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Pete and Tony on Moving Forward After 2023 Season | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Shackers and welcome.
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  Speaker 3: It is Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday clean out
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  Speaker 3: day at the Miller Electric Center. After a Jaguars loss
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  Speaker 3: in week eighteen and a miss of the playoffs and
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  Speaker 3: a busy two hours ahead here on ten tinxl Jaguars
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  Speaker 3: dot Com Jaguars YouTube after a twenty eight twenty loss
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  Speaker 3: to the Titans. The Jaguars missed the postseason, losing five
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  Speaker 3: of the last six games of the regular year.
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  Speaker 1: And now I'll look ahead to the future.
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  Speaker 3: We'll keep it real as always fanatics fan questions in
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  Speaker 3: the second hour, JP Shadrick Pete Prisco alongside Tony Boselli
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  Speaker 3: coming up. Been well, Pete, this is not what we
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  Speaker 3: were expecting about a month ago, and I don't even
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  Speaker 3: think this is what we were expecting going into Nashville
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  Speaker 3: last week, but it has happened. The Jaguars are out
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  Speaker 3: of the playoffs after losing five of six.
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  Speaker 1: How are you six?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well due a lot better than that football
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  Speaker 2: team right now, I can tell you that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, JP, I mistounded. You know, when they were
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  Speaker 2: cruising along at what eight and three, we sat there
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  Speaker 2: and we said, oh, number one seed, they have a
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  Speaker 2: chance for the number one seed, and everything and anything
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  Speaker 2: that could have gone wrong went wrong. I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't for the Caroline the Panthers, who are the
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  Speaker 2: worst team.
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  Speaker 4: In the league, they might not have a victory. That's
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  Speaker 4: how bad it fell off the ledge.
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  Speaker 2: So look, you know, as far as I'm concerned, you know, JP,
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  Speaker 2: I picked them to go to the super Bowl this
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  Speaker 2: so I was way when a team doesn't make the
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  Speaker 2: postseason and I picked them in when the super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: is way home, I'm astounded. I have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: thought on the entire process of the team, everything and
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  Speaker 2: where they are right now. And you know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you've been active on Twitter. You've seen a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: They're not happy in Jacksonville. Nor should they be, by.
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  Speaker 1: The way, No, not at all.
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  Speaker 3: Tony Pro Football Hall of Fame left tackle with us
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  Speaker 3: as well. Tony, and hey, here we are the day
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  Speaker 3: after the season and everybody's packed up and leaving.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, not the.
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  Speaker 6: Not the ending we expected, wasn't boys and Pete, you
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  Speaker 6: were wrong. I hadn't going to the AFC title game,
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  Speaker 6: so I wasn't much more right than you. And I
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  Speaker 6: mean I think when you said Pete's right, I mean
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  Speaker 6: without that win against the worst team the NFL, they
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  Speaker 6: very well could have lost sixth straight. And I think
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  Speaker 6: it's not just the losses, it's how they lost games.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they beat themselves. It was a team that
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  Speaker 5: didn't didn't they play, turn the ball over, penalties, wasn't
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  Speaker 5: physical disappointing.
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  Speaker 6: I mean it's you know, nine to eight back back
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  Speaker 6: winning seasons, but sure doesn't feel like.
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  Speaker 5: That right now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Tony, you're silver lining it back to back winning season.
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  Speaker 2: There's no silver lining of this season.
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  Speaker 5: Z You're right, point, Pete, I just said the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: Do you listen?
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  Speaker 6: I said, even though it's back to back winning seasons.
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  Speaker 5: After not having anything for.
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  Speaker 6: Decade, you know, decade plus, that's side twenty seventeet, it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't feel that way.
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  Speaker 5: That's my whole points.
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  Speaker 6: It's so disappointing how this team finished, and really, I
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  Speaker 6: mean how they played. And I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of I'll say this Pete, there's more questions than answers
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  Speaker 6: right now with his football team.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a lot of blame to go around. There's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of blade.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it really is across the board, blade, players, coaches,
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  Speaker 2: front office, you name it.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of blame to go around because this
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't happen. This should not have happened.
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  Speaker 2: Or maybe we were misguided and thinking that they improved
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  Speaker 2: left from last season.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that was the Maybe that was my mistake.
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  Speaker 2: I thought a lot of second, first, second and third
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  Speaker 2: year players from last year would take the next step,
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  Speaker 2: and they clearly did not.
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  Speaker 4: They did not.
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  Speaker 6: No, Pete, I think the biggest the biggest surprise to
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  Speaker 6: me was the lack of of the jump that Trevor
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  Speaker 6: did not make. I was counting on Trevor making a
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  Speaker 6: big count. I was worried, and we talked about this
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  Speaker 6: at the end of the year. We talked about an offseason.
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  Speaker 5: I was worried by the lack of the lack of uh.
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  Speaker 5: Things they did in the offseason to get better.
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  Speaker 6: They kind of they basically said, Hey, we're gonna stand pat,
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna bet.
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  Speaker 5: That the young guys get better. And we talked about
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  Speaker 5: that it was a bet. They made it. But the
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  Speaker 5: biggest surprise to me was the.
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  Speaker 7: Trevor didn't take the big jump and the concern I
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  Speaker 7: had coming in with the offense, the n tier or three,
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  Speaker 7: that offensive line. I mean you you went in and
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  Speaker 7: with the center who struggled last year and was no different.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe worse.
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  Speaker 4: It was worse.
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  Speaker 6: An aging right guard who's you know, still good in
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  Speaker 6: pass blocking, but you know it just doesn't have the
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  Speaker 6: power left and he's a great guy, great good player,
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  Speaker 6: and you, I mean think about they went into the
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  Speaker 6: season with betting Ben Barche who I don't think, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I was hopeful, wasn't a believer at left guard. And
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  Speaker 6: the thing that ultimately hurt this team the most, in
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  Speaker 6: my opinion, is the utter lack of having the ability
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  Speaker 6: to run the ball. They were physically outmatched and they
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  Speaker 6: couldn't get third shorts, they couldn't get goal lines. And
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  Speaker 6: then the interior of the defensive line. I mean, the
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  Speaker 6: pass rush was pretty good by the edge. Josh Allen
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  Speaker 6: had a great year, trayvond got you know, did some
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  Speaker 6: nice things that as the year went on, but the interior,
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  Speaker 6: the interior three that you know or early against average teams,
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  Speaker 6: they were.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but they got pushed around. And he got pushed
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  Speaker 5: around on Sunday.
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  Speaker 6: By the Tennessee by the Tantasy Titans, who have a
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  Speaker 6: bad offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they an Tony.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned physical play, physical toughness. That shows up a lot,
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  Speaker 2: But you know what's shown up on Sunday too when
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  Speaker 2: when Spears had the ball.
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  Speaker 4: They're not very fast either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he burned them.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Jenkins moves in concrete. I mean he he
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  Speaker 4: was awful on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't make plays, he took bad angles, and.
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  Speaker 8: It just.
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  Speaker 5: Don't say this. I'll give you credit. You said it
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  Speaker 5: earlier in the year.
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  Speaker 6: You thought Jenkins looked like he slowed down, and I
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  Speaker 6: defended him that was wrong.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's lost his step, But I don't I
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  Speaker 5: don't think. I don't think it's a particularly fast team.
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  Speaker 2: No, you know, and in terms of defending him, you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about their speed a lot that much.
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  Speaker 4: And they don't ever throw, you know, if it's not.
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  Speaker 2: A deep deep ball, they don't ever throw the twenty
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  Speaker 2: yard end cut in the middle of the field ever.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's the design of the offense isn't good.
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  Speaker 2: We get into all that, we can get into play calling,
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  Speaker 2: we can get into roster building, we can get into
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback not not getting better, and in fairness to
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback, they beat the daylights out of that kid,
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  Speaker 2: and for whatever reason he kept showing up to play.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he shouldn't have showed up to play in some
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  Speaker 2: of those games because he's not the same guy. His
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  Speaker 2: mechanics have waned. He's sped up an Tony. I'll give
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  Speaker 2: you one play that I watched the tape today and
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  Speaker 2: you'll probably remember this.
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  Speaker 4: They ended up scoring on the drive. It was the
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  Speaker 4: last play of the third quarter.
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  Speaker 2: They run a stutter and go to Ridley on the
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  Speaker 2: goal line, down by the goal line and he's not open,
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  Speaker 2: but he pre German.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he never looked that.
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  Speaker 6: The thing that jumped out of me on the tape
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  Speaker 6: Sunday and I think it several times, but Sunday was
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  Speaker 6: really eye opening to me.
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  Speaker 5: It felt like several times Trevor predetermined where he was
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  Speaker 5: going with the ball.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and.
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  Speaker 2: There were opportunities, but don't get me wrong, there weren't
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  Speaker 2: a ton of opportunities down the field.
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  Speaker 6: There were I'm gonna say this beat though, but Trevor
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  Speaker 6: was impacted by the shoulder.
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  Speaker 5: You can see how the ball came out.
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  Speaker 4: Yes he was.
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  Speaker 5: He was nowhere near one hundred percent. I don't care
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  Speaker 5: what anyone said.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, he was not even a touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: Passing through to Ingram was a lollipop compared to some
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  Speaker 2: of his other throws when he throws the football.
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  Speaker 1: But he said today it was still very sore, so
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna take a look.
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  Speaker 2: You can see it you and and credit to him
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  Speaker 2: for being a tough guy and playing through it. But again,
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  Speaker 2: you compound the poor interior offensive line play, the design
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  Speaker 2: of the offense, the inability to run in cuts into
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the field. I think he was sped
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  Speaker 2: up all season long, and then he was banged up
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  Speaker 2: because he took a beating.
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  Speaker 4: You add that all up. He wasn't the same quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't take the growth. He should be standing in
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  Speaker 4: there looking at.
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  Speaker 2: Ridley coming back into the middle of the field and
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  Speaker 2: firing the shot to a Jones for a touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: That's not who he became this year and that's why
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  Speaker 2: their offense struggled.
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  Speaker 1: But how do you get it back next year?
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  Speaker 6: But I don't think that's the I'm the main reason.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think that we can talk about play calling
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  Speaker 6: and design. I don't think play callers trusted the offensive
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  Speaker 6: line to hold the ball and to run it. I
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  Speaker 6: think they had to gimmick everything up. And I think
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  Speaker 6: he saw it all year. And I go back to
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  Speaker 6: and I know how broke a record. I know I'm biased,
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  Speaker 6: and I know you know, everyone wants to talk about
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  Speaker 6: receivers and quarterbacks and everything else.
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  Speaker 5: This is a good person game. I mean, you've heard
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  Speaker 5: me say this.
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  Speaker 4: You're not wrong, Tony, You're not wrong.
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  Speaker 6: And I will I will go to the end of
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  Speaker 6: time saying, you build inside out, front to back. Once
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  Speaker 6: you have a quarterback, you get big people, You physically
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  Speaker 6: control the line of scrimmage, and if you do that,
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  Speaker 6: you will win more games than not. And we did
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  Speaker 6: not do that all year. And I mean, and I
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  Speaker 6: think the picture painted in my mind and kind of
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  Speaker 6: tells the story of this team and lack of ability
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  Speaker 6: to execute and must get you know, must situation where
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  Speaker 6: you need the yard or two is fourth and one
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  Speaker 6: on the goal line. We have a chance to score
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  Speaker 6: and get a two point conversion to tie it. Up
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  Speaker 6: and we run a quarterback sneak in. Our center is
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  Speaker 6: getting run over three yards into the backfield, and our
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  Speaker 6: left guard is getting pushed back and Trevor is trying
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  Speaker 6: to jump over and there's no chance. And everyone says, well,
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  Speaker 6: he called it on his own. I don't care if
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  Speaker 6: they hand it off. It's a loss of yardage.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, if he had gone to the left though,
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  Speaker 4: he would have scored. No, yeah, I think he would have.
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  Speaker 4: But but I watched the tape today too.
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  Speaker 2: I think he could have gone to the left and score,
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  Speaker 2: slid through a increase over there and scored. But but
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  Speaker 2: you're right, the center got but I mean the center
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  Speaker 2: got blown the smither reings.
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  Speaker 6: Do you see do you see the guy underneath them
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  Speaker 6: who's getting driven back? Watch the last few it's the
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  Speaker 6: left guard.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm saying, Tony, when you watch it from
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  Speaker 4: the end zone, I see.
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  Speaker 2: The left guard get pushed back, but he had a
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  Speaker 2: little crack next to where there's just.
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  Speaker 5: The there's Fortner getting on over and there's the left
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  Speaker 5: there's the left guard. Game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so here's a conversation. Hey guys, that's the fourth
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  Speaker 3: down play. What about the third downplay?
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  Speaker 4: That's a terrible call. That's just a bad call.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first off, if they had reviewed, could they have
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  Speaker 2: reviewed the goal lines, because I don't think you could
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  Speaker 2: have moved it back card.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a bad spot. But if if the
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  Speaker 4: spot is correct, you go sneak, sneak and you're in.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I I don't. My only thing is the reason
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  Speaker 6: they did not challenge it is they were afraid if
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  Speaker 6: they didn't get it, they lost another time out of me,
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  Speaker 6: but I think it was a challenge will play the
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  Speaker 6: third down play?
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  Speaker 5: I did not like it.
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  Speaker 4: Stupid.
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  Speaker 5: But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 6: It tells me the story. They don't think they can
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  Speaker 6: get in. They don't think they can push people. And
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  Speaker 6: guess what, press is right? They can't just watch watch
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  Speaker 6: every game. Go back and watch all seventeen games and
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  Speaker 6: tell me when we controlled the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me I wouldn't be yelling out press is right
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  Speaker 2: too loudly these days around Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, I don't care. I don't care.
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  Speaker 6: I'm telling you. You know me, I'm gonna give you
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  Speaker 6: my opinion what I think. I think football is wanting
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  Speaker 6: the trenches.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna deny that because I think if you're
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  Speaker 2: physical and you're you can dominate both trenches and we.
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  Speaker 4: Can flip it to the defensive side.
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  Speaker 2: Because those guys got blocked by a bad offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: They got blocked all day.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you thought Vonicossi was going to be a
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  Speaker 2: run stuffer. He gets blocked all the time. Roy Roberts
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  Speaker 2: and Harris flashes at times. He gets moved at times too.
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  Speaker 2: As much as he flashes, he makes those plays. Davon
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  Speaker 2: Hamilton has been a shell of himself. Sat he came back,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't. I mean, he got pushed all around. He
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  Speaker 2: started getting a little bit better as the season war on,
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  Speaker 2: but he clearly was impacted by what happened to him.
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  Speaker 2: The linebackers. You look a Luwakon's a good player, but
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  Speaker 2: he needs help. Lloyd had that little spurt where he
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  Speaker 2: looked like he was going to be a different player
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  Speaker 2: this year, and then he regressed the last seven eight games.
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  Speaker 4: He was bad will be.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not going to put too much on the linebackers
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  Speaker 6: in this game, because they had linemen on top of
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  Speaker 6: them the entire game.
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  Speaker 4: They were getting chopped. They were getting chopped a lot.
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  Speaker 6: They were getting chopped and their guys were on their
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  Speaker 6: faces and the line was getting pushed back into their laps.
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  Speaker 6: And it's hard to play linebacker like that. But I think,
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  Speaker 6: and we'll talk about it today. I mean, the big
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  Speaker 6: question is him a bunch of free agents and bunch
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  Speaker 6: of money tied up in big and a number of guys,
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  Speaker 6: and I my opinion, you gotta build both lines of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 5: That's how you have to invest.
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  Speaker 6: And you have big decisions to make this offseason, Josh Allen,
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  Speaker 6: huge decision Calvin Ridley. Do you give up a second
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  Speaker 6: rounder for Calvin Ridley? Because that's what you have to
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  Speaker 6: do if you sign them, you.
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  Speaker 2: Could tag them and then wait and sign him after
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  Speaker 2: that and then not give up the second one.
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  Speaker 5: But if you tag him, does that count?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so we'd have to look into that. But my
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  Speaker 6: point is, I mean, are you gonna can't afford to
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  Speaker 6: pay Ridley what he would want and keep Kirk? I'm
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  Speaker 6: keeping right now. I'm picking Kirk over Ridley.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, he let's come back in a moment. We've
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  Speaker 3: got plenty to get to. This is how two hours
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  Speaker 3: is gonna go. Yeah, a lot of decisions ahead. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get to some of them, at least in the coming
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  Speaker 3: hour and forty five minutes that we have left on
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  Speaker 3: this show. Of course, in the second hour fanatics fan questions,
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  Speaker 3: We'll keep it real.
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking for producing those crazy us they toy that.
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  Speaker 4: Instead, I'm looking for.
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  Speaker 9: A spark and be a sport and I have to
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  Speaker 9: spark players around me, coaches around me, just to better
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  Speaker 9: help the organization and help myself.
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  Speaker 1: It's Travis etm Jr.
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  Speaker 3: In the locker room today the post mortem after the
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars loss to the Titans and a miss of the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: Boselli and Pete Prisco recapping what the heck happened not
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  Speaker 3: only yesterday but this season. And let's continue this offensive discussion.
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  Speaker 3: We've got plenty on defense. Who've got you know, roster
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  Speaker 3: building and things ahead. We got a whole two hours
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  Speaker 3: to get this done tonight. We've got fanatics, fan questions
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  Speaker 3: to some of that in the second hour. But on
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball, Doug Peterson was asked
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: just a few moments ago about the play calling if
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: he considered taking things back at all from Press Taylor.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: He said nope, and talked about the job that Press
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: did this year and getting the offense ready to go
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: and calling the plays and stood by it. Yeah, he said, yeah,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: things could be better, certainly in certain areas and situations,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: but that doesn't seem to be a starting point, Pete
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: for them to make any changes.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Well, in fairness to Press Taylor, and I didn't like
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I don't like the design of the offense first and foremost.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: You know me, I say it all the time.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: But in fairness too, it's hard to call play is
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: when your hands tied behind your back because the offensive
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: line has been so bad so and you don't have
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: a real scare threat down the field for half the season,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: So I get it, I understand it, but I still
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: don't like the play calling at times.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: I don't think they allow the quarterback to try the
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: ball into the middle of the field. Now, whether that's
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: because the offensive line or whatever. When do you ever
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: see Evan Ingland going down the scene? You don't know?
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: No, I don't remember it, I really don't.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: And he can do that, they don't do it. So
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: I think some of that stuff needs to get fixed.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: You know, the run game is all and Tony says
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: this all the time, a movement instead of physically mauling people.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: And if you don't get to the second level, the
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: linebacker is going to make a tackle. And if you
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: don't get the right angle to get the linebacker, he's
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: going to slide through and make a tackle. There were
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: a couple of plays on Sunday where if the backside
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: tackle got to his guy and held his block, you
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: would have had a decent.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Game in the run game.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Not many, but there were a couple, and I think
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Tony says it all the time. The way they play
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: offensive line is going to you know, change. You don't
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: have a physical nastiness about you.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: The way they play it.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm not disagreeing with your point.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: I mean I don't love everything about the offense either,
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: But let's just let's start with the run game.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Tell me what you want them to do, like, give
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: me like tell me like what like.
• 18:32
  Speaker 10: If you can't block people, if you can't sustain blocks,
• 18:35
  Speaker 10: if you can't move people. And I'm not trying to
• 18:39
  Speaker 10: pick on he's a young player, but well.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: You can't pick on him. I mean, let's be really,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: he's a professional. In the second season, he wasn't very
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: good in the run game.
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: You can't pick up when I said, I'm not going
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: to picking I don't want I'm not picking on them.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: It is what it is. The film, you know, they.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Used as we used to say, the eye and this
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: guy doesn't lie. And when you don't in this block,
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: you don't stay on blocks, you don't get to the
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: next level.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: You don't push people, you don't displace people. Tell me
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: what run?
• 19:06
  Speaker 11: Attack people?
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: You want to run? You're limited.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: And and again was that part of the when you
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: go through the off season status quo, he was going
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to get bigger and stronger, and he was going to
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: be able to handle.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: People and move them this year.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: It just that that didn't happen, right, So okay, now
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you beg the question for moving forward next year?
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Can he be the starting center next year? He can't be.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: I would be.
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: He's gonna be in camp.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: But if you don't bring I mean, I'll give you
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: my knee jerk reaction.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: And I don't know anything.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: Who's in college and what the talent looks like, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: what's deep in the draft. I could argue your first, second, third,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: and fourth rounder, our combination of offensive and offensive lineman,
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: interior offensive lineman, and the interior defensive lineman.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: I'm with you.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: They do got to They do have to find a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: receiver or to Tony with some speed.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Pete. I don't care.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: You can go have the fastest guy ever if you
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: can't block anybody.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: No, I get it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: But at some point you say you draft two offensive linemen,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: sign one, and free agency you know a guy that
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: could come in and compete and then then get a receiver.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: At some point you need a receive. They need speed.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: They're slow.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: I'm not disagreeing you don't need a receiver, but it
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: starts up front.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: You know what, you know what would have been a
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: two spots that would have been decent receiver picks or
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman picks the second or third round from this
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: year's draft, or how about the Chad Muma pick. There
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you go, it'd be nice to have those guys. And
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: here's the thing, Okay, Tony, let's talk about the guard
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: that got hurt. The young kid from from UH, from uh,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Appalachian State that got hurt.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Earl is he a big, physical guy.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: He's bigger, he's wide, but I mean listen, and he
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: had a nice camp and he was popular because he
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: ran around and did cartwheels and all that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Right, but.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: He put I mean, he's a basically a rookie again
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: next year from Appalachian State. I'm not hanging my hat
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: on and saying, hey, here's the starting job. Like we
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: tried that two years in a row. Given the job
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: to Ben Barche. How'd that work out?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Give me an idea, okay, Like like, for example, we'll
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: look at the good teams and their offensive like the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: forty nine Ers offensive line.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: You look at it on the paper. The guards are
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: just okay, but they're physical.
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: They're big people that go down.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: They're strong like Lake and Tomlinson was a reject at
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: one point the forty nine Ers got him. He got
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: into their system, big physical guy, played well. The Jets
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: sign him and he goes into their system and he's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: not the same player.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: He just thought.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: It's there's something about an organization's mentality.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: To Tony, you gotta admit that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Physical net Like, the Titans have a terrible offensive line,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: but they can They got physical on Sunday with Jacksonville.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: No, they did, they did. I mean, it's it's I
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: think it's a couple of things. One, you have to
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: decide how you want to how do you want to
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: play offense, and and and you can still be physical
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: and spread people out. I mean the Eagles last year
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: we're Dane physical and spread everyone out.
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: I mean, so you can have you can do both.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: So I mean, ultimately, that's Doug and Press saying, Okay,
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: this is a style of offense we want to play.
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: But if you want to be an inside, outside run.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: Team, you have to have guys who put their hand
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: in the dirt and come off the ball and move
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: people and get to the next level.
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: And you are back, who's a one cut back?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny to you mentioned the Eagles because
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: they came from the Eagles at least, you know pressing
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and Doug did. And you sit there and you say, okay,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: well you get a center like Kelsey. No, Kelsey's a
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: great player, is a Hall of Famer, But when you
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: look at how he's built and how Fortner's built, there's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: there's no they're not even close to being the same
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: type of player in that system getting.
• 23:22
  Speaker 11: Moved that overall strength, physical, I mean, yeah, yeah, it's
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: it's a It is a mindset. You have to make
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: your mind up saying we are going to move people.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: And I don't know if it's because they just don't
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: feel like they have the personnel to do it, if
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: they're not strong enough.
• 23:42
  Speaker 11: But we're not big.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Upfront on either side of the ball.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: No, we're not big Like Cam is a big man,
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: big man.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: The rookie is a pretty big man too. He's lean, he's.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Lean, but he's a big but he has and his
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: run blow has been bad by the way.
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: He's big.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: He's a great athlete. He needs to get in the
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: weight room and get stronger.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: But he's he was a bad run blocker this year,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: even getting to the next level and everything he.
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: Was and I think he's gonna be a good player.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: He's a rookie, but he needs to get bigger, Like
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: you gotta go get big men.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: You need big Like, go get a college tackle who
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: can't play tackle in the NFL and make him a
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: power guard.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Because you look at all that.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Like remember Ossemile that when he played for the Ravens Colleccio.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Assemile college tackle, couldn't didn't have the foots to play tackle,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: but could move inside and play.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Guard and mall people. But Marshall Yander was a college tackle.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: He moved inside.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: You, Zach Martin, college tackle moved inside.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: That's what they gotta get two big.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Mallers, mallers that can hold up and pass protection, give
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: that quarterback a nice viewing lane into the middle of
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the field, and can maul people in the run game.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: They don't have that right now. Is an athlete, but
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: he had a rough GOVID on Sunday too.
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: Tony, Yeah, I think I agree.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: I'm I am looking.
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: And here's the other mentality we have to have as
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: an organization.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: You can't get comfortable like every job's open, like you
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: got to try to upgrade everywhere and you have and
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: so like I'm looking at the whole offensive line.
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: I'm starting within tiers three.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: But you either you better go find a veteran center
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: in free agency or go draft one early.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are some good centers in the draft.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: The kid from George is a pretty good center that
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: he's available. But again, get the center. Draft college tackles
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: who can move in and be physical guards. If you
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: can't find a good guard, because you know those guys now,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: they play passive tap, so it's hard to evaluate them
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: on the next level, but get bigger and defensively when
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you watch it, Roy Robertson, Harris looks little when he's playing.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: He's not a big physical guy. Hamilton hasn't been the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: same guy, and PHOTOCOSSI looks like he plays soft.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, let's come back.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: We'll get into the defensive side a little bit more
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and follow that thought Pete. So yeah, and then the
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: second hour, of course, we'll have fanatics, fan questions. We'll
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: keep it real as we always do. Plenty to discuss.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: The day after a Jaguars loss to miss the playoffs
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: after an eight and three start, they dropped five of
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the last six, and this is Jaguars Happy Hour presented
• 26:35
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• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I use their processing giving it Tom.
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: I think overall this it's tough to do it in
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: a moment.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: You know, hope that you learned something from it, that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: it grows.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: You anddra Cisco in the locker room today trying to
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: process what happened yesterday for the Jaguars and a loss
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: to the Titans twenty eight twenty the season is over.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: The Jaguars for a three hour stretch after the Week
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: twelve win, were the number one scene in the AFC.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: It had a ninety six percent chance to make the playoffs.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: They then dropped five of the last six. Andy, here
• 27:16
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• 27:19
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• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Senior writer Pete Prisco and Pro Football Hall of Fame
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: left tackle Tony Boselli. That gets us into the defensive talk, Pete,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and you started it last segment, that defensive line, the
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: interior part of it. We'll get to Josh Allen coming
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: up in just a little bit in his offseason ahead.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: That's a totally different conversation, but it starts there and
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: then that gives the linebackers room to maneuver. And then
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: there's a secondary yesterday trying to chase down Derrick Henry
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: with a full head of speed.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and yesterday was a bad game for that defense. Period.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: It was just a bad performance. That's not a good offense.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: That offense sticks and Derrick Henry what do you have
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the week before? Ten yards?
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: If rush?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Nothing?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, and they let him look like old Derrick
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Henry and that just gaps, cracks, creases, bad tackling, bad angles.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: It was and then when Spears had the ball, he
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: looked like he was shot out of a cannon every
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: time he touched it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Henry had forty two yards a week before against Houston
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: on twelve.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're not big, they get blocked. The linebackers
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: haven't been good. Lua CON's played well this year, but
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: he needs more help from Devin Lloyd. And we thought
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: we saw it early in the season that went away.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And and you know, Jenkins had a bad year. He
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't I think he's done. And and Cisco after his injury,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: he wasn't the same player. So you add it all up,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: it's not a great defense. Aside from Josh Allen and
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: by the way, there was improvement from Trayvon Walker. Nobody's
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: ever going to take that away from him. He's improved
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: as a football player, and we did.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: We weren't.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: On the air last week.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I got into it with some Jaguar fans about Trayvon Walker. Yeah,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: his sack Camean is a three technique rusher. The other
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: one came when he got blocked and made a play
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: to get off the block and go tackle the.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Guy for a yard loss. He didn't win.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: He wasn't winning consistently enough. As an edge rusher, he
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: would be a dominant three technique player. I really believe that,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: like one of those guys that would get pressure if
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: from the interior with the power and the quick step there.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: He's just not an edge rusher. It's not what he is.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: But they're gonna be stubborn enough to sit there and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: continue to say he is.
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: Yeah, beat, I agree with you.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, if you look at defensively, the
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: team was eight and three, and then they gave up
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: thirty four to Cincinnati, backup quarterback, thirty one to Cleveland,
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: third stream quarterback twenty three to Ravens ran Oliver, who
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: ran all over him thirty to Baker Mayfield and then
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: twenty eight to Ryan Tannehill and Henry.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: If you go through those games to Tony, there's a
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: common theme throughout those games. Poor tackling bus. Poor tackling bus.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Almost everyone there was major bus, whether it's a run bust,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: a run fit, or a wide open receiver assignment. Football
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: was not played on defense in the second half of
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the season.
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: How many times do we hear the word communication and
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: lack of that on defense this year? They even today
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: in the locker room kept bringing that up and and
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Doug Peterson unacceptable.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Well, okay, but who's that on?
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: It's on both coaches and players, correct Pete.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: Coach's job is is to teach players the system they
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: can go out and execute at a high at a
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: high level and fast and play fast. Players job is
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: to study and understand what they're asked to do, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: the coach that he's understand. If he's giving them too
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: much he can't comprehend it, then you better take stuff
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: out and make it simpler.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Like you saw on the Henry touchdown run, Photocossi came
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: on the sidelines and got into it with Buckner.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I think, and then another.
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: Got reached and pushed.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: And I know, but or did he did?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: He was he supposed to fill that gap and Lloyd
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be.
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: He was in his gap.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: He got reached the ball at the ball and he
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: put Devin Lloyd in no man's land.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Right, he could have had to pick one side or
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the other. He picked the wrong side and he went
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: out the other side.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: They they but again their mistakes are magnified by the
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: fact that they're not physical enough up front. You know, Tony,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: You've been on played even played against good defensive lines
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: where if a guy got out of it, had a
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: bad run fit, somebody was physical enough to win theirs
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and cover for him.
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: Well, I was. You know those great Ravens defenses.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, they set the all time record historic defense
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: in two thousand, but they were good at ninety nine
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: ninety eight too. Let's not forget defensively, they weren't that
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: the two thousand year. And everyone used to talk about
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: how great Ray Loos was and he's a Hall of
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: Famer and one of the greatest linebackers ever, and people
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: would say he's like, go, is he really tough?
• 32:13
  Speaker 11: I'm like I have no idea.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Half the time, we can't get to him because you
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: got Sam Adams and Tony Sarah Gusa taking up so much.
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: Dang space and you can't move those two human beings.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: And you know what's funny, Tony is we've gotten away
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: from that because everybody thinks the two down defensive lineman
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: is a waste, when the reality is, if you stop
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the run, the third down becomes even that much to you,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: more to your advantage. I think Jacksonville needs to find
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: big power players on defense.
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: Pet who works pretty well for Baltimore.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: And with Pierce.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and but Mattabuque is more of a he's.
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: The guys they have like three guys or just huge
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: human beings.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, this is just a hypothetical
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: If the team had added Klais Campbell and Jadeveon Clowney,
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: would they have been a better defense because they're not.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, neither one of them is a well Clais
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: is a power player, but and and Clowney plays power
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: football too.
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: I think, I mean Clay's was going to be limited.
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: And I mean, if you watch what you with the Atlanta.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: He was on a pitch count correct, I mean, as
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: he should be sixteen years in the NFL or whatever
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: it is. I think Clowney helps him for sure, I mean,
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: because he's a physical, disruptive player.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: But the Ravens are the number one defense in the league.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: They added Clowney in September and van Ney in October.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, and Pierce was in an addition because he
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: remember he opted out that one year and he's I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: mean you go across the board and and there's guys
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: like that all.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Over that raw they had Clowney in remember, So why
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: didn't that work out? Why didn't it work out well?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: In large part because I think Trent doesn't like giving
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: up compensatory picks.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: And that's all well and good when you're.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Like, if you're adding guys in free agency or whatever,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that's all well and good. But if your depensitory picks
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: are guys that aren't playing or drafted the second and
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: third round over the last couple of years, I mean,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: he drafted a running back at a tight end to
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: be amp up the offense, and neither one damped up anything.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: They're bad picks right now.
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean you look at this year, I mean
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: this draft, No, I think it's always too early to
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: measure a draft after this one year. But you only
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: got production.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Out of one player, really, the right tackle.
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: Right tackle now Antonio Johnson came on late.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he'll be a starting safety next year.
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: Good player, But your second three rounders were non factors
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: this year.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: The linebacker, because he can't stop drafting linebackers that he
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: picked in the fifth round got hurt.
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: I mean it just the defensive end of Louisville has
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: been on ir the whole. I mean, are inactive all void?
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And if you can't, if you can't take Chase on
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: his job, then clearly there's something wrong with you. They
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: put a lot of thought into bringing back Smooth to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: kind of fix things, and he's not the same player
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: he was. I mean, there were just too many bad
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: decisions being made and and you know what, probably part
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: of me was blinded to that when I picked him
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: to go to the Super Bowl, because I thought the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: quarterback would take that step and kind of erase some
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: of that, you know, and plus we took we've been
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: assumptions that some of those guys were going to take
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the next step Tony, but Pete.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: I actually the way this defense played down the stretch
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: is how I thought they'd play all year. I was
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: betting on the offense being much better, and I thought
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: they could overcome.
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: The I wouldn't.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: I'm about have said a weakness, but average the below
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: average interior. Because of the quarterback and skill set that
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: they had at the skill position, I thought.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: They were gonna score push to score five hundred points.
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: I mean I thought they were gonna score a lot
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: more point.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were talking about thirty points right by the way, JP.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Tony's we gotta give Tony credit.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: He said twenty five and a half sacks to those
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: two and he got them. And by the way, when
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: he said that, I said, if they get twenty five
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and a half sacks, they will definitely be playing super Yes,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: that's right.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: They got twenty seven and a half. But here's the
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: interesting Pete. Those two guys got twenty seven and a half.
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: The rest of the team had twelve and a half.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: It's not enough. Hey, let's come back. We'll get into
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen when we return. A Microsoft Question of the
• 36:38
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• 37:16
  Speaker 4: I just checked.
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: We call my age dog all the all that type
• 37:19
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• 37:23
  Speaker 13: I did at this time right now. But I'm worried
• 37:25
  Speaker 13: about getting my body back right, spend time with my
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: family and you know, keep folksing on what I'm gonna do.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Mixing Josh Allen today in the locker room the day
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: after the end of the regular season, and welcome back
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: to Shaguars Happy Hour on this Monday, final show for
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: us here in the twenty twenty three season. JP Shadwick,
• 37:46
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• 37:53
  Speaker 3: and Jaguars YouTube. Time for the Microsoft Question of the Day,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: how much How did the Jaguars handle the Josh Allen
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: contract situation this off season?
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: You gotta pay him or tag him.
• 38:11
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you got you gotta make sure
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: he's on the roster.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, let me tell you what's not a good
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: idea when you're lacking a lot of talent is letting
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: your best defensive player walk correct.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I mean you can't. And it's not like he's an
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: older defensive player. He's still relatively.
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: Young relative he's like twenty six.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Well, relative by NFL standards, relative by life standards, he's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: very young.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be twenty seven next football season.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: I mean you got to keep him.
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: You have no choice.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: What's he going to command?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Pete Well, I mean you start with what's Montese Sweat?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: What did Montese Sweat get? And and then he's had
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: more productive year than Montest Sweat. So I think you know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: where do you rank him in terms of the elite
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: pass rushers. He's not TJ.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Watt, He's not Miles Garrett, but his season says he is.
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: What does TJ. Wattet?
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: He ain't getting TJ. Watt money.
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: I'm just asking.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: That's why he has to tell it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what do you think? I mean?
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Montez Sweat got four years ninety eight million.
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's I think you're paying him between
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: twenty three and twenty five.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Top defensive end Nick Fosa has thirty four a year.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: He ain't getting that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's Garrett's twenty five sweats twenty four.
• 39:40
  Speaker 11: And I bet you, I bet you's in the twenty five.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Crosby and Hendrickson are twenty three and twenty one. So yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: he'll get.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: He'll probably get twenty four to twenty five, twenty six six.
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: He's better than Henderson.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Hendricks's not a great year though, Oh he's No.
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: When I say better, Henderson's a very good player, I'm not.
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: I'm not slight Henderson.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: No, he'll get.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: He'll get that, and you gotta find a way to
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: keep him. There's there's no doubt about that. You have
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: to find a way to keep them.
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: Well, here's the thing. You thought you'd have to pay
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: Trevor this year.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: You don't.
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: You don't pay Trevor this year. No, I wouldn't. No,
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: I love him.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: I'm not.
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: I'm not in the camp of half our fan base.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Who thinks he's that's ridiculous.
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: It's ridiculous. He's a franchisic quarterback. He's gonna be a
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: superstar still. I believe that with everything.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: He's developed some bad habits.
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: But you can but he'll fix it. I have full confidence.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Well if you have full confidence way him and you.
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: Don't have to dollars? Why do I have to? By
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: the way, I don't have to pay him for three years.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I don't want to, right, But the money's gonna only
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: go up, right, guess what else goes up?
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: JP? Sorry?
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: Cap?
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: But here here's okay. You clean out money. Sheriff's gone.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: You're cleaning out fourteen. You save fourteen million by releasing Sheriff.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: You save nine by releasing Photocosi gone.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Are you renegotiating Cam Robinson?
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Well, you've probably tried. You'd probably try to because his
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: cap number is twenty one million.
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll tell you this.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: I didn't if you asked me before the season is Cam,
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: We're gonna be a Jaguar in uh twenty twenty four.
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: You just said no, you got to bring him back.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, and I was, and I was on
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the opposite side of that in the big way.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Remember, yeah, you have to bring him back.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Zay Jones six million to say see uh, Roy robertson Harris.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: You save eleven and that you say eleven point seven
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: million dollars to get rid of Roy Roberts and Harris
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: how much eleven point one seven?
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Eleven point seven?
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not sure about day.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point you need receivers if if Ridley
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: is he.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Actually say six y nine.
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: I'm sorry, Pete, I think you're wrong about Zay.
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: You keep him Zay healthy, you're you're he does things
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: that I mean, maybe you renegotiate it, push some money out,
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: extending a year or two, but I'm not getting rid
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: of Ay.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: What do you do with Darius Williams?
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: He was your best corner?
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're gonna have to renegotiate him.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Probably sit You save ten million by letting him go,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: but maybe renegotiate that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Now he's thirty, gonna be thirty one next year.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: I think, Okay, here's your savings on guys ready.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you save seventeen on cam so you might want
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: to redo that deal. You got to restructure that. That twenty
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: one million dollar cap it for him is high nine
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: million for sheriff.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: He's gone seven million for a Lucon. You can't get
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: rid of him. Can you You probably try it. You can't.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Peter's hey, Pete, isn't that why you drafted Muma and
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: Devin Lloyd back?
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Of course, that's why, uh, Photocosi, you save three and
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a half million. Goodbye, Rayshawn jencoins you say five, see ya,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just going down so that some of the guys
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: they could get That's about it for guys that could
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: get rid of.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of holes to phill Pete.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: You don't save that much money by getting rid of
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: the other guys, though. It's a lot of holes to feel.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: But you can't pay those guys.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: We're gonna bring Josh Allen back at a big number, right,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: They're gonna have to try and reduce some of those deals.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Right, that's the point. You can't get rid of all
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: those guys.
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: Okay, hold on, Rashaan.
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: Antonio Johnson is then to take that spot, easy, easy out,
• 43:42
  Speaker 14: pod COSSI love him, nice guy, but I mean he's
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: not producing.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: He's not worth that money, you know any better?
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: With him? How much do you say?
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: With Roy?
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: You say, uh, actually you don't.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: You don't because uh, they redid his deal, remember got it?
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: Mm hmm, So he'll be back cam. You probably can.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Redo Photocosti's gone, Rayshawn Jenkins is gone. You're gonna have
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to redo kirksteal his cap pits twenty four million?
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: But here's the math you gotta do. Well, here's the
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: what you got a side peat? You can't bring.
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: Kirk? How much if you just let Kirk go? How much?
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: You say you only save two million?
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he's here, like, you can't pay Kirk and Ridley?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: No, what's Ridley going to command?
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, what about what about the tight end he's got.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: He's got to come back?
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Right, he's got he just signed a new deal, remember right, Yeah.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: But and his deal is isn't his cap number is
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: only seven million dollars.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: So, but here's the thing with Ridley and listen, he's
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: he has a skill set that is helps the team,
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: no doubt about it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: The stat that.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: Jumped out of me yesterday, Pete, you know that was
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: his only second year in his career to have over
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: a thousand yards.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well he hasn't played a lot of years either.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: He was the year he was the year before he
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: got he started taking time off and all that and
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: got in trouble. Was he was a thousand years receiver
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that year. He was actually moving to being the number
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: one wide receiver on that team. Was that two thousand and.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Twenty?
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: I was just surprised.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, I mean, okay, from what you've seen
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: of him, and you saw the two big plays, he
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: should have caught the one. I mean, it wasn't a
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: great throw. Trevor had time to make that a better throw,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: but he still could have. He still should have laid
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: out to catch the ball, don't you agree.
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, I would have liked to see him lay out.
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: It would have been an amazing catch.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Correct, It wasn't a great throw. He was on his
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: back foot and it wasn't a great throw.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: But the one in the middle of the field, I
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: mean he looked like that looked like big, big time
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: NFL receiver on that play.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: But Pete.
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: Is he a number one?
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: No, he's not.
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: I mean he's not a J. Brown, He's not.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: He's not.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: He's not Jamar Chase, he's not Justin Jeffers, he's not
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: He's not. No, he's not.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Jus Yeah, would you take kim or T Higgins?
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Is T Higgins a one?
• 46:39
  Speaker 11: I'm not. I'm not saying either the one. I'm just asking, well,
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: is that a similar skill set?
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Similar Let's come back second hour. We've got plenty to
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: discuss on the second half of this show, including fanatics,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: fan questions, and.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: If we haven't already, we'll keep it real.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: It's Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans.
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: H everything about the year and the opportunities that we've
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: missed and the good moments too. I mean the games
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: where we played well and had some big wins and
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: then but you look at the games where you know
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: we lost and maybe you win those games. We're not
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: in that position yesterday. But it all comes down to
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: you know, week eighteen, and we control, you know, if
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: we get into the playoffs and we're not able to deliver.
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: So that's disappointing. Like I said after the game, you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: still need some more time to reflect and think about everything.
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: And there's a lot of lessons learned this year, you know,
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: individually as a team, as an organization, just things that
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: you know we can do better moving forward. You know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: things that I can do better. I know I need
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: to play better consistently. So yeah, those things are disappointing,
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: and but I know we're gonna I know we're gonna
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: be better for it. I have no doubt about that.
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: I'm not going anywhere, you know, I'm gonna keep coming back,
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: and we're gonna learn from this, and it's gonna make
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: us better, it's gonna prepare us for what's to come.
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: And it's just part of our story and it's hard
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: to accept that right now.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: That is the quarterback of course.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence in the locker room today, the day after
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: the end of the twenty twenty three regular season, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: welcome back. It's our two of Jaguars Happy Hour, presented
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: by Mister Chubby's Wings, JP Shadrick, Tony Boselli, Pete Prisco
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: recapping a Jaguars loss to the Titans twenty eight to twenty,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: the final score and the end of the regular season.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: The Jaguars dropped five of their last six games and
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: missed the playoffs after an eight and three start. They
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: flirted with the number one seed after Week twelve for
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: a week or so, had a ninety six percent chance
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: of making the playoffs after week twelve, and they missed.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: So.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Questions now about the collapse, how it disintegrated, and the
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: path moving forward that all will be decided in the
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: coming weeks in the post mortem for the front office
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: and the coaching staff. A quarterback play is part of
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: that defense, a big part of that, especially in the
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: second half of the season, and plenty of pending free
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: agents including Josh Allen and Calvin Ridley to figure things
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: out with. And uh, that's where we are, Tony and Pete,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: and you get a long off season to trying to
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: answer some of these questions, and the question list is long,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: really long.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: I want to go back to the Ridley conversation real
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: quick because we had to wrap it up, Pete, Do
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: you bring him back?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Depends what the money is and how I can if
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I can finagle the mechanism, so I don't give up.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: If I'm giving up two, I'm not bringing him.
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: That's my point.
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: I don't think and listen, do I want Ridley on
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: the team, Yes, I think he's a good player. Yes,
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: But the money you're gonna have to pay him, I believe,
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: plus giving up a second rounder when you need to
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: invest in big people, I don't think I would.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Would you give up the four for him?
• 49:52
  Speaker 11: You already gave up before.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: That's what I mean.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Would you don't you have to?
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: You already give him a the third because time right right? Yes,
• 50:03
  Speaker 11: I give him a three?
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: Like if I didn't have to, would you pay him?
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Would you? Would you? Would you tag him? If you
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: could do that, tag him and then pay him. See
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: that problem with that is you're gonna need that tag
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: for Josh Zalen.
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: You gotta save the tag for Josh unless you can
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: get a deal done, which is unlikely. I would have
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: to go see what the receiver market is for a
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: guy like Calvin. I assume his agent and he are
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: gonna want number one wide receiver money.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: I'm just not gonna say it's not getting number one
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: wide receiver money.
• 50:36
  Speaker 11: Like as a free agent, what does he get paid?
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: Like I can see the Chiefs or something like that
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: giving him eighteen a year or something like that.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but I don't think he's getting he's
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: getting the elite elite money.
• 50:51
  Speaker 11: What is the elite elite money for receivers today?
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Let me look at the top guys right now as is.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you you know Jefferson's gonna get done
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: this summer, at least that'll change the dynamic a little bit.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Uh Tyreek Hills thirty million dollars.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: He ain't getting that.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Adams twenty eight million, No Cooper Cup twenty six million,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown twenty five, Stefan Diggs twenty four, DK Metcalf
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: twenty four, Deebo Samuel twenty.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Three to nine, Terry McLaurin twenty three.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: So he's gonna want that, that's what he's gonna be targeting.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: He ain't worth that.
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: No, I just don't think I'm gonna get to prioritize.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: And it's nothing against Calvin. But if you're mean to me,
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: if you're asking me who am I gonna pay? Am
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: I gonna pay Calvin Ridley twenty three or Josh Allen
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: twenty five? I'm paying Josh Allen?
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, on the surface, right now, as we talk about
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: this team, do you have any feeling that they will
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: be a better team next year than they were this year?
• 51:59
  Speaker 11: To tell me what they do him free agency? In
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: the draft, they go, get they go.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: They clearly don't have a ton of money to spend
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: it free agency. They gotta take care of Josh Allen.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: If you tag him, that's gonna take up a ton
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: of your cap.
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's if you can if you can get
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: if you get a deal done, you can make it
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: friendly for the early years, earlier years.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Right, But if you don't get him done before free agency,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: then you gotta tag him and that takes up a
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: bunch of your cap.
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: And I pete.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: I don't keep track of their exact cap space and
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: how much the cap is gonna go up. I mean they,
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: I know, they have some accounting gymnastics they can do
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: by because they haven't pushed money out. They have one
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: of the lowest, you know, amount of money pushed forward.
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: So there's some things they can do.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give it. Let's go through some of the guys,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: would you, Okay? Kelsey's an unrestricted free agency if he's
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: gonna plays and to go back to Phillipy. Listen, these
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: are the free agents. Kevin Zeitler, he starts to Baltimore.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: He's a pretty good player.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: But Jonah Williams, Dwayne Brown, Tyron Smith, they don't need that.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Jonah Williams, No, Aaron Brewer. You saw him play center
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: and he's not any good.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: He's tiny. Lucas Patrick.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Nothing, there's nothing on the market that they that used
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: to Graham Glasgow thirty one. You're gonna pay him. There's
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: nothing on the market that would excite them. Robert Hunt,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: but he's not an unrestricted free agent.
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: So.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: You're gonna have to fix your offensive line in the draft.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Tony, how tough is it. We've seen him come in
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: and play rookie center. Some of them have done a
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: nice job, some of them have strug Creed Humphrey has
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: been was outstanding as a rookie.
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: Baltimore rookie is pretty dang good. No, he was a
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: second year player. He's a rooki last year.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: But well yeah, and the center of New York kind
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: of struggled this year John Michael Schmidtz.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: But he started.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so let's just say it's a rookie center.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Sheriff won't be here, so let's it would be the
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: kid from app State. He'll be the right guard, maybe
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the left guard.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Cleveland.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to pay him to come back or something.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: He's an understricted free agent.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: No you have.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a tough Listen, they're not gonna be
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: better than they were this year.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: Well that depends the quarterback take a big step.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: But how's he gonna take a big step with what
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: around them.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: If Ridley's out the door, it's Kirk Ingram zay.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And where's the Where's where's the number one wide receiver
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: in that group?
• 54:51
  Speaker 11: Listen, Pete, I'm just playing.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I'm playing realist.
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: This is the problem. When you don't hit, you don't
• 55:00
  Speaker 11: get production.
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: Like you draft a running back in the third round,
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: you draft a tight end, a blocking tight end in
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: the second round.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: And by the way, that blocking tight end in the
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: preseason it looked like he was gonna maul people.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: In the regular season, he h't block anybody.
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's okay, but I I guess my point
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: is this, Pete, and maybe he has more pass game ability,
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: but you don't need that with Evan Ingram.
• 55:25
  Speaker 11: But like Luke Ferrell, is Breton Strange, like night and
• 55:32
  Speaker 11: day better than Luke Farrell.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: We had a grand total of thirty five receiving yards
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: this year, So no.
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: But or blocking, even blocking, I guess you one, you
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: didn't need that. And this goes to the philosophy, and
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: this is why you got to hit in the draft.
• 55:48
  Speaker 11: You can't build a team in free agency.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 55:52
  Speaker 11: And this team is missing the draft for too long.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: But here's the other thing.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Why are you targeting those positions at that spot point?
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: Your second and third rounders have to be starters, got
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: to be productive.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Why are you drafting a back in the third round
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: that when you don't need that's not a that's not
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: a knee position. You draft the guy in the late
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: round and hope you hit it on him and he's
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: a backup.
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: Why are you drafting a tight end and this is
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: not against bretton Strange in the second round when you
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: are deficient, and then he your offensive line.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: That Riller was taken in the fourth round when you
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: already had three linebackers.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: You paid one, you drafted two, and you traded up
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: the draft one in the first round. Tyler Lacy, what
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: did he do? Did he do anything?
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Not a lot? Not a lot.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Parker Washington played because he had to. Braswell was hurt
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: the draft that that draft was. It was non producing
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: in terms of what they did.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: Nothing.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: And then I mean, it's just you're right, Tony. They
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: drafting big people. I mean, Trayvon Walker is a football player.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: He's not an elite. When you compare his pressures to Hutchinson's,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: it's night and day one can rush from the edge
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: and one can't.
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: Well, Trayvon had forty four I think pressures this year,
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: Hutchinson had one hundred.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Right, Devin Lloyd trading back into the first round hasn't
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: been worth that.
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: Well, let me ask you a question, Pete, what what
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: they give up to go into the first round?
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Do we remember it was the second? Didn't they have
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: a second? And they traded that and something else? They
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: traded for picks thirty three, one oh six and one eight.
• 57:32
  Speaker 11: So a second and a third correct?
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: No, second and a and a fourth.
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: Second and fourth one six? Yeah, a bad math beginning
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: of the fourth.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, so let's keep going in that draft because this
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: is this dude.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Draft Fortner. No, And here's the other thing. Tony Fortner
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: is high and you always say place high. Could he
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: move to guard?
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: No?
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Muma? What is that waste?
• 58:01
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, listen, you draft. It only works if
• 58:10
  Speaker 11: you draft a guy like Muma and Lloyd, and you can.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: Let fory A walk this year because now you save
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: a bunch of money and.
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: You get younger.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, do you let him walk?
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: You can't because I don't think Mouma's shown that is
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: he gonna play in middle linebacker?
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: Are you better with muma line? No?
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: By the way, who's gonna get everyone lined up?
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Well? Maybe I be Trel Miller will play. They do
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: have that linebacker on the shelf.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, and then the rest of that draft, Greg
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Junior mont Trek Brown might have been the best pick
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: of all of them.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: And he's not any good, you know, Trayvon Walker is
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: the best pick.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: But okay, that's so there you go, bad draft, then
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: you can you go you go to twenty twenty one.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: That was the Trevor draft and atn right.
• 59:02
  Speaker 11: Well, and the Indians a good player.
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: But you and I are both of the school of
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: thought you never draft a running back.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: No, no, not the way the game's played nowadays. Okay,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: so that draft was Trevor Travis etn Tyson Campbell, who.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: They traded up for. Also, by the way, atn or, No,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: that was a second pick.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Is Tyson Campbell worth the thirty third overall pick?
• 59:30
  Speaker 11: No, I mean, he's a he's a solid.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: Corner Walker little doesn't play.
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: Second rounder on the backup Cisco starting caliber player, good pick.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Played good early after he got hur he won the
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: same I don't think he was quite the same player yesterday. Okay,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: then the rest of that draft gone. And you know
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: how many offensive linemen they picked in that draft, Tony Walker,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: little defensive You know any defensive linemen they picked in
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: that draft? Tony Zero, Ja Tufilly remember him.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: He was somebody else's practice squad this year.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 11: Little.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: I mean they didn't in the last couple of drafts.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: On the offensive line, they drafted Harrison Little and Fortner. Correct,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: that's it. One place high. One will be a good
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: quality right tackle and the other one's.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: A third tackle. If you keep your two starters, that's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: not good drafting.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: And you can't sustain winning in the era of the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: cap by loading up on expensive free agents.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: No does. And here's the other thing.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: When you supplemented your roster with some defensive linemen free
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: agents last year, neither one of those two guys made
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the team. Remember they bought those those two guys in
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: free agents and defensive linemen, and they didn't make the team.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: It hasn't been the roster building. Let's just put it
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: out there, has not been good. Okay, We've been hedging
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: and saying it eighteen thousand different ways.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: It hasn't been good.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: And Somebody asked me the other day what I would
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: do if I was shod conned. I would make changes.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Now what changes I make, I'd have to sit down
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: and think about it. But when I look at the roster,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: somebody's got to be held accountable for that.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: Is it a good NFL roster? No?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the two Pro bowlers and if you
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: want to count the deep snapper, aren't they from the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: last regime, both of them?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 11: Yes. Let me ask you a pete.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: Based on everything you said, I'm gonna say something I don't.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 11: I don't think I actually believe I'm gonna put it
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 11: out there based.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I wait for this.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 11: Based on your saying, do you let do you do?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: You let Josh Allen go and say we're just gonna
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: invest offensively and make a bet that Trevor's the guy
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: because we have we're gonna be in solid we have
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: some salary cap challenges, and we got it in our
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: bet is right a year from now, two years from now,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: we're gonna have to pay the quarterback, and we need
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: to build an offense around him, an offensive line, and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: as much as we love Josh, we're not gonna tie
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: that much money up in the camp because what you're
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: saying and I'm not sure, but I'm not sure I'm
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: on the same page as you, Pete.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 11: But what you're saying is this team is gonna be
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 11: no better. It's gonna be a middle of the pack
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 11: maybe get you know, fight in a division.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: That it's better, that will be better, but we'll.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 11: Fight to you know, have a chance to win the division.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: But is not an upper echelon team.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Correct, That's what I'm saying. If you, by the way,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: is c. J. Stroud better than Trevor Lawrence right now?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: If you were to ask the entire country, they have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: everyone but Jaguar fans, maybe some Jaguar fans and the.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: Jaguar fans because right now he played better than him.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they would say yes.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: By the way, if you did move on from Josh,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: that would be another first round pick that didn't make
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: it to a second contract for the Jaguars that list.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think you move I don't
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: think you I don't think.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: If you did move away from it, what are you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: talking about doing to fix the Take me, what are
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: you doing for the offense? If you went and side
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: pay T Higgins, that ain't gonna take this team to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the next level.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 11: That's the problem, Pete.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: And so I would not I would sign Josh and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: I would just say, listen, I'm gonna go in best,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna make I'm gonna go find the I'm gonna.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 11: Here's the thing. This call what it is, Pete. You
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 11: have to draft better.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, but but what over the last course of the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: last three years has given you any indication that their
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: draft will fix what this roster is ailing the roster,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: there's nothing. There's no confidence that that's going to happen
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: at all, none, Pete.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: I did it.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: I went through the other day, actually this is probably
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: a month ago, and I went through the roster, and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: I want your opinion, and said, how many guys on
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: this team are starting caliber players who were drafted by
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: the organization.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: And then I went and I said, how many are
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: impact players that were drafted by this organization?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Also another good one.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: And then and then by comparison, just let's just go
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: through the offense real quick.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: We can do this quickly, Okay.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: Starting caliber players on offense Trevor etn Cam and uh
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: Anton Harrison.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: That were drafted by the drafted by the organization.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 11: Four.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: Right, you can't say Brent Stranger this time, it's too early.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: You can make an argument because I do believe that
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: Walker Little would start on half the teams in this league.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: But he's not for this one.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: Okay, but you have so let's just say four, maybe
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: four and a half. If I give you a Walker Little,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: but four, how many starting caliber defensive players have been
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: drafted by this organization? Josh Allen, Trayvon Walker is a
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: starting Calbert all day long, Tyson Campbell, and Lloyd Devin Lloyd,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: Devin Lloyd.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 11: That's five.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: And I'm gonna make a bet on Antonio on uh
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: John's on the Antonio.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: Safety Antonio Johnson. He was a late round pick that'll
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: end up being a good pick for that.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 11: That's what I'm saying. So let's say I'll give you six,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 11: and I would even give you a.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: Seven prior to Devon Hamilton being hurt because he was
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: playing good football last year. But then you go to like, okay,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: so that so let's say it's somewhere between ten and twelve,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: right starting cut, that's ten or twelve. Now I'm not
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: putting all on Trent because that was they go back
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: to Dave Carwell years too. So then let me ask
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: you a question, Pete. So let's say it's ten to twelve, right,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: how many impact players, game changing players have been drafted
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: by this organization?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, I guess you could say Josh Allen.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 11: Josh Allen.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: I still think Trevor.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 11: Most people I'm in the Trevor camp.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Well, the statistics this year said Cam Robinson was that
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: big of a difference maker for them.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: And you know what, but here's this is why I'm
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: not going to put Cam there, because to be an
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: impact player, don't you have to at least be a
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: pro bowler one time in your career.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you're making the parameters.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not. He's not an impact player. He's just
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: a good, steady player.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: He's a good player. I don't want to get rid
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: of him.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 11: And I still believe that Cam is a Pro Bowl
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 11: quality player. But he has to do it for a year.
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  Speaker 2: That's it, though, that's it. How about ETN do you
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: count him?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Point, he was at one point, he was leading
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: one point, he was leading the league.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 11: And that's it.
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  Speaker 4: That's it. And and then when you go through the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: forty nine ers roster.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 11: But before we go to forty nine.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to get a break two guys real quick.
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  Speaker 8: Here.
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  Speaker 5: That's the problem.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Correct that drafting is the problem.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Hey, Russ Madison is going to a Pro Bowl?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Does he count? Okay, they're back in a moment. Let's
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: keep it real. When we come back. The Jaguars are
• 1:08:10
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  Speaker 3: out the early part of the twenty twenty four NFL
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: Draft first round order. The Jaguars have the seventeenth pick
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: in the first round of the twenty twenty four draft,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: and draft talk is here way too early.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: We always try to.
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  Speaker 4: Not talk to too early.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: No, it's it's time now. I think, Pete, what position?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: If you are drafting, Pete, would.
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  Speaker 4: You pick offensive line?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Like Tony said, interior guy.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: That's a little high for an interior. I'd probably go
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: interior defensive lineman if I could.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: I am drafting the best offensive lineman or defensive lineman on.
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  Speaker 11: The board, and he'd better be big, and he'd better
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 11: be nasked.
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  Speaker 6: I'm draft from the biggest, most physical offense or defensive
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  Speaker 6: lineman on the board at seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know, Tony, it's funny you say that,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: because I just looked at the forty nine ers. They
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: drafted Aaron Banks, who's their six foot four, three hundred
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: and thirty pound guard that plays next to Trent Williams
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: in the second round.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: They drafted the right guard who's six foot five.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Three hundred and fifteen pounds in the fourth round, and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: they drafted the right tackle who's not a big guy,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: but he's six six, three h five plays physical in
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: the fifth round. But they always took shots on linemen
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: each year.
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  Speaker 11: And you look at their d line, Bosa Armstead.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: They missed with kin Law, but he plays, he starts
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: kin Law.
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  Speaker 11: They missed with Solomon Thomas. He's gone.
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  Speaker 6: They went they you know where they spend free agency.
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  Speaker 6: They went and got a game changer in hard grains.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: They went and got the Broncos to pay for Gregory.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: They went and got a rental for the cheap and
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: the kid from Chase.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and think about it, and we can have a draft.
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  Speaker 2: What last year really because they had all they gave
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  Speaker 2: away all those picks with.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: The Trey Lance botching well.
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  Speaker 6: And then you know, and then look at they hit
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: on Greg Kittle fourth rounder, Deebo Samuels second rounder.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, and then all the all the linebackers were in
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: the later Law and greg door Leonor was the corner
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: was taken in the fifth round.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: A Fungo was taken in the fifth round. Ayuk was a.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: First round pick. But yeah, you're you know Green Law
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  Speaker 2: and Fred Warner. That's where you build your draft. And
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: then when those guys come up, you're they're cheap for
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: a long time and then if they're stars, you pay them.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: If not, you let them go. Out the door and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: you replace them else.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 11: Guess what you keep on draft of them?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: Right, it's it's you know. To me, the bad drafting
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: has crippled this franchise.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 11: Pete, go look at the last decade of drafting.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not good.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 11: Last decade.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: When was the last guy that came from nowhere to
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: become a Pro Bowl type player?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Telvin Smith?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: Wasn't he What round was he taking?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: It was taken pretty high.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: That's probably the last one. Right.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: If Antonio Johnson becomes a player, I think he can
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: become and I liked him. He was on my team
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: of guys I like better than most people last year.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: He will be one.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: But Pete, how many people in the last how many
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: guys in the last.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 11: Ten years have they drafted that were Pro Bowl players.
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  Speaker 4: The funny thing about this whole thing, they were telling.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: People before the season they thought they had ten quality
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: offensive linemen that could start for every team in the league.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know what they saw.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 11: I never saw it high.
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  Speaker 6: I never understood the bet that Ben Bartch was gonna
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: come back when he wasn't very good before he heard
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: his knee and coming off a knee injury, and you're
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: counting on him to be your starting left guard.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: He's now in San Francisco. He probably end up starting
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: for that down round.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't understand the Fortner that like, oh, he's gonna
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: get bigger and stronger, Okay, but is he gonna play high?
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  Speaker 11: And I understand you know.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: You know, the way he plays reminds me of a
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: center from yesteryear.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 11: That guy was more physical.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: He was at least he would get in the middle
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: of stuff. Yeah, but that guy played high too.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: There you have it.
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  Speaker 3: at jbs NS League. Could Derrick Henry be a Jaguar
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  Speaker 3: in the.
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  Speaker 11: Future, No, no.
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  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, what do you want to go get an
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: aging running back for?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah? I mean I love Derek Harry. He's his hometown here.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 11: I mean, if he wants I.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Mean, and he's been and he's been a star in
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: this league and he's been a great player.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: But yeah, for veteran minimum. If he wants to come
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: be a part of it, yeah, why not?
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  Speaker 6: But someone will pay him more than that, but not
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: for what he'll get.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 11: I wouldn't. And does he fit the way that Doug
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 11: wants to play?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: If they're talking about you're talking about offensive line and
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: getting more physical in the middle and all that, Well,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: that's that's Derreck Henry, right, But he But.
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  Speaker 6: Derek's line up eight yards deep inside outside zone, downhill I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean, I mean, and if you want Derek hen y'all here.
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  Speaker 11: He lost it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: He was he wasn't the same guy. He's not the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: same guy.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 11: He just found it against us, certainly.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: By the way, just as little Fyi, the third highest
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: rated forty nine er player on Sunday was offensive player
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: was Ben.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Barche Wow about that? Good for big good? I like
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: that all right.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: Next question, AT's still a Jags fan, Tony. Why did
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: the players say they were looking for a spark? Is
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: that something normal players do. They're professionals. That should be enough.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: I think what they mean by there by that is
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: they were looking for a play or something to change
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: the momentum. And you know, not not that they weren't
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: emotional or were trying or anything like that, but things
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: start going the wrong way on you and you need
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: sometimes you just need a big play, someone do something, ball,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: bounce your way whatever.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 11: I think that's what they're saying.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: They weren't saying, you know, we needed someone to come
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: give us a raw ross speech or say something. It
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: was just like, you know, when this team was sliding
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: the wrong way.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: Are you talking about in that game or period?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I think to about overall is what the you know
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: they talked about that.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all that, but in that game they got a
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: spark when when Tony when Cisco had the interception and
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: they went run throw a dump for four yards and
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: now you're in third down and you have to go
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: on fourth down instead of that, there's.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: No aggression there that you get that turnover. You gotta
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: go bang down the field, take a shot.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if it's over the length of the losing streak.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's what someone's got to step up leadership.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: It's like, hey, enough's enough, let's go practice. Are in
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 6: a practice cleaner? Yes, the start a fighting practice?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: Do they have enough like, for lack of a better term,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: jerks on the team, you know, I mean that are
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: those kind of guys JP.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: It's unfair for me to say I'm not around the
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: team enough in the locker room and everything else to
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: understand the full culture.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 11: You probably have a better sense of that being an
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 11: OPRAH locker rooms and stuff. Yeah, I mean, I haven't
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 11: been to a practice since training camp. I don't know.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Tom Coffin was a rigid task master, went too far
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: probably at times.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: Is Doug Peterson the opposite of that? Is he too.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: Is there some happy medium in between the two of them.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 11: I don't know, Pete.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: I they look.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: They look like me, like they get fat and happy
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: for one and that their fundamentals go out the window
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: at times when they start when they start winning, it's
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: almost like, Okay, we won where we've arrived. Now we
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: don't need to do all the things that we did
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: to get here. And that somewhat goes on to the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: head coach.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not going to comment on what Doug you know,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: how he talks to the team eam and kind of that,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: because we're not around it.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 11: I mean, JP's around it more than any of it.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not even around that. You know, none of us are.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Well no, but you okay, I wasn't in your team
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: meetings and stuff, but I knew what Goughlin was doing.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 11: But didn't we have a And I'm not speaking to
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 11: this team, but I'm going back to our team. We
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 11: had a bunch of guys that had a little bit
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 11: of an edged.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Right there's are there edgy guys that's a better word.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, there's not a lot of edgy guys on
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: this team.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: Like we even like we had got like to me
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: like Logs was like in.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 11: Those earliers, he's a little bit of a jerk, you know, Yes.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Yes he was.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: He was. He had an attitude, you.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: Know, so you know, and then you had the flip
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: side of that, you had a veteran like Clyde Simmons
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: who kind of you know, I mean, there was just
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: you know, I don't I mean, then we had a
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: good mix of young guys and well.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: And that's just it. There's not a real good mix,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: uh that around This team.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen was filled with those kind of guys, right,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: I mean the edgy you want to edg you guys.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: That defense in seventeen had it in spades.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: But it also had a bunch of veterans on it too.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: But it didn't last long. It blew up because they
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: were over the edge a lot in the second year.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: Well, and some of them were peaking, and then it
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: went right off the ledge.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 6: I think also, it's hard for me to answer that
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: question JP, because at the end of the day, there
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: has to be some internal competitive drive.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: That like, right, I'm with you, I've alwasked you.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 11: That drives the individual.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: You just hate the losing, so much that the next
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: week you show up, you're gonna do everything in your
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: power and everything they want you to do to make
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: sure and even more to make sure you win the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: next week. That's that's That's why I've always been a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: big believer in internal motivation. If I can't get myself
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: to the point where I'm ready to play, then something's
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: wrong with me. If I'm not going to do the
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: extra work that week, something's wrong with me. And I
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: think they've lost sight of that.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: I really do.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: I think when they got to eight and three, we
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: saw it over their course in the last couple of
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: years when they had a big win.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they come back and have a bad loss. That
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: that to me speaks.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: That they don't put the work in, and all the
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: busts in the secondary and the missteps on the run
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: fits and everything else that just shows up not preparate,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: no preparation.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: Like I gainst me I'll speak to.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: I think losing Kirk hurt this team a lot offensively,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: because Kirk's that guy that's like he's not I'm not
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: saying he's an edgy guy, but he has that call
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: whenever I watch he has.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 11: An internal competitives. No doubt about it.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: But he also has that calming kind of influence, like
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: everything's like gonna be alright, Like I was like like
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: whenever i I've ember, like even earlier this season when
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: they weren't playing like that a two game losing streak,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: Like Kirk with hockey, he's got that sense like all right,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: Like he's like, oh right, we'll be all right, like
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: he had.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: That right but he and I'm going to say something
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: here because I think Trevor Lawrence is a pros pro.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: I think he gets it in the way he thinks
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: and talks after games.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: He's a pros pro.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: I think he needs more of an edge on the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: field in terms of he's tough as nails. Don't get
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: me wrong. Him playing through all the stuff he played
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: through is amazing. I'm talking about the Marino mentality on
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: the field.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: That's what he needs.
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  Speaker 11: I'm gonna push back.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying you're wrong there, I'm gonna push back
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: to the overall conversation we're having. Here's what also happens
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: when maybe you're not as good as you think you are,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 6: and maybe the steams might not be that good. They're
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 6: not very good at the lion scrimmage. And when that happens,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: you know you do as a player, as sometimes coaches everyone,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: you start looking for a reason why, well, we needed
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: a spark, we needed this, or was this It might
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: just be not talented enough.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 11: Be like, this is who you are.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: But like you go to the Cleveland game.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Cleveland's a playoff team. They should have won that game.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: They had how many bus did they have that day?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Wide open bus?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: That's that's bad, that's bad practicing, not putting your work in.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 11: But that's who you are, Bill Parcels, remember the famous
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 11: Bill bart You are what you are, you are who
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 11: you record, what your record says you are. Yeah, that's
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 11: who this team is. It's a five hundred team. We're
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 11: just Ober five hundred. They're seventeen games.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: It's got a couple more questions and at Hodari eleven.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think Peter King will ever listen to Pete
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: again when it comes to the Jags. Will there be
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: an apology In the case of Mandavi Jan sent to
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: him great show, what's you all the best?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: Why he can't make his own damn mind up? That's
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: his problem. I mean, look, I'm the idiot that had
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: him in the Super Bowl. I don't think you think
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: Peter King put him in Super Bowl? Did he? Or
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: did he.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Follow didn't you talk him into like you.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: Were told him?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Why I had him in the super Bowl because of
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: the schedule and how I thought it would be an
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: easy schedule, and.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: Lo and behold, the division was better than I thought
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: it would be.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 11: Well, and the the.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Pretty right, So yeah, look, bottom line is I overestimated
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of things about this football team.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: Well, by the way, it doesn't get any easier next year,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 6: you got the same division now, and we gotta play
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: the NFC North.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 11: You get the Lions, you got the Packers.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: Your Bears are going to be better. The Bears got better.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 11: He will probably have cousins back.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: Right, that's not any That's not an easy road either.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: In this year they had the n f C South.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: We then you're yeah, and then you're gonna play a
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: second place schedule because you're second in the division.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 11: So you're gonna have you'll have who you have. You
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 11: have the.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: Raiders, I think you'll have the you'll have the Dolphins,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: and you'll have the Browns.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: It's it's not gonna be easy, and they're not and right,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: now because I know this is our last show of
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: the year.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: On the paper, They're not gonna be better than they
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: were this year.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: My opinion Mike Deroko, by the way, had yesterday. The
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: twenty four opponents are set at home Texans, Colts, Titans, Patriots, Jets, Packers, Vikings, Browns.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Those are all the home.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Games away Texans, Colts, Titans, and then the Bears, Lions, Dolphins, Raiders, Eagles,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: and Bills.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: That's a brutal schedule.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they might be drafted first next year twenty twenty five.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, let's get one more question.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 11: We're gonna go to Vegas next year, baby.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right and not do anything excepup sitting in
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: the hotel room at j Harchurch, G. Does Doug need
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: to get back in the lab with this offense and
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: how Trevor fits into it me personally?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: Yes, JP.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 11: What was the overall tone of Doug's press efference today?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 11: I didn't get it. So I was on the plane, you.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: Know he didn't.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: He was still with press Taylor, right, that was gonna be.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: He's not doing anything there.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: It sounds like they wanted him to get rid of
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: press Taylor in Philadelphia, and he wouldn't get rid.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Of it right. And then you know he was very cautious.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: I think he can say something about I saw something
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: on Twitter about calling out the turnovers, almost like he
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: was blaming the quarterback.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean he was like second in the league
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: in turnovers or something, wasn't he.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen turns the ball over all the time. But
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: you know what Josh Allen does. He they allow him
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: to come out from underneath them.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 11: But I also he said something about the offensive line JP.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and look at the thing.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: It was a thirty minute press conference.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, it's no no, I put you on
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: the spot. I mean, listen, Doug's an offensive guy. He's
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: gonna get he's gonna get involved.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 11: I don't think he was not involved this year, by
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 11: the way.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's the one calling the plays into the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: court back, he's on the sideline, he's the he's the
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: coach in his ear.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 11: He's involved in the whole process. I don't blame it
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 11: since around.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: I think he was involved in it more than he
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: He leads on too, and which that's not good. By
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: the way, because if that's the end result, then maybe
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: they need to go get another guy to run the offense.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: He did going through the transcript here. Early he was
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: talking about injuries and the left side of the offensive line,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: especially in the change there, and the continuity was more
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: a lack of continuity was more of the issue than
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: But they never blamed the center. Never.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: They always say how he's a good player, good player,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: good player. Is he a good player?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 8: No?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: He actually talked about Fortner today though, he said, we
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: ask a lot of Luke. He handles things extremely well.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: He's had to go against some pretty good tackles in
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: serior alignement as well, and he's held up pretty well.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: Continue to work on strength and different things like that.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: But it's a good group of guys as you're talking
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: about that bet whole draft class.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, real quick, Tony, I can fix
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: this team real quickly on the offensive lines. Get get
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: a Marcus Stroud and a John Henderson and a Michael
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Cheever in his prime.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: How about that? Would that work?
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 11: Yep?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: Uh, we're back in a moment. Those are the fanatics,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: fan questions.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 11: I'm not gonna I mean, I don't want to, but
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 11: I disagree with Doug on that one.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Back in a moment, final thoughts for the season ahead
• 1:28:31
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  Speaker 1: Well, now what I mean off seasons here? Now what
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: you know, man?
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: This steaks Pete, Well, look it stinks because the obviously
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: we've pointed to the reasons why it stinks, and now
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: they have to go try and fix it. And that's
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: the that's the roster building part.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: Of the job.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: You have to fix your mistakes. You have to get
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: out from underneath them. You have to find replacements. You know,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: I just think that drafting God. Take a look at
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: the Rams. Okay, look at the Rams. The Rams are
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: going to have maybe the offensive rookie of the year
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: in Poka, and probably should have the defensive rookie of
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: the year in Kobe Turner. Kobe Turner was a third
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: round pick. Puka Nakua was a fifth round pick. Okay,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: they drafted another defensive lineman, Young in the third round.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: He starts and I think he has seven sacks on
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: the season. Good drafting teams fix their issues. Look where
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: the Rams are right now? Aside from Aaron Donald, can
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: you name five players on that defense? No, you go
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: to the offensive side of the ball. Their offensive line
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: was a missmash of guys this year. But you know
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: what they played really well this year.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 11: That left tackle.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: Alaric jack Alaric Jackson.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 11: Where'd he come from?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: He's a good He was.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: An Iowa player. In fact, he was on my team
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: when he came out that year. He was a guy
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: I liked and he wasn't He was a backup on
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: their roster. He played him ac guard a couple of times,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: and then they moved to the left tackle this year,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: and he's done a nice job, really nice.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 11: I saw we played someone right after that. Oh he
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 11: played his Miles. I think the Rams play in Cleveland. Yes,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 11: he did a good job against Miles Garrett.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, and the guy playing next to him is exactly
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: what you want in Jacksonville, Steve Avila. You know that
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: kid from TCO, big physical, power guard, left guard, the
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: right guard note Boom plays over there. They have uh
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: you know, Hanstein plays right tackle, big physical right tackle.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, and it works.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: They've drafted well, they and they tore that thing to shreds.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Remember they toured the shreds.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they thought, I mean it was a big question.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 6: Remember going in the last offsea in is Stafford gonna
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: want to stick around for a rebuild? Well that rebuild
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: took exactly all of one off season.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: And you know the amazing thing about it, Before the season,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: I do my power ranks. Before the season, I go
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: back and mock myself with my last group of power rankings.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: I had the Rams at thirty one.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: Wow. And they're playing this weekend and.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 11: They'll give Detroit all they want.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get into that. The playoff schedule this weekend
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: and Super wild Card weekend, the NFL is calling it,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: and a pair of games on Saturday, the Browns the
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: five seed visit the four seed Houston Texans. This would
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: have been the Jaguars spot that's at four thirty. Then
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: the sixth seed Dolphins and the three seed Chiefs that's
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: at eight o'clock. Who do you like in those?
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: I like the Browns.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: I think Joe Flacco in the playoffs is going to
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: start playing like Joe Flacco did in the old time
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: playoffs with the Ravens. And then the other game, the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Chiefs are Miami's just decimated by injuries on the defensive
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: side of the ball. I think they might be the
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: perfect tonic for what else. The Chiefs offense the problem
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: is supposed to be zero.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think because of the weather and
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 6: because of that Chiefs defense, and you know, the Dolphins
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: have injuries on offense too. Now they might get waddle
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: back and most are back this week, but right are
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 6: they gonna one hundred percent Tyreek Hills beat up? And
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: that Chiefs defense is really good. I think the Chiefs win.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 11: I like the Browns as well.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: All right, Sunday the seven seed Steelers against the two
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: seed Bills in Orchard Park one o'clock kick, Packers Cowboys
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: a seven to two game in the NFC at four thirty,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: and then the Rams Lions that you guys spoke of
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: the six to three game is the eight o'clock games.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: That's a busy day.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh has no business being in the playoffs.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin has done one of his best coaching jobs
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: of all time.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: That team's bad. Across Miles Jack is making plays at
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: linebacker for me.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 11: He retire, I'll be in Buffalo.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: I'm doing that game. Actually, I got to book my
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: flights today, so I'll be in Buffalo. I think the
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: Bills win that. I think the count I mean the Packers.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: Give the Packers credit. They got a quarterback again. Jordan
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: Love can play.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: Yes, he can.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: I thought he could play.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: That was one of my I picked the Packers to
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: go to the postseason and all the pressures on Mike
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: McCarthy and Dak Prescott in that game.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: Go in there and go let it ripe.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 6: And then I think the Lions win. I think they
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: get physical and I think.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: I worry about their defense a little bit. I worry
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: about you got a bit, Tony. The way this season
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: is gone, We're gonna see a team get come from
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: nowhere and get hot and win. So you got to
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: figure out which one is. Who's it going to be?
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: It has to be one of those teams.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 11: I just can't pick against my boy Brunell. So that's
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 11: why I'm picking.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: I know you can't.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: And then Monday Night the Eagles and the Bucks in Tampa,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: Monday Night football in the playoffs, Hire the Cannons at
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: Raymond James for the Eagles.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: In the Bucks, I wasn't eight o'clock kick.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: You really were prepared for that, Jacobs.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't expect the music to come on.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 11: There's my upset of the weekend. I think the Bucks
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 11: meet the Eagles.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: I think they did beat the Eagles as well. I
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: think the Eagles are a mess. How how quickly you
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: go from there to there? And they were the number
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: one seed at one point, cruising along and he's never
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: played really that.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: That well though, even leading up to that, you have it.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: Hey, a couple of minutes left here, guys, there's been
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: a pleasure doing this program again. Each and every Monday
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: with you and hearing your guys takes on the Jaguars
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: in the league as a whole. And here we are
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: another season in the books.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope the next time we're on the air,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Fred Taylor's in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm hoping, man. I mean I think he, guys,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: I think he has a real chance, Pete, because I've
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: always thought once he gets in the room, then you
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: have to discuss what he really did and who he was.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: Only guy over eleven thousand and five of yards not
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame, third highest rushing per attempt
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: in the history of this league.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: And the only in one of only three guys with
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: twenty five hundred rushing yards were averaged four point six
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: per carry.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 11: And he is not.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: There's very few players who've ever played the game that
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: could do what he could do from a power and
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 6: speed and elusiveness.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 11: There's like he. To me, he's a Hall of Famer.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 11: I'm pulling hard for him me.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: Too, And I've I've sent out a letter.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: I said, yes, I promised you guys, I wouldn't be
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: coming after after Tony Biselli, but I lied.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 11: So I'm up pulling for Freddy t me too.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this was this was a year.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 11: Weird year.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: This is the least amount of Mondays we've ever done
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: because we had Christmas and New Year's off.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 11: So yeah, we.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: Weren't able to get to really blast them as they
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: went down the toilet.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: No, we we'll just have to watch Twitter to do that.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 11: I guess I'm expecting we were going to be doing playoffs.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 11: That didn't work out either.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: So great year, JP, awesome job as usual hosting and
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 6: putting up with Pete and I and all the guys
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: in the back.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 11: Just what a great year.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: It was awesome one year though, Actually say let's go
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: this year around Tony pe JP, Happy New Year.