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Week Fourteen · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  The. And welcome back to the Boundary
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  Corner Podcast along with my partners, Brian Siegler, Shelton
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  Moss. I am Curtis Wilson, and we are
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  part of the College Huddled Podcast Network.
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  And this episode, as always, is brought to you by the Counts
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  Family Pharmacy Three O 1 S Main St. in Blacksburg.
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  Your friendly No neighborhood pharmacy.
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  Go see Jeremy Shelton sliding in at the last possible second.
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  What happened in the game? Pick a fat L.
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  Close L Oh, fat L. Close L, but it sucked.
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  Oh good, that's the worst in the after game specials.
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  Yeah, what'd you say? So the worst of the afternoon
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  specials. The worst of the afternoon
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  specials. Well, gentlemen, welcome to
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  Thanksgiving Week 2024. Also should be known, also known
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  on this podcast as Hate Week because obviously Saturday night
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  8:00 will be UVA versus our beloved Hokies.
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  Yep, I'm drinking tonight, y'all.
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  So the loop's not going to be as sealed.
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  Not going crazy like I will in about 3 weeks, but let's just
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  say it's happening tonight. As we were, as we were.
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  Josh, is this a reference to us or the team?
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  Or Saturday night, whichever 1 you want to count.
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  Hey, gentlemen, you were in person, so we look forward to
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  your insight. Well, first of all, did you have
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  a good time regardless of outcome?
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  I did have a good time. I was the game with one of my
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  Duke buddies and one of one of his Vt buddies.
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  So we had a good time. I saw some of the Sun's people,
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  some of my former Charlotte peeps.
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  So it was a good time, man. I'm just, you know, it was good
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  to kind of just be be with my friends and everything.
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  Like, I didn't really have super high expectations and turns out
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  that those expectations were justified.
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  So yeah, I mean, the practical feeling, that's what it is.
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  I'm just, I'm just here to see see my friends and enjoy night
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  out watching football. And I got that so.
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  All right. Well, glad to hear you had a
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  good time, regardless of outcome of the game.
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  Obviously you sent us a few texts while you're in there
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  about some stuff going on and everything.
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  So that should not be put on this Oh.
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  No, no, no, no. That is, that is behind lock
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  and. Key Hey, there's Wade has that
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  Wi-Fi though they can you can get those.
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  Texts out with regularity. There's a statement #1 Shelton
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  got not only one text out, Shelton got about 7:00 or 8:00
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  texts out during the course of the game because of good Wi-Fi.
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  That's another thing to bitch about, but let's get into it.
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  We are going to know the enemy. We're going to look a little bit
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  at UVA. We're going to always, as
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  always, go big screeners. Some other news and notes as
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  well. Some things breaking.
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  Obviously, I want to look at the playoff rankings, but we got to
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  start with what did take place. What Shelton is listed list what
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  Shelton witnessed in living color, live and alive Saturday
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  night. A 3128 loss to Duke, another
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  late November loss toward the Carolina team by 1 score.
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  And if you're keeping record at home, we are.
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  Brent Pry is now 1 and. 12, Third, 12/13/12.
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  One and 1213 games, Brian, that have been decided by 1 score in
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  his tenure here. That is right now right at 1/3
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  of the games he's played one and 12 and it sucks.
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  So I'm not even going to be beat around the Bush.
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  I always like to say usually what went well first.
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  I'm not in that mood tonight in y'all's opinion, Brian.
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  Actually, Shelton, you want to start us off?
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  You saw it and I'm sure you did some data dig in.
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  What went bad Saturday night? Well, first and most obvious is
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  just the explosive passing plays.
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  I mean, it sounded like from what Price said in the post
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  game, you know, they had some coverage busts, some safeties
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  made bad reads on one of the I think the second touchdown by
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  Duke or maybe no, it was the third, the third big passing
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  play. They accepted the third
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  touchdown before the end of the first half.
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  Dante Lovett just fell down. So I mean nothing you're going
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  to do but just shake your head there.
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  So I mean, yeah, that was really the game for jib because I don't
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  think, I mean running wise, they averaged less than three guys
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  per carry. I thought it was one of the
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  better run performances for the Vt defense all season long, if
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  not perhaps the best. So it was kind of disappointing
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  from that perspective to just see how well they stopped the
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  run. But they give so many chunk
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  passing plays that it almost doesn't even matter.
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  And you, you spot a team 14 points in the 1st 5 minutes the
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  first quarter, yeah, you come back to like, that's hard to
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  dig, that's hard to that's a hard hole to dig yourself out
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  of. So and then third, I mean, third
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  quarter, you know, Duke came out with a really good first, first
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  drive to that half kind of gashed ET through the air and
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  also with the run as well, you know, don't know what happened
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  there, but I don't know, man, just you know, they were they
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  were successful most of the time the defense was, but just just
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  ungodly amounts of of big chunk passing plays really did them
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  in. Yeah, the frustrating thing was
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  just watching coverage, man, because that's something I feel
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  like we've been not great at. But I mean, we we hadn't been
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  giving up those big chunk plays like that all year.
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  So it was frustrating. And I know a couple, you know,
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  you had, I think Lovett slipped on one.
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  He slipped on another one of those, a touchdown one that set
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  up a touchdown like Shelton was saying, just before the half.
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  And then he had a big busted coverage on that first one where
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  it looked like most Phillips was kind of eyes in the backfield
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  and next thing you know, you know guys 10 yards behind him.
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  So it was just frustrating to watch those big plays kind of
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  happened because again, if you take away those big plays, it's
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  a it's a completely different game.
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  But that's why you got to, you got to be there and make the
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  play. Yeah, it's here you go.
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  This was early in the game. It was 5 defensive plays.
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  They scored 14 points. That's just unbelievable.
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  I'll say this and we'll, we'll, we'll probably touch into this a
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  little bit more. The bad was into the game for
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  me. Hey, I did not get to watch the
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  second-half. We were visiting family.
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  I had it at my sister's house. My mother didn't have it.
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  So I'm between texting the shit out of these guys along with
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  Allie and other people and watching Gamecast, trying to
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  figure out what's going on. 144 left, the fumble happens.
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  We get the ball great. We got 3 timeouts.
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  You can run your whole offense because you have timeouts in the
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  bag and we just chunked the ball.
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  Let's just throw it. Let's just throw it like, let's
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  try. No semblance of attempting to
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  drive the ball. We're down three.
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  You don't need a touchdown. You do not need 84 yards.
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  You need at best, I'm going to say 55 because of John Loves
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  Lake, 55 yards. That could easily be a couple
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  plays. And I sit here and I'm
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  frustrated as hell because that's not the first time it's
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  happened. Happened against Vandy late in
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  the game, happened against Rutgers late in the game.
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  So remember those things. It's this consistently at the
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  end of the game we're down and it's like literally it's like
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  playing a 7 year old on Madden or college football and you get
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  them down to a down late. What do they do?
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  They run everything deep. All you got to do is play
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  quarters or play covers for you'll pick the ball off.
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  I don't fucking get it. I'm not paid $1,000,000 and I
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  could sit here and tell you 144 left.
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  Heck, 1 little toss out the Tooting, try to get the edge,
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  maybe he sails in. Busted 20 yard run, run a screen
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  run. Something quick to get the ball
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  in somebody's hands quick and we didn't.
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  Well, another thing we, we, when you talk about that, we close
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  the first half with a couple situations where that bit us in
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  the ass as well. You know, you get in the red
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  zone, was it under 5 minutes, seven step drop, you get sacked,
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  another seven step drop, you get a fumble.
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  Now all of a sudden, you know they're in business.
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  They go down, they take the lead there and, and then, you know,
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  you end up getting the ball. Sorry, they, they, they, we got
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  the ball back, had what, 6 seconds on the on the clock and
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  another seven step drop instead of just running a quick out to
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  try to get love a chance to, to kick a field goal there.
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  So that sequence to close the first half was mind boggling to
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  me. You know, we had a bunch of
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  opportunities where we could have really either taken a big
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  lead or at least got the lead back there at the end and just
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  kind of, you know, pissed down our leg a lot with the play
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  calling and and the execution there.
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  Shown anything else went bad. I know you said you had
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  something, I told you put it in the chamber, but I'm assuming
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  that was going to be in the bad category.
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  Did you, did you still have that?
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  Well, that's more of a Brent Price at which we can talk about
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  if we get into the coaching discourse.
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  But yeah, I mean, I don't know, I I didn't think I thought the
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  offense moved the ball pretty well actually.
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  So I don't really have too many gripes for the offense other
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  than maybe how that that last first first half drive ended,
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  you know, where they got down, ran the ball, took a time out in
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  the second down, I think it was, and took a big sack.
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  I understand what they were trying to do with, you know,
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  maybe only no timeouts left second down.
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  So obviously, you know, you got to take, you know, try taking a
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  shot to the end zone, you get sacked, then you've got to pass
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  again to kind of throw the ball away because you can't, you
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  know, you can't have the ball clock running after that third
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  down play. So it's like, yeah, I don't
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  know, just kind of messed with drive.
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  I mean, I know they had some execution miscues on that one,
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  but that just was kind of screwed up from the start.
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  Hey, Robbie, I, I agree with you here 100%.
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  But at the same time, at the same time, that's when your,
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  your coordinator doesn't necessarily put an inexperienced
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  quarterback in that situation, in that down in distance, in
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  that location on the field. It's very true and I'm trying to
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  get to it here with the fumble because that ball, that draft
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  started right. We're at the Duke 14 yard line
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  with 47 seconds left, the 14 yard line and and pop, he
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  attempts to run the ball and he he loses a couple proc calls a
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  timeout. That's fine, no issue with the
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  time out right there because he gets hit behind the line.
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  People are going in, you bring them back.
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  The issue was what you said, what you said and what Rodney
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  made to point out too. They were as an experience, but
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  it's at the 14 yard line. Why are you trying to run five
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  and seven steps drop, trying to get people in the end zone, get
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  the ball in somebody's hands, have two plays ready to go.
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  And Brian, I know you guys did this at Sydney at times where
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  y'all call a time out and you'd have two plays.
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  Hey, we're going hurry up as soon as we hit the first one.
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  We're going right to this one regardless.
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  Again, I'm not getting paid $1,000,000 When he comes out of
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  that time out, it should have been 2 plays in case we get
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  tackled inbounds, we can make a quick snap and we can make the
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  decision. But instead it's a seven step
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  drop, it's a sack. Then it happens again.
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  We're at the 25 at that point in time too.
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  So you sit here and again, it's mismanagement of the game
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  because at the 25 yard line through the math, 40 yard field
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  goal, John Love tie ball game, right?
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  Yeah, or or. Down one point at halftime.
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  One point at halftime. Yeah, so I, I, I pulled it up
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  the so that, that second down play, they ran the ball and 2nd
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  down to yard loss called a timeout.
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  They wanted to run a screen pass, but it got blown up so
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  quickly because someone I think, I think it was Kane and misses
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  block that got blown up right away.
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  So you're back to the 27 and then there's 28 seconds left and
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  counting and then you get blown up.
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  So I mean, maybe they should have called.
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  Well, actually, no, look at it, man.
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  I don't I don't think pop had a chance, honestly.
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  I just. Well, the whole piece is well,
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  you, you, you mentioned they, they blow up the screen pass
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  then then what? You've got to basically go in
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  Shelton to say, hey, listen, it's the screen is not there on
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  2nd and 12. Just kill the ball at the feet.
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  Just kill the ball at somebody's feet.
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  We'll go third down. It's the whole now try to find
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  the next play. Well, likely that's the read.
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  And if they blew that up on a screen, Brian, you know, from
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  playing offensive line all these years and we can talk about it.
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  Some people put in here the offensive line playing like
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  shit. Not the whole game.
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  Not the whole game. It was a very up and down
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  performance. But but Brian, that screenplay
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  he's talking about, yeah, you know that basically, you know
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  from playing, if that screen does not work and it's not
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  there, you cannot hold the ball. It should have been if the
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  screens not there, what do I do? Throw it at somebody's fucking
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  feet foot. At least at that point, even if
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  they call intentional grounding, it's probably a three to four
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  yard loss. And obviously too it would be
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  the clock would stop and either you could do the 10 second
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  runoff which might have been if I saw that situation.
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  Yeah, I mean, it was it was it was a common to your areas.
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  And like I said, it was it was a combination in my opinion of
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  maybe bad situational plus again, bad execution,
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  inexperience from popping that type of situation.
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  So there's just a lot of factors at play there that really kind
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  of, you know, helped helped us screw the pooch.
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  And that's very important situation in my opinion, because
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  you went from a, a, a, a spot where the drive before, if you
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  could have finished that you're, you know, you really fully
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  recaptured the momentum after a disastrous 1st 5 plays on
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  defense. Then you let them go back and
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  take the lead. And then, you know, now you now
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  you're back again where you can make it a one point game.
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  You don't do it. You end up getting the ball back
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  and, and you kind of do the same thing again there instead of,
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  you know, trying to get a quick play that might give you a
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  chance to, to, to, to at least get one more field goal attempt
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  there to, to close out the half. So to me it was just a a bad
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  sequence, those final really 3 possessions of the half for the
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  Hokies on offense. And effectively, those type
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  things have been the undoing all year of the Hokies.
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  Hokies fall to 5:00 and 6:00 on the season.
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  And you know, it stinks. That's the bad it stinks.
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  I do want to point out that there were a couple good moments
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  or not good moments, but good individual performances in this
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  game And, and I'm going to call out the first.
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  We've called his name a couple times for making errors, but
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  overall with Pop Watson, I was, I actually felt good because he
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  looked to be making quick reads. You saw the elusiveness from him
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  and everybody can say well he didn't look great and lead us to
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  a win. He played well enough to lead us
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  to a win if he had been put in a couple more right situations.
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  Yeah, I mean we got a, you know, I think when we look at the
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  performances we got also mention Ollie Jennings coming out party
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  for 20/24. It it took a while to get there,
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  but a, you know, we finally got a big performance from Ollie
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  Jennings this year. So good to see that and and
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  really showed a burst that I don't really think we've seen
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  for most of the most of the season, especially on that that
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  touchdown where he kind of took it, got up the alley and then
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  kind of finished it running over the the tackler there near the
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  end zone. About you showing anybody you
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  felt good about or you want to give a kudos to, I mean.
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  We saw a little bit of Devin Elvis at Safety Pride.
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  Pride was complementary of them. So I guess that'd be that'd be
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  one. And again, I mean obviously the
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  entire D line I thought was great and run defense so you
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  know cuz. Yeah, I mean the the the the
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  defensive line and the defense in general from a, you know,
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  running run stopping situation was was, you know, top notch all
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  game. They they had a little bit of a
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  rough, rough drive there towards the end.
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  They finally, you know, let a couple runs get through there,
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  but for the most part, anytime they tried to run, you know,
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  there, there wasn't really a whole lot to be seen in terms of
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  extra yardage there. So kudos to them.
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  It's just it's it's it's frustrating that again, like
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  we're we're seeing this team get beat in different ways every
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  week. It's like we can't just circle
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  this is the problem. This here is the problem because
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  it's something new every week. And and that then that says
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  something that probably, you know, hopefully a week and a
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  night we're discussing because when you can't pinpoint one
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  problem, it probably means it's multiple people and multiple
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  problems as we're discussing. So, you know, we'll, we'll see
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  what happens basically over the next couple weeks.
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  I want to give a shout out to APR Did not report a sack that 1
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  1/2 tackles for loss, but you could see him coming off the
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  edge. They were ready for him and they
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  still could not stop the pressure he created.
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  He got absolutely screwed out of not being a finalist for the
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  Lombardi award. Absolutely screwed in my
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  opinion. Screwed.
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  If y'all didn't see that he was not named a finalist.
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  It's a bunch of bullshit. And somehow who else?
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  Somebody else got left off the Thorpe Oh Colorado guy Travis
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  Hunter got left off the Fort today.
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  Finalist explain that one. Anybody y'all got any
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  explanations for either one of those guys?
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  I mean, statistically he's the best corner in the country and,
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  you know, probably a top 10 or 15 wide receiver.
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  And he did not get. But you know, whatever, fuck us,
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  right? That's pretty much it right now.
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  All right, let's keep on going. Anything y'all weren't prepared
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  for like. Bombs, I mean, I wasn't prepared
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  for them to do have big plays in the passing game.
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  I was not prepared for that. I I knew there was potential
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  there, but we had been pretty sound about not allowing those
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  the the big long ones all year, even when, when those are
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  busted, usually it was kind of underneath and there was a
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  missed tackle or over over pursued or, you know, something
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  like that that was causing the play itself to happen.
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  Not necessarily, you know, just getting, getting beat deep
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  slipping, things like that. We hadn't had a ton of those all
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  year. So it was really disappointing
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  that for that to happen in this game.
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  Showing anything you weren't. Yeah, I, I, I was, I mean, same
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  with Bryan. Obviously the big passing plays
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  because it's not exactly Duke's strong suit, but I was a little
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  surprised pleasantly with how well the offense moved the ball
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  considering the circumstances. I mean, you got down to pop
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  Watson, you know, your third and quarterback.
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  I thought he he was looking pretty good on some of those RPO
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  slants, like he could hit them and and Malik for, for Duke was
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  missing. Like, I mean, he could barely
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  hit those, those ways. And I know we had a few, a few
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  good deep balls and he's good throwing deep balls, but in
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  those intermediate range, I, I didn't think he was very
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  accurate. Pop looked really good on some
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  of those intermediate passes. So I was, I was very pleasantly
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  surprised by that. Yeah, this, this is another one.
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  My only thought with that is that, you know, you go from
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  Schlee to Pop Watson and maybe some of those snaps that you
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  were going to get a Aurora guy in a wide receiver.
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  Now you may keep your veterans in a little bit more because
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  you're working with a raw and inexperienced quarterback
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  though. So that's my only guess there.
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  Anybody that knows different can feel free to chime in there, but
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  that's my guess. Yeah, there's nobody knows what
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  did didn't happen that I was prepared for.
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  It's it's it's it's tough for me.
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  I go to probably I wasn't prepared to see Basil Tune play
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  the way he played because him coming off the injury he at
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  times look like the basal. We know the cuts, the burst he
• 22:46
  got over 1000 which kudos to him on that.
• 22:49
  I'm so glad he got 1000 yards first since Filio Harvard back
• 22:53
  in 2020 during the COVID season 1 a lot that you know no one
• 22:58
  actually saw in Lane Stadium which sucks but he deserved it
• 23:03
  from getting basically COVID screwing and probably out of AD
• 23:06
  one offer last year. The way things broke probably
• 23:09
  more earlier in the season where he could have had it then, but I
• 23:14
  was pleasantly surprised that he looked as good as he did.
• 23:20
  And I also loved his statement today.
• 23:21
  I don't know if you saw it in the presser about I'm here to
• 23:25
  play, I'm going to go ahead and say something.
• 23:28
  Running backs, every NFL coach, wherever he was, he just went up
• 23:31
  32 spots on their boards wherever he was.
• 23:35
  Because if you ever hear about like NFL, I'm a Niners fan, they
• 23:41
  always talk about it. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan,
• 23:44
  You have to love football to be here.
• 23:46
  You can't love money, you can't love hype.
• 23:49
  You can't love success. You have to love the actual
• 23:51
  game. When I heard him say that,
• 23:54
  there's a bunch of people saying where is he?
• 23:56
  Move him up the next round, why he loves the game.
• 23:59
  We're going to see him Saturday one last time in Lane Stadium.
• 24:02
  All righty, to the last point here, we always hit then what
• 24:08
  can we do better moving forward? Is this where you wanted to to
• 24:11
  throw the bomb in there? Shelton?
• 24:14
  What can we do better moving forward because saw how much
• 24:16
  coach discord we're going to get tonight.
• 24:19
  I mean, win close games, I guess I don't, I don't really know
• 24:23
  what what what other solution there is like the teams play,
• 24:26
  you know, mostly pretty well. I mean, they put themselves in
• 24:29
  good spots and they just can't get out of the hump.
• 24:31
  So I was researching this last night because I saw a stat that
• 24:35
  was somewhat related to it. So last 20 years this year
• 24:41
  Virginia Tech has a point differential of plus 5.7 against
• 24:43
  FBS team. So they're they're weighing
• 24:45
  their games on average by 5.7 points against the FBS.
• 24:50
  That is the second highest point differential for a team with a
• 24:54
  losing record in the last 20 years.
• 24:55
  Only other team with a higher point differential with a losing
• 24:58
  record was Georgia back in 2010. So just kind of put some
• 25:01
  perspective to you just how much this team has underperformed.
• 25:06
  And I know, you know, we talk a lot about the coaching and you
• 25:09
  know, where we've kind of come up short and the coordinators
• 25:11
  and so forth. But like, I don't think the play
• 25:13
  in the field has been as bad as people think.
• 25:15
  I just think the the complete and utter inability to to
• 25:20
  capitalize in those crunch situations and just eventually,
• 25:23
  you know, find your way on top of a close game.
• 25:25
  It's just something that's been really unprecedented.
• 25:27
  I mean, we've we've seen the data like probably has the worst
• 25:29
  record in once we're games for any coach the last 20 years with
• 25:32
  at least 10 games. So I just, I don't know, I mean,
• 25:35
  I'm kind of out of venture at this point, honestly.
• 25:36
  Like just win, find a way to win plus game.
• 25:39
  Like there's really nothing else that needs to be said.
• 25:41
  Yeah, you've lost six games by a combined 34 points.
• 25:46
  That's I mean that that that's what it is.
• 25:51
  You know, you're talking about that's that's less.
• 25:52
  You're not. Getting blown out.
• 25:54
  That's less than a touchdown per game.
• 25:58
  Only one of them has been A2 score situation, all the other
• 26:03
  ones have been one score contest so.
• 26:05
  And that was a one score contest.
• 26:06
  For how long? Most of the damn game game.
• 26:11
  So I mean it, it's, it's one of those so close, but so fucking
• 26:17
  far away situations of like you're, you're there to you're,
• 26:22
  you're putting yourself in a position where you could be
• 26:24
  considered a good team, but you are not closing the deal with
• 26:28
  any sort of regularity. When, when things are tight,
• 26:32
  when things get tough, when, when teams put pressure on you
• 26:36
  in the final two minutes of a game, when teams put pressure on
• 26:38
  you in the final quarter of a game, you've done a good job of
• 26:45
  counter punching. When, when teams come out quick,
• 26:48
  you, you've had an answer. When teams have hit you with
• 26:51
  that inevitable third quarter debacle, you've had an answer,
• 26:56
  but you haven't been able to close the deal when it mattered,
• 26:59
  and that's a problem. Yeah, put what Robbie just said
• 27:03
  up there, you have to learn how to win now and close the games.
• 27:09
  And the question now goes, and this is, I know we've said it a
• 27:12
  lot and people in there put up gems as well because it's it
• 27:16
  goes back to this. The question is, I'll give the
• 27:21
  benefit of the doubt to a head coach because if we talk about
• 27:24
  the way the talents changed on the field in the last three
• 27:27
  years, the the also the, the analysis and the reviewing of
• 27:34
  the talent in the portal and the guys they're bringing in from,
• 27:38
  you know, the recruiting ranks in high school.
• 27:41
  This staff's done that right? You want to argue with me all
• 27:44
  you want. Colin Schley didn't look out of
• 27:46
  place. Pop Watson didn't look out of
• 27:48
  place. Drones, when he has been
• 27:49
  healthy, has looked fine. Facial tootin looked good.
• 27:53
  Think of some of the younger offensive lineman who are
• 27:55
  working their way and they've looked good.
• 27:57
  That's what's irritating. That's what's irritating more
• 28:00
  than anything. Because in 2021, the games we
• 28:04
  lost, I could point and say we're not as talented here.
• 28:07
  We're not as talented here. And and if you ask me what's
• 28:12
  more frustrating, well, this is more frustrating than that
• 28:17
  because at least there I could say we just don't have the
• 28:19
  horses to keep up. Now I get to sit here and say we
• 28:23
  have the horses, we can play with any fucking body in the
• 28:26
  country and we've seen that. We just ain't pressing the right
• 28:30
  buttons. Yeah.
• 28:32
  I mean, you, you played, you played with Miami, you played
• 28:35
  with Clemson. And then you kind of play down
• 28:39
  to a Duke, you play down to a Syracuse.
• 28:42
  And I mean, I understand you're playing with backup quarterbacks
• 28:45
  in both of those games, but those are games you needed to
• 28:48
  have to to put a stamp on the season and feel pretty good
• 28:52
  about it, especially the way you started off with the Vanderbilt
• 28:55
  and the Rutgers loss. We needed to win those games.
• 29:00
  Perception wise. You need to show that you can
• 29:04
  close the deal against middling ACC competitions regardless of
• 29:09
  whether you got your starting quarterback in there or not,
• 29:11
  because you put yourself in position Despite that.
• 29:13
  To win those games, you got to win them.
• 29:17
  Sean, One last thing to close out this segment.
• 29:22
  I mean, I don't know, I, I kind of talked about it last week for
• 29:27
  the key play, you know, it's just, it's been a pretty average
• 29:30
  step so far. I feel like I don't think it's
• 29:32
  been bad. I don't think it's been great
• 29:33
  either. You know, I don't think the
• 29:35
  Sky's falling, but I just, I think one of the things that
• 29:37
  makes it hard to sort of analyze what the problem is, is that I
• 29:40
  think the, the issues with this team are so vague and amorphous
• 29:45
  and, and poorly defined that I don't really know exactly where
• 29:48
  to start. Like I don't know who to
• 29:49
  scapegoat statistically. Is it the offensive defense?
• 29:52
  I don't know. Could it be some of the
• 29:54
  assistants? Maybe.
• 29:55
  But like, what's, I mean, like what's the main issue?
• 29:58
  I just don't know if there's one thing you can put in.
• 29:59
  So like we are terrible at that. And if we fix that, then boom,
• 30:02
  we're good. It's like, it's kind of like
• 30:04
  collectively every, everybody's just been average and I don't
• 30:06
  know how you fix average. Yeah.
• 30:08
  And I, I, I think I'll, I'll tell this, I'll, I'll say this.
• 30:13
  I think, I think we're, we're, we're seeing that amorphous
• 30:17
  situation is coming from just the general inexperience of the
• 30:20
  people that are making the high level decisions for the program
• 30:24
  right now. And that's why you're seeing
• 30:28
  different things, different weeks because that that
• 30:31
  inexperience, I think is starting to stack up as we get
• 30:36
  into, we get expectations attached to us.
• 30:39
  We get these situations where we're in these tight contest,
• 30:45
  you know, these these coordinators haven't seen these
• 30:48
  situations with enough frequency when it's their decision that is
• 30:52
  going to make or break that moment potentially it and it's
• 30:56
  like it's it's a combination of of not seeing that, but also, I
• 30:59
  think it at times either not understanding the strengths and
• 31:04
  weaknesses in a given moment of your team and not leaning on the
• 31:10
  strengths that you have in your running game at key moments in
• 31:13
  the game and thinking, I need yards, I'm just going to drop
• 31:16
  back and and and see what happens here.
• 31:19
  I think sometimes, you know, on offense, Bowen sometimes
• 31:23
  overthinks and then I think sometimes on defense you get a
• 31:27
  little bit of that that we do, we do mindset and and that can
• 31:32
  burn you in the end as well. I'm going to just close it with
• 31:35
  this right here. So let's let's talk about the
• 31:44
  the poll we put out there. Oh yeah.
• 31:46
  All right, so we put out a poll. We're basically saying, you know
• 31:50
  what is happening in the season we got move on from Brent Pry,
• 31:54
  move on from your OC and DC. You know, it could be either,
• 31:58
  could be either, or it could be one of the other, could be both
• 32:02
  or something else. And we put that out there.
• 32:05
  So 75% of you think that one or both of the coordinators need to
• 32:10
  go. The other 25% were basically a
• 32:14
  combination of either move on from pry or essentially all the
• 32:20
  other statements were basically dumped the entire athletic
• 32:22
  department down the toilet and start over from scratch.
• 32:27
  So some, some variation of fire wit, which is going to have a
• 32:30
  trickle down effect through football, right?
• 32:33
  So 75% are just on the coordinator wagon.
• 32:38
  Another 25% are basically some some version of moving on from
• 32:41
  Brent Prize. So that's kind of the rundown
• 32:45
  of, you know, over 700 folks that that that that clicked on
• 32:49
  that that poll there. So do with that what you will.
• 32:53
  Well, do with that, which you will and you know, I think I
• 32:57
  think it's where as I was talking to a family member on a
• 33:02
  Saturday, they pay attention a little bit to football.
• 33:06
  Not crazy, but I was like him as that marketing, the guy who glad
• 33:12
  hands people who's going to talk to everybody at the party got it
• 33:15
  down pat him as a face. I know some people get tired of
• 33:19
  the coach stick. I still think his stick's better
• 33:21
  than Fuente because he will a lot of times, and we've heard
• 33:23
  this from day one, he a lot of times will say we as coaches
• 33:28
  specifically on certain points. If you all remember Brian, we
• 33:32
  sat here, I believe a little bit drunk a couple years ago and
• 33:35
  said Fuente will never ever. He always says wee, wee, wee.
• 33:38
  Say execution one more time, motherfucker.
• 33:40
  Who? Would never say coaches.
• 33:44
  That is the one. It's still a breath of fresh.
• 33:45
  I know some pisses, some people awful.
• 33:47
  What can you do? And it's like, well, at least
• 33:50
  he's admitting that as a coaching staff, they have to be
• 33:52
  better. He's not sitting here saying we,
• 33:55
  we, what the fuck's we? Is we all of us, the whole
• 33:59
  fucking team? The Royal we.
• 34:02
  So there we go. All right, so let's take a quick
• 34:06
  little break here. What I'm stepping on.
• 34:10
  And as always, we are brought to you by the Count Family
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  Pharmacy, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy, 301 S
• 34:16
  Main St. in Blacksburg. And obviously it is hate week.
• 34:20
  This week we do not have a guest, so we are going to be
• 34:24
  getting into some of the UVA Cavaliers players here.
• 34:31
  Obviously they are currently led by Tony Elliott, also in his
• 34:35
  third season. A significantly bigger or win or
• 34:39
  significantly worse win loss record than Brent Prockey's also
• 34:42
  coming in five and six. They're five and six, right?
• 34:44
  I didn't. I didn't fucking make that up in
• 34:46
  my head for. That we're we're both playing
• 34:48
  for bowl eligibility. The story of the Commonwealth
• 34:52
  Cup over the last 10 years. 10 plus man, going back to the end
• 34:56
  of end of beamer there. 2012, Oh no, 10 years, 2014, man, that
• 35:02
  was one of those years. But we are going to talk about
• 35:05
  them tonight. And obviously, Brian, I believe
• 35:09
  that you wanted to start on the defensive side of the ball, a
• 35:13
  little bit behind their defensive setup, defensive
• 35:19
  scheme. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:21
  I mean, this is a a multiple formation kind of they you have
• 35:24
  a three, four base, but they'll run multiple fronts.
• 35:28
  You know, you'll see them come out of four two, you'll see them
• 35:30
  come out of 3433 stack. They'll run a lot of different,
• 35:34
  different looks at you different fronts.
• 35:37
  So expect that, you know, they've got their hybrid outside
• 35:41
  linebacker DN and then they got a hybrid kind of safety
• 35:44
  linebacker there. So they can kind of move guys
• 35:47
  around, give you a little bit of a different look depending on
• 35:51
  how they want to attack you. So expect that it's going to be
• 35:55
  very interesting to, you know, prepare for that from an
• 35:59
  offensive line standpoint with having different fronts pretty
• 36:02
  regularly. So we'll see if they come out
• 36:05
  and stick with mostly a 3A3 man front or if they kind of mix in,
• 36:10
  you know, four man with with any regularity.
• 36:13
  Yep. And if y'all are wondering,
• 36:15
  they're LED. That's led by John Rozinski.
• 36:17
  He's the guy that came over from Air Force with them and as far
• 36:21
  as it goes for this year, they're ranked well in the
• 36:26
  bottom half. Shelton, if you have that
• 36:27
  number, I have a very big number here I want to give out.
• 36:31
  They give up on average 5 point yarn yards per play.
• 36:37
  I do not have where they rank, but Shelton, if you've got that
• 36:41
  or any info you want to lay on about their defense from a
• 36:44
  statistical perspective before we look at the players.
• 36:48
  Yeah, I'm looking it up right here.
• 36:51
  I've got so 400, four, 119 yards per game averages their average
• 36:56
  for FBS opponents, and that also translate to six yards per play
• 37:00
  against FBS, which ranks 91st in the country.
• 37:03
  So not good. That's that's low, low, low.
• 37:09
  So Brian, let's talk about a couple of the players Shelter,
• 37:11
  you got any all these players just chime in when you want to
• 37:13
  my man. Let's talk about kind of the guy
• 37:16
  you threw on here. We'll talk about Jonas Sanker.
• 37:19
  The six foot 293 LB safety three star when he came out, actually
• 37:26
  went right from hometown there, went to the Covenant School down
• 37:29
  in Charlottesville. And so far this season, you
• 37:33
  know, we're taking a look at his, you know, statistics.
• 37:37
  He is leading the team and not only solo tackles, but also
• 37:41
  total tackles at 89. And Brian, just kind of looking
• 37:45
  at real quick what you see, what do you like from Sanker?
• 37:49
  Yeah, I mean, he's a, he's a guy that has really good activity as
• 37:55
  a run defender coming from that, you know, back part of the
• 37:58
  formation there, really good instincts, good tackler.
• 38:04
  You know, probably not the fastest kid that you'll see from
• 38:08
  the secondary perspective, but he can still make cover, good
• 38:11
  ground there. Not really great in coverage,
• 38:15
  really just an average coverage. But in terms of run stopping
• 38:19
  from a safety position position, he does a really good job with
• 38:22
  that. Showing anything on Sanker grade
• 38:25
  wise, data wise, statistics wise you like or are interested?
• 38:30
  No, I can. I'll give you a second look at
• 38:31
  that. I can circle back all.
• 38:33
  Right. We'll circle back on Sanker
• 38:34
  there. The other guy I wanted to talk
• 38:38
  about was a guy a lot of people thought that might be in
• 38:42
  Blacksburg after after he when he came out, which in the 2023
• 38:49
  passes. Cam Robinson 4 star out of
• 38:51
  Tappahannock just down the just down 360 here E heading towards
• 38:58
  the coast. Essex High School, pretty big
• 39:01
  time recruit when he came out a top ten player in the state and
• 39:06
  obviously he's already getting it done, you know, you know,
• 39:09
  just in his second year there. Brian, what do you like about
• 39:13
  him? Maybe some weaknesses?
• 39:17
  Yeah, I mean, he's really kind of settled in really quick at
• 39:20
  the mic position for for UVA really kind of came in and and
• 39:28
  and out the gate was a was a difference maker on that
• 39:31
  linebacker unit and continues to be.
• 39:33
  He's been banged up the last last couple weeks here, so he
• 39:35
  hasn't seen as much action, but we'll see if he's going to be
• 39:41
  fully healthy this go. But it looks like he is at the
• 39:43
  top of the depth chart this week for the Cavaliers.
• 39:47
  So expect to get him in heavy doses.
• 39:50
  And I mean, he's a guy that's going to give you a lot of fits.
• 39:53
  Does a really good job against the run.
• 39:57
  Yeah, really good athlete. Matches up well when he's in
• 39:59
  coverage responsibilities. Probably a little bit weaker in
• 40:05
  zone coverage than he is, you know, covering guys man to man,
• 40:07
  but. He's he's, he's probably the, to
• 40:11
  me at least, you know, looking top to bottom, probably the
• 40:14
  scariest player on their defense just because of what we do well
• 40:17
  and, and, and what he does well. Jill.
• 40:23
  You're on mute again, bud. Can y'all hear me?
• 40:27
  Yep, we got you. One moment.
• 40:36
  Can you hear us? I got you.
• 40:39
  I can hear you now. I can hear you now, Sean.
• 40:40
  You got anything right now? Yeah, just looking at some of UV
• 40:46
  as advanced sets in the in the advanced sets column, a lot of
• 40:49
  red, which is bad. You don't want you don't want
• 40:51
  red 102nd offensive success rate, 119 drop back success
• 40:57
  rate. So their passing game's been,
• 40:59
  you know, been extremely inefficient and then you know,
• 41:02
  defense 58th. So a little bit better there,
• 41:05
  but they just haven't really converted drives.
• 41:10
  But that's been a big sore spot for them.
• 41:12
  Third down success pretty bad 200 and 3rd and 3rd and 4th down
• 41:15
  conversion rate. So across the board, man, it's
• 41:18
  been it's been a rough year for the Wahoos.
• 41:20
  It's not a lot to really look at positively if you're a UVA fan
• 41:23
  all. Right, except they're five and
• 41:25
  six. Somehow that's the only positive
• 41:28
  they have is they're fucking 5:00 and 6:00.
• 41:30
  Look at the front half of their schedule.
• 41:31
  Homie Oh it was awful. I mean, we haven't had anything
• 41:35
  to write home about, but the front half of their schedule was
• 41:37
  dog shit and we looked at it and were like get to the back half
• 41:42
  of the schedule and you will be lucky to see one more.
• 41:46
  They got it. They.
• 41:47
  Got it. Which completely shocked me real
• 41:50
  quick about the importance of Cam Robinson here, because even
• 41:53
  though they ranked way, way down, as Shelton mentioned in
• 41:57
  the total defense in that yard per play, their run defense is
• 42:03
  middle of the pack. So Cam Robinson playing Saturday
• 42:06
  is probably a huge key to that because they ranked 57th in the
• 42:11
  country when it comes to that. So definitely going to be key if
• 42:15
  he goes Saturday night. Brian, you had one more guy you
• 42:18
  wanted to talk about. Who was that?
• 42:20
  Yeah, that's our defensive end, Cam Butler.
• 42:24
  You know, just looking at what we do poorly, we struggle at
• 42:30
  times to protect the the passer, especially when you potentially
• 42:34
  might have Pop Watson in there at quarterback.
• 42:37
  Somebody with that inexperience, you know, we saw that on a
• 42:40
  couple times against Duke become a big problem.
• 42:44
  So we're going to need some consistent offensive line play
• 42:50
  when when we pair that with, you know, potentially starting our
• 42:52
  third string quarterback in this game.
• 42:54
  So we'll see if Schlee can go with the, you know, concussion.
• 42:57
  We know that that Kyron's probably going to be missing
• 43:00
  this game as well. So we're probably going to be
• 43:03
  counted on at least our second, if not our third string
• 43:05
  quarterback here. So it's going to be important to
• 43:07
  protect that person. And you know, Cam Butler does
• 43:10
  not not he's not an excellent rusher, but he is a guy that is
• 43:14
  consistent and has a motor. So we've got to be consistent
• 43:17
  with our with our protection throughout the game.
• 43:20
  And obviously going back to the Duke game, probably a night that
• 43:23
  whole offensive line wants to remember giving up seven sacks,
• 43:27
  14 1/2 tackles for loss. So something not good.
• 43:32
  And you know, like, you know, Shelton said they're about their
• 43:35
  drop back success rate, not that good.
• 43:37
  So there is going to be some opportunities there.
• 43:41
  But always keep an eye on that. Cam Butler, Shelton, anything
• 43:43
  else before we jump over to the offensive side of the ball?
• 43:48
  Yeah, I did look up the numbers for Yonah Sankar.
• 43:49
  There's safety. PFF is pretty average on him,
• 43:53
  maybe a little bit below average, but he does have 6
• 43:55
  quarterback pressures this season, which is tied for ninth
• 43:59
  most among ACC defensive backs. So I don't know how often they
• 44:02
  bring them and pressure situations, but you know, he's
• 44:04
  done a decent job of getting there at least.
• 44:07
  And then, you know, in coverage he's been targeted a decent
• 44:10
  mountain and you know, teams have had success against him. 3
• 44:12
  touchdowns given up in coverage for PFF so you know they've been
• 44:16
  able to get to him. But yeah, I just think overall
• 44:19
  UVA for the most part has kind of struggled defensively,
• 44:23
  particularly in the secondary run.
• 44:25
  Demons has been OK overall pretty solid, but their
• 44:29
  secondary has been some some burnt toast this season.
• 44:32
  All righty. Let's hope we can take advantage
• 44:33
  of that on Saturday. Let's flip over to the offensive
• 44:37
  side of the ball that's led by Dez Kitchen Brown.
• 44:40
  What does he like to do on offense?
• 44:43
  It's a it's a wide zone offense. You know, he's been trying to
• 44:46
  get to it I think for a while. I think they're starting to have
• 44:49
  a little bit more success with the running game this year than
• 44:53
  they have necessarily. I think the last two years.
• 44:57
  It it it's an offense that it's kind of predicated on being able
• 45:01
  to run the ball so they can set up some of those throws
• 45:03
  downfield that that is kind of their bread and butter when they
• 45:06
  do get into a rhythm is throwing the football down the field a
• 45:09
  little bit off of play action and things like that.
• 45:11
  So obviously LED, you know, Calandria quarterback, we've
• 45:15
  seen Musk get in there at from time to time.
• 45:20
  I think there's a little bit of a quarterback controversy kind
• 45:23
  of brewing there. I don't know how much to make of
• 45:27
  that just because you know, muskets out of eligibility
• 45:30
  beyond this year. So that's that's something to
• 45:34
  watch. We'll see how much of musket we
• 45:36
  see Saturday compared to Calandria.
• 45:41
  But you know, when we look at Calandria, he's a guy that I I
• 45:45
  think is as as much as we want to give Kyron the the sophomore
• 45:50
  slump here. I mean, here's a guy that that's
• 45:51
  really hit the the sophomore wall very fucking hard this
• 45:58
  year. You know, when we looked at him
• 46:00
  playing last year, you, you saw a lot of like, you know, the,
• 46:04
  the ceiling was there. You can see what the ceiling
• 46:06
  looked like, You know, when he came, you know, came to throwing
• 46:09
  the ball down feel a lot, very average in those intermediate
• 46:14
  areas. But he was, he was driving the
• 46:16
  ball down feel pretty effectively.
• 46:18
  We haven't seen a whole lot of that success this year, success
• 46:22
  down the field much lower than last year.
• 46:25
  And he's the guy that's going to he'll he'll put the ball in
• 46:27
  danger from time to time as well.
• 46:29
  So we're going to have some opportunities, again, just like
• 46:31
  we had against Duke, to get some picks here, turn those into some
• 46:34
  points. All right, anything on Calandria
• 46:38
  to write home about Shelton? Yeah, So apropos what Brian was
• 46:41
  saying, actually PFF grades him as the second worst quarterback
• 46:45
  on intermediate throws this season.
• 46:48
  He has been very inefficient there.
• 46:50
  And they don't they don't throw it a ton of intermediate.
• 46:53
  But yeah, he's he's trying a lot there.
• 46:54
  He's also been pressured I believe 152 times this season,
• 46:59
  which is fourth most among all Power 4 quarterbacks.
• 47:01
  So maybe that's gotten a little bit in his head.
• 47:04
  I'm sure that's probably impacted his performance to some
• 47:06
  degree. But you know, teams have a
• 47:09
  pretty easy time getting into them.
• 47:11
  And you know, UVA typically in terms of their passing
• 47:13
  structure, they they disproportionately go behind
• 47:16
  line of scrimmage and short throws a little bit more.
• 47:18
  So you probably see that more so than, you know, deep shots just
• 47:21
  because they've been, they've been so ineffective and
• 47:23
  intermediate and deep throws. I wanted you to bring up what
• 47:26
  Josh brought up here just so everybody can kind of know that
• 47:31
  obviously if y'all are paying attention.
• 47:33
  Hey Josh, yes, first of all, their second leading rusher,
• 47:38
  Xavier Brown, he's out the rest of the season.
• 47:41
  So we will not see Xavier Brown, who has been averaging 6.1 for
• 47:46
  attempts. He was right under 500 yards for
• 47:48
  the year along with three total touchdowns.
• 47:52
  Also 14.1 through the air. Co pace, Co pace, Kobe pace also
• 47:58
  hurt. They will not know a lot on him
• 48:00
  until the end of the year or excuse me, the end of the week.
• 48:03
  So not looking good there as well.
• 48:07
  And I know Brian, you, you kind of made a little point here.
• 48:10
  You wanted to mention him because he could potentially
• 48:12
  show up. Yeah, I mean, if he shows up,
• 48:16
  he's going to be the guy that that's going to have set the
• 48:19
  pace for them. He kind of has to in that sense
• 48:24
  because he is their leading guy. And if you're talking about
• 48:27
  going down, I believe Noah Vaughn, too, is going to be the
• 48:34
  next guy up. He is a sophomore and in seven
• 48:38
  games he has 30 carries. And you just kind of rubber
• 48:42
  stamp what I was saying earlier here, Robbie.
• 48:44
  You know, knowing Kitchens a little bit more there, if the
• 48:48
  wide zone is not successful, they're going to struggle.
• 48:50
  Everything in the offense kind of builds off the success of
• 48:52
  that play. So if they're struggling there,
• 48:54
  it's going to be a trickle down effect.
• 48:56
  And we saw that against SMU. We saw it against some other
• 48:58
  teams as as well, so. Hey.
• 49:01
  Hey Shelton, your pressure rate thing is absolutely on par with
• 49:05
  how they do. Statistically, they are 132 of
• 49:11
  133 and sacks allowed. They almost don't give up four
• 49:14
  sacks per game. So Shelton mentioned pressure
• 49:17
  rates. Not only are they getting
• 49:19
  pressure, teams are finishing them off as well when it comes
• 49:22
  to that. Couple more folks to talk about
• 49:24
  here, Bryant, I know that you wanted to hit up Malachi Fields,
• 49:29
  who obviously is their key guy when it comes to passing the
• 49:34
  ball. Shelton, I'll let you get the
• 49:36
  data up here, but just Ron, what are you seeing on the tape?
• 49:39
  And then Shelton, if you get a chance, let's talk about some of
• 49:43
  where he's what he's good at. Yeah.
• 49:46
  I mean, he's their primary threat down the field, good at
• 49:50
  high pointing the ball, making catches in traffic.
• 49:53
  So he's going to be the guy that's going to be kind of the
• 49:56
  beginning and end of their big play potential.
• 49:58
  You know, there's some a couple other guys out there that have
• 50:03
  you've done some things here and there, but really it kind of
• 50:05
  starts and ends with what Malachi feels has been doing.
• 50:09
  Also to note, Trell Harris hasn't been available most of
• 50:12
  the year. Looks like he is going to be
• 50:14
  available. He's kind of a very yeah,
• 50:18
  specific use receiver kind of on the younger end there, but he is
• 50:23
  a guy that is a red zone threat. So, you know, keep an eye on him
• 50:26
  from that perspective, especially with him coming back.
• 50:28
  There's a couple other guys, you know, like Andre Green and and
• 50:31
  Chris Tyree that are out there, but they haven't been the
• 50:33
  factors I think that Eva thought they were going to be this year.
• 50:37
  Poor Chris Tyree. Yeah, it it's, you know, talk
• 50:40
  about somebody that, yeah, at least Notre Dame was utilizing
• 50:44
  him as a as a gadget type player.
• 50:48
  Whether we're out of the backfield or at a true wide
• 50:50
  receiver spot, UVA really has not maximized his potential at
• 50:53
  all. It's really kind of beginning in
• 50:56
  with Malachi Fields from a wide receiver perspective.
• 50:59
  We got another guy that we'll talk about a little bit too that
• 51:02
  kind of supplements that. Yeah, but.
• 51:05
  Let's go back to Chris Tyree for a second because Chris Tyree at
• 51:08
  Notre Dame basically three years thousand plus rushing yards add
• 51:12
  another 400 in the past in three years also was a legit kick
• 51:16
  return specialist and everything just went this way.
• 51:23
  And if y'all remember when he came out, Chris, when Chris
• 51:27
  Tyree came out, I mean, Chris Tyree was like was like a top
• 51:30
  150 player that went to Notre Dame from Elsie Byrd down here
• 51:33
  in Richmond. And when he went to Notre Dame
• 51:37
  and you saw the production, it's like, well, they can't do
• 51:39
  everything with him, but it's like he's building his skill set
• 51:42
  to basically he has a chance to go to the next level.
• 51:46
  He's submarine that this year and what he's done at EBA.
• 51:50
  And it sucks. It sucks for him because he was
• 51:53
  a hell of an athlete. I can't remember, did he win
• 51:58
  back in 2019? I felt like maybe he was the
• 52:01
  prep player of the Year, Jeff, and I know you were doing some
• 52:04
  stuff with RTV back then. Was he Prep Player of the Year
• 52:07
  back in 2019? Actually done 20/19 was before
• 52:10
  my time. I don't know, but but yeah, I've
• 52:13
  actually, I would actually, I have a slightly different take.
• 52:15
  I, I think his production in Notre Dame was a little bit of a
• 52:18
  red flag because he averaged less yards per carry in 2022
• 52:22
  than Keyshawn King did behind that Notre Dame online.
• 52:26
  So I, I think it was more a case of like this guy was not quite
• 52:29
  living up to the potential that maybe some people, you know,
• 52:31
  thought, thought he did goes to UVA, you know, just doesn't
• 52:36
  really produce, you know, he's one of the lowest rated guys on
• 52:39
  PFF. Andre Green, another guy that
• 52:41
  went to UNC, came back to UVA and also is not produced.
• 52:44
  So what what does that say about some Virginia's skill guys?
• 52:48
  I don't know, but maybe that's a conversation for another day.
• 52:50
  Another day, were you able to find anything on Malachi fields?
• 52:54
  Yeah, he's been pretty solid this year overall.
• 52:56
  PFF likes him as the number 4 graded receiver in the ACC yards
• 53:03
  per catch, not eye popping, but you know, pretty solid and
• 53:08
  average average chef at the target about 12 yards.
• 53:10
  So a little bit more intermediate, not not too much,
• 53:13
  you know, going deep a lot. But he's he's definitely been, I
• 53:16
  would say, you know, their most productive overall wide
• 53:20
  receiver, not that, you know, the competition is particularly
• 53:23
  stiff, but he's kind of the one guy you want to watch out for
• 53:25
  the most. What a subtle, backhanded
• 53:28
  comments. Oh, my God, that's great if you
• 53:34
  didn't catch it. The wide receiver, he's a good
• 53:36
  wide receiver, but the competition he's playing with is
• 53:39
  not that stiff. That's the why is the only
• 53:40
  reason he's looking good, per Shelton Moss.
• 53:43
  All right, Brian, one more guy. Let's hit him up.
• 53:45
  Let's talk about Tyler Neville, the tight end.
• 53:48
  What you got on him? Yeah.
• 53:51
  I mean, when we talk about the other competition not standing
• 53:54
  up, I mean, Neville is what, the number 2 receiver on this team
• 53:59
  at tight end position. So that tells you a little bit
• 54:01
  about what's going on, on the UVA side of things there.
• 54:05
  And he's really their kind of outlet guy.
• 54:07
  He's the guy that's going to help them move the sticks and
• 54:09
  and keep the drive matriculating down the field there.
• 54:14
  There's a definitely big safety valve for Calandria or Musket,
• 54:17
  whoever we see. Again, I'm still expecting
• 54:19
  Calandria, but who the fuck knows at this point.
• 54:23
  I've heard that there's some some locker room drama going on
• 54:27
  with that situation. So we'll see how that plays out
• 54:30
  and what effect that that's had on, you know, the output that
• 54:34
  this team has had in the back half of the schedule.
• 54:38
  But now, I mean, Neville's kind of very, very balanced guy, but
• 54:40
  he also is is very effective in the passing game, which I think
• 54:43
  is where he's going to probably serve the biggest purpose in
• 54:46
  this game all. Righty, so there's kind of a
• 54:50
  quick look at the Virginia side of the ball.
• 54:52
  I'm going to make this real one last real quick kind of
• 54:57
  comparison before we get into our keys and everything.
• 55:00
  So I, I, I always keep up. I'm a total offense guy, not
• 55:04
  scoring. I always, I, I love to lean on
• 55:07
  Shelton for the deeper metrics, but somehow there are two, five
• 55:13
  and six teams meeting Saturday and somehow, even though as bad
• 55:16
  as their offensive line is, they are just one, one position
• 55:22
  behind the Hokies in total offense.
• 55:24
  Total offense for the Hokies is 84th.
• 55:26
  UVA is 85th. So just put that on there and
• 55:31
  let's get to the keys of the game here.
• 55:35
  Shelton. I'll let you Mull over a second.
• 55:37
  Brian, what's your key to this game?
• 55:42
  The key to this game is keep the damn cup at all cost.
• 55:46
  You know, I think when we look at the importance of this from a
• 55:50
  long term perspective, I I think getting the extra practices in
• 55:54
  for a bowl is important for this team because it is it's a team
• 55:59
  that is both very young and, and, and very experienced at the
• 56:03
  same time. So you got a lot of players that
• 56:06
  are out of eligibility and then you got a lot of sophomores and
• 56:09
  freshmen that are seeing some significant snaps.
• 56:12
  So I think getting those guys some extra snaps, whether it is
• 56:16
  helping with potential draft stock for the guys that are
• 56:19
  running out of eligibility, that are going to be draft eligible
• 56:21
  or want to be draft eligible. And then the guys, you know,
• 56:25
  further down the Pike, getting them some extra practices where
• 56:27
  they're a little bit more prepared to take on more
• 56:29
  leadership roles as we roll into 2025.
• 56:32
  And this is regardless of what happens with the coaching staff
• 56:35
  top down to bottom, all of these things are going to be important
• 56:39
  rolling into 2025. So that winning the Cup, keeping
• 56:42
  the Cup, getting those extra practices, hopefully getting
• 56:45
  another win in a bowl game, getting back to seven and at
• 56:49
  least saying, you know, despite everything, we didn't take a
• 56:52
  step back, even though we didn't take the step forward that we
• 56:55
  thought we saw coming. All righty, Shelton, what about
• 57:00
  you? What's your feet in this game?
• 57:02
  I'd say try to, you know, maintain some level efficiency
• 57:05
  on the ground game. I mean, I think if, if Vt
• 57:08
  struggles to run the ball, it's going to make it really
• 57:10
  difficult for for Pop Watson, just because, you know, now he
• 57:13
  played last week, teams have a week of film, you know, how do
• 57:16
  they adjust? You know, I think that's going
• 57:18
  to be a big key. I could certainly foresee a
• 57:20
  situation in which maybe, you know, Pop struggles under the
• 57:24
  under the spotlight and maybe, you know, UK rattles him.
• 57:26
  They, you know, they disguise coverages, they they make life
• 57:28
  hell for him and maybe he can adjust.
• 57:31
  And so if that's the case, then you got to be able to run the
• 57:33
  ball. So, you know, I don't know if
• 57:35
  you know, I, I expect tune to play.
• 57:37
  Obviously, you know, he he said that in the in the presser this
• 57:40
  week. So he's going to gut it out and
• 57:42
  you got to find a way to get some chunk plays.
• 57:43
  And I think tune and O liner are definitely going to have to, you
• 57:45
  know, step up and perform big time this this Saturday.
• 57:50
  All right. I've, I've said so much about
• 57:55
  the keys all year, a lot of different things.
• 57:58
  And it's kind of what Shelton just said right there, keep Pop
• 58:02
  Watson clean if he is indeed the starter, which is looking like
• 58:05
  that's probably going to be the potential.
• 58:09
  And then for the other one, what you have to kind of think about
• 58:15
  is we've mentioned it a couple times already is we have to
• 58:20
  pressure Anthony Calandria. We have to.
• 58:24
  And when I say that, it just means to me, if we're standing
• 58:29
  Calandria space pretty much all game, I think this is going to
• 58:35
  be potentially maybe A1 score game.
• 58:38
  We win. But that's the two things.
• 58:42
  It's keep pop clean and it's basically keep Calandria on the
• 58:46
  ground the whole fucking game. All righty as y'all know this,
• 58:51
  it's been an hour and Jonathan Tally is not here tonight.
• 58:54
  And Jonathan Tally had some stuff come up family wise kind
• 58:58
  of last minute. He was always expecting to get
• 59:01
  in here. I think it was about 5:00 our
• 59:02
  time. He messaged us, says hey, can't
• 59:04
  roll, something's happened. Pretty sure everything's all
• 59:07
  right. Usually Tally will let us know
• 59:09
  if more is going on, but obviously I had to ask for his
• 59:12
  prediction and so I'm going to leave with that real quick
• 59:14
  before I get to Shelton, Brian and then myself.
• 59:17
  And y'all. Tally's down bad.
• 59:20
  Tally's down bad. Tally thinks that UVA takes this
• 59:23
  game 28 to 21. What say you, Shelton Moss?
• 59:32
  I'm going to take I'm going to take Vt 31 to 21.
• 59:36
  I think they're going to get like a a less.
• 59:39
  I think we're going to get like a late field goal to make it a
• 59:41
  A2 score game. So that way we can live with the
• 59:44
  misery of Brent probably being bad at one score games.
• 59:47
  So, so we'll we'll avoid having one score win for the first time
• 59:52
  in three years. So yeah, I'll take PT.
• 59:56
  Brian. I wanted to pick against us so
• 1:00:00
  bad, but just looking at UVA and what they've done recently, I
• 1:00:05
  just even with if Pop Watson is the starter, I think we've got a
• 1:00:10
  a very good chance of coming away with the W at home in lane.
• 1:00:15
  Bowl eligibility of the line, Cup on the line.
• 1:00:18
  Give me a 3124 victory for the Hokies and Brent Pry gets his
• 1:00:26
  second one score victory of his tenure and you know it may be
• 1:00:33
  one that you know he can build on for 2025.
• 1:00:40
  All righty, I get to go last and as most people who know me
• 1:00:44
  personally, I'll probably know I am a pretty positive person.
• 1:00:49
  I am I am a pretty positive individual regardless what you
• 1:00:52
  see on here on Tuesday nights, because this is where I get to
• 1:00:56
  been about Hokie football, get to hold it in for a few days and
• 1:00:58
  let it all come out here. But I'm at the point right now
• 1:01:02
  in my head, I I I can't see this team win.
• 1:01:05
  I can't I just can't. I think right now you lose
• 1:01:08
  another close game where you literally had so many things
• 1:01:12
  that went against you. You're right there.
• 1:01:14
  You should have easily have taken it.
• 1:01:17
  So I think, and I am hoping I'm wrong and y'all can all talk
• 1:01:21
  shit to me next week. I'll be the happiest person to
• 1:01:24
  take it. I think they snapped the 26th
• 1:01:27
  game or 26 year losing streak in Blacksburg on Saturday night.
• 1:01:33
  It's a one score game. 3127 bad guys.
• 1:01:39
  So there it is. All righty, we'll.
• 1:01:41
  Split house here we'll split house split.
• 1:01:44
  House cuz me and Tally were dead.
• 1:01:46
  You know why? Cuz me and Tally last week
• 1:01:48
  literally said Duke were going to win.
• 1:01:51
  We had we had it on the notes. That was how we felt and we
• 1:01:54
  flipped it at the last possible second for whatever reason.
• 1:01:59
  Now Brian real quick got to make an announcement here.
• 1:02:04
  So a couple things happened. We never heard from our original
• 1:02:10
  winner of the pyramid. So what do we have to do?
• 1:02:14
  Well, we threw all the names back in there.
• 1:02:17
  We pressed the button and the new winner, and you have two
• 1:02:21
  weeks. You have two weeks.
• 1:02:23
  So what day will it be? 17 All right.
• 1:02:30
  You cannot math. 10th I can't math December 10th December 10th
• 1:02:36
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• 1:02:51
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• 1:03:03
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• 1:03:07
  All righty so we're going to move forward.
• 1:03:09
  We have a few more things we're going to talk about football
• 1:03:11
  related but as you all know it is Thanksgiving week and if
• 1:03:19
  y'all don't know we are some hungry people at the Boundary
• 1:03:22
  Corner podcast. We always eat Brian cooking up a
• 1:03:25
  big meal this year for his family.
• 1:03:27
  Two turkeys, baby. Two turkeys?
• 1:03:30
  Are you heading back in town or? Back to Richmond.
• 1:03:33
  Headed back to Richmond, eat with his family at one
• 1:03:37
  Thanksgiving already at my sister's this weekend.
• 1:03:40
  It was delicious. It was great.
• 1:03:43
  Obviously Thursday here in Richmond as well.
• 1:03:47
  We are actually my mother in law's doing Turkey dress.
• 1:03:50
  We're doing the whole Turkey here.
• 1:03:51
  So the first time doing that as a family and one of our buddies
• 1:03:57
  that we chat with all the time by the name of Andrew Karen
• 1:04:02
  through this out here. And I I want to hear it not only
• 1:04:06
  from us on the US here on the podcast.
• 1:04:09
  I want to see if y'all out there, whether Twitter, YouTube,
• 1:04:13
  Facebook, and it's the following and I'm going to Callie sent me
• 1:04:18
  his and our wonderful contributing writer, Miranda
• 1:04:20
  Senator third, but what is your core 4 on a plate of
• 1:04:25
  Thanksgiving? You only had four items you
• 1:04:27
  could put. What would you put?
• 1:04:29
  Gravy is a side. Gravy is not a side.
• 1:04:32
  Gravy is a spa in this situation.
• 1:04:35
  All right, I'm going to start with Sally first.
• 1:04:38
  Sally said he's going to go with the dresses and gimps and Turkey
• 1:04:41
  with Mac and cheese and a little sweet with the yank.
• 1:04:45
  I got that. Miranda, very similar here.
• 1:04:48
  She's going Turkey with mashed potatoes, with stuffing, with
• 1:04:52
  green bean casserole. Not not a sweet or Miranda.
• 1:04:56
  Ron Sigler. That's my turn.
• 1:04:59
  What's your score for? All right, all right, I got to
• 1:05:02
  go Turkey, got to go dressing, got to go Mac and cheese.
• 1:05:08
  My 4th is going to be green beans of whatever variety.
• 1:05:11
  So I will, I will go with some sort of green bean, whether it
• 1:05:14
  be, you know, with some, with some ham hocks, whether it be
• 1:05:19
  green bean casserole, you know, whatever form of green beans
• 1:05:22
  you're giving me. We'll put it on there.
• 1:05:24
  Jason threw it, threw a little a little aside there with the
• 1:05:28
  deviled eggs. He threw the deviled eggs in
• 1:05:30
  there. And that's got me rethinking my
• 1:05:32
  green bean selection. But I'm going to stick with the
• 1:05:34
  green beans. Oh, he goes ham.
• 1:05:37
  Yes, some places do serve ham. I'll be considering deviled eggs
• 1:05:42
  an actual side here. How There's some there's some
• 1:05:45
  Gray area here. I consider deviled eggs an
• 1:05:48
  actual side. OK, I'll consider that.
• 1:05:50
  I'll. Sauce and can't be put on
• 1:05:52
  anything. You know what then?
• 1:05:53
  Deviled eggs might trump green beans here, so let's go fucking
• 1:05:56
  doubled eggs. Ryan's going down a little eggs.
• 1:05:57
  He's kicking the greens to the. 2nd, thank you, Jason.
• 1:05:59
  Thank you. Shelton Moss, what about you?
• 1:06:03
  In order of preference, obviously we're going Turkey,
• 1:06:06
  although I am a big hand band as well.
• 1:06:07
  So if you want to substitute that, you can mashed potatoes
• 1:06:11
  and gravy. That's my number one side.
• 1:06:12
  You can't have a can't have a dinner without mashed potatoes
• 1:06:14
  and gravy. And then we'll go Mac and cheese
• 1:06:17
  and then we will go I guess green beans as well.
• 1:06:21
  Just get some, get some vegetables in there, make a
• 1:06:23
  little bit healthy. There you go.
• 1:06:25
  All right. I'm going to throw up a couple
• 1:06:26
  other folks here. That was my inclination.
• 1:06:29
  And then I saw deviled eggs. I'm like, OK, all right, all
• 1:06:33
  right. Your boy here not a big Deviled
• 1:06:35
  Legs fan? There's Josh Young.
• 1:06:39
  Irrespectable. Hey, Jim Casserole.
• 1:06:42
  Hey, Jim, with the with the cranberry sauce, the can joint.
• 1:06:48
  Oh, man, Jim. Jim started in the sweets
• 1:06:52
  earlier right here. Yeah, man, let me go up to
• 1:06:54
  Robbie real quick. I think you might have put it
• 1:06:56
  up. There you go.
• 1:06:59
  All right. I, I'd, I'd eventually pivot
• 1:07:01
  over to Robbie's version there. So yeah, we're we're good there
• 1:07:04
  all. Right, I am going to go as
• 1:07:06
  follows. First of all, Turkey and mashed
• 1:07:08
  potatoes, both with gravy on them.
• 1:07:10
  Get it on there, layer it up, make it all good.
• 1:07:14
  Next, something to my wife's, I love.
• 1:07:17
  She has a delicious corn pudding, absolutely lovely, a
• 1:07:23
  little sweet. Got to have it, especially as
• 1:07:25
  heavy as the Turkey, mashed potatoes and and gravy is.
• 1:07:33
  And then give me a broccoli casserole.
• 1:07:35
  Give me a broccoli casserole. I like.
• 1:07:37
  I need a little bit of cheese in my life there.
• 1:07:40
  Although I did have we didn't have broccoli casserole, my
• 1:07:43
  sisters. So I did have a giant portion of
• 1:07:45
  Mac and cheese, but you know, throw a little greens in there
• 1:07:48
  and Yep, you know, it's always fun.
• 1:07:54
  We'd love to hear y'all's as well because I mean I'm going to
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  be basically starting to starting pretty much tomorrow
• 1:08:06
  through Sunday. Lots of football, lots of food,
• 1:08:09
  lots of family, a lot of good stuff over the next 5 days.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah, I put the turkeys in the brine just before we jumped on
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  here. Curtis jumped on.
• 1:08:18
  He saw I had the the mic muted. The the camera stopped.
• 1:08:21
  I was. I was in there trapping the
• 1:08:23
  turkeys, man, getting those bad boys ready, smoking.
• 1:08:26
  Them or you dropping them? Oh yeah, I'm smoking both of
• 1:08:29
  them, getting a full 24 hour brine in there and I'm going to
• 1:08:33
  let them air dry out in the fridge overnight and then first
• 1:08:37
  thing in the morning they're on the smoker.
• 1:08:39
  All right, let's keep it rolling here and we will be eating good.
• 1:08:43
  Maybe I'll come to your house Friday and just.
• 1:08:46
  Eat all the rest. Plenty of leftovers, man.
• 1:08:48
  Exactly. Maybe I'll come over Friday.
• 1:08:49
  All right, let's hit it real quick.
• 1:08:51
  College Football Playoff poll released tonight.
• 1:08:56
  Obviously the chaos that happened in college football,
• 1:09:00
  especially down the SEC this weekend.
• 1:09:02
  Count throws everything, your top 4 hour as follows.
• 1:09:06
  Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Miami,
• 1:09:11
  Georgia, Tennessee, SMU, Indiana, Boise.
• 1:09:15
  And then believe it or not, the 12th team is Arizona State in
• 1:09:19
  first team out is Clemson. And for everybody's not aware,
• 1:09:24
  Oregon, Texas, Miami and Boise State would get your buys home
• 1:09:32
  field advantages. Ohio State, Penn State, Notre
• 1:09:35
  Dame and Georgia would be getting home field advantages,
• 1:09:41
  effectively playing these other teams.
• 1:09:44
  Anything shocked by any of this for either one of y'all?
• 1:09:48
  If y'all got to see the release about two hours ago.
• 1:09:55
  Not really. This this was actually a little
• 1:09:58
  bit more predictable than last. Like last week.
• 1:10:00
  I felt like we had a lot to talk about.
• 1:10:01
  This was kind of a as straightforward as you could
• 1:10:04
  imagine. I mean, you could you could, you
• 1:10:06
  know, squabble a little bit over up one, down one, but there
• 1:10:10
  there isn't the egregious What the fuck are they doing there in
• 1:10:14
  in in this one? It's true.
• 1:10:17
  I I I agree wholeheartedly with you.
• 1:10:19
  It's like they got it right. The Big 12 is definitely
• 1:10:24
  officially A1 dead league. ACC potentially sneak two in the
• 1:10:29
  Clemson a game we're going to pick in a little while here.
• 1:10:32
  That game is massive for Clemson's.
• 1:10:36
  Yep. IU probably has life if Indiana
• 1:10:39
  can beat Purdue. The terrible Purdue team for the
• 1:10:42
  old Oaken Bucket, which is a game I almost chose, but if not.
• 1:10:48
  Robbie got was very right and very wrong last week.
• 1:10:51
  He's like, Indiana's going to get blown out.
• 1:10:55
  They basically did, basically did.
• 1:10:58
  And but they that that did not disqualify them here.
• 1:11:02
  He thought it, he thought it was going to, but the SEC losses
• 1:11:05
  definitely gave them some life. Well, it's the SEC losses to the
• 1:11:10
  average teams, the teams that have been basically.
• 1:11:13
  Meddling. Yeah, meddling.
• 1:11:15
  You know, you can't continue to pile again.
• 1:11:18
  I screamed it last week a little bit.
• 1:11:21
  Wins have to eventually matter. You, you, you.
• 1:11:25
  If a nine and three team makes it in this year, it's just going
• 1:11:28
  to be one of those like, well, if you're a tween team that wins
• 1:11:32
  10 or 11 games and you're left out, like what the fuck can I do
• 1:11:35
  different? I literally won 80% of my games
• 1:11:39
  this year and you're letting the team that won 70% of theirs in.
• 1:11:44
  So, you know, that's all I can say about that.
• 1:11:47
  So it will be interesting as we go in.
• 1:11:50
  I think next week's is going to be a lot of fun.
• 1:11:54
  True. Great point, Jason.
• 1:11:56
  Unbelievable point, Jason. All right, one last piece I do
• 1:11:59
  want to hit up before we go to big screeners.
• 1:12:03
  I do not know if y'all, if you aren't, you should follow Doug
• 1:12:07
  Bowman, who was with 247. Doug Bowman basically looked at
• 1:12:13
  the BT Board of visitors meeting that they had, I think it was
• 1:12:18
  last week, in which Tim Sands basically stated the following
• 1:12:24
  athletic department is basically going to get a 1% budget
• 1:12:28
  increase in the next couple years.
• 1:12:32
  Now you sit here and say that's one fucking percent.
• 1:12:37
  What the hell is that? Anybody know the annual budget
• 1:12:40
  for Virginia Tech or you know, any sort of big university like
• 1:12:44
  that? Anybody 1.
• 1:12:47
  Day Athletic Athletics. Budget.
• 1:12:49
  No, no, no, not athletic because it's the entire university
• 1:12:51
  budget right now. Athletics gets 5%.
• 1:12:56
  Tim Sands is basically saying it's going to go to six.
• 1:12:58
  But do you know how big a budget is for the school in general?
• 1:13:02
  I mean at least nine figures. 2.3 billion, so it's 10.
• 1:13:10
  Figures, yeah. Yeah, so 2.3 billion and people
• 1:13:15
  are like, well, what's 1%? So roughly right now the budget
• 1:13:18
  is like 125. It would probably go to close to
• 1:13:22
  140 when that happens. The other thing that's sneaky
• 1:13:27
  about this, if y'all don't pay any, go go read that letter.
• 1:13:31
  Tim Sands is making a political move to potentially get the
• 1:13:34
  athletic fee higher, however you feel about that.
• 1:13:39
  And I know Shelton, you went there, you had to pay that.
• 1:13:42
  I was part of your tuition every year.
• 1:13:44
  Not something you can never get back, but with a school of
• 1:13:48
  30,000 people and the amount that they have to pay if it hit
• 1:13:54
  the highest end, which would be $2000, basically would add an
• 1:13:58
  extra $32 million to the sports budget.
• 1:14:02
  So anybody in favor of 50 million extra dollars in the
• 1:14:06
  athletic department budget? Brian, you're being very quiet
• 1:14:10
  because I think he's about to give the take that we talked
• 1:14:12
  about. Well, I'm, I'm of two minds
• 1:14:16
  because. So let's go back in time a
• 1:14:21
  little bit. Let's go back to let's go back
• 1:14:25
  to 2000. Let's, let's, let's talk about
• 1:14:27
  the enrollment boost of Michael Vick of playing for the national
• 1:14:35
  championship. So let's talk about that and
• 1:14:38
  then we let's compare that to the product on the field and the
• 1:14:44
  idea that students should be paying more for that product.
• 1:14:50
  So it's it's, it's the classic catch 22 because you, you need
• 1:14:56
  the money to be competitive. But if you're to, if you're
• 1:15:01
  getting the money and you're still not competitive, you're
• 1:15:04
  going to have a backlash. We're already seeing that this
• 1:15:07
  season, right? You know, you went, you went
• 1:15:10
  full bore. We're talking, we're talking
• 1:15:11
  about the NIL situation with basketball.
• 1:15:14
  And we see what that looks like. We saw it last night.
• 1:15:19
  We've seen it the last couple games.
• 1:15:22
  We see where the state of of, of the athletic department is with
• 1:15:25
  NIL and how we went all in with football.
• 1:15:28
  And we're getting kind of basically the same results,
• 1:15:30
  right? So now you're talking about
• 1:15:34
  adding student fees onto that as part of essentially with budgets
• 1:15:40
  being commingled now between NIL and the athletic department
• 1:15:44
  budget, all of that could potentially go in towards paying
• 1:15:48
  players, you know, whatever the athletic department needs at
• 1:15:51
  that given time. So I think if you don't see some
• 1:15:56
  success in the very near term with that strategy, there's
• 1:16:00
  going to be a backlash in enrollment.
• 1:16:03
  And I know that there's other states, other schools doing it,
• 1:16:09
  but I think from from Virginia Tech's perspective, you're going
• 1:16:13
  to see some backlash. Shelton Yeah.
• 1:16:16
  I mean, give me whatever you want to give me on this man.
• 1:16:19
  Again, it's your alma mater. It's something you had to pay.
• 1:16:22
  It's something that's looked at. Obviously parents are going to
• 1:16:25
  look at it. Kids are going to look at it.
• 1:16:27
  Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, you guys, you guys know,
• 1:16:29
  I'm, I'm a huge fan of college sports and I want, I want to see
• 1:16:32
  investment and and see VTV competitive.
• 1:16:34
  But you know, passing on the cost to the consumer is
• 1:16:36
  something I always have have issue with just because, you
• 1:16:39
  know, we're we're already paying for the tickets, the TV, the TV
• 1:16:43
  fees and essentially subsidizing the entire athletic department.
• 1:16:45
  Now we've got to pay on top of that BNIL stuff.
• 1:16:49
  So, and then, you know, potentially student fees, you
• 1:16:51
  know, adding, adding student fees, which I mean, they can't
• 1:16:53
  do legally because VE has a set a set fee right now.
• 1:16:57
  But yeah, I don't know man. I just think it when you look at
• 1:17:00
  big picture, you know, obviously these cause of like departments
• 1:17:02
  have gone by decades without having to pay players.
• 1:17:05
  Now they've got to reinvest that money into the players and it's
• 1:17:07
  created some budget shortfalls and they're they've got to find
• 1:17:10
  a way to make up the money somehow.
• 1:17:11
  So I think Tim Sands is going to be good here.
• 1:17:13
  I know he, you know, he's on leadership council for D1 and I
• 1:17:18
  think he has a good understanding of what DT needs
• 1:17:20
  and how to manage the money. But I just think it's
• 1:17:24
  unfortunate that, you know, we are in a situation like Brian
• 1:17:28
  said, where we're investing more than we've invested in decades
• 1:17:31
  and the product has not changed at all.
• 1:17:34
  I I also think that, you know, we're getting to the point now
• 1:17:38
  where it seems to me like investment in players is going
• 1:17:40
  to be more important than investment in coaches.
• 1:17:42
  But what does that look like in the intermediate?
• 1:17:45
  I mean, we don't know exactly. So lots of uncertainty for sure,
• 1:17:48
  but I would say that, you know, this is probably a time if you
• 1:17:52
  have like department where they're they're trying to play
• 1:17:53
  things safe and be calculated and and risk averse so that they
• 1:17:58
  are set up well for the next stage of college sports where,
• 1:18:01
  you know, we we're we're now paying players and it's a very,
• 1:18:04
  you know, very much like a kind of a pro system.
• 1:18:07
  And I, I trust, you know, Witt and tans and sync on that
• 1:18:10
  particular front. But there's going to be, I think
• 1:18:14
  it's, it might, it might get worse before it gets better.
• 1:18:16
  I guess I'll put it that way. Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  We're in that kind of Gray area too.
• 1:18:20
  And I mean, I know a lot of people.
• 1:18:23
  I think there's a, you know, we saw from the poll, there's a
• 1:18:27
  small but vocal majority that very much want Whit Babcock out
• 1:18:32
  of the athletic department. And there's part of that subset
• 1:18:38
  that very much does not think that Sayings cares enough about
• 1:18:44
  sports to follow through on the lip service that he's given.
• 1:18:49
  And I, I don't know where the reality of that actually is from
• 1:18:55
  a long term perspective. But when I look at Virginia Tech
• 1:18:59
  football and I look at kind of where we were behind, I, I, I
• 1:19:07
  think the problem that Virginia Tech football has is that we
• 1:19:10
  were behind on overhauling our recruiting for so long.
• 1:19:16
  We were behind on, you know, a handful of the facilities things
• 1:19:22
  that I think needed to be in place maybe a little bit
• 1:19:25
  earlier. I know facilities are kind of
• 1:19:28
  falling out of favor in terms of major investment.
• 1:19:31
  But when you look at a locker room and I know that that's
• 1:19:35
  that's coming, but that's put us at a disadvantage, I feel like
• 1:19:41
  from a just meeting the the minimum required level of, you
• 1:19:49
  know, power for competitive advantage from that front.
• 1:19:53
  So I feel like we've been a little bit behind on those
• 1:19:55
  things, some of those cosmetic things that I think do have
• 1:20:00
  small influences over, you know, players.
• 1:20:04
  And now we're in a situation where we've got to weigh that,
• 1:20:07
  investing in that, investing in staff, potentially overhauling a
• 1:20:10
  staff partially this offseason with still fully investing in
• 1:20:16
  bringing in as many high quality athletes as we can with NIO and
• 1:20:22
  that's a tough place to be in. It it really is a tough place to
• 1:20:26
  be in. It is a changing landscape,
• 1:20:28
  something that really we have not seen in our lifetimes when
• 1:20:33
  it comes to this. And again, how they go about it
• 1:20:36
  really over the next two or three years is going to
• 1:20:40
  determine where Virginia Tech stands at the end of it.
• 1:20:44
  And you know, we can say, well, the if the product isn't good,
• 1:20:48
  you know, people are going to get sick and tired of it.
• 1:20:51
  But but boys, I'll say this. Take a look at some of those
• 1:20:54
  passionate fan bases across this country.
• 1:20:57
  They don't have good teams. Look at Mississippi State out
• 1:21:01
  there all the time screaming for their team and they have not
• 1:21:05
  even been damn SEC championship game.
• 1:21:11
  Think about that. So how are you going to compete
• 1:21:14
  with that? How are you going to get upset
• 1:21:18
  and say, well, we need to just go ahead and start cutting all
• 1:21:20
  this stuff off? You really can't.
• 1:21:24
  That's my opinion. It might not be one that people
• 1:21:27
  like a lot. So kind of is what it is.
• 1:21:32
  All right, so let's move on y'all and let's get down to big
• 1:21:36
  screeners where it's always going to be a lot of fun.
• 1:21:39
  And for this week, hold up Brian, you didn't send me the
• 1:21:44
  four. I don't know who's winning, I
• 1:21:46
  don't know who's losing. Just know we're all out there
• 1:21:49
  floating around 500 somewhere. So if you bet with us, you might
• 1:21:53
  win, you might lose. That's all I'm going to say.
• 1:21:55
  But Brian on where you going on this one?
• 1:22:00
  And we're heading to College Station, baby.
• 1:22:05
  We are heading out there. A&M is a six point home dog to
• 1:22:12
  Texas. And you know what I think I
• 1:22:15
  think Vegas got that about right.
• 1:22:17
  I think it's going to be about a touchdown win for the Longhorns
• 1:22:20
  to give me Texas here all. Right, this is a massive games
• 1:22:24
  when it comes to really the playoffs implications.
• 1:22:29
  The winner of this game goes to the SEC championship.
• 1:22:33
  It's going to be Saturday night. It's going to be 112,000 people
• 1:22:36
  at Kyle Field. I like Texas A&M getting 6
• 1:22:40
  points, but I don't think they're going to win.
• 1:22:45
  I think Texas is going to take this by field goal. 3128 Texas
• 1:22:49
  wins, A&M covers Sheldon. Yeah, I think Texas is going to
• 1:22:54
  smack him around a little bit. I think it'll be relatively
• 1:22:57
  close, but Texas will cover. I just don't like the way AM is
• 1:23:00
  playing right now all. Righty and I am on an island
• 1:23:05
  here. On an island, baby.
• 1:23:07
  Everybody else Tally, Miranda and Jason says hook em forms.
• 1:23:11
  Where are we going, Curtis? We are going to Athens, GA for a
• 1:23:16
  little clean, old fashioned hate.
• 1:23:19
  Georgia Bulldogs home team getting 19 1/2 points versus
• 1:23:24
  Georgia Tech. And, and on this one, Georgia
• 1:23:28
  already locked into the SEC championship game.
• 1:23:32
  But I don't think they can. They cannot.
• 1:23:34
  They can. I'll afford to take it out of
• 1:23:36
  conference loss at 9:00 and 2:00.
• 1:23:37
  They cannot go nine and three. But Georgia Tech has fought
• 1:23:42
  everybody tooth and nail all year.
• 1:23:44
  The game last year was tooth and nail.
• 1:23:48
  So one thing I was looking at and I want to see where it is
• 1:23:52
  because I got a feeling we're going to all stick on here, is I
• 1:23:58
  think Haines King is going to play, which is pretty big for
• 1:24:03
  them. He's dated he's day-to-day, but
• 1:24:09
  I think 19 1/2 is too much. Georgia at some point has to
• 1:24:12
  decide probably to turn the The Jets off because what you do not
• 1:24:16
  want happening is somebody to break their leg or some serious
• 1:24:19
  injury happen. Give me Georgia Tech, it's 19
• 1:24:24
  1/2. Georgia still wins, but closer
• 1:24:27
  than what the experts out in Vegas think.
• 1:24:31
  Yeah, they got this one wrong. To me, I think that's going to
• 1:24:33
  be about A2 touchdown win for Georgia.
• 1:24:35
  I think Georgia Tech's going to keep it close.
• 1:24:38
  You know, Georgia might pull away a little bit at the end.
• 1:24:40
  I don't think it's going to be, you know, worth 3 scores there.
• 1:24:43
  So I want to take Georgia Tech as well.
• 1:24:46
  Sean. Yeah, I'm taking Georgia Tech
• 1:24:48
  also. I just don't trust Georgia's
• 1:24:51
  offense enough to really kind of beat him up that bad.
• 1:24:53
  And I think Georgia Tech, you know, they've got enough, they
• 1:24:56
  got enough, enough talent to give within, you know, 3
• 1:24:58
  touchdowns. That defense is going to keep
• 1:25:00
  them in the game. It's it's going to make it
• 1:25:02
  pretty close. It really is.
• 1:25:05
  And Talley says Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech off the board, they
• 1:25:08
  have officially been cursed. They got the kiss of death man.
• 1:25:14
  The the the full BCP wagon here. All righty, let's go next down
• 1:25:22
  to Death Valley, Clemson, SC. This is Tally's pick y'all.
• 1:25:27
  And hang on, hang on. That's.
• 1:25:28
  Not the oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 1:25:30
  Let's go. Let's.
• 1:25:32
  Go to Shelton. Let's go 15 miles that way.
• 1:25:36
  We got a big a big time game this weekend in the Commonwealth
• 1:25:40
  Lee High playing Richmond in the first round of the FCS playoffs.
• 1:25:44
  For those who don't know, the FCS playoffs get started this
• 1:25:46
  weekend. Montana State is the one seed.
• 1:25:50
  They had an undefeated regular season and they are #1 in the
• 1:25:53
  FCS polls for the first time in 10 years.
• 1:25:55
  The usual behemoths of the FCS. North Dakota State is 2 seed and
• 1:25:59
  South Coast State is a three seed, so it should be a pretty
• 1:26:02
  interesting field. I think Richmond is a nine seed.
• 1:26:05
  So they did get seeded. The top 12 teams have a seed and
• 1:26:10
  yeah, some, some, you know, high ups for the Spiders this year as
• 1:26:15
  they try to advance past the second round of playoffs.
• 1:26:18
  Last two seasons for Richmond, they have won their first round
• 1:26:21
  games by a total of 63 points. Their head coach is Russ
• 1:26:25
  Huesman, who was formerly at Chattanooga and is as in his
• 1:26:28
  eighth season with the program. So good game.
• 1:26:32
  I think it'll be fairly close. The winner of this one will play
• 1:26:36
  Idaho all the way out in Moscow and head over to the Kiddie
• 1:26:39
  Kiddie Dome next week for the second round.
• 1:26:41
  But with all that being said, I will take Richmond.
• 1:26:44
  I like how they how they played in the first round of the
• 1:26:46
  playoffs these last couple of years.
• 1:26:47
  I think they'll have no trouble putting away the Mountain Hawks,
• 1:26:50
  and they'll advance to Idaho next week.
• 1:26:55
  You know what I'm riding with, I ride with Richmond as well.
• 1:26:57
  I got to got to keep it local here and and and ride with the
• 1:27:00
  with the home team. Those mountain hawk let that
• 1:27:02
  logo is something. I like that thing.
• 1:27:04
  Cool logo. Cool logo, but the spiders have
• 1:27:07
  always had a cool logo. My father in Give him 21.
• 1:27:20
  Yeah, yeah. And I think.
• 1:27:25
  We cursed them again. We cursed them again.
• 1:27:27
  We cursed. Them again if they lose.
• 1:27:29
  Spiders going down. If, if, if, if they do, it's
• 1:27:31
  going to be on us. Yeah, by the way, you from from
• 1:27:34
  Jason. Jason was like kind of gamblers
• 1:27:37
  picking is kind of betting on this game.
• 1:27:39
  Well, he's got to understand Shelton's love for the FCS.
• 1:27:42
  By the way, let's just be honest.
• 1:27:45
  Wouldn't it be nice to get to 1616?
• 1:27:50
  Nobody gets a bye. There's no more conference
• 1:27:52
  championship games just starts next week.
• 1:27:55
  They play 1, you skip 1, you play 1, you get to the bowls at
• 1:27:59
  home fields. I'd be down with that.
• 1:28:01
  I'd be sick as shit. We'll get there eventually.
• 1:28:04
  There we go. Eventually, yeah, it's, it's
• 1:28:07
  more games, it's more money. Of course we're going to get
• 1:28:09
  there eventually. I think, I think we'll get there
• 1:28:11
  once the the full power for whatever split, whatever the
• 1:28:17
  fuck that happens with that, whenever that officially takes
• 1:28:21
  place, I think that's when we'll get to 16, but we'll see.
• 1:28:24
  We will see. All righty, let's go next.
• 1:28:27
  This time we're going to Clemson, SC, where it is the
• 1:28:30
  Ballaloo of the Palmetto State. Also a battle in my cousin's
• 1:28:34
  household. Wife loves Clemson, he went to
• 1:28:37
  South Carolina. Son goes to South Carolina.
• 1:28:39
  Mom loves Clemson. I don't want to be in that
• 1:28:42
  house. He's never invited me over for
• 1:28:43
  Thanksgiving, for Thanksgiving. I will never go down there
• 1:28:46
  because I do not want to slip through the fighting of this
• 1:28:47
  game. This is a big game in a lot of
• 1:28:51
  senses because we mentioned just a couple minutes ago, Clemson is
• 1:28:54
  the last team out South Carolina.
• 1:28:56
  I think I had it up here in my damn web browser.
• 1:29:00
  Crash. South Carolina is like 15th and
• 1:29:03
  people are thinking that South Carolina may be able to slip in
• 1:29:06
  the back door and get in the playoff.
• 1:29:09
  I do not think that is possible at all.
• 1:29:13
  But Clemson's also a Sid and wait because Miami plays
• 1:29:17
  Syracuse and what happens if Syracuse wins and beats Miami on
• 1:29:23
  Saturday? I don't know, right?
• 1:29:27
  Y'all don't know is. That Clemson goes to the down to
• 1:29:32
  Charlotte. Clemson goes to Charlotte if the
• 1:29:34
  Syracuse, Yep, they pull it off. So Brian, what's your take on
• 1:29:40
  this one? You know, it's interesting you
• 1:29:44
  talked about South Carolina. I will say this about South
• 1:29:46
  Carolina is that if there's a three loss team that makes it,
• 1:29:51
  it might be South Carolina. Yeah, the way it's lining up,
• 1:29:55
  right? So if there's a three loss team
• 1:29:58
  that makes it, South Carolina is going to be the one.
• 1:30:00
  But I don't think they get past the Tigers here.
• 1:30:03
  I think the Tigers role, it's not going to be a big victory,
• 1:30:05
  but I think it's going to be about a about a touchdown win
• 1:30:07
  for the Tigers. I am with you on this. 2 1/2 is
• 1:30:12
  not enough. I think South Carolina, it's
• 1:30:15
  going to be a competitive game. It probably is going to be an
• 1:30:17
  entertaining game. The game should not be at noon,
• 1:30:20
  which I think it is on Saturday. That's a bunch of garbage.
• 1:30:23
  It should be later in the day, but you know I don't control the
• 1:30:26
  TV and where you put the games. Shane and the boys keep it
• 1:30:30
  close, but Clemson wins by 10. Give me 3323.
• 1:30:39
  Compounding the stakes, obviously, if Miami wins next
• 1:30:42
  this upcoming week, Clemson won't be able to get another
• 1:30:45
  chance for winning the conference title game.
• 1:30:46
  Which means, of course, that if the Tigers lose, their playoffs
• 1:30:50
  are very much in the balance. So big game.
• 1:30:52
  I think the team kind of knows, you know, the expectations.
• 1:30:56
  They've dominated this rivalry the past decade or so, lost a
• 1:30:59
  couple years ago. So they'll be pretty focused to
• 1:31:00
  like get that home win again. So I'm taking Clemson.
• 1:31:05
  There we go, Tally riding with Clemson as well.
• 1:31:10
  Miranda with the Cox. Miranda, Ron and Jason with the
• 1:31:14
  hey put up that Robbie message real quick.
• 1:31:16
  Let. Me.
• 1:31:17
  Find it here. Hang on.
• 1:31:20
  My cousin is T, He is going to be proud of you.
• 1:31:24
  Twizzler Go Cox. Twizzler is a story.
• 1:31:28
  Maybe one day, maybe a state of the program gets told.
• 1:31:32
  What do you think, Robbie? Can we tell?
• 1:31:34
  Him we got, we got about a month away, man.
• 1:31:36
  It might happen this year, depending on how much I drink.
• 1:31:38
  The story of why Robbie is known as Twizzler to my cousin.
• 1:31:42
  All right, where are we going next?
• 1:31:44
  Who is the next one? Oh, hey, State and Iowa State is
• 1:31:52
  Miranda's game. And I have been trying to pull
• 1:31:55
  this up, but my computer over here has been a pain in the ass.
• 1:31:58
  So the Big 12 is in flux because it's like four teams with two
• 1:32:02
  losses, and this is a huge one on Saturday.
• 1:32:08
  So no team in the Big 12 controls their own destiny.
• 1:32:13
  I, I will say the message that we're getting from the committee
• 1:32:17
  at this point is that, you know, four teams from SEC or, or Big
• 1:32:22
  10 or BN before 2 teams from the Big 12.
• 1:32:27
  That that's kind of the message. That's kind of the message we're
• 1:32:29
  getting right now, which is kind of, it's kind of wild, but it's,
• 1:32:33
  that's kind of where we are in the process here.
• 1:32:36
  We'll see how it plays out over the next couple weeks.
• 1:32:40
  But for this one, I'm rolling with Iowa State here.
• 1:32:45
  I think 3 at home isn't enough. If that was at 5 1/2, I'd
• 1:32:49
  probably still take it. I think this is going to be
• 1:32:52
  about a touchdown victory here for the the Cyclones.
• 1:32:55
  All right. Are you ready to hear the
• 1:32:56
  scenarios, Bron? Yeah.
• 1:32:58
  So watching Saturday, so if everybody wins Arizona State,
• 1:33:02
  BYU, Iowa State, Colorado, Arizona State, Iowa State in the
• 1:33:06
  championship game, if exactly 2 of that group win, the two
• 1:33:13
  winners will meet in the Big 12 championship game.
• 1:33:16
  OK, Yep, that makes sense. Yep, that makes sense.
• 1:33:20
  So you've ruled, you've ruled out the everybody wins or only
• 1:33:22
  two wins. Now give me the middle.
• 1:33:24
  The middle. Is a shit ton.
• 1:33:26
  Arizona State, BYU and Iowa State win and Colorado takes the
• 1:33:30
  loss. Arizona State, Iowa State,
• 1:33:34
  Arizona State BYU. Colorado win, Iowa State loses.
• 1:33:38
  Arizona State, BYU BYU Iowa State, Colorado win Arizona
• 1:33:45
  State loses. Iowa State, BYU.
• 1:33:50
  All right, here we go. Last one.
• 1:33:52
  Arizona State, Iowa State, Colorado wins and BYU loses.
• 1:33:57
  Could be either Colorado or Iowa State or Colorado, Arizona
• 1:34:05
  State. So they are really pulling for a
• 1:34:07
  BYU loss and everybody else to win.
• 1:34:11
  Then it comes Texas Tech has to beat West Virginia, Baylor has
• 1:34:15
  to beat Kansas, and Cincinnati has to beat TCU.
• 1:34:20
  If that's the case, Colorado, Iowa State.
• 1:34:22
  If Texas Tech wins and the other two or one of the other two
• 1:34:26
  lose, then it's Colorado. Arizona State, if I got that.
• 1:34:33
  No, hey. By the way, I just want to let
• 1:34:35
  y'all know though. But because we're going to a
• 1:34:37
  playoff, things aren't as important anymore to lead into
• 1:34:41
  the season. The whole fucking Big 12 begs to
• 1:34:45
  differ. Dumbasses out there.
• 1:34:48
  Oh I'm supposed to pick a game? Iowa State easily wins this one.
• 1:34:54
  Sheldon, what you got? Yeah, I think, I think the Big
• 1:34:57
  12 cannibalize itself a little bit.
• 1:34:59
  So I'm taking Gay State a big win, big win last week for them.
• 1:35:03
  Iowa State I there's something about him.
• 1:35:05
  I just don't trust him for whatever reason.
• 1:35:07
  So I think I think K State wins all.
• 1:35:09
  Right. K State wins.
• 1:35:10
  OK, he's got K State win. I'm trying to find the one over
• 1:35:12
  here where Iowa State loses Ron. Tally's got Iowa State,
• 1:35:21
  Miranda's rod with Shelton, Jason's riding with us Buddy
• 1:35:25
  all. Right, so you want the Arizona,
• 1:35:27
  you want to see the Arizona State BYU rematch, the Hail Mary
• 1:35:30
  that got caught at the three yard line might explain why you
• 1:35:34
  don't get in zone on that play. Oh man, last but not least
• 1:35:42
  would. You who would have seen this at
• 1:35:44
  the beginning of the season? With Jason to put possibility
• 1:35:50
  but who would have seen every other game that we picked has.
• 1:35:54
  But I'm talking about this line, Not, not, not the fucking game,
• 1:35:57
  but this fucking line. No, no.
• 1:36:03
  Couldn't see that happening. 3 1/2 maybe, but not that big.
• 1:36:07
  But it's kind of funny Jason comes over here and chooses this
• 1:36:11
  game. A massive line and the only one
• 1:36:14
  that has nothing riding on it. Nothing matters.
• 1:36:16
  Nothing fucking matters in this game.
• 1:36:19
  So go ahead. This is for pride of Florida,
• 1:36:22
  baby. Hey folks, welcome back to
• 1:36:48
  another week of guitar licks and gambling picks.
• 1:36:51
  It is rivalry week and I wanted to send some good vibes down to
• 1:36:55
  Blacksburg for the Hoagies. Hopefully they can finish the
• 1:36:59
  season off on a high note get themselves bowl eligible.
• 1:37:02
  Unfortunately, Virginia does not allow you to bet on in State
• 1:37:06
  Games, so therefore I'm going to have to pick another game and
• 1:37:09
  for that I'm looking down to Florida Tallahassee specifically
• 1:37:14
  for the match up between Florida and Florida State that growing
• 1:37:17
  up this used to be my favorite game of the year.
• 1:37:20
  Both of these teams used to be really good.
• 1:37:23
  They would usually be in the top five and the winner often went
• 1:37:26
  to the national championship game.
• 1:37:28
  None of that is true this year, however, Florida has turned
• 1:37:32
  things around quite significantly that a big win
• 1:37:35
  last week against Ole Miss Florida State however, is
• 1:37:38
  wrapping up what has to be called the season from hell.
• 1:37:41
  My guess is they want to end it as quickly as possible and I
• 1:37:45
  think that's exactly what Florida is going to do to them
• 1:37:47
  this weekend. So therefore I am taking Florida
• 1:37:50
  -13 1/2 on the road against Florida State, which of course
• 1:37:59
  means I get another chance to play some Tom Petty.
• 1:38:35
  Oh yes, you do.
• 1:38:53
  All right folks, let's go Gators -13 1/2 and let's go Hokies.
• 1:38:57
  I'll see you all next week for Championship week.
• 1:39:02
  All righty, he's going Gators laying a bunch of points.
• 1:39:07
  Brian, what are you doing? I'm doing the exact same damn
• 1:39:11
  thing because Florida State cannot get out of their own way.
• 1:39:14
  Florida's really kind of looking a lot better in the last month
• 1:39:18
  or so. So I feel a little bit confident
• 1:39:21
  about that. I think, you know, 17 points
• 1:39:23
  sounds about right for that victory there.
• 1:39:25
  I think the Gators will take care of business.
• 1:39:28
  I think 17's being nice and generous because.
• 1:39:33
  Rivalry factors in there. Rivalry factors in there, but I
• 1:39:36
  get you. I think Florida State's quit
• 1:39:37
  all. Right, Florida State beat
• 1:39:40
  Charleston Southern 34 to 3:00 last Saturday.
• 1:39:44
  Charleston Southern is was one and nine, 1:00 and 9:00.
• 1:39:49
  You knew what the score was with about two minutes left in the
• 1:39:52
  first half. I sent it to you.
• 1:39:55
  Yeah, Yeah, do. You see, Sheldon, it was three
• 1:39:58
  to nothing. Yeah, Water State, it was three
• 1:40:00
  to nothing. Gators by at least 28.
• 1:40:08
  I do, I do think Florida State will come out more motivated
• 1:40:11
  than they have been in previous games, but I just, I don't think
• 1:40:14
  they stand even remotely any sort of chance.
• 1:40:17
  I think I think Florida's a lot better than people think.
• 1:40:19
  You know, they've, I obviously feel like neighbour has been the
• 1:40:21
  subject of much criticism, but you know, he's done a really
• 1:40:23
  good job turning that chip around, keeping things afloat.
• 1:40:25
  They've got a couple of really big wins these past two weeks.
• 1:40:27
  So I think Florida State or Florida, excuse me, rolls
• 1:40:30
  easily. Yeah, I mean, really good effort
• 1:40:32
  to keep that, that ship going because, you know, with some of
• 1:40:37
  the expectations attached to Florida just being Florida and
• 1:40:40
  kind of the way that season started off, they could have
• 1:40:42
  easily just kind of, you know, checked out mid to late October
• 1:40:46
  and they didn't do that. So kudos to them.
• 1:40:49
  Tally's riding with you with us as well.
• 1:40:52
  So is Miranda, and obviously we know what Jason's doing.
• 1:40:54
  So across the board here, taking Florida, is this the kiss of
• 1:40:59
  death? I mean, that's what that's three
• 1:41:01
  that we've 3. Put the big board up there.
• 1:41:04
  You always have it ready. Put the big board up there.
• 1:41:06
  So three across the board we've got.
• 1:41:09
  Two islands. Yeah, two islands and then we
• 1:41:12
  got the yeah 4/2 with the Iowa State, K State.
• 1:41:18
  If you bet with us this week, you pretty much bet with
• 1:41:21
  everybody. We all, we're all going to
• 1:41:23
  suffer the same fate one way or the other.
• 1:41:25
  And I think these, you know, like we said, most of these
• 1:41:27
  games have some stakes attached to them, except for the last
• 1:41:29
  one. And the last was just a, a fun
• 1:41:31
  one to to look at. You got a, you got a weird line
• 1:41:34
  in a rivalry game, but you got a team that, you know, in Florida
• 1:41:38
  that's been playing a lot better and you got a team in Florida
• 1:41:40
  State that's basically been checked out since the middle of
• 1:41:42
  October. So it's.
• 1:41:44
  True. It's going to be kind of weird
• 1:41:45
  to see where that one goes, but it's, it's a, it's a fun slate
• 1:41:48
  this weekend, I think. I mean, it's always awesome to
• 1:41:51
  have Jason pull out the Telecaster and play some.
• 1:41:54
  Yeah, yeah. We, we hadn't got that all year.
• 1:41:56
  We wouldn't, you know, mostly. And you know what we found out,
• 1:41:59
  though? What's that?
• 1:42:00
  You. Can play the Telecaster and
• 1:42:02
  record it for the live stream. It is not.
• 1:42:05
  It sounds great. Yeah, Kelly sounds great, Jason.
• 1:42:09
  Yeah, keep that. Shut up, y'all got anything else
• 1:42:12
  y'all want to hit before we wrap this up and head into the head
• 1:42:17
  into the most consumed alcohol day of the year?
• 1:42:22
  Yeah, Wednesday, guys. So it's, and I, you know, I
• 1:42:24
  don't know if it's still this way, but when, when me and
• 1:42:28
  Curtis were coming up, the Wednesday before Thanksgiving
• 1:42:33
  was like one of those like just fun, fun nights.
• 1:42:37
  You always ended up like waking up to a hangover, whether you,
• 1:42:41
  whether it's like high school or, or or college, coming home
• 1:42:43
  to visit, you wake up with a hangover.
• 1:42:46
  You got, you know, smell the food starting to cook.
• 1:42:48
  You got to go down there and like nurse your hangover while
• 1:42:52
  you're helping out with food and getting the house ready for
• 1:42:54
  folks to come over. So it's, it's, it's a fun day.
• 1:42:57
  I hope everybody consumes responsibly tomorrow and, and
• 1:43:01
  Thursday if they, they plan on partaking with families.
• 1:43:04
  So just want to say happy Thanksgiving to everybody out
• 1:43:08
  there and we're going to see if the Hoagies can can get both
• 1:43:12
  eligible this Saturday. Sheldon.
• 1:43:16
  Go Hokies. Go Hokies.
• 1:43:19
  Yeah, everybody. Talk about this real quick.
• 1:43:21
  Do we want to talk before we wrap it up?
• 1:43:23
  Matt Brown got fired today but he gets to coach against NZS 8
• 1:43:26
  and he gets to coach the ball. We don't get to coach ball game.
• 1:43:28
  Probably not, no. I I think they left that
• 1:43:32
  undetermined, but more than likely no.
• 1:43:36
  I mean. It's not a shocker.
• 1:43:38
  I mean, it's surprised it didn't happen a couple years ago.
• 1:43:41
  It's surprising it didn't happen a couple years ago.
• 1:43:43
  It's surprising that it happened mid season after they rolled
• 1:43:46
  into the season with, you know, sticking with them.
• 1:43:49
  I thought they if they started the season with them, they were
• 1:43:51
  going to end with the season with them.
• 1:43:52
  All things considered. There I mean it.
• 1:43:56
  It's not quite the, you know, the graceful transfer of of
• 1:44:00
  power here. You know, Mac, you know, for
• 1:44:05
  the, yeah, all the shit that I think we've given Mack and we've
• 1:44:09
  given Mack a bunch of shit. I mean, he didn't have to come
• 1:44:11
  back to UNC and give this thing a go.
• 1:44:13
  So, you know, kudos for the effort there.
• 1:44:21
  But it'll it'll be nice having some of that that recruiting not
• 1:44:24
  in our backyard again. We'll see what, what UNC, you
• 1:44:28
  know, pulls out of their ass in terms of their next head
• 1:44:30
  coaching hire here. But they're kind of one of the
• 1:44:34
  one of the 1st, you know, P4 teams out the gate looking for
• 1:44:39
  a, for a head coach here rolling in the offseason.
• 1:44:42
  So they have a, you know, pretty good position to be in from that
• 1:44:47
  perspective. Yep.
• 1:44:48
  And the only thing, let me tell you, the first thing I did when
• 1:44:51
  they I saw you was fired, I went to the UNC coaching page.
• 1:44:56
  Is anybody worth a shit here that we can hire?
• 1:44:59
  That's all I did that is TVD. Curtis said Mack Brown,
• 1:45:04
  consultant to the head coach. He's never been a she's been
• 1:45:07
  never been that shitty of your game manager could tell price
• 1:45:09
  somewhat. I was also looking position
• 1:45:11
  coaches too. It's just what I'm doing.
• 1:45:14
  Oh man, interesting, interesting put that up right there.
• 1:45:19
  That would be very interesting. All right hour 46 in the book.
• 1:45:23
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• 1:45:27
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• 1:45:30
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  y'all out there listening and as always, let's go.
• 1:46:36
  Hokies. The.