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Can Sound Frequencies Change Your Brain? | Lynne McTaggart · The James Granstrom Podcast - Super Soul Model series

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  SPEAKER_01: What if sound is shaping your life in ways you never even imagined?
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  SPEAKER_01: This week I'm joined by international best-selling author Lynn McTaggart to explore her fascinating new book, The God Notes, and what they could mean for your health, your relationships, and how you experience the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: What if there's far more to the sounds around us than we realise?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm delighted to welcome back to the podcast one of the world's leading voices in consciousness, intention, and the new science, Lynn McTaggart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lynn is the award-winning author of eight books, including The International Bestsellers, The Field, The Intention Experiment, The Bond, and The Power of Eight, and her latest book, which is a must-read, which is The God Notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her work has explored some fascinating questions around consciousness, intention, healing, and the interconnectedness of human beings.
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  SPEAKER_01: And her intention experiments have brought people together from all over the world to explore what intention can actually do.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's also appeared in numerous documentaries, including What the Bleep Do We Know, and even in inspiration for Dan Brown's book, The Lost Symbol.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Lynn, it's wonderful to have you back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's great to be here with you, James.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think we spoke last year and it was around Thanksgiving.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I know you've spent decades exploring consciousness, intention, and our connection to one another.
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  SPEAKER_01: What made you write this new book, The God Notes, and what's it all about?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, James, I was minding my own business.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was sitting there one evening with my husband Brian, and we were watching a documentary called Did Darwin Kill God?
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was a very even-handed exploration, looking at one side, which is the neo-Darwinists.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, uh, there is no such thing as God.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are just a genetic mistake, more or less.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the other side, which is of, you know, the religious right, so to speak.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they were being even-handed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Toward the end of the documentary, on came a Cambridge scientist called Simon Conway Morris, a well-known paleobiologist who studies, you know, old bones and works out how evolution works.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he said, as a passing remark, you know, he was arguing for the idea that different species come about because of individual species determinations of the right and the best kind of solution.
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  SPEAKER_00: For instance, an octopus has a camera eye, and so does a human being.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in the course of saying that, he was saying, well, you know, take music, for instance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Animals have music just like human beings.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have drumming, they have melody, they have harmony, they have all of these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's across the species.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that arguably says that sound and music may be pre-existing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if so, we've only begun to understand who we are and why we're here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I just fell off my chair when he said that and went, universal music, universal music.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I started collecting information about music and sound and how important it is to the creation of the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what I discovered basically is unlike Stephen Pinker's comment, that sound is no more than auditory cheesecake sound and music, I found that sound and music are central.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not made of matter, we're made of music.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a beautiful way of seeing things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And even the word universe is if you break it down, uni means one in Latin and verse means song.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we are essentially one song when we're looking at this greater cosmos externally as universe, or maybe as some biologists call it, like the universe within.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's have a little look at this title, The God Notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: That can rub people up the wrong way a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about this, this title and why it's so important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really fought for this title, I have to tell you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the reason I used it had to do with how I started the book, which was a discovery of the late Robert John, a professor of engineering, the dean of engineering at Princeton University.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I had written about him much before, about his work on a long 25-year study of mind over machine, mind over matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he probably had the most scholarly study about the power of intention.
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  SPEAKER_00: But toward the end of his career, he was on vacation and on holiday, and he was at some Native American runes, a ruin site, a very reconstructed site.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's there with his partner Brenda Dunn and some friends, and they were sitting in the reconstructed kiva that had that was truly reconstructed from a thousand-year-old structure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's listening to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember, he's an engineer, and he starts hearing certain notes getting much, much louder, reverberating through the entire room, in fact, affecting people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he got curious about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he said, hmm, I wonder if they did that on purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because he knew, as an engineer and a physicist, that those sounds are created when sound waves bounce off opposite walls, come together, and create what is called a standing wave.
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  SPEAKER_00: The wave gets much bigger and it the signal gets much stronger.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he wondered if that was deliberate.
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  SPEAKER_00: So his par his friend there, Paul Devereaux, who was an expert in ancient structures, invited him and Brenda to come to Great Britain to go through all of these ancient structures, a whole bunch of them, and to test them acoustically.
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  SPEAKER_00: So John brought along some equipment.
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  SPEAKER_00: They went to six different structures that were supposed to be burial sites from people from four to six thousand years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he worked on them acoustically, played different sounds to see which ones would resonate the most.
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  SPEAKER_00: And to his astonishment, pretty much all six resonated to or about to 110 hertz.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's an A, an octave below the A that's just below middle C.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a baritone can sing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now he then went home amazed by this, because these were different size structures built at different times.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some were round, some were oval, some were in the shape of a cross.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just a quick question, like the kiva, because when when someone hears the word sound kiva, a lot of people might not know that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Could you just explain what that is?
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: A kiva is a Native American ritual room.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it was just a square room or a rectangular room, and it was you had to walk a few steps below uh the ground to get there.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was the one that they went to in New Mexico.
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  SPEAKER_00: But these other structures are what are called cairns and barrows in Britain, and they were thought to be just burial sites, but it's now evident that they were also ritual sites for all kinds of ancient rituals.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, we don't know exactly what they were.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember, these are four to six thousand years old, but it's now evident that they knew what they were doing with sound.
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  SPEAKER_00: They had a sophisticated knowledge of acoustics, and here's why.
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  SPEAKER_00: When John got back to Princeton, he asked an associate of his, Ian Cook, who was a psychiatrist and neuroscientist at UCLA, to test 110 Hertz on a batch of people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he carried out a study playing this and measuring the brain waves of the participants in this study when they heard this sound.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what happened was astonishing.
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  SPEAKER_00: All activity on the left side of the brain tended to cease, and what happened is all activity went over to the right side of the brain almost as though a switch had been pulled.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, as according to Paul Devereaux.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this was an indication that the people listening to this went into some sort of altered state, a state where the right side of the brain, the part of the brain involved in dreaming and imagination, in altered states, um was activated.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because of the 110 hertz.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because of the 110 hertz.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I experienced for this for myself, as did my husband Brian, a year ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: We went with an acoustics, an uh archaeoacoustics expert called uh Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paolo de Bertulis and a team member of his.
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  SPEAKER_00: We went to a bunch of ancient sites that were 6,400 years old in Sardinia.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we played the uh both De Bertulis and my husband, who's a good baritone, sang a note at about 110 hertz, and we felt the whole structure reverberate hugely.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's incredible.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was amazing, and we started feeling like whoo, we were we were going into essentially a kind of mystical state ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can hear the sound and everything reverberating around you, but what was happening internally?
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  SPEAKER_01: Did you feel like a buzz or a tingling within you as well?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And almost uh and Brian, who was doing the singings, felt like he felt like he was going to go into a completely altered state in a few minutes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something big was happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that because he was singing, do you think, rather than listening?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it a difference between someone actually singing the note or just listening?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, is there is there a difference?
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  SPEAKER_00: We haven't tested that, but his reaction was very strong, as was Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: DeBertulis, but so was ours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Me and the few other people who were inside listening to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We also discovered, and scientists, archaeoacoustics experts have found this ever since.
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  SPEAKER_00: They've gone to a lot of different structures in Malta.
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  SPEAKER_00: I write about one there, in numerous ones around Italy, and they've found that in a lot of these structures, they carved out almost like um like little circular cutouts in the walls.
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  SPEAKER_00: And those are the kinds of things that are used by acoustical places, concert halls like Carnegie Hall, to amplify the sound.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's clear these ancient peoples understood that something about these certain notes helped people to experience a sense of the divine, and that's why I called them God notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, is there one God note or are there many god notes?
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  SPEAKER_00: There are many god notes, and there are many bad notes too, and that was part of the book.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, there are certain notes that scientists and who are also sound healers who are working in that area have tested to find that they're very good for helping with ADHD or helping to heal your back or helping to make plants grow.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's particular notes that make certain plants grow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Corn likes one sound, wheat likes another.
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  SPEAKER_00: Most plants like a particular sound.
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  SPEAKER_00: And interestingly enough, it's the very same note that chases away agricultural pests.
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  SPEAKER_01: How fascinating is that I mean, so before we even spoke on this podcast, you said this has been a real labor of love.
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  SPEAKER_01: How much information have you been wowed and amazed at putting this book together?
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  SPEAKER_00: Every single chapter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Every single chapter.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did not expect to find out what I found out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I have taken the reader along with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think the book also registers a bit of my sense of amazement and awe as I'm going through it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I hope it will inspire the same feeling in the reader because to find that certain plants, we've all heard that plants, you know, sing to your plants, talk to them, et cetera, play them Mozart.
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  SPEAKER_00: But these were scientists putting great big loudspeakers in agricultural fields and playing certain notes and finding that they would increase the plant yield, the the whatever the vegetable or fruit yield by 20, 30 percent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then being able to sell that to market, what was the quality of the food like?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, better.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were huge considering GMO agriculture, you could be thinking things could thrive in a different way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, the one of the people who did a lot of research into this was somebody who was working on sustainability and making trying to make food more plentiful at a cheaper way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the to then discover wow, this is also chasing away insects.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we can make food more plentiful, maybe we don't need pesticides.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, just that idea alone, pesticides are really poisonous.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was just one of the wows.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you said, okay, what other sounds are dognosed?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I want to tell you about one of the scientists I interviewed who is a psychologist, and he was working, and he's also a musician.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is a kind of frequent overlap in a lot of the people that I talked to.
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  SPEAKER_00: And remember, I decided to only talk to scientists or people who had science behind some of the work that they were doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't want this to be a book that had a lot of woo-woo in it, even though the implications are hugely woo-woo.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I wanted to prove all of this.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I stuck to all of the science that was hiding in plain sight from Cambridge and Oxford and MIT and UCLA and Harvard and Yale, etc.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I want to tell you about John Boyer, who is a psychologist.
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  SPEAKER_00: And years ago, he was working in Bellevue Hospital, a psychiatric hospital in New York City.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he was in a lab that had an anechoic chamber.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, what that is, is a chamber that is totally soundproof to the extent where you can hear some of your bodily systems.
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  SPEAKER_00: For instance, believe it or not, in that kind of chamber, you can hear your nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_00: It usually goes with a little hum.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is this a chamber he developed or was it something that was already it's well known and it was there when he got there?
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  SPEAKER_00: So he he had worked with one of his professors, was talking about how you can hear your nervous system and how you can do it in this kind of a chamber.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when he was presented with one, he thought, Oh, I think I'm gonna just take notes about my nervous system every day if his if the sound changes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So one day he gets out of the subway, and as he's getting out, he ends up having an argument with the subway token taker.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this was some years ago when they had such a thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was disturbing to him when he got to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: He realized he was a bit upset, so he decided to just go in that chamber.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when he went in and sat down, his usual thing of trying to listen to his nervous system, he heard that it was making almost like a little screechy noise.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he was completely freaked out by that.
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  SPEAKER_00: He said, Wow, I must have been really affected by that argument.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he rushes down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember, he's a musician too.
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  SPEAKER_00: He rushes down to the music store that was just below the hospital, and he goes in there and he gets a set of tuning forks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because what occurs to him is, maybe if I play a certain chord to myself, it'll calm me down.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the chord he chose was C and G.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is called a perfect fifth.
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  SPEAKER_00: C, middle C and G is four white notes up, and it goes like this.
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  SPEAKER_00: He played the two together, and he played it for about five minutes or so, and then noticed his nervous system had completely calmed down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he started thinking about this and thinking, maybe I could use this on some of my psychiatric patients.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he started using it because it was a hospital, a lot of the people were inmates there, and he a lot of them had suffered from insomnia.
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  SPEAKER_00: He would walk along the wards doing this, and they would all go to sleep like babies.
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  SPEAKER_01: How long would he do this for?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what how long, you know, walking up and down to be able to create these this perfect fit?
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need long.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he would do it depending on, he would probably react to the people who were in the beds there, but he didn't have to do it long.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, when he started teaching his private patients to use this for anxiety, for depression, and other things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Other, remember, he's a psychologist, so there were people suffering from mental challenges.
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  SPEAKER_00: He found people could be calmed down with this note or these two notes, or just a few others in a few sessions.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's just fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been I've been studying sound for all my life because I love music, and I came across a lot of your work with the field, and then I came across how the body has an electrical field around it, and I bought myself a tuning fork as well, and I use it around my plants, and they always thriving.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a bunch of orchids that seem to work well, but I've noticed it's particularly good at calming you down.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, and it wasn't necessarily something I thought about, but when you listen to music, it can soothe you.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when I went deeper, and obviously with your book, The God Notes, and looking into how certain frequencies we respond differently, I noticed that there's just such this beautiful correlation with everything, which is fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as much as you want to keep it on the ground and be scientific, it's just still like amazing is a superlative that couldn't be used enough, really, because it's absolutely everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's absolutely everywhere, and that was the thing that blew my mind the most is to find also the unity of it, because I found all kinds of things, for instance, our relationships, our musical.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, there were scientists who started to study and film couples or families talking, and they recognize very quickly that the people around someone, particularly if they're in a relationship, begin to react rhythmically to the person speaking.
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  SPEAKER_00: They nod, they blink, they move their hands in time to the person's voice, and it's all one big beautiful dance.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then you start looking at animals.
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  SPEAKER_00: Animals, what I was fascinated to learn was not just about birds and how they use sounds for of as a password for their flock, or they teach little birds to sing with scales and all kinds of things, just like we teach our children to speak.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, but and also they have the same beat frequency that human beings do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this what do you mean by beat frequency?
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  SPEAKER_01: You I mean with the they
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  SPEAKER_00: Prefer a certain beat, ideal beat frequency.
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  SPEAKER_00: For instance, these this team of scientists in Japan played a whole bunch of songs to rats.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then they measured how what what were they bopping their heads most to?
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: And believe it or not, they loved Lady Lady Gaga.
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  SPEAKER_00: They loved Queen another.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that they'll be thrilled to hear that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they loved, you know, they loved Mozart.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the point was the thing that they loved the most, that they were bopping their heads to were the same songs that we tap our feet to.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can hear.
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  SPEAKER_00: They actually speak.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can't hear it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when they're upset or distressed, they start making popping sounds that when they're amplified and the frequency raised, it sounds like popcorn popping.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's when they're distressed.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't have enough water.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's too dry here.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the unity of all of it, and that, as you say, is the big woo-woo piece.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, we are absolutely imbued with Darwinian evolution.
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  SPEAKER_00: The idea that everything happened according to essentially survival of the fittest, a genetic mistake.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are essentially just an accident of nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you start studying sound, you see the utter perfection of the universe, that this is a there's a deep unity underlying everything, from ourselves to the sounds that the sun and black holes make.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you start seeing this carrying through everywhere, you understand this was no accident.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is intelligent design here, there is extraordinary design here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, as you say, that's the biggest I woo-woo idea of all.
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  SPEAKER_01: Reading the book, there was something that really, really fascinated me, which was a story about a guy who goes into the Great Pyramid in Giza.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think this story just needs to be shared, and I think the audience will really love this, and how this like certain tones and frequencies and music can affect us.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this story I would love for you to share.
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  SPEAKER_01: Could you just expand on this story a little bit?
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: The fellow's name is John Stuart Reed.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's an acoustic engineer and a scientist.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he and his father were just mad Egyptologists.
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  SPEAKER_00: They just, for as a hobby, traveled to Egypt all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And since both of them were engineers, the reason they went was trying to figure out how on earth they built the pyramids.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: And they would go back and they would look at the perfection of these pyramids and think about how old they were and what were the tools they were using.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was their original question.
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  SPEAKER_00: But John was always fascinated by music.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they went in once and he found, he started just toning up the scale, and he found that at a certain note, when they were in the king's chamber doing this, the little apex of the of the Great Pyramid of Giza, where the king's uh Khufu, I think his name was, his uh sarcophagus is.
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  SPEAKER_00: While they did that, when they hit a certain note, he could see that the sarcophagus started rattling, it started shaking.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: A bit like Indiana Jones sort of thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It was, it was.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he came back a few times.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the final time he came, he wanted to do tests.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he essentially um purchased the time to be in there by himself.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: You can do that with that pyramid.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: So he is, he's in there, but before he went, he had sustained a terrible back injury.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he was lifting too much, and he really strained his back, and it was spasming, and it was in terrible pain.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: He couldn't even carry the equipment that he wanted to use for his experiment, but he was determined to go anyway.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: He went, he's in there, he's playing certain notes, and before that, the antiquities um manager who was there with him was doing all the work because he couldn't bend over.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: And suddenly he realizes while he's engrossed in this study, that his back doesn't hurt him anymore, that he's just bent down normally.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he thought, well, it's just because I'm elated about this and the pain will come back.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: But it didn't later, it didn't that night, and it never did.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: So the extraordinary thing about it was he discovered a particular note that was a resonant note, that Goldilocks note that he knew about before that he discovered before was a power note, and so that caused John to come back and start studying.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if that happens, what other sounds affect affect us?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Was it one note that he played?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Was it one tone that he played?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then he was able to the tone there.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Remember a lot of times the resonant frequency, the one that makes things shake, that affects you the most, depends on the structure because it depends on those standing waves.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, in his instance, it was 117 hertz.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: So that had a lot to do with the structure of the pyramid.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas the other ones were, even though they were different structures, the peoples that created them understood that that was an important note and essentially must have built the structures in order to create that resonant effect.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the shape, the size of the space makes a lot of difference in terms of what note becomes the most resonant one that affects us.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then, of course, our bodies have certain frequencies we like the most.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it requires a lot of knowledge to know that and to understand what is good.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: So what we heard with 110 hertz was a note that puts us into a transcendent state, makes us feel closer to the divine.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: What he felt was a healing note.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: And there are certain notes that are better for one thing and better for another, and other notes that are really bad for us.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: It makes sense.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like a certain note will give you a certain feeling.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Suddenly the piano comes in, suddenly that they're gonna make you feel differently, right?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Now, here's another thing that will probably surprise people.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're all very concerned about climate change, but one unfortunate thing is that one bad sound is wind farms, wind turbines, because they have a sound below our capacity to hear that is very upsetting to the human body.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: It causes insomnia, it can cause headaches, it causes bad gut, it causes all kinds of things.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: There have been studies about it.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Problem is the equipment that they are using to gauge the safety of some of this equipment isn't the most sophisticated one they could use.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: If they did, they would find that some of those frequencies are not good for us.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we have them in in in nature too.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's the thing called the Santa Ana winds in California and Le Mistrel in France.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: They are winds that happen every year, and all the residents there know that people go a little crazy with these winds.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: Thought it was the winds themselves.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they don't even allow some of the children to stay in school because they know they're not going to listen, they're not going to stay in their seats.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: And Raymond Chandler, the famous crime writer, said of the Santa Ana's, when the Santa Ana's blow, every little housewife picks up a knife and starts staring at her husband's neck.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Which is a funny little way of putting it.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but people do get deeply affected, and we now know that it's not the winds themselves that's doing it, it's the sound below our capacity to hear.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: So good notes and bad notes.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, how if some of those wind farms are out in the ocean, how's that affecting creatures in the ocean?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Is that affecting creatures in the ocean?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's the question.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, certain scientists are worried about that because they're thinking, well, they can hear even more than we can.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because sound travels through water, doesn't it?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: Massively.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: And their capacity to hear goes much, you know, we have a certain bandwidth that we can hear between 20 hertz and 20,000 Hertz, basically.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Other animals have a wider bandwidth.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: So if they can hear it, what is that doing to them?
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they've found that with certain with sounds like that, it's sending whole populations of whales away.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're rushing away, they're leaving their homeland because it's so disturbing.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, we have to be much more conscious of the noises we're making.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Even though trying to do good for the environment, we have to be really mindful about in which way we're doing that.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's an incredible story in your book, and I really like this, and I think people would be maybe aware of it, but it was about called a sonic blast, I think it was called.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about that.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: You mean um the when they used it, it was supposedly to get people out of the building.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: So um what they've done is um, believe it or not, um, numerous organizations have used sound to chase people away.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: So in this case, it was a Cuban embassy, and all of the residents in the M embassy started complaining of weird illnesses, really weird uh systemic stuff, where they were getting headaches, they were getting insomnia, they were having all kinds of problems.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: And the authorities dismissed it, and they finally discovered that this was actually an act of, you know, essentially warfare, that it was created by, I believe it was the Russians, were doing this to get the Americans out, and that's happened.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: They've used sonic warfare numerous times.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's been explored in many regards.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was even used with the Occupy movement on Wall Street.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, this is we react badly to certain sounds, and the thing is, we are exquisitely sensitive to certain sounds.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's not just that we like them or they entertain us, but they have huge effects, and this is science that has discovered this on our immune system, on our gut, on our genes, as to whether or not things get up or down regulated.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I I've got a little question for you, James.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's been a study of red blood cells, and numerous studies of blood cells.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: And red blood cells have a problem, they don't live too long.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so this team of scientists, and this one of them was John Stuart Reed, wanted to find out which music red blood cells likes the most.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: And is there any music that helps them live longer?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, guess.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Mozart.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Mozart was the supposed to create intelligence for kids with a Mozart effect music, but my guess is probably not.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was more soothing.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right, absolutely, and it wasn't even Beethoven's, you know, Ode to Joy, that fantastic piece of music.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Body liked it, cells liked it, but they didn't live all that much longer.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: What made them live a lot longer, much, much longer, was something like a techno music with a low woman's voice.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Think of share in believe, the song Believe, that driving beat.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: That seemed to really help.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it's good that I listen to dance music, then, isn't it?
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because I appreciate that.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: You betcha.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: I um I don't go out to to to clubs often anymore.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: I used to when I was a kid and I thought it was really fun.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: But if I do go out now to to a place or a party, I will stay so long as the music's good.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: But if the music isn't good, I'm gone.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's so smart because certain music really does affect us badly.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it affects other things in our body.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: For instance, cancer.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this was the most fascinating thing for me.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, cancer cells hate Beethoven's fifth.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: They died listening to cancer's cells.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is something great to know.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my golly, right?
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: They died with Beethoven's fifth.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they hated the da-da-da-da.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: They don't like irregular beats, they didn't like atonal music, like uh the music you hear you heard in 2001.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: That is Leghetti's atmospheres.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: And they really don't like heavy metal, which is so interesting, too.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um and our bodies, our bodies react differently to different music, too.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so many parts of the body react to it.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: And one of my one of the most fascinated pieces, fascinating pieces was a team of scientists who looked at um rat cells and they exposed them to certain notes.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: And guess which notes reacted the most to one particular note?
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: They really hated it.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Fat cells.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: So this is like great news.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: We maybe we don't need Wegovy and all of those, you know, all of those uh dietary injections.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we just need to listen to certain sounds.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I um, you know, there's a a show or a movie of Star Trek years ago, and I remember them coming from the future going back into 1980s Star Trek, and um Dr.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Spock and all his team, and Scotty had all gone back into the Star Trek, and they they're in the 1980s, and they were saying, Your technology is so old.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, We're using light and we're using sound.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: And this was something like you know, put in a movie 40 years ago, and they were saying we're coming from the future, and they're talking about light and they're talking about sound.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: And this book, The God Notes, is just a grounded version of looking at the magic that surrounds us all the time.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: And there is a topic that I think that a lot of people really want to feel like they can bring control back into is what type of sound do I need to have, Lynn, in my life that maybe I'm not doing?
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: And in all your research of this labor of love that you put together in the last 15 years of putting this book together, what sounds have you started to bring into your life?
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: And what would you say?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: A real simple one.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: And also, of course, certain classical music that I always loved anyway.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: And now I understand why I love it.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: What type of classical music?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is good, because someone listening or tuning in could go, right, if that's happening and good for Lynn, she's done her research, I'm gonna read the book and I'm gonna listen as well.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Beethoven's fifth.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: If it's killing cancer cells, wonderful.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wonder I've never had cancer, but I don't want to have it.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna listen to things like that that it doesn't like.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's made me aware that um there are ways to heal serious diseases.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: For instance, um, scientists have discovered very high sounds, even above fetal ultrasound, are now being used to kill cancer.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: They've found that what happens with it is cancer is like a thief in the night.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: It it uh turns off the burglary alarm system and then runs riot through the house.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's how it works.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: It it turns off, well, it doesn't allow the immune system to see it.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: The immune system can't see it, so it doesn't do anything, and that's how it runs riot.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: But with these high sounds, they open up the outer layer of the cancer cell, enabling the immune system to recognize it, and it goes in there and kills it itself with very minimal side effects.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: So they have absolute, they have actually approved this thing, which is called histotripsy, for certain kinds of cancer.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: Liver cancer.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: Jeremy Clarkson, our famous farmer over here who's on Clarkson's farm, has had prostate cancer and it was eliminated through histotripsy.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Totally back in business.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I would look to things like that in my life, starting to use sound more.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: I would look to certain sound frequencies that are good for particular things.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: A chiropractic, uh chiropractor-turned sound healer called Dr.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: Jeffrey Thompson has used sound for many decades to heal children, to heal women's problems.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: He has helped to heal children of ADHD, helped to improve children with autism, helped to heal children with things like epilepsy.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: He had one little kid.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: He had to walk around with a helmet on his head because his parents were so worried he was hurting his head all the time with his epileptic fits.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: They heard about Dr.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Thompson, went to see him, and he burned them a CD that he said, you play this to him.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: And they did, and he said, play it X number of times every day.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: They did, and little boys, 20 fits a day, went down to 15, went down to 10, went down to 5, and then were completely healed.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say people should start investigating not just the sounds that are ambient around them, not just the sounds that they can play to help their plants and animals thrive, but also the sounds that can heal them and their loved ones, because it's a powerful, powerful modality.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: And what we never understand is that it's not just our ears that are listening.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: All of the cells of our body are listening, including our immune system.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: So they are not just ambient, nice thing to have around the house.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: They we need to be really conscious of what we're listening to and hearing.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Lynn, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and this insight of this new book.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: And this book is an absolute must read.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Lynn will take you on a scientific adventure through through the universe and through sound, and it's a fascinating book.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: I absolutely love reading it, and I know you guys listening and watching will do too.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know you've got an event or a few events coming up.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about what's coming up at the moment.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: I um I have a book tour happening in mid-November, and I will be in uh Santa Monica in LA on the 15th, on the 17th, Phoenix, on the 19th, Austin, Texas, and on the 21st, um, New York City, New York.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: It it uh the Center for Ethical Living, I think it's called.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: All of that information is on the events page of my website.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm really excited because I'm going to be teaching people much more about how to use sound in their lives.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I should also say, James, that I'm having a free event on November 7th.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: For anyone who purchases my book beforehand, you just have to put proof of purchase and you can come to my free webinar where I'm going to also teach people to start using the God Notes and which some of the ones that are really, really the most powerful.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Just to talk about that free webinar is uh you sign up on my website, lynnmctaggard.com.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll have the link right there for you.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Just in closing, Lynn, what one thing have you learned from the God Notes that has just absolutely made the way you look at life differently?
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I think the thing that made the biggest difference was finding out that Alan Turing, the famous British mathematician who uh cracked the Enigma code and helped to save the war for the West against the Nazis, had come up with a mathematical equation that is now called Turing's Patterns.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: And it is a simple equation that describes all kinds of harmonic patterns in the world, repeating patterns that happen in the world, harmonic patterns they're called.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Everything from how a zebra's stripes get made to crime hot spots, these are all harmonic patterns.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: But also, the thing that absolutely blew my mind was work from Celen Atazoy, a doctor at Oxford University, who discovered the brain operates similarly.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: The patterns in the brain are harmonic patterns, and do you know what?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: They can be described by the very same mathematical equation.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now, that to me was extraordinary because I suddenly realized there is a single musical key to the universe, and what that says is just as I was saying before, we're not a random accident.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is a beautiful, intelligent design.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're part of one giant intergalactic sonic superorganism, and that should give us all hope and an understanding that we're not lonely people on a lonely planet in a lonely universe.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: We are part of a greater whole, and we can live better when we live according to this giant connection.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: How beautifully said.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much, Lynn.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's been an absolute pleasure speaking with you.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: This week's super soul model is Lynn McTaggart.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, James.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much for tuning in.
• 46:47
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• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: Every little bit that you do actually helps grow this community.
• 46:56
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• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time, wishing you a wonderful week ahead and green lights all the way.