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Mac & Bone Show - David Glenn Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Owen's Mack and Bow on your radio bas my frame
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  Speaker 1: what's up the fun?
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  Speaker 2: I can't go to work without listening to Mack and
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  Speaker 2: Bone do a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Being second, there's meat on the bone. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: as a position coach and as a head coach at
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  Speaker 3: the previous school, I've been on several teams now. Every
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  Speaker 3: school I've worked at, even as a player, won a championship,
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  Speaker 3: a conference championship. I was part of a national championship.
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  Speaker 3: And it's what I came here to do. And I
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  Speaker 3: know that this school can reach that goal in those
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  Speaker 3: heights and and so it drives me. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: want to put this place I always wanted to leave
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  Speaker 3: INCI State better than I found it, for sure, but
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  Speaker 3: I want to put it at a place where it's
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  Speaker 3: special for everybody for a long, long time. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what this is about it. It's definitely a driving force
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  Speaker 3: for me.
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  Speaker 4: Dave Doran the theme of the Pack season, get that
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  Speaker 4: meat off the bone.
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  Speaker 5: We've left the meat on the bone.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go get it even made the analogy of his
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  Speaker 4: trip to the Cruckleton Steakhouse here in Charlotte and a
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  Speaker 4: bone in Ribby, which is the best dang steak you
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  Speaker 4: could get a bone in Rebby. But anyway, we got
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  Speaker 4: to talk about NC State talking big yesterday, Dave Doran
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  Speaker 4: and CJ. Bailey not being shy about it, openly talking
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  Speaker 4: about wanting to get that ACC championship this year. We
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  Speaker 4: need to talk about the new ACC playoff formula. There's
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  Speaker 4: so much to discuss with David Glenn, who was over
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  Speaker 4: there chatting with Dave Dorin and many others yesterday at
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  Speaker 4: the Hilton here in Charlotte at ACC Media Days. David
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  Speaker 4: Glenn make sure you check out his NC Sports network
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  Speaker 4: the YouTube page because he's gonna have a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: video content already does from ACC Media Days on their
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  Speaker 4: NC Sports Network on YouTube. And David Glenn joins us
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  Speaker 4: on the Mac and Bone Show, DG. How have you been, man,
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  Speaker 4: what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Life is good, Mac. It's always fun to be with
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  Speaker 2: you and this is quite the extravaganza here in your
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  Speaker 2: great city of Charlotte. It's fun to be back.
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  Speaker 5: It is, man.
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  Speaker 4: It's just fun to talk football and argue about football
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  Speaker 4: and think about the games like this is just a
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  Speaker 4: cool time of year plus, no one can lose games
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  Speaker 4: either right now, you know what I mean? We can't
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  Speaker 4: be proven wrong when we get optimistic. What did you think?
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  Speaker 4: Because it was kind of divided among PAC fans in
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  Speaker 4: the seven o'clock hour, we were discussing, like do you
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  Speaker 4: like the way openly Dave Dorn's like, I'm tired of
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  Speaker 4: finishing second?
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  Speaker 5: He and CJ.
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  Speaker 4: Baylor are mentioning getting an ACC championship, and some Pack
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  Speaker 4: fans were rolling their eyes because DG, you know, wolf
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  Speaker 4: Pack beleep. You know they have been through it when
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  Speaker 4: they've expected good things. What do you think about this
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  Speaker 4: year's wolf Pack And what do you think about the
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  Speaker 4: way they were openly kind of talking big.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's fun. I think it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: incredibly difficult to pull off.
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  Speaker 5: But we have to.
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  Speaker 2: Add on any statement like that that one year ago
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  Speaker 2: at this event, almost everybody was talking about Clemson as
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  Speaker 2: the team to beat, and they had a very mediocre
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  Speaker 2: season and almost nobody was talking about Duke in Virginia
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  Speaker 2: and they ended up playing right here in the Queen
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  Speaker 2: City for the ACC title and the Blue Devils get
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  Speaker 2: their first ACC championships first out right since nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 2: two and first of any kind since nineteen eighty nine.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess the state is just asking its own
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  Speaker 2: version of the question, why not us? Right? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Miami's the best team here, but the most talented team
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  Speaker 2: doesn't always win, as we saw with the Clemson Tigers
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  Speaker 2: of a year ago and went CJ. Bailey, who never
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  Speaker 2: put his name in the transfer portal but magically got
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  Speaker 2: offers of a lot of money to leave. He decided
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  Speaker 2: to stay, and I think that's a big reason for
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  Speaker 2: the optimism in Raleigh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, funny how that works without him being in the portal.
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  Speaker 4: DJ color me shocks man. Okay, so you just said
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  Speaker 4: the why not us?
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  Speaker 5: Part?
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  Speaker 4: And we were discussing this last hour too, Like it
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  Speaker 4: does feel like and maybe we're wrong again, but it
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  Speaker 4: does feel like Miami. Oh man, they are in their
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  Speaker 4: own stratosphere. But the Who's number two question is going
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  Speaker 4: to be asked repeatedly this week and into the season, like,
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  Speaker 4: who do you think is the second best team in
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  Speaker 4: the ACC this season?
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  Speaker 2: I think SMU has really lined itself up to be
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  Speaker 2: that team. They've been really good, one of the Mustangs
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  Speaker 2: since leaving the American Conference, as the champion of that league.
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  Speaker 2: They've been one of the best programs in this league,
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  Speaker 2: and they have their senior quarterback name Kevin Jennings. Rhett
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  Speaker 2: lash Lee has done nothing but win with the Mustangs,
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  Speaker 2: and they have a lot of returning production, including at
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  Speaker 2: that quarterback position. So I think the Mustangs are in
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  Speaker 2: that mix. Louisville is certainly in that mix. Clemson has
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  Speaker 2: a chance to bounce back from last year's ugly seven
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  Speaker 2: wins season. And then don't sleep on James Franklin Virginia Tech. Right.
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  Speaker 2: That guy was amazing at Vanderbilt, mostly amazing at Penn State,
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  Speaker 2: and he has the Hokies all charged up believe in
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  Speaker 2: they can be the why not US team? So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of candidates for that kind
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  Speaker 2: of second place slot, but as last year showed, it's
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  Speaker 2: really hard to bet big on any one team and
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  Speaker 2: make sure it pays off.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. We're talking with David Glenn. He's covered
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  Speaker 4: sports here into Carolina's four years and he's doing it
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  Speaker 4: at ACC kickoff this week here in Charlotte, NC Sports Network.
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  Speaker 4: Check it out. That's his channel on YouTube for all
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  Speaker 4: the great content. D G one of the storylines yesterday
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  Speaker 4: was Darien Mensa spoke about you know, right at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the transfer portal had a contract.
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  Speaker 5: He goes to Miami. They wooed him.
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  Speaker 4: With a chance to play for a national title, potentially
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  Speaker 4: even more money. Mario Cristobal talked about it. They weren't
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  Speaker 4: exactly apologize, and those two gints yesterday like do you
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  Speaker 4: feel like Duke fans We're gonna talk about this later.
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  Speaker 4: Should Duke fans like still hold a grudge or is
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  Speaker 4: that just college sports in twenty twenty six and everybody's
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  Speaker 4: got to get over it.
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  Speaker 2: What's weird back is that I actually practiced not only law,
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  Speaker 2: but specifically contract laws a long time. It's perfect and
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  Speaker 2: Darian mens assigned a two year deal to play at Duke,
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  Speaker 2: and he's a big boy, he's an adult, right, Nobody
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  Speaker 2: had a gun to his head. He wanted out one
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  Speaker 2: year into that two year deal. So, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we live in a world where if you and I
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  Speaker 2: rented an apartment for two years and we needed to
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  Speaker 2: get out after one year, yeah we can do that,
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  Speaker 2: but there's penalties. And that's how the world works in
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  Speaker 2: the adults context. But things work differently in college sports
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  Speaker 2: right now, just because of the unusual nature. Right, they're
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  Speaker 2: not pros, but they're not true amateurs anymore, and their
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  Speaker 2: laws don't apply the same way. So Duke has ends
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  Speaker 2: up stewing its own player. He's fucking I mean, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lawsuit. But yet fast forward Manny di as the
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  Speaker 2: Duke head coach to this day. If you ask him,
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  Speaker 2: what's one word to describe Darien Mensa's single season at Duke,
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  Speaker 2: Manny will use the word grateful, in part because it
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  Speaker 2: ended with Duke's first APEC title in forever and Darien Mensa,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Duke stole him from Slane, right, So that's
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  Speaker 2: that is the nature of college sports right now. I
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  Speaker 2: don't blame Duke fans for who say, hey, Man, you
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  Speaker 2: signed a two year deal and you got all the
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  Speaker 2: benefits of that deal through year one, but then when
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  Speaker 2: Miami came calling again illegally, right, it's not It's not
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  Speaker 2: like Miami first contacted Darien Mensa the day that he
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  Speaker 2: entered the transfer portal. Nobody of any intelligence believes that.
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  Speaker 2: So there's tampering involved and it makes everybody offered. But
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line is, Darien Mensi saw what Miami did
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  Speaker 2: with the last two. Remember cam Ward was a Hiveman
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  Speaker 2: Trophy finalist after transferring to Miami and then Carson Beck
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  Speaker 2: last year. He wants to both have a chance to
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  Speaker 2: win a national title, have a chance to contend for
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  Speaker 2: a Heisman Trophy, and then maximize his chance of being
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  Speaker 2: a high first round draft there and he and he
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  Speaker 2: said a better chance with the games.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he said as much yesterday to your point, right,
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  Speaker 4: looking at Beck and Ward their transfers and how they
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  Speaker 4: worked out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he may.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's saying that it's not a very
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  Speaker 4: good decision for himself. It's how how it went down. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So we've got a new play, we've got a new
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  Speaker 4: formula for tiebreakers in the conference, and of course it's convoluted.
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  Speaker 4: How could it not be convoluted, DG When for this season,
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  Speaker 4: five teams will play eight games and twelve teams will
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  Speaker 4: play nine games. They so they have to deal with
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  Speaker 4: that that's kind of wonky. And then there's also the
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  Speaker 4: key part in there where they're using this sports source
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  Speaker 4: analytics team ranking system to try to make sure that
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  Speaker 4: what happened last year, almost having your best team miss
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  Speaker 4: out like myamy not happen again, and make sure you
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  Speaker 4: get your best teams in the conference title game. Do
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  Speaker 4: you like this, you know, playoff or a tiebreaker change
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  Speaker 4: or no.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was absolutely necessary because the bottom line
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  Speaker 2: in this sport right now is you have to have
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of teams contending for a national championship. We
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  Speaker 2: all know football TV money is the tail that wags
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  Speaker 2: the dog in college athletics, and the Atlantic Coast Conference,
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  Speaker 2: having fallen way behind the Big ten in the SEC, financially,
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  Speaker 2: just has to do everything it can to maximize its
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  Speaker 2: football product. In fact, Jim Phillips said, I thought the
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  Speaker 2: number of the day yesterday, the ACC Commissioner said, year
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  Speaker 2: over year viewership is up sixty eight percent for ACC football.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the best little nuggets I've heard about
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  Speaker 2: ACC football in a long time. But this tiebreaker change
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  Speaker 2: obviously does exactly what you just said. In the Miami scenario,
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  Speaker 2: the Kains would have played in the ACC title game
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  Speaker 2: last here under this new tiebreaker formula that would have
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  Speaker 2: protected the cage chances. Of me they ended up getting
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  Speaker 2: in right, so it got it all worked out. They
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  Speaker 2: played in the national championship game, but the ACC has
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  Speaker 2: to control the rules that it can control. This is
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  Speaker 2: the smarter way to do it, and we are going
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  Speaker 2: to have late season debates, man, you know it. One
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  Speaker 2: of these coaches that plays a toper schedule and maybe
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  Speaker 2: has to play one more conference game is going to
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  Speaker 2: have the same number of wins as another coach that
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  Speaker 2: had a lighter schedule, and they might even have a
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  Speaker 2: different number of losses. And yet this, this tiebreaker system
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  Speaker 2: is going to get convoluted in that context. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: see that. I do think it's a massive step in
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  Speaker 2: the right direction.
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  Speaker 4: DG.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: Do you You're you've got the lawyer in your background,
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  Speaker 4: so maybe you read the five print that I didn't,
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  Speaker 4: But do you know the answer to this question? We
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  Speaker 4: were asking about this earlier, because if you're seven and two,
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  Speaker 4: you're tied with seven and one, right like and right.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're seven and two, you're also tied with
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  Speaker 4: six and two, right like you. The whole point is
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  Speaker 4: that if you have the same amount of wins or losses,
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  Speaker 4: they don't want to penalize you because they have five
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  Speaker 4: teams playing eight games and twelve playing nine. What happens
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  Speaker 4: if you have a three way tie between eight and
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  Speaker 4: one and seven and one, they're theoretically tied, but then
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  Speaker 4: seven and two was also tie with seven and one,
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  Speaker 4: but not with eight and one.
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  Speaker 5: Did you have a three way tiebreaker?
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  Speaker 1: Then?
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  Speaker 5: Do you know the answer to that?
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  Speaker 2: It's complicated, as I often wrote up my law school
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  Speaker 2: exempts or it depends. As the famous prase in law school,
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  Speaker 2: the head to head results always matter most. So in
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  Speaker 2: your hypothetical three way tie, we do have to first
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  Speaker 2: look did any two of the three play each other?
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  Speaker 2: That would separate the winner of that head to head matchup. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: if they all played each other and one team beat
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  Speaker 2: both of the other two, well then that one's easy.
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  Speaker 2: But what if they didn't all play each other? What
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  Speaker 2: if none of them played each other? That's where that
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  Speaker 2: stats formula that you described comes into play. And the
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  Speaker 2: bottom line is they want to reward the broader body
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  Speaker 2: of work and protect the team that might have had
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  Speaker 2: not as dominant an acc specific record. But if they
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  Speaker 2: went you know, eleven and one or ten and two
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  Speaker 2: or whatever it turns out to be. And remember Duke
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  Speaker 2: last year, Duke was only a seven and five football
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  Speaker 2: team that got into the AEC title game. They don't
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  Speaker 2: want that to happen again because that team is not
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  Speaker 2: going to make the playoffs even if it wins the
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  Speaker 2: a SEC title, as happened with the Devil last year.
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  Speaker 5: No, you're right, that's there.
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  Speaker 2: We are. But there's some hypotheticals. We can't even think
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy. We'll talk all about it. I just that
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  Speaker 4: scenario just my mind exploded. But I think you had
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  Speaker 4: explained it pretty good that they want to get it
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  Speaker 4: down to maybe head to head and you know, eliminate
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  Speaker 4: teams that way. We'll see how it plays out. But
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  Speaker 4: it could lead to a mess. It could lead to
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  Speaker 4: a mess. But I do like the fact they're rewarding
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  Speaker 4: that whole body of work and strength of your skeedu
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  Speaker 4: is included in that formula too.
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  Speaker 5: I like that. I like that as well.
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  Speaker 4: Today, Dabo Sweeney, you're gonna get a chance to talk
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  Speaker 4: to Dabbo today. He's going to be a huge storyline.
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  Speaker 4: What's your feeling for where Clemson is at right now?
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  Speaker 4: Like a lot of us say, man, Dabo, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think you're gonna you know, my kind of feeling is,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think you're going to drop to levels where
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  Speaker 4: you know the program stinks, but I'm not sure we're
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  Speaker 4: ever gonna see you again when you were literally one
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  Speaker 4: of the two best programs in college football. Do you
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  Speaker 4: kind of agree with that? Like, where do you think
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  Speaker 4: Clemson football's headed under Dabo?
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, I've had dozens of fun conversations
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  Speaker 2: with Dabo over twenty years at this point, and I
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  Speaker 2: have to rethink how I'm gonna ask him questions today
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  Speaker 2: because he's speaking in an entirely different language than he
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  Speaker 2: used to. He will only say things mac like we
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  Speaker 2: just need to get the arrow pointed back in the
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  Speaker 2: right direction, you know, And that's the arrow pointed up
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  Speaker 2: from a seven and six debacle last year. Well, remember
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  Speaker 2: Clemson had nine NFL draft picks from that team, that's
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  Speaker 2: the same as the Miami Hurricanes had, and the Kings
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  Speaker 2: played in the national title game with the Tigers fell
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  Speaker 2: to seven and six. So Dabo receives questions differently than
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  Speaker 2: he used to. He's a little bit defensive about what
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  Speaker 2: has happened. To answer your question, I think they'll be
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  Speaker 2: better this year, but I don't think they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be that program. Remember from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: six straight years. They won the ACC title all six years,
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  Speaker 2: and they won the national title two of the six
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  Speaker 2: and they never finished lower than fourth in the final
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  Speaker 2: polls sixth straight years, never lower than number four. And
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  Speaker 2: since twenty twenty, obviously they've been good till last year.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they were top twenty five to four years prior.
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  Speaker 2: They won two of the last four ACC titles. Even
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  Speaker 2: as we're talking about them crashing to seven and six.
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  Speaker 2: So better, yes, But Christopher Vezina their new quarterback, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's in his fourth year in the program and is
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  Speaker 2: only card one game, so that's not a sure thing.
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  Speaker 2: The way of Deshaun Watson or at Trevor Lawrence were
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  Speaker 2: back in the day. There's just not as much old
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  Speaker 2: talent and depth as the Tigers used to have. That's
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  Speaker 2: in Parkcos Devo resisted the transfer portal for a while,
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get into some of those philosophical questions today.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think the Tigers are up there next
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  Speaker 2: to the Miami Hurricanes right now, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 5: No doubt about it, no doubt about it. All right.
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  Speaker 4: Check it out NC Sports Network on YouTube. DG has
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  Speaker 4: videos up there, some good stuff with Dave Dorin and
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  Speaker 4: it'll continue through ACCB to days and it's a great
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  Speaker 4: spot for a guy that knows sports in North Carolina
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  Speaker 4: and is still covering it. Great NC Sports Network on YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, DG. Appreciate you man
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  Speaker 2: Right back as you Max, keep up the good work.