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Mega Edition: The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial And The Sealed Co-Conspirators (5/1/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: An article this morning from Law and Crime and Adam Klasfeld, who,
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like I've said countless times, has done very very good
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work as far as covering the legal aspect of the
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Epstein case and the Maxwell case and a bunch of
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other cases that are out there, but specifically on what
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we discuss. He has done a very very solid job
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of putting the pieces together for knuckleheads like me who
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aren't lawyers. Right, I'm fuddeling my way through all of
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this stuff too. I can't tell you how much time
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I have had to spend going back and looking up
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certain you know, law terminology and what this law means
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and what that law. I could probably be a paralegal
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at this point, maybe definitely a jailhouse lawyer. So if
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I ever get sense of the whoscal to try and
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save myself from getting absolutely decimated while I'm in the pen,
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maybe I could become a jailhouse lawyer. Because shit, I
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have learned quite a bit by reading articles and and
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case study and stuff by guys like Adam Klasfeld and
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a few others. So all kidding aside, if you're not
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following him on Twitter and stuff like that, you probably
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should definitely should be if you're if you're interested in
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the Epstein case for sure. Headline prosecutors asked judge to
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withhold the names of Glene Maxwell's uncharged co conspirators from her. Okay,
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that's a big headline. Huh, uncharged co conspirators. Now, I
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know what you're saying to yourself. First reaction, first, visceral
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visceral reaction is why the fuck aren't they charged? And
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that was the first thing I said to myself as well.
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But after I uh cooled down after the initial reading
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of the headline there, I said to myself, Ah, well,
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probably it's because whoever is an uncharged co conspirator at
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this point is probably providing information to the government for
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them to help, you know, build this case. And that
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is that's my guess when it comes to uncharged co conspirators,
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because there's way more than enough to charge all these
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fucking people under RICO. And we're gonna do an article
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later on about the the r Kelly child and you know,
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following up on the first one we did, you know,
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laying the groundwork about how that is a RICO case,
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but the Epstein case isn't. Well, when you start reading
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some of the things he's charged with, and you start
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seeing some of the some of the way that the
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case was built against him. It's a head scratcher, folks,
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how he is charged with RICO but Maxwell and company
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are not. And I wish one of these legal beagles,
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like Adam Klasfeld or one of these other really highly
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intelligent lawyers could explain to us how it's possible that
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it's really in one instance but not RICO in the other,
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because I just don't see any pathway for the government
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to give us a proper explanation how this is not
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a RICO case, especially with all of these co conspirators.
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We already know that Jean Luke Brunel's a co conspirator,
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Prince Andrew is a person of interest. We've been saying
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that since you know, the beginning of all of this.
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Glenn Maxwell herself is being looked at as basically the lead,
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the last you know, standing ahead of the hydra at
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this point. So she's part of the conspiracy. That's three
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people right there. It only takes two or more people
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in an ongoing criminal enterprise to have a conspiracy. So
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what in the fuck are they waiting for? I wish
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somebody could answer that question for me. Still to this day,
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nobody has put forth a correct and proper response to
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why there is no Rico here, And until somebody does that,
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I'm gonna be yelling and yapping about it. Now. If
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somebody can explain it in a cogent manner and let
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us know, all right, here's why no RECO in this case,
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but RICO in this case, then I'm certainly willing to listen.
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But until then you're gonna have to deal with my
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fat yep yelling about Rico. Federal prosecutors urge the judge
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not to force them to provide Glaine Maxwell a complete
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list of her charged co conspirators, arguing that those disclosure
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risks excuse me, that those disclosures risk harm to the
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government from restricting its proof at trial. So the government,
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in Layman's terms, doesn't want to show their hand, right,
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They feel like it is bad for their case if
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they disclose this sort of thing. And it makes me
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gives me a little bit of hope, right, a little
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bit of faith that perhaps, maybe, just maybe they're waiting
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to be real scuzzbags of the government, And in this case,
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I cheer them on but waiting right before the tryout
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to blaster with the superseded indictment that includes Rico, and
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again that's always a possibility, right, But the unnamed co
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conspirators portion of this, it really leads me to believe
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that there's people whistling behind the scenes doing their best
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Joe Velacchi impersonation right now. And that could be the
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only explanation that I can see anyway. Right, that explains
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the situation we have here co conspirators that are not
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named that Maxwell is trying to get access to as
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far as information, and she's being denied that access because
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it's part of their case. Yeah's something is a brewing, folks.
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You smell it. It's like when you wake up in
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the morning you're on vacation. Take me from instance. I'm
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on vacation in a cabin with some family or friends.
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I'm in the furthest part of the house. They have me,
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you know, out by where like the bears can get
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me right. They're like, all right, we'll put Bobby out there.
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But I start smelling that coffee, you know, I wake up,
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I'm like, what's that smell? I smell something good is
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brewing and that's the same. Here. Something is brewing, folks,
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and I'm just you know, just waking up and we're
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getting that scent. There's something going on behind the scenes,
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and there's more charges that are either hanging over people's
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heads ready to drop them on them, or I think
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there are some sealed indictments. Again, I don't know how
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far they go or the scope, but this kind of
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language leads me to believe that. And again I could
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be completely wrong, right, I'm not, As you all know,
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I don't sit here and tell you I got inside
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information or I have sources, no, none of that shit.
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If I ever do have that stuff, of course, I'll
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tell you that, right, But I don't have that. I'm
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not a journalist. This is a commentary show. We do
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here is we you know, chop it up about the
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case as a whole on a daily basis. I'm not
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out there with the resources like some of these journalists, right,
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So I'm not going to sit here and tell you, oh, yeah,
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I've been developing and cultivating this source. The only sources
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I've ever really had in this case are the people
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who reached out to me that I went and talked
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to in New Mexico. That's pretty much the extent of it.
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I mean, other people have reached out to me. I'm
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not going to really go too far into that, but
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not it hasn't been you know, I'm certainly not a journalist,
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I can tell you that, tell you folks that much.
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Right now. I'm more into commentating on the state of
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things right I'll leave the journalism to the people that
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are supposed to be doing that job. Although it is
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not required to do so, the government can state that
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as of the date of this letter, and although the
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government may change its view as it prepares for trial,
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it currently intends to introduce co conspirators statements at trial
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from only two individuals. Assistant US Attorney Alison Moe wrote
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in a four page letter on Wednesday, and again shout
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out to Alison Mo. I'm very hard on prosecutors. I'm
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very hard on the process for the most part, because
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I've seen the way it treats poor people, and I'm
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not a fan of it, folks. Okay, I'm not a
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fan of it. But Alison mo seems like she has
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some integrity, and she seems like she's somebody who really
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gives a shit about her job. And about other people.
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Now again, I don't you know her personally, or you know,
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we didn't go to school together or anything like that.
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But from the outside looking in, she certainly gives off
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the vibe of somebody who gives a fuck. And I
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shouldn't have to even point that out. They should all
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give that vibe off, right, They should all seem like
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they care. But in a world where hardly anybody does,
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it seems like we got to point out and tip
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the cap to people who do. And Alison Moe in
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this case, from everything I've seen anyway, has been an
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absolute bulldog going after Maxwell and her friends. Maxwell has
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to learn the identities earlier as one of the categories
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of information her defense team requested to avoid a trial
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by ambush. The government regrets any confusion. Oh I bet
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they do. Oh I bet they do. And as much
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as I was just pumping Aaron Allison most tires there.
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The government is always up to no good in these trials.
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They'll always push the envelope. They're always gonna go as
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far as they can and tow the line. Because they're
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the federal government. They have every resource in the book, folks,
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all sorts of money, all sorts of resources and the
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federal government. Boy, they will go the extra mile, and
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they will play those extra games, and they will make
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your life miserable and very expensive. Last week, US District
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Judge Alice and Nathan rejected Maxwell's request for a bill
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of particulars, but that ruling pointed out that the government
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had not specifically responded to Maxwell's request for co conspirator names.
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Prosecutors urged the judge not to mistake their silence on
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the issue for consent. The government regrets any confusion on
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this point, prosecutors wrote in a footnote. So what the
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prosecutors are saying is, don't let our silence fool you.
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All right, We're not cool with that. We're not consenting
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to that. We don't want her and her lawyers to
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have these co conspirators' names. What's what so you can
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go elean on them again. I know that might sound
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far fetched to some people, right, this is just the
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remnants of Epstein's operation. But the precedent has been set
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previously by the way these people have conducted themselves. Why
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should you give them the benefit of the doubt that
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they still don't have a long arm that could reach
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out and touch somebody, So why give them any information
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that is not pertinent to their defense. Specifically, prosecutor indicate
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that Maxwell's upcoming trial in November will not shine a
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spotlight on many other people accused of aiding and abetting Epstein. Yeah,
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that's nice, huh, very nice. Terrible. Look, it's one of
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those things where you just shake your head. You know,
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I've told you guys to temper your expectations when it
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comes to people being arrested in this case and facing justice. Unfortunately,
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right Maxwell, the core for Indicte, Cohn and Brunel was
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the extent of it as far as I was concerned,
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thinking the people who would actually face criminal penalty here,
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and according to this maybe not even all of them.
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And that would be a real travesty, wouldn't it. You
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have R Kelly's road manager looking at a bazillion years
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in prison, but the very women who rolled with Epstein
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as his core four for all of those years, we're
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gonna give him a pass. We're gonna let him walk.
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Absolutely fucking absurd, folks. There are letter states that they
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currently only plan to introduce co conspirator statements by only
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two individuals Epstein himself and an employee who scheduled his
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massage appointments around two thousand and four. So probably Leslie
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Groth would be my guess. Probably Groth, maybe maybe Sarah
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Kellen Vickers. I don't know. We'll see, right, we play
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the guessing game forever. But what it would meet, what
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it would lead me to believe, is that the other
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ones are behind the scenes snitching. There is accordingly no
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significant risk that the defense will be surprised at trial
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by a profusion of co conspirators and their statements, even
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if the government identifies statements for use at trial from
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additional co conspirators. The letter states, this court has twice
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concluded that no bill of particulars is warranted because the
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defendant has adequate information to prepare for trial and avoid
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unfair surprise. So that's pretty loaded too. So the government
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is basically engaging in double talk here. They're saying that
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they only plan on having two co conspirators you know,
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words or statements at the trial, but if they have
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other ones, the governments had adequate I mean, the defense
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is at adequate time to prepare for that. And in
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including twice that the court has ruled that no bill
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of particulars was warranted. So again they look, they're leaving
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the door. And I don't trust the double speak from
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the government as far as I could throw them. A
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lot of times, the government will wait a day, you know,
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a month before your trial and then they'll supersede your
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indictment again. And this is the cycle, and it goes
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on and on and on. So until that trial starts,
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you know, who the hell knows what else the government
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has up its sleeve. But one thing is for sure,
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they love to engage in double speak, double talk. They
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have a four tongue. In recent interviews with Long Crimes
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podcast objections, the Miami heralds Julie K. Brown, whose reporting
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has been widely credited with sparking Epstein and Maxwell's prosecution,
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opined that transparency has been getting worse on the dockets.
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Her public records battle in court led to the release
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of thousands of pages which included the names of prominent
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men allegedly implicated in Epstein's conspiracy. And this was always
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another one of the those issues moving forward that we
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talked about, right the transparency issue, the redactions, and as
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the trial gets closer, as things are being more safeguarded,
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it's going to be, you know, like prying gold from
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smog and Lord of the rings. Right, getting information out's
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going to be very difficult. They're going to be petitions
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are going to be flying all over the place to
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get this sealed, to get that redacted, to get this hushed.
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You know, that's definitely something that was anticipated. But Julie K.
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Brown is right. The further we get into this process,
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the more they're tightening the noose. Despite that flood of documents,
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courts remain under pressure to keep more files under wraps
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and heavily redacted. Brown said no one seemed surprised. On Wednesday,
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Maxwell's lawyer, Bobby Sternham raised a separate concern about her
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attorney client communications. She claimed that third parties may have
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breached their video conference calls from the Metropolitan Detention Center,
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the federal lock up in Brooklyn, New York, where Maxwell
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is being held before trial. Look, I'm not an IT
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expert by any stretch of the imagination. I tried out
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some visual basics in college that didn't work out so well.
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Neither did C plus plus. But my guess would be
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that it could be any number of jerks trying to
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hack into this kind of thing, right, if it even occurred. Again,
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we have to recognize the source as Maxwell's team, and
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they've been less than truthful with their complaints previously. But
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if this was, if this did occur, I'm not shocked.
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Right again, We've talked about it a lot here on
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the podcast. These hackers are crafty as hell. Out of
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all the people, all of the bad actors on the
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stage around the world, these hackers scare me the most.
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I think they can cause the most damage. So hacking
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into you know, a web service program is you know,
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a cakewalk for these people. Earlier this month, Maxwell says
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the jail switched the video conferencing program from WebEx to
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Zoom after the ACU sex trafficker claimed to spot an
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unidentified party on the line. NURR slash bro whatever that means. Again,
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I'm not even gonna begin to delve into that. Who
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the hell knows. There's all kinds of collectives of hackers
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and whatever. Man, if any of you guys are listening
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out there, by the way, leave your boy alone. I
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have no problem with you people. Stay away from me.
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Leave me alone. I don't need the headache. All kidding aside, though,
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I mean, talk about the nightmare, right, These hackers really
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fuck somebody's life up. When Miss Maxwell raised these concerns
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to arious staff members, no one seems surprised. Sternham's letter
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states the fact that MDC immediately provided a more secure
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link in their words, suggests there was some type of
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breach or interference with the attorney client VTC which impinged
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upon confidentiality of privileged attorney client communication and is placing
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an ongoing chill on communications between Miss Maxwell and her
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defense team. No, she's not getting out of jail, Bobby's Sternham. No,
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it's not gonna happen. This is their next move here, folks.
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You see see what they're doing here. Well, we can
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have confidential chats with our clients, so she has to
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be free to wander around the walldolph Astoria to eat
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caviat Go get fucked already. Enough with the technicalities and
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the loopholes, bitch, you're getting the zoom call at least
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how many people aren't how many people are languishing in
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jail right now? Have you guys seen the proteus going
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on about the treatment of people at Rikers Island. She
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thinks she has it bad the guards are protesting at
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Rikers Island about how bad things are there the guards.
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But Glenn Maxwell, well, yeah, using a web conference instead
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of zoom laughs, an evil British bad guy. On August twelfth,
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Maxwell's team alleged the separate breach during a zoom call,
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but the jail denied it. There was a miscommunication on
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our end internally. The jail responded a day later. According
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to Maxwell's letter, there was no breach. The address provided
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was a very secure line. However, it was already one
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being used. You know, the federal government is all on
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top of their shit, right. All you have to do
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is look at the ad the absolute foo bar shit
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show in Afghanistan right now to see how terrible the
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government is. Even at legitics, the one thing they should
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be good at, they can't even do. So don't expect
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them to follow the rules when they're trying to put
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your loved ones in prison or anything like that. You
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think they're going to go the extra mile. And that's
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why it cracks me up with Maxwell and her team here,
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with all of these pedantic cry baby complaints. People have
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real problems in prison. Some of the stories I've heard
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from people who have done time in real prison. Terrifying,
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absolutely terrifying. Sternheim wants the jail to provide a sworn
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statement about the incidents. So, according to her, this all happened,
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and she wants the jail to provide a sworn statement
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under oath, obviously about the incident, saying that it wasn't
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somebody hacking it, it was an accident. And again, look,
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I'm not gonna sit here and pump the air for
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the federal government or the Bureau of Prisons. You guys
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all know how I feel about that. You know, I'm
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not gonna sit here and say that I take joy
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and anyone having to be you know, suffer in prison.
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Besides Maxwell, By the way, all right, people like her, sorry,
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I have no empathy for them. When you're given great privilege,
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great wealth, all of it, and you squander that shit
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the way these people have, You're getting zero empathy from
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somebody who has had to work for everything he has
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ever had. And I know a lot of you out
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there are the same way. You folks wake up every
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day and have to work to provide for your family.
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You don't have no rich uncle riding in to save
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the day. So it's up every day, boots on, ready
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to go to work and put food on the table
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for your family. Maxwell don't know none of that. Her
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and her people don't know none of that. They're foreign
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to me. They might as well be from a different universe,
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that's how different they are to the rest of us.
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And all of these things that she's crying about in
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jail that's supposedly making her time there so bad are
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the kinds of problems inmates nationwide would beg to have.
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Imagine you're doing a bid in a state facility and
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your only issue is that you only talk to your
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lawyer for fourteen hours that week and not seventeen, as
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opposed to what these dudes are dealing with on the yard. Right,
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you show up on the yard, no matter what color
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or race you are, you're automatically segregated with your color
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in your race, even if you're not a racist. And
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when shit pops off, you gotta do work. There's a riot,
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you better jump off with your people. And Maxwell thinks
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she has a bad she's about to get reality checked, folks.
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If then, when she is convicted and she goes to prison,
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it's gonna be a reality check of epic proportions. Like
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I say, all the time, she fucked around. Now she's
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gonna find out, all right, So now onto the story
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I was gonna talk about at the beginning here, but
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I don't want people emailing me and crying about, oh
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you're telling a football story, talk about upstate. So anyway,
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we go to San Diego for a Jets Chargers game, Me,
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my dad, a couple of friends of ours, and it
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was the first Monday night game that Brett Farvre was
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the quarterback for the New York Jets way later on
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in his career, after the Vikings, after all of that,
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right right at the end of the road. But of course,
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as Jets fans were so starved for quarterbacks, we're fired up.
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So we hop in the car, we drive down to
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San Diego, get a room, make a whole weekend out
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of it. Right. So on the way to the game,
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it's me, my dad, our friend David, and my dad
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and David are like, oh yeah, let's just take a
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public transportation over to the game the stadium, and I
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just stare at them both. I'm like, what are you
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first day guys, first away game as Jets fans, I'm
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not taking public transportation, because chances are the Jets are
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gonna get smashed tonight and then we're gonna have to
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deal with it on the whole ride home, so we
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don't take public transportation. They listen to me. We park
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at the stadium, we get there, we get to our seats,
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and what do you know, the Jets jump out to
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a lead. So we're I'm fired up, right, So the
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Jets score touchdown. I believe it was a Rebus interception
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to set it up. Jets get up like fourteen nothing.
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So I start in, you know, with the other Jets
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fans around me, other four people by the way, we
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start in with our j E T JITs Jets wild
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man chant type shit, right, and we're fired up. Well,
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long story short, the Jets and A being the Jets.
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The game turns and the Chargers start blowing the Jets out.
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So the Jets score a touchdown, right, I get up.
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I cheer, me and my dad, you know, we give
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each other a high five. One of the Charger fans
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that sitting behind us has one of those long foam fingers, right,
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and as I'm you know, cheering with my dad giving
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him a high five, this dude taps me with that finger, right,
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and he looks at me and he says, and I
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swear to you, this is what he says to me.
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He says, hey, we're still winning. You and I, guys,
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I can't even tell you. I lost it. I broke
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I was dying. It was one of the funniest things
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that had ever happened to me as a visiting fan. Right,
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so I'm thinking, all right, well, this is this is
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the pinnacle. This is some funny shit. The way the
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guy said it, the whole scenario, it had me dying.
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So anyway, the Jets are getting blown out, I don't
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feel like stand for the rest of the game dealing
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with traffic. So I say to my dad and to
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our friend David and the couple of other people that
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met us there. I'm like, all right, let's get out
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of here, guys. Enough is enough. So we stand up
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and we do what is known as the jetfan Walk
26:13
of shame. And now, mind you, I'm in a section
26:16
right with all Charger fans pretty much, so as we
26:20
get up to walk out, the whole section, I shit
26:23
you not, guys, the whole entire section start singing and
26:27
chanting nanaanahna, Nana na na. Hey, hey, hey, goodbye to
26:35
us as we're walking out with our heads hung in
26:38
shame and boy oh boy being a jet fan. That
26:43
is just your typical road trip adventure. And I will
26:49
leave you folks with that. If you'd like to contact me,
26:53
you can do that at Bobby Kapucci at ProtonMail dot com.
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27:03
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27:17
And today we have an article from the fantastic Adam
27:20
Klassfeld and folks ring some bells whatever it may be,
27:27
but Golehn Maxwell got a bit of a w here
27:30
thrown her away. That's right. Judge Nathan has ruled that
27:35
the government is going to have to spill the beans.
27:37
They're gonna have to tell the defense who these unnamed
27:41
co conspirators are. And I like the move. Honestly, Let's
27:46
get down to it. How long are we going to
27:48
play these games of no transparency with the federal government.
27:51
Let's see it. What do you guys have put your
27:53
cards on the table. I don't know what they're waiting for.
27:58
Forget just letting her know who the co conspirators are.
28:01
Charge the co conspirators in open court if it has
28:05
been done sealed, unseal that shit and let everybody know
28:10
who they are. And if you haven't charged anybody else,
28:13
the question really is the fuck you waiting for. If
28:20
this was an Italian crew hanging out down in little Italy,
28:23
they'd all be hemmed up. If this was some local
28:27
crack dealer and insert any inner city here, he'd be
28:31
locked up, All his boys would be locked up, and
28:33
they would gladly, gladly seize the house that his grandmother
28:37
and his four little brothers are living in, and they
28:39
wouldn't give one single fuck. But these co conspirators, bab,
28:44
we'll keep them unnamed. And I get what the government's
28:47
trying to do. I understand they're trying to keep as
28:50
much ammunition as they can hidden from the view of
28:56
the defense. They don't want them to know what they
28:59
have going on. They want to have the upper hand,
29:01
right But again, remember what I said, I don't want
29:04
there to even be a sniff of impropriety here on
29:06
the prosecution's part. I don't want two years down the
29:09
road from now, some jerkoff lawyer stumbling into court talking about, Oh,
29:14
they didn't do the right thing in the case, let's
29:17
get an appeal. I don't want any of that to
29:19
happen because I'll tell you what. People need to be
29:23
able to put a stamp on this. The survivors especially,
29:26
there's no revisiting it like the woman in the Cosby
29:29
case had to do. So they have to relive the
29:32
bullshit because the prosecution doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. Nah,
29:36
no way, Thankfully. I think Alison Moe is doing the
29:41
right thing and trying to do the right thing. But
29:45
I mean, how much power does she truly have, right
29:47
she's a junior prosecutor, so we'll see. We'll see what
29:51
the prosecution does here. But this is definitely a W
29:56
for team Glaine Maxwell. I mean, this is our first
30:00
W in forever. It's like one of those fighters, you know,
30:03
they're like a club boxer and they finally get a
30:07
chance to get in there against a prospect and they
30:10
get a lucky shot in and knock the prospect down.
30:13
Oh that I'm not gonna win the fight, but you know,
30:15
they got a nice shot in rock them a little bit,
30:18
and that's what you got here. It's a little bit
30:20
of a W for Glenn Maxwell's team, but really it's
30:23
a W for anyone who's looking for transparency because I
30:26
would really love to know who these co conspirators are,
30:30
wouldn't you. Don't you think that that's kind of important?
30:34
And don't you think that there should be more charges
30:37
for more people. I mean, just look at what's going
30:40
on in the R. Kelly case, take a look at
30:42
what happened in the Nexium case, and how can you
30:45
even begin to explain to me in a cogent manner
30:50
how that cannot be possible in this case as well? Again,
30:53
not even the man act. So let's see it. Time
30:59
for the process acution to put their you know, cards
31:01
on the table and let's see what kind of hand
31:04
that they're holding. All right. So we have an article,
31:08
like I said, from Long Crime, and the author is
31:12
Adam Klassfeld, And thankfully we have Adam around to try
31:16
and you know, clear this kind of stuff up, because look,
31:18
remember I'm not a lawyer, right, I tell you guys
31:20
that all the time. I'm lucky I can pare my
31:22
socks in the morning and tie my shoes, never mind
31:25
be some kind of Legalese type type of cat. Not
31:28
not in my lane. And while other people might act
31:33
like they you know, they're a lawyer, they're a virologist,
31:37
they're a zoologist, they're not me. I know exactly what
31:42
I know, and I know exactly what I don't know,
31:44
and believe me, what I don't know certainly outweighs what
31:47
I do know. But Adam Lassfeld, on the other hand,
31:50
is somebody that does know, somebody that you can, you know,
31:54
look at his work and pretty much rely on it
31:58
confidently that he's giving you a breakdown of what the
32:00
legal ease is. And that's important in a case like this,
32:03
because there's a lot to understand, right, you know. I
32:06
try to break it down as well as I can.
32:09
But thankfully there's people like Adam Klasfeld out there who
32:12
are interested in the case, who know the ins and
32:15
outs of the legal system right from on the ground level.
32:20
So I always try, like I say, to use articles
32:23
from Adam Klassfeld or Law on Crime when they have them,
32:26
because they're pretty detailed and they give a good explanation
32:31
to the layman you know, or you know Novice. All right,
32:36
so headline, Feds must disclose identities of any unnamed co
32:41
conspirators to Gallaine Maxwell trial judge rules, And like I said,
32:45
the author of this article is Adam Klassfeld. Federal prosecutors
32:52
must disclose the identities of any unnamed co conspirators whose
32:57
names they plan to refer to at trial to the Maxwell,
33:01
A federal judge ruled on Friday. And again, look, I
33:05
hate to line up and say, you know, I think
33:08
it's a you know, Maxwell's team was right, but in
33:12
this instance, I think that it's good for there to
33:16
be transparency. Right. The States should provide this so that
33:19
the defendant knows what they're up against, knows who's bringing
33:22
evidence against them, and you know, can prepare correctly so
33:29
we don't have to worry about later on down the road.
33:32
Old lady Glaine here and punch drunk lawyers stumbling around
33:38
talking about, oh, we need a pail. Everything has to
33:42
be locked in, right, Everything has to be checkered and
33:46
make sure everything has to be good to go, because
33:51
if you give them any INDs when it comes to technicalities,
33:54
you know they're going to take it. And furthermore, I
33:59
think that They're been enough of obscuring of the facts
34:04
in this case, and I think it's time. You know,
34:06
we're a couple months out from trial. I think it's
34:08
about time that the government does provide this. Are there
34:13
other indictments, are there sealed indictments? Is there a grand
34:16
jury still in effect? Let's get full on confirmation of
34:20
all of that. Now. Who knows if some of this
34:23
will be redacted or whatever. Probably, I mean, I know
34:26
we all want transparency, but remember who we're dealing with here.
34:34
In a three page ruling, US District Judge Alice and
34:36
Nathan also order the government to disclose all co conspirators
34:41
statements it intends to offer at trial no later than
34:44
October eleventh, So they have a little bit over a
34:49
month to get all of this together and to provide
34:53
this information of all of the statements that they're going
34:55
to use at trial of these co conspirators that are
34:59
as a now unnamed. Now, obviously we all have our
35:02
speculation about who's who, who's been named, who hasn't been named,
35:07
And you know, you all know how I feel about
35:09
the car, the Core four, you know, the only one
35:13
of the Core four where there's any gray area whatsoever
35:17
is naudia And I'm not qualified to make that decision.
35:21
I'm not a psychologist. I'm not a professional who deals
35:23
with mental health or Stockholm syndrome or any of the
35:27
trauma that somebody who's fifteen goes through when they're sold
35:30
to somebody like Jeffrey Epstein. I'm certainly not qualified to
35:35
talk about what sort of damage that does to somebody.
35:38
I mean, I could have my, you know, my opinion,
35:41
but as far as you know, an opinion that's worth anything,
35:45
you know. Obviously, the visceral anger that we all have is, hey,
35:50
let she should go to prison forever. But I think
35:53
with her it's a little more nuanced. Right out of
35:55
all of them, I think it's a bit more nuanced.
35:58
And I'm not saying that she should, you know, not
36:01
get any jail time, because again there's the other side
36:05
of it. Why didn't you go to the police after
36:08
Epstein was arrested? Why didn't you go to the police
36:11
after he died? So look, there's definitely two sides to it.
36:15
But I find myself having empathy for somebody who was
36:18
that age and sold into basically slavery, whereas the other
36:23
women the Corps four. We know that wasn't the case.
36:28
It was all about money and status and you know,
36:31
being part of it. But with Nadia that she's the
36:36
only one of the Corps four where I've always been
36:39
hesitant to really say the judge should just slam the
36:42
hammer down on her and give her a million years,
36:44
because I think it is a little more nuanced than that.
36:48
But everyone else around them, Hey, Indyke and Khan and
36:55
obviously Jean Luke, Brunel, Glenn, all of these people, There's
37:00
there's no gray area for me, not one bit. None
37:03
of these people were sold into slavery at fourteen or
37:05
fifteen years old, after they were taken from their parents,
37:08
so there's no gray area for them, no leg to
37:10
stand on. So it's going to be very interesting which
37:14
of these co conspirators, if any because look again we
37:18
can all have our opinions and our guesses, but until
37:20
we know, we don't know. So it's going to be
37:23
interesting to see who ends up being indicted, if anyone,
37:26
or who ended up being queen or king for the
37:29
day and offering that three to zero two that proffer
37:31
agreement to help convict Glenn Maxwell. Very interesting times ahead, folks.
37:41
The government argues that there is no risk of surprise
37:44
because it currently intends, currently intends important words right words matter,
37:49
currently intends to introduce the alleged co conspirator statements of
37:54
only two individuals, the order states. At the same time, however,
38:00
the government proffers that it may may change its view
38:05
as it prepares for trial. So again, those are very
38:08
vague statements. Right are you going to aren't you going to?
38:12
And remember the first time when before the superseded indictment,
38:17
remember the government said, ah, there's no more indictments coming.
38:20
This is it, This is going to be a rap
38:21
blah blah blah. Now does the government go and supersede,
38:26
I mean, drop another superseded indictment on her this close
38:29
to trial. I don't know. Again, I'm certainly not a
38:32
professional in that realm. I'm not somebody who has followed
38:34
this sort of thing closely, you know, besides this case,
38:39
I don't have any expertise when it comes to, you know,
38:43
the workings of this kind of thing. So all I
38:45
could tell you is I'll be on the ground there
38:47
for this trial one way or the other, and you're
38:50
gonna get the straight story. No obfiscation no bullshit, no nonsense.
38:54
We're gonna get down to it and we're gonna get
38:56
a full on reporting and thankfully and thankfully for all
39:00
of you out there. I also type like ninety five
39:02
words per minute. So if I could have my laptop
39:05
in there with me, bang out some quality notes. If not,
39:09
might be in trouble. My handwriting is terrible. The court
39:13
thus finds the government's reassurance hollow and insufficient to ensure
39:17
that the defendant may adequately adequately prepare her defenses. So basically,
39:23
Judge Nathan is saying she doesn't really find that excuse
39:27
from the government a good one, and she's not confident
39:31
that the Government's going to stick to it. So what
39:33
does Judge Nathan know that we don't. Again, this is
39:36
just my guess here, right. Obviously, one thing leads to
39:40
the other. Decisions aren't made in a vacuum, and all
39:44
of this stuff is interconnected when it comes to this trial.
39:48
So if you try and read between the lines, perhaps
39:51
Judge Nathan knows something that we don't, and perhaps there
39:54
are some indictments coming down the pipe at some point,
39:57
perhaps other co conspirators been indicted already equally significant to
40:05
Judge Nathan, as the government stated justification was what prosecutors
40:09
did not argue. Moreover, the government has not alleged that
40:14
disclosure here would create potential danger to co conspirators or
40:18
risk compromising continuing investigations, the judge wrote. It merely argues
40:23
that disclosing the identities risks harm to the government from
40:28
restricting its proof at trial. Judge Nathan was skeptical about
40:34
this claim, and I could see why. Right again, I
40:37
bet you, Judge Nathan's thinking the same thing. Let's not
40:41
get to a point where we have to retry this case.
40:44
Let's get this case done the right way the first
40:46
time around. Let's not give them any technicalities, and let's
40:49
all move on with our lives. The government provides no
40:54
explanation for this purported harm, and none as apparent to
40:57
the court. She wrote, Thus, the Court finds that this
41:01
concern alone does not outweigh the risk of surprise to
41:05
the defendant in this case or the need for the
41:08
parties to litigate co conspirator issues in advance of trial
41:12
to ensure the absence of delay. Wow, there's a lot there,
41:16
And from what I could see here, folks, what it
41:18
looks like to me is there's going to be more
41:21
than a couple of co conspirators. That's what it looks
41:24
like to me, trying to read in between the lines.
41:27
Looks like there's going to be more coming down the pipe,
41:30
and perhaps even another superseded indictment. Again, I don't know
41:34
how these prosecutors can look at this case and not
41:39
run a comparison to r. Kelly and Rainiery, two very
41:46
high profile cases involving the same kind of thing. But
41:50
the Epstein case is so much larger in scope and
41:53
so much more damning and damaging to the political elite.
41:59
So one's left with only the thought of what are
42:02
they trying to hide? Right, that's what you think again,
42:06
and that's not your fault. That's the fault of the government,
42:09
from time and time again, abusing your trust. So they
42:13
really have nobody but themselves to blame when they talk about, oh, disinformation,
42:17
and people wouldn't believe that shit if the government would
42:20
come correct and be transparent. Nobody would believe in a
42:22
guy dressed in bullhorns and running around calling himself a shaman.
42:27
Nobody would believing that shit if the government just came correct.
42:30
But they don't, so it leaves a vacuum for people
42:33
to come up with all kinds of wacky shit. Maxwell
42:38
asked to learn their identities earlier as one of the
42:41
categories of information her defense team requested to avoid a
42:45
trial by ambush. Assistant US Attorney Alison Moe asked Judge
42:49
Nathan in mid August to shield those names. So this
42:53
was the back and forth that we discussed. Then, right,
42:56
we talked about this, and you know, Maxwell's team is
43:03
not just going to accept, you know, whatever the prosecution
43:07
is trying to throw out them. They're going to challenge
43:09
it every step of the way. So the prosecution has
43:12
to be ready and able to meet those challenges along
43:14
the way and crush them underhel And this time around,
43:19
team Maxwell got the upper hand. But really I think
43:22
that society as a whole gets the upper hand, honestly,
43:26
because transparency is you know, tantamount to everything that we
43:30
discuss here. It's very important that there's transparency and we
43:34
can see that the process is working because there's no
43:37
trust otherwise. This court has twice concluded that no bill
43:44
of particulars is warranted because the defendant has adequate information
43:48
to prepare for trial and avoid unfair surprise. The prosecutor
43:52
wrote at the time with Friday's ruling, that trend has changed,
43:58
the conspiracies charged or long running, increasing the risk of
44:02
surprise to the defendant. Judge Nathan noted that's important. So
44:06
what she's saying is the crimes happened over a long
44:09
period of time, so that increases the risk of co conspirators.
44:12
See what I'm saying here. The longer the period of
44:15
time of her fucking crime spree, the longer and more
44:20
possibility there is that there's co conspirators that might be
44:22
a surprise to her. In the defense and Nathan's trying
44:26
to avoid a delay in the trial. When the prosecution
44:30
springs some surprise witnesses or co conspirators on Maxwell's team,
44:36
and they obviously and inevitably ask for a delay in
44:40
the trial again, which I really hope they do not.
44:46
Charged with sex trafficking and other offenses, Maxwell faces a
44:49
superseding indictment with alleged conspiracies that date back decades. The
44:55
scheme charged in one of the counts spans between nineteen
44:58
ninety four to two one thousand and four, and the
45:01
other runs between two thousand and one and two thousand
45:05
and four and that's just the superseded indictment that she's
45:09
currently under. And again, look, I don't have any kind
45:13
of sources within the apparatus here, Okay, the system. There's
45:18
no US attorneys sending me emails giving me the tips
45:21
or you know, the rundown. But what it looks like
45:24
to me is that we should expect, or possibly at
45:30
the very least expect there to be a few surprises
45:33
along the way and maybe another superseded indictment, maybe as
45:38
part as a conspiracy in someone else's trial as a
45:41
co conspirator or I don't know, but it looks like
45:44
something more is coming down the pipe. And that's how
45:47
it usually works here, right. We usually see something like
45:49
this start to form a little bit of smoke, and
45:52
before you know it, we got a four alarm fire.
45:58
As a result of the prior ruling, Maxwell's trial has
46:01
been split in two, with the first trial in November.
46:04
Prosecutors have characterized her case as the prequel till the
46:08
Jeffrey Epstein saga. So what that means is the trial
46:12
has been split into two. As far as you have
46:15
the uh perjury charges, that's going to be their own trial,
46:19
and then the other trafficking charges and whatnot. That's going
46:21
to be the trial that starts in November, So there's
46:24
a little confusion there for some people. So after that
46:29
trial's conclusion, Maxwell will face another accusing her of lying
46:33
in a deposition in a civil case filed by her
46:36
alleged survivor, Virginia Roberts, a prominent Epstein survivor. And you
46:41
see how Adam calls her a survivor. There classifies it
46:45
the correct way. A man who knows what the fuck
46:47
he's talking about, not some hack journalist. Maxwell's alleged because
46:53
she has not been convicted of anything yet Jeffrey Epstein.
46:55
There's no alleged there. Once that is, the state paid
47:00
out that money. The alleged went away folks. In early August,
47:06
Robert sued Prince Andrew aka the Joe Exotic of the
47:10
Windsor family, in a lawsuit accusing him of sexually abusing
47:13
her when she was seventeen years old in three locations,
47:17
Epstein's mansion, Maxwell's London home, and Epstein's so called pedophile
47:22
Island in the US Virgin Islands. The US Attorney's Office
47:27
for the Southern District of New York repeatedly called the
47:30
Prince uncooperative in their investigation. The office has handled the
47:34
prosecutions of Epstein and Maxwell. They've also named him as
47:38
a person of interest, right, somebody they want to talk to.
47:43
Certainly not just oh witness anymore? Is it? So we
47:47
all know that the Joe exotica of the Winsor family
47:50
is in shark filled waters, an old boy has a
47:53
gash in his leg. Roberts filed her civil lawsuits against
48:03
Maxwell and Andrew in the same jurisdiction, Manhattan Federal Court.
48:09
So this link obviously will be in the description box
48:13
and you can click on it and find the whole
48:16
entire three page ruling by Judge Nathan So there you go, folks. Look,
48:20
Glane Maxwell gets a bit of a w certainly not
48:23
the usual l she's used to getting, right, So if
48:26
you're her, you certainly you take this one and run
48:29
with it. But really, like I was saying, I think
48:31
it's a win for transparency, because let's see what's going
48:35
on here, Let's see what the government really has. Is
48:38
the government going to unload on them or is the
48:42
government going to let it end with Gallane Maxwell? If
48:49
you like to contact me, you can do that at
48:50
Bobby Capuci at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bbu y
48:55
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49:00
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49:03
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49:07
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49:09
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