I maybe have mentioned it in the, uh, you know, before the summer began, um, so we did get to enjoy that multiple times and to buy a lake home up there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I to enjoy that, which was phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We love the lake was able to buy a boat and just been a lot of time on boats and jet skis up there and just,
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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of are in our time and but we're back at it school is school is started in session here in Georgia so we've got some normalcy back in our household where we're actually waking up at normal times and going to bed at normal times and so it kind of opens me back up to to have a normal routine which I'll miss the summer but I'm happy through the routine and but we're in full ball mode here which is in Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Baseball is a big deal, but football in the South is huge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But two of my boys are playing football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually coaching one of those teams and so I'm enjoying that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But from a card standpoint, update wise, obviously our business has been, I don't know how much you've been elaborating on that or not elaborating on that on on air.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I've been thrilled with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've had just tremendous success on that front.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been been fun to see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we everybody's kind of found the role I think in in our business.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, whenever you start a new business You've got, you know, you're kind of everybody's figuring out where they need to go and how it's gonna flow and operate and I feel like we've done that They're like we finally found a niche and we're forever body and I'm learning honestly Uh, no shame in in saying that I've had a learn kind of a new game since we've gotten a moment was has been my game, you know, and and so
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[SPEAKER_02]: With us not doing much bone and recently in our business, it's been learning about the Jordan market learning about the Brady market learning about just a whole new world That opened my eyes up and Honestly, I turned in to Big Matt Like you can imagine a 425 pound version with popboard on it just that's what I've become let me I think little Matt gets tired of me sounding like Big Matt these days Yeah, maybe I've become more Big Matt than he is
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, but when I say that, I say that in a good way, I think what I have found is this discipline in corpse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we can talk a lot about that this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think people will find that interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I use, I coined this phrase.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you've said it before on the air mat, I'm sorry, but I'm going to say it today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to flip a coin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if I flip a coin,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I win on one side heads or tails.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I win it says, in on the other side, I can't lose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of been the coined version of our business, finding deals like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Finding deals where you know you bought it right, you flip a coin, you can't lose, or you bought a card that you're gonna grade, and you know you bought it with enough security to be able to have that upside of a regrade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, I've really enjoyed this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've enjoyed that part of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am for the first time, probably in the last three to four months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Since I have a little time starting to creep back in, I have started to kind of update my own internal prospect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit on my phone, which may be for a fun episode ahead, to kind of share, you know, to take in three months off and kind of looking back at things now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a much condensed version.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like a kid that likes to walk into toys or us and touch every toy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to prospects,
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[SPEAKER_02]: but it's a new refined version of that for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My list is probably 2021-25 names, and I'm wanting to nail that list down to maybe 10 or 12.
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[SPEAKER_02]: guys that I really like and have fun prospecting on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's kind of a new refined version of me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you actually saw me, I was lying guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not 425 pounds with butter on my chest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sitting here with a pipe in the side of my mouth and in a very nice leather bound chair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Looking at lots of really, really big books because I've gotten a little more refined in my approach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: since I've been gone and so I hope I can share some of that with y'all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love it dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it's the Ron Burgundy version of, of Bubba Wilson here is Pappy, Pappy, Pappy, Vaughan, Bubba.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'll call you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pappy von Bubba will do I I would love to be sitting in that leather-bound chair looking at leather-bound books having a pipe with you That'd be Anna and a sip of bourbon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was funny It did national is talking to Raj and he says I'm as I gotta ask you about some bourbon stuff is because you know I've Mitch all the time about a I'm a sucker for a good bourbon, but I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, it's good to hear, good to hear your voice, and you know, a couple of things come to mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, you know, I'm sitting here and I'm just reeling you in, Baba, closer and closer to North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just trying to get you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got you in the Carolina's now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're just in the southern version.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to have to get you up north and just slowly, really, and pretty soon, the Wilson's are going to have him a property here in coastal North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to make it happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You did say you bought a boat, and so my question is, did you name the boat KG?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you name it Connor's, Connor's whip?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you name the boat?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you, did Connor Griffin buy you a boat, did you name it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just sell all I put is I'm on a I'm on a boat that's on the name and that's the stuff that's what's on the side of my boat But I didn't I didn't give it yeah, but I did get kind of my dream boat, which I'll just share that take 10 seconds You can kind of tell you what I bought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need up buying a Amara okay, it's got an Amara.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a try tune boat and I'll maybe I get a picture or something We can you know if I wish I could post it on the screen here where you could see it
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[SPEAKER_02]: it is a beast of about 425 horsepower engine on the back and it is a beast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even though it is a try to encode unquote it looks like a it looks like a speedboat and it is it is a sweet machine so been enjoying that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did he reminds me of the movie The Great Outdoors member with what's his name Dan Acroyd and when he buys the he goes and rents the jet boat and like the dad Candy's character wants to get the pontoon and Roman wants to get the jet boat
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember he gets the jet boat and he drags him across the dock when he's going to say that's Bubba Bubba is Roman Craig on the on the on the lake there in South Carolina just Wake boat knit out just blasting it did that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's funny?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a boat over the summer as well And mine's different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 23 foot center console and we have been absolutely loving it Just with the family man and you know waters always been something that I'd love be in on and around
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been getting out in the mornings when I came and we're in town and going and watching the sunrise and the ocean, which is like my favorite thing to do, using that time to do some devotional stuff personally, and y'all know I've got my nonprofit, so I've been doing some stuff there for that community and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's been a lot of fun and I've enjoyed the heck out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to kind of use the time to talk a little bit about the need for rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you were super busy as you travel and took some time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My question to you is, did you rest at all?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it restful for you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I wish I could report back that it was, but travel to me is not restful when you've got four kids, you know, in the car, and you've got to entertain people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, my wife and I did go there the last week of the summer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We did go away, and honestly, that was
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[SPEAKER_02]: phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was rest and a lot of other things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was just really, really, really enjoyable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We just had a nice time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had great dinners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a lot of conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I read.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She read.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were relaxed and then coming home from that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we both just felt like our batteries were charged to kind of get into the school season here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, to be able to get that rest was good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: The word rest, like the rest for me honestly is coming here in Georgia when the fall hits like mid-Optober footballs over Baseball is pretty much over and then there's this break between when basketball really kind of stars
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is when I rest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm at the farm pretty much every day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't be my rest is in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love, I love just being in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of like you like seeing ocean sun rises.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like seeing sunsets from the woods.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It feeds my soul.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and so we'll be doing a lot of that here coming ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, the next eight weeks is just about routine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and getting things done to be able to go take all the time we can as a family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Me and my boys spend a ton of time out there together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and when I get to that time, I don't want to have anything on my plate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I want to be able to go out there and just truly enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, no, I do think at some point, you know, whether it's this episode, I don't know what coming back in a day, we're catching up, but we'll love to talk about that deeper and rest in anxiety, because I think most men, and I think women too, when you get to or age, you've got kids, you've got the stresses of life, how real anxiety is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I do want to talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've dealt with some bounce of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I shared that on the show, back in December and January.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've learned a lot about myself this year through anxiety and how to cope with it and deal with it and how rest plays a part of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know and you know even if that rest that I said no, I didn't get any, knowing even throughout your work day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How to pace yourself on certain things to not have those flare ups day to day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we can dive on that hand-to-day if we want to at some point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a makes for an interesting conversation because
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to tell you right now, if you don't have anxiety, it all that means is you just don't know you do right now and in somebody told me that before years ago and I didn't believe them, but it's amazing how it's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One thing can set you off that edge of anxiety and not even know it's going to code there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so knowing how to handle it as it comes off, it's a very interesting topic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I brought that up because me again, a lot of our listeners, a lot of this community, you know, their, their high functioning high performing, you know, type A, stay busy, you know, to mean always thinking always looking to kind of move and shake and the need for rest is so dynamic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's something that I mean, I've,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've actually taught and led a retreat on rest, you know, so I understand the need for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a season in my life where I did a ton of resting, had to de-program myself from productivity, because my entire existence up in through my 30s was just about productivity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like your producer, your producer, your producer, your producer, go get it, go get it, go hustle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, that left me so stressed out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's on the tail end of kind of my own personal journey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I really sent this, spent the season of rest and understanding what rest is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's been good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now I'm not in a restful season per se, because it's busy and it's crazy and it's hectic and they're demands or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my mindset toward the day is much refined.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know to me and like I don't have the same level so if you know worries or you know concerns that I used to and so that's been really really helpful and I think time away is is so important and I think a lot of times when you get into the card business like we're in or whatever business it is it's like you feel like if you take time away from it
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[SPEAKER_01]: You feel guilty because you owe it to yourself, your family, your clients, and I think that's all a lie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, you know, our culture does not celebrate the concept of rest and enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, you know, I fall into my grave, I gave it everything I had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and we champion this mentality of like a buddy effort over everything right and I just don't believe that at all I don't believe that at all I want to have a peaceful centered you know approach to everything that I do and not operate out of a sense of lack or stress or worry and operate from a place of like abundance and fullness and health and well being and so anyway definitely something we can talk about
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[SPEAKER_01]: Either today, if we get into it or not, I mean, this is just kind of like a personal catch up or whatever, but I had something to do I wanted to share with our listeners, you know, a lot of our listeners have families and kids and stuff and when the people were stopping, it said the national, that's what they were saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love that you guys talk about cards, but I love it when you talk about like real life stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had one guy, Bubba, and I'm not gonna name him, but he said, listen guys, y'all talk about your faith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you and Bubba particularly, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I'm Buddhist,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I love when y'all talk about y'all's perspective because a lot of the common themes run through there with like, you know, gratitude and, you know, stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that was really interesting to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, man, you know, this gentleman's coming from an entirely different thought perspective, but he's not offended.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's not trying to be corrective and it's not trying to combat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just going, hey, I can take something from this, I can learn from this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This has mutually beneficial and he said you guys keep putting out content.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was massively empowering for me that that was something that was meaningful to somebody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so anyway, just to, you know, let you know that and all sorts of listeners know that, I think it matters because we can get so lost in the next deal, you know, the money, where's it going, what's happening and it's just high stress and sometimes it's just good to save what's actually real, what actually matters and what's more important than making a deal or making a dollar or whatever and I think some of this stuff is really at the core of who we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no doubt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As you were kind of talking there, I was writing down as we dove into this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll just might as well dive in on this topic because there's a lot to be said here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've learned a lot on this and what I've noticed is you can absolutely just run your nervous system now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, I mean, you depleted, imagine a fuel tank that is full or empty or run somewhere in between or running at a quarter tank, you can almost start feeling that tank either feel up one direction or the other with routes or nor a lack of and there's some things
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[SPEAKER_02]: That I have done as a way you know I haven't had the rest that I've had that I've done Consistently that I want to share that I've been great for me and so again on this show today If one person comes out of this show today and says man this helped my life in some way or that one nugget We always have said man if we've got one nugget on that episode It's gonna help somebody we've we've kind of done our job.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm
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[SPEAKER_02]: So here's some things that I wrote down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Number one is moving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daily movement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Our bodies were not meant to be confined to a desh chair or a Compiorate couch chair all day.
18:41
[SPEAKER_02]: They that's not what our bodies were meant to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Our bodies were not meant to be On phone calls from son up till sundown with narrow physical movement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just not I mean honestly That's just biologically that's not how we were intended
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[SPEAKER_02]: Our bodies were intended to be able to go out there and hunt and gather and produce and our minds obviously are as well, but we've become such more using our minds never get rest with phones and computers and Instagram and Facebook that you can just exhaust yourself mentally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so moving your body around just does something there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for me is prayer whenever I start prayer, start my day with prayer and I start in the word and I start with God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you this unequivably.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever I have done that there's never been a day that my day hasn't been better with prayer and that's a fact at any moment in time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Next thing I would put down is writing things down, journaling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, even for me or lightly, I felt like I've had so many things weighing me down, like that are in my head.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they're on the important, but I've just been journaling, writing, getting it out of my head, put it on paper and say, hey,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get out of my head.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're on paper now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can release this burden and it's amazing when you do that and I've gotten in a habit of doing it almost every day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just getting things out of my head.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Having a period of time where you're, you know, you get to think there's not all the noise of everything else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not a cell phone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just thinking time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The next one hit me the other day and I am.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you can relate to this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I found myself getting in a car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the majority of the time when I would get in the car, I would use that as like a a work time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to take this call.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to talk to this person or I got to catch up on this thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I found that I stopped listening to music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love music.
20:40
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I find that I just stopped listening to music and car rides.
20:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, you know what?
20:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Screw this.
20:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm turning on some jams.
20:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And guess what?
20:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt better.
20:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I imagine that.
20:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I had happy time.
20:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You're listening to Whitney Houston.
20:55
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why.
20:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, absolutely.
20:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, screaming is a lot of that could.
21:00
[SPEAKER_02]: So having that happy time that just taking that time for yourself and it's whether it's listening to the little music in the car or listening to the sports card CEO on your next ride set a call on somebody, just kind of disconnecting.
21:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
21:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the last one.
21:14
[SPEAKER_02]: This one might be as all of them are important, but this one is huge.
21:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I went ever, and I catch my wife on this one, I've caught myself on this one a million times.
21:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I've caught little Matt with this one last night, perspective.
21:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Perspective in life sometimes of how things could be or what they used to be and how far you have come.
21:39
[SPEAKER_02]: To me, like if you really, really want to, sometimes just put it all in check, is it could be poor pitiful me, this is going on or everything's going wrong.
21:51
[SPEAKER_02]: or we can look at it through the other.
21:52
[SPEAKER_02]: You're either a glass half four, a glass half empty.
21:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you choose to be the one that is looking at it with perspective, I promise you, your day will get better.
22:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and I'll use this one last night.
22:09
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Little Matt and I were talking about like, you know, he wanted to buy a specific card here at that.
22:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was kind of how the normal that we're doing.
22:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, well, man, I just, I don't have the cash yet to go and buy these big, big, old cards and do it.
22:23
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted to tell him in that moment, and I didn't, but he, he'll probably come back and listen to this message.
22:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Look how far he's come.
22:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Look how far you've come.
22:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Look how far I am house has come from the getting.
22:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I've known you guys for, you know, the last five years or so.
22:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And he and y'all have come so far.
22:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And in how far business has come,
22:43
[SPEAKER_02]: in a short period of time and even though we always want more and more and more in the world sometimes it's just like look.
22:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, look, look, look, look how well we are doing.
22:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Take it celebrating the wins.
22:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
22:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just share that mat, let you kind of... No, get the stuff up and up.
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: The little sub, my job as a speaker is a communicator.
23:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I sit here and I kind of bundle this up into a nice little package.
23:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that I heard you say this was, if you're looking to, you know, remove and deal with anxiety and rest or whatever you said, move, pray, write, think, listen,
23:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Move, pray, write, think, listen, and then have perspective.
23:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have, and have happy time.
23:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotta have the happy time.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure, like, so that was, that was super helpful.
23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And it, you know, all this stuff is hugely important.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: For folks, you know, it's funny.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to bring this into, I've got this card in front of me here.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is a V friends card, right?
23:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a little aside, but basically Gary V as a high functioning entrepreneur,
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: who was into collectibles.
23:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was like doodling in his journal and he drew like a picture of a, you know, a giraffe or something like that and he called it the grateful giraffe or something.
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had these characters in his mind that leveraged like,
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: good adjectives to live by, you know what I mean, the persistent panda or whatever, and they built a whole brand around this V friends cards and they're collectible.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of a hybrid between, you know, your sports collectibles and your gaming cards and again, I don't still understand the full extent of it.
24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But I will tell you that their presence from the National Fanatics Fest has grown every year.
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said this on a previous show, the way that their team treated my sons was first class.
24:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, first class, even a couple years ago, a Matthew interviewed Gary V at the National, he was so kind.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen him every year, giving him a half-five, done separate interviews.
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And this time, I wasn't really interested in interviewing him, but I walked up to the table, and I just looked at him, because he's actually commented on some of our posts and stuff.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just say, hey man, I just want to tell you to your face, thank you for the way that you treat my sons.
24:48
[SPEAKER_01]: and he was like, I really appreciate that.
24:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, man, I wanna champion that guy who is like doing something with the kids, this like really, you know, special.
24:58
[SPEAKER_01]: But this card here is called Calm Clam.
25:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And the competitive advantage of the Calm Clam is it says, she or he knows when to rest inside the show and when to come out and shine.
25:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, so fitting for what we're talking about today and the twins have actually done really well on V-Friends' cards since Fennatic's Fest and they've gotten into it a little bit.
25:16
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's been it's been fun to see a little side note to our listeners, you know, I've always connected with a little mat and the hobby, but I have four other kids.
25:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the burdens that I've carried over the last few years is the fact that a little mat and I had this special connection with the hobby and being on camera or whatever.
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't share that with my other kids and I'm trying to find that because it
25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've got five kids, five versions of yourself divided over five people.
25:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a high demand, and so I'm trying to be more intentional about taking my daughter's individually to breakfast or going on walks with my daughters or, you know, watching their their cheer performance or letting them perform, you know, whatever do their back flips and stuff.
25:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And then with the twins, they, they love whatnot.
26:01
[SPEAKER_01]: and probably for some of the wrong reasons, probably for some of the right reasons, just the way their brain is functioned.
26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we have actually partnered with whatnot and we're starting to run hamhouse sports, whatnot stream, which is basically the twins.
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And Matthew and I'll be behind him supporting them, but like, through they were at the national, like buying singles, you know, small, low end dollar box stuff to run on whatnot.
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, trying to buy some bulk stuff, you know, guys open a box and they're not really interested in anything but the autos are kind of buying some stuff out there and they're trying to run.
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've got their first show tonight.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And so in the name of kind of this idea of being where we're around it in holistic, like that's a portion of myself.
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give to the twins to celebrate something that they're about, you know, and this whole thing for him how sports when we go back to it, I did not want to do sports cards.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to coach and consult high-level business people and the Lord was so sincere when he spoke to me and he said, how could I trust you to teach somebody if you're not willing to teach your son?
27:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when we started, that was it.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just teaching my son what I knew about business, what I knew about relationships, what I knew about negotiation and all this different stuff and this is what's come of it.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's now the opportunity to go back and do something similar with the twins, which there's two of them in their very different personalities.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've got my work cut out for me, but nonetheless, a little aside note there, and the last thing I'll say about this Bubba, and then I'll talk a little bit about the market.
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for those of you with kids, I had a moment the other night because again, it's like, when you have kids in your busy, it's like, I want to get through the day.
27:38
[SPEAKER_01]: What do I need to do to get through the day?
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: What do I need to do to get through this season?
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: What do I need to do to get out of school?
27:43
[SPEAKER_01]: What do I need to do to get through the summer?
27:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is like, I got to get through this thing to get to the next moment.
27:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And Matthew turned 16 this week.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And he has his license.
27:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And so my wife and I were having this moment where she said, I don't know that I'm ready for the fact.
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: that, you know, Matthew's going to be on the move, and we set there and literally wept that we had a moment where all of our kids were in the house.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, man, what a special moment to realize that your whole family's together in your house, and it ain't going to be there forever.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And that you know this in your head, but when you sit down and let it go into your heart, and you go, my gosh, I'm so thankful that all my kids are here.
28:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was like, in the future, it might be a Christmas, they might have a girlfriend or a spouse, like the days when just the seven of us are in the house are coming to an end.
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I'm telling you, I was not the dad that appreciated that two years ago.
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, there's this maturation process that I've had where I'm just like, thank you for the fact that all my kids are home.
28:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't go without saying that like, take the time in your life to just pause and embrace the reality of what you have right now, because it's going to be gone.
29:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And there'll be something else you're chasing, something else you're worrying about.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's been kind of a similar mindset for me, but, and so, not to be like,
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, deep and sappy on the show, but like the thing I think we bring to the table but it's just authenticity and realness because we'll talk about the stuff that people don't normally talk about.
29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it matters and I think our community really, really thrives, you know, with this perspective and certainly we hope they do.
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So I appreciate you sharing dude and I know you well enough to know that we share a lot of the same sentiments and so I think all that stuff resonates very deeply right now.
29:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, now what I do want to hit only you just said, I mean, yeah, you, I mean, you actually nailed exactly what I had on my sheet to kind of wrap up this topic, which was slowing down time.
29:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Something happens when you turn 40.
29:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Something happens when your kid becomes a teenager.
29:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
29:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Something happens when your kid's about to drive when they're about to leave the house.
29:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Something happens our yard youngest daughter just started kindergarten and me a word of time go.
30:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
30:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell you, I struggle with that probably the most, as a father, just not wanting it to be over.
30:11
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's all my wife at the other day, like, this is the last time I'll coach my voice, you know, Jack and Walker, and you know, you get to these moments in life, and I'll just tell anybody that's listening, that has young children, that's the next way behind us, just take it all in, taking it all in, because it is
30:30
[SPEAKER_02]: and i can tell you there's no greater thing in my life i've i've always successful businesses i've done a lot of cool things and i've seen a lot of cool stuff i've done a lot of cool things but there's nothing cooler than than being a dad yeah yeah and i'll and i'll tell you that so i know we'll move from this happy stuff to baseball card stuff now but you know yes i'd every day i wish i could slow down time and because they're growing
30:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Amen, man.
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so Bubba transition now into this idea of being away from the market and watching the market from afar.
31:04
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've got my own thoughts we've been talking about those on the show here lately, but what is your biggest takeaway right now?
31:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Or what is your biggest thing you bring to the table after being away from the market a little bit, stepping back in, watching it from a distance?
31:17
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you really feel about the sports card industry and the sports card market right now?
31:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me start with this, I'm so happy that I'm off of Instagram.
31:29
[SPEAKER_02]: this standpoint of myself being on Instagram.
31:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I think from a standpoint of where the industry is at there, text, or having just relationships that shows and texting people and keeping your circle small of people that you trust and know in this industry is important.
31:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a lot of slimy people out there and there's a lot of people that do those slimy things.
31:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And so from my standpoint, I think that just keeping your circle small, finding there are a
31:57
[SPEAKER_02]: in this hobby.
31:58
[SPEAKER_02]: The finders people, you know, lean into those people, find, counted your, your, your crew, you know, that you're, that you're going to roll with in this thing.
32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't mean you can't do deals with other people, but we've, we've had our fair share, we've seen some fraud.
32:14
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, we've dealt with some fraud in this industry.
32:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're seeing from a far now, we're seeing a lot of moving parts right now where there's a lot of movement in cars together in and out group group money coming in and out.
32:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think this, I've gone back and forth on wondering where the card market was going to go, right?
32:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was going to go higher.
32:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was
32:44
[SPEAKER_02]: has done a phenomenal job bringing new people to this space and they can continue to.
32:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I gave that and read it.
32:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Where you look at ESPN headlines every two, three, four weeks and there's something in there about sports car.
32:59
[SPEAKER_02]: They've done a really good job of taking the media presence to that, bringing the athletes into it.
33:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we can
33:15
[SPEAKER_02]: environment.
33:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that I think it's changing.
33:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's getting more expensive.
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that the smaller cards, the people that are losing money on those smaller cards eventually will get out.
33:27
[SPEAKER_02]: The industry will eat them up and we'll cycle those people in and out.
33:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you're going to get to these people that are going to get to these rare items at some point and those items are going to be treated like or that's where my gut comes back in I feel that having something truly special is going to become more and more important than ever before.
33:59
[SPEAKER_02]: in between for several years because there's so much momentum you look at you know what you guys came back from with the fanatics fest there and the national and the amount of people that are interested from afar continues to grow so I think the market's going to say strong I really do
34:16
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's where my gut is that Bowman's specifically I'm a little concerned around this release.
34:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I I feel like Bowman 26 this motion recent release has gone a little inflated on a couple of these guys a little too long, you know, normally you have that initial up tick and then things go down.
34:37
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like the trading on that has gotten a little maybe out of control.
34:43
[SPEAKER_02]: The quality control has been very bad again, the grading.
34:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're seeing a lot of raw, raw, card, stay raw.
34:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
34:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I still gravitate back to Bowman from the sense that's where we started.
34:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I love and I love prospecting.
35:00
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think
35:01
[SPEAKER_02]: the key in somebody asked me this the other day like who's the next Connor Griffin?
35:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's the next Roman Anthony?
35:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if we knew that, I wouldn't be on the show, right?
35:10
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be be training on Wall Street, but here's the difference.
35:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Connor Griffin, oranges were trained at 1500 bucks, 1200 bucks.
35:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Roman Anthony was $6,700.
35:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Now these names people are on quicker, and there are three, four, five times with those prices were on some of these names.
35:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I do think that the play right now in my opinion in a lot of Bowman is doing your research in finding what I would call second tier guys that have the upside.
35:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Guys that are maybe not Edward and Thorntino, Eric Hartman, but have the ability to beat them or bear.
35:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, that's kind of where I'm at, and my flow on the market overall is,
35:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think there's some squarely stuff going on out there too, just from my opinion.
36:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's super, super interesting, like I said, when you start to kind of take a step back and you're like, wait a second, that guy knows that guy, that card to that card or whatever, you know, you kind of start to do some deduction and it's like, hmm, okay.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems pretty obvious to me, right, and you're looking around and it's like, is anybody out seeing this?
36:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's definitely a lot of that stuff going on.
36:29
[SPEAKER_01]: The amount of corporate money I've said this on the show, AdNazium.
36:32
[SPEAKER_01]: The amount of corporate money that's flooding into this hobby is just insane.
36:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say this is super interesting.
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a good good friend of ours, and his name is Jimmy Mayhan, and he owns roadshow cards, and they have shops in New York, Kentucky, I believe they have one could be wrong.
36:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's in Texas, California, maybe I can't remember, and then they have one internationally in Bolivia.
36:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jimmy has been a lifelong collector.
36:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he is a kid at heart, one of the nicest human beings you will ever meet.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a little bit older than me.
37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's one of the guys when we went to Kentucky.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He took us in a scar shop and he gave the boys some cards.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was a huge proponent of us getting into the sports card hobby years ago.
37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, his father is like an innovator of innovators, like has been on entrepreneur magazine cover, like he's a banking genius and has been for 20 years, one of the founders of online banking.
37:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And his father, Chip Mayhand, founded Live Oak Bank.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And many subsidiaries since then, it's just hugely successful.
37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had the opportunity to no chip, to meet with him super guy, just to family
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get tackled from my left hand side and it's Jimmy Mahan and his dad chipped Mahan and I was like
37:50
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing here, you know, and they had a meeting that Chip was fine in for whatever and it was great to see because it just kind of solidified the idea that there's a ton of curiosity around this hobby.
38:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I have it talked to them about that and like I said, protecting their kind of personal interest or whatever that is.
38:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was like wild to me because Chip had gone to the national few years ago when this whole thing was kind of ramping up.
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was back this time checking on it and it was just wild to me.
38:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, man, that's pretty interesting that this massively successful entrepreneur would come with his son to kind of check out what's going on because of what's happening in the industry.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And you see the presence of what not in these corporations and all this kind of stuff.
38:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, it was pretty wild.
38:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of made me feel like there even those folks that aren't in the game per se are looking from the outside and going, hey, what's that?
38:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's going on there, you know?
38:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And there is a massive demand for some of these rare assets now.
38:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's going to continue to increase.
38:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And as long as fanatics and the manufacturers can do a good job of allowing
39:02
[SPEAKER_01]: people to continue to have access to the lower in cards and trade or sell and move the lower in cards.
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be healthy.
39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a guy at the other day on Instagram, which I wholeheartedly agree with you, but Instagram is a dangerous place.
39:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I try to stay out of the mix, just say, hey, to our friends and comment and be grateful for those, but the people that want to kind of talk trash or whatever, just ignore them.
39:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But that said, I saw a guy basically.
39:29
[SPEAKER_01]: not arguing your complaining that he's like the demand in the hobby right now is not for the card the demand is for the transaction it's all about making money on the card and I'm sitting there going like yeah but that's not a bad thing because when you get people connected to
39:45
[SPEAKER_01]: it's like top golf, right?
39:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Top golf is probably not for true golfers.
39:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
39:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It's for people who kind of maybe are interested and it's a corporate thing and they're at top golf and they're hitting balls but they might go, that was actually fun.
40:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll go try golf.
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so much of the trading side of the hobby and the transacting and the flipping in the hobby, I do believe with everything in me that it will create some collectors.
40:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And you need that flipping thing going on because there's going to be a situation when people make money like I could promise you right now, Hamhouse Sports had we not started buying and selling cards, we would not own a single card.
40:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I only own cards in my PC because this hobby has allowed me the financial freedom to be able to buy those cards from my PC.
40:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that happens as a natural piece of people who are in the market transacting the market.
40:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't throw shade at the flippers because I do think it will build collectors and I think when we can find this like, you know, can't we all just get along when the collectors and the flippers can understand that they need each other, I think we start to go, wow, we've got something that's really cool.
41:05
[SPEAKER_02]: your spot on that.
41:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would not own a single card if I hadn't got back in four years ago as an investor.
41:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I got in only for one purpose and it was to come in and basically invest have like a set like a different different variety of investing other than in real estate and in stocks and companies and I saw an opportunity I felt like was unique.
41:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It has since then made me obviously a huge, huge fan of the prospecting game over the last four five years of already loved baseball, but now even taking it a step further, I've always told you, in that sense, I didn't ever put pictures like a picture of my cards over my bed, right?
41:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I always made fun of people like, oh, you know, I don't keep my cards over my bed and kiss
42:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I bought a car last night which is totally changing the direction of kind of who and what I, where I've gone.
42:08
[SPEAKER_02]: You're in the kiss that aren't you found a love.
42:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I found a love into, and I told Little Matt miss, that is kind of become my new idea.
42:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you guys were doing a little bit of this too, Little Matt said, I've decided that profits that I make going forward.
42:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is an interesting thought for anybody that may eventually get to this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't do this for a living, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't need, I could take it or leave it, right?
42:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do it for fun, but I do as an investment, where I try to make my money, make money, right?
42:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when I make money on said cards going forward, I'm not going to withdraw the money, I'm going to leave it in a piggy bank, and I'm going to find assets that I think are going to hold long-term value.
42:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And so for the first time, I've been kind of dabbling with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My and some baby roof on the side, my and little cards, my and some tie-cob, I bought some stuff kind of here there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've kind of been building this little collection last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went and bought the Babe Ruth 1933 Sport King PSA said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was a big transaction for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I texted Matt last night told I was going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I texted Justin, I texted a little Matt, and I took.
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[SPEAKER_02]: sixty thousand dollars of money the sports card is made for me not any other type of investment sports card had made me that sixty thousand dollars and i'm taking that car i'm gonna put it away
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[SPEAKER_02]: and I'm going to trade it like found money and I'm going to and it'll be an asset something that I enjoy, something that I believe is going to hold on term value, something that maybe my kids down the line are going to enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And look, I may as an investor in two years, I might pull that sucker out of the safe and sell it because it's worth 200 grand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
43:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but my point is when you start to look at cards,
44:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you look at this piggy bank mentality that the money you're making is found money and you reuse that.
44:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I'm taking the get a playbook from the math.
44:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Him game here.
44:13
[SPEAKER_02]: He always is like to say, hey, we had three blues.
44:17
[SPEAKER_02]: We kept one because of the profits we made on the other two.
44:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So we knew we were free rolling on it.
44:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's how I want to kind of roll, moving forward with PC cards.
44:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with PC cards that I really like, right?
44:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean, I could take that money and put it in the market.
44:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what do you got money in the market?
44:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I could go put it in real estate.
44:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what do you got in real estate?
44:37
[SPEAKER_02]: So why not put it in these assets that I think?
44:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Really are going through any up and down.
44:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not telling you that I can predict the future.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: The card market is going, let me mark my words here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Highlight these words.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The card market will have moments that goes down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It will, but I promise you assets that are rare and that are not going to be remade.
45:03
[SPEAKER_02]: That Ruth is almost a hundred years old and I want to restate this because again, y'all come to this show, hopefully we can bring value, I'll die on this hill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Babe Ruth value will continue to increase.
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[SPEAKER_02]: over time, over and over and over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are not making any more of his cards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His original cards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There will make any more.
45:30
[SPEAKER_02]: There will be no more.
45:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And Babe Ruth, little Matt said it last time we were talking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Babe Ruth is like taught in school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, kids know babe Ruth.
45:40
[SPEAKER_02]: They know the babe.
45:41
[SPEAKER_02]: They know the king of swat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They know the
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[SPEAKER_02]: is over-valued for that, what that's being said.
45:49
[SPEAKER_02]: People aren't going to know Mickey Mannell.
45:52
[SPEAKER_02]: They are not going to know Mickey Mannell's name, and I'll give you this example.
45:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I've said this for the show when I'm going to say it again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I bought a man's collection and Ham, you've been down there, you've been to the farm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I bought, did you go in the museum at all and walk in there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We wrote around, I'm towards the back where the barn is, but I didn't
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I bought this man's on my farm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I bought his collection, his whole life's collection.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to sell it when he sold the farm, so I bought it.
46:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And his collection was not cards.
46:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It was of Indian artifacts.
46:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It was all kinds of stuff, all kinds of classic older stuff.
46:29
[SPEAKER_02]: But he also had a classic car set.
46:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't really care about it because I'm not into classic cars, but he had four cars.
46:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the time, we walked over and he was putting a value on him and he looked at me and said, yeah, that course, that course, I think I paid 74, that one I paid 44, that one I paid 64, whatever, and he's like, I don't know why they're only worth 10,000 or 15,000 now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when I went to auction this stuff, I sold a lot of that stuff off because I just frankly didn't need it.
47:08
[SPEAKER_02]: the guy came out there and I'm using this analogy.
47:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get to the point in my story here in about 30 seconds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The guy looked at me and said, isn't it crazy that that car right there?
47:19
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like a model to hear something.
47:21
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, isn't it crazy that that car right there was worth like a hundred grand 20 years ago?
47:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, why is it only worth 15 now?
47:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He goes because all the people that knew and cared about it have died have
47:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And so what you've got that remains is just that 10% that's going to know who Mickey Mannell is right that 20% where in Babe Ruth the masses are always going to know who he is.
47:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm putting my flag down again and I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.
47:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Babe Ruth to me is the buy and vintage.
48:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
48:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard somebody say the other time, the other day, and it was not related to cards, but it said, you dot twice, you dot when you die, and you die when the last person that remembers you dies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was like, ooh, that hit a little bit deep, deeper than I expected.
48:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, man, like, that's humbling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That you'll die, and then everybody who remembers you will die.
48:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, that that speaks volumes to me about the kind of life you want to live the kind of legacy you want to live
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And you talk about these athletes and stuff like that, you know, we put them on these pedestals, but they die.
48:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And then ultimately, you know, nobody everybody who remembers them dies.
48:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's it's interesting because there are folks that have transcended that, you know, certain players, certain legacy type thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll love it.
49:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Redback 1915 Cracker Jack Shueless Joe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why is because of the freaking filtered dreams.
49:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that movie memorialized Shueless Joe Jackson.
49:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing, the sandlot memorialized Babe Ruth.
49:24
[SPEAKER_01]: you know you've got these when when athletes transcend into entertainment and you've got little like movies that are that are made around these kind of characters or whatever like now you're starting to talk about okay that's going to transcend generations because these movies are you know the mean they're they're made and they're remembered and they the person get spoken of or whatever and that's where you get like
49:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Your Ted Williams or your Willie Mays or Manels and stuff like they don't quite have that same level of like, you know, prestige.
49:56
[SPEAKER_01]: What's already happened to Ted Williams on for a year.
49:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've been talking about him for years.
50:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been new goals the same way.
50:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, in Williams man, like dude, Ted Williams is a baseball player, holy freaking cow dude.
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and to give three years of his life up, like, you know, or whatever it was to the war, and then come back and win a triple crown MVP after, like, holy cow, as it nuts.
50:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, somebody who I think is on that train right now that I've kind of started to dabble into.
50:24
[SPEAKER_01]: is no one Ryan.
50:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually purchased no one Ryan's like first solo card of the 1969 tops.
50:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I found it in an eight and a half and I bought it as show and did somebody offer me like 1500 or what I paid because I just was like, I didn't realize how rare it was in the grade.
50:42
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy had graded it and I bought it and somebody offered me on it and I sold it and I was like, oh, I want that back.
50:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need it in an eight and a half because it's like pretty valuable, but I'm going to get it in a seven and I don't know why I picked a seven, but I went and started acquiring Nolan Ryan's his his early year run in a PSA or excuse me, not PSA, SGC seven to create consistency uniformity.
51:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm missing right now, the I don't have the rookie.
51:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a price $7,000 in our card, $6,000 in our card.
51:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty expensive.
51:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm
51:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I need the 71 and the 73 and then after the 73, I think I'm going to let it ride.
51:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to like a first five year no one Ryan run and a really good eye copy, you know, SGC7 because I think no one Ryan's kind of like one of those guys to me.
51:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He has sentimental value.
51:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that he'll be remembered forever.
51:35
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's a strikeout king.
51:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a legacy that lasted, you know, for many, many, many years in the bigs.
51:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And so these are the kinds of things that are fun for me that that adds some level of like passion to just the buying and selling and transacting.
51:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
51:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think, Bubba, what you're going to start to see in the hobby is people like us who've gotten in and we've made some money.
51:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We like it.
51:59
[SPEAKER_01]: The passion thing is going to kick in and it's like, dude, you know what?
52:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to freaking own a tie cop.
52:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to own a babe Ruth.
52:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I got one of each on my shelf right now.
52:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to Ted Williams.
52:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to know and Ryan, whatever it is, that kind of stuff I think is going to keep some really solid values in these these vintage guards.
52:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think there's any doubt.
52:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll think of a step further on the babe thing when this beaker value of card.
52:22
[SPEAKER_02]: People can kind of tune this one a bit.
52:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Think about what we talked about dying the second time.
52:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a phenomenal analogy there.
52:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is, I've had actually that thought before sitting at my farm, because we've got a cemetery on our farm.
52:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you see the people that own that land 200 years ago,
52:42
[SPEAKER_02]: and their family hasn't been out, there's been nobody visit those graves and hundreds of years.
52:47
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's a pretty, you know what I mean?
52:49
[SPEAKER_02]: The last person that knew them, the only person that's looked them up was probably me who found out that the man ran the newspaper in the city, the big city down the road, 10 miles down the road, hit that was him and his whole family, you know, bearing on that farm.
53:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, getting back in the sports card part of this,
53:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be very difficult for someone like Manel, who was not even the best player on that team of all time.
53:17
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Yankees, for example, people are going to buy it, I'm a Braves fan.
53:22
[SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be Braves fans forever, right?
53:24
[SPEAKER_02]: As long as they're a team in an organization, who is going to be the number one selling best Braves player all time.
53:32
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's up for, that's up for interpretation.
53:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's the best or world?
53:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it Cal Ripkin?
53:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it Brooks Robinson?
53:38
[SPEAKER_02]: You see what I'm saying?
53:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So are there guys that are going to be split because those fan bases are always going to profit up?
53:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So do I say Mickey Manel goes to zero?
53:47
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
53:48
[SPEAKER_02]: But Mickey Manel is being traded right now, like he is the best player of all time.
53:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you look at Michael Jordan for that and basketball, I think there's an argument that he probably is.
53:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
53:59
[SPEAKER_02]: You see what I'm saying?
54:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's already starting to trade like that.
54:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be interesting.
54:05
[SPEAKER_02]: You look at a guy like the Braun who even though LeBron, I think the LeBron's value is down compared to Pro.
54:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's actually a really good long-term buy because of the basketball player he is.
54:17
[SPEAKER_02]: People don't like LeBron James.
54:19
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people don't like him.
54:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
54:21
[SPEAKER_02]: In 50 to 70 years, no one will have known him.
54:25
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll just know how good a basketball player he was.
54:28
[SPEAKER_02]: you know what I mean for because he's now the leading score right all top yeah that doesn't go away um so you know and so i think that's uh interesting way to think about cards
54:39
[SPEAKER_02]: when you think about 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years, if these are heirloom cards, if you know what I mean?
54:46
[SPEAKER_01]: No, for sure.
54:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think those are the kind of conversations that matter and add, it's tremendous amount of value.
54:52
[SPEAKER_01]: For somebody who's in the hobby, getting in the hobby, looking for value or whatever, we've got a good buddy of ours, Jeff Hopkins, and we saw him at the national, like he only deals in vintage, and he does really, really well.
55:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of stays in his lane and he knows it and he said one of the things he told me he said, man, for the most part I buy and sell the same 250 cards, you know.
55:13
[SPEAKER_01]: which was pretty fascinating to think about, you know.
55:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And he comes across some bangers, you know.
55:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And it gives you the opportunity when you see one that's like, truly like, okay, this one's different, you know.
55:26
[SPEAKER_01]: This one's cut different.
55:27
[SPEAKER_01]: The eye appeal on this one is different.
55:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we all have those kind of cards in our story that we go, man, that probably shouldn't have been one that I got rid of, you know.
55:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how little Matt and I feel about the star Jordan right now.
55:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a part of our story.
55:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that we sold a six and a half when it was 13,000 dollars and now it's doing 110.
55:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't even, my brain can't wrap itself around it.
55:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I look at the one on our shelf right now and I'm so tempted because I'm like capital, capital, capital.
55:58
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm fighting it because I'm like, no, don't get lost entirely on the capital side of it.
56:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about the story that this talks about about your family.
56:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You
56:13
[SPEAKER_01]: how cards kind of redeemed your relationship with your son.
56:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about how this vehicle was what was used to really do something special in your family.
56:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And for that purpose, it's like, I let go of the logic and you hang on to some emotion.
56:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And so a healthy balance between the two, I think, is good, is good.
56:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you're all business and you could care less, you're robotic.
56:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're all passionate and all about the sentimental value, you're never going to really make any money.
56:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to have a little bit of both.
56:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But we got to wrap up because we're coming to our top and this was just a great catchup man for me and you I really think our listeners are going to get a ton of value from it just two guys you know similar kind of thoughts and seasons alive chatting about how all the stuff matters to us I appreciate you buddy.
56:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
56:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got it.
56:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I got another topic.
56:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to keep in the tool back here because I was ready.
57:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I was so fired up man.
57:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been I've been off now.
57:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I got all these ideas.
57:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I got another topic in the tool bag that will go save for the next time, but I'll always find man to be back on.
57:12
[SPEAKER_02]: It opens the mind up every time I'm on the show and I want to say this before and I said it before and I want to say it again.
57:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I've learned a lot from you and I've learned a lot from current you know over the last year year and a half on this show and
57:29
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's when you've got two people that you do a show with like this, you learn a lot about what they're going through, you learn what you're going through in your own life and how you can apply those things in your life and I have to say and I'll say this out loud again like, you know, both of y'all have made me better in cars.
57:47
[SPEAKER_02]: You made me better in this business and, you know, that's part of it too.
57:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll leave everybody in the show with that.
57:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
57:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe 50% of y'all on this show or like, hey, I'm a collector.
57:59
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm not a, I'm not really in this thing for for money and maybe the other 50% are saying, hey, I'm, I'm in this for a side hustle, but I like cards and I like sports, but at the end of the day, you always are wanting to get better at whatever you're doing because then I've said this before whether you're a collector or it's a business.
58:19
[SPEAKER_02]: nobody wants to lose money.
58:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't care.
58:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what anybody says like that's the true nobody.
58:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And so always when you're doing it be, I thought I've had it right before.
58:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been close minded in things in my own business and in cards and I can I can I can tell you all the wrong ways to do this because I've done it.
58:38
[SPEAKER_02]: But to open my eyes up again and kind of continue to learn
58:44
[SPEAKER_02]: through this show, it truly does make you better when you keep your mind open.
58:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure, man.
58:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the feeling's mutual, man.
58:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great, and it's just a good refresher for the daily routine in the daily grass.
58:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Bob, I appreciate you, man.
59:00
[SPEAKER_01]: To our listeners, we appreciate the heck out of you guys.
59:02
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have any thoughts you want to add, again, eight, eight, eight, pod, CEOs, give us a call, leave us a message.
59:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Check out the sportscartsceo.com for any updates there.
59:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got more coming down the pipe, man.
59:13
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got some interviews we're working on.
59:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got some guests.
59:16
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got some topical content.
59:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Getting the boys and get the band back together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we appreciate you guys.
59:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see you next week on the Sports Park CEEE.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace and be here.