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43 - The Lost Colony of Roanoke · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 1: You're thinking, quite your jubber drabber in fact me, in
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  Speaker 1: fact you, I will. But first we're got to get
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  Speaker 1: our source on. Our sources are The Secret Token, Myth
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  Speaker 1: Obsession and the Search for the Lost.
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  Speaker 2: Colony of Roanoke by Andrew Lawler, The Lost Colony of Roanoke,
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  Speaker 2: New Perspectives by Brandon Fulham, Romanooke, The Abandoned Colony by
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  Speaker 2: Karen or Dahal Kopperman, Roanoke Island, The Beginnings of English
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  Speaker 2: America by David Stick.
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  Speaker 2: Then let's begin.
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  Speaker 1: The Lost Colony of roano one of history's greatest mysteries,
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  Speaker 1: a mystery history, if you will, where an entire British
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  Speaker 1: colony just vanished into thin air, and for years, decades,
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  Speaker 1: centuries even, people were left scratching their heads, questioned and confused, bamboozled,
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  Speaker 1: filled with theories and conspiracies, never knowing what could possibly
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  Speaker 1: have happened to the lost Colony of Roanoke. Except all
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  Speaker 1: the information is actually there, and in a shock in
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  Speaker 1: turn of events, it's not actually that mysterious at all.
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  Speaker 1: Oh fuck no, So let's get into this, shall we.
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  Speaker 1: It all started in fifteen seventy eight when Quent Elizabeth
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  Speaker 1: the First grants this charter to Sir Humphrey Gilbert so
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  Speaker 1: that he can explore and colonize territories and the name
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  Speaker 1: of Queen Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, Gilbert was in Bess's good graces.
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  Speaker 1: Because he had helped to crush the first of the
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  Speaker 1: Desmond Rebellions in Ireland, and so she was like, you're
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  Speaker 1: a good fella.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a charter of if you go
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  Speaker 2: go explore and spread my power. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: That being said, the charter is actually like quite fucking vague,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's deliberate.
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  Speaker 3: But like Humphrey Humphrey, Gilbert Humphrey, it's such an English name.
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  Speaker 3: It's probably the most English name ever, Humphrey. Humphrey was like, cool,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go search.
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  Speaker 2: The new world. That's my thing.
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  Speaker 1: Basically above Spanish, Florida was good because you know, if
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  Speaker 1: it had already been claimed by like another Christian, that
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  Speaker 1: was a no go area, that was a no touchy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's very Eurocentric, but it's the fifteen hundreds,
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  Speaker 1: so what do we expect. So but unfortunately, eh, or
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  Speaker 1: fortunately who's to say.
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  Speaker 3: Humphrey Humphrey passes away, he dies, and the charter gets
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  Speaker 3: split between his brother Adam Adam Gilbert and his half.
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  Speaker 2: Brother, Sir Walter Raleigh, who as we know, is the
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  Speaker 2: Queen's absolute five. So Adrian's got one half, Walter's got
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  Speaker 2: the other. Super awesome. So what this charter says is
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  Speaker 2: that if Rally doesn't colonize somewhere by fifteen ninety one,
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  Speaker 2: he loses all rights to colonizations. And this was fifteen eighty.
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  Speaker 1: Four, so it's like, you've got seven years to do
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  Speaker 1: the thing, and if you don't do the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck you.
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  Speaker 1: It's seven years fair for establishing a colony. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: especially when transatlantic is not exactly an easy journey, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was to quote unquote.
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  Speaker 2: Discover, search, find out and view such remote heathen and
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  Speaker 2: barbarous lands countries and territories to have hold, occupy, and enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: So like one of the things they wanted him to
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  Speaker 1: do was like a colony, used it as a base
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe set up a bunch of privateers and
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  Speaker 1: get them to go steel ship from Spanish colonies and
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  Speaker 1: the things that are bringing on.
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  Speaker 2: Their stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But because Rally was the Queen's again absolute faith, he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't actually go and do the colonizing himself. He wasn't
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  Speaker 1: allowed to go out and venture forth. He had to
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  Speaker 1: stay by the Queen's side. That was his duty.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I have to stay here and be relatively safe.
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  Speaker 2: How terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Oh oh no, you had to stay there and be
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  Speaker 4: terribly safe while still receiving all the power, wealth and
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  Speaker 4: accolades that go with serving your queen.
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  Speaker 2: Super fun, super fun for you. Love this journey for you.
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  Speaker 2: So basically he does what any good manager does.
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  Speaker 1: He did like eight, he sends people out to go
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  Speaker 1: venture forth and find somewhere fun to go. So in
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  Speaker 1: fifteen eighty four he sends fourth an expedition and they
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  Speaker 1: discover Roanoke Island and they're like, this is sweet.
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  Speaker 2: The Croatan who are nearby, the tribe, they're pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: They go, this is fantastic. This is a great location
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  Speaker 2: close to local amenities and.
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  Speaker 1: A great school catchment, you know what I mean. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, this is fucking awesome. This is where we
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  Speaker 1: need to be. So they're like, okay, we're gonna head
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  Speaker 1: back to England. But they don't want to go empty handed,
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  Speaker 1: so they bring two.
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  Speaker 2: Native people with them who have already like encountered like
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  Speaker 2: European explorers before. They're not they're not new to the game.
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  Speaker 1: So they decided to bring back with them two new
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  Speaker 1: bodies they made on the way, one.
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  Speaker 2: From the second Tan tribe and one from the Croatan tribe.
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  Speaker 2: So they come back and they're like, yeah, the land
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  Speaker 2: is great. We're awesome. We're so bountiful. We're effectively the
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  Speaker 2: garden of Eden Yai Yadi. I feel like they were
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  Speaker 2: coached into this. Lea bit se queen bess.
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  Speaker 1: She is well impressed by this, and she's like, fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Raley, he gets a knighthood. She basically knights him the
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  Speaker 2: knight Lord and Governor of Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: So he gets the colony of Virginia. In fifteen eighty five,
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  Speaker 1: a fleet of seven ships sails from Plymouth.
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  Speaker 2: Basically a bunch of ship goes wrong.
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  Speaker 1: One of the ships get separated, they have to rebuild
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  Speaker 1: another ship one of the Milans.
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  Speaker 2: Too early, they get attacked by Spain.
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  Speaker 1: The fleet ends up attacking too Spanish ships and adds
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  Speaker 1: them to the fleet as well, so swings aroundabouts in it.
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  Speaker 1: So they have the ship called the Tiger. So it's
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  Speaker 1: sailing through this weet inlet. Right, tiger hits a show.
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  Speaker 2: And the Tiger gets fucking wrecked. It's all damaged. The
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  Speaker 2: majority of their food is destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like putting the majority of the food in
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  Speaker 1: one ship was really a bad idea because they've lost
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  Speaker 1: so much food and other fucking supplies. The amount of
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  Speaker 1: colonists that they originally play to settle there because they
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  Speaker 1: didn't have enough food and stuff for them, which wasn't
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  Speaker 1: an option. Instead of leaving this so many hundred that
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  Speaker 1: they were gonna leave, only a hundred are actually gonna
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  Speaker 1: stay on Roanoke.
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  Speaker 2: So they're supposed to get.
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  Speaker 1: Supplies and stuff sent to them and og fleet it
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  Speaker 1: fucks back off to England.
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  Speaker 2: With like we're gonna send you stuff, all right, I promise.
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  Speaker 2: So effectively, things do not go well.
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  Speaker 1: They run out of food, they run out of provisions,
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  Speaker 1: they end up relying on all these tribes for help
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  Speaker 1: a little bit too much, and because of their you know,
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  Speaker 1: superiority complex, they end up like fighting with them, which
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  Speaker 1: probably not a good idea when they are like your
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  Speaker 1: only hope for survival. So basically they're starving, they've lost
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  Speaker 1: their allies and they're fucked. Oh and I almost forgot disease.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of disease. The English colonists they brought fucking disease.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the description of the illness. It's been muttled
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  Speaker 1: down to like either flu in, fluenza or smallpox, so
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  Speaker 1: one of those two things. So they're starving, they're struggling,
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  Speaker 1: and they're just done at this point, and luckily enough,
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  Speaker 1: Sir Francis Drake shows up. He's on his way back
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  Speaker 1: to England and he pops by. He's like, hey, ah,
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  Speaker 1: oh shit, things are bad here. So he leaves them
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  Speaker 1: some supplies. So he leaves them like four months of
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  Speaker 1: supplies and a ship and in a case of things
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  Speaker 1: get bad to fucking worse, a storm comes and sweeps
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  Speaker 1: the ship out to sea.
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  Speaker 2: And they're shipless again. And because of this unfortunate series
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  Speaker 2: of events the colony, they decide to just evacuate. They
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  Speaker 2: want to get the hell at a dodge. So here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing as well. It wasn't just colonists that were
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  Speaker 2: there at this point.
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  Speaker 1: There were slaves and refugees, but there is no documentation
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  Speaker 1: about what happened to them. But there's no documentation that
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  Speaker 1: suggests that they actually ended up in England.
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  Speaker 2: The colonists, yes, Drake brought them back.
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  Speaker 1: He's like fine, So that means that these people were
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  Speaker 1: just abandoned in this colony, maybe or maybe not with
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  Speaker 1: the four months of provisions that were previously promised to
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  Speaker 1: the laying colony, which is incredibly dark but not at
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  Speaker 1: all unsurprising. So Drake, he's evacuating this colony right. A
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  Speaker 1: couple of days later, one single solitary supply ship lands
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  Speaker 1: on Roanok, sent by Rally. The crew come ashore, they
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  Speaker 1: have we look around. They can't find any colonists.
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  Speaker 2: So they just leave. Two weeks later is when the
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  Speaker 2: relief fleet finally arrives with a full years worth of
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  Speaker 2: supplies and a reinforcement of four hundred men.
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  Speaker 1: So they have a look around. But they're actually smart
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  Speaker 1: enough to chat to some native people there. They explained that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the colony.
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  Speaker 2: Just fucked off. They left, so in order to ensure
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  Speaker 2: that Walter Raley still had a claim on the island,
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  Speaker 2: basically fifteen to twenty men were left behind. So they
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  Speaker 2: left fifteen men to just go, you know, keep the
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  Speaker 2: claim on the island, to have an English present.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, those fifteen men were then attacked by mainland native
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  Speaker 1: tribes with wooden swords and flaming arrows.
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  Speaker 2: Two of them get killed straight away.
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  Speaker 1: The thirteen surviving men get on a boat just start
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  Speaker 1: rowing away. So they get in their boat and they
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  Speaker 1: flee towards a Spanish colony and they're never seen again.
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  Speaker 1: So the original colony of the Lane Colony, it was
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  Speaker 1: just men.
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  Speaker 2: And even though the Lane Colony had fucking deserted, Rowan
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  Speaker 2: Oak Rally was conveniently persuaded by investors to go colonizes again.
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  Speaker 1: Sure why not, so yeah, because it was deserted, and
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  Speaker 1: they were like, okay, well we didn't really get on
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  Speaker 1: very well with the second time.
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  Speaker 2: Last time we were there maybe not a good idea
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  Speaker 2: to go back. So the investors going to go to
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  Speaker 2: like Chesapeake Bay and you know, a bit further afield.
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  Speaker 2: They're thinking it might be.
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  Speaker 1: Easier because they want to like explore further into what
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  Speaker 1: they called Virginia Territory. Fifteen eighty seven, Rally approves a
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  Speaker 1: corporate charter.
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  Speaker 2: The city of Rally. A ha, ha ha. Somebody's having
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  Speaker 2: a good time. So the next.
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  Speaker 1: Expedition goes out and it's very different to the first one.
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  Speaker 1: So the first one it had like an organized military force,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it had that. This time the colony consisted
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  Speaker 1: of one hundred and fifteen people give or take, including
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  Speaker 1: women and children because it was just men before. And
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  Speaker 1: this includes the pregnant eleanor Dare. So like these colonists, they.
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  Speaker 2: Are mainly like middle class.
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  Speaker 1: Londoners, So they're hoping if they go out there, they
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  Speaker 1: can get a wee bit of prestige. We butit a land,
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  Speaker 1: they can become part of the gentry, landed gentry and
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  Speaker 1: basically raise their status somewhat.
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  Speaker 2: Or maybe they just wanted to be out of fucking London.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe they just wanted a peaceful, more cottage core
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  Speaker 1: life anyway, So unlike you know, the seven ship fleet
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  Speaker 1: that went before, this is just three. So they anchored
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  Speaker 1: Crowto And Island in July fifteen eighty seven.
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  Speaker 2: So initially they were supposed to go up to Chesapeake Bay,
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  Speaker 2: but for whatever reason, they were all told to just
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  Speaker 2: the sailors were told to, like just dump the colonists
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  Speaker 2: off at Roanok. They've got to go there. So the
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  Speaker 2: colonists land and they discover like the old forts and
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  Speaker 2: the buildings which are mainly sort of falling down or dismantled.
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  Speaker 2: They've got melons growing out with them and shit, so
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  Speaker 2: they have to start rebuilding. So the colonists, they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to work out this truce with the Crowtan tribe because
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  Speaker 2: there's like a coalition going on with other tribes on
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  Speaker 2: the mainland, because they are and rightfully so.
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  Speaker 1: Suspicious of you know, these people coming in and sitting
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  Speaker 1: up on their land. Luckily, they have this native person, Mantail,
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  Speaker 1: who is consistently being the translator, the negotiator and really
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  Speaker 1: making sure the shit does not hit the fan. And
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  Speaker 1: because the colony is like super impressed without awesome he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: With you know, keeping them alive. They reward him by
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  Speaker 2: baptizing him. I'm cool, cool, it's not weird at all. No.
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  Speaker 2: So on August eighteenth, Eleanor Dare gives birth to her daughter.
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  Speaker 2: How she calls Virginia because and I shit you not.
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  Speaker 2: She was the first Christian child born in Virginia. So
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  Speaker 2: people have always named their kids off of places. It's
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  Speaker 2: not new. But Virginia wasn't the only child born in Romanoke.
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  Speaker 1: There was Marjorie Harvey. She gave birth like a few
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  Speaker 1: weeks later, although like I couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Find any information about this child, just that a child
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  Speaker 2: was born. So yeah, in Romanoke, they're rebuilding their cottages,
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  Speaker 2: they're rebuilding the stuff. They have yet again fucked up
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  Speaker 2: their food supply.
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  Speaker 1: They are trying to build and or repair alliances with
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  Speaker 1: the indigenous people of the land, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But they're smart enough to know that shit.
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  Speaker 1: Is not going well, so they think, fuck, what are
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  Speaker 1: we going to do? Governor White the governor of Roanock.
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  Speaker 1: He's like aptly named, but also he is very aware
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to need more provisions and more stuff
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  Speaker 1: and more people everything. They're basically going to need a
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  Speaker 1: bit more of everything. And he knows that he is
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  Speaker 1: the one who has to go in personally petition rally
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  Speaker 1: for these really badly needed supplies.
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  Speaker 2: So getting to England and petitioning rally is actually the
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  Speaker 2: easy part of this. It's the way back that's a
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  Speaker 2: bit more complicated. So we finally get to the green
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  Speaker 2: light and out of the frying pan into the fire.
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  Speaker 2: Comes to mind with John.
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  Speaker 5: White because on his first goal, the Shipy's on was
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  Speaker 5: captured by French pirates and he is quite badly wounded,
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  Speaker 5: and when he's actually well enough and fit enough to
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: travel again, there's a royal order to stop all shipping
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: and sailing because of the threat of the Spanish Armada.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually, in fifteen ninety all three years later, alter Rally.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Manages to book passage for John White on this.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Privateering expedition with a fleet of six ships.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Basically they traverse the Atlantic.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Four of the ships they're gonna go off and sail
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: through the Caribbean and red Spanish outposts, that's what they're
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: gonna do, and two of the other ships are going
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to head towards Roanok and have a wee nosey And
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: just when it was within his grasp, August landing near Roanok,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: not quite there, but nearby, and they spend like two
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: days trying to get into the island, trying to get
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: over to the island, but the water was choppy as fuck.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: They basically they lose a captain and a bunch of sailors,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: like they drown.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: And these are people who are professionals. Could the sailors swim?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like, as a sailor, if you're going to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: be a sailor, they should at least test your swimming
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: abilities because they just this feels like a basic requirement
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: of the job experience. They shouldn't end up in the water.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: That's not the point anyway. So after like five days.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: They spot a fire on one side of the island
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: and they rode towards it. By the time it's night,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the fire's gone. They can't see shit, and they're like,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: maybe not going to disembark onto the island, which may
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: or may not have enemies waiting to attack. It's not probably,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So they anchor their ships basically just off the shore,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and they start singing English songs and.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: The hope is that the colonists will hear them and
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: be like, ah, ginga land.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So the next morning they decide, fuck it, we're going ashore.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So they land on the beach and they see tracks
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: in the sand, but they don't see anybody, No indigenous people,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: no colonists.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Know nothing. They discover a fort and new forts that's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: been built, and as they're walking along towards the colony,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: they find sea are oh carved into a tree. They
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: continue on until they reach the side of the colony
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and one of the first things they noticed there's a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: big fucking fence. It's basically like a palisade, as was
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: it capalisade, palisade. I've only ever seen it written down,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I've never actually said it aloud.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: It's like this wall made out of these steaks, big stakes,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: so like it's a big steak fence all around the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: colony and.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Carved onto one of the posts is the word Cretan.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: So they go inside.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So the search party does what it does, which is
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: you know, searching, and they have a look around the colony.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And as they're having a real look around, they notice
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that the buildings, the houses, they've been dismantled.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Not knocked down, not burned, not trashed, taken apart carefully.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: They also discover that a bunch of their trunks, which
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: were including John White's own, so like he was like,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that's my fucking shit right there. They've been dug up
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: because they'd buried the goods, so they were dug up
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and they were looted. A bunch of shit was missing,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and on further inspection they realized that there were no
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: fucking boats.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: None of the colonist boats were there. They were all gone.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: So the search party they returned to the ship for
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: they planning to get their super sleuthon and go investigate
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the next day. But then the anchor cable for one
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of the ship's breaks and because they can't anchor safely,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: there's no way they're gonna get over there to search.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It's just not safe because they because you know, they
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: really don't want to have a shipwreck. It's not really
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a fun thing to have in the area. So the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: captain and the crew they try and make this deal
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: with John White. They're like, listen, we'll stay in the Caribbean,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you know, during the winter, and we'll come back up
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: in the spring and we'll have another look.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: We'll see what we can do. Ah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't happen, and the ship just fucks off
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: back to England. Yes, John Wick forced to sail again
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to England, never truly knowing what happened to his family
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and the Lost Colony of Roanoke, who disappeared without a trace.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: It's actually pretty funny because normally when people refer to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the Lost Colony of Roanoke, it's always the same kind
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of tale. It's like, but the way it's usually described,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've noticed, is that Governor John
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: White returns and things are just left as they were,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Like there are pots and spoons and everything just kind
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of lying around, as if people just up and left
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: one day without touching anything, Like they just vanished.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Like they were abducted by aliens?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Was it aliens? Where they muttered by a savage tribe?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Did the attempt to sail away and were captured by Spaniards? No,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: nothing so dramatic, I'm afraid. So. Governor White he had
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: like what barely a day at the colony, having a
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: wee nosey, so he didn't really get a good opportunity
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: to investigate. You know what else, he didn't really get
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: a chance to do go fucking talk to the indigenous
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: people of the area. He never actually spoke to the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Croatan people. He never actually got onto Croaton, doesn't anchor,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: doesn't search there, doesn't go speak to.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Their people, doesn't go have a fucking look around there.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: The very place that they signposted on a post and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a fucking tree, Like, not.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Only do they carve away but a shorthand into a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: tree on the way to the colony, they also carve
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: it onto a fucking post on the colony wall.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Effectively, they literally tell you exactly where they are.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Not only that the colonists' trunks were dug up and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: anything that could have been carried was taken with them.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Random indigenous people are not going to go looking for
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: buried trunks, so clearly it was the colonists who dug
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: them up themselves. So of course they're facing harsh winters,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: they are struggling, there are families, there's no fucking militia there,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and that's the thing which, let's face it was the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: main fucking problem beforehand. So like every other colony or
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: any other group that they had on the fucking island,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: they were constantly going out in either raiding, raiding, attacking
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the natives, or just burning their shit to the ground.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Also, in addition, Furthermore, the thing that is very rarely
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: mentioned is the fact that they had all agreed that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: they were going to go like thirty eight to fifty
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: miles north of Roanoke because they thought it was going
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: to be safer or at least more fertile and bountiful
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: for them. So the fact that shit had been dismantled
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and that anything worth taking had been taken and there
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: were absolutely no graves hmm or you know, bones of
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: colonists left behind, Clearly there was not any sort of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: mass massacre going on, you know what I mean.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: But see history has a habit and whitewashed.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: So what actually happened, Well, the winter got really fucking
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: harsh and the.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Colonist said, fuck this for a game of soldiers and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: fucking left. That's what they did. They left. Where did
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: they go to the Croatan tribe? That's where they went.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: And they integrated after that? Who knows?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: And maybe you're thinking, Okay, Katie, that's a bit of
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a stretch. What makes you think that they integrated with
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the native tribe? What makes you think they weren't just
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know, killed and looted. Well, one, because it's
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: not a game of Assassin's creed.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: All I'm saying is that it is incredibly convenient that
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: certain tribes that were migratory, they're migratory, so they would move,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you know, when they needed to move. If they needed
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to move inland where it was warmer, they would listen
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: to nature. They would fall over the food wind where
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: it was warmer, where it was drier, where it was safer.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: They knew the land because it's their land, and the
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and the Secatan they were relatively peaceful tribes, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: when they weren't being fucked with or fucked over. So
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: basically they take these colonists in, you know, they integrate
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the intermarri you know, so on and so forth, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: for like years after the you know, the whole missing
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: colony thing, there are consistent reports of these tribes with
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: blonde haired, blue eyed children using silver cups. So the
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: mystery of the lost colony of Romanok is that Nome
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: was actually lost. They just left because.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: They were sick of waiting and you know, they weren't
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: really clean on the whole dying of starvation thing.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: They basically left, integrated with tribes and then migrated, basically
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: settling around North Carolina areas like that where we found like,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: we found their shit. So apart from the fact we've
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: actually found you know, physical stuff of theirs like pottery,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: glass shards, things like that, Tudor era things, Tudor two
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and crockery and glassware, fucking all of jars and shit.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Apart from that, we actually have records of other our
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: explorers and adventurers describing some Native American tribes as having
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: blonde haired, blue eyed.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Children, a fact that they found so amazing they had
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to write it down and had.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: To share it. Not only that, but they were sort
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of amazed that these tribes were using Tudor cups and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: plates and crocker ray and you know, they were just wow.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I wonder how they got them and knew how to
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: use them. Oh, basically, we moved to Hatteras Island, settled
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: there and basically integrated, intermarried, reproduced, and continued for generations
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: until I don't know, they were slaughtered by their own
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: descendants or you know, very very distant real motives. Basically, yikes.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: So what did we learned today? We learned that sometimes
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the simplest solution is the correct one, and that maybe
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: if you just look to the left a little bit,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you would have found what you needed to find. You know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: are we gonna ask this try what happened? Nana?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna tell anything, right, Okay, Okay? What about
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: these people over here?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: What if we actually just go look at the island
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: that's just that's just up there, you know, because they
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: said they might they might move. Are we gonna go look?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Are we gonna go look there? Nana?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Na, No, we're not gonna look there. There's no point.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: They definitely haven't moved there. There's no way they'd move there. Okay, okay, boss, Okay.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: So anyway, that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Is the story of the Lost Colony of Roanoke. Thank
• 29:48
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