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California Public Defense System | ‘Medical News’ with Dr. Jim Keany · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 2: something that sort of stunned me when I read this
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  Speaker 2: is that, well, let me give you a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of Handle history, and it used to be well, let
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  Speaker 2: me get to something else on Handle history, and that
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  Speaker 2: is the Miranda warnings that you hear you have the
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  Speaker 2: right to remain silent. All of that, part of which
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  Speaker 2: is that if you cannot afford when a lawyer will
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  Speaker 2: represent you, basically you'll get a free attorney paid for
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  Speaker 2: by the state. Now do you get a free attorney? Yes, However,
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  Speaker 2: California is one of just two states that provides no
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  Speaker 2: money to help the attorneys defend poor people. You go
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  Speaker 2: to other states and they have investigators, They will have
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  Speaker 2: people to go on to investigate witnesses for example, look
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  Speaker 2: at documents to help the defense. And every state has
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  Speaker 2: that budget. California is not. So only want to two
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  Speaker 2: states that does this. So you get a lawyer, but
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  Speaker 2: you get no defense, You get no help from investigators.
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  Speaker 2: All you have is a lawyer. That does not bode
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  Speaker 2: well for a defense it really doesn't. And so the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing now comes to history part And I studied
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  Speaker 2: this in law school and it was pretty terrific. It is.
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  Speaker 2: There's a case called Gideon versus Wainwright where the state
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  Speaker 2: has to pay for your defense. Now, this particular case
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  Speaker 2: has to do with getting your defense and getting some
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  Speaker 2: backup for your defense, with the basic concept of you
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  Speaker 2: have the right to an attorney, and if you cannot
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  Speaker 2: afford when one will be appointed that is at no
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  Speaker 2: cost to you. That's the premise. And then the states
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  Speaker 2: expand that by giving the attorneys back up again, investigations,
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  Speaker 2: witness statements, looking at all that. And so this was
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  Speaker 2: in Texas. Texas is not a good place to be
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  Speaker 2: a defendant. It really isn't. You go to the public
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  Speaker 2: Defender's office in Texas. There are some counties that they
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  Speaker 2: hand over even capital cases to civil lawyers. There's a panel.
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  Speaker 2: They just go around and here's the case. But I
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  Speaker 2: don't do criminal law. Doesn't matter, you have to do
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  Speaker 2: it Texas. So there was a guy by the name
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  Speaker 2: of Clarence Earl Gideon. He had an eighth grade education,
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  Speaker 2: ran away from home when he was in the middle
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  Speaker 2: when he was in middle school, he was a drifter.
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  Speaker 2: All through his early adult life. He was in and
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  Speaker 2: out of prison for nonviolent crimes. So what he was
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  Speaker 2: He was charged with breaking and entering with the intent
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  Speaker 2: to commit a misdemeanor, which is a felony. This is Florida,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and a trial. He appeared in court without
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  Speaker 2: an attorney because he couldn't afford one and there was
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  Speaker 2: no law that says that he is entitled to when
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  Speaker 2: so in open court he asks the judge to appoint
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  Speaker 2: counsel for him because he couldn't afford a lawyer. Please
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  Speaker 2: give me a lawyer. The trial George judge said nah,
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  Speaker 2: because Florida court did have an appointment statute, but only
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  Speaker 2: four poor defendants who were charged with capital offenses, which
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  Speaker 2: means it's only for those crimes in which you can
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  Speaker 2: be charged with and convicted of a capital offense death penalty. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So in Florida, that was the only way you got
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  Speaker 2: an attorney. Back we go to there's a new com California.
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  Speaker 2: The new Commission that has been formed to basically help
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  Speaker 2: defendants who have no money. Criminal defendants who have no
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  Speaker 2: money get the backup that they need. We're talking investigators.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about people who can look at witness statements,
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  Speaker 2: all of that. And so California is one of two
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  Speaker 2: states that does not provide that. I mean, that's crazy liberal.
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  Speaker 2: California is one of two states that does not provide
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  Speaker 2: backup to the attorneys, which means that there really isn't
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  Speaker 2: much of a big chance prosecutors have all the backup.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecutors look at the case, they go through it
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  Speaker 2: with a fine tooth comb. Defense attorneys who have an
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  Speaker 2: unbelievable they have an unbelievable number of cases they have
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  Speaker 2: to go through. I just don't have the time. So
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  Speaker 2: this came out of and this is a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a handle history which I enjoy. The Miranda warnings
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  Speaker 2: that you get you have the right to remain silent.
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  Speaker 2: One of them is if you cannot afford when an
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  Speaker 2: attorney will be provided for you at no cost. And
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  Speaker 2: that came out of this eight nineteen sixty three case.
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  Speaker 2: Big deal. In law school, I remember this big deal,
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  Speaker 2: and this is a case that established simply the right
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  Speaker 2: for a defendant to have a criminal attorney at no cost.
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  Speaker 2: So that was Gideon Wainwright who that was a case
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  Speaker 2: in which Gideon Clarence Gideon filed a suit. However, he
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  Speaker 2: files a suit, he goes in front of the Supreme Court. Now,
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  Speaker 2: how do you do that or usually hire an appeals lawyer?
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  Speaker 2: You go ahead, and he didn't have the money. The
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  Speaker 2: state did not automatically provide him money for an attorney,
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  Speaker 2: and so there he is in prison. He gets five
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  Speaker 2: years in prison for breaking into a pool hall and
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  Speaker 2: stealing some beer. And he had been convicted of misdemeanor,
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  Speaker 2: so it was charge of a felony and he was convicted.
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  Speaker 2: He had no attorney, He couldn't afford an attorney, so
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  Speaker 2: he represented himself and surprise, he was convicted and got
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  Speaker 2: five years. So there he is in prison, and he actually,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, he asked the court during the trial,
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  Speaker 2: I need an attorney. I don't know anything about the law.
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  Speaker 2: And he went ahead and defended himself because there was
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  Speaker 2: no other choice. And of course he did a horrible job.
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  Speaker 2: He has no education, he's a drifter and eighth grade
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  Speaker 2: education high so he's his own lawyer. And of course
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  Speaker 2: he's how good a job he did, and so the
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  Speaker 2: conviction was easy. So there he is in prison and
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  Speaker 2: argues and I'm sure. He hadn't had to have help
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  Speaker 2: on this. He files the petition to the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 2: He did it on one page, handwritten that you can't
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  Speaker 2: even read. It's chicken scratches. That's the document that the
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  Speaker 2: court looked at to establish the fact that he is
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  Speaker 2: entitled to an attorney at no cost. And it was
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  Speaker 2: It blew up the legal system. It was absolutely earth shattering,
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  Speaker 2: and so the Supreme Court send it back to trial.
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  Speaker 2: Supreme Court doesn't turn around and say you're guilty or
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  Speaker 2: not guilty. They're not the try or of fact. So
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  Speaker 2: what they did is they sent it back to the court. Remember,
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  Speaker 2: the court convicted him. He argued that if he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have an attorney, it's a constitutional right that he is
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  Speaker 2: being violated. That is an argument that the court had
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  Speaker 2: not heard before. And the court agreed with him. The
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  Speaker 2: court said it is a constitutional right. Therefore, Gideon, you
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  Speaker 2: get a new trial. Oh, by the way, you get
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  Speaker 2: a real attorney that's going to help you. And the
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  Speaker 2: attorney was able to cross examine witnesses. Gideon didn't even
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  Speaker 2: know how to do it, and some of the witnesses
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  Speaker 2: were caught in contradictions. This case was not very good
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  Speaker 2: in terms of his strength. And guess what the second
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  Speaker 2: jury did. They acquitted him. They said you're out the
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  Speaker 2: door based on the evidence, based on the fact that
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing here. And effectively, what the state of Floria did.
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  Speaker 2: Florida did is ramrod this case through and the court said,
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  Speaker 2: uh huh, he can't do that critically important case. Miranda
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  Speaker 2: came back with you have the right to anything you
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  Speaker 2: say can be used to use against you in court
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  Speaker 2: of law, and you have the right to remain silent.
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  Speaker 2: And so you have the Miranda warnings that have been expanded.
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  Speaker 2: So at now we have a commission, because California is
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  Speaker 2: one of us two states that does not give backup
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  Speaker 2: to defense attorneys, and now there's commission that has been formed,
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  Speaker 2: and that's exactly what they're What the commission is doing
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  Speaker 2: is to prepare this entire system in which the backup
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  Speaker 2: is to be provided. And it's it's just an interesting case.
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  Speaker 2: The part that stunned me is that there are only
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  Speaker 2: two states in the United States that don't don't give
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  Speaker 2: back up. They don't give the defendants the help they need,
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  Speaker 2: California being one of them. I don't know if you're
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  Speaker 2: shocked about that. I'm sort of stunned. Oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to commit murder, I'm going to suggest
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  Speaker 2: that you don't do it in Texas or Florida because
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  Speaker 2: you are going to get crap representation. And in Texas,
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  Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, they do it on a
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  Speaker 2: flat fee. There you are charged with the death death
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  Speaker 2: penalty and the attorney gets a flat fee for a representation,
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  Speaker 2: and it ain't much, and these are not very good attorneys.
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  Speaker 2: California is a good place to commit murder because you
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  Speaker 2: are going to get some of the best representation you
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  Speaker 2: can get. New York is a great place for you
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  Speaker 2: to kill someone and get charged with murderer manslaughter. Just
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  Speaker 2: a piece of legal advice. This is handle on the
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  Speaker 2: law bill. Where's the best place for me to commit
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  Speaker 2: a murder? California, New York, not in Texas, not in Florida. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it is time for a medical news segment or two.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary
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  Speaker 2: Medical Center in Long Beach, and of course a board
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  Speaker 2: certified er doctor were Jim spent I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: thirty years in the er? Is that right?
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  Speaker 3: Jim? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, thirty years, thirty crazy years.
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  Speaker 2: How many people actually died while you were looking at
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  Speaker 2: them in the er? If you ever figure you ever
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  Speaker 2: look at that because I love those numbers, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, I know. No, yeah, that wasn't at lunch. We talked.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about this on the air before, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: he did the calculation of yeah, thirty years. Let's say,
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  Speaker 3: you know, two weeks for you know, for thirty years,
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  Speaker 3: so that's a fifty eight year times thirty or fifteen
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  Speaker 3: hundred people.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I you're my hero watching fifteen hundred people
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  Speaker 2: die right there under my my yeah, under the knife
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  Speaker 2: for whatever you were doing at the time. Okay, now
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  Speaker 2: let's get to some medical news, legitimate medical news. And
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  Speaker 2: we talked about this before, but I want to expand
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  Speaker 2: on this. GLP ones, the weight loss drug which so
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  Speaker 2: many people are on, I mean, almost the magic bullet
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  Speaker 2: in terms of weight loss. We have talked about how
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  Speaker 2: it actually is very beneficial. I mean it's almost like
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  Speaker 2: aspirin in terms of what it can do. Now, male
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  Speaker 2: fertility can be improved with GLP one.
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  Speaker 3: It's an interesting connection, right. So basically what they've shown
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  Speaker 3: is that you know that that the GLPS. When men
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  Speaker 3: are on it, their testosterone level goes up, their sperm
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  Speaker 3: count goes up, the equality of that sperm goes up.
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  Speaker 3: So very interesting. It's not this is not the stage
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  Speaker 3: where we're going to start using glps to treat infertility,
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  Speaker 3: but it's a very interesting connection in a way. It's
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  Speaker 3: not surprising, right, we know that that obesity impacts sex hormones.
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  Speaker 3: Sex Hormones are made from a cholesterol molecule, and cholesterol
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  Speaker 3: is fat soluble, and so when people become overweight, what
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  Speaker 3: happens is it creates kind of an imbalance. Right. You
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of your sex hormones are now kind
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  Speaker 3: of absorbed into that excess fat tissue, and then those
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  Speaker 3: get processed in a little bit different way and throw
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  Speaker 3: off different sub hormones and it messes things up. So
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  Speaker 3: that's what we call metabolic syndrome. And it seems to
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  Speaker 3: be that we know that it affects women's fertility, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe obesity affects men's fertility more than we
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  Speaker 3: originally recognized.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's not a question of this affecting fertility directly.
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  Speaker 2: It's a causal relationship that you lose weight, it helps
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  Speaker 2: you lose weight. Losing weight brings up your fertility factor.
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  Speaker 2: And I have two questions. Question number one is why
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  Speaker 2: would anybody ever want to have kids having done it?
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  Speaker 2: And so that is a little problematic, but isn't almost
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  Speaker 2: you know, I can think of half a deck, having
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  Speaker 2: been in the business for a long time in reproductive law,
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  Speaker 2: virtually almost anything else that can affect fertility, for example,
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  Speaker 2: sitting in hot tubs, too long, tight underwear, and I
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  Speaker 2: mean that sounds ridiculous, but Jim medically that's true. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the studies have pointed that out.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So I mean, but you're talking about small effects, right,
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  Speaker 3: so and no, we have so this is a cause
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  Speaker 3: all study. This is an association study. So what that
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  Speaker 3: means is again, you know, the sun comes up, the
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  Speaker 3: rooster crows, did the sun you know, the other way around,
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  Speaker 3: the rooster crows, the sun comes up. Did the rooster
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  Speaker 3: crowing make the sun come up? And so they're associated,
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  Speaker 3: but they don't cause each other necessarily, So we don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Once we see an association, we started digging in to
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  Speaker 3: see in there a cause, but we don't know if
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  Speaker 3: there's a cause and effect type of thing here. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we don't know whether it's the GOLP drug itself, you know,
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  Speaker 3: is it somehow impacting the testicles where they where you're
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  Speaker 3: making testosterone and you're making sperm in a positive way
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  Speaker 3: to improve things, or is it the weight loss or
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  Speaker 3: is it something else? You know, we just don't know
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  Speaker 3: at this point.
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  Speaker 2: So as we're looking at glps, and you and I
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  Speaker 2: have talked about this, and excuse me, the benefits seem
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  Speaker 2: to increase the more we look at them. Do we
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  Speaker 2: know about the negatives yet on GLP that I'm assuming
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  Speaker 2: that's being studied and has anything come out of that?
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  Speaker 3: You know, the most common negatives that we see from
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  Speaker 3: glps are the side effect and that's mostly you know,
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  Speaker 3: abdominal cramps and nausea, vomiting. That's that's really the main
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  Speaker 3: things that we hear from bloating, some people say fatigue,
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  Speaker 3: injection site react those all seem very you know, related
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  Speaker 3: to the effects of the drug. There are more serious complications,
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  Speaker 3: you know that Definitely, gall bladder disease can occur with that,
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  Speaker 3: and it's been associated again, but it's association. It's not
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  Speaker 3: a causal type of thing. And we do know that
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  Speaker 3: when people rapidly lose weight. Sometimes they develop gallstones. That's
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  Speaker 3: why a lot of people when they get a gastric
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  Speaker 3: bypass will get their gallbladder taken out. There's a clinical
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  Speaker 3: warning that it could cause pancreatitis. Again, people still debathing
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  Speaker 3: does it actually cause it? What's going on there? It
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  Speaker 3: can cause these gastro priests kind of symptoms, gas er
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  Speaker 3: priests when your stomach just becomes kind of a floppy
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  Speaker 3: bag and it has no ability to contract and squeeze
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  Speaker 3: the food through. Well, that's part of how the drug
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  Speaker 3: actually works, so you know, So these are the type
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  Speaker 3: of things. And then of course type of glycemia, because
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  Speaker 3: that's what it's made for. It's made to control. It
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  Speaker 3: was originally made to control blood sugar. But it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: to dry blood sugar down to a dangerously low level.
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  Speaker 3: It takes high blood sugar and brings it back down
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  Speaker 3: to normal. But all of those are you know, potential negative, but.
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  Speaker 2: They seem fairly minor. You seem to be describing. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm listening to a commercial which is thirty percent. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you can have this, you can have that problem, you
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  Speaker 2: be blyd, you can die, you get a lot of
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  Speaker 2: that whatever. Again, I really miss those drugs that cause
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  Speaker 2: oily stools. Whatever happened to us.
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  Speaker 3: Eleestra. Yeah, I just remember I still remember you saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, people, when we talked about Olestra, you said,
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  Speaker 3: only the only people that would take that are some
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  Speaker 3: of you hates their dry cleaner. And that still makes
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  Speaker 3: me laugh. I don't know why today.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about this before, and that is anti bacterial
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  Speaker 2: versus regular soap, and that seems to be a big thing,
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  Speaker 2: and anti bacterial, you know, that's not such a good
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  Speaker 2: idea for the manufacturers to do this.
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  Speaker 3: Is it now? Yeah, antibacterial soap has been shown to
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  Speaker 3: increase antibiotic resistance. So the FDA took trickle sand out
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  Speaker 3: of out of over the counter you know, soaps for
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  Speaker 3: quite a while now, but they've been replaced with other
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  Speaker 3: antibacterial ingredients or antimicrobial ingredients like benzalconium and quatinary amines.
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  Speaker 3: But the bottom line is, it's always been known that
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  Speaker 3: soap and water that's the best way to do it.
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  Speaker 3: You're not trying to kill every single bacteria. The goal
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  Speaker 3: isn't death to all bacteria. The goal is to get
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  Speaker 3: it off your hands. And soap is a surfactant. It
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  Speaker 3: allows you between the friction of washing your hands long
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  Speaker 3: enough which should be long enough to sing Happy Birthday,
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  Speaker 3: and then rinsing it off and then drying your hands.
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  Speaker 3: That whole process is equally as effective or better. In
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  Speaker 3: some cases, it's better because we know for neurovirus, for example,
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  Speaker 3: or an infection called sea diff that these these different
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  Speaker 3: chemicals don't kill them necessarily, and so getting them off
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  Speaker 3: your hands is even more important. And one more thing
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  Speaker 3: people confuse hand washing with the other aspects of cleanliness,
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  Speaker 3: which is in the hospital we have disinfection or high
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  Speaker 3: level disinfectant, and then we have sterilization. You're not going
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  Speaker 3: to sterilize things at home. That's just not the way
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  Speaker 3: it goes, so don't try to with these chemicals. Disinfection
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  Speaker 3: is when you're trying you have an inanimate surface and
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  Speaker 3: bacteria can sit there. So you've cut up raw chicken
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  Speaker 3: or raw beef on your countertop and you need to
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  Speaker 3: clean it. That's disinfection and that's when you should probably use,
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  Speaker 3: you know, bleach or some other ingredient that would kill bacteria.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So the bottom line on this, and again we've talked
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: about this for want to repeat it is all of
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: these anti bacterial ingredients in soap and diyshop and hand soap,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: et cetera. They actually do increase the resistance where you
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: have antibiotics that just aren't working the way they used to.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah. I mean one out of six common
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: bacterial infections are now resistant to standard antibiotics, and they're
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: causing about a million deaths a year. So this is
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: a real thing, and we know that these antibacterial soaps
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: are contributing to that definitely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And now there's still a few super duper strong antibiotics
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that are kept involved to deal with this stuff.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Aren't there exactly? Yeah, there are, But that's exactly why
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: nobody wants to develop them. Right. You developed this blockbuster
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: drug that kills all known bacteria, and what are we
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: going to do with it. We're going to lock it
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: in a vault and never use it, So the company
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: is going to have hard to be making any money
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: off of that. So nobody wants to develop new antibiotics.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: It's just a recipe for, you know, for financial failure. Yeah.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I think you've just made the argument why governments should
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: be involved in getting getting involved in creating drugs much
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: like they did polio drugs, you know, the polio vaccine.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: A lot of governmental intervention with that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Well, the kind of coordination between government and university. So
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: now we have education happening, we have real research happening.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: And the goal isn't always to make a blockbuster drug,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: you know, the goal is to forward science and then
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: that actually happens.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: All right, Jim, thank you, as always, we'll talk again
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: next Wednesday. All right, I have a good one. All right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Usually I say at this point, you know, go kill people,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: but he's no longer killing people or you know, he's
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: now you know, doing administrative work. All right, We're done.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 22:40
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• 22:44
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• 22:47
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• 22:49
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• 22:53
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• 22:56
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• 23:00
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